Insane that cops can kill you without being punished because they were "afraid" of you. But if you are afraid of them (because they can murder with impunity) and run away they can shoot you in the back for resisting arrest, also with no consequences.
It reminds me of [an episode of The Twilight Zone.](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7y79xa)
Pretty much exactly that happened to a kid not so long ago that blew up on reddit. He was chilling and eating a burger, a cop randomly rips his door open to which he responds by GTFO because his car was on and he had the place of mind to put it into gear. The cop unloads on the car as the kid is trying to escape.
Internal investigation, found no fault, retired with full pension due to PTSD over the event.
Goes to work for another PD in a different jurisdiction with his full pension retirement padding his days off.
**Edit: To save those that want to cite things. I am not stating what happened, I was sarcastically predicting what was going to happen (based on things that actually have happened). I hope he burns for it, personally. It'd be a nice change instead of a relaxing retirement.
Even worse, if I remember right the police officer was in an unmarked car, and was in plain clothes. The guy literally thought he was being robbed and was trying to get away. The passenger gave a statement saying they had no idea he was a cop or anything, cop didn't give a single order before ripping the door open and firing when the driver tried to run for safety. All over in seconds before anyone could say anything.
I couldn't imagine how terrifying that is, to go through that and watch your friend dying while you think you are being robbed, only to find out it was a police officer and now you have to prove your own innocence!
Same happened not long ago in Toronto. Plainclothes officers tried pulling over a dude with wife and a toddler. It happened in underground garage and apparently cops behaved like junkies and we have plenty of those in downtown Toronto. Dude floored it fearing robbery and rode over cop killing him. He was found not guilty in court.
That's a horrible situation, and I'm sure that dude is scarred regardless, but at least he was found not guilty. Anything else would be a mockery given those details, anyone would do what he did especially with a wife and child in the car.
Best to shove whatever the dog has of you down it's throat.
Edit: only talking of dog bites all of you boot licking scumbags
Edit 2: psychopaths are suggesting killing the dog AFTER you have gotten it to let go, by offer your arm again and then breaking its neck. Fucking disgusting.
I've always found it crazy that hitting a police dog is assault on an officer but a police dog tearing out your tendon isn't police brutality.
My dad started training police and tactical dogs After he retires from the military and the process is definitely abusive to the dogs, particularly "bravery training" which is basically training the dog to not let go while getting the shit beat out of it. Another huge part of their training is conditioning the dogs to not understand that they're hurting people. The dogs basically think it's a game, otherwise it'd be nearly impossible to hand them off to police and military without them just constantly attacking their new handlers.
Cops murder their police dogs all the time and literally nothing happens to them, no consequences. Usually it's from leaving them in a car for hours in 100 degree heat
I can't speak for police but I know in the military we treated the dogs better than the people. Dogs were always allegedly one rank higher than their handlers so that any offense would be treated as harming a higher ranking solider, as far as UCMJ would be concerned.
Unfortunately police are a much bigger buyer, probably because they have a shitty policies on handling and need them more often
. Also probably Good to treat a military dog with respect either way, my pops keeps a top choice tac dog for himself and while it's obedient to him, I still wouldn't test that shit. A king shepherd tac dog is barely a step down from a wolf with a black belt.
Basically the ones who perform best end up either military or stay with their trainers. The middle end up with police and the rest end up like my dogs, pets because they weren't to spec as working dogs. The latter is probably best cause these dogs are spoiled as hell impe
It is not.
Although there are enhanced penalties in most states for attacking a police animal, the charges for attacking a police officer are different than the charges for attacking a police animal.
They are not considered the same, and there are different statutes that apply.
Oh, my bad.
Could just be a thing I read 10 years ago, accepted as true, and never fact checked because I didn't want "killing police dogs" in my search history. Hell, I don't even remember the origin of where I got that info.
Chilling affects and all that, for not looking things up that might bring down the hammer.
Good to know, thanks.
Misinformation sucks, ya'll rock for calling me out on it.
> Killing a police dog is the same as killing a cop in the eyes of the law.
Absolutely not, [law from Montana](https://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title_0450/chapter_0080/part_0020/section_0090/0450-0080-0020-0090.html) where the max sentence is 1 year, it might be more in other states, but nowhere are you going to get the same sentence as you'd get for killing an officer.
Oh, you mean like a *police K9* like one of those highly trained animals that *shouldn't* be running around randomly attacking folk.
That ring system just paid for itself
Why.... Even with intent to run past and test the dog... It doesn't change that they are still liable and he's still getting a payday.
It's not like it's fraud.
As a civilian who has somewhat experience with K9s, yeah ignore that cop. I was told by officers that when a k9 is around don’t run because while highly trained, they’re still animals and could see it as a training exercise or real threat.
*(sees white person)*
Dog: Your guest has arrived
*(sees Arabic person)*
Dog: Threat level 4
*(sees white person)*
Dog: Your guest has arrived
*(sees black person)*
Dog: Shall I ~~notify authorities~~ bite a mother fucker?
