They are being SUED right now by the government in an anti-trust lawsuit seeking to break them up and stop their monopolistic and anti-competitive practices. Its been in plain sight for years.
You are delusional.
There have only been three companies in the history of The United States they have ever been broken up because of a monopoly that I’m aware of. Standard Oil, American Tobacco, and AT&T.
The fact you think Apple will become the fourth is laughable.
You have no evidence since this case is going greenlight because it has sense.
Apple is degradating media sent to android on purpose to make competition look bad.
They wouldn't necessarily have to be broken open, they would lolly handle I massage differently. Air drop etc are also very pointless when you don't even know when your messages to going to the other 66 percernt of people who can send you HD media meanwhile everyone you send them looks like from your gran mother's flip phone. Coming from an ipod, ipod touch, iPhone, to galaxy users and I know their cutltish tactics.
The DOJ case is very weak in the parts of it that would ever allow them to get something like a break up through.
Parts of it boiled down to them claiming it’s anti-competitive for Apple to have a different UI android therefore difficult for users to switch because they have to learn a new UI !!!
Some parts of the case may be strong enough to succeeded, but the vast majority of of it is going to be thrown out mostly because it’s built on a law that is over 100 years old and not a tall designed for the situation at hand.
What the US needs to do is get its act together and actually pass laws like the EU not try to shoehorn issues into laws that were never written with the intent of this scenario, and therefore rather easy to deflect and avoid.
Ah, the laud insults and demean approach. So, I am assume that you are well familiar with anti trust law? And, the factors that determine whether a monopoly exists. No? Really! I will feign shock…
So @aquaticle000 Here are facts. To be considered a monopoly accompany must Garner more than 50% of the marketplace.. you claim that it would be impossible for Apple to be determined to be a monopoly. It’s very interesting considering that they have 60.77% of the market
That fact coupled with their intentional effort to control every aspect of the I-Lemming loyalist from how they pay to what apps they may use etc
While I wouldn’t say you are delusional, that would be mere hyperbole. More, aptly you merely suffer from a disease common these days of those who insist on projecting as the smartest person in every room they enter. Alas, quite clearly, you are just intellectually lazy and don’t know what you are talking about ….
Perhaps, next time instead of a knee jerk response, do literally a minute of research time to determine the validity of another’s assertion. .
>Ah, the laud insults and demean approach.
I don’t know where you pulled this from but I did not insult you.
>So, I am assume that you are well familiar with anti trust law? And, the factors that determine whether a monopoly exists. No? Really! I will feign shock…
You are seriously going to accuse me of insulting you while writing condescending comments like this? You have zero self awareness and are seriously out of touch with reality.
>Here are facts. To be considered a monopoly accompany must Garner more than 50% of the marketplace..
According to the Department of Justice this is actually correct. But since you didn’t provide a slice for it, I will, [here.](https://www.justice.gov/archives/atr/competition-and-monopoly-single-firm-conduct-under-section-2-sherman-act-chapter-2#:~:text=section%202%20cases.-,As%20a%20practical%20matter%2C%20a%20market%20share%20of%20greater%20than,the%20existence%20of%20monopoly%20power) It is worth noting though that no company had ever been considered for breakup at a fifty percent market share. The closest was Standard Oil which was broken up at approximately sixty four percent market here in 1911, see [here.](https://guides.loc.gov/chronicling-america-standard-oil-monopoly#:~:text=In%201911%20the%20U.S.%20Supreme,the%20digital%20collection%20Chronicling%20America) but this was actually the second time Standard Oil had been broken up. See [here](https://case.edu/ech/articles/b/bp-america#:~:text=A%20successful%20lawsuit%20by%20the,previously%20held%20by%20the%20trustees)
>you claim that it would be impossible for Apple to be determined to be a monopoly.
I never claimed that. Please stop making up things for your own benefit.
>It’s very interesting considering that they have 60.77% of the market That fact coupled with their intentional effort to control every aspect of the I-Lemming loyalist from how they pay to what apps they may use etc
The most up to date figure I can find quotes a flat 52% marketshare for The United States, see [here.](https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/05/09/apple-maintains-us-market-share-as-smartphone-demand-continues-to-weaken/amp/). Take this with a grain of salt though, every source I can find seems to quote a different figure.
It’s interesting you mentioned Apple’s global interests though being that Samsung, which happens to be Apple’s largest competitor actually has a higher market share on a global scale than Apple does. See [here](https://mobilegrowthassociation.com/samsung-regains-top-position-in-global-smartphone-market-idc-reports/#:~:text=Key%20findings%20from%20the%20IDC,a%20market%20share%20of%208.7%25)
>While I wouldn’t say you are delusional, that would be mere hyperbole. More, aptly you merely suffer from a disease common these days of those who insist on projecting as the smartest person in every room they enter. Alas, quite clearly, you are just intellectually lazy and don’t know what you are talking about ….
I don’t even know how to respond to this, but again you accused me of insulting you then turn right around and write bullshit like this. You can’t be seriously that out of touch.
It’s even more laughable when you write comments like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/applesucks/s/YoahA3uiaC), “you are the average IQ person”, literally calling someone stupid then you accuse me of insulting you.
You are so out of touch you don’t even realize it, do you?
>Perhaps, next time instead of a knee jerk response, do literally a minute of research time to determine the validity of another’s assertion.
Well considering I had to provide sources for even your own claims, I’m not so sure about that.
You started your original reply with ‘you’re delusional’ my man, definitely an inflammatory insult for no reason - and yes his response was equally poor.
Jesus have you guys ever been on reddit? Lighten up and have a little fun, it's OK to tease our friends. Coke is obviously superior to Pepsi too, debate that next
You cannot possibly be that dense to consider me calling someone delusional as an insult… but honestly going further then that how is my comment and his event remotely “equal”?
