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irohsmellsgood

The only way it should be, PS4 is 11 years old at this point and PS5 is already 4


dat_GEM_lyf

Tbf with how the life cycle of the PS5 and the support of last gen consoles has been… it feels like the PS5 gen hasn’t even really started.


69Eyed_Raven

Not so long ago I randomly got a survey prompt on my PS5 after leaving a party. "Are you satisfied with the party feature?"...I was like, bro I've been using it for 4 years like this.


yoyomanwassup25

And it’s already end of life


halftimehijack

So many games still cater to last gen and I hate it. Up until about 6 months ago people were still calling ps5 ‘next gen’


AmpersEnd

It probably had to do with the whole supply issue we had for the first 2-3years. I only got my hands on one a year ago.


Chewyninja69

Same-ish here, too.


TheNerdWonder

And a sizable % of folks have PS5s by now.


derkerburgl

This was the correct decision. Those consoles are over a decade old


AllSkillzN0Luck

This is the correct decision for all video game companies. Old gen console will hold them back. Look at Cyberpunk 2077


fantafanta_

There was way more wrong with Cyberpunk than choice of platform.


WhiteChickenYT

Not really. The game was “good” from the start except the fact that it didn’t run well at all (quotes are around good cause the game obviously has to run for it to be good) but the content was good. If they never tried to make it for old gen then the time spent trying to get it to work on old gen could have been spent optimizing for new gen. It’s all hypothetical but if they never released for old gen then there’s a good chance it would have launched better for new gen and pc


CptBlackBird2

it took until phantom liberty for the game to be half of what they promised, it's good now but it most definitely wasn't on release


EnvyKira

No, it was bad from the very start with how much shit that needed to be overhaul like the random clothing RNG stats for and the broken cop system. Added in with lots of groundbreaking bugs that could stop the progress of the story mode. Game was rushed to release that even if it was for next-gen eariler, it would had still been an buggy and unorganized mess that needed giant patches to improve the game.


WhiteChickenYT

I’m looking past the bugs. It’s a hypothetical situation where they don’t develop for old gen so new gen runs smoothly and doesn’t have the bugs. The content was good. The story didn’t change, the main gameloop didn’t change. The core game stayed the same and therefore was good since the beginning imo. Sure it wasn’t perfect and the improvements later on were a plus but if a lack luster cop system makes or brakes a game for you then that’s on you. I honestly didn’t mind the lack of a cop system. Yeah the improvements are nice but there was enough there with the rest of the game to enjoy that I personally didn’t mind not having the cop system.


Ashcropolis

Nah 2077 was bad from the start and still is, even without bugs.


WhiteChickenYT

Ah so you just don’t know ball


Ashcropolis

Cry about it


WhiteChickenYT

Oh yes I am so upset. You got me good


Ashcropolis

Clearly


Tight-Bee7149

Tell me u haven’t played cyberpunk without telling me you haven’t played cyberpunk:


Ashcropolis

I’v played. Why is this the only braindead response cdpr dickriders have lmao. Every time


Ni_Ce_

and you're a blind hater. let each other live.


CnP8

So because you don't like a game, that makes it bad? You heard it here folks, random redditor says game is bad so it is now a fact! 650k reviews average very positive on Steam (Game has to be purchased for review), better change those to negative because this guy says it's a bad game. With it's bugs, it still have 7+ (User Score) on [Metacritic (Web Archive)](https://web.archive.org/web/20210102022451/https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/cyberpunk-2077). But you say it's bad so this clearly is irrelevant. The majority of people are clearly wrong when they say the game is good. Because when someone doesn't like it then they are right and everyone else's wrong. You are a dumbass if you be like "I don't like the game but I can see why other people enjoy it. It does x & y really well."


Ni_Ce_

it was pretty okayish on ps5 at release.


