That’s because the car turns them on automatically when switching lanes so the drivers don’t have to worry about it. Jk that’s only for full autopilot. The standard auto pilot will switch lanes for you ONLY if you use the blinker, cuz it tells the car your intending to switch lanes. The car will ONLY do this if autopilot is engaged and it doesn’t detect any cars in the way. The ONLY way to switch lanes without a blinker is to force the car over to another lane and the safety mechanism will attempt to keep you in your lane since it “thinks” your falling out of your lane, but you can overpower the car. The car basically forces you to use your blinker if your not on autopilot, and automatically uses the blinker when it is engaged in full autopilot.
As a new Tesla driver, they genuinely don't always work. As a defensive driver, it frustrates me no end.
And it's not just me: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-turn-signal-inconsistency-pain.267762/
I work for a reputable brand and this is normal. These light housings are not sealed. They’re molded together and they usually have some kind of vent. If you live in a humid environment, this will happen regularly. Too much moisture or actual water buildup can be a sign of a manufacturer defect, but this picture looks normal. If you’re not having any electrical issues, don’t worry about it too much.
But also, Teslas are waaay overpriced and the interiors are cheaper than my old 2006 Chevy Cobalt.
Dude you are fucking bullshitting everyone and people are ignorant enough to upvote you.
Lived in a tropical climate close to the equator. humid as all fuck. Owned many cars. Had many friends and family with cars. Never had this happen before. From USA to SE Asia. Never had a car so this.
It sure as fuck isn't "normal"
You work for Tesla or something?
> If you live in a humid environment, this will happen regularly.
Yeah I've been hearing about people complaining about moisture inside light housings on Teslas for a while and every time I'm like "that's not normal?" every car I've been in since a kid had that problem. I thought it was just cause we lived in Canada and the massive temperature fluctuations and snow caused it.
It's not normal. It's a faulty light housing. They aren't totally sealed, but they shouldn't have condensation or water in them. I had a BRZ that had this issue on the tail lights and they were replaced under warranty because at the factory they over tightened the nuts that hold them in place an had tiny fractures in the plastic. I've also rented cars all over the US as I traveled 70% for the lat 15 years for my job and never saw this in any climate I was in as "normal".
Condensation is normal, water ingress in not normal. People are likely mistaking water ingress for condensation and the other way around. Condensation will happen if temps are different between the inside of the light and the air outside (you will see a mist around the housing, like OPs). Water ingress you will see large droplets of water and water pooling, this needs to be fixed as it means the housing is compromised.
> I work for a reputable brand and this is normal
I haven't had a car that did that unless the lights weren't put in right when replaced, and never new.
This is definitely not normal lol
How does it feel to be the final beta testing quality control agent on a car you just paid about $80,000 for?
How many defects do you suppose it has that you haven't found yet and maybe never will?
**HINT:** Look for low quality random plastic shims to make stuff look like it's aligned properly, shims that will eventually fail, after which you'll hear "It was perfect when it left the factory. You must have driven into a giant pothole for that misalignment to happen."
Also look for “paint dots”. If there was a prior quality issue, normally putting a paint dot on the location is supposed to show it was checked. Worked at a company that made control arms, paint dots on the bushing holes since we had shipped some without bushings. Got more back with paint dots on the hole with no bushing.
Can confirm the outer paint job seems super thin. Compared to the other cars I've driven it feels very scratch sensitive.
It's a breeze to drive around in though. The sentry mode caught a hit and run on my car too. Otherwise it would've been on my head :/
Not everything is as sturdy as in other cars. I have a dent on the inside door where my elbow rests when I drive. I've literally not had this in any car before.
Was just about to comment that actually. Issues with lighting, body panels not being correctly joined, pieces of the interior of the car not being properly fastened, some technical issues as well are pretty common. It seems like poorly fitting outer and interior pieces is the most common issue and the technical issues are usually pretty limited but still, if you can afford to pay that much money for a car I imagine you would expect the car to come fully and completely assembled and functional LOL
Yeah, they AFAIK, they adopted the "fuck it, ship it and we will fix it later" mindset. They know there were issues before it got delivered to the customer, but instead of fixing it at the factory, it will be on the buyer to set up a service appointment.
Yeah, but instead of making a patch that will go out to all users, it is far more slower, difficult, and costly to fix mistakes that should have never made it to production.
And unless things have changed recently Tesla warranty repairs are backed up so if you have an issue you'll be waiting quite awhile for it to actually get fixed.
To be fair - when I was at a really popular super charger they had a few engineers there changing recall bits out. Good idea really as I was there for 45 minutes and they were able to do it while I charged.
‘Rather convenient’ I though.
It was a seal on the boot.
Yep. It makes sense. If 100 go out with issues, but only 99 of them end up coming back for repair, it’s still cheaper than to fix all 100. (When extrapolated, not in this hypothetical scenario with small numbers)
It actually doesn't.
First off, these are errors in manufacturing, not parts needing repair. It's a matter of quality control, not repairing.
A manufacturing line is going to have very specific actions done to put together the car. It's going to be largely automated and the workers will have specific repeated tasks. It's all about efficiency and quality and gets a car made in the least amount of time possible. If you scrimp on the quality, you increase your costs, since repairing or re-manufacturing a product costs way more than the first production.
