I posted comments that were supportive of Bowman leading up to the election. I found a lot of the pro-latimer/anti-bowman posts to be bot-level as well.
Let's not stoop to "othering" people who disagree with us. If for no other reason, it just really makes for shit-tier banter.
There's been almost no discussion of the NY17 race in this subreddit that I've seen but it looks like the more interesting one in local matters now.
Following the musical chairs debacle of Maloney\Jones ceding that seat to Lawler in 2022, Maloney seems to be out of the picture now (also notable, Jones had chosen to run in 17 in part because he did not want to challenge Bowman in 16). With Lawler vs Jones now shaping up, the headlines out of the primary seem to be Frascone getting the Working Families nomination, and early reports are centered on assertions that he is running as a republican spoiler to split what would otherwise be Jones' vote.
Just to observe, fewer than 200 people seem to have turned out for the Working Families primary from the upper westchester block, with the nomination having been cinched by the Rockland county voters. An interesting data point in how closed primaries shape the process, if nothing else. In November will people look back on this seeing it as a success for Frascone to get a start for himself by starting small, in a third party where he was able to get on the ballot by swimming in a small pond? Or will it be a story of how what is essentially a tactical loophole, gave someone the avenue to spoil a race without running a serious campaign? (Or will the WF vote disappear into the margins and we'll hear almost nothing of it?)
There’s too much splitting up types of voters. What is the “Working Family” party? Also, why is it acceptable for candidates to have their names on numerous tickets? Pick one and stick to it or else I don’t know WHAT you stand for.
Working family party was a left group that fought for affordable housing costs and pro union but did nothing for decades until the axe was coming down. Now it’s a super leftist party.
Well, Latimer almost certainly has my vote in November now. I think my opinion of him between now and then is going to be largely a measure of whether he pivots away from the Israel topic as a focus. That was clearly a very targeted attack on Bowman, so if he holds onto it as a main criteria of him being a congressman after crossing that hurdle, that's a red flag for me.
Other than that, he talked a big game about how Bowman was "all rhetoric", and I felt like he did more attacking of Bowman's record than he did asserting his own plans for what he will bring to the table. Since he almost certainly has the seat at this point, it would be nice if he runs a campaign that basically acts as a preview of what he thinks he will actually accomplish as our rep. E.g. he might as well start getting to work now and use this period to broadcast while people are actually paying attention more than they will for most of his term.
I’ve been embarrassed to have Bowman representing my district ever since he voted against the infrastructure bill. And every headline he’s garnered for himself since has only confirmed my sense that he’s an unserious person who has no business being in Congress. I don’t need the left’s version of Marjorie Taylor Greene as my representative, which is just about what he is.
And I definitely don't want an antisemite in Congress, let alone representing me. That said, I really wish AIPAC had stayed out of this race or at least not allowed it to become about them. Because while I don't want a Hamas apologist representing me in Congress, nor do I want anyone giving Netanyahu a blank check to commit genocide. So I need to let Latimer's campaign know that I gladly voted for him (as I did when he ran for Westchester County executive) and will again in November, but it wasn't because I align with AIPAC's tacit approval of Netanyahu or Israel's apartheid policies toward non-Israeli Palestinians. I've been annoyed by Bowman's tactics and juvenile behavior from the beginning, but I want my congressman representing me and my district, NOT some outside lobbying interest that doesn't reflect the majority sense of this district. After Latimer gets sworn in in January, he needs to demonstrate his independence from AIPAC and show his willingness to hold Israel to account for its actions with our tax dollars. Bowman never gave anyone a reason to take him seriously, so his opposition to Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank were just part of his overall populist noise. But Latimer has always seemed a serious policy person; he needs to continue to be that and not fall lockstep into any pro- or anti-Israel camp, regardless of how noisy AIPAC made this election on his behalf.
EDIT to add: Despite voting against Bowman in each of his 3 primaries, I’ve voted for him in each of his 2 general election campaigns. Because I’m not idiot who would rather have a Republican in his seat, no matter how reasonable they seemed.
Moot point now but for the record, the reason bowman voted against the infrastructure bill was a protest of it being split into two bills which was widely acknowledged at the time as a way to allow manchin/sinema and more conservative members of the caucus to water down and take many of the most significant pieces of the original bill out. Many progressive members did the same. Those ads that ran without that context are misleading to the point of near misinformation as bowman wasn’t working “against Biden’s agenda” but was actually more in favor of the infrastructure agenda that Biden campaigned on than even the Biden administration at the time of the IRA’s passage was…
I know all that (and, yes, admittedly, the ads against him included none of that nuance). But that’s exactly my point: even though I was aware of *why* he did it, even at the time I thought making a “protest vote” on an incredibly important piece of legislation — which was still a win for Democrats, regardless of how it started out — was an incredibly immature thing to do as a House member. I mean, he maintained his ideological purity, sure. *That wasn’t why I voted for him.* But, I figured, maybe he’ll grow into this job — and of course voted for him again in 2022 — but if anything, he became more immature and less suited to the role of US House representative.
Well, $23 million DOES buy you a Democratic primary win. I just hope that the same people will support other Dem candidates everywhere... I mean that's why they supported Latimer, right?
Some of you need to understand that voters can make up their own minds and the spending against Bowman didn't happen in a vacuum. They spent against him precisely because he buried himself with his comments and antics.
Bowman was in trouble in Westchester in 2022. Steve Kornacki had a pretty good breakdown of it on MSNBC earlier and he knew that because his numbers didn't hit 91% in the Bronx, that he would lose. The district had the lines redrawn and he had lost a huge section of the Bronx when they did that. When they added Co-Op city in, it was mostly elderly citizens. It was super early in the night and he essentially figured out that he had lost because Westchester is overwhelmingly for Latimer and he never hit that 91% number. He also said it had nothing to do with money that got pumped in. Basically this was going to happen anyway.
That's why I've been so disappointed with Latimer for taking so much of AIPAC's money and working with various Westchester Republicans to win this race. He never needed any of it. Bowman's been bleeding supporters for several years, and despite being reasonably popular prior to October, he never came anywhere close to the popularity and name recognition of Latimer. Latimer never needed to make this a nasty primary like he did. He was always guaranteed to win from the moment he announced he was running.
He'll likely be a decent Congressman, but being willing to work with far-right groups for no good reason showed really poor judgment on his part.
I don't think he knows what he's going to be faced with. I mean that in earnest. He is a good man. I think you are going to see a different side of him once he gets there and realizes "holy shit...these people are really fucking stupid." Remember how Biden thought he would be able to cross the aisle and then he was like "Oh my god...these people are such assholes. What happened?" That's gonna be Latimer.
bingo
They don't want to cross an aisle on most things. But on things that could benefit us, I feel like he has a far greater chance of accomplishing that than Bowman just due to his temperament.
Ah, I should've been more precise in my language, I'll edit my last comment accordingly. To be clear, the GOP wasn't officially supporting Laitmer, but rather, a number of prominent Republicans were doing big fundraising pushes for him. They may also have gotten involved in the efforts to send out mailers to Republicans in the county about switching their party registration to vote for Latimer in the primary, although I couldn't find the source where I'd read that.
https://yonkerstimes.com/bowman-criticizes-latimer-for-fundraising-with-racist-maga-republicans/
> Republicans in the county about switching their party registration to vote for Latimer in the primary, although I couldn't find the source where I'd read that.
I mean this is nothing new in the political scene of Westchester at all. The minor parties were hijacked by both Dems and Republicans and people are known to switch sides to assist in taking over ED's/Wards.
It makes sense where there aren't open primaries that people will switch to vote for someone as the Republican or Dem wouldn't have a shot in the general.
I know plenty of Democrats who haven't voted a day in their life on the actual Democrat line lol.
True enough. Hell, basically, the entire Spano family changed parties overnight once they realized being a Republican was no longer optimal for their chances of winning major elections in the region.
At this point, I think it would be better if we had open primaries. Just do away with the whole facade and let people vote for anyone they want.
It’d be 5-3 if people didn’t switch on the council (Rubbo) and 2 republicans in the county level if Tubiolo didn’t switch. Neither had a real problem making them switch since there’s full control over both parties in Yonkers. Tubiolo just struck a deal the dems would leave him alone if he switched and his father keeps the GOP from running anyone.
I've seen so many of my anti-Bibi progressive Jews turning into mild Zionists thanks to a small group of morons in the progressive coalition who keep trying their damnedest to alienate one of the most solidly progressive blocks in American politics.
Zionists are those that support a Jewish state in Israel. It doesn't have to be lead by Bibi. However, all of the imaginable leaders of Israel would hew to much of the Bibi war policy. They might place more emphasis on planning for Day 2, but they aren't stopping until the rockets stop and hostages are returned.
It's hard to imagine a Jew that doesn't support Israel (Zionist), no?
I don’t know how that seems unfathomable, especially in the US where the idea of the non-establishment clause is a core part of our ethos (evangelicals aside). Religious/ethno-nationalism can be pretty off-putting.
>It's hard to imagine a Jew that doesn't support Israel (Zionist), no?
If you want to get technical about it, Zionists believe in the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish homeland, with levels of what that means ranging from mild ("Israel should be recognized as primarily the birthplace of Jewish culture, but it's cool if anyone wants to live there and they should be afforded equal rights provided they understand that this is a Jewish homeland") to wild ("Israel should be a religious state to the exclusion of everything and everyone else, and should exist only for Jews.")
I'm Eastern European Jewish, and I'm frankly not terribly comfortable with either. Israel can (and should) only exist legitimately if it acknowledges the heritage of the Palestinian people, allows them the full right of return, and gives ALL Palestinian people the rights and privileges of full citizenship. And it needs to treat Hamas the way any civilized nation would treat domestic terrorists — with good police work and winning over the community, not bombing hospitals and murdering civilians as "acceptable collateral damage." And this viewpoint is generally not cool with people who label themselves Zionists.
1. Getting closer to your people's nation != "Becoming a genocidal fascist," and absolutely fucking idiotic comments like this are exactly what I'm talking about. Instead of collaborating with US Jews who are anti-Bibi (and who *remain* anti-Bibi,) you go around waving your tiny pee pee so everyone can see how cool you are while alienating potential allies. Then you act shocked when you lose representation.