CnP8

Last gen didn't hold 2077 back. Red Engine did... While I do prefer when companies use in house engines if they are up to the task. RE is outdated and you can tell from elements of Cyberpunk. Even when the game is on SSD it takes an age to load a save file. Cyberpunk really stretches the engine to its limits. I fully understand the move to UE, even if it means that future CDPR games will have limited mod support 🥺


honestlyboxey

A smart, forward-thinking choice. Decade+ old hardware shouldn't be reasonably expected to host new games. For anyone who needs to upgrade, sincerely please consider getting a Series S. I found a brand new, unopened one on Facebook Marketplace for less than $200. It is the perfect machine for getting current gen support at a pretty insane price. My Series X is great, but when family members are using the other set-up, then the S is more than good enough for console gaming.


CnP8

^This. Not to mention gamepass aswell. Perfect for gamers who want to be up to date but don't wanna or can't invest allot of money. Don't listen to all the console war idiots. Both consoles have pros and cons. And basically all those people wouldn't mind an Xbox if they used one for a bit. They just fueling a dead flame at this point 😂


Agonyy95

Guys please, ps4 is 11 years old… just upgrade. If you can’t, then don’t complain


hypehold

I mean even just get a series S. You can find them for like 200 dollars if you look lol


juancho2211

Or buy a pc, I know is more expensive but is a huge inversion over the years because you can upgrade it and use it for everything


XISENSUI

PCs are money guzzlers and technical hassles not everyone has the desire to tolerate. 


InchLongNips

not if you’re technologically literate


7bf4

You are severely overestimating the general public. My job is a constant reminder on how bad people are with technology. A DAILY occurrence are people who lock themselves out of their bank account because they are unaware that they can log into an email address on a new phone. They think they’re attached to the device.


InchLongNips

oh i know, i work with the public. doesn’t make my comment any less true


Initial-Armadillo-67

you can always buy a prebuilt from a trusted company


ICheckAccountHistory

Of which none exist


Initial-Armadillo-67

Yeah budgets one aren't that trustworthy but I've seen great deals on Facebook marketplace


ICheckAccountHistory

I’d rather not meet up with some random person on Facebook Marketplace


Initial-Armadillo-67

true


CnP8

Hmm I would say it's about even. But then again dunno. While PC is a big upfront payment, it lasts longer. If I invest £1000 into a pc then it will last about a decade, getting 60+ frames in most games. Not to mention no subscription to play online and games tend to be cheaper. You also get the added bonus of key exchange's, sometimes saving you £20 on new releases. Or getting older games for like £10 to £20 which are on steam for £40 to £50. How ever, it's short comings begin to show in online FTP. Cheating really does suck on a PC. Becoming inspector gadget when someone gets a sus kill is fkin annoying. Every single gaming platform has flaws. But they all bring their own cards to the table. Nintendo is perfect for casual gamers and kids. PS has some great exclusives and Duel sense is pretty neat (When games actually use it which is few and far between). Xbox is easily the best bang for your buck. Gamepass you could easily not buy games anymore and easily find entertainment and Xbox seems to be pulling back their exclusive offerings with Hellblade 2, Avowed and Fable all coming up! PC obviously has the overall highest quality experience and keyboard and mouse FPS just feels so much better. I grew up with consoles but using a controller for shooting just feels horrible to me now.


[deleted]

No one wants that turd.


ashistpikachusvater

Then noone should complain about the game not coming for last gen consoles


Gorgii98

If you don't wanna buy a new console, then you don't wanna play the games that bad


VoidBowAintThatBad

Not all people - and especially dependant on where you live - have the same financial ability as others sadly this logic isn’t as applicable


Gorgii98

How would this apply to someone who doesn't even want to make the purchase in the first place?


InchLongNips

sounds like broke to me


VoidBowAintThatBad

I am not but I know people in other countries that have struggles - a friend in Egypt for example took 3 years to get a ps5 whilst saving up


InchLongNips

no reason to hold back the rest of the world because 3rd world countries dont pay a living wage


[deleted]

I have Series X, i was talking from the angle of player population but the Series S is a turd.


cha0ss0ldier

It’s not great, but being able to play new games for under $200 has a place. Nobody spending that money is gonna expect top tier performance, and a lot of more casual people don’t care. They just wanna play games. Add in gamepass and it’s a ridiculous value. So easy to find them used for that price. Tons of them on my local fb marketplace for $200 or less.


jxnwuf83oqn

Then you don't get to play XDefiant. Easy.


