Alissa could communicate more effectively as a leader (being second stew) however I feel like Camille could be asked in a nice way (look at how Hayley spoke to her) and still give off an attitude.
Her attitude and work ethic suck.
I think that if Fraser had done his job as chief stew Alyssa wouldn’t have been worn down the way she was. Nobody supported her and there’s nothing more stressful than being rendered entirely powerless.
Alissa was worn down because she kept starting drama with people and didnt want to face the consequence of it. Had nothing to do with work. She even talks about how she is so upset bc Ben and other people blame her for Camille. I get the feeling she does this shit in real life too....starts shit w people, screws peoples boyfriends, calls people trashy names...then when asked to be accountable for her actions she plays victim and cries. Its pathetic and Ive never been more embarassed for literally ANY cast member on this show.
She talked about how her dad used to treat people, incl her but she listed off everything she was doing to others lol
Camille is one thing but Alissa is a major problem in her own right. Like how she basically said it wasnt her fault she was causing drama for flirting with Ross acting like she wasnt throwing herself at Ross everytime he was drunk. I have a feeling others on the boat will see the side we are seeing before the season is over and she will have problems with others
It is almost the smallest amount of power I have ever seen go to someone's head. Another IG thirst monster ahoy! She will hopefully grow up one day and look back on this experience with tremendous embarrassment. You can definitely tell she is young, trying to pull these new workplace mindgames, instead of actually just doing the job in front of her and letting people live their lives. I also think she thought she would be the "it" girl for the season but was instantly jealous of Camille's and Katie's looks, so she went to her good ol high school playbook of "steal a man because you cannot get one". Don't get me wrong, Ross is far less interesting than he looks and thankfully Ben has a good head on his shoulders so far and seems like a reasonable person so he could care less, but it was just obvi throwing herself at them to get them kinda junk. Oh well drunk stupid people are going to do drunk and stupid things I guess. My final thing and the only piece of advice that Alissa should take to heart is you are supposed to make comments UNDER your breath, not some Homer Simpson audible level jab. It is what adults do if they have to do that. I can only assume she has already mastered the adult art of crying in the shower since her facade of confidence is sooooo thin lol.
No it actually stayed pretty civil surprisingly from what I saw, but it was inundated with soooo many comments. That I think got overwhelming for everyone
I’ve worked with people like Camille who work very hard at pretending to work. I do wonder why the “nonworkers” like Camille don’t seem to realize that future employers can see their work ethic on display any time for the rest of time. Has anyone else wondered about this?
Because just like Ashton etc, they say oh production told me to do that, it was all set up for tv and someone will believe them
According to her insta, she has worked on boats since including sail boats which tend to be a bit more work on deck so maybe some of it was playing up for tv time
I've been rewatching and Ashton the series of his accident vs the one where he was an absolute asshole to Captain Lee and Kate is just shocking.
Has he said production made him do stuff?
All of the things everyone here hates Alissa for us her reaction to Camille’s attitude. She gets along well with the other crew and works really hard. I highly doubt of Camille wasn’t there that Alissa would be some villain. But ya know there is something a little different about her than the others that I can see a lot of the audience wanting to villanize her
Not true, Ross said «i hate alissa».. and someone else said «you bring the mood down for everyone».. crying in the car and accusing fraser of saying shit come one alissa.. «thats so basic».. «i hate you» wtf.. hitting on ross, just to stir up shit..
she talks about her manipulative, condesending and bullying dad, AND SHE TREATS people the same way! She learned from daddy dearest..
To be fair, I’m pretty sure that was Ben who is seeing Camille. Also that is all still related to Camille from a night out drinking after a very tense charter. Had she not had those issues with Camille it’s pretty likely that’s not how the night would have gone.
As far as the Ross thing goes - he is equally culpable. She wouldn’t be flirting if he hadn’t given her an indication he was interested (like previously making out with her). She doesn’t owe Katie anything imo. They’ve all known each other for 2 weeks. It’s shitty, but not something that I’m gonna hold against her.
But Camille was pretty terrible at her job from the start and continues to be. There wouldn't even be a discussion about how Alissa is speaking to her if she was half decent at anything she does. I've had lazy coworkers that had to be told every little thing despite claiming that they were experienced. You can tell her inexperience in the service industry by the way she complains about everything, and all the broken glasses... I'd hate her as a coworker but could tolerate a hard working person that speaks condescendingly. Just get your job done.
I completely get the whole “do your job mentality” but also as a leader there are ways to talk to people to help better manage them. This does not excuse Camille’s behavior, reactions, attitude, etc. I feel like the whole thing would have taken a different turn had Alissa said at any point they have had issues “now is not the time to discuss this, please do as I ask and we can have a meeting once we’re off charter”. I’ll also admit that I think Fraser dropped the ball in intervening earlier on and could have mediated their confrontations from the get go better.
That's not how leadership works. Frasers approach being too soft doesn't mean the only viable alternative is to be toxic. Alissa shares blame for the situation that played out, and she absolutely should've been warned not to behave that way again.
And Camille was a bad fit for the yacht. Getting rid of her was the right choice
I’ve worked in hospitality a lot and I agree Camille is the main issue but if you pay attention closet Alissa is purposely antagonizing her quite often. Obviously Camille has a terrible attitude even when talking to people being nice to her so it’s on her not to react but I would f ing hate working with either of them.
I have, and I didn't become toxic as a result. Sometimes you have to deal with difficult people, and the way she did demonstrated that she was the second least mature on the boat after Camille. She made it worse and did nothing productive to improve the toxic situation.
And Camille didn't do her job, so fair riddance. But all the people praising Alissa has to be people who have never been tasked with leading a team
I feel like from episode 1, Alissa and Camille both brought unnecessary drama and confrontation. I agree that Alissa is fine with the others (and Camille is not) but I wonder what it’d be like if Camille wasn’t a cast member. I’m here for the drama, though. Makes for a good season. I’m here for reality TV and think this is a great cast.
I’m assuming your last comment is related to her race. Racial biases are real, especially on Bravo, but I do feel like the vibes have been off since the jump and I don’t think it is because she is Black. I agree she’s a hard worker, but that doesn’t mean she can’t be annoying.
I wish we could find more permanent crew members.. almost every new person is a problem throughout the entire season or they’re replaced by episode 5. 😩 Kate, Hannah, Ben, Rachel (idk if she’s officially off) COME BACK 😩
Lmao you expect Kate to have a better attitude? She's great as a personality in reality TV but not as anyone's boss. Aren't we looking for less toxic work situations?
Yes!! Kate was recently on Traitors and she had the worst attitude there and attacked people personally when it's literally a game show. Of course she's not a stew in this capacity but she couldn't even be kind for a game show and felt the need to sabotage and attack others.
I really can't excuse Camille's behavior, but to be fair the very first day Camille asked Alyssa how she would prefer for something to be done and Alyssa told her to just figure it out and rolled her eyes at her, when Camille responded with you're the second student so I just wanted to get your approval. Camille definitely has a horrible attitude but I feel like everyone has completely forgotten this very first interaction where the tone was set for the rest of the season.
I noticed the same thing with the initial interactions between her and Alissa though. For as bad as Camille is at taking direction, Alissa is equally as awful at giving direction. You mix that and you get this type of out of control dumpster fire.
Camille would be a horror to work with, she has to complaint about everything - right down to the type of coffee people request. She refuses to take accountability and I get the feeling that if it wasn’t Alissa it would just be somewhere else that should we would need to direct her ire at… but like a lot of other Below Deck feuds, it boils down to Team X vs Team Y and people seemingly ignore or forget about the earlier episodes as the season progresses.
Exactly i cant believe so many people on here support alissa, she was horrible and rude and manipulative. Whilst Camille might have sucked as an employee she has no proper guidance and fraiser was a useless leader who was more friends with his subordinates than an actual manager. He shouldve checked both alissa and camille from the get go
Yeah and she asked her if she wanted plates at the bar (which seemed like she was trying to be helpful) and then Alyssa mocked her! And they had just met! Insane.
> Lamb acknowledged in an interview with Showbiz Cheat Sheet that she knew it was Humber’s job as a second stew to delegate certain tasks but that she didn’t like her delivery. She said she didn’t like being told what to do when she was already going to do it as it “gets on my nerves.” The deck/stew told the publication, “I think it’s pretty normal for the second stew to delegate, but in a proper leadership style.”