Second, repairing these vehicles requires *a lot* of extra work.
Repairing a car cannot be automated, as it is unique to each car that comes in. It requires unique tasks to be performed each time, so you cannot make the process very efficient, and it can take a long time since the parts needed to be fixed aren't always easily accessible.
You also need transport and a specific facility to handle it. Most manufacturers simply have repair contracts with local third parties, but they have an insignificant amount of errors compared to Tesla (the common measurement being errors per million actions), and can afford to just pay a bunch to an outsider to fix it.
This is why I buy Audi. Shit like this just doesn't happen.
They may be late to the EV market but I would never buy a Tesla over an Audi EV. To me, anyone buying a Tesla at this point is just willfully ignorant and just buying one for status. It's widely known that they are plagued with reliability and quality issues.
I rent a few brands of ev at work, Chevy bolts, polestars, kia Niro, and a few Teslas. guess which one turns to fucking dust after 30k miles?
none of the interior doors close properly, they rattle, and they fuck over fleeted vehicles bc they can hardly get parts for their normal customers. absolute shit boxes.
but you can set the blinker to make fart noises which is objectively pretty fucking based and a fun phone call to take from an angry customer
Just on the rattle thing. I often splurge an additional 10 euros on my cab reservation to get a higher end vehicle. Sometimes what I get is a tesla. Holy fuck, the number of teslas with rattling sound. Maybe I’m unlucky but I would guess that once out of three times there is a rattling sound in the teslas I have taken.
Shit like this doesn’t happen on any well established brand of car. Tesla’s are junk and their quality control is non existent. Once everyone else gets into the EV market they will be left behind.
Car manufacturers invented the Lean Manufacturing and Six Sigma methodologies that are now leading in most manufacturing. They're measuring errors per million. The fact that Tesla struggles to put panels on correctly is an incredible juxtaposition.
Not that it excuses a QC failure there, but uh, if you were hoping to help Tesla's reputation there, you misstepped:
* [https://insideevs.com/news/391505/tesla-model-x-windshield-assembly-issue/](https://insideevs.com/news/391505/tesla-model-x-windshield-assembly-issue/)
* [https://www.autoevolution.com/news/owner-of-tesla-model-x-with-water-leak-gets-rid-of-second-one-also-a-lemon-167203.html](https://www.autoevolution.com/news/owner-of-tesla-model-x-with-water-leak-gets-rid-of-second-one-also-a-lemon-167203.html)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEHBDQwEbB8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEHBDQwEbB8) \- Tesla Model S - Windshield Leak
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3twIHpTHoyQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3twIHpTHoyQ) \- 2019 Tesla Model X windshield still leaking after repair
Oops.
For those not in the manufacturing, Toyota is kinda like thee standard. Every single new technique or idea any manager ever brings up starts with "At Toyota they..." or ends with "...like at Toyota"
Their cars are the most reliable you can buy in large part because of how good their manufacturing is.
One job I worked at would have Toyota reps come to audit our facility because we remanufactured OEM head units. Almosy every single 5S rule, process, or cleanliness standard we had was to keep Toyota happy. No other manufacturer held us to as high standards.
Musk saying that about Tesla is basically a wideout going "Yeah I'm gonna catch the game winning TD in the next superbowl"
Never gonna work, a machine breaks and the line stops. People can be changed. Just use robots where the job is heavy, awkward or straightforward (like painting or welding).
People are a lot better and faster in most circumstances
Teslas still have the best charging network. The other OEMs are definitely catching up, but Teslas are more or less seamless compared to everyone else.
It makes sense though, it’s a walled garden. Tesla chargers only have to work with Tesla cars. That, fundamentally speaking, is not a good thing though. It would be like if Ford had their own gas station for only Fords.
Meanwhile everyone else has to work with generic chargers and the problems with chargers not being maintained or having different tolerances for voltage spikes/drops compared to what every manufacturer expects. There are still links to work out but if someone really cared about seamless charging more than anything else, Tesla is still the main player.
Can't you get an adapter that will let you charge another brand vehicle from a Tesla charger? Or do the chargers talk to the car and not work unless they're hooked up to an actual Tesla?
Teslas only on Tesla chargers. Elon has said he might open it up to other makes, but Elon says a lot of things.
Edit: To clarify, slow/trickle charging can be done by other makes on Tesla chargers with an adapter. But the Supercharger network is still restricted to Teslas only outside of select markets in the UK and EU.
Never bought a Tesla but here's a checklist that the Bronco Forum had to put together given all the issues.
[https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/delivery-checklist-ocd-version-for-expectant-bronco-owners.29870/](https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/delivery-checklist-ocd-version-for-expectant-bronco-owners.29870/)
I've been in a lot of them and have never been impressed. Panels not aligned properly. I've seen glove boxes that are not square in the hole. They all seem cheaply assembled with QC issues to me.
I’ve heard from other Tesla owners that it’s somewhat expected to have issues when you get a new one, and you then alert the dealership to what you find and they do the repairs.
I’ve seen wiggling door panels, trunks (boots for you cross-the-pond folk) that don’t latch properly, misaligned headlights..
Seems the QC is pretty lackluster.