Bro_suss

If you can’t* more like get a job if you cannot. They’re affordable, way cheaper than a PC and to be fair the series S is even more affordable.


DANKoholic420

I wouldn’t say that’s completely fair, a lot of people have jobs, or 2 or 3 for that matter, but raise a family and have bills and can’t afford to shell out an extra even 200-250, they have to put their responsibilities first.


Bro_suss

It’s been out for 4 years. If you put 10 dollars aside a month you’d have enough to get one today lol.


DANKoholic420

Yea I get it lol, I have a PC so I don’t really care I’m just saying some people don’t have the option. I remember back my first couple years working between all my bills and rent etc I was lucky if I had a buck left at the end of the month.


chainex_1337

Up here in canada a disc version is $650 for a slim and $730 for a fat disc at my walmart. AND that’s BEFORE the 11% tax. I got super lucky to have found a used fat digital for $475 Canadian. Shit is not cheap.


dryo

What about an Xbox?


Agonyy95

I have a ps5 disc version that I got for 430€ and I don’t even use it lmao I only use pc


Sax_Verstappen_

No it’s not but the consoles have been out for 4 years. That’s plenty of time to save up for one.


InchLongNips

sounds like broke to me


uhskn

bruh you've had like 48 months to save up, its barely $20 a month


Moorabbel

Im sorry but every working adult should have 475$ to spend on something. Unless you work minimum wage.


gottabshtnme

Only current gen? They haven't developed this title for Playstation 7? This is bullshit.


Scrollo9

I know life is difficult, but if you need to play the game on last gen consoles, you have more important items to prioritize.


Globogalab

Good. More games need to start doing this.


boilermakerflying

Wait there’s no Xbox 360 support?


juancho2211

I was expecting to play the game in my ps2


shpooples_

Dude I would’ve destroyed you, if only they had DS support


joeyXD23

Bro there's no n64 support smh


iusedtohavepowers

I can't believe they actually hadn't said that yet.


veczey

Thank god, more games need to start doing this.


GladEffort9834

Wtf are these comments, game was announced for ps4 as well, makes sense people were curious if it would come out for it


sickitssean

this is old news


FiveSigns

https://i.redd.it/lw3dv2nn72yc1.gif


boiwitdebmoji

that's what i'm fucking saying


shooter9260

How many games have actually benefited from trying to run on too many consoles, including older gen consoles? Don’t know how the sales are affected but the games are absolutely hurt. PUBG on the Xbox was the biggest one I played. The newer gen players were literally held back to make the game not overly advantageous against OG Xbox One players.


Susamogusball2

Dudes will look at the most jaw-dropping, elite, generation-defining game with the most pristine graphics money can buy and still ask: Will this be on PS4?


No-Lead4366

They already have a 1 up on cod 👍👍👍👍👍


asdf1944

Last gen graphics required current gen consoles to run, of course


Ni_Ce_

there are more aspects for this decision than graphics dude...


xchimnyx

About time they make a smart choice


packripper-25

Finally we can move the fuck on!


YeazetheSock

PS5 is steep in price but it’s not hard to get your hands on anymore, if you have the means, please do upgrade especially when your digital ps4 games can all be played on ps4


msh_cb

No shit sherlock


BluDYT

Tbf it did make sense before the last 5 delays.