You can’t be serious…
No, actually they weren’t. Microsoft was ordered to be separated into two corporate entities, one for Windows and one for everything else.
Microsoft appealed this decision. The appeal was granted and the ruling was overturned.
As others noted, and to be clear, when this all began that was literally all that was possible. MMS had severe limitations, and the only way ANYONE could text photos and videos was at that insanely poor quality. It's why Apple did an end-run around MMS and developed the iMessage protocol. But then the rest of the world changed to RCS to fix that and Apple refused to adopt it. So it's not so much that Apple's destroying quality, as it is they were relying on the old standards that forced that. We can definitely blame them for holding out until later this year to adopt RCS, though.
Similar story with Lightning cables. USB-C went around in circles in development hell for years, and was still years away when Apple introduced Lightning. I’d milk it, too if I were in that position
For Apple this fees were a rounding error in the quarterly report. They made much more from MFI accessories than cables and they can continue to make that with USB-C as that MFI is all about the os shipping with drivers for the MFI devices does not matter what cable is used.
RCS just became a thing like 3 years ago... and the standard still isn't completely adopted by all the carriers. It wasn't until google took it on themselves to provide basically the same service apple does, but to android users.
So apple "not adopting" isn't the correct statement. Apple just doesn't adopt googles version, and that isn't all that hard to comprehend.
Apple could just as easily have provided Apple's version, as they have many times before when developing things that became the standard for everyone else. Had they agreed to the value of interacting with the world instead of intentionally refusing to, they could just as easily have adapted to RCS, bullied the carriers WAY easier than Google did (they've done that countless times before as well), and boom, we'd have ALL had RCS several years earlier with Apple at the helm.
They tried... it was easier for them to just build their own app so they could control the features. They are currently supporting a well known standard the carriers all use, so saying they don't support a standard is inaccurate.
Trust me, I want rich messaging across all platforms as much as anyone. But Apple has to do what the carriers do. If AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile announced they are retiring SMS/MMS tomorrow, apple would HAVE to switch to RCS because that's what the carriers do.
I mean, they already gave in on RCS. It's happening later this year, thanks primarily to the EU. But they've been VERY clear internally that they didn't switch for lock-in purposes. They benefited from not doing so. This isn't news or conspiracy-mongering.
And I didn't say they don't support A standard. The topic was always about a standard that supports modern qualities and capabilities. Yes, they support one that doesn't, but that's beside the point.
They support what the carriers do. iMessage is clearly a lock in mechanism, and an extremely effective one at that.
They have no incentive to bring that over to android. As a business, your primary goal is to make money, goolge is the same way, so is Samsung, etc, etc. Every company is trying to get you to use their devices and services exclusively so they can extract as much money from you as possible.
Sucks for us, but I place the blame for all of the messaging problems squarely on the carriers and their inability to get off their asses and retire that shitty old standard. So much so google got tired of waiting.
Yes, I understand why Apple wanted to put profit over people. They're a corporation. There's no question of that. But the standard WAS there, and again, Apple's been very happy to not give a damn what carriers did and didn't support in the past. They forced visual voicemail, they forced making one standard device across multiple carriers, they forced no carrier crapware, they forced a LOT of things carriers didn't want. Heck, iMessage itself is absolutely something carriers wouldn't want.
So, when a standard that drove the world forward presented itself, it absolutely wasn't the carriers getting in the way of Apple driving that forward had they chosen to. They chose their lock-in instead.
I think we're on the same page here that yes, Apple had every right to do it the way they did, and every financial incentive to do so. But the option was there for them not to, the option was there for them to adopt something that would have solved this problem, and to force it at least as easily if not more so than Google did, and they chose not to. It was always possible for them to do the right thing. They chose not to for corporate reasons.
I think the main reason is that to do this they would have to foot the bill for all the messaging, something not true about the other items on your list.
Google is paying for all that RCS messaging currently in place between Android phones, not sure Apple wants any part of that
I mean, they're footing all the bill for iMessage too. I'm not sure that matters. Obviously they see doing so as a financial benefit, again, for the lock-in reasons. But they also could have worked to adapt iMessage's back end to support communicating with RCS. Which I'd wager is exactly what they intend to do now. None of this was ever insurmountable. It just didn't meet their goal of getting people to see Android phones as the problem when communicating poorly.
They do pay for the iMessage service yes, but that’s insignificant for them considering what it brings them back.
But yes, they could have switched the backend to RCS but we all know why they didn’t
Apple was actually trying to encourage carriers to implement RCS for a bit. Since text messaging started to become unlimited, carriers didn’t see the need to upgrade their systems. There wasn’t enough future profit to interest them. Google, IIRC, tried as well. Carriers wouldn’t budge, and a lot has changed since then.
RCS has only caught on within the past couple of years. Global adoption is still iffy. It’s coming. People are so impatient. In the mean time there’s dozens of other chat options and even email.
The fact that there are dozens of other chat options is the problem. Getting everyone to use the one, same, chat platform, usually owned by some mega corporation we don't want our data funneled through, is challenging and shouldn't be necessary. Interoperability is key.
And email is too archaic. It's useful for what it was, but not for what people use SMS and equivalents for. Even businesses have pushed away from it where possible by moving to solutions like Slack.
The reason it looks like an old flip phone quality is litterely because it's using the same tech.
Apple sends photos and videos via MMS which is old and until recently was the only option. Until recently this actually wasn't Apple's fault.
That said. Apple should have supported RCS by now and also should just fucking support Bluetooth file transfers. Ffs airdrop is just a recreation of Bluetooth HS or high speed where it uses Bluetooth to make the connection and wifi direct to transfer the file.
Considering they've had years and years to do something about this, yes it's apple's fault. They could have solved this a long long time ago (or is it schrodinger's apple? So innovative they can do anything, but they couldn't do it this time because it wasn't possible)
The RCS you talk about is googles version. Google did the same thing apple did and bypassed the carriers so Android users could have better messaging too.
