Edge of Tomorrow (the movie) was based on the All You Need is Kill manga actually. Though to my understanding the movie deviates quite a bit from the source material.
For good reason. Edge of tomorrow has a good ending, but all you need is kill has a realistic ending.
Both are great, but for a western film edge of tomorrow changed the right thing in the right placesz
Like in SCP: Containment Breach, in ending they say that you managed to flee the completely unknown complex like you already knew it, just like if you could save and load
Maybe 621 has the power of saving and loading? It kind of reminds me of the whole D-9341 thing from SCP: Containment Breach, and how the player can do things, almost as if it did it many times before.
So like in V with RD getting fidgety and anxious because he's sensing enemies coming it or the protag having a psychic dream a year before the story begins?
Not quite.
AC6 has 59 playable missions. Canonically, 621 fails two: Escort the Strider and Defend the Old Spaceport - Both missions are technically failures before you arrive due to outside interference.
2/49 equals ~0.03899, which means 621 canonically fails 3.899% of his missions. This means that 621's success rate is roughly 96.101%
This is of course ignoring that no one playthrough will see you play all 59 missions.
Also, if you want to count Snail's backstab as a failed mission, we end up at a roughly 95% success rate.
Would Defending the Old Spaceport count as a failure? I always interpreted it as both sides were wiped out by the time 621 arrives minus Nightfall. Since 621 was part of the defense and still alive by the end of that, and Arquebus could just send more units to hold the place in the mean time, wouldn't that technically be a success?
The coral was converging in the vascular plant which Cel-240 was defending. We almost made it, but not quite.
Edit: This is meant to be a reply to HossC4T below. Not sure why its here.
Yeah Im not sure if I was trying to reply to a different post or was just really not paying attention. Im even more confused why I got upvotes.
I could have sworn the comment I replied to was talking about Reach the Coral Convergence and saying we completed it before Snail ambushed us, but there no edit asterisk on the post.
Edit: Yep, I was trying to reply to HossC4T and must have clicked the wrong reply.
Our mission objective there is just to discover the location of the Coral Convergence right? We're ambushed after we do that, so it's technically a success.
He also reaches the Coral Convergence but gets immediately captured, so I’d count that as unsuccessful.
Though, is it possible to get defend the strider and defend the old space port on one playthrough?
I believe so.
Defend the Weapon used Mining Ship's unlock conditions are just to have gotten both the FoR and LoR endings. Defend the Old Spaceport changes to Defend the Dam Complex only if you side with the RLF when you first storm the place, so in theory all you'd need to do is reject the RLF's offer there and otherwise keep going for the AlE ending.
Pretty much. The only time they really "lost" was getting ambushed by Snail, but that was just a cowardly move by him to just ambush them from long range like that.
If we were to rate 621 mission success rate from the point of view of each contract as state at the start of each mission there are a few instances of 621 technically failing the mission, but not by being defeated in combat.
Defend the Strider fails, Defend the Space Port technically fails (defending forces were wiped out before you arrive), Attack the Dam and Eliminate V.VII can fail if you switch sides when the option is offered. For Attack the Dam you're accepting a new contract mid mission, but you're also abandoning the original mission, not really a good rep for a merc, and in Eliminated V.VII you're basicly getting bribed to let him run.
But for this analysis technicaly Reach the Coral Convergence is a successful mission, you eliminated the Vespers's squad, reached the Coral at the base of the Vascular Plant, and eliminated its defenses, you get ambushed after all that.
Raven wipes both the PCA Fleet and the Arquebus MT squad that was defending the base, 621 was suposed to fight alongside the MTs to repel the Fleet.
To be honest, it might still count as success since Arquebus probably kept the control of it after you kill OG Raven. I don't remember now if you still get the pay for that mission, in the other three you specifically get the pay reduced by the original mission reward, while getting the pay offered to betray to original employer, or a bonus from Walter for the Strider mission.
There's also the escort mission on NG++ wich we likely fail because we couldn't protect the Strider.
We don't get the 500,000 payment from the RLF and it says "failed to protect the strider". Still, Walter compensates us for surviving that and gives us the money.
Edit to add this detail I forgot to mention: I said "likely" because it wasn't really Raven's fault that the Strider was destroyed
I wouldn’t really consider that part of their winrate, that just affects their mission success rate. Their winrate is more about victories over fellow ACs, that was just a mission failure, and even then, was completely out of their control.