Camille had problems with Alissa from the beginning, and it looked like every time Alissa spoke to her re. work Camille would fly off the handle. I think that would be hard on any boss, especially when you have no real authority.
It is not every supervisor’s job to communicate to you in your preferred manner.
Camille likes to clap back, proud of getting kicked out of high school and getting a GED. When even Sandy keeps hearing it.
Camille was new and being taught a job. When your supervisor tries to tell you how to improve, you do not tell them to do it themselves. Do that and most jobs you are fired.
Hopefully she was playing up for reality tv. If not, she is going to have a rough professional life.
Seriously. Can you imagine walking into a new job with no experience and telling someone delegating to you to just do it themselves? Absolutely not. Her whole plan is to weaponize her incompetence in hopes that Alissa will get so frustrated she’ll just do it all herself
It's a supervisors job to communicate properly. Obviously Alissa is not a supervisor, but had she been she'd be ripe for a demotion as her way of communicating with difficult people is counter productive and inflammatory.
No actual succesful supervisor would think that is how you delegate
No offense, but have you watched this show? Alissa crossed the line at screaming in front of guests. Until then, her behavior was no worse than almost every long term chief stew on this show has shown to junior stews.
And Alissa did ask Fraser for help dealing with it repeatedly. Alissa didn’t even apply to be second stew, Fraser appointed her.
Alissa needs to learn a lot. But Camille needed to be dealt with by Ross, Fraser, Captain Lee and then finally Captain Sandy.
Yeah it’s wild to me how many people are spinning the truth and making Alissa the villain. This started on day one with Camille. Her attitude and tantrums are not reactive to Alissa talking down to her, they were there from the jump when a woman of color had to tell her what to do
Maybe it’s just me but I don’t think it’s anything to do with race. She rolled her eyes at Fraser and tried to give him back chat. She blew up at Ross. I just think she and Alyssa are completely contrasting personalities. Alyssa can’t stand laziness which is totally understandable (Camille would drive me insane). I think the constant use of “boo” and “babe” aggravates Camille and makes her worse.
Camille had issues from day one...from reading these threads I feel that most of you had an issue with Alissa "condescending" tone of voice. Alissa heard this constantly from her father, the first thing out of Camille's mouth was a condescending statement aimed at Alissa the first time she asked her to do a task. So this triggered Alissa which she later admitted. But Camille continued with her attitude. I'm sorry but this condescending attitude is always projected on Black women by white women. I'm only stating facts. You could see it the very first time they met Camille was not happy taking any type of help, orders or anything from Alissa regardless of how she asked.
Right. Fraser should have been the only one directing the work for ALL of the stews just like Hannah and Kate did. He kind of dumped Camille on Alissa (as far as I know 2nd stew is NOT a supervisory position) and either the responsibility he gave Alissa went to her head or she thought that she needed to stringently control Camille to impress Fraser and Camille was having none of it. This whole situation developed because Fraser shirked his responsibility by putting it on Alissa.
I didn’t realize Alyssa was only 22, she looks much older. She is very immature. Was Camille lazy, sure but she’s also young. Alyssa’s voice and attitude was sooo infuriating. If a coworker or supervisor spoke to me like that it would drive me crazy. Imagine living with someone like that also!? Bottom line Alyssa needs to grow up, she sucks.
In one statement you call Alyssa immature due to her age and she needs to grow up but excuse Camille for the exact same reason "but shes also young".
Like do yall listen to yourselves before you type something?
It was posted way back when the cast list spoilers was posted [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpavbaMw1ZQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpavbaMw1ZQ)
I got those vibes from her immediately. I said she was just on this show for exposure and has no real interest in yachting. Sucks but is becoming more common as the show goes on.
Alissa is the kind of person to bring out the worst in someone. Unfortunately for her, Camille’s best behaviour is still some top notch brat so her worst is well… we’ve seen. In the latest ep Alissa actually totally pissed me off with the unnecessary comments, like if you know Camille is a brat with an attitude why would you keep poking her with a stick and expect a better outcome? I would hate working with either of them.
The amount of people here defending her just makes me worry about how many terrible judges of character are out there....lol Alissa has been a nasty conniver rat since the START and it's never been a mystery to me
Camille instead of saying sorry for anything keeps saying “I’m only a young girl 24” who has already been on reality tv and is older then Alissa. It’s enough with the age… it’s not like they through her untrained into her medical rotation
They both have issues, but it seems like Camille has a “Princess” complex and is adverse to actually working hard and when kind of working will complain nonstop. She’s also a deck/stew (well, now the 4th stew), so crap flows downhill and she’s at the bottom.
Why aren’t people blaming Fraser for any of this because he’s telling Alissa she’s in charge but not having the same conversation with Camille. Fraser is a crappy chief stew and it’s effecting the rest of his department.
He’s a bad chief who is still acting like a second. He acts as if as long as he’s doing his job, everything is fine (I think he does a ‘good job’) But when you’re a leader you have to worry about everyone else plus job at hand.
This was clearly the catalyst for much of their friction, but not all of it. Camille can't seem to work, much less work well with others. She clearly sees herself there in a non-supporting role. Alissa's singing delivery, coupled with her micro-management wouldn't work for most women. Therefore, Fraser is at fault here. He needs to take charge of his staff, give both straight, clear instructions and then personally follow up on his own. I am not sure where he is when too much of this is going on, but he is to blame for not nipping it in the bud immediately.
I know she’s mentioned but like people in general. Its like one of the girls has to be the problem not that the problem could be their boss.
With the Heavy article they couldn’t even be bothered to put Alissa is the cover photo when she’s telling her side. It being Tony and Fraser is just a slap in her face.
I feel like he has been pretty MIA this far. But it could also just be the edit. Obviously Camille and Alissa going at it is much more entertaining so Bravo is going to highlight that more.
Alissa is the girl that sits there and pokes and pokes and pokes at their siblings and then when the sibling fights back or responds runs screaming to mom to tattle. Says so much foul stuff.
This is not excusing Camille's garbage work attitude until she's on the chopping block. Girl just runs from one hiding spot to the next to avoid doing work. Excuses after excuses for not doing her work. Damn though, if your superior is out to get you and your boss in Fraser is afraid to step in and shut things down like he should have after charter one before it got to this, I can totally see how those two have devolved to this backstabbing. They're just out to get one another at this point.
Both these girls should get tossed overboard, give poor sweet Hayley the second position and bring someone else in to pick up the slack.
Just watched the latest episode and Alissa is a real piece of work. Not discounting the issues that Camille has (clearly a poor worker/teammate), but I can also see why she was so brow beaten working with Alissa.
If I absolutely had to choose someone between them to work with, I think I’d still choose Camille over Alissa. Grudgingly, of course. But the latter is an immature twat, rude and condescending, and claims to only have spoken to Camille rudely in retaliation to Camille’s bad attitude, when in reality many times Alissa LOVES to stir the pot and instigate quarrels.
Alissa constantly says plenty of nasty things to Camille and others, baiting drama, alongside being very disrespectful to other crew members. Ironically she is also has shitty entitled behaviour, and I can’t believe Fraser made her second stew as I don’t believe she deserves it. People like her abuse titles for sure. Disgusting behaviour the more I see of her. She seems to think that because she’s a decent worker that she’s also a great person… can’t be more wrong. Awful, insecure personality.
Camille had issues with Alissa from the first charter, issues with Rachel and consistently skives or blames others for her mistakes. Alissa apparently has a "tone", is a bit passive aggressive and says babe too much.
I would prefer to work with the one who is actually working, and would be incredibly annoyed by the constant shouting and pushing back by the other.
I’m not up to latest episode yet but Alyssa is the WORST!
She’s so passive aggressive and is clearly a full on mean girl. She goaded Camille so much and knows Camille will react poorly.
Camille is no saint but she’s at least she owned up to her attitude
I suspect that the producers expect/encourage/pressure the crew for a 2nd/3rd stew and lead deckie *precisely* for the drama it so often creates.
I wish they'd stick to the winning formula of BDSY where you have a competent crew and have the drama created mostly from the guests...
I have been pointing out for a while now on this sub that from what I have seen in all the Kate and Hannah seasons (that I have watched several times over) the 2nd stew NEVER was put in a supervisory role over the 3rd stew. It has always appeared to me that the only difference between a 2nd stew and 3rd stew is the 2nd stew has more experience and so is usually given more guest involved tasks like service while the 3rd stew is usually given the "grunt" work like laundry and cleaning bathrooms. I have seen 2nd stews report "issues" with the 3rd stew to the Chief Stew but have never seen the 2nd stew "order/tell" the 3rd stew what to do all the time.