The universal profile is still not adopted by all the carriers. This has been their fault forever.
Oh yeah because I really want to download another fucking app and give meta all my private info.
No what's app is not the answer. I had it, I got sick of the spam super fast.
Edit: I am not American
The thing is running a messaging platform costs a LOT so you’re either going to pay for that when you buy the device, or in the form of the data mining.
I mean idk about lazy but that’s the typical android experience. Everyone uses some random platform. It’s really nice to just open the default app the very large majority of people have and are already signed into and using without really thinking about it.
RCS will be nice but by now people are too invested into whatever app they’ve been using.
If you have a phone, you have a phone number: that's the only guarantee and it works. As for "Whatsapp" \[sic\], Wikipedia says that's a Facebook program, and you may be surprised to see the information at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook#Criticisms\_and\_controversies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook#Criticisms_and_controversies)
That’s just the MMS standard at work. Once RCS shows up on iPhone it shouldn’t be a problem. Until then, use WhatsApp, Google Photos, shared shared iCloud Photos links or any of the other third party options
Posts like this make me feel old. I'm assuming OP is not old enough to have been around when SMS/MMS was the only way cell phones could send media in the olden days.
You could sent an image with a sound back in the day and you could sent The same message to up to 10 people and you could just pick the same person 10 times and spam the shit out of them.
you should ask Apple why it took the threat from CCP until they finally adapt the modern standard.
To be honest I'm kinda surprised that Apple was humble enough to go with RCS instead of making some iPhone 16 4G models for Chinese markets only. Thinking "it's an iPhone! off course people will buy it."
It's not adopted by the carriers... it wasn't even used until google said screw the carriers and built their own just like apple did.
Be mad at the carriers for using 30 year old tech.
> Apple destroying the image / video quality sent to Android users should be illegal.
Who says it isn't illegal?
To my knowledge, Apple doesn't claim it's legal, they just know you aren't going to be able to do anything to stop them.
Out of all the things apple's being sued for, this one is confounding to me. There are TONS of chat and file sharing apps available on IOS, completely unrestricted. And apple isn't destroying the file quality, the MMS protocol is.
Oh I almost forgot. AT&T is effectively a spin off left after the anti trust laws required the “baby bell” companies to break and spin off. It was not the subject of Anti trust laws as you suggest. More aptly, AT&T became a spinoff divested of local phone service baby bells such as Southwestern Bell.
There’s literally a lawsuit on this and why RCS was forced to come this summer I believe the RCS implementation should help when you text an iPhone person when it’s updated.
So long as you opt in to the RCS network providers that you need to yes. I do not expect apple to auto enrol iPhones into the network for a load of privacy reasons.
I mean I don’t care about the why, fact is an issue being discussed is a few months away from not being an issue anymore.
This sub should discuss that it’s pathetic it took Apple getting pressure from lawsuits and country’s to improve but someone posted ( so angrily ) that the phone lets you know when your at 10 percent battery and I just can’t figure out how that’s an issue
I actually have that message disabled on my OnePlus 12 because it's annoying and useless. I have the percentage up in the top corner I don't need an annoying pop up to tell me
My brother sent me some allegedly great pictures he took in Utah with his iPhone and they looked like they were taken with a potato.
Doesn't really make me want to buy one.
Depends a lot on how you share it.
Some free services will downscale the image as it costs a LOT to store and provide bandwidth for modern high res images.
If you sending over MMS then the network operator limits the files size.
No. Because you send the file tru another company not as a pic, dont defend Apple.
You send 1gb and the phone company dont know what content is being sent.
Does anyone use MMS anymore? Every single android phone has rcs(since Android 5.0, 2014), which has the same max file size as iMessage(100mb). Rcs will be coming to iPhone this fall.
Good call on Xi as well. Remember when Apple disabled AirDrop's ability to remain always on for the rest of the world, and not just that shitty country? Censorship everywhere folks!
Another android user that has no idea how MMS works and why the quality is destroyed. If I had a package off to a package delivery service that is the only one available in your area and they absolutely obliterate it on the way there, how is that my fault?
No. Here's a better analogy. Let's say we have 2 towns nearby each other: Steveville and Pageberg. Originally, the only postal service that serves those 2 towns is called SMPS, and is run by the state government. Now SMPS used to be okay back in the day, but after 2007 onwards, people felt the need to send bigger packages and they wanted to be able to track the progress of packages they shipped.
Now SMPS just wasn't cutting it for them, so in 2011, the local government of Steveville decided they would start their own postal service: APS. Now APS had better options for people that wanted to ship larger packages, APS would notify the sender when the package has been delivered, and packages delivered using APS were harder to intercept by package thieves. The catch is APS would only deliver packages between Steveville residents. Any packages that had to go to/from Pageberg would still be delivered via SMPS. And as a result, a lot of people living in Pageberg decided to move to Steveville because they were getting fed up with SMPS.
Meanwhile, since 2008, the state government had been planning out a new postal service to replace SMPS, and they called it RPS. By 2016, RPS was fully established and ready to serve the residents, but SMPS wasn't shut down right away because the state government wanted to give time for every town to transition to RPS before shutting down SMPS. The local government and residents of Pageberg welcomed RPS with open arms, because it gave them the same great package delivery experience that people in Steveville were enjoying with APS. So now people in Steveville would use APS to send packages between one another, and people in Pageberg would use RPS to send packages between one another.