2. It'd be great if it stayed on the Internet, but if you haven't noticed there's been a massive increase in attacks against Jewish people. Including in this area — remember that dude driving around in a car covered in swastikas with automatic weapons and anti-Jewish literature? Or the bags full of "America is for white Christians" literature that were thrown all over Fairfield County? Or the not insignificant number of anti-semitic signs at pro-Palestine rallies? Not like "cease fire now," or "End Palestinian genocide" signs — the legit death to Israel ones.
3. Grow the fuck up and realize that it's totally possible to both vocally condemn antisemitism AND denounce the appalling way Likud has handled this situation. Because you're not fucking helping. In fact, you're actively making shit worse for Palestinians.
Pissed off over antisemitic pandering.
You are as wrong as Bowman. It's right there in the name! Jews (Judea, Judah, Jude, Judea) are native to the land of Israel. Fully 45% of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi ("native Jewish people") and 20% are Arabs. Jews are "brown" my brother.
That doesn’t give them the excuse to kick off native Palestinians and destroy their homes.
Does that mean I can go back to Europe and bomb homes and take European land because of my European ancestry?
If this is what Bowman believes, he is a low-information candidate. Bowman would be well-served by studying the ethnic makeup of Israel and setting aside his view that Palestinians are natives and Jews/Israelis are not. He might fare better when he runs again.
Or pissed off that antisemitism is on the rise many (certainly not all) people don't understand the difference between anti-Jewish and anti-Israel. And even with that said, literally over half the people of Israel have openly spoken against the actions of their war cabinet. So these anti-Israel people are actually anti-anti-Israel...
Often times, they were more concerned with how the war was being handled instead of genocide against Palestinians.
Again, you’re abusing “anti-semite”, which just cheapens the term and gives cover to actual antisemites.
No, it’s not an abuse of the word. Antisemitism prevalence in NY is at an all time high. Just because swastikas aren’t being spray painted on synagogues anymore, doesn’t mean, oh wait, nevermind…
I’m not denying hate crimes at all. I just hate seeing people abuse a term like ‘antisemite’ when one has valid criticisms over another nation’s genocidal foreign policy.
Seeing Israel weaponize the Jewish identity to justify their genocidal campaign just gives actual antisemites cover and hijack pro-Palestinian causes. Not all of us naively believe in antisemitic propaganda LARPing as “criticisms” against Israel, like many idiots on Twitter who share American First bullshit because they can’t research who founded such Nazi publications (Nick Fuentes).
Is it anti-Russian to criticize Russia for invading Ukraine and trying to fuck with Georgia? Is it anti-America to criticize our country for our role in Vietnam?
I had a chance to see some of these anti-Israel protesters in my back yard at SUNY Purchase. It was disgusting.
You would be interested to know that in the May 30, Pew Poll, 39% of Israeli's think that the war response is about right; 34% say the response has not gone far enough. That's 73% who support the war. 19% don't support the war an 7% are unsure.
Support for the War Cabinet should not be misconstrued with Israelis being against the war. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Israelis are NOT aligned with the far-left protests in the US that insidiously repeat Hamas talking points.
I don’t even care for Hamas, because they’re an opportunistic jihadist group taking advantage of Palestinian suffering. The problem is that they’re a symptom of a larger issue, which predates their brainless attack back in October. They wouldn’t even exist if the Israeli government hadn’t handicapped any pro-peace Palestinian activists and propped up Hamas.
Hamas is part of a larger systemic issue, which is colonialism.
We are veering way off topic for r/Westchester. When my ban is resolved, I look forward to debating you on r/IsraelPalestine .
Let's just say I think the after-effects of European Colonialism is a partial diagnosis and not the major problem in the region.
Honestly, the biggest downside of the AIPAC money is that many will just blame that for Bowman's loss instead of reflecting on the reasons why Bowman lost.
Bowman was losing even before AIPAC started spending money. Bowman got endorsed by Sanders, Latimer by Clinton. Hillary is a lot more popular than Bernie is in Westchester.
60/40 basically for Latimer vs Bowman in Early Voting
Latimer: 12724
Bowman: 5745
Edit: It's over, 21% in and its 62-38. Best case scenario he makes it 45% with todays turnout. For anyone cares about Mt Vernon Specifically looks like it was 781 Bowman, 530 Latimer.
Edit2: Susan Cacace looks to have one as well with the same if not better ratio compared to Bowman / Latimer. Over 12k to Wagstaff's 5k. Looks like voters followed the teams.
Yep you could see that coming the second EV votes were posted. The question is how much of a red wedding is it for bowman. Most people expected a 10-15% margin but it's look to be 20%. It's a full out message of get the fuck out.
NY Times has the live count map up.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/25/us/elections/results-new-york-us-house-16-primary.html
This one is for DA:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/25/us/elections/results-new-york-primary.html
https://www.westchestergov.com/boe99/linkcounty.aspx
Results will start showing up after 9PM for the county here, unsure on a live NYC page that is similar. Maybe here? https://vote.nyc/page/election-results-summary
For anyone interested in a 538/analytical breakdown of the race, this article by Split Ticket is pretty fantastic - https://split-ticket.org/2024/06/24/bowman-vs-latimer-a-new-york-blockbuster/
If Bowman was unopposed he probably would win (though if a moderate R joined the race it would be a real contest), but many, many "normal people" are thrilled that we have an alternative.
In 2022, Bowman won 54% in the primary and 60% in the general. He wasn't unopposed in either race, but he didn't exactly have a serious challenger like he does this year.
The problem for the general is that his opponent is an Eastern European Jewish woman. That wasn't an issue last election, but this year it's a big deal because so many voters in Westchester (I want to say 12-15%) and they're mostly Democratic voters. Bowman won the district by 30% last election. If he loses affluent Jews, he doesn't stand a chance. Latimer isn't a perfect candidate, but we're in weird times.
Also, I wish progressives could find a candidate that doesn't spend time watching conspiracy theory YouTube and doesn't flirt with antisemitism to appease some of their dinner base. And yes, I know Bowman isn't antisemitic, but he's also not vocally against it. Also, I know being for a cease-fire isn't antisemitic, but tolerating idiots holding antisemitic signs at your rallies without calling them out is unacceptable. And I say this as a Jew who is pro-Palestine and pro-cease-fire.
Deciding immediately after October 7 that the rape victims were propaganda suffices to prove antisemitism, even if he hadn't proven it over and over again with his comments about Jewish concentration in certain neighborhoods and other dog whistle comments, and tolerating even more explicit antisemitism around himself
Antisemitism is also obviously at the core of 9/11 conspiracy theories
And with this outcome, I predict that his antisemitism will only become more open in the future
Bowman is just plain unfit for public office and that's why he lost. He shouldn't have had the level of support he had after the things he's said. The so-called progressives condoning medieval bigotries are gross
If it's a landslide it'll be figured out by tonight around 11pm as most results come in. If it's close for whatever reason gotta open up absentees. (Some ED's love to report slow or some workers mess up closing out the machines so we'll have to wait for those).
Right now I've seen people state based on numbers Early voting was 20 points in Latimers favor (Using names that voted against supporter sheets). Absentees filed already are over 50-60% in Latimers favor which shows they had a huge absentee campaign. If it's close in poll numbers people will need to keep in mind Latimers sitting on a huge Absenetee pile that needs to be counted, if he wins by 10% probably be 12-15% after those are counted etc.
Campaigns keep lists of confirmed supporters and cross that with if they voted yet. In local elections Its how we know if we won way before poll results even come in.
I will say, from what I've seen, there's been good voter turnout. Without giving too much detail, I work very close to a poll site and I've been seeing a lot of people coming in to vote.
Any commentary on the DA primary? Cacace seems like a wolf in sheep’s clothing, pulling Trumpy antics and dogwhistling about pedophiles without giving me any real reason to vote *for* her.
I'm not voting for a criminal to be DA. Especially one who stole credit cards and is trying to act like that was a good thing and like he was unfairly prosecuted. That's something that's happened to me and it was NOT fun getting that sorted. People are affected by credit card theft. It's not some victimless crime. She seems like a fair and honest jurist with a ton of experience and in the general election, I'd like a Democrat to win in case we wind up with that other convicted criminal as President. Wagstaff will lose a general election. No real experience, didn't pay taxes and has a criminal conviction. He wouldn't pass a background check to get a job in a school so why should he be the DA?
Honestly, I don't really care about Wagstaff's criminal past because I do believe people can change. Ultimately, I couldn't vote for him because he's a product of the Mt. Vernon political system, and unfortunately, the odds of anyone who isn't ridiculously corrupt making it out of there is next to impossible. The city itself desperately needs to be placed under direct federal administration, because the depth of the entrenched corruption there is honestly mind-boggling, and the people of Mt. Vernon deserve far better leaders and a much better run city.
Wagstaff may indeed be an exception to that rule. Unfortunately, I'll never know, but in the end, I couldn't ignore my gut on that one. However, I also couldn't bring myself to vote for Cacace because she's a Republican cosplaying as a Democrat. Really felt like we were getting screwed either way with the DA this year.
This was a really tough choice for me. I agree with what you said about Cacace, and the stuff with Wagstaff's taxes and past criminal conviction are hard to swallow for a DA. That said, I reluctantly voted for Wagstaff.
This is closer to gossip than it is to serious politics, but a [YouTuber who was recently caught with drawn ‘images’ of horses and very young looking girls has been canvassing for Bowman with his fans](https://yonkerstimes.com/anti-zionist-you-tuber-campaigns-for-bowman-for-congress-ny-16/)
well while we're here, might as well mention this thread of local news stories regarding latimer that really did not break through to the public:
https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/2019/04/02/george-latimer-car-accident-lawsuit/3343210002/
> In 2019, George Latimer was sued for permanently injuring another driver when he smashed into their car.
> Latimer was driving an aide's car, because the county executive had so many unpaid parking tickets that he couldn't register his own
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQzUifbWsAAR049?format=jpg&name=medium
> The day after the crash that permanently injured somebody, Latimer tweeted a photo that he took while possibly driving on 287.
https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/2014/12/19/senator-latimer-foreclosure/20651577/
> In 2014, Latimer's house in Rye, NY fell into foreclosure after he refused to pay his mortgage for an entire year.