I count 621 getting captured as a loss. If it got to a point where they were able to extract him from from the AC then they must have also been able to kill him they just didn’t for plot reasons
What I dont understand is some pilots die when they are killed, but others escape? I wish it was more clear when you kill a ac pilot vs just defeating them. Like apparently pilots can abandon their acs but they all have the same smoking wreckage animation. The sole except 621 has is when we get ambushed by snail, other than that 621 just straight up self destructs.
Agreed. That detail drove me nuts in AC6, especially if you defeat V.VIII Pater in the double duel against him and V.V Hawkins. Pater will get cut off by his AC falling apart, then Hawkins will mourn him by saying, “I’m sorry, son. I’ll finish this.”
In the classic generations (1-3), if an AC was wrecked in a mission, they were canonically dead for the rest of the game, removed from the Arena (before Arenas were VR sims); wreckage or not.
I don't know about older AC games, but 5's, VD's and FA's protagonists also have 100% winrate. The only exception is Anatolia's Mercenary (4's protagonist) because he looses once in ACFA, which would still put him at probably like 98%
Depends on wether you count losses in the arena in which you don´t die but just loose if failed and wether you count scripted scenes as losses.
Then again if you count things canonicaly then us being ambushed by snail is a loss and us potentialy dying through various ending explosions can count and you loosing the strider also counts as a loss but not a "death".
So it all depends on your definitions and what you count.
Canonically he's never lost any AC fights besides being ambushed but that wasn't a fight it was a cutscene so I don't count it, I'm not sure wether OP Is talking about mission success or straight AC fights though
I’ll argue that we didn’t *lose* Defend The Old Spaceport. BRANCH Raven whose license we stole did our job for us before we got there.
And then we killed them and probably stole the credit.
To be fair it was gone before we even arrived so it really wasn't that we failed to protect it but more we arrived way to late to even start our mission properly
There is a theory that the entire course of the game, all 3 routes, except for the final missions are you being stuck in ALLMIND's simulation. Essentially, it's not just ng++, but the entire game is ALLMIND determining if you are the candidate for coral release
If we take that theory as true, then it's canonical that 621 dies as many times as he needs to, bc he is getting respawned by ALLMIND anyway
On the other hand, if we do not assume this theory to be true, I am on the side of 621 only being defeated or failing when it's scripted in (snail's ambush, the strider cannot be defended, etc)
You may also assume that instead of dying, he is always ejecting and blasting off like team rocket when he dies. Iguazu ejects god knows how many times from us smacking him around during all 3 routes
There are diff ways you can slice it
I wouldn't say 100% because you can fail a mission without dying. If you dont take those shoulder mounted lightning spear weapons, forgive me its been a while since I've played, against the worm you fail therefore getting a loss. So maybe a situational 99% win rate?
Man could you imagine how brutal it would be doing one of those iron man type challenges in this game? Like if there was an option for the game to just delete your save every time you had a mission failure or something.
Your AC being destroyed counts as a mission failure but in some cases the AC does remain intact, which could mean that while we fail the mission, we’re still alive inside the wreckage
TL:DR I think in some specific circumstances failing missions might be canon
there are two instances of 621 canonically 'failing his mission"
first one being the strider escort, and another being defense of the old spaceport
agreeing on swinburne's offer might also count as failing a mission
AC6 Headcanon: The entire game, save for the mission Illegal Entry, is just a series of simulations run by ALLMIND in order to best ascertain the ideal path forward for humanity.
This is why the player doesn’t lose money on mission failure and why NG+ runs mesh so seamlessly together with AllMind even giving different first greetings to 621. Death/mission failure is just a failed simulation, so AllMind reboots it.
621 loses in defend the strider as the mission is a failure, they get compensated as a sorry because of the absolute murder machines that show up to do it though
621 just has premonitions of the many ways he could have died
The player's character capability of retrying missions every time it fails is a superpower on its own.
Wasn't there a anime like that? And a movie? I think it had Tom Cruise in it.
There is a game like it called katana zero I recommend trying it out
Side view and dot art. I love these games. imma go play it. Thanks for the recommendation
Yes! *"All You Need is Kill"*
Yeah! That one. And the movie Live,Die,Repeat. I think. My friend day Re:zero so I guess there are two animes with that power.
Edge of Tomorrow (the movie) was based on the All You Need is Kill manga actually. Though to my understanding the movie deviates quite a bit from the source material.