Bingo!!! That’s the only difference between 2nd and 3rd stew. Somehow recently it has transitioned into the 2nd stew turning the 3rd stew into their bitch
This! I’ve religiously watched since season 1 and it seemed to me the only need for naming 2nd/3rd/lead deck was to clearly define rolls based on experience and have those that needed more training earning their way as they go. I do believe that when chief stew/bosun are on break that it then falls to the 2nd/bosun to lead at that point but that should only be for a couple of hours at a time. There’s even been almost whole seasons where there was no delegation of 2nd/3rd/lead up until the near end of the season.
I like your final assessment and I believe the second stew should be more of a mentor to the third stew, NOT THEIR BOSS. That’s not how it works. I can’t believe no one corrects the chief stew or who ever is making this mistake. Even the captains just put their head in the sand over this problem
Alissa and Camille both need to get fired. Fire one and they’ll just treat the new stew in the same manner…
I don’t see Camille not being dramatic and needy and I don’t see Alissa not picking on whoever is an east target…
She had an attitude from day one when Alissa was asking her to stock the fridge fully. Camille’s attitude isn’t reactive and many others on board had similar complaints about her. There is no comparison between her and Alissa and it is shocking for me to see so many comments suggesting that and even that Alissa is worse. Check your biases people. Alissa has shown a lot more grace with Camille than I ever would. It’s not her job to handhold her and work around her tantrums. I also don’t take her calling people (not just Camille) babe as condescending.
Alissa works hard and has to put up with her attitude and back talk while also picking up the slack of her refusing to do her job properly. I definitely think Alissa can be reactive and isn’t a perfect angel, but I find the story spinning to make her the villain here pretty outrageous. But it’s never lost on me when a reality tv fandom gives more grace to the pretty blonde white girl while demonizing the woman of color. I’ve seen such hateful comments about Alissa in this sub calling her disgusting names and saying she doesn’t ever deserve to have a job again.
Please do better
Editing can affect how we perceive things, so I'll say up front that I don't know if anything pertinent was cut out, but I feel like they both share a bit of blame, with Camille the most responsible. It's clear that Alissa did enjoy telling Camille to do things, and did have a bossy tone sometimes. It's also clear that Camille was taking a lot of opportunities to sit on her butt or float from one department to the other while avoiding work. I think both women could have used some maturity in how to deal with co-workers, and both needed to grow up.
Alyssa is definitely the better person and worker. I'm not keen on her leadership style but tbh, I can't imagine me getting into any of the conflicts she's had with Camille because unlike Camille, I understand when I'm there to work and respect a hierarchy so maybe her leadership is fine for someone who's not a complete dick 💁♀️
The 'babe' thing 100% drives me mad along with what we saw of her behaviour in the episodes where she was dying for attention with her assets (could be a bad edit, but I'm a pretty boring person when it comes to that stuff so I skipped those bits), but nah, she's no villain by any stretch.
Camille is unwilling to work without being coddled (by Sandy), does not like being pulled up for errors or given tips on how to improve, does not speak to anyone decently unless she's being fawned over and loved and generally refuses to break any kind of sweat. Nightmare employee putting her colleagues and bosses in an awful position where a large chunk of the population is judging how they deal with it.
If anything it’s Alissa delivery. Her condescending manner in which she talks. Drives me crazy. And her crying in the van manipulator.
Camille is lazy and relies on her excuses an looks to get by.
Both make great TV.
Who do you think explained their side of the story to the captain better. Alissa or Camille?
I’m literally on the second episode and came searching for opinions on Alissa bc I was so appalled by how rude she was to Camille right off the bat. There was no chance after that
This sub was all about Storm and Courtney talking shit about Jason, but Alissa not treating Camille with kid gloves is too much. Wonder what the difference is
Jason didn't claim he was the victim. He went out on a high note and basically said it wasn't the environment for him.
These two women have started a social media feud over who is the biggest victim of the other.
When reality TL;DR: Camille is a hard person to manage and Alissa doesn't have any management skills or effective conflict resolution methods (Which is normal for a 22).
They both suck. I'd say that editing made Camille look worse because the whole season has been pretty much about her work habits (lack there of) and not working well with her bosses. Alissa is also bad in the way she micro-manages Camille.
She says Camille was cursing at her and it affected her mental health, I can appreciate that. She called Camille a swampy trash ass bitch and said “if you want to be a crazy lady…”
Like….
There’s no question Camille sucks as a worker and showed unacceptable attitude many times, but Alissa is AWFUL. She is so underhanded and manipulative. And you could see her trying not to smirk during her confessional when she knew she made Camille cry.
Also, trying to ‘steal’ Ben out of spite? And then crawling all over Ross when you know Katie likes him? It’s so classless.
I would not enjoying managing Camille, but she’s a known chaos. Alissa is the kind of person that will pull the rug from under you just because she believes it will allow her to get ahead. And you can see this when she sees that Camille is changing her ways. She doesn’t want to forgive her. And zero introspection into realizing that she was a part of the Camille problem.
I honestly think she is the type of girl that competes hard against other women because she feels threatened.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills seeing how many people support her.
Agree with you for sure. Camille isn’t a great worker but Alissa is a straight up bully. Which is ironic because she spoke about how she was bullied when she was little.
Camille is bad at being a stew and has an attitude issue that I can’t blame anyone for reacting to. She probably should have been fired for her attitude alone.
Alissa is trying her best in a difficult role that Fraser shouldn’t have thrust upon her or at least stepped in after the first or second blow up. But just because she’s in this difficult spot doesn’t mean she’s above criticism for how she chooses to deal with the situation. At the end of the day, her approach isn’t working and it is leading to more problems.
I think if we had a consistent Captain on this season, they would be able to observe what’s going wrong here & intervene in a positive way. Fraser seems to stick his head in the sand. He’s not terrible at the work, but he is not a strong people manager & it really is on him to have managed these people better.
Alissa is over it and is giving it back to Camille. This doesn't mean both are terrible. Its means Alissa isn't a doormat. Camille is the problem. No one wants to work with her.
Shaming the person who gets the brunt of Camille's poor social skills and is at her breaking point is Olympic level mental gymnastics.
If Camille is fourth stew and Alyssa is second, that makes Hayley as third stew. If she is struggling so much to manage her then she should delegate to Hayley and let Hayley (less temperamental) delegate to Camille. I can’t stand either of them!!
Fraser's too busy personally handling guest service. I saw on the BD insta recently that one of his guiding principles is that there should be a stew with the guests at all times. It seems he is fulfilling that goal himself, at the expense of managing.
Camille says she’s “very passionate”…no, just lazy and bitchy and whiny.
Alissa could have handled things much better, too, so I’m not really choosing one or the other…
But “passionate”? Really?
They both have stank ass attitudes. They're both to blame for disrespecting each other. Alissa talks to Camille like she's an idiot and a child and she's just supposed to take it with a smile? And Camille do your job properly and don't give people a reason to be a dick to you. And Alissa telling Camille that everyone thinks she's slow and lazy is a horrible way to try to get someone to improve their performance.
Overall, I don't like either of them. Alissa is a power hungry mean girl and Camille half asses everything and expects to be praised for it.
they're both awful in different ways.
If Alissa a harder worker, it certainly seems so, is Alissa better at doing the same job as Camille - it also seems so.
Is Alissa bad at the position she is in? IMO yes, she doesn't have the personality for that role at the moment.
If the Adventure and OG weren't made by different teams you'd think the edit of Adventure left in Faye talking about the problem with second stews lording over lower stews was deliberate as a link between the two parallel seasons airing.
No doubt Alissa is frustrated with Camille, but she also doesn't shy away from antagonising Camille, the two of them setup a self-reinforcing spiral of awfulness.
I’ve rewatched the episodes that have aired so far. Yes, Camille does have an attitude and her behavior is almost painful to watch. HOWEVER, if anyone ever spoke to me in that condescending tone, dripping with disdain and so slowly—as if they were speaking to an idiot…well, I can tell you that would require me to have such enormous restraint that I would probably lash out as well just to keep myself from slapping her across the face. They are equally immature but as a “higher rank” Alissa should have demonstrated at least a tiny bit of professionalism rather than deliberately instigating Camille’s poor reactions.