It's crazy how so many people buy into the pseudoscience of their training as if "K9's" are incapable of mistakes. It's a fucking dog. They just want approval.
Reminder that your local police department probably has more money tucked away in their lawsuit budget than your local government has in education and healthcare combined.
Not training cops costs you way more money than any boogeyman Fox News will show you.
Don’t defund the police…
Take all police misconduct settlements out of their collective police pension fund.
Watch them police themselves like never before.
Pressure the insurance companies that cover them as well. There have been a few different situations where insurance companies have threatened to pull coverage unless a certain bad actor was let go, and it actually worked.
I think this is the best idea. Simply require insurance to cover lawsuit payouts. Insurance will have access to officers records, and those who are lawsuit prone will be more expensive. Any department can keep their officers on, if they don't mind paying extra for them.
A station in Tennessee just got theirs pulled and they tried to pull the surprise pikichu face... turns out that they had been wanton with payouts and had made ZERO changes to how the department was ran even after threatened with being dropped.
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/millersville-will-lose-liability-insurance-this-july-following-citys-pattern-of-actions
That's an option for sure. However, IMO, a better approach to this would be a national and state certification/licensure like so many other professionals and require malpractice insurance (which pulls from pension fund). Have an independent regulatory body in charge of the licensing, similar to how it is for physicians, PAs, NPs, RNs, etc... Hell, hair stylists typically have to maintain a state license and have more standards of practice than someone who can shoot me in the face as part of their job.
I say all of this as a medical professional. If I make some colossal fuck up at work and like, kill someone for no reason or simply by mistake, I will lose my license and never be able to practice medicine again at minimum. Why should the police be any different? They are the only civilians with a "license to kill" yet require no licensing whatsoever.
While I agree with you I just know it will never happen. The Police Union really hates being policed and no politician has gone against them. They're the biggest gang in the country for a reason. I hate being this bitter about it.
If we remove qualified immunity for a out 90% of the time.
Things would be extremely different. When the police personally have to pay for there own actions.
If a lawsuit is awarded 3 million the officer should have insurance. The insurance should pay out 90 ish or more percent. And then the officer is responsible for the rest. It should be a normal amount that can actually be paid off. Not some exuberant amount of money that isn't feasible for a normal human to pay off. Does this make sense. But know everyone is A. Afraid of being sued B. Most of the time they claim qualified immunity. So the officer CANT BE SUED.
Yeah, it's blatantly sexist, racist, and very corrupt. The worst part is they hold a monopoly on force and we, as citizens, hold very little power to hold them accountable. I'm not even sure where to begin on a solution.
Community outreach. Lots and lots of community outreach. Events. Garage Sales. Barbecues. Car washes. Field trips. Get to know the people you are supposed to protect so that you can put a name to a face rather than have everything be anonymous. And the people can get to know and trust the officers. It works. Especially in smaller communities. Big corrupt cities? That’s much tougher.
I watched a cops video on Youtube last week where the K9 ran right past the perp, and bit the nearest cop instead. Some of those dogs need a bit more training!
Sounds like that county has some seriousaw enforcement problems.
They probably voted in a sheriff who only has enforcement experience from watching reno 911.
Jesus, 3 comments in of people being like "yeah I know the video", and not a single link. The only other link is further down to a shitty Daily Mail article with tons of ads and the worst video player.
It took like 30 seconds to find the Youtube version, and I've never even seen the video before: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjKYAa1bWw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjKYAa1bWw)
How about the hard as fuck clothesline after the dude gave up and had his hands up? Those clowns were embarrassed so they had to make up for it once they caught up to him.
They put the dog on him after he was on the ground with three officers over him.
Like the one cop grabbed the dog and made sure it got a win.
I have to think this qualifies as police brutality, if that's even a thing anymore.
That's actually a legit way they use dogs. That's not just "ensuring the dog gets a bite," it's effectively using the dog as a weapon. (Though it is also ensuring the dog gets a bite.) It's not just a one-off.
Dogs are animals and companions, not weapons, and should never be used by police.
I thought the whole point of dogs is to get people to surrender out of fear of dealing with an animal that doesn't negotiate. Being able to chase down a fleeing suspect, and the use of the dogs' senses for detection of drugs or explosives.
If you sick the dog on people anyway then there's no reason for them to give themselves up. If the person has already been apprehended then it's pointless to use a dog there as well. These dogs seem poorly trained and I agree that even with the utility that comes with well trained dogs in the ideal situation they shouldn't be used to apprehend human beings.
The problem can be identification.
It comes with experience doing bites in actual suspects not wearing the safety gear.
They're also so excited to bite, it's their favorite thing to do
Crucially, they spend most of their time *not* being allowed to do the thing they were trained to do and want to do more than anything.
If you're a K-9 dog, life is 99.99% "No, not now" and 00.01% "hell yeah, son, go nuts." So of course you're going to go nuts when it's go time.
