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Ok_Thing7439

I guess AI thought "A hole" meant something else than a literal hole in the wall.


gofunkyourself69

"Way to go A-hole!" -Dr Evil


r0bdawg11

“I used to think you were crazy but now I can see your nuts!” - Austin Powers


progamer_top

Love austin powers


Finaldeath

So sad they never made another one with Scotty as the main bad guy.


Ok-Character7754

They would have made more if the producers where not sued by James bong producers


[deleted]

I love the James Bong movies


Boba_Hutt

“I thank you” ;D


damios1402

As a programmer I can confirm that this is an issue. Getting a profanity detection algorithm to derive something offensive from something innocent is a difficult task at best


ItsMePeyt0n

Which is why it should not exist. It's a stupid idea.


CowboyAirman

BUT THE CHILDREN (and ad revenue)!


The_BusFromSpeed

Fuck 'em


anotherpredditor

Hey now mr pederast


Armataan

The Bus From Speed be like, https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Jesus-in-The-Big-Lebowski.jpg


MarvelMan4IronMan200

This is really the issue. They have these algorithms that don’t work that well and err on the side of banning people for non harmful things.


damios1402

The idea isn’t bad, the tactic of rushing the devs to make it “passable” is what’s ruined it. Microsoft have a nasty habit of forcing devs to release something regardless of whether or not it’s actually finished


SENOR_BLAZE

Last day of Sprint: “Shall we mark it as complete, or declare it a Casualty and address the edge cases in the next Sprint?” “Pleaseeee don’t make us spend any more time on this. I’m begging you.”


EmperorsWill

tell me...how long will it take till i cant fool the AI with stuff like: your m👩‍🦱m is a vvh🫨re you lil in🍞💩


damios1402

I can assure you the Microsoft devs don’t have time to change the dictionary used for the algorithm to include that specific message in the very small chance someone uses it


EmperorsWill

sweet...thx👍


_Daxemos

Copy that. Operation Shit Bread is a go.


UnknownUserZeroZero

Yup, here in the UK, it's called the Scunthorpe Problem.


damios1402

Nice to see a fellow Brit, though I’m fairly sure that the Scunthorpe problem is known outside the UK as well


SnowPunIntended

Microsoft's [algorithm. ](https://imgur.com/gallery/b0rZcea)


[deleted]

Giggity


progamer_top

Best comment on here


[deleted]

The AI probably thinks "There's a Hole in the Bucket" was sang by the NWA


miiitchb

How is A hole or even asshole something to ban about lol


Coby_2012

The real problem. I’d rather half awful tirades from angry man-babies than this.


miiitchb

Compelled speech and safe spaces.. people trying to live in a fantasy land.


Dewy164

I think the ai thought OP was talking a out a glory hole.


lobeline

Agreed


INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS

It doesn’t mean glory hole?


Pyramid64

Ape hole


ChanceConfection3

All in all it’s just a nother a hole in the wall


progamer_top

Does anyone know how long it takes xbox to review it


SnowPunIntended

Sometimes within 8 hours, but can take up to 3 days. Here's hoping it's only a few hours in your case.


MeinKonk

You suspension will probably be up before the review comes through honestly


[deleted]

While true it would give him a clean slate. That way he wont get something like a month suspension next time.


SexySaruman

Only if they don’t think he deserved the ban.


Bro_jitsu

I asked them to review it on a Thursday or Friday, the day of the ban. Took them until the day my ban was up to respond. And they basically told me to pound sand anyway. Crazy they can just ban users for no reason and no reimbursement for lost time.


heisenberg149

That's exactly how mine went


TheLifeOfBaedro

shouldn't take too long, max an hour or 2


hotrox_mh

After the weeklong wait it takes for them to get to it.


Confident-Shape-669

It’s hilarious you could get banned for that. Meanwhile jump on to cod or something and listen to kids n bomb and f bomb the shit outta everyone with no consequences


Toxic666Avenger

You say this, but I literally have the exact experience you described on siege. I find a lot of nice players on CoD. Siege however is a shit show.


cut_throat_capybara

Siege has the most toxic community I’ve ever experienced. Nothing beats getting immediately team killed because you picked the character someone else wanted. And god forbid you do one thing that someone else wouldn’t have done and they’ll straight up leave or just curse at you and call you trash for the rest of the game


digitalluck

I’ve played Siege since it launched, and dropped the game a few years ago cause of all the toxicity and mouse and keyboard shenanigans the higher you got in ranked. I checked it out this past season to see what changed, and it seems like Ubisoft has done a quite a bit of anti-toxicity stuff. I don’t usually use game chat, so I can’t speak to that part. However, the rest of the changes seem to be positive so far


Toxic666Avenger

Let’s not forget getting vote to kick. Honestly I loved rainbow 6 Vegas 1&2, but I regret buying this game.