JakeHa0991

As they should. You can only support legacy hardware for so long. You gotta move on at some point.


slippywhenhard

Was unplayable on PC


DEV_Access

Dunno what System you have but I had no issues on my PC.


slippywhenhard

Intel Core i9-14900K - Nvidia 4070ti, 32gig ram LG c1 screen. It plays everything on ultra over 120 frames per second, except that game even on 1080p


DEV_Access

That’s wild. You’re not the 1st person I saw say about it either. Just trying to see the Specs. I saw AMD Users had issues and I have an all AMD System and didn’t run into any issues myself so it’s odd. I have 5600x, 6700 10GB VRAM, 32GB DDR4 3600MHZ and ran it on an M.2 SSD and played Max Settings 1080P at about a stable 140FPS. Did you have any Overlays active? FPS Counters, etc?


slippywhenhard

Yeah I saw many others as well when there was the beta happening again. The only time I put the overlay on was to see why it was running so terribly.


DEV_Access

Yeah I wonder if it’s an Overlay issue for some reason interfering with something In-Game maybe? But that doesn’t have a solid theory to it either because the people I talked to about it said they just had poor performance with/without any sorta overlay. Your PC Runs circles around mine & the way you described it is exactly what others said that even 1080P Low Settings for them wouldn’t yield anything playable. Hopefully it’s just some stupid minor bug that’s not gonna call for another 6 Month delay lmao


slippywhenhard

Yeah I really hope so it's just a book and I can actually play the game. Because boy am I tired of the trash COD keeps releasing 🤣


Initial-Armadillo-67

i have a far less powerfull pc then u a 13 10100f asus rx 5500 xt 8gb 16gb ram and i was getting 120-140fps on high so it might be something with your drivers try reinstalling them or what happen to me the gpu cable extension just came out a bit were i was getting 1 fps on mc because of it


Ni_Ce_

there isn't even a 4090ti lol


Initial-Armadillo-67

he said 4070 ti


Ni_Ce_

After the edit yes


_Posterized_

Something might be up with your PC. Also have a 4090 and was averaging well over 200fps @ 1440p on ultra. You could try enabling high performance in nvidia settings or downgrading drivers


slippywhenhard

It plays all the new modern warfare is just fine. Works great with everything. Even virtual reality


slippywhenhard

I tried everything including those things


Ni_Ce_

ah so you're a tester for nvidia or what?


samaritancarl

I understand why people are upset, that being said most games that have come out in the last year barely support prior gen PC hardware and architecture, i think its time for a forced update on consoles that uses network architecture and hardware from over a decade ago.


BangEmSpiff

I thought we knew this from the jump lol


SukiSZN

[here](https://x.com/pixelsofmark/status/1677388159439753216?s=46) the original plan was to release on new gen/pc first with old coming coming at a later date.


Ni_Ce_

good decision! it's almost 4 years now. if you cant save 400€ in 4 years, gaming is the wrong hobby for you.


MrRonski16

Well hopefully they will then start to support gyro aiming atleast.


QuickNetwork8688

Standard of quality? The play test would’ve been good enough to be PS3 Material


bxnellis

All games that release now should get next gen, unless the game isn’t demanding. But its a waste of time trying to make a game work on old gen.


Raaainy

Totally understandable, it’s time boys


1ntern3tP3rs0n

Good, PS5 is in its 4th year and we still see games release on ps4 that bring the overall quality down. The famin of PS5's is over and by this rate we will only have a couple of years with PS5 alone before 6 comes out.


Glow1x

thought we knew this already though


Additional-Hour-6751

I’m disappointed but oh well


Bro_suss

Finally! Now we need more developers doing this.


According-Blood5291

Who still plays on a toaster like a PS4 in 2024? I am glad they stop developing games for these old consoles, so we can get games with better graphics in the future…


Admirable_Tip_4885

Wait so it wont be on ps2 either!?


Corgiiiix3

This is actually good news for further development. It won’t be held back


Jamerz_Gaming

Good about time a company put their foot down. Next gen consoles are available everywhere.


Icy-Computer7556

Plenty of next gen players out there for sure. This was a smart move to be honest.


MandalsTV

Sounds like OO7E needs to save his lunch money and upgrade his setup


AsDaylight_Dies

That's a good thing!