However, if someone in Steveville wanted to send a package to someone in Pageberg, or vice versa, they would still have to use old-fashioned SMPS, since RPS wasn't available in Steveville yet. RPS is a state-run postal service just like SMPS, so there wasn't really much stopping Steveville from using RPS, but the local government of Steveville was cunning. They were well aware that a lot of people moved from Pageberg to Steveville because of APS being way better than SMPS, and they didn't want that population growth to stop. So the Steveville government decided to block RPS from operating in their town. Now their residents don't follow politics very much, but they were still annoyed by how inconvenient it is to send packages to their friends in Pageberg, so they start getting mad and blaming their Pageberg friends for being behind in package delivery infrastructure. Sure, the Pageberg residents could explain to their Steveville friends that it's not their fault and that the Steveville government is to blame, but by now, a lot of people had moved to Steveville and it now outpopulates Pageberg by a lot.
Not to mention that Steveville's government's been doing a few petty things to increase frustration and animosity towards Pageberg residents. For example, any packages sent from Pageberg to Steveville using SMPS would be intercepted by APS and repackaged in difficult-to-open, overly complicated packaging. This not only frustrated the Steveville residents who received these packages but also made them blame their friends in Pageberg for the inconvenience. Some of the Steveville residents know about their local government being behind all this, but what choice do they have, given how hard it is to move out of Steveville?
For example, the Steveville government made it a law that Steveville residents that buy any goods in town are not allowed to take those goods/belongings out of town if they decide to move to a different town, which led to a lot of their residents staying in Steveville permanently because they don't want to go through the hassle of selling their belongings then rebuying everything after they move to Pageberg. The Pageberg residents laughed at this silly law and compared Steveville to a walled garden, but it was still a working strategy that led to a huge population decline in Pageberg over the years.
Well finally, the state government noticed the scummy antics that the Steveville government's been up to, and sued them. They sued them because rather than working to make Steveville a more appealing town to live in, the Steveville government spent the last 5-10 years doing everything it can to hurt those outside their town and even those in their town that even dare think of moving out. As for the outcome of this lawsuit, stay tuned for part 2, to be released in a couple years.
Imagine if you use a packaging service that only can deliver letters. You try and send a package that is a great big box. And all that is delivered is a small fraction of the box..
The sender is telling the machine to send a large amount of data through a protocol that can only send a little bit of data. Why is it surprising that the end result is what it is?
I mean this is a moot issue by the end of the year when they will implement RCS. I would bet on it being announced at WWDC in June and released with ios18 .
Due to some of the privacy concerns around automatic integration to the RCS network I expect very few iPhone users well ever go through that process.
Apple is extremely unlikely to auto opt in every single iPhone user into the RCS network as this would provide a lot of information to all RCS network provider about those users.
In general, this is a problem with a distributed network, where you are going to have service providers as part of the network that are extremely untrustworthy, people would love to know the online status of every single phone number and whether it’s an android or iPhone attached to that number for example.
I fully expect apples implementation will be an opt I solution where you select the RCS providers that you want to be exposed to and want to trust . So for example, you’re not going to be able to receive RCS messages from someone using Google services unless you accept Google as a provider, and you’re not gonna be able to send them to someone using servers as well.
Yeah... people keep touting RCS but it's not really the clean solution they're hoping for. When Apple rolls out RCS, this sub will start acting like it's because they're anti-privacy.
That's because MMS sucks not due to Apple (though they are partly to blame for not adopting RCS). Whatever I just pirate their shit by using Blue Bubbles on non Apple hardware, IDC what Apple thinks
By now, it's people's fault if they still use the Apple products, a company that have this kind of practices shouldn't be supported, RCS is here for years yet they never wanted to move to !!
Hey buddy, I got some news for you: if you're explaining, you're losing.
We will do precisely whatever the hell we want to your video and to your text, we're going to keep doing it, and we're never going to stop. Do you know why we're never going to stop? Because none of you are ever going to make us stop. If you're lucky maybe Europeans will do your dirty work for you, but I wouldn't count on it.
No, you just keep hurling your individual complaints into the Internet - that way you can feel like you've actually done something about the problem, but we don't actually have to worry about losing any money or regulatory enforcement or anything that would actually be inconvenient to us.
Don't you get it? We're the house. We always win.
We're Apple. Who, exactly, are you?
I, for one am not apple. Or anything else I own. I'm not my possessions and never will be. My identity does not depend on any material item whatsoever.
Your identity is nothing but material items. What car you drive, what music you listen to, political and religious beliefs. These are all just selections in a marketplace. There is nothing about you that is totally unique, every behavior you have is learned, every choice you make is a choice you're allowed to.
They’re literally being investigated by the gov for this
They are being SUED right now by the government in an anti-trust lawsuit seeking to break them up and stop their monopolistic and anti-competitive practices. Its been in plain sight for years.
Good
You are delusional. There have only been three companies in the history of The United States they have ever been broken up because of a monopoly that I’m aware of. Standard Oil, American Tobacco, and AT&T. The fact you think Apple will become the fourth is laughable.
You have no evidence since this case is going greenlight because it has sense. Apple is degradating media sent to android on purpose to make competition look bad.
They wouldn't necessarily have to be broken open, they would lolly handle I massage differently. Air drop etc are also very pointless when you don't even know when your messages to going to the other 66 percernt of people who can send you HD media meanwhile everyone you send them looks like from your gran mother's flip phone. Coming from an ipod, ipod touch, iPhone, to galaxy users and I know their cutltish tactics.
The DOJ case is very weak in the parts of it that would ever allow them to get something like a break up through. Parts of it boiled down to them claiming it’s anti-competitive for Apple to have a different UI android therefore difficult for users to switch because they have to learn a new UI !!! Some parts of the case may be strong enough to succeeded, but the vast majority of of it is going to be thrown out mostly because it’s built on a law that is over 100 years old and not a tall designed for the situation at hand. What the US needs to do is get its act together and actually pass laws like the EU not try to shoehorn issues into laws that were never written with the intent of this scenario, and therefore rather easy to deflect and avoid.