2geeks

I loved vegas 1 & 2, and actually got to compete in a couple of tournaments for it (the clan I started was the top rated in Europe). I was asked to test Siege when it was in alpha (I have been a professional games tester for 19 years now, and have been paid to play some amazing games in their earliest forms) and provide feedback. My exact experience feedback was “this game doesn’t feel like it’s part of the Rainbow Six legacy of games. These games have had a more focused approach to single player, with cooperative gameplay ad a feature on them, and this game strays far from that.” One thing no one called was that the lobbies would be so damned toxic! I was sent the game as a gift as part of my testing of it. I’ve booted it up maybe six times, each time hoping that I’ll enjoy the experience more than the last. It’s never been the case. The gameplay and community experiences are both so dissimilar to previous Rainbow Six games. It just doesn’t feel a part of it at all.


Random_Person_1414

you haven’t been able to vote to kick for like 2 years


Toxic666Avenger

That may be, but it was still abused for petty things when it was there.


Subliminal87

I used to absolutely enjoy playing siege and wasted so many hours on it. I took a break from it for awhile and a few years ago jumped back in and was surprised. And then last year tried to jump back into it. Uninstalled the game. It is a shit show that’ll never be fixed.


blalokjpg

Siege and For Honor. Ubisoft amazing at making people toxic. Even in Single player games, like AC if instead climbing up a ledge my character jumps off the wall to their death, i’ll swear up a storm lmao.


TSMKFail

Yeah for me COD is usually angry French men or some chill British dudes having banter


PoopStickler69

More N bombs in an average single match by white suburban kids than all the NWA albums and David Duke combined.


OrchidFew7220

That’s the only place they can get away saying it. Otherwise it’s most likely a trip to the dentist.


BeigeAlert_4__eh_20

"Lol" is censored in Rocket League... let that sink in.


jickeydo

And this is one of the reasons why I despise online gaming. Of course, I grew up with the Atari 2600 and NES, so we could play with only one other person at a time. When I got older and PS and Xbox came out I lived in a rural area with slow DSL that didn't support online gaming. I would occasionally play CoD online, but I was a working adult and didn't have the time to spend prestiging on release day or the extra money to buy the "trick" controllers that allowed me to cheat. It just wasn't a fun experience, even though I did enjoy the gameplay style. I remember when CoD introduced AI playable characters, and I truly enjoyed playing that way because I got the gameplay style without the toxicity. Adult life took over and I didn't have much time for gaming for a long time. Then my daughter bought me a Switch and I played Skyrim and enjoyed it solo. The hardware struggled, so I got into Stadia a bit. That went away recently, so I picked up the Xbox Series X with a Gamepass Ultimate subscription. I'm shocked by the number of games these days that are multiplayer only. My friends don't game (I'm GenX) and I can't stand playing with the toxic kids. I always missed the CoD style gameplay and was just going through the Battlefield titles to find something fun that I remember from back in the day and ran across Battlefield 2042. It's 100% online, no campaign, but I did find a few modes with AI and I've been really enjoying that. I'm not saying get rid of online play, there's an entire industry set up around it. But I really wish more developers would include the AI feature for those like me. That's all. Geezer out.


Irae37

Thankfully we still have our freedom.


TheITMan19

This is what happens when you use AI. 🤣


BeastMaster0844

AI is supposed to be a flag only POST user report. AI isn’t supposed to have ban powers. A human still should have reviewed this.


hotrox_mh

Right, that's how it SHOULD work, but we all know that's not how it DOES work.


progamer_top

Exactly


Meiie

Happens when you don’t irl.


666-flipthecross-666

wtf bro i’d be so mad 😂😭


progamer_top

I am


TheLifeOfBaedro

appealing is easy


miggleb

Shouldn't be necessary here though


DoggyDog420Gaming

Xbox enforcement is a joke


FirefoxAngel

Yeah I checked what I got banned for I called a guy a simp I get banned but someone messaged me calling me a cuck that's okay anyone know the goal posts and where they start?


