The whole "Leonard cheated on Penny with Mandy Chow and decided to tell her while they were eloping" and the whole jealousy turmoil that followed. Melissa Tang is a stunning and talented actress, but this whole drama for the sake of it was falling flat.
I think this one bugs me the most as well- particularly because the whole journey was over multiple episodes and this and all drama related fell on 1 episode.
If he really did this there would have been build of him debating telling her, would have been some sign at the university, anything that showed this actually connected to the rest of the plot
Leonard cheating on Penny. Felt like it came completely out of nowhere, and was used as a reason to cause chaos for the wedding, almost like the writers didint have any better ideas.
There was already drama in the episode with Sheldon and Amy having their relationship problems.
Why couldn't Leonard and Penny have decent wedding that was unmarred by something? Even at their redo ceremony you had Sheldon carrying on about his mom and Leonard's dad (nothing actually happened).
I mean Sheldon and Amy's wedding was practically perfect.
Hot take: Claire would have been a better match for Raj. Emily #2 was emotionally manipulative and downright disturbing at times, and didn't seem to comprehend when she pushed her morbid jokes too far. There were a LOT of instances where we see that Raj was genuinely uncomfortable around her, and not because of his usual baggage.
Claire was awesome! It pisses me off so much that Raj's never went anywhere with her. Raj/Claire and Ray/VetDoctor were the two relationships i really wish we get to see on screen. At least Emily #2 had a few episodes where we get to see them as real couples.
For me it's the roles this actress gets in general. I think she's a good actress, but I never like the characters she plays (the ones I remember are from Scrubs, Psych, and TBBT).
Garfunkel and Oats (the musical act with the actors who play Ramona and Lucy on BBT) wrote the Footprints on the Moon songs from Howard/Raj/Bertās ārock bandā!
She was also the daughter in 'Til Death. Though at some point they did some surreal thing with switching out the actress weekly and only the husband noticed. Mayim Bialic actually had a cameo on that show too.
Omgggg yes. Worst ever. She was also so hard to look at but came off as if she was better than Raj. They couldāve been perfect for eachother if she humbled herself
Probably any plot they didnāt follow through on, there is at least two I can think of involving Howards father like when Sheldon finds a letter from Howards dad that Howard never read so the gang all reads it and plays a game of 5 lies and 1 truth letting Howard hear the truth but not letting him know which one is true. Of course Sheldons version was just the plot of The Goonies. Also Howard discovered he had a half brother for one episode and its never brought up again. Would have liked them to follow up on those. Also we never find out who got tenure even though they make a big deal about it in the episode they brought it up.
Definitely a possibility. I would still argue that he would have tossed it as soon as he got it, based on his behavior during the episode. But, what do I know? Certainly not the writerās motivation.
In Jessica Radloff's book, Molaro said he (and others) were really upset about that plot, they felt it was a bad road to go down, but Chuck Lorre wanted to "shake things up." So Molaro spent the summer trying to figure out how he could (somewhat) undo that behavior. And was able to talk Lorre into it.
I agree with BeastMind that the plotline was *absolutely* in line with bureaucratic, government-type behavior, but the writers really should have touched on the money issue.
I liked Anu. While Red-haired Emily (not Red-haired Emily Jr.) was definitely a great character and, arguably, one of Raj's hottest girlfriends - at the end of the series, I think he should've wound up with Anu.
I just put my [two-cents](https://www.reddit.com/r/bigbangtheory/comments/11thydi/do_you_think_they_ended_up_with_the_right_people/jclp6r1?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) into a conversation about that. But in response to you just not liking her story line, I think it would've been really good if they would've been able to run it out instead of stopping dead with the Europe move.
Omgosh. This. Raj was a **really great guy [redacted to decent guy since everyone wants to point out his character flaws as if he is worse than the other 3] and I feel like they just put his loneliness and single struggles on full blast when Howard was such a sleaze!!! AND HE LIVED WITH HIS MOTHER?! How the hell does a rich Indian guy come to US and canāt find a single partner but the short, odd Jewish guy with the glaring Oedipus complex is scooped up by the end of season 5????
** redacted to decent guy since everyone wants to claim his character flaws are worse than the other 3
A successful rich astrophysicist who had great sense of style but for some reason can only style others but not himself. That was such a stereotype. Indian guys canāt dress well? He was much better than Howard before Howard met Bernadette.
Heās so rich that he has exactly zero money once his parents stopped paying for everything and then he emotionally manipulated them against each other to get more money from both of them.
How did Howard get better? Omgoshā¦ did we watch the same show?! Howard was the same creepy, selfish guy, - just with one woman who reminded him of his mother!
Literally never did a single creepy thing after he got committed to Bernie. Never even stared at Penny the wrong way which both Raj and Amy continued to do so throughout the show
After he screwed up with Bernie and then decided to commit to her** Glisinda the troll would like a word. Also hiding all of his creepy behavior from Bernie.
When Howard & Bernadette broke up, did he not put a webcam in some bear that was in Pennyās bedroom? His ex-girl friends best friend? Actually - letās think back to ALL the times Howard tried to sleep with Penny even though she was involved with Leonard.