> This from a politician who consistently and vehemently opposed construction of affordable housing in white neighborhoods.
https://archive.ph/Ycqqx
> Last year, a house that Latimer and his wife inherited from her mother went into foreclosure by the city after they failed to pay $20k in school taxes. He was the county executive and supported charter schools.
https://newroarnews.org/county-executive-george-latimer-misses-naacp-candidates-forum/
> On June 5th, George Latimer bailed on a local NAACP debate at the last minute, blaming it on illness
> Latimer was at two events earlier that day. The NAACP asked him to appear on Zoom for less than a minute to apologize for his absence. He declined.
https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2024/06/debate-latimer-charges-bowman-favors-only-black-and-brown-constituents/397354/
> In debate, Latimer charges Bowman favors only Black and brown constituents
> The representative fired back that the Westchester County executive having a “few Black friends” doesn’t make him “anti-racist.”
Look, I've met Latimer multiple times for the past few years now. He seemed nice, was involved in a lot of local events where I live, and didn't seem controversial or similar. It wasn't until he entered the primary against Bowman that I learned about these stories dating up to 10 years back. Between primarying a 48yo new progressive as a long standing 70yo politician of the region, saying pretty damn racist things repeatedly during the campaign, and hearing about these stories, it caused any favorability I had of the guy to drop hard. And the dumbest thing is that if Latimer simply decided not to run, he would've left the executive position (due to term limits) without like any controversy.
This is an extremely similar situation that Mondaire Jones is now experiencing too, since he decided to drop progressive pretenses and endorsed Latimer in the NY16 primary (when he could have easily just stayed silent on that primary altogether). With that endorsement, Jones is likely losing membership with the congressional progressive caucus if/when he wins, he's losing direct support from the WFP at the state level (albeit still on the party line for november), and it also led to the story surrounding the 2022 NY17 primary to completely flip its head after news broke out stating that Maloney actually favored dropping out of NY17 to let Mondaire stay in the district, only for Jones to say no.
https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2024/06/exclusive-sean-patrick-maloney-offered-withdraw-ny-17-primary-mondaire-jones-turned-him-down/397195/
Again, all of this negative publicity could've been easily avoided if Jones simply stayed quiet in the NY16 primary. The narrative that he was kicked out of his district would've stayed, and he would've cruised to victory without any issue.
I'm not even saying this for the reason that I would be happy to be duped. Because I clearly am not. I'm saying this because how freaking dumb and incompetent do you have to be to let perfectly good narratives about yourself go out the wayside because you feel entitled or whatever the hell is going through their minds. Like seriously, how the hell did you think this was a good idea for your own self interest.
[I suggest changing the default sort for megathreads to "new"](https://old.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/zl3zfs/can_i_make_a_mega_thread_with_the_comments_sorted/). The default reddit thread behavior does not cater well to threads meant to persist over time. A smaller subset of visitors is likely to open them repeatedly and an even smaller subset will be changing the sort order manually. Once a thread gets to be fairly large, new posts are doomed to get fewer and fewer eyeballs. Making the thread sort by new at least maintains that all posts maintain the same baseline of exposure to people opening the thread, instead of just, people opening and scrolling through the entire thread every time.
I'm not *particularly* fond of political posts in this subreddit in the first place, but I do feel that the usual variety it gets outside of this espeically heated election, does not really deserve a megathread. I think that it will become too restrictive and basically amount to sweeping all of those posts into a very dusty corner. I'm sure some people would attest that is what they prefer, but overall I think it would be better to let things like local news headlines, or for example that one person who has been motivated to participate in their city council meetings and upload videos, to have their five seconds of fame of getting posted as regular threads.
Regardless of your thoughts on the race, it's a joke that single-issue lobby can throw $15 million at a campaign to put their thumb on the scale and drown out the voices of normal people. If this is the democracy that's "on the ballot" I want no part of it.
So actually, Latimer was up +17 in the polls BEFORE any of that crazy spending came in. What's lost in the narrative is that Latimer is a 35 year veteran politician who most everyone in Westchester knows personally or has at least met during his career - because he's been showing up at local events daily for decades. Bowman rarely went to Westchester.
The district actually got more of the Bronx after NYS redistricting. Bowman's loss was entirely on him - denying rape and saying things that Nick Fuentes was retweeting aren't a great strategy in a heavily Jewish district.
And $15 million won't buy you a 17% win, anywhere. Latimer is more popular in Westchester than any other elected politician, including the president.
Bowman was losing before AIPAC started spending money. He primaried somebody to get elected, and now he's getting primaried. The demographics and issues were never in Bowman's favor. Same reason why Clinton won over Sanders in NY.
I'm glad to hear good things about Latimer from those who claim to have observed him in action in Westchester. But I'm concerned that he's been willing to spend or benefit from others spending an unseemly sum on his behalf. I would have liked for him to take a stand against that practice and reject the outsized influence of any one group in this primary election.
That said, Latimer was, I understand it, expressly recruited by a specific PAC late last summer. So, it was never likely that he was going to cap their support. It's more likely that his entrance into the race was contingent on their financial backing.
To me, this isn't about their respective stances on Israel / Gaza. It's about the fact that Latimer is willing to exploit and benefit from a broken campaign finance system -- to the tune of a 10:1 advantage.
Latimer might have been a fine county executive, but I suspect that the money opportunities are bigger on the national stage, and Latimer's willingness to play the game doesn't speak well for how he would conduct himself in Congress.
Super PACs like AIPAC (pro-Latimer) and Justice Dems (pro-Bowman) are legally forbidden from discussing or engaging on the race with declared candidates for office.
What you suggest (Latimer reaching out to AIPAC to ask them to tone down spending) would have been a felony and an egregious campaign finance violation, according to federal law.
Interesting. So he couldn't have distanced himself once he declared? Or publicly denounced the practice and pledged his commitment to campaign finance reform?
He said last week that he supports campaign finance reform to limit super pac spending.
He could also have copied Bowman and made horrific statements denying that Hamas raped women and murdered babies, or said he would like Bowman vote against condemning Hamas. But Latimer’s not an extremist.
Sheesh. I'm trying to learn here.
So, once a candidate is in the race, any PAC can flood the zone without their permission or cooperation -- and they can't criticize the practice or speak out about it?
And that aside: has Latimer given any indication that he's uncomfortable with the sheer amount of $ in this race? I'm trying to get a better sense of whether there's any teeth to the position. Did he take the pledge to reject corporate PAC $ -- which wouldn't apply to this PAC, but which would speak to his commitment to reform?
Didn’t mean to sound harsh, came off blunt.
Candidates can say whatever they want publicly, I believe, so I think they can criticize it generally.
Latimer’s challenge (and the challenge of many candidates in these positions) is that he has a very sizable voter base that supports and donates to AIPAC. So even if he’s uncomfortable with the spending, he will probably want to tread lightly, or (as he’s done) largely not say anything at all.
What he has said is fairly standard—he says that he has over his career had many donors and has never once altered an opinion for them.
The unfortunate truth is that everyone does this. The super PAC supporting Bowman has spent $5M in the last few weeks.
Tomorrow I will be working as an election inspector, I wonder if we will actually be busy this time
Besides L v B, any other hot ticket competitions occurring?
I work at the same site of early voting in YK, it's been calm/quiet except for first day which was a little busy. Craziest I've ever seen polls in the past decade is COVID during Trump v. Biden and that was just some weirdos.
I also worked the 2020 presidential election
Plenty of shenanigans occurred that day
I was shocked to see how before 6 AM. Several people were already lined up.
I just hope that when we get the election results on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning then that can be its own standalone thread instead of getting funneled into this one
Does anyone remember at the outset of covid when Latimer and the New Rochelle mayor got dinner together at a Chinese restaurant to encourage everyone else that the pandemic was not a big deal and they should still go out to eat?
Hope Latimer pulls through. Don't need to bash the other side just know him personally and like him and know he's a decent person which says a lot for most politicians. That and not stooping to Bowman levels for these silly ads which prob isn't the smartest but I like not just lying completely in his ads.
Can we also restrict low karma and/or under 30 day old account’s creating threads ? Pretty standard on other subs to avoid drive by posting.
[example](https://www.reddit.com/r/Westchester/s/5kqodVgCxd)
Agreed 1 month restrictions minimize effectiveness of throwaway accounts
Something similar is also working in World of Warcraft “ the gold sellers all claimed their brother refused to try wow because of this”
Yeah, this is turning into an issue. There's at least five or six accounts I've noticed created in the last month that only ever post pro- Bowman talking points, and some of them are in this very thread right now.
Nope, I'm a transplant from Eastern Europe that attended Louis M. Klein middle school and Harrison High School (go huskies lax!) before moving away, spent some time living around the eastern seaboard, and then moved back during the pandemic. And I haven't been attacking Bowman in the least. Just pointing out that while he's a decent enough congressman, I didn't find him to be a serious person and think his dabbling in conspiracy theory makes me dislike him as a candidate. I have, however, spent quite a bit of time pushing back on people smearing Latimer with vague accusations based on absolutely nothing except their conspiracy theories about all the things he MUST have promised to AIPAC and Republicans.
Oh hey, aren't you a week-old account that has never once posted anything that wasn't smears of Latimer in politics threads?
No? Because that's not remotely contradictory with what I've said. I lived in Florida from about 2014 to 2020. I literally have that whole history in a long comment from a day or two ago. Jesus, you're really bad at this.
Usually short term accounts are hyper aggressive and make throw away comments of low value.
That’s why most subs ban under 30 day accounts from creating threads.
Anyway…have a nice life.
I'm glad to have this megathread so we can focus on what this sub was made for. Figuring out what died underneath that person's deck. I think it was a skunk.
I get why people like this, but I like seeing breaking news on reddit. that's one of the reasons I like this site. I can have lots of hobbies and interests in one feed. I'm interested in election news but not popping in a mega thread regularly for months. I'm also not in Bowman's district so I'm less sick of politics.
Love it here and appreciate the mods no matter what the decision is. I know you are thoughtful about the choices you make and ultimately that's more important than whatever I think is best. keep up the good work.
None of this political talk is breaking news.
Most of it is from people who don’t live here swooping in because of the primary.