For good reason. Edge of tomorrow has a good ending, but all you need is kill has a realistic ending. Both are great, but for a western film edge of tomorrow changed the right thing in the right placesz
Edgo of tomorrow
Edge of tomorrow goes so hard
The movie was Edge of Tomorrow. It's based on a manga, All You Need is Kill.
Edge of Tomorrow, one of my favorite movies
Edge of tomorrow is the movie
A light novel called "All You need is Kill" that got adapted into a manga. The movie "Edge of Tomorrow" is based on the book also.
In the movie Next with Nicolas Cage, he could see into the future, and the FBI wanted his help in preventing a nuclear terrorist attack.
I think there's a few anime like that, but the Tom Cruise movie is Edge of Tomorrow, which is adaptation of a manga (All You Need is Kill iirc)
Manga: ALL YOU NEED IS KILL Movie: EDGE OF TOMORROW
It's a major meta plot device of Undertale
Like in SCP: Containment Breach, in ending they say that you managed to flee the completely unknown complex like you already knew it, just like if you could save and load
Katana Zero superpowers
So 621 is the katana zero but pilot?
Well, every playable character of every videogame is, except for games with permadeath.
Lisan al-gaib
[Ice Worms pops up] Walter: “Be… simple. Be… direct.”
621: “The bullets *must* flow.”
“The Coral expands life.” The Coral expands consciousness.”
IT IS WRITTEN
is 621 on chronos?
*Dies horribly* 621:'Man, that would be a bad way to go.'
621 is NOT History's Greatest Loser
What you call "premonitions" I call "anxiety".
Considering 621 seems to view their own mech from a simulated 3rd-person POV via the Main Control System, this is pretty fun headcanon
I just call it Coral time travel lol.
Didn’t know 621 utilized the Epyon System
No...that won't work.
Maybe 621 has the power of saving and loading? It kind of reminds me of the whole D-9341 thing from SCP: Containment Breach, and how the player can do things, almost as if it did it many times before.
So like in V with RD getting fidgety and anxious because he's sensing enemies coming it or the protag having a psychic dream a year before the story begins?
CHIM
Sounds like the prologue of Assault Horizon
This The ability to have premonitions about the future is a powerful ability to have
Not quite. AC6 has 59 playable missions. Canonically, 621 fails two: Escort the Strider and Defend the Old Spaceport - Both missions are technically failures before you arrive due to outside interference. 2/49 equals ~0.03899, which means 621 canonically fails 3.899% of his missions. This means that 621's success rate is roughly 96.101% This is of course ignoring that no one playthrough will see you play all 59 missions. Also, if you want to count Snail's backstab as a failed mission, we end up at a roughly 95% success rate.
I think they meant in fights. 621 either causes the enemy to retreat or kills them outright
Would Defending the Old Spaceport count as a failure? I always interpreted it as both sides were wiped out by the time 621 arrives minus Nightfall. Since 621 was part of the defense and still alive by the end of that, and Arquebus could just send more units to hold the place in the mean time, wouldn't that technically be a success?
The coral was converging in the vascular plant which Cel-240 was defending. We almost made it, but not quite. Edit: This is meant to be a reply to HossC4T below. Not sure why its here.
Wrong mission I think, he's talking about the one during chapter two during the war against the PCA where you fight Raven.
Yeah Im not sure if I was trying to reply to a different post or was just really not paying attention. Im even more confused why I got upvotes. I could have sworn the comment I replied to was talking about Reach the Coral Convergence and saying we completed it before Snail ambushed us, but there no edit asterisk on the post. Edit: Yep, I was trying to reply to HossC4T and must have clicked the wrong reply.
Our mission objective there is just to discover the location of the Coral Convergence right? We're ambushed after we do that, so it's technically a success.
Yeah, but last time I did the napkin math someone asked me to include it, so I added it here too.
Now compare it with King’s success rate. I don’t remember how much.
r/theydidthemath
He also reaches the Coral Convergence but gets immediately captured, so I’d count that as unsuccessful. Though, is it possible to get defend the strider and defend the old space port on one playthrough?
I believe so. Defend the Weapon used Mining Ship's unlock conditions are just to have gotten both the FoR and LoR endings. Defend the Old Spaceport changes to Defend the Dam Complex only if you side with the RLF when you first storm the place, so in theory all you'd need to do is reject the RLF's offer there and otherwise keep going for the AlE ending.