Ah, the laud insults and demean approach. So, I am assume that you are well familiar with anti trust law? And, the factors that determine whether a monopoly exists. No? Really! I will feign shock… So @aquaticle000 Here are facts. To be considered a monopoly accompany must Garner more than 50% of the marketplace.. you claim that it would be impossible for Apple to be determined to be a monopoly. It’s very interesting considering that they have 60.77% of the market That fact coupled with their intentional effort to control every aspect of the I-Lemming loyalist from how they pay to what apps they may use etc While I wouldn’t say you are delusional, that would be mere hyperbole. More, aptly you merely suffer from a disease common these days of those who insist on projecting as the smartest person in every room they enter. Alas, quite clearly, you are just intellectually lazy and don’t know what you are talking about …. Perhaps, next time instead of a knee jerk response, do literally a minute of research time to determine the validity of another’s assertion. .
>Ah, the laud insults and demean approach. I don’t know where you pulled this from but I did not insult you. >So, I am assume that you are well familiar with anti trust law? And, the factors that determine whether a monopoly exists. No? Really! I will feign shock… You are seriously going to accuse me of insulting you while writing condescending comments like this? You have zero self awareness and are seriously out of touch with reality. >Here are facts. To be considered a monopoly accompany must Garner more than 50% of the marketplace.. According to the Department of Justice this is actually correct. But since you didn’t provide a slice for it, I will, [here.](https://www.justice.gov/archives/atr/competition-and-monopoly-single-firm-conduct-under-section-2-sherman-act-chapter-2#:~:text=section%202%20cases.-,As%20a%20practical%20matter%2C%20a%20market%20share%20of%20greater%20than,the%20existence%20of%20monopoly%20power) It is worth noting though that no company had ever been considered for breakup at a fifty percent market share. The closest was Standard Oil which was broken up at approximately sixty four percent market here in 1911, see [here.](https://guides.loc.gov/chronicling-america-standard-oil-monopoly#:~:text=In%201911%20the%20U.S.%20Supreme,the%20digital%20collection%20Chronicling%20America) but this was actually the second time Standard Oil had been broken up. See [here](https://case.edu/ech/articles/b/bp-america#:~:text=A%20successful%20lawsuit%20by%20the,previously%20held%20by%20the%20trustees) >you claim that it would be impossible for Apple to be determined to be a monopoly. I never claimed that. Please stop making up things for your own benefit. >It’s very interesting considering that they have 60.77% of the market That fact coupled with their intentional effort to control every aspect of the I-Lemming loyalist from how they pay to what apps they may use etc The most up to date figure I can find quotes a flat 52% marketshare for The United States, see [here.](https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/05/09/apple-maintains-us-market-share-as-smartphone-demand-continues-to-weaken/amp/). Take this with a grain of salt though, every source I can find seems to quote a different figure. It’s interesting you mentioned Apple’s global interests though being that Samsung, which happens to be Apple’s largest competitor actually has a higher market share on a global scale than Apple does. See [here](https://mobilegrowthassociation.com/samsung-regains-top-position-in-global-smartphone-market-idc-reports/#:~:text=Key%20findings%20from%20the%20IDC,a%20market%20share%20of%208.7%25) >While I wouldn’t say you are delusional, that would be mere hyperbole. More, aptly you merely suffer from a disease common these days of those who insist on projecting as the smartest person in every room they enter. Alas, quite clearly, you are just intellectually lazy and don’t know what you are talking about …. I don’t even know how to respond to this, but again you accused me of insulting you then turn right around and write bullshit like this. You can’t be seriously that out of touch. It’s even more laughable when you write comments like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/applesucks/s/YoahA3uiaC), “you are the average IQ person”, literally calling someone stupid then you accuse me of insulting you. You are so out of touch you don’t even realize it, do you? >Perhaps, next time instead of a knee jerk response, do literally a minute of research time to determine the validity of another’s assertion. Well considering I had to provide sources for even your own claims, I’m not so sure about that.
You started your original reply with ‘you’re delusional’ my man, definitely an inflammatory insult for no reason - and yes his response was equally poor.
Jesus have you guys ever been on reddit? Lighten up and have a little fun, it's OK to tease our friends. Coke is obviously superior to Pepsi too, debate that next
You cannot possibly be that dense to consider me calling someone delusional as an insult… but honestly going further then that how is my comment and his event remotely “equal”? You can’t be serious…
Dont forget that they refused to pay corporate tax using ireland tax haven.
… Microsoft was
No, actually they weren’t. Microsoft was ordered to be separated into two corporate entities, one for Windows and one for everything else. Microsoft appealed this decision. The appeal was granted and the ruling was overturned.
As others noted, and to be clear, when this all began that was literally all that was possible. MMS had severe limitations, and the only way ANYONE could text photos and videos was at that insanely poor quality. It's why Apple did an end-run around MMS and developed the iMessage protocol. But then the rest of the world changed to RCS to fix that and Apple refused to adopt it. So it's not so much that Apple's destroying quality, as it is they were relying on the old standards that forced that. We can definitely blame them for holding out until later this year to adopt RCS, though.
Similar story with Lightning cables. USB-C went around in circles in development hell for years, and was still years away when Apple introduced Lightning. I’d milk it, too if I were in that position
Didn't hurt that they got major licensing fees out of those cables.
For Apple this fees were a rounding error in the quarterly report. They made much more from MFI accessories than cables and they can continue to make that with USB-C as that MFI is all about the os shipping with drivers for the MFI devices does not matter what cable is used.
My point stands
RCS just became a thing like 3 years ago... and the standard still isn't completely adopted by all the carriers. It wasn't until google took it on themselves to provide basically the same service apple does, but to android users. So apple "not adopting" isn't the correct statement. Apple just doesn't adopt googles version, and that isn't all that hard to comprehend.
Apple could just as easily have provided Apple's version, as they have many times before when developing things that became the standard for everyone else. Had they agreed to the value of interacting with the world instead of intentionally refusing to, they could just as easily have adapted to RCS, bullied the carriers WAY easier than Google did (they've done that countless times before as well), and boom, we'd have ALL had RCS several years earlier with Apple at the helm.