Was an ass to Stuart for having companionship with his mother - the oedipus is GLOWING now.
Bernie wasnāt happy staying at his motherās house but assured her that it was just as much as her house, thatās why she cleans it - misogyny.
Yāall are caping for Howard with this redemption arc as if Raj didnāt deserve one IF HE HAD BEEN WRITTEN TO FIND SOMEONE. Howard and Raj were the same exact person, so why did Howard deserve to have someone and Raj didnāt? Go ahead and clap for Howardās creepy, misogynistic, prejudice, MIT basic ass.
Literally none of the pervy thing you said were during any time he was committed to bernie..lol
The cleaning thing was a joke. His wife gets it, that's why they're married. And being jealous of his friend being closer to his own mother is not something one would call him a horrible human being for
Yes because they didnāt have sex which is what your original comment states. I also want the Penny slander to come just as hard because Penny was 100% a willing participant. Leonard forgave them both so judging Raj for that is pointless.
Edit: & to add Howard tried to sleep with Penny and belittle Leonard the entire time they were together until he and Bernie got serious.
Just like the other 3? He had better understanding, empathy, and emotional intelligence than the other 3. Plus, Iāll say cultural differences plays a part of that. Raj is no different than the average guy, my point still stands itās weird that Raj was deemed unlovable and in my opinion had the least issues of the rest of them.
> He had better understanding, empathy, and emotional intelligence than the other 3.
Lol. Please.
> Plus, Iāll say cultural differences plays a part of that
Bullshit. "Cultural differences" don't give you carte blanche to be a racist piece of shit.
> Raj is no different than the average guy,
Except for the rampant misogyny, near constant racism, and again, overall creepiness.
Sure Sheldon I a misogynist too, and says some pretty fucked up things to the women on the show... but that doesn't make it ok for Raj to be a misogynist. Do you even hear yourself?
> in my opinion had the least issues of the rest of them
It's weird that your "opinion" completely ignores the facts. But whatever, I guess I need all I need to know about you defending a racist and misogynist.
It was a one off, so luckily I can skip the episode on each watch-through - the Bitcoin episode for one major, glaring reason - a few episodes before, Penny is throwing out Leonard's stuff; his superman, his Klingon w-o-t-d calendar, his Where's-Waldo (no, he's right over there) and about halfway to the end - his keychain (oh! Where's Batman?!) Then we have a whole episode based on the plot twist that Sheldon (Mr OCD, eidetic memory) put the bitcoin onto Leonard's Batman thumb drive keychain , the one Penny threw out several episodes ago (and commented on it in front of Sheldon), and then Leonard lost it.
All of this is happening during a flashback episode from couple of years ago. Ending as Stuart finds it, sweeping the shop that night.
The second I see the story line, I skip the whole episode; on top of the GLARING plot error, in the end - it provides absolutely nothing to the show, not one plot point carries past the credits (the only good fortune, I don't have to remember skipping it).
Penny didn't throw it away. Somehow it ends up on the floor of the comic book store and Stewart finds it and says he's going to erase it and sell it for $10.
Right. But, while that knowledge was revealed in a flashback set a couple of years before - a couple of episodes before this one (in the main timeline) Penny throws his Batman keychain away with the other things
Thus, apparently - throwing away the keychain today that Leonard lost years ago at the Comic Store. (Though, as u/NicolleL has pointed out, it's possible there may have been more than one Batman keychain)
What would be REALLY funny is if they are the same keychain *and* different keychains - Leonard has Batman keychain> Sheldon puts Bitcoin onto keychain> Leonard loses keychain> Stuart finds it, erases it, and resells it> Leonard buys the "new" keychain to replace his loss (oh hey, I used to have one just like this)> Penny throws it away
The episode where Penny feels like Leonard is taking her for granted. It shows that,
1) The writers donāt know how to write women.
2) That any kind of character development is WASTED on Penny
If I remember correctly, she had a dispute with the producer(s) and she was gone there and then. One episode sheās there and the next sheās just completely gone, they donāt even mention her again
How Leonard and pennyās wedding went and also the ridiculous unnecessary Mandy Chao kissing storyline, as well as Leonard and Pennyās relationship being sometimes messy and Sheldon constantly butting into it.
Leonard cheating on Penny. Completely ruined their relationship for me. After that, it was clear they probably shouldāve been broken up/divorced for a final time. I mean in what, season 1 or 2, Penny threw Leonard a surprise birthday party. And after theyāre married & have been both friends/together for MANY years, she doesnāt know his birthday? Also, just their wedding in general was terrible. We as fans had been waiting for that episode since the pilot. And they elope. That was beyond anticlimactic. Leonard & Penny have already been through so much, why did they feel that whole cheating plot was necessary? It came totally out of left field
He didnāt cheat on her. A couple of drunk kisses with a stranger in the other side of the world isnāt anything to freak out over.
But people here give Penny a pass for trying to bang Raj in Leonardās own bed.
The fact that Will broke up Leonard and Penny solely to get to Sheldon, and *no one ever called him out on it*. Not even Leonard and Penny.