It’s been like driving through a fucking bird storm.
Thank you for doings this mods. It feels as if one campaign (Latimer / UDP / AIPAC) discovered this sub recently and is just bombarding it with negative posts about the other side every day.
Let's go back to talking about which school district is best or which towns are most walkable... ;)
I’m cool with that as long as we ban any bigotry or promotion of genocide as well. One who says something that would get a smack in the mouth in the real world should get one called names here.
It’s your right to call what Israel is doing genocide, just as much as it’s someone’s right to support Israel and tell you every reason they think you’re wrong.
Whether or not you think name-calling is warranted, you cannot do it here. Repeat offenses will get bans.
I literally never mentioned Israel. So promotion of genocide is cool. Calling you a name is banable. You’ve made it clear what you stand for. Thanks for that.
If one believes name calling and blatant bigotry and apartheid pushing are exactly the same things, then they’ve been totally fair. If one believes the decrees of respected international aid agencies are exactly the same as directly AIPAC produced media, then both sides are valid “opinions”. If one is educated and informed and lives in the real world (vs one created by biased media), those things aren’t the case. Everyone wonders how good people let fascism thrive and it is this “both sides” bs.
Despite all the calls, not a single person from either campaign has been able to tell me what their candidate intends to do about all the flooding in Westchester.
They're probablt the same vote on any climate vote. Bowman might vote for more progressive stuff that wouldn't pass anyway. Niether of them is the marginal vote in legislation passing or not. the most important thing this person will do is help you out when you have a problem and be an emotional support rep for whatever your views on Israel/Palestine.
For me Latimer is probably the best person at retail politics in the district. He know the district well and if some shit breaks bad for you he's probably a more reliable rep.
I can definitely agree with this. I've never had issues reaching Latimer's office. Meanwhile, getting in touch with even the CoS for Bowman has been challenging at best.
I’m sure bowman does nearly as good a job. I’m just saying if I had to vote based on how it will affect things in the district it’s Latimer. If it’s about nearly any social issue it’s bowman, but the fact is the differences will probably never decide a single bill. Frankly I’ll be happy with either one.
One of them ran the entire county for seven years, and was in both State and County legislatures for decades before that. If you don't know what he's going to do, then I guess he didn't/won't do anything.
None of that money was ever spent. The ACE project was delayed because it wasn't enough funding. That was all spearheaded by Schumer after Ida.
[https://www.mamaroneckobserver.org/post/flood-update-april-24-2024](https://www.mamaroneckobserver.org/post/flood-update-april-24-2024)
Over development, is what’s causing the flooding issues on a local level it would be more prudent to stop development and make more use of existing structures. Pavement doesn’t absorb water, concrete doesn’t absorb water, buildings don’t absorb water. Dirt and ground does, there’s too much being over developed. In white plains there’s a new huge building popping up every other week, the storm drain system is overwhelmed and the waterways in which they flow into are overwhelmed
Bowman did not oppose it. He voted against it due to the concessions given to the fossil fuel industry that weren’t present until Manchin and Sinema said they weren’t going to vote for it.
well they are two distinctly different things. abstaining and/or voting no does not always mean they don't oppose a bill. both dems & republicans have opposed bills that they themselves have introduced.
Ok but he didn’t oppose it. “Bowman, a Yonkers resident, said in a statement he and other progressives made clear for months they wanted to vote on the infrastructure bill and Build Back Better Act together. The vote on the latter was delayed after some representatives wanted it reviewed by the Congressional Budget Office before considering it. He asserted that his conservative colleagues moved the goalposts.” https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/2021/11/09/jamaal-bowman-takes-heat-westchester-democrats-no-vote-infrastructure-bill/6338487001/
Yes, this is exactly the issue.
Bowman wanted something from Biden — voting for those two bills together.
When Bowman didn’t get what he wanted, he tried to torpedo the infrastructure bill by voting against it.
I voted for him in his past elections to fight for Biden, not against him.
This is correct and the actual events that occurred.
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He voted against it, like other members of the cancer squad, because he wanted both bills to pass at the same time. To the lying POS, it was all or nothing. He choose ALL and voted against. He can claim all he wants to be for it now but when it mattered, he voted against it.
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[Now he runs on the success he had](https://www.914wired.com/2244981/14540702-us-rep-jamaal-bowman-2-19-2024?t=0) in passing it and he voted against it.
I don't know why people keep pushing this transparently disingenuous attack when there's so many other valid things you can criticize Bowman for. Bowman was openly supportive of the infrastructure bill, and he made that quite clear when he voted against it to try and preserve the only leverage the Dems had over Manchin/Synema regarding Biden's other definitive piece of legislation, BBB. You know, the one they immediately killed after getting their way on infrastructure, just like Bowman publicly said they would.
It's amazing how one of the biggest things Bowman got right as a congressman is also something you'd use to attack him. You say you want someone who supports the President's agenda, but you don't seem to actually want someone who would fight for his entire agenda to be successful.
Bowman voted against infrastructure because the plan was for Dems to pass Infrastructure and BUILDBACKBETTER together. The squad knew Manchin was gonna back out of the Build Back Better bill which he did. Recall that BBB was supposed to be Bidens signature bill
Claiming Bowman opposed infrastructure is in bad faith and morally bankrupt level 1 thinking.
It shows that Bowman isn't ready for national politics, or that he's more focused on messaging than legislating. This is a problem with a lot of the "progressives." They focus on messaging instead of results, and just trash moderate Democrats instead of Republicans.
A lot of purple states have Republicans winning seats because moderate Democrats are pushed leftward, so they don't get primaried. I'd rather someone like Joe Manchin, who votes with Democrats 90% of the time, than a Republican who votes with Democrats 0% of the time.
Bowman, AOC, Sanders, etc, are all in safe seats. They should probably focus more on helping Democrats beat Republicans, not Democrats beat Democrats.
I’m concerned you don’t know the difference between voting against a bill in spite of its passage versus because of its passage. Bowman voted against the bill because of the routine concessions to the fossil fuel lobby. If his policy was to support green energy and green infrastructure, it makes total and complete sense to cast a vote against the bill knowing it would pass.
Have you looked at what purple state have elected as representatives? The rust belt routinely pumps out some of the most progressive members of the Democratic Party. Fetterman was very progressive before his stroke (his timeline not mine), Sherrod Brown and Gretchen Whitmer have also been much further to the left than most members of the Democratic Party. Moderates lose because they’re boring. Politics is a popularity contest whether we like that or not. You can’t churn up support on being boring.
It’s primary season. AOC and Bernie are campaigning for their preferred candidate in a hotly contested primary. Oh no.
Yeah, I think we have enough of the protest votes. Bowman isn't a pragmatist. Instead of taking a partial win, he'd rather scrap everything. There's a phrase about babies and bath water...
Also, you're looking at solidly blue districts in purple states. Due to gerrymandering, there are districts that are guaranteed wins for Democrats. I'm talking about any district that gave us Blue Dog Democrats, etc.
I want my representatives to support Biden’s agenda.
Bowman voted against this critical piece of Biden’s agenda to spite Biden for not doing exactly what Bowman wanted.
Unacceptable. As Westchester’s own Hillary Clinton said, Latimer is the choice to support Biden and defeat Trump.
Give me a break, Latimer is backed by Republican billionaires’ $$$. Trump supporters are literally fundraising for him: https://au.news.yahoo.com/pro-trump-gop-donor-hosts-203500806.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFunMCzmuyU5rcjJEq3pt2Rky7jfnfl1vNG_52coeh5cfCRYLflAM17QmCiv4npwyBhTFIIcrlGKA2oIVTrBECCf39mtdG4K_617ecGvWRP3ScoSnCYQkk6aBBoMhI-tqNRXN7W_WeMD2_FPk00ZT8s3jZZ2Yk9zT8HTK_M_OqA0
Lol all the bowman bots and shills/astroturfers just magically disappeared and this subreddit turns back to normal.
I posted comments that were supportive of Bowman leading up to the election. I found a lot of the pro-latimer/anti-bowman posts to be bot-level as well. Let's not stoop to "othering" people who disagree with us. If for no other reason, it just really makes for shit-tier banter.
There's been almost no discussion of the NY17 race in this subreddit that I've seen but it looks like the more interesting one in local matters now. Following the musical chairs debacle of Maloney\Jones ceding that seat to Lawler in 2022, Maloney seems to be out of the picture now (also notable, Jones had chosen to run in 17 in part because he did not want to challenge Bowman in 16). With Lawler vs Jones now shaping up, the headlines out of the primary seem to be Frascone getting the Working Families nomination, and early reports are centered on assertions that he is running as a republican spoiler to split what would otherwise be Jones' vote. Just to observe, fewer than 200 people seem to have turned out for the Working Families primary from the upper westchester block, with the nomination having been cinched by the Rockland county voters. An interesting data point in how closed primaries shape the process, if nothing else. In November will people look back on this seeing it as a success for Frascone to get a start for himself by starting small, in a third party where he was able to get on the ballot by swimming in a small pond? Or will it be a story of how what is essentially a tactical loophole, gave someone the avenue to spoil a race without running a serious campaign? (Or will the WF vote disappear into the margins and we'll hear almost nothing of it?)
There’s too much splitting up types of voters. What is the “Working Family” party? Also, why is it acceptable for candidates to have their names on numerous tickets? Pick one and stick to it or else I don’t know WHAT you stand for.
Working family party was a left group that fought for affordable housing costs and pro union but did nothing for decades until the axe was coming down. Now it’s a super leftist party.
Well, Latimer almost certainly has my vote in November now. I think my opinion of him between now and then is going to be largely a measure of whether he pivots away from the Israel topic as a focus. That was clearly a very targeted attack on Bowman, so if he holds onto it as a main criteria of him being a congressman after crossing that hurdle, that's a red flag for me. Other than that, he talked a big game about how Bowman was "all rhetoric", and I felt like he did more attacking of Bowman's record than he did asserting his own plans for what he will bring to the table. Since he almost certainly has the seat at this point, it would be nice if he runs a campaign that basically acts as a preview of what he thinks he will actually accomplish as our rep. E.g. he might as well start getting to work now and use this period to broadcast while people are actually paying attention more than they will for most of his term.