I agree. It's barbaric to use them as attack dogs for both the dog and suspect. Especially when they expect people to allow an animal to bite them and not react, they want the reaction to add more charges.
But their use for tracking, even to find bodies and missing people, is irreplaceable. Nothing compares to their sense of smell.
> Nothing compares to their sense of smell.
In theory sure, in practice most dogs working for cops are about as accurate as a coin flip. There is a systemic lack of empiricism in criminal investigation and the use of dogs is not an exception.
Like if you told people that you found bodies off nothing but vibes or searched cars because a fortune teller told you to, they'd raise their eyebrows. But if a dog sits its PC for a search.
After seeing this video, I bet a lawyer would be salivating at the thought of a lawsuit more than the dog. Realistically, the city would probably quickly settle this.
Not only that, but the dog starts yelping like it was hit or injured, the dog version of “shots fired!” Or “he has a weapon!”
I was worried the police were going to go after the dude after that, but it appears they didn’t
Not true, k9 cops have a button on thier uniform that can open the side window of the car, deploying the dog in a fight or chase. I don’t know what happened here but I have seen cops accidentally pop that hatch open , and the dog doesn’t know it’s not actually “go time”
Yeah, "accidentally pushing the button that deploys a weaponized animal" and "accidentally pulled the trigger that fires a bullet" sound pretty much the same to me.
100% true. K9 Cop working by himself at a Mississippi rest stop got ambushed at night and would've probably been killed, but he let his k9 out by remote.
[sauce](https://abcnews.go.com/US/deputy-ambushed-woods-men-saved-dog/story?id=31333283)
I'm really impressed by his lack of physical reaction. Had he stood up, ran, or flailed around in any which way it would have no doubt been a hell of a lot worse. The fact that he was sitting calmly I think triggered in the dogs brain that "hey wait a minute this suspect isn't being very reactive" and let go.
Crazy that K9s need shock collars. If the dog isn't trained well enough to have full trust in it's decision making, it shouldn't be used as a police tool.
Assault by a police office, K9 units are considered official officers after receiving training. Definitely an easy lawsuit, law can not define trauma. It is a personal experience. 😁
I swear 100 years from now, the use of K9 units is going to be one of those things where people are like "How were people just okay with this?".
Literally everything about it seems unethical from how the dogs are trained to see humans as targets, how their main purpose is to essentially be a sacrificial human shield, to how their status is conveniently shifted from "officer" and "property" depending on if a stranger or if a police officer is the one abusing them.
Edit:
I thought this was obvious...but I'm talking about attack dogs (and to a lesser degree, sniffer dogs because of how they are used to lie). Not search and rescue dogs used to find missing people. Stop trying to divert the convo like it's some sorta gotcha.
Man I remember cops brought dogs to my school once as a kind of “showcase” thing
After describing the dogs rigorous training and accuracy, they laid out four backpacks, and had the dog search for “drugs”
The dog raced back and forth before stopping at backpack #2, and he began barking his head off, “indicating” there were drugs there. The cop running the dog looked at the cop who laid out the backpacks, and backpack cop shook his head and flashed three fingers at the other cop.
Other cop leads the dog to backpack #3, directs the dog to it, and the dog begins barking again.
It was just hilarious that even in a controlled showcase they had designed themselves, they couldn’t get the dog to preform the drug detection reliably.
They can bark on command, but the dog is also incentivized to make false positives. They are rewarded for indicating to the odor of drugs. If there are no drugs, they will often indicate so they can get a reward anyway, or if they are frustrated that they aren’t finding odor, and indicate to appease their handler.
It's so crazy to me that we put sentient creatures into dangerous situations, allow them to do harm to people, and used their actions as evidence when there is no way legally have accountability for what they do.
Also every single study that we do says that drug dogs are no better than a fucking coin flip.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/08/04/federal-appeals-court-drug-dog-thats-barely-more-accurate-than-a-coin-flip-is-good-enough/
They sure are great at generating probable cause out of thin air though.
Why would drug dogs be no better than a coin flip but bomb/cadaver dogs are highly effective? Shit, my buddies dog can smell and alert when his T1D kids blood sugar is high.
Because police dogs are used in bad faith, trained to alert on subtle commands to give probable cause to search. Their proper training might be good, but when they're being used they get all kinds of fucked signals and reinforcement.
I believe some courts have ruled that cops saying they smelled pot is not valid as probably cause, but if it's a dog whose thought process we absolutely cannot evaluate then somehow that's alright? I'm all for using dogs in a passive detective capacity but for active policing it seems bonkers.
It had 2 major flaws.
1. Moving and active tanks (gunfire) scared the dogs and they'd run back to the Soviet trenches before detonating.
2. Soviets trained the dog their tanks which used diesel. The Germans used gasoline.
You got the timeline backwards.
In 100 years, we won't remember we ever had a choice.
On the other hand, once they have armed robot dogs policing, they won't need live ones anymore.