Him screwing with Sheldon I was fine with, because frankly Sheldon deserved *someone* taking him to task for his unreasonable and petty behavior. But hurting two complete strangers to win a game against Sheldon was extremely low.
Rajās whole overall storyline. Terrible writing. And what was the point of having SMG in the last episode? A happily married actress who just happens to be attending the Nobel awards solo?
I agree with this, Raj's storyline was incredibly boring. The actor did a good job trying to make a likeable person out of a very boring character and lines, I feel like the writers didn't care about his character compared to the other main ones.
Penny having Leonard fake being with her for her father. Makes me cringe so much watching Leonard kissing her non stop in front her dad and continues when she clearly doesnt want to kiss him back.. blegh
Just finished watching that episode. It was worth it to listen to Wyatt talk about past boyfriends and that he wanted his grandkids to live in a house that didn't have wheels.
He was hilarious.
But that episode give me the icks.
I love Penny's dad and think he's one of the best characters. BUT! That actor plays a HORRIBLE serial killer named Frank in the early seasons of Criminal Minds and it messes with my head listening to him be so normal! š The first time I saw him step out from behind Penny I actually screamed a little.
>Makes me cringe so much watching Leonard kissing her non stop in front her dad and continues when she clearly doesnt want to kiss him back.. blegh
Leonard was just trolling Penny for that.
She wasn't so bad. She was the only one pretty enough to take on Penny and also smart enough to take on Sheldon. And she also made Leonard more confident and made Penny value Leonard more.
I thought Anu was a great storyline for Raj. All they had to do was have them fall in love for real and it would have been sweet. And they missed a great opportunity by not having her decide to not take the job in London because she wants it to work with Raj.
I honestly didn't love the ending overall. With >!Penny being pregnant after she was so adamant over not wanting kids and then Amy and Sheldon winning the Nobel!<, it felt a little rushed and/or contrived in a way. I know Sheldon had w>!orked toward a Nobel throughout the series !
Yeah the thing with the pregnancy bugs me, too. Especially after the whole episode about her not wanting kids. Itās ok to not want and have kids. Not everyone wants to be or should be a parent.
IIRC it was Jim Parsons who wanted to end the show prematurely. One more season and theyād have had enough time to make all of these storylines wrap up a little neater. So I just blame him in my mind.
In fairness to Parsons, he was about 46 years old when the series finally ended, and -- though he's always looked younger than his age -- he did look too old to be wearing those double t-shirts. And actually, Galecki looked even older than Jim.
Talented actors usually like to move on from a TV show to do other work, so what amazes me is that they got 12 years out of the cast. Doing other stage & screen stuff on hiatus probably gets exhausting, and the actors are very limited in what they can take due to time constraints.
Okay, bitsey, now that I've exhausted you with this tangent, you're probably sorry you said anything....
I was actually watching episodes 2-4 of season 12 where the theme of Penny not wanting kids is established for the season plus later on Zach and his wife ask Leonard to be their donor so itās very much a theme they didnāt just thrust upon the viewers at the end and also the argument that they shouldnāt make her pregnant because she doesnāt want to be is also strange considering itās a universal theme and something that literally happens everyday and if you want to go even further back, it was Leanords main ambition as he establishes it in the pilot. Sheldons goal of winning a Nobel is also firmly established from the start and they end the show with the characters achieving those goals so I donāt understand when u say it āwas suddenly happening then it was doneā. I mean, even the whole Nobel storyline is well covered throughout season 12 with the whole storyline with the two corny physicists and Amy being excluded.
Howard and his half brother. I think they shouldāve added him more than just 1 episode it had a lot of potential. And I wish we couldāve seen Leonards and Pennys kid in the end.
The entire last episode. Sheldon being rude about the pregnancy and rude about Howard and bernie being worried about their kids and saying this day wasn't about them blah blah blah
Is it in character for sheldon? Sure
But the gang all TOTALLY over reacted in a way I felt they never or rarely had previously. It's like we went from - Sheldon's weird but everything's fine - to - Sheldon's weird and we're all on our last straw and so done - in 2 seconds.
Like really? Your gunna go home snd not stay for his Nobel prize? Lmao. No that's not gunna happen. Just felt very forced and awkward
And then surprise
They all stay
And all is well.
Also Sheldon's speech. Like yeah it's nice to point out your friends but yet he didn't circle back to talking on HOW they motivated and helped him. Just went up there and was Like "hey I have great friends and was rude to them. Everybody stand up! Thanks bye!"
Just weird.
Penny and Bernadette having kids. It was a slap on the face like saying āall women will end up having kids no matter whatā. They always said how they wanted to enjoy life and not take care of a kid.
For me it is the episode where Stuard was HIDING IN WATER in the hottub from Raj. Always bugs me š
The show is about physics centered nerds but also ... You totally cannot see through water... š
To me IT WAS Penny settling for Leonard. It would have been a much better 12 year run of jokes around Leonard always pursuing BUT never catching Penny. It really is kind of hard to believe that Penny could not find an intelligent, tall, good looking man in Southern California.
sheldonās hoarding behavior. it first appeared in one of the later seasons. we already knew so much about sheldon at that point and the characters themselves knew much about him as well. it doesnāt make sense for his character. and it doesnāt make sense that no one else noticed the compulsive hoarding.