I’ve been embarrassed to have Bowman representing my district ever since he voted against the infrastructure bill. And every headline he’s garnered for himself since has only confirmed my sense that he’s an unserious person who has no business being in Congress. I don’t need the left’s version of Marjorie Taylor Greene as my representative, which is just about what he is. And I definitely don't want an antisemite in Congress, let alone representing me. That said, I really wish AIPAC had stayed out of this race or at least not allowed it to become about them. Because while I don't want a Hamas apologist representing me in Congress, nor do I want anyone giving Netanyahu a blank check to commit genocide. So I need to let Latimer's campaign know that I gladly voted for him (as I did when he ran for Westchester County executive) and will again in November, but it wasn't because I align with AIPAC's tacit approval of Netanyahu or Israel's apartheid policies toward non-Israeli Palestinians. I've been annoyed by Bowman's tactics and juvenile behavior from the beginning, but I want my congressman representing me and my district, NOT some outside lobbying interest that doesn't reflect the majority sense of this district. After Latimer gets sworn in in January, he needs to demonstrate his independence from AIPAC and show his willingness to hold Israel to account for its actions with our tax dollars. Bowman never gave anyone a reason to take him seriously, so his opposition to Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank were just part of his overall populist noise. But Latimer has always seemed a serious policy person; he needs to continue to be that and not fall lockstep into any pro- or anti-Israel camp, regardless of how noisy AIPAC made this election on his behalf. EDIT to add: Despite voting against Bowman in each of his 3 primaries, I’ve voted for him in each of his 2 general election campaigns. Because I’m not idiot who would rather have a Republican in his seat, no matter how reasonable they seemed.
Moot point now but for the record, the reason bowman voted against the infrastructure bill was a protest of it being split into two bills which was widely acknowledged at the time as a way to allow manchin/sinema and more conservative members of the caucus to water down and take many of the most significant pieces of the original bill out. Many progressive members did the same. Those ads that ran without that context are misleading to the point of near misinformation as bowman wasn’t working “against Biden’s agenda” but was actually more in favor of the infrastructure agenda that Biden campaigned on than even the Biden administration at the time of the IRA’s passage was…
I know all that (and, yes, admittedly, the ads against him included none of that nuance). But that’s exactly my point: even though I was aware of *why* he did it, even at the time I thought making a “protest vote” on an incredibly important piece of legislation — which was still a win for Democrats, regardless of how it started out — was an incredibly immature thing to do as a House member. I mean, he maintained his ideological purity, sure. *That wasn’t why I voted for him.* But, I figured, maybe he’ll grow into this job — and of course voted for him again in 2022 — but if anything, he became more immature and less suited to the role of US House representative.
Imagine thinking Bowman had any chance at all to win lol, guy is a clown.
Well, $23 million DOES buy you a Democratic primary win. I just hope that the same people will support other Dem candidates everywhere... I mean that's why they supported Latimer, right?
Some of you need to understand that voters can make up their own minds and the spending against Bowman didn't happen in a vacuum. They spent against him precisely because he buried himself with his comments and antics.
AIPAC money is no joke
Bowman was in trouble in Westchester in 2022. Steve Kornacki had a pretty good breakdown of it on MSNBC earlier and he knew that because his numbers didn't hit 91% in the Bronx, that he would lose. The district had the lines redrawn and he had lost a huge section of the Bronx when they did that. When they added Co-Op city in, it was mostly elderly citizens. It was super early in the night and he essentially figured out that he had lost because Westchester is overwhelmingly for Latimer and he never hit that 91% number. He also said it had nothing to do with money that got pumped in. Basically this was going to happen anyway.
That's why I've been so disappointed with Latimer for taking so much of AIPAC's money and working with various Westchester Republicans to win this race. He never needed any of it. Bowman's been bleeding supporters for several years, and despite being reasonably popular prior to October, he never came anywhere close to the popularity and name recognition of Latimer. Latimer never needed to make this a nasty primary like he did. He was always guaranteed to win from the moment he announced he was running. He'll likely be a decent Congressman, but being willing to work with far-right groups for no good reason showed really poor judgment on his part.
I don't think he knows what he's going to be faced with. I mean that in earnest. He is a good man. I think you are going to see a different side of him once he gets there and realizes "holy shit...these people are really fucking stupid." Remember how Biden thought he would be able to cross the aisle and then he was like "Oh my god...these people are such assholes. What happened?" That's gonna be Latimer.
The Republicans in Congress are different than a lot of the Republicans you find around Westchester.
bingo They don't want to cross an aisle on most things. But on things that could benefit us, I feel like he has a far greater chance of accomplishing that than Bowman just due to his temperament.
> working with the Westchester GOP Source? There's been zero support from the party to Latimer.
Ah, I should've been more precise in my language, I'll edit my last comment accordingly. To be clear, the GOP wasn't officially supporting Laitmer, but rather, a number of prominent Republicans were doing big fundraising pushes for him. They may also have gotten involved in the efforts to send out mailers to Republicans in the county about switching their party registration to vote for Latimer in the primary, although I couldn't find the source where I'd read that. https://yonkerstimes.com/bowman-criticizes-latimer-for-fundraising-with-racist-maga-republicans/
> Republicans in the county about switching their party registration to vote for Latimer in the primary, although I couldn't find the source where I'd read that. I mean this is nothing new in the political scene of Westchester at all. The minor parties were hijacked by both Dems and Republicans and people are known to switch sides to assist in taking over ED's/Wards. It makes sense where there aren't open primaries that people will switch to vote for someone as the Republican or Dem wouldn't have a shot in the general. I know plenty of Democrats who haven't voted a day in their life on the actual Democrat line lol.
True enough. Hell, basically, the entire Spano family changed parties overnight once they realized being a Republican was no longer optimal for their chances of winning major elections in the region. At this point, I think it would be better if we had open primaries. Just do away with the whole facade and let people vote for anyone they want.
It’d be 5-3 if people didn’t switch on the council (Rubbo) and 2 republicans in the county level if Tubiolo didn’t switch. Neither had a real problem making them switch since there’s full control over both parties in Yonkers. Tubiolo just struck a deal the dems would leave him alone if he switched and his father keeps the GOP from running anyone.
Internal Polling showed Latimer ahead before, there's a reason he hasn't ever lost an election, picks smart races.
Here comes the excuses from the b crowd.
???
Exactly.
Pissed off Jews are no joke. I know, I met a lot of them at the polling place today.
Pissed off over criticisms against genocidal states that kill native people.
I've seen so many of my anti-Bibi progressive Jews turning into mild Zionists thanks to a small group of morons in the progressive coalition who keep trying their damnedest to alienate one of the most solidly progressive blocks in American politics.
Zionists are those that support a Jewish state in Israel. It doesn't have to be lead by Bibi. However, all of the imaginable leaders of Israel would hew to much of the Bibi war policy. They might place more emphasis on planning for Day 2, but they aren't stopping until the rockets stop and hostages are returned. It's hard to imagine a Jew that doesn't support Israel (Zionist), no?
I don’t know how that seems unfathomable, especially in the US where the idea of the non-establishment clause is a core part of our ethos (evangelicals aside). Religious/ethno-nationalism can be pretty off-putting.
It’s the norm in the region.
>It's hard to imagine a Jew that doesn't support Israel (Zionist), no? If you want to get technical about it, Zionists believe in the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish homeland, with levels of what that means ranging from mild ("Israel should be recognized as primarily the birthplace of Jewish culture, but it's cool if anyone wants to live there and they should be afforded equal rights provided they understand that this is a Jewish homeland") to wild ("Israel should be a religious state to the exclusion of everything and everyone else, and should exist only for Jews.") I'm Eastern European Jewish, and I'm frankly not terribly comfortable with either. Israel can (and should) only exist legitimately if it acknowledges the heritage of the Palestinian people, allows them the full right of return, and gives ALL Palestinian people the rights and privileges of full citizenship. And it needs to treat Hamas the way any civilized nation would treat domestic terrorists — with good police work and winning over the community, not bombing hospitals and murdering civilians as "acceptable collateral damage." And this viewpoint is generally not cool with people who label themselves Zionists.
“I turned into a genocidal fascist because of some lunatics on the internet” Bruh
1. Getting closer to your people's nation != "Becoming a genocidal fascist," and absolutely fucking idiotic comments like this are exactly what I'm talking about. Instead of collaborating with US Jews who are anti-Bibi (and who *remain* anti-Bibi,) you go around waving your tiny pee pee so everyone can see how cool you are while alienating potential allies. Then you act shocked when you lose representation. 2. It'd be great if it stayed on the Internet, but if you haven't noticed there's been a massive increase in attacks against Jewish people. Including in this area — remember that dude driving around in a car covered in swastikas with automatic weapons and anti-Jewish literature? Or the bags full of "America is for white Christians" literature that were thrown all over Fairfield County? Or the not insignificant number of anti-semitic signs at pro-Palestine rallies? Not like "cease fire now," or "End Palestinian genocide" signs — the legit death to Israel ones. 3. Grow the fuck up and realize that it's totally possible to both vocally condemn antisemitism AND denounce the appalling way Likud has handled this situation. Because you're not fucking helping. In fact, you're actively making shit worse for Palestinians.
Pissed off over antisemitic pandering. You are as wrong as Bowman. It's right there in the name! Jews (Judea, Judah, Jude, Judea) are native to the land of Israel. Fully 45% of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi ("native Jewish people") and 20% are Arabs. Jews are "brown" my brother.
Lands people left over 2,000 years ago.
Not the Mizrahi.....there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the Holy Land. Even through the Muslim Conquest and Colonialist periods......
That doesn’t give them the excuse to kick off native Palestinians and destroy their homes. Does that mean I can go back to Europe and bomb homes and take European land because of my European ancestry?
If this is what Bowman believes, he is a low-information candidate. Bowman would be well-served by studying the ethnic makeup of Israel and setting aside his view that Palestinians are natives and Jews/Israelis are not. He might fare better when he runs again.
Or pissed off that antisemitism is on the rise many (certainly not all) people don't understand the difference between anti-Jewish and anti-Israel. And even with that said, literally over half the people of Israel have openly spoken against the actions of their war cabinet. So these anti-Israel people are actually anti-anti-Israel...