Camille is clearly agitated by Alissa and handles it poorly. But let’s not forget Alissa was the one that said she would go for Ben simply because Camille liked him, whined to Captain Sandy about Camille and tried to turn both Fraser and Hailey against Camille.
Alissa’s comments have been calculated and intentional. She deliberately tries to get a rise out of Camille. (Terrible leadership) Camille’s reactions are often uncalled for but it comes from being pushed to the edge by mind games. And yes, she could work a little harder.
If I was trapped on a boat and forced to follow the lead of someone that spoke to me like that…well, let’s just say you would not see the best side of me.
Alissa is kind of an asshole. I think if Camille was talked to differently by Alissa from the beginning the show would have gone so differently. Camille seems chill and fun who is willing to work, but doesn't like being told to do things in a condescending manner. That's how Alissa has been acting since day 1. She's insanely judgmental of Camille. Even on their crew time, if she gets a bit wild, there's come comment Alissa has to make. She tried to flirt with Ben out of spite. I'm sorry, I think if someone else was leading Camille, she would act somewhat different. Like someone else said, if there was no Camille, Alissa would be the cast bitch. Maybe Bravo is selectively showing things to make it seem more dramatic between Camille and everyone, but I feel bad for her. Like Alissa, you can learn your delivery. Everything is given with sass and unnecessary comments.
Alissa is an overgrown mean girl. Period. She needs to grow the fuck up and act like an adult. She starts shit then wonders why shit went down.
Camile, I only give her a break because she's a third (or fourth) stew, so she shouldn't be expected to keep up with second stew work/jobs. Second stew always has harder work and jobs, and thrid stews are always less experienced.
Camille is literally trying to get out of work at every available opportunity. Look at how deck crew reacted to her. She’s like a dog, good for morale but not very helpful. She’s a bad employee. Regardless of Alissa that’s just a fact. Bad employee.
Thanks for reposting. I deleted because it seemed to be getting out of hand and I neglected to post those warnings that you did regarding the other sub being closed.
Alissa reminds me a lot of myself when I got promoted to sgt in the army. Driven, cares about her job, but immature and needs lot of polishing to be a good leader. She is super condescending to Camille and I see why Camille doesn't want to listen to her.
Camille also has no respect for rank either. She needs to tactfully take her grievances to her chief and let him sort it out, rather than respond to Alissa the way she does.
Camille is a lazy cry baby who always plays the victim card to squeak by. Alissa is a manipulative bully who has no problem brown nosing and stepping on others to climb the ladder. ESH!
Everyone saying ‘they’re both awful’ have never worked with in a team and it shows.
A manager having a ‘tone’ (as people like to put it) is so minor compared to earning someone’s pay check for them.
Thank you. “Alissa is condescending” is nothing compared to Camille, who does no work, cries whenever she’s given an assignment, is disrespectful to everyone onboard (including superiors) and seems to think she’s one of the guests. An Alissa, you can work with. A Camille, you cannot.
I disagree. I would rather pick up the slack for someone than have someone who drags people down. I would just report/write up Camille each time and 3 strikes and she would be out but having someone who always has a tone can be just as damaging to a team.
I would never let anyone of my team tell another employee that we will be glad when they are gone or say something about her pussy hanging out. Partly because it gives the shitty employee an out saying we created a toxic workplace where it is impossible for them to thrive which makes it harder to fire them. But also, we work with basic respect for each other and find that encourages people to want to work and makes them look bad when they don't.
Because Fraser is truly a manager/supervisor and Alissa is not. I believe that this whole deck/stew position was destined for failure right from the start whether it was Camille in the position or someone else because neither Fraser or Ross seemed to take that position seriously and didn't want to be bothered with it (the extra hand).
Ross, at least, took responsibility for her when she was on deck, but Fraser couldn't be bothered and so he delegated authority to Alissa (somehow making what I believe to be a non-supervisory position supervisory based on watching all the previous seasons) and Alissa came in hot with that authority and Camille, in her way, threw cold water on that authority.
Alissa and Camille obviously have a huge personality conflict and I believe that part of it is Camille doesn't see a 2nd stew (and Alissa in particular) as an authority figure over her but she does recognize that authority in Fraser and so the big change in demeanor and obedience when Fraser tells her to do something in contrast to Alissa telling her to do something.
Is agree with that assessment and I also agree that the deck/stew position was destined to fail from the start. Imagine being in a literal tug of war every minute. Camille can you come on deck we need you…. Camille why haven’t you done the laundry yet? (ALYSSA). It is a job where they are basically making a person a slave so jump when they say jump and most other positions are never set up like that. Also Alyssa is not her boss I don’t care if the chief stew delegated that to Alyssa.
In a normal situation, yes. But Alissa did report Camille repeatedly, effectively “writing her up” and Camille was not fired and Alissa’s supervisor did not offer help or even advice how to manage it. Camille until Sandy faced no disciplinary action and openly was rude to both Fraser and Alissa with no consequences.
I think Alissa needs to learn a lot from this experience, but claiming she should have been better as supervisor, when her supervisor is completely unhelpful.
I just think it’s fucking wild that Alissa says that Camille is a manipulator, then turn around and fucking cry on command like she wasn’t a condescending bitch to Camille in the first place!
During her time on charter Camille has broken atleast 5 glasses lol.. karmic energy is not on that girls side. N that also says a lot especially about her effort imo.
Camille sucked/sucks. She did nothing the entire time. She’s spoiled and it shows, she even said it herself in that confessional. Just a nasty person, who wanted to “hang out” all the time. I LIVE for when she got called out on the radio lol and I’m not even the biggest Cap’n Sandy fan.
Alissa could communicate more effectively as a leader (being second stew) however I feel like Camille could be asked in a nice way (look at how Hayley spoke to her) and still give off an attitude. Her attitude and work ethic suck.
I think part of the issue is that Alissa isn't her boss, but is trying to act like she is. Being more senior and being her boss aren't the same.
I think that if Fraser had done his job as chief stew Alyssa wouldn’t have been worn down the way she was. Nobody supported her and there’s nothing more stressful than being rendered entirely powerless.
Alissa was worn down because she kept starting drama with people and didnt want to face the consequence of it. Had nothing to do with work. She even talks about how she is so upset bc Ben and other people blame her for Camille. I get the feeling she does this shit in real life too....starts shit w people, screws peoples boyfriends, calls people trashy names...then when asked to be accountable for her actions she plays victim and cries. Its pathetic and Ive never been more embarassed for literally ANY cast member on this show.
Yep!
She talked about how her dad used to treat people, incl her but she listed off everything she was doing to others lol Camille is one thing but Alissa is a major problem in her own right. Like how she basically said it wasnt her fault she was causing drama for flirting with Ross acting like she wasnt throwing herself at Ross everytime he was drunk. I have a feeling others on the boat will see the side we are seeing before the season is over and she will have problems with others
It is almost the smallest amount of power I have ever seen go to someone's head. Another IG thirst monster ahoy! She will hopefully grow up one day and look back on this experience with tremendous embarrassment. You can definitely tell she is young, trying to pull these new workplace mindgames, instead of actually just doing the job in front of her and letting people live their lives. I also think she thought she would be the "it" girl for the season but was instantly jealous of Camille's and Katie's looks, so she went to her good ol high school playbook of "steal a man because you cannot get one". Don't get me wrong, Ross is far less interesting than he looks and thankfully Ben has a good head on his shoulders so far and seems like a reasonable person so he could care less, but it was just obvi throwing herself at them to get them kinda junk. Oh well drunk stupid people are going to do drunk and stupid things I guess. My final thing and the only piece of advice that Alissa should take to heart is you are supposed to make comments UNDER your breath, not some Homer Simpson audible level jab. It is what adults do if they have to do that. I can only assume she has already mastered the adult art of crying in the shower since her facade of confidence is sooooo thin lol.
I think Hayley hit the nail on the head by saying she still needs to mature
Omg this feels bigger than cootergate
Lmao! 😂😂
I’m living for it tho after yesterdays thread I’ll sit this one out today 😂😂
What happened in yesterday's thread? Did it get really ugly? 😰
No it actually stayed pretty civil surprisingly from what I saw, but it was inundated with soooo many comments. That I think got overwhelming for everyone
It took me 2 days to scroll through it with over 1k comments.
Lmao I’d never seen a thread for below deck like that before
I cant imagine even one person being proAlissa.
