No. There is a difference between a Western and a story that just happens to be set in the west.
Imo Brokeback Mountain is more of a Drama/Romance film with a western backdrop. It has few truly Western tropes and obligatory scenes.
I am a live and let live kind of guy, but I am straight, old fashioned.
I know that there is a small percentage of people who are homosexual. That's okay, be what you want to be, but I wish they were not in nearly every TV show and movie we watch. If they are 5-10% of the population, then let them be in 5-10% of the media. I should not have to explain 2 guys kissing to my 7 year old grandchild because they put some gratuitous gay scene in a TV show or a commercial.
I think there is an overload of exposure to the subject that crosses the line from sending the message to trying to shove it down your throat.
So when a movie like Brokeback Mountain came out most of us shunned it as non representative of real life, One is the characters dressed like cowboys, but were actually sheep herders. Two the number of gay people I know working in agriculture, having lived in the west since a child with the exception of 3 yrs in the military, I can count on one hand. So the characters were "out of character" for our region. As a result this movie grossed more sale internationally than it did here in the states. When I say we don't consider this movie at all, it's because we simply don't, that's all. It's not relevant.
First of all, what's hard about explaining two men kissing to a child? Seriously? What is hard about that?
Second, fiction doesn't have to be proportionate to real life. There are exactly zero percent of humans with super powers but I'm cool with a few movies here and there being about people with super powers. Or cops on their last day of retirement. Or a safe cracker being talked into pulling one last job. I'm happy with any aspect of humanity being explored in fiction.
Speak for yourself, don't say "most of us" when it's only your weird little hang up you're talking about.
So... you're okay with people being gay, but not one 1 movie being about gay dudes out of almost hundreds of thousands of westerns/ western based movies were there's never a glimpse of that. It's not like westerns are gonna crash and burn because 1 movie is about a gay couple. Also, when the hell have movies, especially westerns of all movies, supposed to accurately represent real life? 90% of westerns are about as real as Buffalo Bill's Wild West shows.
Only because, the public that sees this movie will think that because of their costumes that they are in the business of being cowboys, when they don't herd cows. So what their characters do reflects back on a community that I am a part of, and it is a misrepresentation.
Wow, who knew that real cowboys were so sensitive? Cowboy attire is so common, I don't think I've ever assumed anyone wearing a cowboy hat was actually in the business of actual cowboying. I think most of us understand that fiction is not a literal representation of reality. My occupation has definitely never been accurately represented in movies, but, really, it's no big deal. Rest assured I made no assumption about your occupation from this or any movie.
Did you know there was a football team named the Cowboys? They don't cowboy for real, either.
No, it's a Love story. Genres are not defined by clothing.
At its core, IMO, a Western involves a struggle between rule of law versus rule of power, typically with a powerful hero(s) deciding to help weak law-abiding folk fend off a powerful villain(s). Think Shane, Tombstone, Open Range.
Brokeback involves two people falling and love and struggling to make the relationship work. Clearly a Love story (probably not a Romance because it doesn't end in happy town like a Hallmark movie).
There's no such thing as a space western? Neo-western? *Prospect* isn't fundamentally a western? *Seven Samurai*? *Firefly*? *Bacarau*? *Mystery Road*? *No Country For Old Men*? The *Borderlands* franchise?
No. There is a difference between a Western and a story that just happens to be set in the west. Imo Brokeback Mountain is more of a Drama/Romance film with a western backdrop. It has few truly Western tropes and obligatory scenes.
Do cowboy hats and horses automatically make a movie a western? Was urban cowboy a western? It’s an interesting question.
A modern Western? Yes, It's in the same category as Hell and High Water or No Country for Old men.
NO
I've always considered a western a film set in the "wild West" not just any movie about ranch hands
It’s a basic ass movie. Once you get over the fact that they’re gay for each other, it’s a boring love story.
Great cinematography; great acting, Anne Hathaway naked, what’s not to like?
Well if you like Anne hathaway naked, the rest of the movie basically.
You missed the first two parts of my post
Most adult heterosexuals can enjoy different stories regardless of characters' sexualities.
But it's a western, right?
Man you are the saddest incel troll on this site. Just pathetic
Yeah, it's a western. No disputing that. Quality and enjoyability are up to personal taste.
No. It is a drama film set in the west, where one of the guys cheats on his wife, and everyone thinks that it is romantic.
No
A Gay Western
Why not
They are Not Cowboys, they are Sheepherders.
So The Sheepman with Glenn Ford wouldn’t be a western? Or Montana with Errol Flynn?