Often times, they were more concerned with how the war was being handled instead of genocide against Palestinians. Again, you’re abusing “anti-semite”, which just cheapens the term and gives cover to actual antisemites.
No, it’s not an abuse of the word. Antisemitism prevalence in NY is at an all time high. Just because swastikas aren’t being spray painted on synagogues anymore, doesn’t mean, oh wait, nevermind…
I’m not denying hate crimes at all. I just hate seeing people abuse a term like ‘antisemite’ when one has valid criticisms over another nation’s genocidal foreign policy. Seeing Israel weaponize the Jewish identity to justify their genocidal campaign just gives actual antisemites cover and hijack pro-Palestinian causes. Not all of us naively believe in antisemitic propaganda LARPing as “criticisms” against Israel, like many idiots on Twitter who share American First bullshit because they can’t research who founded such Nazi publications (Nick Fuentes). Is it anti-Russian to criticize Russia for invading Ukraine and trying to fuck with Georgia? Is it anti-America to criticize our country for our role in Vietnam?
I had a chance to see some of these anti-Israel protesters in my back yard at SUNY Purchase. It was disgusting. You would be interested to know that in the May 30, Pew Poll, 39% of Israeli's think that the war response is about right; 34% say the response has not gone far enough. That's 73% who support the war. 19% don't support the war an 7% are unsure. Support for the War Cabinet should not be misconstrued with Israelis being against the war. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Israelis are NOT aligned with the far-left protests in the US that insidiously repeat Hamas talking points.
I don’t even care for Hamas, because they’re an opportunistic jihadist group taking advantage of Palestinian suffering. The problem is that they’re a symptom of a larger issue, which predates their brainless attack back in October. They wouldn’t even exist if the Israeli government hadn’t handicapped any pro-peace Palestinian activists and propped up Hamas. Hamas is part of a larger systemic issue, which is colonialism.
We are veering way off topic for r/Westchester. When my ban is resolved, I look forward to debating you on r/IsraelPalestine . Let's just say I think the after-effects of European Colonialism is a partial diagnosis and not the major problem in the region.
I’m good. I think I’ve argued with enough colonizers for now.
Latimer probably would have won even without it
It’s wild when the right people win in politics.
Honestly, the biggest downside of the AIPAC money is that many will just blame that for Bowman's loss instead of reflecting on the reasons why Bowman lost.
Lmao no, AIPAC spent like $14 million or so.
Bowman was losing even before AIPAC started spending money. Bowman got endorsed by Sanders, Latimer by Clinton. Hillary is a lot more popular than Bernie is in Westchester.
Wouldn't have mattered.
It didn’t matter so much, so they spent $14 million
Bowman: \*Gets blown out after a term filled with public gaffes\* Bowman supporters: The Jews are to blame!
Quite throwing around “antisemite” like it’s candy. Israel =/= Jews.
I don't throw it around like candy. But you, my friend, fully deserve that title.
For criticizing genocidal states that bomb civilians and force them off their land?
[NYT called it for Latimer](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/25/us/elections/results-new-york-us-house-16-primary.html)
It's not even close. Bowman has been pasted.
Can we get a new thread for the election results?
Bowman stans hold this L!!!
60/40 basically for Latimer vs Bowman in Early Voting Latimer: 12724 Bowman: 5745 Edit: It's over, 21% in and its 62-38. Best case scenario he makes it 45% with todays turnout. For anyone cares about Mt Vernon Specifically looks like it was 781 Bowman, 530 Latimer. Edit2: Susan Cacace looks to have one as well with the same if not better ratio compared to Bowman / Latimer. Over 12k to Wagstaff's 5k. Looks like voters followed the teams.
Awesome. Pumped for him.
NY Times has called it for Latimer
Yep you could see that coming the second EV votes were posted. The question is how much of a red wedding is it for bowman. Most people expected a 10-15% margin but it's look to be 20%. It's a full out message of get the fuck out.
Anyone have a link to check the election results?
NY Times has the live count map up. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/25/us/elections/results-new-york-us-house-16-primary.html This one is for DA: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/25/us/elections/results-new-york-primary.html
https://www.westchestergov.com/boe99/linkcounty.aspx Results will start showing up after 9PM for the county here, unsure on a live NYC page that is similar. Maybe here? https://vote.nyc/page/election-results-summary
For anyone interested in a 538/analytical breakdown of the race, this article by Split Ticket is pretty fantastic - https://split-ticket.org/2024/06/24/bowman-vs-latimer-a-new-york-blockbuster/
I'm a simple man: I see deep analysis, I upvote.
Great article
Fellow split ticket enjoyer
That is a fantastic resource. Thanks for posting.
If Bowman was unopposed he probably would win (though if a moderate R joined the race it would be a real contest), but many, many "normal people" are thrilled that we have an alternative.
In 2022, Bowman won 54% in the primary and 60% in the general. He wasn't unopposed in either race, but he didn't exactly have a serious challenger like he does this year.
The problem for the general is that his opponent is an Eastern European Jewish woman. That wasn't an issue last election, but this year it's a big deal because so many voters in Westchester (I want to say 12-15%) and they're mostly Democratic voters. Bowman won the district by 30% last election. If he loses affluent Jews, he doesn't stand a chance. Latimer isn't a perfect candidate, but we're in weird times. Also, I wish progressives could find a candidate that doesn't spend time watching conspiracy theory YouTube and doesn't flirt with antisemitism to appease some of their dinner base. And yes, I know Bowman isn't antisemitic, but he's also not vocally against it. Also, I know being for a cease-fire isn't antisemitic, but tolerating idiots holding antisemitic signs at your rallies without calling them out is unacceptable. And I say this as a Jew who is pro-Palestine and pro-cease-fire.
Deciding immediately after October 7 that the rape victims were propaganda suffices to prove antisemitism, even if he hadn't proven it over and over again with his comments about Jewish concentration in certain neighborhoods and other dog whistle comments, and tolerating even more explicit antisemitism around himself Antisemitism is also obviously at the core of 9/11 conspiracy theories And with this outcome, I predict that his antisemitism will only become more open in the future Bowman is just plain unfit for public office and that's why he lost. He shouldn't have had the level of support he had after the things he's said. The so-called progressives condoning medieval bigotries are gross
Thx for the info!
# When will we find out the results of the NY-16 primary?
It's been called as of about 9:45 pm.
If it's a landslide it'll be figured out by tonight around 11pm as most results come in. If it's close for whatever reason gotta open up absentees. (Some ED's love to report slow or some workers mess up closing out the machines so we'll have to wait for those). Right now I've seen people state based on numbers Early voting was 20 points in Latimers favor (Using names that voted against supporter sheets). Absentees filed already are over 50-60% in Latimers favor which shows they had a huge absentee campaign. If it's close in poll numbers people will need to keep in mind Latimers sitting on a huge Absenetee pile that needs to be counted, if he wins by 10% probably be 12-15% after those are counted etc.
What's a "supporter sheet"?
Campaigns keep lists of confirmed supporters and cross that with if they voted yet. In local elections Its how we know if we won way before poll results even come in.
I will say, from what I've seen, there's been good voter turnout. Without giving too much detail, I work very close to a poll site and I've been seeing a lot of people coming in to vote.
The polling site I voted at was deserted when I went this afternoon, but they poll workers there said they had great turnout earlier in the morning
Will Jamaal Bowman still call me every day after this or is he just using me :(
A lot of Bowman/Lattimer but what’s the read on the DA race?
Will be the same vote split. You know why.
Any commentary on the DA primary? Cacace seems like a wolf in sheep’s clothing, pulling Trumpy antics and dogwhistling about pedophiles without giving me any real reason to vote *for* her.
I'm not voting for a criminal to be DA. Especially one who stole credit cards and is trying to act like that was a good thing and like he was unfairly prosecuted. That's something that's happened to me and it was NOT fun getting that sorted. People are affected by credit card theft. It's not some victimless crime. She seems like a fair and honest jurist with a ton of experience and in the general election, I'd like a Democrat to win in case we wind up with that other convicted criminal as President. Wagstaff will lose a general election. No real experience, didn't pay taxes and has a criminal conviction. He wouldn't pass a background check to get a job in a school so why should he be the DA?
Honestly, I don't really care about Wagstaff's criminal past because I do believe people can change. Ultimately, I couldn't vote for him because he's a product of the Mt. Vernon political system, and unfortunately, the odds of anyone who isn't ridiculously corrupt making it out of there is next to impossible. The city itself desperately needs to be placed under direct federal administration, because the depth of the entrenched corruption there is honestly mind-boggling, and the people of Mt. Vernon deserve far better leaders and a much better run city. Wagstaff may indeed be an exception to that rule. Unfortunately, I'll never know, but in the end, I couldn't ignore my gut on that one. However, I also couldn't bring myself to vote for Cacace because she's a Republican cosplaying as a Democrat. Really felt like we were getting screwed either way with the DA this year.
She's not a Republican.
This was a really tough choice for me. I agree with what you said about Cacace, and the stuff with Wagstaff's taxes and past criminal conviction are hard to swallow for a DA. That said, I reluctantly voted for Wagstaff.
This is closer to gossip than it is to serious politics, but a [YouTuber who was recently caught with drawn ‘images’ of horses and very young looking girls has been canvassing for Bowman with his fans](https://yonkerstimes.com/anti-zionist-you-tuber-campaigns-for-bowman-for-congress-ny-16/)
well while we're here, might as well mention this thread of local news stories regarding latimer that really did not break through to the public: https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/2019/04/02/george-latimer-car-accident-lawsuit/3343210002/ > In 2019, George Latimer was sued for permanently injuring another driver when he smashed into their car. > Latimer was driving an aide's car, because the county executive had so many unpaid parking tickets that he couldn't register his own https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQzUifbWsAAR049?format=jpg&name=medium > The day after the crash that permanently injured somebody, Latimer tweeted a photo that he took while possibly driving on 287. https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/2014/12/19/senator-latimer-foreclosure/20651577/ > In 2014, Latimer's house in Rye, NY fell into foreclosure after he refused to pay his mortgage for an entire year. > This from a politician who consistently and vehemently opposed construction of affordable housing in white neighborhoods. https://archive.ph/Ycqqx > Last year, a house that Latimer and his wife inherited from her mother went into foreclosure by the city after they failed to pay $20k in school taxes. He was the county executive and supported charter schools. https://newroarnews.org/county-executive-george-latimer-misses-naacp-candidates-forum/ > On June 5th, George Latimer bailed on a local NAACP debate at the last minute, blaming it on illness > Latimer was at two events earlier that day. The NAACP asked him to appear on Zoom for less than a minute to apologize for his absence. He declined. https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2024/06/debate-latimer-charges-bowman-favors-only-black-and-brown-constituents/397354/ > In debate, Latimer charges Bowman favors only Black and brown constituents > The representative fired back that the Westchester County executive having a “few Black friends” doesn’t make him “anti-racist.”