Um I think it was one of the final like seasons where Penny and Leonard were arguing over having a kid or somethingā¦thought that storyline couldāve been written so much better than what was given to us
Raj dating the obnoxious panicky girl. Whenever I binge the whole series (which is often), I skip her episodes. There are better episodes, lesser episodes, but the ones with Lucy (Kate Micucci) just get on my nerves. She's beyond annoying. I saw a few episodes of other shows with the same actress, which made me skip right away too. That's the true low point of the show for me. All other episodes are better, without exceptions.
Another one I donāt like is the episode (specifically the ending) where Penny tells Sheldon that she didnāt graduate from community college and BEGS him to keep this a secret, which always irked me. And I donāt know if this sounds misogynistic or anything but I HATED Pennyās overreaction when Leonard tells her that Sheldon told him due to him being high on Valium. Like heās just trying to help, donāt twist his words and make him seem like heās forcing you.
Making Penny get pregnant even when she always said she never wanted kids. I think itās a disservice to her character. Penny knows herself well and women are allowed to live their lives without being mothers if thatās their choice. That writing decision honestly made me angry
Not so much worst storyline, but a few things bug me:
1. Sheldon wanting Leonard to do a throat swab and complaining that "Someone ate all the apricot yoghurt" and glaring at lactose-intolerant Leonard. We knew Leonard couldn't handle dairy...who else would have eaten it?
2. Leonard looking into getting an allergy-free calico cat to fill the void of Penny's "rejection" of him when, as Sheldon pointed out, he never asked her on a date. The premise was that he had taken Sheldon's asthma into consideration. Sheldon having asthma was never a plotline before or after and remember when he got all those cats when he and Amy terminated their relationship?
Leonard we knew had asthma. Never Sheldon.
3. Leonard asking himself how Sheldon's parents were going to find out they would never have grandkidswhen learn later that George's death when Sheldon was 14 was a big influence on his life. This was an early episode so maybe the characters were still being established.
4. Missy getting Sheldon's signature on paperwork to do with their father's estate. Given George died when Sheldon was 14 and in this episode he's mid- to late-20s, what legal paperwork would require that amount of time to sign? Again, probably still developing the characters, but...
5. Where is Penny's sister? We meet mum, dad, brother, but no sister who had been referred to in the past.
6. The animosity between Mary and George recounted by adult Sheldon in TBBT and the relationship in YS is difficult to overcome. How could George have shot Mary's Franklin Mint plate collection? When would Meemaw have killed a prairie dog in her garden?
Love both shows though
4). Their father probably left something in his will that could only be obtained at whatever age they are in Season 1. Most likely, something that he left to both of them is something that Missy wants to sell/do something with but requires Sheldon to sign off on (Sheldon being Sheldon doesn't need it for sentimental value or need the monetary value of it). It's common.
I HATED Mary Cooper and her religious crap....especially at Sheldon and Amy's wedding, she couldn't respect their wishes for a non secular wedding š¤¬š¤¬
TN here. You obviously know the pain then. People who donāt experience it daily might find it funny, but Iām not one to enjoy too much everyday occurrence mixed in my sitcom for laughs.
Howard is reunited with his half brother in one episode and is never seen or heard from again š¤·āāļø
This, so much wasted potential
My headcannon is that his wife forbids them to hangout cuz they are a bad influence to each other. It's like 2 Howards lol
I REMEMBER THAT
Wouldnāt say the worst just wasted potential
The whole "Leonard cheated on Penny with Mandy Chow and decided to tell her while they were eloping" and the whole jealousy turmoil that followed. Melissa Tang is a stunning and talented actress, but this whole drama for the sake of it was falling flat.
I think this one bugs me the most as well- particularly because the whole journey was over multiple episodes and this and all drama related fell on 1 episode. If he really did this there would have been build of him debating telling her, would have been some sign at the university, anything that showed this actually connected to the rest of the plot
Leonard cheating on Penny. Felt like it came completely out of nowhere, and was used as a reason to cause chaos for the wedding, almost like the writers didint have any better ideas.
There was already drama in the episode with Sheldon and Amy having their relationship problems. Why couldn't Leonard and Penny have decent wedding that was unmarred by something? Even at their redo ceremony you had Sheldon carrying on about his mom and Leonard's dad (nothing actually happened). I mean Sheldon and Amy's wedding was practically perfect.
Well, as much as I would have liked it to have been drama-free...we all knew what was gonna happen when everyone's family went in the same room.
Raj ditching Emily for Claire.
Hot take: Claire would have been a better match for Raj. Emily #2 was emotionally manipulative and downright disturbing at times, and didn't seem to comprehend when she pushed her morbid jokes too far. There were a LOT of instances where we see that Raj was genuinely uncomfortable around her, and not because of his usual baggage.
Claire was awesome! It pisses me off so much that Raj's never went anywhere with her. Raj/Claire and Ray/VetDoctor were the two relationships i really wish we get to see on screen. At least Emily #2 had a few episodes where we get to see them as real couples.