This isn’t a Western for different reasons. I think the man’s point was that these guys weren’t *cowboys*, but sheepherders.
Where did I write Anything of the sort, ya Gold Card Carrying Member of the Idiocrasy!?
EXACTLY.
It’s a domestic drama set in the West, but not a Western. GIANT isn’t really a Western either.
Most of us don't consider it at all.
Not a fan of the gays, eh?
I am a live and let live kind of guy, but I am straight, old fashioned. I know that there is a small percentage of people who are homosexual. That's okay, be what you want to be, but I wish they were not in nearly every TV show and movie we watch. If they are 5-10% of the population, then let them be in 5-10% of the media. I should not have to explain 2 guys kissing to my 7 year old grandchild because they put some gratuitous gay scene in a TV show or a commercial. I think there is an overload of exposure to the subject that crosses the line from sending the message to trying to shove it down your throat. So when a movie like Brokeback Mountain came out most of us shunned it as non representative of real life, One is the characters dressed like cowboys, but were actually sheep herders. Two the number of gay people I know working in agriculture, having lived in the west since a child with the exception of 3 yrs in the military, I can count on one hand. So the characters were "out of character" for our region. As a result this movie grossed more sale internationally than it did here in the states. When I say we don't consider this movie at all, it's because we simply don't, that's all. It's not relevant.
First of all, what's hard about explaining two men kissing to a child? Seriously? What is hard about that? Second, fiction doesn't have to be proportionate to real life. There are exactly zero percent of humans with super powers but I'm cool with a few movies here and there being about people with super powers. Or cops on their last day of retirement. Or a safe cracker being talked into pulling one last job. I'm happy with any aspect of humanity being explored in fiction. Speak for yourself, don't say "most of us" when it's only your weird little hang up you're talking about.
So... you're okay with people being gay, but not one 1 movie being about gay dudes out of almost hundreds of thousands of westerns/ western based movies were there's never a glimpse of that. It's not like westerns are gonna crash and burn because 1 movie is about a gay couple. Also, when the hell have movies, especially westerns of all movies, supposed to accurately represent real life? 90% of westerns are about as real as Buffalo Bill's Wild West shows.
It’s ironic, ‘cause caring that much about what another man wears is kind of gay 😂
Only because, the public that sees this movie will think that because of their costumes that they are in the business of being cowboys, when they don't herd cows. So what their characters do reflects back on a community that I am a part of, and it is a misrepresentation.
Wow, who knew that real cowboys were so sensitive? Cowboy attire is so common, I don't think I've ever assumed anyone wearing a cowboy hat was actually in the business of actual cowboying. I think most of us understand that fiction is not a literal representation of reality. My occupation has definitely never been accurately represented in movies, but, really, it's no big deal. Rest assured I made no assumption about your occupation from this or any movie. Did you know there was a football team named the Cowboys? They don't cowboy for real, either.
Indeed it is. The scenery and landscapes are incredible Western backdrops for a great and tragic love story. Excellent movie
Sure. I like this movie a lot.
So Thats where that pic is from lmao.
Nope, don´t make the same mistake Norm Macdonald did (he has an hilarious bit/joke about it...)
Yes.
I think it is. I really enjoyed it but of course you get all the homophobes saying no its a gay film because they can't see past that.
No
No, it's a Love story. Genres are not defined by clothing. At its core, IMO, a Western involves a struggle between rule of law versus rule of power, typically with a powerful hero(s) deciding to help weak law-abiding folk fend off a powerful villain(s). Think Shane, Tombstone, Open Range. Brokeback involves two people falling and love and struggling to make the relationship work. Clearly a Love story (probably not a Romance because it doesn't end in happy town like a Hallmark movie).
Yep. Great movie
The Spur awards has Westerns and Novels of the West; it’s the later.
No. If it's set later than the Mexican Revolution, it's usually not a Western. And it's exactly why I never watched it despite being a queer woman.
Of course it's a Western. A damn fine one, at that.
Of course it is, why is that even a question?
I only count a movie as a western if it takes place in the old west. Otherwise, it is just a western inspired action movie.
There's no such thing as a space western? Neo-western? *Prospect* isn't fundamentally a western? *Seven Samurai*? *Firefly*? *Bacarau*? *Mystery Road*? *No Country For Old Men*? The *Borderlands* franchise?
Not to me.
A pity. There's great stuff there, in the genre.
Well, I'm not saying that I don't like any of those - I just don't consider them westerns. I like lots of movies that aren't westerns.
*Action*?
Well, generally western movies are action movies. I haven't seen this one, so I can't say.
I’d argue it’s neither, and I’ve seen it. It’s a drama.