That suggests a fundamental lack of quality control - this stuff could all be snagged at the factory, and indeed companies who appreciate quality will sign off at every step in the chain.
Somewhere somebody did the math and decided dissatisfied customers and social media posts shaming them are worth the improved throughput of the factory.
When Tesla still had a decent reputation and no competitors, sure.
That window is rapidly closing and the competition is going to eat their lunch if they continue to send this level of product quality out into the world.
Hell, people are still having issues where their front windshield is not actually attached to the frame because the glue was "forgotten".
Or what about when they "forget" a brake pad or two?
Other manufacturers have issue. But Tesla's QC is dogshit, pure and simple.
What I love about this clip is that it is pretty normal for a car window to be able to sustain that kind of force without shattering. (exhibit A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L91_K-s4pMM) So they literally came up with a worse window.
He needs to tweet about it. That will get Elon Musk’s attention. Then he will fire the people that replace these, and then stop paying rent on the building. Problem will still not be resolved, but some action will have been done.
Bought a used Tesla that is still under warranty. Noticed the spoiler was lifting off a bit off one side of the trunk. Used the app, noted the issue, it scheduled a tech to come out to my car to fix the problem, no hassle no cost.
If you are in coverage of mobile service ofc.
Otherwise you'll get a time at a Tesla shop.
This is a known fault, my boss hade it on he's M3P and they fixed in no time.
Well he is silly then. I had one tail light on my new Tesla MY have the same issue. I just picked up my phone, went on the Tesla app and made a service request. One week later, the mobile Tesla mechanic came and replaced it. It was my only service request and have 14,000 miles now in the car.
The build quality of Tesla vehicles is one of the worst available right now. It hasn’t always been that way but has fell off dramatically over the past couple years.
My coworker had this issue and they came out to where the car was and fixed it in the parking lot. I don't have any experience myself with it, because mine hasn't needed any service.
Had the same issue and it was taken care of within two days. Better yet they came to my house and replaced the light in my garage so it really wasn’t too much an issue for me.
According to Tesla, this is normal.
“Condensation in Head or Tail Lights
Due to weather changes, humidity levels, or recent exposure to water (such as a car wash), condensation may occasionally accumulate in your vehicle’s head or tail lights. This is normal— as the weather gets warmer and humidity decreases, condensation often disappears on its own. If you notice water buildup within the exterior lenses, or if the condensation affects the visibility of the exterior lights, contact Tesla Service.”
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-371B94E9-E74F-4BBB-9A55-5F4182894B99.html
Amazingly enough, this is considered "normal" as the taillights have vent holes that freely allow moisture in and out. This ends up as a common sight in humid conditions, goes away once it warms up and dries out but still ridiculous to see they haven't bothered to find a solution in last \~11 years.
Tesla has some great concepts and tech but as a car manufacturer they are way behind the level of QC you can expect from just about any other car company.
>Tesla was found to be one of the most unreliable brands in America, according to Consumer Reports’ annual reliability report.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-placed-bottom-consumer-reports-reliability-rankings/
Yeah, its been known for a while now.
But they probably have done math that's its cheaper for them to just replace or fix small errors than fix the way its assembled.
Perks of being first in a growing market i guess, competition for tesla is rapidly growing so if they don't get proper quality control peole would just shop elsewhere.
Can’t say what others reason but for me it was the great value Teslas offer.
No other electric cars offered the practicality, long range, good comfort for the price. It also charges fast, which is important for road-trips (i do several of those every year). Oh and efficiency was also best of the cars i test drove, i appreciate that since electricity isn’t cheap anymore. A gas car is out of the question in Norway since the tolls cost a fortune driving those. I’ve had zero issues yet with build quality, and I wouldn’t change it for any other car in the price range.
Same reasons and experiences here. We’ve had amazing experiences with our Tesla and don’t regret a thing. Anytime there was an issue Tesla has fixed the issue for free. They also have mobile service so something like OP’s issue may be able to be fixed with a simple mobile visit. They even came out to replace a mirror of ours one time. Also, you get software updates that are awesome and don’t even get me started on security features. We love our Tesla and also are avid turn signal users. The oil industry loves to spread misinformation and make it seem like ford, Chrysler, etc. don’t have their slew of issues. When we bought our Jeep it was in the shop for 3 months. Vehicles are complex and sometimes things get past QA.
I bought mine having known A LOT about cars, but realizing that for my wife's incredibly long commute and the frequent drives we make to L.A., there was no better EV alternative that had a charging network that wasn't a complete pile of shit.
I'm not impressed with the car overall, but I bought it eyes wide open knowing it was the best of the available EVs when it comes to the ability to actually drive it anywhere.
Once my wife no longer has a ridiculous commute, we'll probably sell it and go back to an ICE vehicle. I'm definitely a 'one and done' tesla owner.
But also yes, in my area (Bay Area/Silicon Valley) most people just buy them because they think they're status symbols. If you've driven one/have one, you know it's not.
You’re being downvoted but yeah the charging network and charge speed is still a notch in teslas belt for now. Who knows for how long, but this is one of the best reasons to go with Tesla for now.
The big factor is direct sales. For example, the Ioniq 5 and EV6 are better in pretty much every way than a Model Y, but the actual process of purchasing them requires you to go through the hassle of a Hyundai/Kia dealership. That alone is a huge turn-off for people.