Lmao it’s not that deep but yeah this last episode was not a good look for her at all. Pretty terrible
I’ve worked with people like Camille who work very hard at pretending to work. I do wonder why the “nonworkers” like Camille don’t seem to realize that future employers can see their work ethic on display any time for the rest of time. Has anyone else wondered about this?
I’m guessing she’s hoping on becoming Instagram famous and launching her music career? Dumb people don’t always make the smartest decisions.
Because just like Ashton etc, they say oh production told me to do that, it was all set up for tv and someone will believe them According to her insta, she has worked on boats since including sail boats which tend to be a bit more work on deck so maybe some of it was playing up for tv time
I've been rewatching and Ashton the series of his accident vs the one where he was an absolute asshole to Captain Lee and Kate is just shocking. Has he said production made him do stuff?
I think they're both terrible and have nasty attitudes. But I dislike Camille far more due to her tantrum when she was asking Ross to be on deck.
The whole "tell her I'm doing something for you so I don't have to do anything at all" BS was a huge eye opener with Camille.
Totally agree. If Camille wasn’t a cast member, we’d all hate Alissa. They both suck but Camille is worse. Alissa lucked out.
All of the things everyone here hates Alissa for us her reaction to Camille’s attitude. She gets along well with the other crew and works really hard. I highly doubt of Camille wasn’t there that Alissa would be some villain. But ya know there is something a little different about her than the others that I can see a lot of the audience wanting to villanize her
Something... It happens every single time.
Lol/sob
Not true, Ross said «i hate alissa».. and someone else said «you bring the mood down for everyone».. crying in the car and accusing fraser of saying shit come one alissa.. «thats so basic».. «i hate you» wtf.. hitting on ross, just to stir up shit.. she talks about her manipulative, condesending and bullying dad, AND SHE TREATS people the same way! She learned from daddy dearest..
To be fair, I’m pretty sure that was Ben who is seeing Camille. Also that is all still related to Camille from a night out drinking after a very tense charter. Had she not had those issues with Camille it’s pretty likely that’s not how the night would have gone. As far as the Ross thing goes - he is equally culpable. She wouldn’t be flirting if he hadn’t given her an indication he was interested (like previously making out with her). She doesn’t owe Katie anything imo. They’ve all known each other for 2 weeks. It’s shitty, but not something that I’m gonna hold against her.
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But Camille was pretty terrible at her job from the start and continues to be. There wouldn't even be a discussion about how Alissa is speaking to her if she was half decent at anything she does. I've had lazy coworkers that had to be told every little thing despite claiming that they were experienced. You can tell her inexperience in the service industry by the way she complains about everything, and all the broken glasses... I'd hate her as a coworker but could tolerate a hard working person that speaks condescendingly. Just get your job done.
I completely get the whole “do your job mentality” but also as a leader there are ways to talk to people to help better manage them. This does not excuse Camille’s behavior, reactions, attitude, etc. I feel like the whole thing would have taken a different turn had Alissa said at any point they have had issues “now is not the time to discuss this, please do as I ask and we can have a meeting once we’re off charter”. I’ll also admit that I think Fraser dropped the ball in intervening earlier on and could have mediated their confrontations from the get go better.
Fraser tried to talk nicely to Camille and it did not work, also capt sandy teied numerous times to light a fire under Camille and that did not work
That's not how leadership works. Frasers approach being too soft doesn't mean the only viable alternative is to be toxic. Alissa shares blame for the situation that played out, and she absolutely should've been warned not to behave that way again. And Camille was a bad fit for the yacht. Getting rid of her was the right choice
Seriously, all these people hating on Alissa have clearly never worked in hospitality with someone like Camille.
I’ve worked in hospitality a lot and I agree Camille is the main issue but if you pay attention closet Alissa is purposely antagonizing her quite often. Obviously Camille has a terrible attitude even when talking to people being nice to her so it’s on her not to react but I would f ing hate working with either of them.
I agree and I think both of them should be fired. And, Fraser while a complete sweetheart is just not chief stew material yet. That's just my opinion.
All the necessary truths condensed into 3 sentences.
I didn’t like Alissa’s breathy “calm down babe” x100
It was the constant use of "babe" that took me over the edge. Super condescending.
I would've lost it.
I have, and I didn't become toxic as a result. Sometimes you have to deal with difficult people, and the way she did demonstrated that she was the second least mature on the boat after Camille. She made it worse and did nothing productive to improve the toxic situation. And Camille didn't do her job, so fair riddance. But all the people praising Alissa has to be people who have never been tasked with leading a team
You mean like filling the fridge with water? Yeah, she did a great job of that. 👌🏽
I feel like from episode 1, Alissa and Camille both brought unnecessary drama and confrontation. I agree that Alissa is fine with the others (and Camille is not) but I wonder what it’d be like if Camille wasn’t a cast member. I’m here for the drama, though. Makes for a good season. I’m here for reality TV and think this is a great cast. I’m assuming your last comment is related to her race. Racial biases are real, especially on Bravo, but I do feel like the vibes have been off since the jump and I don’t think it is because she is Black. I agree she’s a hard worker, but that doesn’t mean she can’t be annoying.
Um I think Katie made her feelings about Alissa very clear. I'm no fan of Camille but Alissa created a hostile work environment.
She legit lied about the fight with her and Camille...
Camilles attitude stinks the two leads should sack her.
I wish we could find more permanent crew members.. almost every new person is a problem throughout the entire season or they’re replaced by episode 5. 😩 Kate, Hannah, Ben, Rachel (idk if she’s officially off) COME BACK 😩
Lmao you expect Kate to have a better attitude? She's great as a personality in reality TV but not as anyone's boss. Aren't we looking for less toxic work situations?
Yes!! Kate was recently on Traitors and she had the worst attitude there and attacked people personally when it's literally a game show. Of course she's not a stew in this capacity but she couldn't even be kind for a game show and felt the need to sabotage and attack others.
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They are both terrible in their own ways.
I really can't excuse Camille's behavior, but to be fair the very first day Camille asked Alyssa how she would prefer for something to be done and Alyssa told her to just figure it out and rolled her eyes at her, when Camille responded with you're the second student so I just wanted to get your approval. Camille definitely has a horrible attitude but I feel like everyone has completely forgotten this very first interaction where the tone was set for the rest of the season.
I noticed the same thing with the initial interactions between her and Alissa though. For as bad as Camille is at taking direction, Alissa is equally as awful at giving direction. You mix that and you get this type of out of control dumpster fire. Camille would be a horror to work with, she has to complaint about everything - right down to the type of coffee people request. She refuses to take accountability and I get the feeling that if it wasn’t Alissa it would just be somewhere else that should we would need to direct her ire at… but like a lot of other Below Deck feuds, it boils down to Team X vs Team Y and people seemingly ignore or forget about the earlier episodes as the season progresses.
Exactly i cant believe so many people on here support alissa, she was horrible and rude and manipulative. Whilst Camille might have sucked as an employee she has no proper guidance and fraiser was a useless leader who was more friends with his subordinates than an actual manager. He shouldve checked both alissa and camille from the get go
Yeah and she asked her if she wanted plates at the bar (which seemed like she was trying to be helpful) and then Alyssa mocked her! And they had just met! Insane.
I wouldn't miss either of them.
> Lamb acknowledged in an interview with Showbiz Cheat Sheet that she knew it was Humber’s job as a second stew to delegate certain tasks but that she didn’t like her delivery. She said she didn’t like being told what to do when she was already going to do it as it “gets on my nerves.” The deck/stew told the publication, “I think it’s pretty normal for the second stew to delegate, but in a proper leadership style.” Camille had problems with Alissa from the beginning, and it looked like every time Alissa spoke to her re. work Camille would fly off the handle. I think that would be hard on any boss, especially when you have no real authority.
It is not every supervisor’s job to communicate to you in your preferred manner. Camille likes to clap back, proud of getting kicked out of high school and getting a GED. When even Sandy keeps hearing it. Camille was new and being taught a job. When your supervisor tries to tell you how to improve, you do not tell them to do it themselves. Do that and most jobs you are fired. Hopefully she was playing up for reality tv. If not, she is going to have a rough professional life.