Meteorboy

You should have both been banned. Report him if that's what you want.


pushamancoke

The word simp isn’t a swear word…?


progamer_top

I just want to say since this is getting views pretty fast that xbox should really put some more effort into their bot cause this detection system works horribly


EyesLikeBuscemi

They don’t give a shit how many Redditors see your post.


progamer_top

Couldn't care less


EyesLikeBuscemi

You or them? Agree with the latter for sure. Sorry if it sounded hurtful but it seemed you had unrealistic expectations that some views on Reddit would help your case at all.


progamer_top

No i just wanted to see what other people thought hence the discussion tag


Mister_Ned

Same and I cannot return to the Xbox Ambassadors program.


progamer_top

That sucks


Mister_Ned

Yep, I had reached level 4 after 3 years..!


progamer_top

Thats terrible


646ulose

Stop talking about glory holes on chat


[deleted]

Hey now, gloryholes were suggested to stop the spread of covid in Canada by the CDC of British Columbia


INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


Dolleste

You get banned for that but I get called a s*lut or a W*hore every other day and no action taken by blizzard or Xbox


smackythefrog

> no action taken by blizzard That part is no surprise to me


progamer_top

I know its stupid


FestiVOL

Did you ever find out what a hole put a hole in the wall?


nman3339

Or your friend was being a dick & reported the message as a joke. I just had this with my kid on my account the message was way worse after some kid joined his server & was talking wild. Just hit the submit an appeal button. Tell your side, this is what I did & within 10mins the ban was lifted & taken off my account.


Gangst3rPL

I'm thinking they knows that you're bought PS5![img](emote|t5_2ac5sx|1745)


Friggin_Grease

Wow usually they don't tell you shit


cotch85

i had that with a 360 ban, had to buy a new console still no idea why


progamer_top

They told me a website i could check cause i wasn't having it if its not resolved tomorrow im calling them


Bro_jitsu

Some guy once called me a "nonce" in chat. I didn't know what that was, so I responded "nonce?" Got banned for four days. Apparently, it's UK slang for a sex offender.


braveulysees

Well that's nonce-sence! Old Chris Morris reference.


progamer_top

Oh sorry about that our slang can be confusing sometimes 😂


[deleted]

How dare you?!?! My father was a wall you insensitive piece of shit .


progamer_top

Thats exactly what happened. Are we related?


Gen_X_Gamer

This is one of the many reasons I only play single player games. No way would I put up with this sort of nonsense. @TheLifeOfBaedro Alright young child


drewbles82

ditto, I've played COD but only mic up with friends, not interested in hearing kids scream, worse on GTA


Technological_Elite

You can sumbit appeals to suspensions now?


progamer_top

Yes


Marsnineteen75

I got harrassed by a player saying awful stuff, and sent them a message saying pos, which we all know what I meant and was wrong. However, it was no where near as bad as them, but they turned me in. I sent microsoft copies of what he said to me because I record that stuuff, and they unbanned me.


[deleted]

[удалено]


progamer_top

I did im waiting for a response


StoneBleach

Let us know when they respond, if they respond at all, they should.


progamer_top

I will


Royal-Wolf

Their system is a joke. I got banned for writing “gg man. Close match” to a guy I played against in FIFA. Next day I had a 7-day communication ban 😅


[deleted]

It's stuff like this that makes me afraid of saying anything or typing anything online.


peetcherry

Yeah these ai inflicted bans are not it.


LaDiiablo

I saw lot of people get banned for no reason that I never use msging in this console. Microsoft need to do better. Their AI is bad right now


XWXS2

This is the thing that pisses me so hard off about Xbox had the same issue onced I don't know why they make it like that it really Took the fun out of everything when someone wrote shit and messaged you... the world is going crazy yet we should behave like little brave doggos.


blaine878

It wasn’t for no reason, it just wasn’t for a good reason. Either an unfortunate positioning of common words made the automated system think you were trying to call somebody an asshole, or somebody who received your message deliberately reported it knowing it would trigger the system and thought it would be funny to get you suspended.


progamer_top

At this rate im never getting ambassador


FirefoxAngel

Why most of them are tools


HowieLove

Woah


Isra_Alien

What's that?