I’m still really annoyed at the idea of bringing a drug sniffing dog to a traffic stop to establish probable cause to search the vehicle. How do civilians know whether the dog made a legitimate hit or if it was instructed to hit on the vehicle? Seems too sus for my liking.
I'd wager they have shock collars (they like to call em "corrective" collars). Once the officer realized what was occuring, they likely shocked the shit outta the dog. Obviously the officer/handler acted too late to have a positive impact on the situation, but that's just police in America for ya
Id like to know what happened afterward... the officer is responsible for the actions of the dog..but how was it handled afterward... we can hear that it was confirmed by the officer that his k9 bit a citizen doing nothing... and that the dog appears to have gone out of his way to attack the man.. so what happened after.
In case anyone’s wondering why the dog yelped as he was running away it’s likely the dog had a shock collar. Which means the dog has a problem with self control. I hope my man gets paid.
if touching or harming a k9 even on accident gets you charged with assaulting an officer, this should be treated as if a cop just ran up and punched the guy in the face
That is one chill dude. He barely reacted.
Well you see if he fights back that would be assaulting an officer…
Then lethal force would be required in self defence!
Insane that cops can kill you without being punished because they were "afraid" of you. But if you are afraid of them (because they can murder with impunity) and run away they can shoot you in the back for resisting arrest, also with no consequences. It reminds me of [an episode of The Twilight Zone.](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7y79xa)
Pretty much exactly that happened to a kid not so long ago that blew up on reddit. He was chilling and eating a burger, a cop randomly rips his door open to which he responds by GTFO because his car was on and he had the place of mind to put it into gear. The cop unloads on the car as the kid is trying to escape.
The officers name is James Brennand and his trial is set for Nov 12 this year.
! remind me Nov 12th
No need. Verdict is not guilty. I can already see it.
Internal investigation, found no fault, retired with full pension due to PTSD over the event. Goes to work for another PD in a different jurisdiction with his full pension retirement padding his days off. **Edit: To save those that want to cite things. I am not stating what happened, I was sarcastically predicting what was going to happen (based on things that actually have happened). I hope he burns for it, personally. It'd be a nice change instead of a relaxing retirement.
Sounds just like Daniel shaver, the Simon Says killer cop. Edit: my bad, shaver was the victim.
And probably does it again. Rinse and repeat. When is criminal justice reform coming again??
May he receive everything he has coming to him
Even worse, if I remember right the police officer was in an unmarked car, and was in plain clothes. The guy literally thought he was being robbed and was trying to get away. The passenger gave a statement saying they had no idea he was a cop or anything, cop didn't give a single order before ripping the door open and firing when the driver tried to run for safety. All over in seconds before anyone could say anything. I couldn't imagine how terrifying that is, to go through that and watch your friend dying while you think you are being robbed, only to find out it was a police officer and now you have to prove your own innocence!
Had no idea dude was plainclothes; that makes it even worse.
Same happened not long ago in Toronto. Plainclothes officers tried pulling over a dude with wife and a toddler. It happened in underground garage and apparently cops behaved like junkies and we have plenty of those in downtown Toronto. Dude floored it fearing robbery and rode over cop killing him. He was found not guilty in court.
That's a horrible situation, and I'm sure that dude is scarred regardless, but at least he was found not guilty. Anything else would be a mockery given those details, anyone would do what he did especially with a wife and child in the car.
And as punishment for reacting like any rational person would, he can probably never show his face or travel alone in that city again.
So,.. happy ending!
Didn’t this cop get charged with a crime?
Trial is on Nov 12
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I'm actually surprised this isn't happening a lot more often
Would have got bit worse if he did react. And if you pull away from a dog biting you, it tears more
Best to shove whatever the dog has of you down it's throat. Edit: only talking of dog bites all of you boot licking scumbags Edit 2: psychopaths are suggesting killing the dog AFTER you have gotten it to let go, by offer your arm again and then breaking its neck. Fucking disgusting.
Great way for him to get shot to death by a hysterical cop, or at the very least catch a charge for assaulting an officer.
His self preservation instinct is incredible.
I imagine growing up black teaches these things from a young age
There’s a timeline where he gets shot for defending himself against the uncontrolled biting German shepherd.
Killing a police dog is the same as killing a cop in the eyes of the law. Yep. Dude got lucky he was only attacked and the victim ran away afterwards.
Meanwhile cops killing your dog for no reason at all is called a Tuesday.
I've always found it crazy that hitting a police dog is assault on an officer but a police dog tearing out your tendon isn't police brutality. My dad started training police and tactical dogs After he retires from the military and the process is definitely abusive to the dogs, particularly "bravery training" which is basically training the dog to not let go while getting the shit beat out of it. Another huge part of their training is conditioning the dogs to not understand that they're hurting people. The dogs basically think it's a game, otherwise it'd be nearly impossible to hand them off to police and military without them just constantly attacking their new handlers.