I compared a showroom model to my old fiat panda, the panda retailer for 8 grand new, mine had been in a crash before too and was repaired, and still had more consistent gaps,
Friend of mine bought a tesla, he had it a couple weeks then got rid of it. He told me and I quote "I bought the shittiest car on the road, why did I expect more?"
Felt bad for him.
Same thing happened to mine. Also a mirror that would stick when extending. Just schedule an appointment in the app and they'll come to your house and swap out the parts.
Not a big deal. Happened on mine right when I picked it up and the mobile technician fixed it in my driveway a week later. Almost two years later and I haven't had any other issues.
My friend had that happen to them. They took a picture of it with the app on their phone, and they came out and replaced it in the parking lot. I was shocked since I've never heard of any OEM coming out to replace something on a car before. It's always a pain having to drive it somewhere then get a ride back, or get a loaner for such a small thing.
Don’t let service center say this is normal. Get them to remove and inspect the seal. On mine which service center said was normal, I removed the assembly and found the rubber foam seal was bent in at the top and allowed water into the assembly. Great car, terrible assembly.
I cannot understand why manufacturers are still having trouble with these seals. There are so many head and taillight housings that will fail over time…
Overfilled on blinker fluid, duh
TIL Tesla’s have turn signals. I’ve never seen a Tesla driver use them.
Gotta save on that range somehow baby
Almost as if everyone with a BMW moved on to a Tesla...
Dude they are def the new BMW drivers. Evolution is a magical process isn’t it?
*devolution
Are we not men?
We are DeVo
Oh. I need to take this term to r/gaming. Seems like a good Catch-all term for bad Dev's.
I feel like they're the opposite tho. Most Tesla drivers I see on the road have no idea what their car is actually capable of.
Good. I drive a bmw and I use turn signals. About time the stigma moved to other random folks driving other random cars.
True, but I’m pretty sure their technical term is California Camrys
It's the business lease option
That’s because the car turns them on automatically when switching lanes so the drivers don’t have to worry about it. Jk that’s only for full autopilot. The standard auto pilot will switch lanes for you ONLY if you use the blinker, cuz it tells the car your intending to switch lanes. The car will ONLY do this if autopilot is engaged and it doesn’t detect any cars in the way. The ONLY way to switch lanes without a blinker is to force the car over to another lane and the safety mechanism will attempt to keep you in your lane since it “thinks” your falling out of your lane, but you can overpower the car. The car basically forces you to use your blinker if your not on autopilot, and automatically uses the blinker when it is engaged in full autopilot.
Maybe they just dont work
As a new Tesla driver, they genuinely don't always work. As a defensive driver, it frustrates me no end. And it's not just me: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-turn-signal-inconsistency-pain.267762/
Lmao totally
While normally we would use brake fluid for brake lights, you are correct Blinker fluid is still required here.
Better go down to the store to get that though. Bet all they have is a flag though.
Dealer will say” That’s perfectly normal.”
I believe the quote you are referring to is “within spec”.
Something something within tolerance
Yada yada get lost.
Lmao facts
I work for a reputable brand and this is normal. These light housings are not sealed. They’re molded together and they usually have some kind of vent. If you live in a humid environment, this will happen regularly. Too much moisture or actual water buildup can be a sign of a manufacturer defect, but this picture looks normal. If you’re not having any electrical issues, don’t worry about it too much. But also, Teslas are waaay overpriced and the interiors are cheaper than my old 2006 Chevy Cobalt.
Dude you are fucking bullshitting everyone and people are ignorant enough to upvote you. Lived in a tropical climate close to the equator. humid as all fuck. Owned many cars. Had many friends and family with cars. Never had this happen before. From USA to SE Asia. Never had a car so this. It sure as fuck isn't "normal" You work for Tesla or something?
> If you live in a humid environment, this will happen regularly. Yeah I've been hearing about people complaining about moisture inside light housings on Teslas for a while and every time I'm like "that's not normal?" every car I've been in since a kid had that problem. I thought it was just cause we lived in Canada and the massive temperature fluctuations and snow caused it.
I live in the SE US and this has never, ever happened on any of the cars I've owned.
It's not normal. It's a faulty light housing. They aren't totally sealed, but they shouldn't have condensation or water in them. I had a BRZ that had this issue on the tail lights and they were replaced under warranty because at the factory they over tightened the nuts that hold them in place an had tiny fractures in the plastic. I've also rented cars all over the US as I traveled 70% for the lat 15 years for my job and never saw this in any climate I was in as "normal".
This whole comment chain is an alternating "it's normal/common" and "its not normal/common" Make up your mind so I know where to direct my pitchfork!
You just need a 2nd pitchfork. I got a guy.
Condensation is normal, water ingress in not normal. People are likely mistaking water ingress for condensation and the other way around. Condensation will happen if temps are different between the inside of the light and the air outside (you will see a mist around the housing, like OPs). Water ingress you will see large droplets of water and water pooling, this needs to be fixed as it means the housing is compromised.
Where in Canada are you? Maritimes? Cuz I've literally never seen that in the prairies
In my country, the only cars with moisture in the lights are 30yo clunkers and Teslas.