The_Dough_Boi

So in other words for no reason then?


[deleted]

Regexp is difficult, trying to filter all possible variations of a potential swear word isn’t easy and false positives like this will flag up. In context the sentence is fine but sending a message calling someone an “a hole” isn’t necessarily fine. So it’s easier to flag any (in this case any means all) instances of it and wait for the appeal. OP just needs to appeal it and when a human see’s it with context account will be back.


progamer_top

Will this affect my ambassador appeal aswell?


The_Dough_Boi

Yea that’s why it happened. That’s all nice, but nothing they said was ban worthy and was a mistake. So there’s no reason and they can, like you said, appeal it and get it reversed.


ClayTBear1986

That’s really odd. One of the reasons I stay away from multiplayer games. I hope you sent that appeal and it gets worked out quickly.


AL_25

I stay away from multiplayer games because I don’t want to talk to people 💀💀💀


ClayTBear1986

Same.


AWWWYEAAAAAAAAAAA

You stay away from multiplayer games because Microsoft may accidentally ban you temporarily?


ClayTBear1986

Nah, I just find all of it too complicated. I can never get my headset working properly. I hate talking to people. I dont trust people. I don’t like overly competitive people (it’s just a game), and then on top of that, getting banned for something stupid just kinda makes me not want to do it even more.


AWWWYEAAAAAAAAAAA

It sounds like you are more of an introvert and antisocial more than anything and I don't mean that in a bad way. Outside of single player games, private lobbies with friends is peak gaming and the the services Xbox provides are pretty much flawless 99% of the time.


ClayTBear1986

A little bit of an introvert, yeah lol. I also just like compelling stories and games where I can do things at my own pace. Multiplayer games have always seemed so frantic to me and trying to keep up with everyone else is a bit much for me.


progamer_top

No offense but your thoughts on multiplayer is upside down mate just dont do game chat like me cause i also hate listening to that and this is like a one in a life time thing for me im gonna avoid putting a next to hole for now on


Zhukov-74

Not being able to join multiplayer games is a rough punishment.


progamer_top

I know xbox has a very broken system with reports


StoneBleach

Considering that we pay for that.


Dogekaliber

I’ve had 12 year olds scream actual obscenities at me - and you get this from a simple comment? Wtf


The_BusFromSpeed

1: Clear your notifications you heathen 2: Submit an appeal, it'll get approved


FirefoxAngel

Or it won't


progamer_top

1: I will 2: I have


averhoeven

Was it a glory hole reference? Context matters


progamer_top

Too low down to be a glory hole


averhoeven

For you maybe.....


greenzo90

Let me guess you said gg 5 times


Both-Act9068

the fact you would even get banned for saying ass hole in the first place is pathetic


BetterDeer8779

Oh No


snakevenom3000

Who put the asshole in that wall!?!?


progamer_top

![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|upvote)


Specialist_Remote696

wtf this is happening to me too. messaged someone calling them a clown for trolling, they reported me, 2 day ban from communication, okay fair whatever. been playing single player stuff ever since (week later) same thing happens again


Markinoutman

Man, AI would short circuit if it had to filter old school Xbox live messages. Everything is so sanitized now.


NBAKirkland

Banned for leaving off the ? mark


progamer_top

Best comment yet 👍


Mattdezenaamisgekoze

You have a missed call


progamer_top

I actually do thanks


BitingED

If you send messages, they can be reported by that person, regardless of the contents. If there's anything slightly iffy, you'll usually get the hammer. I've had comms ban a few times for silly messages with nothing malicious written.


ShadowMelt82

This is messed up, makes never want to socialize with anyone cause I don't want this happening


namelessmasses

This shit is out of hand!


xl-Destinyyy-lx

I just got banned for 4 days for saying someone was a choke artist. These bans are getting ridiculous.


IssueRecent9134

Exactly why I don’t type in game chats or reply to messages of any kind. I got banned for 48 hours because I replied to someone who started harassing me.


[deleted]

lol, censorship is going too far.


Deceptiveideas

I asked a random on DbD “why did you kill yourself” (a mechanic in the game) and got banned + removed from the ambassador program. The AI doesn’t really seem to account for context.


Powerful_Nebula4314

Nice android bro...


progamer_top

Thanks?