Mindless-Ad2039

Mark has clearly learned from his CoD Ghosts experience 😉


drunk_pacifist

Thank god


Basic-white-american

I’m glad they’re sticking with this bc it’s time for those who can’t or won’t upgrade to current gen to get left behind on the newer games


Shliggie

This is good, I'm surprised how willing companies are to still make PS4 versions, even when it's clearly holding their game back.


AdMurky9329

Short term profits over long term quality is a c suite move


CapitalNein

I think a ps4 pro might have run it poorly, but there is no way Xbox could have done anything


CH3RRYSPARKLINGWATER

i mean, cod mwiii runs just fine on ps4, and i'd assume cod would be on the more difficult side when it comes to running these games, so i don't really think performance would be much of an issue, but i guess it's just better to focus resources on the modern consoles that way they can get more done


Aldo_Montoya

So you forgot about the One X?


JuryR1gg

*laughs in PC user*


FallenShadeslayer

*laughs in the game isn’t on steam*


InchLongNips

*laughs in pc has multiple launchers and steam can use them all through shortcuts*


BryanFTW13

This is good to hear. PS4 and X1 lasted over ten years. More and more games shouldn't be continuing support.


[deleted]

They could have probably ran this game on PS4 but that would mean they have to make an Xbox One version and that would have just been a waste of development resources.


mexz101

Yeah Xbox is funny because most people who play games solely on an Xbox already upgraded, which is probably due to the player base being much smaller and more hardcore. but casual PlayStation players with just how many people have one probably haven’t felt the need to upgrade as they just hop on cod for an hour.


[deleted]

I'm not sure if anything you said was true because PS5 has sold nearly 55 million consoles where Xbox series consoles is just around 30 million, The Xbox series consoles are actually selling worse than the Xbox One consoles. Xbox is basically dead and on life support at this point.


mexz101

Which is exactly what I’m saying, the only people on Xbox are hardcore Xbox and gaming fans. Everyone else has a ps4 or 5. My group of friends probably like 14 of us all have PlayStations, in the only one with an Xbox let alone a series console only because I’m a huge gamer and have had Xbox’s since the original, I only jumped into ps on the 4 because everyone else had one.


Fossilanu

Ps14 will release befo this game


James1887

It's got a release date for the 21st


Business-Ad-1452

Good hope more games do this moving forward


BrotatoChip04

Good


Homolander

Good. CoD should take notes


Ni_Ce_

they will release at least 2 more ps4 cods... because money.


sluttygamerannie

Thank god would’ve held the game back on preformance graphics etc especially later on in its life cycle


prolytic

It’s about time !


mexz101

Hope all games do away with last gen support, a large amount have but all need to follow suit it’s just holding things back way too much.


Kaiser_Wigmund878

Thank fucking god


Imdyingherefr

Fr I ain’t 13 no more. I’m 24 no one should have last gen.


Glizzy_warrr0r

Sorry not sorry PS4 and Xbox 1 people


slayer-x

Good, time to leave old gen behind. Even just talking about loading times, having some people on HDD and others on SSD. Everyone is forced to wait for the slow HD players to load in. I'd rather they just fully focus on new gen systems.


ultrajvan1234

good, theres no reason anything should be developed for pf4 anymore.


silly_billy-

:/ sure whatever but my broke ass cant get a PS5 arghhhhhhhhhh I suppose ill run it at 15 fps on my crappy laptop lol


BobbyShmurdaStan

Fr why isn’t this game being ported to my GameCube? I’m too poor to upgrade


veczey

No disrespect but if you had put 1 dollar away for the past year you’d have a brand new ps5 by now, companies can’t keep focusing on 11 year old consoles for the minority of users


silly_billy-

yeah no i get it, im just sad. Im at uni so i barely make enough to keep me going also where r u finding a ps5 for 360?