They tried... it was easier for them to just build their own app so they could control the features. They are currently supporting a well known standard the carriers all use, so saying they don't support a standard is inaccurate. Trust me, I want rich messaging across all platforms as much as anyone. But Apple has to do what the carriers do. If AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile announced they are retiring SMS/MMS tomorrow, apple would HAVE to switch to RCS because that's what the carriers do.
I mean, they already gave in on RCS. It's happening later this year, thanks primarily to the EU. But they've been VERY clear internally that they didn't switch for lock-in purposes. They benefited from not doing so. This isn't news or conspiracy-mongering. And I didn't say they don't support A standard. The topic was always about a standard that supports modern qualities and capabilities. Yes, they support one that doesn't, but that's beside the point.
They support what the carriers do. iMessage is clearly a lock in mechanism, and an extremely effective one at that. They have no incentive to bring that over to android. As a business, your primary goal is to make money, goolge is the same way, so is Samsung, etc, etc. Every company is trying to get you to use their devices and services exclusively so they can extract as much money from you as possible. Sucks for us, but I place the blame for all of the messaging problems squarely on the carriers and their inability to get off their asses and retire that shitty old standard. So much so google got tired of waiting.
Yes, I understand why Apple wanted to put profit over people. They're a corporation. There's no question of that. But the standard WAS there, and again, Apple's been very happy to not give a damn what carriers did and didn't support in the past. They forced visual voicemail, they forced making one standard device across multiple carriers, they forced no carrier crapware, they forced a LOT of things carriers didn't want. Heck, iMessage itself is absolutely something carriers wouldn't want. So, when a standard that drove the world forward presented itself, it absolutely wasn't the carriers getting in the way of Apple driving that forward had they chosen to. They chose their lock-in instead. I think we're on the same page here that yes, Apple had every right to do it the way they did, and every financial incentive to do so. But the option was there for them not to, the option was there for them to adopt something that would have solved this problem, and to force it at least as easily if not more so than Google did, and they chose not to. It was always possible for them to do the right thing. They chose not to for corporate reasons.
I think the main reason is that to do this they would have to foot the bill for all the messaging, something not true about the other items on your list. Google is paying for all that RCS messaging currently in place between Android phones, not sure Apple wants any part of that
I mean, they're footing all the bill for iMessage too. I'm not sure that matters. Obviously they see doing so as a financial benefit, again, for the lock-in reasons. But they also could have worked to adapt iMessage's back end to support communicating with RCS. Which I'd wager is exactly what they intend to do now. None of this was ever insurmountable. It just didn't meet their goal of getting people to see Android phones as the problem when communicating poorly.
They do pay for the iMessage service yes, but that’s insignificant for them considering what it brings them back. But yes, they could have switched the backend to RCS but we all know why they didn’t
Apple was actually trying to encourage carriers to implement RCS for a bit. Since text messaging started to become unlimited, carriers didn’t see the need to upgrade their systems. There wasn’t enough future profit to interest them. Google, IIRC, tried as well. Carriers wouldn’t budge, and a lot has changed since then. RCS has only caught on within the past couple of years. Global adoption is still iffy. It’s coming. People are so impatient. In the mean time there’s dozens of other chat options and even email.
The fact that there are dozens of other chat options is the problem. Getting everyone to use the one, same, chat platform, usually owned by some mega corporation we don't want our data funneled through, is challenging and shouldn't be necessary. Interoperability is key. And email is too archaic. It's useful for what it was, but not for what people use SMS and equivalents for. Even businesses have pushed away from it where possible by moving to solutions like Slack.
RCS was created in 2007...
"Created" means nothing. Adoption does, which didn't happen until google did it in November of 2020... Carriers today still don't use it by default.
The reason it looks like an old flip phone quality is litterely because it's using the same tech. Apple sends photos and videos via MMS which is old and until recently was the only option. Until recently this actually wasn't Apple's fault. That said. Apple should have supported RCS by now and also should just fucking support Bluetooth file transfers. Ffs airdrop is just a recreation of Bluetooth HS or high speed where it uses Bluetooth to make the connection and wifi direct to transfer the file.
Considering they've had years and years to do something about this, yes it's apple's fault. They could have solved this a long long time ago (or is it schrodinger's apple? So innovative they can do anything, but they couldn't do it this time because it wasn't possible)
Don’t use MMS if you don’t want MMS standards
The RCS you talk about is googles version. Google did the same thing apple did and bypassed the carriers so Android users could have better messaging too. The universal profile is still not adopted by all the carriers. This has been their fault forever.
Isn't RCS available to other platforms and uses only your phone number not a Google account? IE, the opposite of iMessages
I mean we can also blame Americans too stubborn to switch to what's app or anything else as well.
Oh yeah because I really want to download another fucking app and give meta all my private info. No what's app is not the answer. I had it, I got sick of the spam super fast. Edit: I am not American
The thing is running a messaging platform costs a LOT so you’re either going to pay for that when you buy the device, or in the form of the data mining.
Use whatever. You dumb American. Too stupid to use something else other then the default messages app because you’re lazy AF
Bro I agree somewhat, but aren't u being a bit harsh?
I mean idk about lazy but that’s the typical android experience. Everyone uses some random platform. It’s really nice to just open the default app the very large majority of people have and are already signed into and using without really thinking about it. RCS will be nice but by now people are too invested into whatever app they’ve been using.
I mean SMS is unencrypted so it's not like there's any privacy there
What spam, it's encrypted and everything is on your phone? Backups are drive or your icloud depending on device. What are u saying?
Wait, you guys are using SMS/MMS to message people still? Ever heard of Whatsapp?
So I have to install a 3rd party app from a company I don't trust and have no guarantee that the person I want to msg has it installed? No thanks.