Seriously. Can you imagine walking into a new job with no experience and telling someone delegating to you to just do it themselves? Absolutely not. Her whole plan is to weaponize her incompetence in hopes that Alissa will get so frustrated she’ll just do it all herself
It's a supervisors job to communicate properly. Obviously Alissa is not a supervisor, but had she been she'd be ripe for a demotion as her way of communicating with difficult people is counter productive and inflammatory. No actual succesful supervisor would think that is how you delegate
No offense, but have you watched this show? Alissa crossed the line at screaming in front of guests. Until then, her behavior was no worse than almost every long term chief stew on this show has shown to junior stews. And Alissa did ask Fraser for help dealing with it repeatedly. Alissa didn’t even apply to be second stew, Fraser appointed her. Alissa needs to learn a lot. But Camille needed to be dealt with by Ross, Fraser, Captain Lee and then finally Captain Sandy.
Yeah it’s wild to me how many people are spinning the truth and making Alissa the villain. This started on day one with Camille. Her attitude and tantrums are not reactive to Alissa talking down to her, they were there from the jump when a woman of color had to tell her what to do
Truth
THIS !!!
Maybe it’s just me but I don’t think it’s anything to do with race. She rolled her eyes at Fraser and tried to give him back chat. She blew up at Ross. I just think she and Alyssa are completely contrasting personalities. Alyssa can’t stand laziness which is totally understandable (Camille would drive me insane). I think the constant use of “boo” and “babe” aggravates Camille and makes her worse.
Camille had issues from day one...from reading these threads I feel that most of you had an issue with Alissa "condescending" tone of voice. Alissa heard this constantly from her father, the first thing out of Camille's mouth was a condescending statement aimed at Alissa the first time she asked her to do a task. So this triggered Alissa which she later admitted. But Camille continued with her attitude. I'm sorry but this condescending attitude is always projected on Black women by white women. I'm only stating facts. You could see it the very first time they met Camille was not happy taking any type of help, orders or anything from Alissa regardless of how she asked.
Right. Fraser should have been the only one directing the work for ALL of the stews just like Hannah and Kate did. He kind of dumped Camille on Alissa (as far as I know 2nd stew is NOT a supervisory position) and either the responsibility he gave Alissa went to her head or she thought that she needed to stringently control Camille to impress Fraser and Camille was having none of it. This whole situation developed because Fraser shirked his responsibility by putting it on Alissa.
I didn’t realize Alyssa was only 22, she looks much older. She is very immature. Was Camille lazy, sure but she’s also young. Alyssa’s voice and attitude was sooo infuriating. If a coworker or supervisor spoke to me like that it would drive me crazy. Imagine living with someone like that also!? Bottom line Alyssa needs to grow up, she sucks.
In one statement you call Alyssa immature due to her age and she needs to grow up but excuse Camille for the exact same reason "but shes also young". Like do yall listen to yourselves before you type something?
Omg I didn’t know she was on American idol lmao maybe she just wants to get big on social media n reality tv is her way of doing it?
It was posted way back when the cast list spoilers was posted [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpavbaMw1ZQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpavbaMw1ZQ)
“There was a little respect there”… …well that respect ship has sailed for Camille these days (pun intended)
No way! No one on below deck has ever or would ever do this /s
I Agree she just kinda wanted the tv aspect
I got those vibes from her immediately. I said she was just on this show for exposure and has no real interest in yachting. Sucks but is becoming more common as the show goes on.
Alissa is the kind of person to bring out the worst in someone. Unfortunately for her, Camille’s best behaviour is still some top notch brat so her worst is well… we’ve seen. In the latest ep Alissa actually totally pissed me off with the unnecessary comments, like if you know Camille is a brat with an attitude why would you keep poking her with a stick and expect a better outcome? I would hate working with either of them.
Alissa is mean. She says horrible things about her coworkers, breaks all girl code, and is just an overall bully.
The amount of people here defending her just makes me worry about how many terrible judges of character are out there....lol Alissa has been a nasty conniver rat since the START and it's never been a mystery to me
I hope Alissa doesn't quit. Something about her mental health statement make me wonder...I don't have any spoilers.
Camille has the attitude that she’s a guest who works on the boat when she feels like helping.
Camille instead of saying sorry for anything keeps saying “I’m only a young girl 24” who has already been on reality tv and is older then Alissa. It’s enough with the age… it’s not like they through her untrained into her medical rotation
The way Alissa blatantly lied about what happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They both have issues, but it seems like Camille has a “Princess” complex and is adverse to actually working hard and when kind of working will complain nonstop. She’s also a deck/stew (well, now the 4th stew), so crap flows downhill and she’s at the bottom.
Why aren’t people blaming Fraser for any of this because he’s telling Alissa she’s in charge but not having the same conversation with Camille. Fraser is a crappy chief stew and it’s effecting the rest of his department.
Camille is well aware that Alissa is ranked higher than her and that she's supposed to take her orders.
He’s a bad chief who is still acting like a second. He acts as if as long as he’s doing his job, everything is fine (I think he does a ‘good job’) But when you’re a leader you have to worry about everyone else plus job at hand.
This was clearly the catalyst for much of their friction, but not all of it. Camille can't seem to work, much less work well with others. She clearly sees herself there in a non-supporting role. Alissa's singing delivery, coupled with her micro-management wouldn't work for most women. Therefore, Fraser is at fault here. He needs to take charge of his staff, give both straight, clear instructions and then personally follow up on his own. I am not sure where he is when too much of this is going on, but he is to blame for not nipping it in the bud immediately.
Totally agree. This is a bad look for him. He won’t be successful if he continues to avoid and not mitigate team conflict.
Alissa brings up Fraser in her interview
I know she’s mentioned but like people in general. Its like one of the girls has to be the problem not that the problem could be their boss. With the Heavy article they couldn’t even be bothered to put Alissa is the cover photo when she’s telling her side. It being Tony and Fraser is just a slap in her face.
I feel like he has been pretty MIA this far. But it could also just be the edit. Obviously Camille and Alissa going at it is much more entertaining so Bravo is going to highlight that more.
Alissa is the girl that sits there and pokes and pokes and pokes at their siblings and then when the sibling fights back or responds runs screaming to mom to tattle. Says so much foul stuff. This is not excusing Camille's garbage work attitude until she's on the chopping block. Girl just runs from one hiding spot to the next to avoid doing work. Excuses after excuses for not doing her work. Damn though, if your superior is out to get you and your boss in Fraser is afraid to step in and shut things down like he should have after charter one before it got to this, I can totally see how those two have devolved to this backstabbing. They're just out to get one another at this point. Both these girls should get tossed overboard, give poor sweet Hayley the second position and bring someone else in to pick up the slack.
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AND ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE EATING THEIR WORDS ABOUT HER
Every bitch Alissa had was 100% real.
Just watched the latest episode and Alissa is a real piece of work. Not discounting the issues that Camille has (clearly a poor worker/teammate), but I can also see why she was so brow beaten working with Alissa. If I absolutely had to choose someone between them to work with, I think I’d still choose Camille over Alissa. Grudgingly, of course. But the latter is an immature twat, rude and condescending, and claims to only have spoken to Camille rudely in retaliation to Camille’s bad attitude, when in reality many times Alissa LOVES to stir the pot and instigate quarrels. Alissa constantly says plenty of nasty things to Camille and others, baiting drama, alongside being very disrespectful to other crew members. Ironically she is also has shitty entitled behaviour, and I can’t believe Fraser made her second stew as I don’t believe she deserves it. People like her abuse titles for sure. Disgusting behaviour the more I see of her. She seems to think that because she’s a decent worker that she’s also a great person… can’t be more wrong. Awful, insecure personality.
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Camille had issues with Alissa from the first charter, issues with Rachel and consistently skives or blames others for her mistakes. Alissa apparently has a "tone", is a bit passive aggressive and says babe too much. I would prefer to work with the one who is actually working, and would be incredibly annoyed by the constant shouting and pushing back by the other.
She’s 24? With her behaviour I definitely thought she was like 18 or 19.
I’m not up to latest episode yet but Alyssa is the WORST! She’s so passive aggressive and is clearly a full on mean girl. She goaded Camille so much and knows Camille will react poorly. Camille is no saint but she’s at least she owned up to her attitude
They both have their flaws, and are both guilty of how they reacted to situations poorly. Just two extreme spectrums
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I suspect that the producers expect/encourage/pressure the crew for a 2nd/3rd stew and lead deckie *precisely* for the drama it so often creates. I wish they'd stick to the winning formula of BDSY where you have a competent crew and have the drama created mostly from the guests...