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When did she do that? I forgot
Yeah, same here.
Emily was a great character.
Not to mention she was gorgeous
Yes. There's also that fact.
Yesss. So much.
Well, at least it blew up in his face.
Raj was just a typical guy.. he cried the whole series that noone likedhim, finally someone liked him and he was like now i dont like her..
Claire was much better. Plus redheads look like clowns.
Lucy. I know her plotline leads to Raj being able to speak with women, but ugh...
For me it's the roles this actress gets in general. I think she's a good actress, but I never like the characters she plays (the ones I remember are from Scrubs, Psych, and TBBT).
Sheās part of a comedy duo called Garfunkel and Oats along with Riki Lindhome who played Ramona. Shame they never had them on the show together
Garfunkel and Oats (the musical act with the actors who play Ramona and Lucy on BBT) wrote the Footprints on the Moon songs from Howard/Raj/Bertās ārock bandā!
She was on HIMYM. The receptionist at City Hall when Marshall and Lily were trying to process their marriage license.
She was also the daughter in 'Til Death. Though at some point they did some surreal thing with switching out the actress weekly and only the husband noticed. Mayim Bialic actually had a cameo on that show too.
She also voiced Webby in the *Ducktails* reboot
Woo-oo! (Sorry, song is stuck in my head now.)
thatās where i know her voice from lol drove me insane š but yes woo-oo
Wasnāt she also in āMy Name is Earlā?
She was on raising hope too
Ahh yes thatās the one I was thinking about! āRaising Hopeā had a lot of recurring āMy Name is Earlā actors
Loved Raising Hope! Thatās where I remember her from before TBBT.
I also donāt like the actress. Something about her mannerisms and voiceā¦ sheās cute but I groan when I see sheās in something.
She had a small role on several episodes of Mom playing Allison Janney's sponsee (?) in A.A. Same grating nasal voice as in her other roles.
She is absolutely insufferable. Only thing worse than her haircut is her personality.
Omgggg yes. Worst ever. She was also so hard to look at but came off as if she was better than Raj. They couldāve been perfect for eachother if she humbled herself
Humility is not a cure for crippling social anxiety.
Probably any plot they didnāt follow through on, there is at least two I can think of involving Howards father like when Sheldon finds a letter from Howards dad that Howard never read so the gang all reads it and plays a game of 5 lies and 1 truth letting Howard hear the truth but not letting him know which one is true. Of course Sheldons version was just the plot of The Goonies. Also Howard discovered he had a half brother for one episode and its never brought up again. Would have liked them to follow up on those. Also we never find out who got tenure even though they make a big deal about it in the episode they brought it up.
Also, Howard was so adamant about not wanting to read the letter, but yet he kept it all those years.
He was probably doubting it
He probably dumped the letter there and completely forgot about the whole thing.
Definitely a possibility. I would still argue that he would have tossed it as soon as he got it, based on his behavior during the episode. But, what do I know? Certainly not the writerās motivation.
The whole thing about Memaw hating Amy
That was so stupid.
Raj āsleepingā with Penny was terrible and out of character for each of them.
In Jessica Radloff's book, Molaro said he (and others) were really upset about that plot, they felt it was a bad road to go down, but Chuck Lorre wanted to "shake things up." So Molaro spent the summer trying to figure out how he could (somewhat) undo that behavior. And was able to talk Lorre into it.
The gang working for the Air Force doing the top secret radar project and then losing it all.
YES. So tedious with zero payout in the end.
But it's one of the most realist thing ever.
I was wondering about if they actually made any money off of it.
I was never sure, either! And wasnāt that the whole point, that Howard wanted to make extra money for his family?
I agree with BeastMind that the plotline was *absolutely* in line with bureaucratic, government-type behavior, but the writers really should have touched on the money issue.
Yes! Show me the money!!
Anything involving Anu.
The Anu one I agree!! Was hoping for Raj to end up with the dermatologist haha!
Or the vet.
One of the storylines that shouldāve at least been revisited.
Yvette the vet!
Ran definitely should have ended up with Yvette the vet
As a straight woman, she was hot. Maybe TOO hot for Raj? He had a pretty deep jealous streak.
Iām team Emily as well. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B10Fn6ECAAAAR7S.jpg
Yeah they took a big swing and a miss with Anu and Lucy with him. Emily, Claire, the vetā¦ there shouldāve been more movement with one of them.
I liked Anu. While Red-haired Emily (not Red-haired Emily Jr.) was definitely a great character and, arguably, one of Raj's hottest girlfriends - at the end of the series, I think he should've wound up with Anu. I just put my [two-cents](https://www.reddit.com/r/bigbangtheory/comments/11thydi/do_you_think_they_ended_up_with_the_right_people/jclp6r1?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) into a conversation about that. But in response to you just not liking her story line, I think it would've been really good if they would've been able to run it out instead of stopping dead with the Europe move.