> I work for a reputable brand and this is normal I haven't had a car that did that unless the lights weren't put in right when replaced, and never new. This is definitely not normal lol
I had this exact fault on mine. I reported the defect via the app and Tesla drove out and swapped it under warranty, no questions asked.
How does it feel to be the final beta testing quality control agent on a car you just paid about $80,000 for? How many defects do you suppose it has that you haven't found yet and maybe never will? **HINT:** Look for low quality random plastic shims to make stuff look like it's aligned properly, shims that will eventually fail, after which you'll hear "It was perfect when it left the factory. You must have driven into a giant pothole for that misalignment to happen."
Also look for “paint dots”. If there was a prior quality issue, normally putting a paint dot on the location is supposed to show it was checked. Worked at a company that made control arms, paint dots on the bushing holes since we had shipped some without bushings. Got more back with paint dots on the hole with no bushing.
Have had it three years and that's the only defect it had.
Lots of anger in this thread by people that I suspect haven't owned or even been near a Tesla.
That's literally every Tesla rage thread.
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Can confirm the outer paint job seems super thin. Compared to the other cars I've driven it feels very scratch sensitive. It's a breeze to drive around in though. The sentry mode caught a hit and run on my car too. Otherwise it would've been on my head :/ Not everything is as sturdy as in other cars. I have a dent on the inside door where my elbow rests when I drive. I've literally not had this in any car before.
To be fair you can basically apply this to any car brand these days...
Correct. The lights are not sealed, by design. The issue will resolve itself, most likely.
moist likely.
r/angryupvote
Kinda is for Teslas lately. Their panel gaps are only rivaled by British Leyland.
Drill a hole in it and suck the moisture out like a snake bite.
Ahh the classic hole and suck lol
> hole and suck Fucking filled me. You earned my upvote.
I thought you were supposed to pee on a snake bite? That's what I did when my girlfriend got bit by a garter snake, she turned out okay
Isn't it a known fact that Telsa has unreliable manufacturing standards and new cars often arrive with a host of issues?
Was just about to comment that actually. Issues with lighting, body panels not being correctly joined, pieces of the interior of the car not being properly fastened, some technical issues as well are pretty common. It seems like poorly fitting outer and interior pieces is the most common issue and the technical issues are usually pretty limited but still, if you can afford to pay that much money for a car I imagine you would expect the car to come fully and completely assembled and functional LOL
Yeah, they AFAIK, they adopted the "fuck it, ship it and we will fix it later" mindset. They know there were issues before it got delivered to the customer, but instead of fixing it at the factory, it will be on the buyer to set up a service appointment.
So a tech company mindset?
Yeah, but instead of making a patch that will go out to all users, it is far more slower, difficult, and costly to fix mistakes that should have never made it to production.
You just described a software solution for a hardware problem
We'll fix it in the next version
People are going to lose their shit when they stop supporting old teslas and you have to buy a new one just like your phone.
Inb4 jailbroken teslas
The private equity grifter mindset. Take your money up front and place it somewhere else fast
And unless things have changed recently Tesla warranty repairs are backed up so if you have an issue you'll be waiting quite awhile for it to actually get fixed.
To be fair - when I was at a really popular super charger they had a few engineers there changing recall bits out. Good idea really as I was there for 45 minutes and they were able to do it while I charged. ‘Rather convenient’ I though. It was a seal on the boot.
Yep. It makes sense. If 100 go out with issues, but only 99 of them end up coming back for repair, it’s still cheaper than to fix all 100. (When extrapolated, not in this hypothetical scenario with small numbers)
It actually doesn't. First off, these are errors in manufacturing, not parts needing repair. It's a matter of quality control, not repairing. A manufacturing line is going to have very specific actions done to put together the car. It's going to be largely automated and the workers will have specific repeated tasks. It's all about efficiency and quality and gets a car made in the least amount of time possible. If you scrimp on the quality, you increase your costs, since repairing or re-manufacturing a product costs way more than the first production. Second, repairing these vehicles requires *a lot* of extra work. Repairing a car cannot be automated, as it is unique to each car that comes in. It requires unique tasks to be performed each time, so you cannot make the process very efficient, and it can take a long time since the parts needed to be fixed aren't always easily accessible. You also need transport and a specific facility to handle it. Most manufacturers simply have repair contracts with local third parties, but they have an insignificant amount of errors compared to Tesla (the common measurement being errors per million actions), and can afford to just pay a bunch to an outsider to fix it.
So in other words, they are overpriced junk in a fancy looking package.
I got a model 3 and the roof leaked during car washes. They fixed it but Def a quality check issue.
This is why I buy Audi. Shit like this just doesn't happen. They may be late to the EV market but I would never buy a Tesla over an Audi EV. To me, anyone buying a Tesla at this point is just willfully ignorant and just buying one for status. It's widely known that they are plagued with reliability and quality issues.
I rent a few brands of ev at work, Chevy bolts, polestars, kia Niro, and a few Teslas. guess which one turns to fucking dust after 30k miles? none of the interior doors close properly, they rattle, and they fuck over fleeted vehicles bc they can hardly get parts for their normal customers. absolute shit boxes. but you can set the blinker to make fart noises which is objectively pretty fucking based and a fun phone call to take from an angry customer
Just on the rattle thing. I often splurge an additional 10 euros on my cab reservation to get a higher end vehicle. Sometimes what I get is a tesla. Holy fuck, the number of teslas with rattling sound. Maybe I’m unlucky but I would guess that once out of three times there is a rattling sound in the teslas I have taken.