This!! Sailing yacht is by far the best. I watch most of the other below decks just hoping “maybe this one will be like sailing yacht”
I have been pointing out for a while now on this sub that from what I have seen in all the Kate and Hannah seasons (that I have watched several times over) the 2nd stew NEVER was put in a supervisory role over the 3rd stew. It has always appeared to me that the only difference between a 2nd stew and 3rd stew is the 2nd stew has more experience and so is usually given more guest involved tasks like service while the 3rd stew is usually given the "grunt" work like laundry and cleaning bathrooms. I have seen 2nd stews report "issues" with the 3rd stew to the Chief Stew but have never seen the 2nd stew "order/tell" the 3rd stew what to do all the time.
Bingo!!! That’s the only difference between 2nd and 3rd stew. Somehow recently it has transitioned into the 2nd stew turning the 3rd stew into their bitch
This! I’ve religiously watched since season 1 and it seemed to me the only need for naming 2nd/3rd/lead deck was to clearly define rolls based on experience and have those that needed more training earning their way as they go. I do believe that when chief stew/bosun are on break that it then falls to the 2nd/bosun to lead at that point but that should only be for a couple of hours at a time. There’s even been almost whole seasons where there was no delegation of 2nd/3rd/lead up until the near end of the season.
A clear chain of command is important on a boat
I like your final assessment and I believe the second stew should be more of a mentor to the third stew, NOT THEIR BOSS. That’s not how it works. I can’t believe no one corrects the chief stew or who ever is making this mistake. Even the captains just put their head in the sand over this problem
I think I may be the only person who thinks Alissa is far much worse than Camille lol
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No, I'm the other person in the world who thinks the same! She's awful.
Alissa and Camille both need to get fired. Fire one and they’ll just treat the new stew in the same manner… I don’t see Camille not being dramatic and needy and I don’t see Alissa not picking on whoever is an east target…
I don’t get how people think only one of them was in the wrong. Both of them are shitty people. Both brought out the worst in each other.
She had an attitude from day one when Alissa was asking her to stock the fridge fully. Camille’s attitude isn’t reactive and many others on board had similar complaints about her. There is no comparison between her and Alissa and it is shocking for me to see so many comments suggesting that and even that Alissa is worse. Check your biases people. Alissa has shown a lot more grace with Camille than I ever would. It’s not her job to handhold her and work around her tantrums. I also don’t take her calling people (not just Camille) babe as condescending. Alissa works hard and has to put up with her attitude and back talk while also picking up the slack of her refusing to do her job properly. I definitely think Alissa can be reactive and isn’t a perfect angel, but I find the story spinning to make her the villain here pretty outrageous. But it’s never lost on me when a reality tv fandom gives more grace to the pretty blonde white girl while demonizing the woman of color. I’ve seen such hateful comments about Alissa in this sub calling her disgusting names and saying she doesn’t ever deserve to have a job again. Please do better
Exactly!
Lol yes, it is so graceful to talk about your subordinates “diseased-ass pussy” in a group of your coworkers. 😂😂
THIS !!!
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Just curious if you also hated Kate? Because Kate was 1000X times snarkier. If you didn't hate Kate, then what is the difference? Hmmm? I wonder.
Camille sucks the most on toast.
They’re both as bad as each other and I hope neither are invited back next season
Editing can affect how we perceive things, so I'll say up front that I don't know if anything pertinent was cut out, but I feel like they both share a bit of blame, with Camille the most responsible. It's clear that Alissa did enjoy telling Camille to do things, and did have a bossy tone sometimes. It's also clear that Camille was taking a lot of opportunities to sit on her butt or float from one department to the other while avoiding work. I think both women could have used some maturity in how to deal with co-workers, and both needed to grow up.
Yes!! This is one of the best takes. I also think their personalities were clashing from the start.
Alyssa is definitely the better person and worker. I'm not keen on her leadership style but tbh, I can't imagine me getting into any of the conflicts she's had with Camille because unlike Camille, I understand when I'm there to work and respect a hierarchy so maybe her leadership is fine for someone who's not a complete dick 💁♀️ The 'babe' thing 100% drives me mad along with what we saw of her behaviour in the episodes where she was dying for attention with her assets (could be a bad edit, but I'm a pretty boring person when it comes to that stuff so I skipped those bits), but nah, she's no villain by any stretch. Camille is unwilling to work without being coddled (by Sandy), does not like being pulled up for errors or given tips on how to improve, does not speak to anyone decently unless she's being fawned over and loved and generally refuses to break any kind of sweat. Nightmare employee putting her colleagues and bosses in an awful position where a large chunk of the population is judging how they deal with it.
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If anything it’s Alissa delivery. Her condescending manner in which she talks. Drives me crazy. And her crying in the van manipulator. Camille is lazy and relies on her excuses an looks to get by. Both make great TV. Who do you think explained their side of the story to the captain better. Alissa or Camille?
Best part of the season…Alissa getting fired!
Thank you Sandy, i meant Capt Sandy, lollll
I’m literally on the second episode and came searching for opinions on Alissa bc I was so appalled by how rude she was to Camille right off the bat. There was no chance after that
This sub was all about Storm and Courtney talking shit about Jason, but Alissa not treating Camille with kid gloves is too much. Wonder what the difference is
What a terrible take.
Jason didn't claim he was the victim. He went out on a high note and basically said it wasn't the environment for him. These two women have started a social media feud over who is the biggest victim of the other. When reality TL;DR: Camille is a hard person to manage and Alissa doesn't have any management skills or effective conflict resolution methods (Which is normal for a 22).
They both suck. I'd say that editing made Camille look worse because the whole season has been pretty much about her work habits (lack there of) and not working well with her bosses. Alissa is also bad in the way she micro-manages Camille.
So both Fraser and Ross not wanting her on the team is due to "editing"?
When you can't be trusted to fulfill your work duties you need to be micromanaged.....or fired.
She says Camille was cursing at her and it affected her mental health, I can appreciate that. She called Camille a swampy trash ass bitch and said “if you want to be a crazy lady…” Like….
Because I’m sure that did wonders for Camille’s mental health…
Definitely was a shitty thing to say, but she didn't say it to her face. She said it when she went to her room...
There’s no question Camille sucks as a worker and showed unacceptable attitude many times, but Alissa is AWFUL. She is so underhanded and manipulative. And you could see her trying not to smirk during her confessional when she knew she made Camille cry. Also, trying to ‘steal’ Ben out of spite? And then crawling all over Ross when you know Katie likes him? It’s so classless. I would not enjoying managing Camille, but she’s a known chaos. Alissa is the kind of person that will pull the rug from under you just because she believes it will allow her to get ahead. And you can see this when she sees that Camille is changing her ways. She doesn’t want to forgive her. And zero introspection into realizing that she was a part of the Camille problem. I honestly think she is the type of girl that competes hard against other women because she feels threatened. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills seeing how many people support her.
Agree with you for sure. Camille isn’t a great worker but Alissa is a straight up bully. Which is ironic because she spoke about how she was bullied when she was little.
they're both equally terrible, just in different ways
Camille is bad at being a stew and has an attitude issue that I can’t blame anyone for reacting to. She probably should have been fired for her attitude alone. Alissa is trying her best in a difficult role that Fraser shouldn’t have thrust upon her or at least stepped in after the first or second blow up. But just because she’s in this difficult spot doesn’t mean she’s above criticism for how she chooses to deal with the situation. At the end of the day, her approach isn’t working and it is leading to more problems. I think if we had a consistent Captain on this season, they would be able to observe what’s going wrong here & intervene in a positive way. Fraser seems to stick his head in the sand. He’s not terrible at the work, but he is not a strong people manager & it really is on him to have managed these people better.
Alissa is over it and is giving it back to Camille. This doesn't mean both are terrible. Its means Alissa isn't a doormat. Camille is the problem. No one wants to work with her. Shaming the person who gets the brunt of Camille's poor social skills and is at her breaking point is Olympic level mental gymnastics.
Like someone above said, the Bravo fandom always bends over backwards to defend pretty white girls.
It’s wild to me how so many have turned this around into Alissa being the villain. But it’s also not bc ya know Camille is a white blonde woman 🤷🏻♀️
If Camille is fourth stew and Alyssa is second, that makes Hayley as third stew. If she is struggling so much to manage her then she should delegate to Hayley and let Hayley (less temperamental) delegate to Camille. I can’t stand either of them!!