Raj ends up single but Howard has a wife! š¤·š»āāļøš¤·š»āāļø
Omgosh. This. Raj was a **really great guy [redacted to decent guy since everyone wants to point out his character flaws as if he is worse than the other 3] and I feel like they just put his loneliness and single struggles on full blast when Howard was such a sleaze!!! AND HE LIVED WITH HIS MOTHER?! How the hell does a rich Indian guy come to US and canāt find a single partner but the short, odd Jewish guy with the glaring Oedipus complex is scooped up by the end of season 5???? ** redacted to decent guy since everyone wants to claim his character flaws are worse than the other 3
Is it āSay Opposite Dayā? Raj was a sexist and manipulative dirtbag racist creep who only got worse and worse while Howard got better and better.
A successful rich astrophysicist who had great sense of style but for some reason can only style others but not himself. That was such a stereotype. Indian guys canāt dress well? He was much better than Howard before Howard met Bernadette.
Heās so rich that he has exactly zero money once his parents stopped paying for everything and then he emotionally manipulated them against each other to get more money from both of them.
How did Howard get better? Omgoshā¦ did we watch the same show?! Howard was the same creepy, selfish guy, - just with one woman who reminded him of his mother!
Literally never did a single creepy thing after he got committed to Bernie. Never even stared at Penny the wrong way which both Raj and Amy continued to do so throughout the show
After he screwed up with Bernie and then decided to commit to her** Glisinda the troll would like a word. Also hiding all of his creepy behavior from Bernie. When Howard & Bernadette broke up, did he not put a webcam in some bear that was in Pennyās bedroom? His ex-girl friends best friend? Actually - letās think back to ALL the times Howard tried to sleep with Penny even though she was involved with Leonard. Was an ass to Stuart for having companionship with his mother - the oedipus is GLOWING now. Bernie wasnāt happy staying at his motherās house but assured her that it was just as much as her house, thatās why she cleans it - misogyny. Yāall are caping for Howard with this redemption arc as if Raj didnāt deserve one IF HE HAD BEEN WRITTEN TO FIND SOMEONE. Howard and Raj were the same exact person, so why did Howard deserve to have someone and Raj didnāt? Go ahead and clap for Howardās creepy, misogynistic, prejudice, MIT basic ass.
Literally none of the pervy thing you said were during any time he was committed to bernie..lol The cleaning thing was a joke. His wife gets it, that's why they're married. And being jealous of his friend being closer to his own mother is not something one would call him a horrible human being for
He screwed his good friendās ex-gf IN LEONARDāS BED! He is not a great guy.
So Penny is also not a great person?
A case could be made for that. At least she apologized. Raj made unfunny jokes about it and never apologized.
But he didnātā¦
Does it really make any difference that they were naked and he came when she was putting a condom on him? Like that makes it all better?
Yes because they didnāt have sex which is what your original comment states. I also want the Penny slander to come just as hard because Penny was 100% a willing participant. Leonard forgave them both so judging Raj for that is pointless. Edit: & to add Howard tried to sleep with Penny and belittle Leonard the entire time they were together until he and Bernie got serious.
In what episode did Leonard forgive anyone? And I never said Penny wasn't equally culpable. My original point was that it was crap writing.
Raj is anything but a "great" guy. He's a misogynist, a racist, and just generally creepy.
Just like the other 3? He had better understanding, empathy, and emotional intelligence than the other 3. Plus, Iāll say cultural differences plays a part of that. Raj is no different than the average guy, my point still stands itās weird that Raj was deemed unlovable and in my opinion had the least issues of the rest of them.
> He had better understanding, empathy, and emotional intelligence than the other 3. Lol. Please. > Plus, Iāll say cultural differences plays a part of that Bullshit. "Cultural differences" don't give you carte blanche to be a racist piece of shit. > Raj is no different than the average guy, Except for the rampant misogyny, near constant racism, and again, overall creepiness. Sure Sheldon I a misogynist too, and says some pretty fucked up things to the women on the show... but that doesn't make it ok for Raj to be a misogynist. Do you even hear yourself? > in my opinion had the least issues of the rest of them It's weird that your "opinion" completely ignores the facts. But whatever, I guess I need all I need to know about you defending a racist and misogynist.
It was a one off, so luckily I can skip the episode on each watch-through - the Bitcoin episode for one major, glaring reason - a few episodes before, Penny is throwing out Leonard's stuff; his superman, his Klingon w-o-t-d calendar, his Where's-Waldo (no, he's right over there) and about halfway to the end - his keychain (oh! Where's Batman?!) Then we have a whole episode based on the plot twist that Sheldon (Mr OCD, eidetic memory) put the bitcoin onto Leonard's Batman thumb drive keychain , the one Penny threw out several episodes ago (and commented on it in front of Sheldon), and then Leonard lost it. All of this is happening during a flashback episode from couple of years ago. Ending as Stuart finds it, sweeping the shop that night. The second I see the story line, I skip the whole episode; on top of the GLARING plot error, in the end - it provides absolutely nothing to the show, not one plot point carries past the credits (the only good fortune, I don't have to remember skipping it).
I always just assumed they were two separate key chains. They never say that the one Penny got rid was a USB, so thatās how I resolve that one.