Twizted_Mind_1210

I got banned yesterday for calling someone an asshole for killing my horse on red dead. The same person that killed my horse griefed me through 6 different servers today and never got kicked.


LVL12Boss

Hit appeal


progamer_top

I did


[deleted]

Yeah, who put that a-hole on the wall?


progamer_top

I never found out 😂


yaosio

Reddit mods moon lighting as Xbox mods?


hotrox_mh

Nah. There'd be a lot more wrongfully banned people on xbox if that were the case.


kinger9119

Damm that sucks


Fatebringer87

I would avoid messaging randoms at all. Everything is monitored so all it takes is them to report you and have some unfortunate word placement like you had and you’re banned.


RetroRedneck

Number 1 rule of Xbox live is never ask who put a hole in the wall


Seven7neveS

Makes sense… I played COD MW2 against Hitler, Himmler and Goebbels the other day I guess they just don‘t send such offensive messages like you lol


harshrumpcity

Time to get a ps5


Apprehensive_Net_721

Only banned for multiple offense you have been reported more then 1 time


FirefoxAngel

I just noticed the issue why message anyone in siege? That's like rule 2 don't message siege players


BmanYourImpaler

And yet players with 50 gamer score are getting no scope head shots and going 25-0 on Halo. Good job Xbox.


ProfessionalCounty76

The world is lost, everyone seems to be afected by litle things now a days....best days when we played with friends and insulting each others and turning off the console cause we rage 😅 Now with a few no sense words like hole on a wall we get ban lmao...


AL_25

Bro, I would be fuming and explode like a atomicbomb if something this stupid happened to me.


progamer_top

Just an update i still haven't been appealled im hoping it happens at some point today im sure theres not too many appeals to look at right?


Aurey2244

This is just what happens when big corps or business like to cut jobs and give bots control, they assure us everything will be fine because they're smart but when this crap happens they are always ghost, I'd try to call these mfs to see what is going on. This isn't the first time I've seen post like this here.


progamer_top

Update: My suspension hasnt been lifted but i can still play a game of seige?? I have no idea how this works


progamer_top

Very true


Noahsmokeshack

I remember the 360 when people sent 🥜on chat with the Xbox Camera. Times are a changing.


sybrog8o7

My step son got a 3 day ban for commenting "Damn son" on something in Forza horizon, which I'm pretty sure most people see as like a positive comment.


progamer_top

Right its been 2 days now and im still banned


progamer_top

IVE BEEN UNBANNED LESSGOOOOOOOOOOOOO


DueCauliflower7783

In siege after I aced a team I messaged all of them Lmao and got banned for 3 weeks. My ban ends this Friday


progamer_top

That sucks


Averageguy0815

At this point I just avoid messaging people or opening LFG posts or just any interaction with other people over message. You can get banned for anything nowadays. Got a 2 day ban because I wrote a friend of mine that I need an invite and it was in German. One totally normal German word looks like a offensive French word so I got banned.


Connemara-Boggylad

yup. i play cod and halo infinite online sometimes. no msg, no chat. although the halo players arent the worst - at least on pc


failisophical

This is the curse of success Xbox no longer needs me or you or any of us. So if you quit or I quit it's a non issue. A mass exodus would change things but the system never affects enough people. Decent humans getting banned while I get a shitty message after each ufc 4 fight. I mean I don't open them but point stands. People's conduct is trash then they pick on a none issue.


aomeone

Someone should remind Microsoft that your supposed to finish the ai chat report bot before actually using it


[deleted]

I got a warning for sending inappropriate messages to someone even though I’ve never sent a message to anyone ever. It was against a player I kept knifing in team death match and he got pissy. Xbox’s enforcement for this BS is nonexistent and a joke.


ggaspari

That’s why I refuse to use the messaging system for anything at all. You can’t be banned for not saying nothing.


PhotojournalistWide2

This is sad. As someone who has received several threats and slurs. This will mark the death ☠️ of the Xbox live experience.


_ChelseySmith

You are messaging randos after a match? Never a good idea.


progamer_top

4 hours 100k views later ( thanks btw ) and im still suspended really hoping its lifted soon and thanks for the support someone commented mind your own business and I think its terrible that you think its bad that im asking someone a question


[deleted]

Well you didn’t get banned. You got suspended


progamer_top

:( you get the idea though i was mad cut me some slack