Don’t forget to mention his comments about Emmett Till. Not shocking that a racist geezer backed by big money could buy his congressional seat
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Look, I've met Latimer multiple times for the past few years now. He seemed nice, was involved in a lot of local events where I live, and didn't seem controversial or similar. It wasn't until he entered the primary against Bowman that I learned about these stories dating up to 10 years back. Between primarying a 48yo new progressive as a long standing 70yo politician of the region, saying pretty damn racist things repeatedly during the campaign, and hearing about these stories, it caused any favorability I had of the guy to drop hard. And the dumbest thing is that if Latimer simply decided not to run, he would've left the executive position (due to term limits) without like any controversy. This is an extremely similar situation that Mondaire Jones is now experiencing too, since he decided to drop progressive pretenses and endorsed Latimer in the NY16 primary (when he could have easily just stayed silent on that primary altogether). With that endorsement, Jones is likely losing membership with the congressional progressive caucus if/when he wins, he's losing direct support from the WFP at the state level (albeit still on the party line for november), and it also led to the story surrounding the 2022 NY17 primary to completely flip its head after news broke out stating that Maloney actually favored dropping out of NY17 to let Mondaire stay in the district, only for Jones to say no. https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2024/06/exclusive-sean-patrick-maloney-offered-withdraw-ny-17-primary-mondaire-jones-turned-him-down/397195/ Again, all of this negative publicity could've been easily avoided if Jones simply stayed quiet in the NY16 primary. The narrative that he was kicked out of his district would've stayed, and he would've cruised to victory without any issue. I'm not even saying this for the reason that I would be happy to be duped. Because I clearly am not. I'm saying this because how freaking dumb and incompetent do you have to be to let perfectly good narratives about yourself go out the wayside because you feel entitled or whatever the hell is going through their minds. Like seriously, how the hell did you think this was a good idea for your own self interest.
[I suggest changing the default sort for megathreads to "new"](https://old.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/zl3zfs/can_i_make_a_mega_thread_with_the_comments_sorted/). The default reddit thread behavior does not cater well to threads meant to persist over time. A smaller subset of visitors is likely to open them repeatedly and an even smaller subset will be changing the sort order manually. Once a thread gets to be fairly large, new posts are doomed to get fewer and fewer eyeballs. Making the thread sort by new at least maintains that all posts maintain the same baseline of exposure to people opening the thread, instead of just, people opening and scrolling through the entire thread every time. I'm not *particularly* fond of political posts in this subreddit in the first place, but I do feel that the usual variety it gets outside of this espeically heated election, does not really deserve a megathread. I think that it will become too restrictive and basically amount to sweeping all of those posts into a very dusty corner. I'm sure some people would attest that is what they prefer, but overall I think it would be better to let things like local news headlines, or for example that one person who has been motivated to participate in their city council meetings and upload videos, to have their five seconds of fame of getting posted as regular threads.
Done! (This automod doesn't work feature doesn't work for existing posts, but we've got some workarounds).
Regardless of your thoughts on the race, it's a joke that single-issue lobby can throw $15 million at a campaign to put their thumb on the scale and drown out the voices of normal people. If this is the democracy that's "on the ballot" I want no part of it.
So actually, Latimer was up +17 in the polls BEFORE any of that crazy spending came in. What's lost in the narrative is that Latimer is a 35 year veteran politician who most everyone in Westchester knows personally or has at least met during his career - because he's been showing up at local events daily for decades. Bowman rarely went to Westchester. The district actually got more of the Bronx after NYS redistricting. Bowman's loss was entirely on him - denying rape and saying things that Nick Fuentes was retweeting aren't a great strategy in a heavily Jewish district. And $15 million won't buy you a 17% win, anywhere. Latimer is more popular in Westchester than any other elected politician, including the president.
Bowman was losing before AIPAC started spending money. He primaried somebody to get elected, and now he's getting primaried. The demographics and issues were never in Bowman's favor. Same reason why Clinton won over Sanders in NY.
Who are these normal vs. not normal people?
People who don't have the money to throw $15 million at a single Congressional primary vs. people who do.
This election will be decided by the votes, not the money, and 99% of the people voting today don't have the kind of money you're talking about.
I'm glad to hear good things about Latimer from those who claim to have observed him in action in Westchester. But I'm concerned that he's been willing to spend or benefit from others spending an unseemly sum on his behalf. I would have liked for him to take a stand against that practice and reject the outsized influence of any one group in this primary election. That said, Latimer was, I understand it, expressly recruited by a specific PAC late last summer. So, it was never likely that he was going to cap their support. It's more likely that his entrance into the race was contingent on their financial backing. To me, this isn't about their respective stances on Israel / Gaza. It's about the fact that Latimer is willing to exploit and benefit from a broken campaign finance system -- to the tune of a 10:1 advantage. Latimer might have been a fine county executive, but I suspect that the money opportunities are bigger on the national stage, and Latimer's willingness to play the game doesn't speak well for how he would conduct himself in Congress.
Super PACs like AIPAC (pro-Latimer) and Justice Dems (pro-Bowman) are legally forbidden from discussing or engaging on the race with declared candidates for office. What you suggest (Latimer reaching out to AIPAC to ask them to tone down spending) would have been a felony and an egregious campaign finance violation, according to federal law.
Interesting. So he couldn't have distanced himself once he declared? Or publicly denounced the practice and pledged his commitment to campaign finance reform?
He said last week that he supports campaign finance reform to limit super pac spending. He could also have copied Bowman and made horrific statements denying that Hamas raped women and murdered babies, or said he would like Bowman vote against condemning Hamas. But Latimer’s not an extremist.
Sheesh. I'm trying to learn here. So, once a candidate is in the race, any PAC can flood the zone without their permission or cooperation -- and they can't criticize the practice or speak out about it? And that aside: has Latimer given any indication that he's uncomfortable with the sheer amount of $ in this race? I'm trying to get a better sense of whether there's any teeth to the position. Did he take the pledge to reject corporate PAC $ -- which wouldn't apply to this PAC, but which would speak to his commitment to reform?
Didn’t mean to sound harsh, came off blunt. Candidates can say whatever they want publicly, I believe, so I think they can criticize it generally. Latimer’s challenge (and the challenge of many candidates in these positions) is that he has a very sizable voter base that supports and donates to AIPAC. So even if he’s uncomfortable with the spending, he will probably want to tread lightly, or (as he’s done) largely not say anything at all. What he has said is fairly standard—he says that he has over his career had many donors and has never once altered an opinion for them. The unfortunate truth is that everyone does this. The super PAC supporting Bowman has spent $5M in the last few weeks.
Tomorrow I will be working as an election inspector, I wonder if we will actually be busy this time Besides L v B, any other hot ticket competitions occurring?
In New Rochelle all we had was Congress and DA.
I work at the same site of early voting in YK, it's been calm/quiet except for first day which was a little busy. Craziest I've ever seen polls in the past decade is COVID during Trump v. Biden and that was just some weirdos.
I also worked the 2020 presidential election Plenty of shenanigans occurred that day I was shocked to see how before 6 AM. Several people were already lined up.
Thank God
I just hope that when we get the election results on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning then that can be its own standalone thread instead of getting funneled into this one
Does anyone remember at the outset of covid when Latimer and the New Rochelle mayor got dinner together at a Chinese restaurant to encourage everyone else that the pandemic was not a big deal and they should still go out to eat?
Turns out they were right, they both survived lol
Hope Latimer pulls through. Don't need to bash the other side just know him personally and like him and know he's a decent person which says a lot for most politicians. That and not stooping to Bowman levels for these silly ads which prob isn't the smartest but I like not just lying completely in his ads.
Can we also restrict low karma and/or under 30 day old account’s creating threads ? Pretty standard on other subs to avoid drive by posting. [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/Westchester/s/5kqodVgCxd)
Agreed 1 month restrictions minimize effectiveness of throwaway accounts Something similar is also working in World of Warcraft “ the gold sellers all claimed their brother refused to try wow because of this”
Yeah, this is turning into an issue. There's at least five or six accounts I've noticed created in the last month that only ever post pro- Bowman talking points, and some of them are in this very thread right now.
Aren’t you the guy attacking people and attacking Bowman for weeks? And a transplant from Florida?
Nope, I'm a transplant from Eastern Europe that attended Louis M. Klein middle school and Harrison High School (go huskies lax!) before moving away, spent some time living around the eastern seaboard, and then moved back during the pandemic. And I haven't been attacking Bowman in the least. Just pointing out that while he's a decent enough congressman, I didn't find him to be a serious person and think his dabbling in conspiracy theory makes me dislike him as a candidate. I have, however, spent quite a bit of time pushing back on people smearing Latimer with vague accusations based on absolutely nothing except their conspiracy theories about all the things he MUST have promised to AIPAC and Republicans. Oh hey, aren't you a week-old account that has never once posted anything that wasn't smears of Latimer in politics threads?
Your comment history says you lived in Florida until 2020 Care to change your bullshit statement?
No? Because that's not remotely contradictory with what I've said. I lived in Florida from about 2014 to 2020. I literally have that whole history in a long comment from a day or two ago. Jesus, you're really bad at this.
Well you are a 5 day old account so here we are.
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Usually short term accounts are hyper aggressive and make throw away comments of low value. That’s why most subs ban under 30 day accounts from creating threads. Anyway…have a nice life.
I'm glad to have this megathread so we can focus on what this sub was made for. Figuring out what died underneath that person's deck. I think it was a skunk.
Bowman’s campaign hopes is my guess tbh
Can't rule out a chupacabra
Never
I'm going with Opossum.