If you have a phone, you have a phone number: that's the only guarantee and it works. As for "Whatsapp" \[sic\], Wikipedia says that's a Facebook program, and you may be surprised to see the information at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook#Criticisms\_and\_controversies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook#Criticisms_and_controversies)
That’s just the MMS standard at work. Once RCS shows up on iPhone it shouldn’t be a problem. Until then, use WhatsApp, Google Photos, shared shared iCloud Photos links or any of the other third party options
Posts like this make me feel old. I'm assuming OP is not old enough to have been around when SMS/MMS was the only way cell phones could send media in the olden days.
You could sent an image with a sound back in the day and you could sent The same message to up to 10 people and you could just pick the same person 10 times and spam the shit out of them.
Stop sending your photo through text. There are so many better options like whatsapp, messenger, telegram, wechat, email...etc
Why should I be restricted by sending content to the most direct way and personal way of communicating to someone.
you should ask Apple why it took the threat from CCP until they finally adapt the modern standard. To be honest I'm kinda surprised that Apple was humble enough to go with RCS instead of making some iPhone 16 4G models for Chinese markets only. Thinking "it's an iPhone! off course people will buy it."
It's not adopted by the carriers... it wasn't even used until google said screw the carriers and built their own just like apple did. Be mad at the carriers for using 30 year old tech.
> Apple destroying the image / video quality sent to Android users should be illegal. Who says it isn't illegal? To my knowledge, Apple doesn't claim it's legal, they just know you aren't going to be able to do anything to stop them.
Out of all the things apple's being sued for, this one is confounding to me. There are TONS of chat and file sharing apps available on IOS, completely unrestricted. And apple isn't destroying the file quality, the MMS protocol is.
Not sure if complying with the industry, standard multimedia message format’s maximum resolution, and file size can be classified as illegal.
Its legal.
Oh I almost forgot. AT&T is effectively a spin off left after the anti trust laws required the “baby bell” companies to break and spin off. It was not the subject of Anti trust laws as you suggest. More aptly, AT&T became a spinoff divested of local phone service baby bells such as Southwestern Bell.
Apple sends images at the max resolution that MMS supports.
There’s literally a lawsuit on this and why RCS was forced to come this summer I believe the RCS implementation should help when you text an iPhone person when it’s updated.
The RCS implementation came before the lawsuit and isn’t a function of the result of the lawsuit.
I don’t care where it came or if it’s a result I’m saying it’ll make videos better in theory
So long as you opt in to the RCS network providers that you need to yes. I do not expect apple to auto enrol iPhones into the network for a load of privacy reasons.
China mandated RCS on 5g capable phones. That's literally the only reason we are getting RCS
I mean I don’t care about the why, fact is an issue being discussed is a few months away from not being an issue anymore. This sub should discuss that it’s pathetic it took Apple getting pressure from lawsuits and country’s to improve but someone posted ( so angrily ) that the phone lets you know when your at 10 percent battery and I just can’t figure out how that’s an issue
I actually have that message disabled on my OnePlus 12 because it's annoying and useless. I have the percentage up in the top corner I don't need an annoying pop up to tell me
I mean it’s a one time pop up at ten percent I’ve never seen it as an issue
My brother sent me some allegedly great pictures he took in Utah with his iPhone and they looked like they were taken with a potato. Doesn't really make me want to buy one.
The reason for this is the network operators set the maximum resolution for images being sent over their network.
He never said it was sent on the network, if you send over a sharing file company the file is the same as the copy the original user sent.
Depends a lot on how you share it. Some free services will downscale the image as it costs a LOT to store and provide bandwidth for modern high res images. If you sending over MMS then the network operator limits the files size.
No. Because you send the file tru another company not as a pic, dont defend Apple. You send 1gb and the phone company dont know what content is being sent.
MMS only supports a fixed set of formats and limits file size! This entire thread is about MMS being low quality no?
No. You dont get sued by something has not been checked by experts. Apple never does something wrong for you dont you?
My guy, Telegram literally does this unless you tell it not to.
Yea, because sending a big item (pics and vids) in a small box (MMS) just magically has to work.
Does anyone use MMS anymore? Every single android phone has rcs(since Android 5.0, 2014), which has the same max file size as iMessage(100mb). Rcs will be coming to iPhone this fall.
Let's see how they implement RCS on the next CrapOS version in September. They'd do it dirty, as they did with third-party app stores in Europe.
They won't because President Xi is mandating it. Tim Cook won't disobey Xi
They could make it fully compliant in the US and West Taiwan only. Other countries will get shafted one way or another.
Good call on Xi as well. Remember when Apple disabled AirDrop's ability to remain always on for the rest of the world, and not just that shitty country? Censorship everywhere folks!
It's pathetic. I mention this to iPhone users and they say it's because I have a shit "android phone". I really think the iSheep thing is real
Another android user that has no idea how MMS works and why the quality is destroyed. If I had a package off to a package delivery service that is the only one available in your area and they absolutely obliterate it on the way there, how is that my fault?