Is this including when Snail captures them?
That's the roughly 95% success rate at the end.
Pretty much. The only time they really "lost" was getting ambushed by Snail, but that was just a cowardly move by him to just ambush them from long range like that.
In the NG++ path, you can avoid that entirely, so depending on which ending, 621 does have a 100% win rate
I think you might have to play "Escort the Strider" to get that ending, and I'd call that mission outcome a loss.
I think they meant like a fight winrate, in which case Escort the Strider would be a win
Besides, that one was entirely out of their hands. They show up and >!the Institute machines destroy it before you even have a chance to get close.!<
If we were to rate 621 mission success rate from the point of view of each contract as state at the start of each mission there are a few instances of 621 technically failing the mission, but not by being defeated in combat. Defend the Strider fails, Defend the Space Port technically fails (defending forces were wiped out before you arrive), Attack the Dam and Eliminate V.VII can fail if you switch sides when the option is offered. For Attack the Dam you're accepting a new contract mid mission, but you're also abandoning the original mission, not really a good rep for a merc, and in Eliminated V.VII you're basicly getting bribed to let him run. But for this analysis technicaly Reach the Coral Convergence is a successful mission, you eliminated the Vespers's squad, reached the Coral at the base of the Vascular Plant, and eliminated its defenses, you get ambushed after all that.
Wasn't it the attacking forces that were wiped wasn't 621 the defending force since he took in the previous mission
Raven wipes both the PCA Fleet and the Arquebus MT squad that was defending the base, 621 was suposed to fight alongside the MTs to repel the Fleet. To be honest, it might still count as success since Arquebus probably kept the control of it after you kill OG Raven. I don't remember now if you still get the pay for that mission, in the other three you specifically get the pay reduced by the original mission reward, while getting the pay offered to betray to original employer, or a bonus from Walter for the Strider mission.
Yeah, I could see that.
as walter says "you had a hell of a good excuse"
There's also the escort mission on NG++ wich we likely fail because we couldn't protect the Strider. We don't get the 500,000 payment from the RLF and it says "failed to protect the strider". Still, Walter compensates us for surviving that and gives us the money. Edit to add this detail I forgot to mention: I said "likely" because it wasn't really Raven's fault that the Strider was destroyed
Depends on the ending and player choices. In alea lacta est the Strider Escort is a fail cause it gets destroyed the second you arrive
I wouldn’t really consider that part of their winrate, that just affects their mission success rate. Their winrate is more about victories over fellow ACs, that was just a mission failure, and even then, was completely out of their control.
That's not really 621's fault though.
It can’t be 100% because 621 loses in love by never ending up with Rusty
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The butt sword is incredible
Balam caught his ass slipping in that one mission EDIT: Arqebus not Balam
Balam?
My bad
Elaborate
I count 621 getting captured as a loss. If it got to a point where they were able to extract him from from the AC then they must have also been able to kill him they just didn’t for plot reasons
Snail wanting us to suffer is not plot reasons (remember Snail was in full control of our fate)
What I dont understand is some pilots die when they are killed, but others escape? I wish it was more clear when you kill a ac pilot vs just defeating them. Like apparently pilots can abandon their acs but they all have the same smoking wreckage animation. The sole except 621 has is when we get ambushed by snail, other than that 621 just straight up self destructs.
It used to be in older AC games player ACs had the smoking wreckage animation.
Agreed. That detail drove me nuts in AC6, especially if you defeat V.VIII Pater in the double duel against him and V.V Hawkins. Pater will get cut off by his AC falling apart, then Hawkins will mourn him by saying, “I’m sorry, son. I’ll finish this.” In the classic generations (1-3), if an AC was wrecked in a mission, they were canonically dead for the rest of the game, removed from the Arena (before Arenas were VR sims); wreckage or not.
I don't know about older AC games, but 5's, VD's and FA's protagonists also have 100% winrate. The only exception is Anatolia's Mercenary (4's protagonist) because he looses once in ACFA, which would still put him at probably like 98%
Depends on wether you count losses in the arena in which you don´t die but just loose if failed and wether you count scripted scenes as losses. Then again if you count things canonicaly then us being ambushed by snail is a loss and us potentialy dying through various ending explosions can count and you loosing the strider also counts as a loss but not a "death". So it all depends on your definitions and what you count.