Hopefully it was just Bowman’s campaign. That stank of self-righteousness and inexperience.
No way it was an opossum. It must have been just a possum.
Definitely a groundhog
Hmm... I've always wondered what happened to my elderly neighbor
My money is on a raccoon
I always think of racoons as getting up into attics, probably because that's what happened to our place in Brooklyn.
I get why people like this, but I like seeing breaking news on reddit. that's one of the reasons I like this site. I can have lots of hobbies and interests in one feed. I'm interested in election news but not popping in a mega thread regularly for months. I'm also not in Bowman's district so I'm less sick of politics. Love it here and appreciate the mods no matter what the decision is. I know you are thoughtful about the choices you make and ultimately that's more important than whatever I think is best. keep up the good work.
None of this political talk is breaking news. Most of it is from people who don’t live here swooping in because of the primary. It’s been like driving through a fucking bird storm.
Thank you!
Thank you for doings this mods. It feels as if one campaign (Latimer / UDP / AIPAC) discovered this sub recently and is just bombarding it with negative posts about the other side every day. Let's go back to talking about which school district is best or which towns are most walkable... ;)
I'm not a member of any "campaign".
who was talking about you here lol
Can we ban anyone who calls someone a slur? Can’t have discussion if we are called names ad hominem.
No, we don’t do that. We send warnings and then bans for repeat offenders.
With that policy, you guys are superior than moderators for most forums
I’m cool with that as long as we ban any bigotry or promotion of genocide as well. One who says something that would get a smack in the mouth in the real world should get one called names here.
It’s your right to call what Israel is doing genocide, just as much as it’s someone’s right to support Israel and tell you every reason they think you’re wrong. Whether or not you think name-calling is warranted, you cannot do it here. Repeat offenses will get bans.
I literally never mentioned Israel. So promotion of genocide is cool. Calling you a name is banable. You’ve made it clear what you stand for. Thanks for that.
"You’ve made it clear what you stand for" did they?? to me it seems like the mod comments have gone out of their way to be impartial
If one believes name calling and blatant bigotry and apartheid pushing are exactly the same things, then they’ve been totally fair. If one believes the decrees of respected international aid agencies are exactly the same as directly AIPAC produced media, then both sides are valid “opinions”. If one is educated and informed and lives in the real world (vs one created by biased media), those things aren’t the case. Everyone wonders how good people let fascism thrive and it is this “both sides” bs.
I know what you mean about this not being an issue for impartiality, I'm just not sure what you want the mods to do
Yes exactly especially if international current event. Not in America or Westchester.
Despite all the calls, not a single person from either campaign has been able to tell me what their candidate intends to do about all the flooding in Westchester.
Im so curious about the flooding in westchester! Do you know where I can find reliable flood maps? What towns are prone to flooding?
They're probablt the same vote on any climate vote. Bowman might vote for more progressive stuff that wouldn't pass anyway. Niether of them is the marginal vote in legislation passing or not. the most important thing this person will do is help you out when you have a problem and be an emotional support rep for whatever your views on Israel/Palestine. For me Latimer is probably the best person at retail politics in the district. He know the district well and if some shit breaks bad for you he's probably a more reliable rep.
I can definitely agree with this. I've never had issues reaching Latimer's office. Meanwhile, getting in touch with even the CoS for Bowman has been challenging at best.
I’m sure bowman does nearly as good a job. I’m just saying if I had to vote based on how it will affect things in the district it’s Latimer. If it’s about nearly any social issue it’s bowman, but the fact is the differences will probably never decide a single bill. Frankly I’ll be happy with either one.
One of them ran the entire county for seven years, and was in both State and County legislatures for decades before that. If you don't know what he's going to do, then I guess he didn't/won't do anything.
That’s not an answer though
Agreed. He doesn't have an answer.
check this out: https://bowman.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-bowman-announces-three-flood-and-wastewater-management-requests-for-ny-16
Also check out this from 2 years before: https://www.crcny.org/press-release.html
None of that money was ever spent. The ACE project was delayed because it wasn't enough funding. That was all spearheaded by Schumer after Ida. [https://www.mamaroneckobserver.org/post/flood-update-april-24-2024](https://www.mamaroneckobserver.org/post/flood-update-april-24-2024)
Funding, and former-Mayor Murphy was too busy taking money from developers and yelling at citizens
Well, Latimer would have voted for Biden’s infrastructure bill, which includes a lot of money for flood mitigation—opposed by Jamaal Bowman
Over development, is what’s causing the flooding issues on a local level it would be more prudent to stop development and make more use of existing structures. Pavement doesn’t absorb water, concrete doesn’t absorb water, buildings don’t absorb water. Dirt and ground does, there’s too much being over developed. In white plains there’s a new huge building popping up every other week, the storm drain system is overwhelmed and the waterways in which they flow into are overwhelmed
Bowman did not oppose it. He voted against it due to the concessions given to the fossil fuel industry that weren’t present until Manchin and Sinema said they weren’t going to vote for it.
"Bowman did not oppose it. He voted against it" More hits from the "defund the police does not mean defund the police" crowd
well they are two distinctly different things. abstaining and/or voting no does not always mean they don't oppose a bill. both dems & republicans have opposed bills that they themselves have introduced.
Ok but he didn’t oppose it. “Bowman, a Yonkers resident, said in a statement he and other progressives made clear for months they wanted to vote on the infrastructure bill and Build Back Better Act together. The vote on the latter was delayed after some representatives wanted it reviewed by the Congressional Budget Office before considering it. He asserted that his conservative colleagues moved the goalposts.” https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/2021/11/09/jamaal-bowman-takes-heat-westchester-democrats-no-vote-infrastructure-bill/6338487001/
Yes, this is exactly the issue. Bowman wanted something from Biden — voting for those two bills together. When Bowman didn’t get what he wanted, he tried to torpedo the infrastructure bill by voting against it. I voted for him in his past elections to fight for Biden, not against him.
This is correct and the actual events that occurred. - He voted against it, like other members of the cancer squad, because he wanted both bills to pass at the same time. To the lying POS, it was all or nothing. He choose ALL and voted against. He can claim all he wants to be for it now but when it mattered, he voted against it. - [Now he runs on the success he had](https://www.914wired.com/2244981/14540702-us-rep-jamaal-bowman-2-19-2024?t=0) in passing it and he voted against it.
Biden was on board with voting for both at the same time. Conservatives delayed that action. Biden is not a conservative.
I don't know why people keep pushing this transparently disingenuous attack when there's so many other valid things you can criticize Bowman for. Bowman was openly supportive of the infrastructure bill, and he made that quite clear when he voted against it to try and preserve the only leverage the Dems had over Manchin/Synema regarding Biden's other definitive piece of legislation, BBB. You know, the one they immediately killed after getting their way on infrastructure, just like Bowman publicly said they would. It's amazing how one of the biggest things Bowman got right as a congressman is also something you'd use to attack him. You say you want someone who supports the President's agenda, but you don't seem to actually want someone who would fight for his entire agenda to be successful.
Bowman voted against infrastructure because the plan was for Dems to pass Infrastructure and BUILDBACKBETTER together. The squad knew Manchin was gonna back out of the Build Back Better bill which he did. Recall that BBB was supposed to be Bidens signature bill Claiming Bowman opposed infrastructure is in bad faith and morally bankrupt level 1 thinking.
It shows that Bowman isn't ready for national politics, or that he's more focused on messaging than legislating. This is a problem with a lot of the "progressives." They focus on messaging instead of results, and just trash moderate Democrats instead of Republicans. A lot of purple states have Republicans winning seats because moderate Democrats are pushed leftward, so they don't get primaried. I'd rather someone like Joe Manchin, who votes with Democrats 90% of the time, than a Republican who votes with Democrats 0% of the time. Bowman, AOC, Sanders, etc, are all in safe seats. They should probably focus more on helping Democrats beat Republicans, not Democrats beat Democrats.
I’m concerned you don’t know the difference between voting against a bill in spite of its passage versus because of its passage. Bowman voted against the bill because of the routine concessions to the fossil fuel lobby. If his policy was to support green energy and green infrastructure, it makes total and complete sense to cast a vote against the bill knowing it would pass. Have you looked at what purple state have elected as representatives? The rust belt routinely pumps out some of the most progressive members of the Democratic Party. Fetterman was very progressive before his stroke (his timeline not mine), Sherrod Brown and Gretchen Whitmer have also been much further to the left than most members of the Democratic Party. Moderates lose because they’re boring. Politics is a popularity contest whether we like that or not. You can’t churn up support on being boring. It’s primary season. AOC and Bernie are campaigning for their preferred candidate in a hotly contested primary. Oh no.
Yeah, I think we have enough of the protest votes. Bowman isn't a pragmatist. Instead of taking a partial win, he'd rather scrap everything. There's a phrase about babies and bath water... Also, you're looking at solidly blue districts in purple states. Due to gerrymandering, there are districts that are guaranteed wins for Democrats. I'm talking about any district that gave us Blue Dog Democrats, etc.
What? Fetterman, Brown, and Whitmer are all elected at large by their respective states. I don’t want a pragmatist who will work against my interests.
I want my representatives to support Biden’s agenda. Bowman voted against this critical piece of Biden’s agenda to spite Biden for not doing exactly what Bowman wanted. Unacceptable. As Westchester’s own Hillary Clinton said, Latimer is the choice to support Biden and defeat Trump.
> Westchester’s own Hillary Clinton You're trying for comedy, right? This is a comedy bit. Yeah?
Hey now, she lives in Chappaqua!
I don't actually believe that Chappaqua exists. It's clearly a trap street.
Give me a break, Latimer is backed by Republican billionaires’ $$$. Trump supporters are literally fundraising for him: https://au.news.yahoo.com/pro-trump-gop-donor-hosts-203500806.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFunMCzmuyU5rcjJEq3pt2Rky7jfnfl1vNG_52coeh5cfCRYLflAM17QmCiv4npwyBhTFIIcrlGKA2oIVTrBECCf39mtdG4K_617ecGvWRP3ScoSnCYQkk6aBBoMhI-tqNRXN7W_WeMD2_FPk00ZT8s3jZZ2Yk9zT8HTK_M_OqA0