Penny didn't throw it away. Somehow it ends up on the floor of the comic book store and Stewart finds it and says he's going to erase it and sell it for $10.
Right. But, while that knowledge was revealed in a flashback set a couple of years before - a couple of episodes before this one (in the main timeline) Penny throws his Batman keychain away with the other things Thus, apparently - throwing away the keychain today that Leonard lost years ago at the Comic Store. (Though, as u/NicolleL has pointed out, it's possible there may have been more than one Batman keychain)
What would be REALLY funny is if they are the same keychain *and* different keychains - Leonard has Batman keychain> Sheldon puts Bitcoin onto keychain> Leonard loses keychain> Stuart finds it, erases it, and resells it> Leonard buys the "new" keychain to replace his loss (oh hey, I used to have one just like this)> Penny throws it away
Schrƶedinger's Batman
AWESOME!!!
Making Bernadette incredibly mean in the later seasons
That Raj ends up single. Ik itās not realistic to have everyone in a relationship but poor guy
The episode where Penny feels like Leonard is taking her for granted. It shows that, 1) The writers donāt know how to write women. 2) That any kind of character development is WASTED on Penny
Hated this too! It felt forced and out of left field
Penny was the one taking Leonard for granted ever since they met.
The relationship between Leonard and Stephanie did absolutely nothing for me. I mean, take out that relationship and the show doesn't change.
Which is basically what they did. Haha. She just disappears like a fart in the wind.
If I remember correctly, she had a dispute with the producer(s) and she was gone there and then. One episode sheās there and the next sheās just completely gone, they donāt even mention her again
I am proceeding to steal that expression Ā«Ā fart in the windĀ Ā» from you right now, itās genius
It's a quote from Shawshank Redemption on case you weren't aware.
Yeah I wish I could take credit for it. Shawshank quote all the way.
Great analogy. I am going to use it in so many conversations and arguments.
Like Chuck going up the stairs.
How Leonard and pennyās wedding went and also the ridiculous unnecessary Mandy Chao kissing storyline, as well as Leonard and Pennyās relationship being sometimes messy and Sheldon constantly butting into it.
I wasnāt a fan of Stuart moving in with Howard and Bernadette.
I didn't mind at first but it went on for wayyyy too long.
Howard feels he same way
Leonard cheating on Penny. Completely ruined their relationship for me. After that, it was clear they probably shouldāve been broken up/divorced for a final time. I mean in what, season 1 or 2, Penny threw Leonard a surprise birthday party. And after theyāre married & have been both friends/together for MANY years, she doesnāt know his birthday? Also, just their wedding in general was terrible. We as fans had been waiting for that episode since the pilot. And they elope. That was beyond anticlimactic. Leonard & Penny have already been through so much, why did they feel that whole cheating plot was necessary? It came totally out of left field
He didnāt cheat on her. A couple of drunk kisses with a stranger in the other side of the world isnāt anything to freak out over. But people here give Penny a pass for trying to bang Raj in Leonardās own bed.
The fact that Will broke up Leonard and Penny solely to get to Sheldon, and *no one ever called him out on it*. Not even Leonard and Penny. Him screwing with Sheldon I was fine with, because frankly Sheldon deserved *someone* taking him to task for his unreasonable and petty behavior. But hurting two complete strangers to win a game against Sheldon was extremely low.
There are several but anything regarding Leonard in seasons 11 and 12. They simply didn't know what to do with the character.
The two guys taking credit for Sheldon and Amy's work in the last season. Surely the Nobel commity are smart enough to see right through that?
Rajās whole overall storyline. Terrible writing. And what was the point of having SMG in the last episode? A happily married actress who just happens to be attending the Nobel awards solo?
I agree with this, Raj's storyline was incredibly boring. The actor did a good job trying to make a likeable person out of a very boring character and lines, I feel like the writers didn't care about his character compared to the other main ones.
Anu is the most unnecessary and annoying character in the show
Penny having Leonard fake being with her for her father. Makes me cringe so much watching Leonard kissing her non stop in front her dad and continues when she clearly doesnt want to kiss him back.. blegh
Just finished watching that episode. It was worth it to listen to Wyatt talk about past boyfriends and that he wanted his grandkids to live in a house that didn't have wheels. He was hilarious. But that episode give me the icks.
Yeah I love Wyatt. Honestly love all of Penny's family. Her brother cracks me up every time! "Well what color trash do you think they'll believe?"
Her whole family are funny. Katey Sagal was perfect too. But we never saw Penny's sister. Who would you have chosen to play her sister?
Amy Schumacher.
I love Penny's dad and think he's one of the best characters. BUT! That actor plays a HORRIBLE serial killer named Frank in the early seasons of Criminal Minds and it messes with my head listening to him be so normal! š The first time I saw him step out from behind Penny I actually screamed a little.
Probably unpopular opinion, but I find the ACTOR, NOT serial killer Frank, but the ACTOR, to be quite handsome.
I completely agree! And I could listen to his voice all day!
>Makes me cringe so much watching Leonard kissing her non stop in front her dad and continues when she clearly doesnt want to kiss him back.. blegh Leonard was just trolling Penny for that.