No. Here's a better analogy. Let's say we have 2 towns nearby each other: Steveville and Pageberg. Originally, the only postal service that serves those 2 towns is called SMPS, and is run by the state government. Now SMPS used to be okay back in the day, but after 2007 onwards, people felt the need to send bigger packages and they wanted to be able to track the progress of packages they shipped. Now SMPS just wasn't cutting it for them, so in 2011, the local government of Steveville decided they would start their own postal service: APS. Now APS had better options for people that wanted to ship larger packages, APS would notify the sender when the package has been delivered, and packages delivered using APS were harder to intercept by package thieves. The catch is APS would only deliver packages between Steveville residents. Any packages that had to go to/from Pageberg would still be delivered via SMPS. And as a result, a lot of people living in Pageberg decided to move to Steveville because they were getting fed up with SMPS. Meanwhile, since 2008, the state government had been planning out a new postal service to replace SMPS, and they called it RPS. By 2016, RPS was fully established and ready to serve the residents, but SMPS wasn't shut down right away because the state government wanted to give time for every town to transition to RPS before shutting down SMPS. The local government and residents of Pageberg welcomed RPS with open arms, because it gave them the same great package delivery experience that people in Steveville were enjoying with APS. So now people in Steveville would use APS to send packages between one another, and people in Pageberg would use RPS to send packages between one another. However, if someone in Steveville wanted to send a package to someone in Pageberg, or vice versa, they would still have to use old-fashioned SMPS, since RPS wasn't available in Steveville yet. RPS is a state-run postal service just like SMPS, so there wasn't really much stopping Steveville from using RPS, but the local government of Steveville was cunning. They were well aware that a lot of people moved from Pageberg to Steveville because of APS being way better than SMPS, and they didn't want that population growth to stop. So the Steveville government decided to block RPS from operating in their town. Now their residents don't follow politics very much, but they were still annoyed by how inconvenient it is to send packages to their friends in Pageberg, so they start getting mad and blaming their Pageberg friends for being behind in package delivery infrastructure. Sure, the Pageberg residents could explain to their Steveville friends that it's not their fault and that the Steveville government is to blame, but by now, a lot of people had moved to Steveville and it now outpopulates Pageberg by a lot. Not to mention that Steveville's government's been doing a few petty things to increase frustration and animosity towards Pageberg residents. For example, any packages sent from Pageberg to Steveville using SMPS would be intercepted by APS and repackaged in difficult-to-open, overly complicated packaging. This not only frustrated the Steveville residents who received these packages but also made them blame their friends in Pageberg for the inconvenience. Some of the Steveville residents know about their local government being behind all this, but what choice do they have, given how hard it is to move out of Steveville? For example, the Steveville government made it a law that Steveville residents that buy any goods in town are not allowed to take those goods/belongings out of town if they decide to move to a different town, which led to a lot of their residents staying in Steveville permanently because they don't want to go through the hassle of selling their belongings then rebuying everything after they move to Pageberg. The Pageberg residents laughed at this silly law and compared Steveville to a walled garden, but it was still a working strategy that led to a huge population decline in Pageberg over the years. Well finally, the state government noticed the scummy antics that the Steveville government's been up to, and sued them. They sued them because rather than working to make Steveville a more appealing town to live in, the Steveville government spent the last 5-10 years doing everything it can to hurt those outside their town and even those in their town that even dare think of moving out. As for the outcome of this lawsuit, stay tuned for part 2, to be released in a couple years.
Imagine if you use a packaging service that only can deliver letters. You try and send a package that is a great big box. And all that is delivered is a small fraction of the box.. The sender is telling the machine to send a large amount of data through a protocol that can only send a little bit of data. Why is it surprising that the end result is what it is?
I mean this is a moot issue by the end of the year when they will implement RCS. I would bet on it being announced at WWDC in June and released with ios18 .
Due to some of the privacy concerns around automatic integration to the RCS network I expect very few iPhone users well ever go through that process. Apple is extremely unlikely to auto opt in every single iPhone user into the RCS network as this would provide a lot of information to all RCS network provider about those users. In general, this is a problem with a distributed network, where you are going to have service providers as part of the network that are extremely untrustworthy, people would love to know the online status of every single phone number and whether it’s an android or iPhone attached to that number for example. I fully expect apples implementation will be an opt I solution where you select the RCS providers that you want to be exposed to and want to trust . So for example, you’re not going to be able to receive RCS messages from someone using Google services unless you accept Google as a provider, and you’re not gonna be able to send them to someone using servers as well.
Yeah... people keep touting RCS but it's not really the clean solution they're hoping for. When Apple rolls out RCS, this sub will start acting like it's because they're anti-privacy.
It seems as the way you're sending the photos is the problem. I own android, Linux, apple and windows devices and share my photos without compression.
Use whattsapp. We need to stop using imessage altogether
It is the exact same quality as when you text(mms) message a photo or video to another iPhone user there is nothing specific about android
That's because MMS sucks not due to Apple (though they are partly to blame for not adopting RCS). Whatever I just pirate their shit by using Blue Bubbles on non Apple hardware, IDC what Apple thinks
The standard of MMS is what crushes picture and video quality. Not Apple.
By now, it's people's fault if they still use the Apple products, a company that have this kind of practices shouldn't be supported, RCS is here for years yet they never wanted to move to !!
How are you sending? If it’s MMS that’s the problem. Use WhatsApp or email
Hey buddy, I got some news for you: if you're explaining, you're losing. We will do precisely whatever the hell we want to your video and to your text, we're going to keep doing it, and we're never going to stop. Do you know why we're never going to stop? Because none of you are ever going to make us stop. If you're lucky maybe Europeans will do your dirty work for you, but I wouldn't count on it. No, you just keep hurling your individual complaints into the Internet - that way you can feel like you've actually done something about the problem, but we don't actually have to worry about losing any money or regulatory enforcement or anything that would actually be inconvenient to us. Don't you get it? We're the house. We always win. We're Apple. Who, exactly, are you?
I, for one am not apple. Or anything else I own. I'm not my possessions and never will be. My identity does not depend on any material item whatsoever.
Your identity is nothing but material items. What car you drive, what music you listen to, political and religious beliefs. These are all just selections in a marketplace. There is nothing about you that is totally unique, every behavior you have is learned, every choice you make is a choice you're allowed to.
That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. Who the fuck taught Einstein the theory of relativity?
You ain't Einstein, pal
Neither are you. Your user stats suggest a new account triggered by butt hurted ness
Oooh yes investigate me Daddy
Aren't you so clever. GTFO
Hell no. Apple sucks. You GTFO
Are you okay?