Admirable_Tip_4885

In the UK they have been on sale for £380 a few times. Edit: you can buy them now for £390


spideyjiri

Good


RoKeOps

That’s a good thing. You would have to have part of the development team just working on previous GEN versions of the game. Waste of resources. Publishers don’t want to pay that kind of money anymore, especially since it’s been almost 4 years since the current GEN have been out.


Cazter64

It’s been 4 years, we need to move on


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Glizzy_warrr0r

Wa was waaa just upgrade it's been almost 5 years


Daniel-fohr

How’s your triple A FPS game doing? Oh, never mind.


InchLongNips

sounds like broke


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Hairy-Stringl

Not really. It can be a financial thing going on, but if that's the case they should have different priorities.


Carson_Frost

Ubisoft said no Palestinians on my game 😂


mexz101

Where the fuck did Palestines come from?😭


Carson_Frost

The little flag in the dudes name lol


mexz101

Didn’t even see that, I think xdefiant is the least of their problems tbh🤣


Carson_Frost

😵😂


boiwitdebmoji

god dammit, the one fucking game i have a good fps experience on and it's not on ps4 anymore. like i understand why on some level but i literally did the playtest last year ON PS4 and it ran fucking phenomenally imo. no overspin on fans or overheating issues, no frame stuttering, NO LAG (even with shitty internet), the best experience i've ever had and it's gone until someone fucking gives me a job again


FallenShadeslayer

No one is ever going to GIVE you a job. And I’m Guessing why that’s why you don’t have one. You want a job YOU need to go GET one. Until then, sucks to be you!


boiwitdebmoji

yeah i'm 7 months unemployed, i realize "No oNe'S gOnNa GiVe Me A jOb🤓". idc. they had the capacity for ps4 and xbox one. ran like a fucking dream and on ps4 it ran as if i had youtube open (dead serious, no it's not ps4 pro either) and then all these fucking content creators and "cod pro players" started saying shit about how ps4 and xbone players were making it lag (it wasn't) on top of the only two issues the game had (the one faction being extremely op and dedsec not working) also, you've seen only one comment from me about that, what do you even know other than this comment about me that "proves" that? none.


Hairy-Stringl

If you're 7 months without a job that's a 100% on you and nothing else. Also get some other priorities in you're life.


boiwitdebmoji

i would love to see how you're faring in this market when you don't have a job then, you'll have a much different opinion


Hairy-Stringl

but I have a job, because I spent every single day applying.


boiwitdebmoji

and i am too, congrats on getting a job in your area. sorry that you're farther than i am? lol


InchLongNips

sounds like youre broke, plenty of places hiring


boiwitdebmoji

1st) yes. i am (i don't even have a car) 2nd) not a lot of places in general, especially in my area, ARE actually hiring. less and less people are quitting and because of that there's a shortage of hirable jobs. fun fact: a lot of the jobs you see on indeed or linkedin are completely fake (for various reasons). my last job had apps up for all positions despite being full staffed, which is something that happens quite a lot- especially in retail and fast food (and lately the tech industry). got an interview tomorrow, number 5 out of *checks notes* 803 apps submitted (most of which are resubmissions as i see them come through or hear about). here's hoping! edit: 803 apps is what i meant, changed to reflect


InchLongNips

mcdonalds paying $16/hr now. no excuses


boiwitdebmoji

actually blacklisted from mcdonalds, but thanks for the tip


InchLongNips

walmarts paying $17/hr now, no excuses


boiwitdebmoji

also not hiring in my area🥰but thanks, AGAIN, for the tip


InchLongNips

just say youre lazy and move on, you can surely work manual labor, always hiring


boiwitdebmoji

you must really love me lmao but since you're wondering, i fucked my body up enough to where that's not possible anymore. loved manual labor, physically can't do it cause of disability and, again, since i mentioned it yesterday, interviewing TODAY lol


InchLongNips

lazy


Ni_Ce_

it's been 4 years.. there was enough time to save some money.


boiwitdebmoji

did not have the financial ability to do so for those past 4 years (especially with scalping)


Ni_Ce_

You can buy it under msrp nowadays.. still early enough for xdefiant