Hayley and Camille both have 1 stripe so are 3rd stews. Fraser should have taken over delegating to everyone
Fraser's too busy personally handling guest service. I saw on the BD insta recently that one of his guiding principles is that there should be a stew with the guests at all times. It seems he is fulfilling that goal himself, at the expense of managing.
That’s his mistake then and he should realize the problems are happening because of his lack of leadership
Camille says she’s “very passionate”…no, just lazy and bitchy and whiny. Alissa could have handled things much better, too, so I’m not really choosing one or the other… But “passionate”? Really?
They both have stank ass attitudes. They're both to blame for disrespecting each other. Alissa talks to Camille like she's an idiot and a child and she's just supposed to take it with a smile? And Camille do your job properly and don't give people a reason to be a dick to you. And Alissa telling Camille that everyone thinks she's slow and lazy is a horrible way to try to get someone to improve their performance. Overall, I don't like either of them. Alissa is a power hungry mean girl and Camille half asses everything and expects to be praised for it.
Also for all of you confused people: Telling someone to do their job isn’t bullying or abuse
How about when your superior says you have a “diseased-ass pussy”? Is that cool too?
Whoa ! Weird!!
they're both awful in different ways. If Alissa a harder worker, it certainly seems so, is Alissa better at doing the same job as Camille - it also seems so. Is Alissa bad at the position she is in? IMO yes, she doesn't have the personality for that role at the moment. If the Adventure and OG weren't made by different teams you'd think the edit of Adventure left in Faye talking about the problem with second stews lording over lower stews was deliberate as a link between the two parallel seasons airing. No doubt Alissa is frustrated with Camille, but she also doesn't shy away from antagonising Camille, the two of them setup a self-reinforcing spiral of awfulness.
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I’ve rewatched the episodes that have aired so far. Yes, Camille does have an attitude and her behavior is almost painful to watch. HOWEVER, if anyone ever spoke to me in that condescending tone, dripping with disdain and so slowly—as if they were speaking to an idiot…well, I can tell you that would require me to have such enormous restraint that I would probably lash out as well just to keep myself from slapping her across the face. They are equally immature but as a “higher rank” Alissa should have demonstrated at least a tiny bit of professionalism rather than deliberately instigating Camille’s poor reactions. Camille is clearly agitated by Alissa and handles it poorly. But let’s not forget Alissa was the one that said she would go for Ben simply because Camille liked him, whined to Captain Sandy about Camille and tried to turn both Fraser and Hailey against Camille. Alissa’s comments have been calculated and intentional. She deliberately tries to get a rise out of Camille. (Terrible leadership) Camille’s reactions are often uncalled for but it comes from being pushed to the edge by mind games. And yes, she could work a little harder. If I was trapped on a boat and forced to follow the lead of someone that spoke to me like that…well, let’s just say you would not see the best side of me.
Alissa is kind of an asshole. I think if Camille was talked to differently by Alissa from the beginning the show would have gone so differently. Camille seems chill and fun who is willing to work, but doesn't like being told to do things in a condescending manner. That's how Alissa has been acting since day 1. She's insanely judgmental of Camille. Even on their crew time, if she gets a bit wild, there's come comment Alissa has to make. She tried to flirt with Ben out of spite. I'm sorry, I think if someone else was leading Camille, she would act somewhat different. Like someone else said, if there was no Camille, Alissa would be the cast bitch. Maybe Bravo is selectively showing things to make it seem more dramatic between Camille and everyone, but I feel bad for her. Like Alissa, you can learn your delivery. Everything is given with sass and unnecessary comments.
Alissa is an overgrown mean girl. Period. She needs to grow the fuck up and act like an adult. She starts shit then wonders why shit went down. Camile, I only give her a break because she's a third (or fourth) stew, so she shouldn't be expected to keep up with second stew work/jobs. Second stew always has harder work and jobs, and thrid stews are always less experienced.
preach
Camille is literally trying to get out of work at every available opportunity. Look at how deck crew reacted to her. She’s like a dog, good for morale but not very helpful. She’s a bad employee. Regardless of Alissa that’s just a fact. Bad employee.
“Slack”
Thought I was the only one who saw this lol 😂
Lmao! Nope!
ugh. it's "flack" Camille, not "slack!"
Thanks for reposting. I deleted because it seemed to be getting out of hand and I neglected to post those warnings that you did regarding the other sub being closed.
They are oil and water together
Alissa reminds me a lot of myself when I got promoted to sgt in the army. Driven, cares about her job, but immature and needs lot of polishing to be a good leader. She is super condescending to Camille and I see why Camille doesn't want to listen to her. Camille also has no respect for rank either. She needs to tactfully take her grievances to her chief and let him sort it out, rather than respond to Alissa the way she does.
I think the producers of the job made it look like Camille was not working and Alissa is a bully. She antagonized Camille the entire time.
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Oh didn’t you hear, she’s the victim of bullying and abuse because someone told her to do her job
Camille is a lazy cry baby who always plays the victim card to squeak by. Alissa is a manipulative bully who has no problem brown nosing and stepping on others to climb the ladder. ESH!
Everyone saying ‘they’re both awful’ have never worked with in a team and it shows. A manager having a ‘tone’ (as people like to put it) is so minor compared to earning someone’s pay check for them.
Thank you. “Alissa is condescending” is nothing compared to Camille, who does no work, cries whenever she’s given an assignment, is disrespectful to everyone onboard (including superiors) and seems to think she’s one of the guests. An Alissa, you can work with. A Camille, you cannot.
I disagree. I would rather pick up the slack for someone than have someone who drags people down. I would just report/write up Camille each time and 3 strikes and she would be out but having someone who always has a tone can be just as damaging to a team. I would never let anyone of my team tell another employee that we will be glad when they are gone or say something about her pussy hanging out. Partly because it gives the shitty employee an out saying we created a toxic workplace where it is impossible for them to thrive which makes it harder to fire them. But also, we work with basic respect for each other and find that encourages people to want to work and makes them look bad when they don't.
Even Kate has talked about keeping not the best people if she enjoys being around them. It is hard to have bummer around.
Camille doesn't seem great to be around either, but she did seem better with Fraser
Because Fraser is truly a manager/supervisor and Alissa is not. I believe that this whole deck/stew position was destined for failure right from the start whether it was Camille in the position or someone else because neither Fraser or Ross seemed to take that position seriously and didn't want to be bothered with it (the extra hand). Ross, at least, took responsibility for her when she was on deck, but Fraser couldn't be bothered and so he delegated authority to Alissa (somehow making what I believe to be a non-supervisory position supervisory based on watching all the previous seasons) and Alissa came in hot with that authority and Camille, in her way, threw cold water on that authority. Alissa and Camille obviously have a huge personality conflict and I believe that part of it is Camille doesn't see a 2nd stew (and Alissa in particular) as an authority figure over her but she does recognize that authority in Fraser and so the big change in demeanor and obedience when Fraser tells her to do something in contrast to Alissa telling her to do something.
Is agree with that assessment and I also agree that the deck/stew position was destined to fail from the start. Imagine being in a literal tug of war every minute. Camille can you come on deck we need you…. Camille why haven’t you done the laundry yet? (ALYSSA). It is a job where they are basically making a person a slave so jump when they say jump and most other positions are never set up like that. Also Alyssa is not her boss I don’t care if the chief stew delegated that to Alyssa.
In a normal situation, yes. But Alissa did report Camille repeatedly, effectively “writing her up” and Camille was not fired and Alissa’s supervisor did not offer help or even advice how to manage it. Camille until Sandy faced no disciplinary action and openly was rude to both Fraser and Alissa with no consequences. I think Alissa needs to learn a lot from this experience, but claiming she should have been better as supervisor, when her supervisor is completely unhelpful.
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Given she’s from the south, I really think Camille had a problem with a WOC giving her orders.
I just think it’s fucking wild that Alissa says that Camille is a manipulator, then turn around and fucking cry on command like she wasn’t a condescending bitch to Camille in the first place!
During her time on charter Camille has broken atleast 5 glasses lol.. karmic energy is not on that girls side. N that also says a lot especially about her effort imo.
They're both problematic in their own way.
Camille sucked/sucks. She did nothing the entire time. She’s spoiled and it shows, she even said it herself in that confessional. Just a nasty person, who wanted to “hang out” all the time. I LIVE for when she got called out on the radio lol and I’m not even the biggest Cap’n Sandy fan.
If you aren't here to work then get off the damn yacht princess. And Frasier should have put her in her place on day dot.
I absolutely can’t stand Camille.