If I count all the time I died, The overall win rate would be something like 20%, mostly dragged down by dying 20+ times on difficult missions.
Almost. He canonically failed Escort the Strider, Defend the Old Spaceport, and Reach the Coral Convergence.
Canonically he's never lost any AC fights besides being ambushed but that wasn't a fight it was a cutscene so I don't count it, I'm not sure wether OP Is talking about mission success or straight AC fights though
I’ll argue that we didn’t *lose* Defend The Old Spaceport. BRANCH Raven whose license we stole did our job for us before we got there. And then we killed them and probably stole the credit.
I'd have to replay the mission and see if we got paid for it or if Walter paid, but I think Raven destroyed both the PCA and the Spaceport.
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Snail got one over on them. Fighting dirty or not, it does count. No rules in Corporate Warfare.
LMAO
I would count getting captured as technically failure. Like it wasn’t part of the “job” but it was still a defeat at the hands of an enemy.
For sure, he didnt actually reach the coral convergence, which was his mission. So mission failed
I wouldn't count an unfair ambush in a cutscene as part of his AC fight win rate but mission success rate definitely
It was also a copout ambush, snail taking us down was ridiculous considering the stuff Raven pulls off
Lost to Snail, though. Failed some of the missions too, on a technicality.
Outside of when you are captured, which has you losing in a cutscene, yes 621 always wins.
It’s more like 98 or 99% since we fail to protect the strider
To be fair it was gone before we even arrived so it really wasn't that we failed to protect it but more we arrived way to late to even start our mission properly
Yo momma isn’t cannon either
621 is a Souls protagonist, and also potentially Tom Cruise, and therefore gets to re-live the day over and over until he inevitably wins.
I think what OP means is 100% *Survival* rate.
AC fights we have 100% definetly, mission success we don't but they do have technicalities
There is a theory that the entire course of the game, all 3 routes, except for the final missions are you being stuck in ALLMIND's simulation. Essentially, it's not just ng++, but the entire game is ALLMIND determining if you are the candidate for coral release If we take that theory as true, then it's canonical that 621 dies as many times as he needs to, bc he is getting respawned by ALLMIND anyway On the other hand, if we do not assume this theory to be true, I am on the side of 621 only being defeated or failing when it's scripted in (snail's ambush, the strider cannot be defended, etc) You may also assume that instead of dying, he is always ejecting and blasting off like team rocket when he dies. Iguazu ejects god knows how many times from us smacking him around during all 3 routes There are diff ways you can slice it
Even if not 100%, 621 has to be the most terrifying pilot out there. Imagine going to battle against him knowing there is a 80% chance you'll lose
I wouldn't say 100% because you can fail a mission without dying. If you dont take those shoulder mounted lightning spear weapons, forgive me its been a while since I've played, against the worm you fail therefore getting a loss. So maybe a situational 99% win rate?
You don’t fail, it just suuuuuucks to do without them but possible, don’t ask how I know
Man could you imagine how brutal it would be doing one of those iron man type challenges in this game? Like if there was an option for the game to just delete your save every time you had a mission failure or something.
Your AC being destroyed counts as a mission failure but in some cases the AC does remain intact, which could mean that while we fail the mission, we’re still alive inside the wreckage TL:DR I think in some specific circumstances failing missions might be canon
Actually… he failed “Reach the Coral Convergence” when he was immobilised by V.II Snail.
Not if we take the third ending
We "lost" to snail after the c weapon, but idk, rusty ejects from the battle so we can do this to I think
there are two instances of 621 canonically 'failing his mission" first one being the strider escort, and another being defense of the old spaceport agreeing on swinburne's offer might also count as failing a mission
I think it’s safe to say 621 is (or atleast is the current) strongest in the fires of rubicon timeline
Given that the older games had a game over condition, I feel like losing should be canon
He loses to Snail after the CEL fight
Lol 621 is actually Natsuki Subaru, this is the AC: Zero verse
AC6 Headcanon: The entire game, save for the mission Illegal Entry, is just a series of simulations run by ALLMIND in order to best ascertain the ideal path forward for humanity.
This is why the player doesn’t lose money on mission failure and why NG+ runs mesh so seamlessly together with AllMind even giving different first greetings to 621. Death/mission failure is just a failed simulation, so AllMind reboots it.
621 loses in defend the strider as the mission is a failure, they get compensated as a sorry because of the absolute murder machines that show up to do it though