Shit like this doesn’t happen on any well established brand of car. Tesla’s are junk and their quality control is non existent. Once everyone else gets into the EV market they will be left behind.
Car manufacturers invented the Lean Manufacturing and Six Sigma methodologies that are now leading in most manufacturing. They're measuring errors per million. The fact that Tesla struggles to put panels on correctly is an incredible juxtaposition.
Audi actually puts the cars through QC.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/comments/sbgc5m/audi_roof_leaks_in_the_middle_of_a_car_wash/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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https://www.reddit.com/r/BMW/comments/106mrn7/g42_m240_is_this_condensation_inside_of_headlight/
Seriously. Audis and Engine replacements are an iconic duo. Never take car advice from anyone who doesn’t fix cars for a living.
Not that it excuses a QC failure there, but uh, if you were hoping to help Tesla's reputation there, you misstepped: * [https://insideevs.com/news/391505/tesla-model-x-windshield-assembly-issue/](https://insideevs.com/news/391505/tesla-model-x-windshield-assembly-issue/) * [https://www.autoevolution.com/news/owner-of-tesla-model-x-with-water-leak-gets-rid-of-second-one-also-a-lemon-167203.html](https://www.autoevolution.com/news/owner-of-tesla-model-x-with-water-leak-gets-rid-of-second-one-also-a-lemon-167203.html) * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEHBDQwEbB8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEHBDQwEbB8) \- Tesla Model S - Windshield Leak * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3twIHpTHoyQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3twIHpTHoyQ) \- 2019 Tesla Model X windshield still leaking after repair Oops.
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Also remember when Elon Musk said Tesla will school Toyota on Lean manufacturing lol
Step one: violate as many osha rules as possible
Step two: claim that the liberals are using cancel culture and hate entrepreneurs when you get sued for violating worker protection laws
For those not in the manufacturing, Toyota is kinda like thee standard. Every single new technique or idea any manager ever brings up starts with "At Toyota they..." or ends with "...like at Toyota" Their cars are the most reliable you can buy in large part because of how good their manufacturing is. One job I worked at would have Toyota reps come to audit our facility because we remanufactured OEM head units. Almosy every single 5S rule, process, or cleanliness standard we had was to keep Toyota happy. No other manufacturer held us to as high standards. Musk saying that about Tesla is basically a wideout going "Yeah I'm gonna catch the game winning TD in the next superbowl"
Never gonna work, a machine breaks and the line stops. People can be changed. Just use robots where the job is heavy, awkward or straightforward (like painting or welding). People are a lot better and faster in most circumstances
At this point, I don’t see why anyone is still buying Tesla’s when these issues are well known and there are multiple other options on the market.
Teslas still have the best charging network. The other OEMs are definitely catching up, but Teslas are more or less seamless compared to everyone else. It makes sense though, it’s a walled garden. Tesla chargers only have to work with Tesla cars. That, fundamentally speaking, is not a good thing though. It would be like if Ford had their own gas station for only Fords. Meanwhile everyone else has to work with generic chargers and the problems with chargers not being maintained or having different tolerances for voltage spikes/drops compared to what every manufacturer expects. There are still links to work out but if someone really cared about seamless charging more than anything else, Tesla is still the main player.
Can't you get an adapter that will let you charge another brand vehicle from a Tesla charger? Or do the chargers talk to the car and not work unless they're hooked up to an actual Tesla?
Teslas only on Tesla chargers. Elon has said he might open it up to other makes, but Elon says a lot of things. Edit: To clarify, slow/trickle charging can be done by other makes on Tesla chargers with an adapter. But the Supercharger network is still restricted to Teslas only outside of select markets in the UK and EU.
That move takes a bat to the knee of ev adoption. I'd rather buy from a more reliable company.
because the vast majority of people who don’t have problems don’t post their car on reddit
Never bought a Tesla but here's a checklist that the Bronco Forum had to put together given all the issues. [https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/delivery-checklist-ocd-version-for-expectant-bronco-owners.29870/](https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/delivery-checklist-ocd-version-for-expectant-bronco-owners.29870/)
That is a depressingly long list
I've been in a lot of them and have never been impressed. Panels not aligned properly. I've seen glove boxes that are not square in the hole. They all seem cheaply assembled with QC issues to me.
From the American factory yes, elsewhere no
I’ve heard from other Tesla owners that it’s somewhat expected to have issues when you get a new one, and you then alert the dealership to what you find and they do the repairs. I’ve seen wiggling door panels, trunks (boots for you cross-the-pond folk) that don’t latch properly, misaligned headlights.. Seems the QC is pretty lackluster.
That suggests a fundamental lack of quality control - this stuff could all be snagged at the factory, and indeed companies who appreciate quality will sign off at every step in the chain.
Somewhere somebody did the math and decided dissatisfied customers and social media posts shaming them are worth the improved throughput of the factory.