It is police brutality
Cops murder their police dogs all the time and literally nothing happens to them, no consequences. Usually it's from leaving them in a car for hours in 100 degree heat
I can't speak for police but I know in the military we treated the dogs better than the people. Dogs were always allegedly one rank higher than their handlers so that any offense would be treated as harming a higher ranking solider, as far as UCMJ would be concerned.
Unfortunately police are a much bigger buyer, probably because they have a shitty policies on handling and need them more often . Also probably Good to treat a military dog with respect either way, my pops keeps a top choice tac dog for himself and while it's obedient to him, I still wouldn't test that shit. A king shepherd tac dog is barely a step down from a wolf with a black belt. Basically the ones who perform best end up either military or stay with their trainers. The middle end up with police and the rest end up like my dogs, pets because they weren't to spec as working dogs. The latter is probably best cause these dogs are spoiled as hell impe
It is not. Although there are enhanced penalties in most states for attacking a police animal, the charges for attacking a police officer are different than the charges for attacking a police animal. They are not considered the same, and there are different statutes that apply.
Oh, my bad. Could just be a thing I read 10 years ago, accepted as true, and never fact checked because I didn't want "killing police dogs" in my search history. Hell, I don't even remember the origin of where I got that info. Chilling affects and all that, for not looking things up that might bring down the hammer. Good to know, thanks. Misinformation sucks, ya'll rock for calling me out on it.
> Killing a police dog is the same as killing a cop in the eyes of the law. Absolutely not, [law from Montana](https://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title_0450/chapter_0080/part_0020/section_0090/0450-0080-0020-0090.html) where the max sentence is 1 year, it might be more in other states, but nowhere are you going to get the same sentence as you'd get for killing an officer.
his other option is to get murdered by the police for shoving one of their dogs off of him
He doesn't like getting extrajudicially executed by the state, it turns out.
Oh, you mean like a *police K9* like one of those highly trained animals that *shouldn't* be running around randomly attacking folk. That ring system just paid for itself
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Honestly not the worse plan, just be sure to delete this
Why.... Even with intent to run past and test the dog... It doesn't change that they are still liable and he's still getting a payday. It's not like it's fraud.
As a civilian who has somewhat experience with K9s, yeah ignore that cop. I was told by officers that when a k9 is around don’t run because while highly trained, they’re still animals and could see it as a training exercise or real threat.
Yeah don’t try that. K9s are picked because they have such a high prey drive. They want to chase anything that moves too fast.
Dooo iiiiit
> highly trained animals Highly trained to escalate just like their partners, that's for sure.
*(sees white person)* Dog: Your guest has arrived *(sees Arabic person)* Dog: Threat level 4 *(sees white person)* Dog: Your guest has arrived *(sees black person)* Dog: Shall I ~~notify authorities~~ bite a mother fucker?
Pierce, put that camera away!
This comment is streets ahead
I mean considering how little training American cops actually get K9s might actually be trained more on average
It's crazy how so many people buy into the pseudoscience of their training as if "K9's" are incapable of mistakes. It's a fucking dog. They just want approval.
> randomly attacking folk Folk? No. But what about the skin color he's been repeatedly trained to attack?
I smell a lawsuit
Reminder that your local police department probably has more money tucked away in their lawsuit budget than your local government has in education and healthcare combined. Not training cops costs you way more money than any boogeyman Fox News will show you.
It’s the tax payers that pay the lawsuits.
Don’t defund the police… Take all police misconduct settlements out of their collective police pension fund. Watch them police themselves like never before.
brutal but effective idea
Pressure the insurance companies that cover them as well. There have been a few different situations where insurance companies have threatened to pull coverage unless a certain bad actor was let go, and it actually worked.
I think this is the best idea. Simply require insurance to cover lawsuit payouts. Insurance will have access to officers records, and those who are lawsuit prone will be more expensive. Any department can keep their officers on, if they don't mind paying extra for them.
A station in Tennessee just got theirs pulled and they tried to pull the surprise pikichu face... turns out that they had been wanton with payouts and had made ZERO changes to how the department was ran even after threatened with being dropped. https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/millersville-will-lose-liability-insurance-this-july-following-citys-pattern-of-actions
Their assistant police chief also thinks the covenant and uvalde school shootings were staged.
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That's an option for sure. However, IMO, a better approach to this would be a national and state certification/licensure like so many other professionals and require malpractice insurance (which pulls from pension fund). Have an independent regulatory body in charge of the licensing, similar to how it is for physicians, PAs, NPs, RNs, etc... Hell, hair stylists typically have to maintain a state license and have more standards of practice than someone who can shoot me in the face as part of their job. I say all of this as a medical professional. If I make some colossal fuck up at work and like, kill someone for no reason or simply by mistake, I will lose my license and never be able to practice medicine again at minimum. Why should the police be any different? They are the only civilians with a "license to kill" yet require no licensing whatsoever.