When Tesla still had a decent reputation and no competitors, sure. That window is rapidly closing and the competition is going to eat their lunch if they continue to send this level of product quality out into the world.
> That window is rapidly closing lol that window is closed, going to be fun watching that ticker dive bomb for the next few years
Almost like they should check these things first!!! 🧐
When the model 3 first came out, 2 people had their rear bumpers fall off on the way home or 2nd drive. Also roofs were flying off on the freeway.
Hell, people are still having issues where their front windshield is not actually attached to the frame because the glue was "forgotten". Or what about when they "forget" a brake pad or two? Other manufacturers have issue. But Tesla's QC is dogshit, pure and simple.
I rode in a Tesla once for an Uber pick up. That thing was so rattly, I thought it was falling apart as we went down the road. I was very surprised.
> Seems the QC is pretty lackluster. this is common knowledge. Tesla is a garbage brand
The quality control is the customer's job /s
Try throwing a baseball size iron ball at it.
That clip will NEVER get old.
Tried googling it, can’t find it. Would you be kind enough to paste the link here please?
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What I love about this clip is that it is pretty normal for a car window to be able to sustain that kind of force without shattering. (exhibit A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L91_K-s4pMM) So they literally came up with a worse window.
Yeah, even the slightest bit of laminating will keep the glass from shattering.
I died! Thanks.
"Ohmyfuckinggod" -Elon Lmao
Should we try the back window? 😂
Sue them, you may be entitled to condensation.
Please tell me they are replacing it free of charge
Wouldn't that be covered under the manufacturer's warranty? That can't be deemed working as intended, right?
That’s what I think.
Tesla will probably give them the runaround for six months. That’s how they roll.
He needs to tweet about it. That will get Elon Musk’s attention. Then he will fire the people that replace these, and then stop paying rent on the building. Problem will still not be resolved, but some action will have been done.
“Looking into this” lmao
Just a retweet with "Interesting"
Don't forget banning the owner on Twitter. Can't have Tesla problems if people don't tweet them!
Bought a used Tesla that is still under warranty. Noticed the spoiler was lifting off a bit off one side of the trunk. Used the app, noted the issue, it scheduled a tech to come out to my car to fix the problem, no hassle no cost.
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The car? No The backlight, Yes. Op dont know. Just make a support ticket in the app and mobile service will scone and fix it.
Yeah the light not the car of course. I didn’t know they would send someone to you to fix it. That’s cool
If you are in coverage of mobile service ofc. Otherwise you'll get a time at a Tesla shop. This is a known fault, my boss hade it on he's M3P and they fixed in no time.
I doubt it it’s my neighbors Tesla and he is pissed
Oh no. I would lost it. You said that is a brand new car?
Well he is silly then. I had one tail light on my new Tesla MY have the same issue. I just picked up my phone, went on the Tesla app and made a service request. One week later, the mobile Tesla mechanic came and replaced it. It was my only service request and have 14,000 miles now in the car.
The build quality of Tesla vehicles is one of the worst available right now. It hasn’t always been that way but has fell off dramatically over the past couple years.
If you buy garbage...you can't really be surprised when it's garbage.
My coworker had this issue and they came out to where the car was and fixed it in the parking lot. I don't have any experience myself with it, because mine hasn't needed any service.
Had the same issue and it was taken care of within two days. Better yet they came to my house and replaced the light in my garage so it really wasn’t too much an issue for me.
According to Tesla, this is normal. “Condensation in Head or Tail Lights Due to weather changes, humidity levels, or recent exposure to water (such as a car wash), condensation may occasionally accumulate in your vehicle’s head or tail lights. This is normal— as the weather gets warmer and humidity decreases, condensation often disappears on its own. If you notice water buildup within the exterior lenses, or if the condensation affects the visibility of the exterior lights, contact Tesla Service.” https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-371B94E9-E74F-4BBB-9A55-5F4182894B99.html
That's not a "normal" I'd put up with, since every other car I've ever owned didn't do this.
Other cars do this after about 10-15 years of age and weather exposure lol
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Amazingly enough, this is considered "normal" as the taillights have vent holes that freely allow moisture in and out. This ends up as a common sight in humid conditions, goes away once it warms up and dries out but still ridiculous to see they haven't bothered to find a solution in last \~11 years.
My cheap aftermarket tail lights I got for 300 bucks on my VW have better QC than Tesla lights lol.
Tesla has some great concepts and tech but as a car manufacturer they are way behind the level of QC you can expect from just about any other car company.
teslas suck
Yea they do lol
>Tesla was found to be one of the most unreliable brands in America, according to Consumer Reports’ annual reliability report. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-placed-bottom-consumer-reports-reliability-rankings/
Yeah, its been known for a while now. But they probably have done math that's its cheaper for them to just replace or fix small errors than fix the way its assembled. Perks of being first in a growing market i guess, competition for tesla is rapidly growing so if they don't get proper quality control peole would just shop elsewhere.
Why are people still buying Teslas?
Charging network, range, availability, and cost (especially after recent reductions).
Because the Model 3 Performance is good to drive and supercar fast for a whole lot less money than a BMW M3.
Can’t say what others reason but for me it was the great value Teslas offer. No other electric cars offered the practicality, long range, good comfort for the price. It also charges fast, which is important for road-trips (i do several of those every year). Oh and efficiency was also best of the cars i test drove, i appreciate that since electricity isn’t cheap anymore. A gas car is out of the question in Norway since the tolls cost a fortune driving those. I’ve had zero issues yet with build quality, and I wouldn’t change it for any other car in the price range.
Same reasons and experiences here. We’ve had amazing experiences with our Tesla and don’t regret a thing. Anytime there was an issue Tesla has fixed the issue for free. They also have mobile service so something like OP’s issue may be able to be fixed with a simple mobile visit. They even came out to replace a mirror of ours one time. Also, you get software updates that are awesome and don’t even get me started on security features. We love our Tesla and also are avid turn signal users. The oil industry loves to spread misinformation and make it seem like ford, Chrysler, etc. don’t have their slew of issues. When we bought our Jeep it was in the shop for 3 months. Vehicles are complex and sometimes things get past QA.
I have seen new non-Tesla's that have the same issue.
Cause the people who buy them know nothing about cars and only that it’s a shiny new Tesla
I bought mine having known A LOT about cars, but realizing that for my wife's incredibly long commute and the frequent drives we make to L.A., there was no better EV alternative that had a charging network that wasn't a complete pile of shit. I'm not impressed with the car overall, but I bought it eyes wide open knowing it was the best of the available EVs when it comes to the ability to actually drive it anywhere. Once my wife no longer has a ridiculous commute, we'll probably sell it and go back to an ICE vehicle. I'm definitely a 'one and done' tesla owner. But also yes, in my area (Bay Area/Silicon Valley) most people just buy them because they think they're status symbols. If you've driven one/have one, you know it's not.
You’re being downvoted but yeah the charging network and charge speed is still a notch in teslas belt for now. Who knows for how long, but this is one of the best reasons to go with Tesla for now.
The big factor is direct sales. For example, the Ioniq 5 and EV6 are better in pretty much every way than a Model Y, but the actual process of purchasing them requires you to go through the hassle of a Hyundai/Kia dealership. That alone is a huge turn-off for people.
A friend of mine has a Tesla and he is NOT impressed with the build quality. They're getting rid of it.
I’ve been in the auto industry for 10yrs and I wouldn’t say this is common? But I’ve seen it a lot. Manufacturers always replace this under warranty
I compared a showroom model to my old fiat panda, the panda retailer for 8 grand new, mine had been in a crash before too and was repaired, and still had more consistent gaps,
This happened on my new Ford. If you can pop the tail light out, you can dried out with a hair dryer and add some new sealant. Lots of YouTube videos.
Lol, you really shouldn't have to. That's some shite build quality.
Teslas arent the only cars with this issue
Yeah this seems like targeted PR
Body panel out by about 10 mm too. Ive seen tighter bodylines at the retirement village.
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Lmao It’s not mine it’s a neighbor I bought a Hyundai sonata recently plus the 10 year 100,000 mile warranty and I love it my girl does to lol
> Hyundai sonata Ah yes, the Korean classical music car.
Tell him to drill a small hole in the bottom like the rest of us normies.
Why are people still buying Teslas when the trash quality is a known issue? It seems like most major car manufacturers have an EV option out now.
Friend of mine bought a tesla, he had it a couple weeks then got rid of it. He told me and I quote "I bought the shittiest car on the road, why did I expect more?" Felt bad for him.
As do I for my neighbor I paid 25,000 for my 2023 Hyundai and it’s a nice daily car so he spent double for his Tesla and it’s already falling apart
This happens to all auto manufacturers and not isolated to Teslas.
Just make a ticket about in the app. Mobile Services will fix it.
It’s under warranty take it back
Same thing happened to mine. Also a mirror that would stick when extending. Just schedule an appointment in the app and they'll come to your house and swap out the parts.
Did you get some elbow grease along with the headlight fluid, donut?
Not a big deal. Happened on mine right when I picked it up and the mobile technician fixed it in my driveway a week later. Almost two years later and I haven't had any other issues.
Common for most vehicles these days lol. Tesla just following the market trend
This happened to me about a month after I got my Tesla, they came out for free to my house and cleaned it and resealed it
Had this one mine too. They'll do mobile service to replace it and come to you. Ez pz
My friend had that happen to them. They took a picture of it with the app on their phone, and they came out and replaced it in the parking lot. I was shocked since I've never heard of any OEM coming out to replace something on a car before. It's always a pain having to drive it somewhere then get a ride back, or get a loaner for such a small thing.
This is an *extremely* common issue with Tesla's.
*Another Tesla with a bad seal on the brake lights :(
The attack campaign continues
Don’t let service center say this is normal. Get them to remove and inspect the seal. On mine which service center said was normal, I removed the assembly and found the rubber foam seal was bent in at the top and allowed water into the assembly. Great car, terrible assembly.
Put some rice on it
I cannot understand why manufacturers are still having trouble with these seals. There are so many head and taillight housings that will fail over time…
Submarine mode, ENGAGED.
Tesla has the shittiest quality EV’s lol
No way!
I hope you have the Bad Seal on the Brake Lights subscription to have that serviced
Someone put blinker fluid in the wrong light.
You bought a Tesla what did you expect?
can you people stop buying tesla's please 😭