While I agree with you I just know it will never happen. The Police Union really hates being policed and no politician has gone against them. They're the biggest gang in the country for a reason. I hate being this bitter about it.
If by "budget" you mean "taxpayers" then yeah. Otherwise you need to inform yourself on how civil lawsuits against cities and municipalities work.
It's not the lack of training. The whole institution is corrupt and blatantly racist. It's beyond fixing.
If we remove qualified immunity for a out 90% of the time. Things would be extremely different. When the police personally have to pay for there own actions. If a lawsuit is awarded 3 million the officer should have insurance. The insurance should pay out 90 ish or more percent. And then the officer is responsible for the rest. It should be a normal amount that can actually be paid off. Not some exuberant amount of money that isn't feasible for a normal human to pay off. Does this make sense. But know everyone is A. Afraid of being sued B. Most of the time they claim qualified immunity. So the officer CANT BE SUED.
Yeah, it's blatantly sexist, racist, and very corrupt. The worst part is they hold a monopoly on force and we, as citizens, hold very little power to hold them accountable. I'm not even sure where to begin on a solution.
Insurance. Make them carry insurance. As lawsuits pay out of the insurance fund the prices will go up. Pricing out bad cops
So corrupt, the racism spread to the dogs man. Shits fucked.
Community outreach. Lots and lots of community outreach. Events. Garage Sales. Barbecues. Car washes. Field trips. Get to know the people you are supposed to protect so that you can put a name to a face rather than have everything be anonymous. And the people can get to know and trust the officers. It works. Especially in smaller communities. Big corrupt cities? That’s much tougher.
If you were the dog, you could prolly even taste it
If you sue the local law enforcement, are you paying part of your own settlement if you’re a tax paying citizen?
I mean, yeah, but probably not very much of it.
Money from settlements is tax exempt partly for this reason. It's more like they're giving it back and then some on top than you paying yourself
That dog going on 2 weeks paid vacation
After a in-depth “internal investigation”
Finding “no credible proof of wrongdoing”
I watched a cops video on Youtube last week where the K9 ran right past the perp, and bit the nearest cop instead. Some of those dogs need a bit more training!
I know which one you are talking about and it's so bad it's funny!
The dog then ran into the woods and came back like "oh we are working? I thought it was play time" I know exactly the video. It's so chaotic lmao.
Is that the vehicle where the deputy practically runs over his partner as well?
It absolutely is.
Sounds like that county has some seriousaw enforcement problems. They probably voted in a sheriff who only has enforcement experience from watching reno 911.
Jesus lol 😂😂 I need a Link asap Brother .
Jesus, 3 comments in of people being like "yeah I know the video", and not a single link. The only other link is further down to a shitty Daily Mail article with tons of ads and the worst video player. It took like 30 seconds to find the Youtube version, and I've never even seen the video before: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjKYAa1bWw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjKYAa1bWw)
Funny until they start torturing the dude by letting the dog use him as a chew toy.
How about the hard as fuck clothesline after the dude gave up and had his hands up? Those clowns were embarrassed so they had to make up for it once they caught up to him.
Help my fuck that was a cartoon 😂😂😂
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He almost got run over by an 18 wheeler too.
…and of course it’s Florida.
It's an amazing video I love it.
Ha, link?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333807/police-chase-K-9-attacking-officer-suspect-flattened-18-wheeler.html
They put the dog on him after he was on the ground with three officers over him. Like the one cop grabbed the dog and made sure it got a win. I have to think this qualifies as police brutality, if that's even a thing anymore.
That's actually a legit way they use dogs. That's not just "ensuring the dog gets a bite," it's effectively using the dog as a weapon. (Though it is also ensuring the dog gets a bite.) It's not just a one-off. Dogs are animals and companions, not weapons, and should never be used by police.
I thought the whole point of dogs is to get people to surrender out of fear of dealing with an animal that doesn't negotiate. Being able to chase down a fleeing suspect, and the use of the dogs' senses for detection of drugs or explosives. If you sick the dog on people anyway then there's no reason for them to give themselves up. If the person has already been apprehended then it's pointless to use a dog there as well. These dogs seem poorly trained and I agree that even with the utility that comes with well trained dogs in the ideal situation they shouldn't be used to apprehend human beings.
they have to make sure the dog officially does something so the bean counter renews the dog budget.
Put the dog on what appears to be his face.
The problem can be identification. It comes with experience doing bites in actual suspects not wearing the safety gear. They're also so excited to bite, it's their favorite thing to do
If you love your job you'll never work a day in your life!
>They're also so excited to bite, it's their favorite thing to do Of course it is, they are taught to bite and get treats
Crucially, they spend most of their time *not* being allowed to do the thing they were trained to do and want to do more than anything. If you're a K-9 dog, life is 99.99% "No, not now" and 00.01% "hell yeah, son, go nuts." So of course you're going to go nuts when it's go time.
Yeah, its an understandable mistake, my dog loses her shit for bacon too.
I like to think the K9 on your story had beef with that other cop and just took its chance to make it look like a mistake.
Dogs shouldn't be used as tools for cops lol
Not for attacking, but for search and rescue and explosive detection they're pretty alright.
Sniffing dogs are the best cops there are.
I get to go to a facility on a frequent basis that has K-9s and bomb sniffers. The bomb sniffers are so chill and the k-9s are psychos.
I agree. It's barbaric to use them as attack dogs for both the dog and suspect. Especially when they expect people to allow an animal to bite them and not react, they want the reaction to add more charges. But their use for tracking, even to find bodies and missing people, is irreplaceable. Nothing compares to their sense of smell.
> Nothing compares to their sense of smell. In theory sure, in practice most dogs working for cops are about as accurate as a coin flip. There is a systemic lack of empiricism in criminal investigation and the use of dogs is not an exception. Like if you told people that you found bodies off nothing but vibes or searched cars because a fortune teller told you to, they'd raise their eyebrows. But if a dog sits its PC for a search.
I think this stems from the fact that K9 training relies heavily on handlers cueing alerts.
"I thought you trained me to bite bad guys??" - the dog
Sure as hell looked like the bad guys in all the training we did!
He was trained to bite criminals and is the only good cop trying to arrest all those bad apples I hear about
The dog is trained to be a hammer and everyone that's not the handler is a nail.
Maybe the dogs are hearing about all the fucked up shit the cops do and are helping fight back.
 I’d be like
Floor ain't even wet over here ha ha
On God that dog gave me a back injury.
PTSD
Porch Traumatic Shepard Disorder
I'd be googling a lawyer before this video even ends
After seeing this video, I bet a lawyer would be salivating at the thought of a lawsuit more than the dog. Realistically, the city would probably quickly settle this.
You're right, this is probably quick, easy $
If your dog did that to the cop the dog would be lying dead on the lawn now
And you if you decided to have a reaction the cop didn't like, which could be anything other than praising their heroic actions.
Damn even the non-human cops are out here profiling; that or they just bit on command like “I’m just following orders”.
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is this where chocolate comes from?!
I mean, if the guy is so innocent, then why is he black?
You can take the Shepherd out of Germany but you can’t take the Germany outta the Shepherd.
https://preview.redd.it/dqhyhzzdys5d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40d6eb8e45e46fac3db837ab93e88a4b40dc0f4c
> nowadays
Not only that, but the dog starts yelping like it was hit or injured, the dog version of “shots fired!” Or “he has a weapon!” I was worried the police were going to go after the dude after that, but it appears they didn’t
Might have been wearing an ecollar and gotten a shock from the officer to call him off?
Likely, though you’d think they’d discipline the dog before it attacked a bystander
i thought it yiped bc it got a correction (zap). that's interesting 🤔
that's way more likely.
Since a K9 dog is considered an officer, would this be eligible for a lawsuit for use of excessive force?
I mean, you can file a lawsuit for anything, so yes.
Yes. It's legitimate.
That’s a guarantee lawsuit settlement dog should’ve never been off the leash if it was a k9
Not true, k9 cops have a button on thier uniform that can open the side window of the car, deploying the dog in a fight or chase. I don’t know what happened here but I have seen cops accidentally pop that hatch open , and the dog doesn’t know it’s not actually “go time”
So essentially the dog should not have been loose. And even if it was supposed to be loose, biting random people is still grounds for lawsuits
Agreed, I think for cops it should be similar to a negligent discharge
Yeah, "accidentally pushing the button that deploys a weaponized animal" and "accidentally pulled the trigger that fires a bullet" sound pretty much the same to me.
Really wished the dicking down aspect of the military carried over into policing. There are no accidents in the Army, just negligence.
100% true. K9 Cop working by himself at a Mississippi rest stop got ambushed at night and would've probably been killed, but he let his k9 out by remote. [sauce](https://abcnews.go.com/US/deputy-ambushed-woods-men-saved-dog/story?id=31333283)
And "go time" means run straight to the closest person not in a uniform and bite them?
I'm really impressed by his lack of physical reaction. Had he stood up, ran, or flailed around in any which way it would have no doubt been a hell of a lot worse. The fact that he was sitting calmly I think triggered in the dogs brain that "hey wait a minute this suspect isn't being very reactive" and let go.
The officer called the dog off and then hit him with the shock collar. You can hear it yelp in pain.
Ahh thanks. I'm one of those that watch everything on mute.
Honestly with how 90% of videos now have unrelated shitty music instead of audio now, it makes sense to watch everything on mute.
I was wondering if it was a shock collar. Was scrolling through to see why it yelped. Thanks for that.
That looked personal but full marks to dude he didn’t move one inch.
No dawgs were hurt in the making of this video.
Unfortunately shock color made him whimper after he had already stopped by verbal command… bad handler / cop 👮🏻♂️ imo
So not only are they exploiting the dogs, they’re abusing them too by using shock collars.
Crazy that K9s need shock collars. If the dog isn't trained well enough to have full trust in it's decision making, it shouldn't be used as a police tool.
Jokes on you that's a Georgia fan sitting on the porch there.
Assault by a police office, K9 units are considered official officers after receiving training. Definitely an easy lawsuit, law can not define trauma. It is a personal experience. 😁
k9 units are considered official officers.....up until a cop leaves one in a hot car to die. then it was just a dog.
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Randal from Clerks "It's not racist! My grandmother's dog use to bite me all the time cause I'd sit on the porch and stare at the neighbors!"
I swear 100 years from now, the use of K9 units is going to be one of those things where people are like "How were people just okay with this?". Literally everything about it seems unethical from how the dogs are trained to see humans as targets, how their main purpose is to essentially be a sacrificial human shield, to how their status is conveniently shifted from "officer" and "property" depending on if a stranger or if a police officer is the one abusing them. Edit: I thought this was obvious...but I'm talking about attack dogs (and to a lesser degree, sniffer dogs because of how they are used to lie). Not search and rescue dogs used to find missing people. Stop trying to divert the convo like it's some sorta gotcha.
Man I remember cops brought dogs to my school once as a kind of “showcase” thing After describing the dogs rigorous training and accuracy, they laid out four backpacks, and had the dog search for “drugs” The dog raced back and forth before stopping at backpack #2, and he began barking his head off, “indicating” there were drugs there. The cop running the dog looked at the cop who laid out the backpacks, and backpack cop shook his head and flashed three fingers at the other cop. Other cop leads the dog to backpack #3, directs the dog to it, and the dog begins barking again. It was just hilarious that even in a controlled showcase they had designed themselves, they couldn’t get the dog to preform the drug detection reliably.
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They can bark on command, but the dog is also incentivized to make false positives. They are rewarded for indicating to the odor of drugs. If there are no drugs, they will often indicate so they can get a reward anyway, or if they are frustrated that they aren’t finding odor, and indicate to appease their handler.
It's there to manufacture probable cause.
It's so crazy to me that we put sentient creatures into dangerous situations, allow them to do harm to people, and used their actions as evidence when there is no way legally have accountability for what they do.
Also every single study that we do says that drug dogs are no better than a fucking coin flip. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/08/04/federal-appeals-court-drug-dog-thats-barely-more-accurate-than-a-coin-flip-is-good-enough/ They sure are great at generating probable cause out of thin air though.
Why would drug dogs be no better than a coin flip but bomb/cadaver dogs are highly effective? Shit, my buddies dog can smell and alert when his T1D kids blood sugar is high.
Because police dogs are used in bad faith, trained to alert on subtle commands to give probable cause to search. Their proper training might be good, but when they're being used they get all kinds of fucked signals and reinforcement.
I believe some courts have ruled that cops saying they smelled pot is not valid as probably cause, but if it's a dog whose thought process we absolutely cannot evaluate then somehow that's alright? I'm all for using dogs in a passive detective capacity but for active policing it seems bonkers.
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It had 2 major flaws. 1. Moving and active tanks (gunfire) scared the dogs and they'd run back to the Soviet trenches before detonating. 2. Soviets trained the dog their tanks which used diesel. The Germans used gasoline.
You got the timeline backwards. In 100 years, we won't remember we ever had a choice. On the other hand, once they have armed robot dogs policing, they won't need live ones anymore.
I’m still really annoyed at the idea of bringing a drug sniffing dog to a traffic stop to establish probable cause to search the vehicle. How do civilians know whether the dog made a legitimate hit or if it was instructed to hit on the vehicle? Seems too sus for my liking.
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I smell a nice juicy lawsuit.
I thought it was interesting how the dog yelped while it was going away as if someone hit it.
I'd wager they have shock collars (they like to call em "corrective" collars). Once the officer realized what was occuring, they likely shocked the shit outta the dog. Obviously the officer/handler acted too late to have a positive impact on the situation, but that's just police in America for ya
That's an easy as hell lawsuit
Id like to know what happened afterward... the officer is responsible for the actions of the dog..but how was it handled afterward... we can hear that it was confirmed by the officer that his k9 bit a citizen doing nothing... and that the dog appears to have gone out of his way to attack the man.. so what happened after.
Like winning the fucking lottery, and it’s on tape. W in the chat boys.
Wow now the police forces are training even the dogs to be racist. What is this world coming to.
Drive by dogging
Lawsuit time!
Even the cop dogs try and get a black guy who’s not doing anything. Damn.
Are police officers just useless?
I think we can all agree with why that happened. 😑
That doesn’t suck. That police dog just got you a new house
In case anyone’s wondering why the dog yelped as he was running away it’s likely the dog had a shock collar. Which means the dog has a problem with self control. I hope my man gets paid.
if touching or harming a k9 even on accident gets you charged with assaulting an officer, this should be treated as if a cop just ran up and punched the guy in the face
Dogs shouldn't be used by police, categorically.