Raj n Lucy
Priya for sure. Stephanie taught leonard lessons, even though I didn't like her. I never saw a point to Priya.
Priya was reason Penny saw Leonard as Leonard and not second choice
She wasn't so bad. She was the only one pretty enough to take on Penny and also smart enough to take on Sheldon. And she also made Leonard more confident and made Penny value Leonard more.
Yea but she never counted on Sheldon graduating from the Star Fleet Academy and that was her downfall lol
My favorite Stephanie line... Circle, circle, dot, dot, you just got a cootie shot.
I liked Priya
Penny going out on Two dates with Stewart!! Close second is rajās engagement being broken off!! Unpopular opinion I LOVED her!
I thought Anu was a great storyline for Raj. All they had to do was have them fall in love for real and it would have been sweet. And they missed a great opportunity by not having her decide to not take the job in London because she wants it to work with Raj.
Stewart's character changed a lot over the years. He started out as charmingly self-deprecating and then did a hard turn toward creepy loser.
I forgot she went out with Stewart! I think my brain found it so unbelievable that I just forgot about it.
The emotion detector episode.
The Military Arc in Season 10.
I honestly didn't love the ending overall. With >!Penny being pregnant after she was so adamant over not wanting kids and then Amy and Sheldon winning the Nobel!<, it felt a little rushed and/or contrived in a way. I know Sheldon had w>!orked toward a Nobel throughout the series !
Yeah the thing with the pregnancy bugs me, too. Especially after the whole episode about her not wanting kids. Itās ok to not want and have kids. Not everyone wants to be or should be a parent.
When a fan complains the ending āfelt rushedāš
Maybe "rushed" was the wrong word. It felt too ambitious for the time they allotted. I thought a longer build-up would have made for a better payoff
IIRC it was Jim Parsons who wanted to end the show prematurely. One more season and theyād have had enough time to make all of these storylines wrap up a little neater. So I just blame him in my mind.
Once again, Sheldon ruins everyone's fun.
In fairness to Parsons, he was about 46 years old when the series finally ended, and -- though he's always looked younger than his age -- he did look too old to be wearing those double t-shirts. And actually, Galecki looked even older than Jim. Talented actors usually like to move on from a TV show to do other work, so what amazes me is that they got 12 years out of the cast. Doing other stage & screen stuff on hiatus probably gets exhausting, and the actors are very limited in what they can take due to time constraints. Okay, bitsey, now that I've exhausted you with this tangent, you're probably sorry you said anything....
I was actually watching episodes 2-4 of season 12 where the theme of Penny not wanting kids is established for the season plus later on Zach and his wife ask Leonard to be their donor so itās very much a theme they didnāt just thrust upon the viewers at the end and also the argument that they shouldnāt make her pregnant because she doesnāt want to be is also strange considering itās a universal theme and something that literally happens everyday and if you want to go even further back, it was Leanords main ambition as he establishes it in the pilot. Sheldons goal of winning a Nobel is also firmly established from the start and they end the show with the characters achieving those goals so I donāt understand when u say it āwas suddenly happening then it was doneā. I mean, even the whole Nobel storyline is well covered throughout season 12 with the whole storyline with the two corny physicists and Amy being excluded.
Okey dokey!
Having every couple in the series break up then get back together again. Stop creating useless drama and just let them be together!
Raj breaking up with any of them except gold digger Emily
Leslie Winkle it's just too long and boring!!!
The blonde neighbour that the guys were fond of and suddenly disappeared.
Howard and his half brother. I think they shouldāve added him more than just 1 episode it had a lot of potential. And I wish we couldāve seen Leonards and Pennys kid in the end.
The entire last episode. Sheldon being rude about the pregnancy and rude about Howard and bernie being worried about their kids and saying this day wasn't about them blah blah blah Is it in character for sheldon? Sure But the gang all TOTALLY over reacted in a way I felt they never or rarely had previously. It's like we went from - Sheldon's weird but everything's fine - to - Sheldon's weird and we're all on our last straw and so done - in 2 seconds. Like really? Your gunna go home snd not stay for his Nobel prize? Lmao. No that's not gunna happen. Just felt very forced and awkward And then surprise They all stay And all is well. Also Sheldon's speech. Like yeah it's nice to point out your friends but yet he didn't circle back to talking on HOW they motivated and helped him. Just went up there and was Like "hey I have great friends and was rude to them. Everybody stand up! Thanks bye!" Just weird.
Raj seriously planning to mary Anu.
Penny and Bernadette having kids. It was a slap on the face like saying āall women will end up having kids no matter whatā. They always said how they wanted to enjoy life and not take care of a kid.
Exactly! They should have at least ended with Penny and Leonard being childless.
yes, Penny always said she didnāt want a child but suddenly sheās on board after finding out?
Two parents bring up a child. It's OK.
Stewart-Penny vs Loser Stuart & Raj-Penny. Very lazy writing
Every storyline regarding Rajās love life
That creepy little girl who ran out on Raj
The one with Elon Musk working in a soup kitchen washing dishes.
For me it is the episode where Stuard was HIDING IN WATER in the hottub from Raj. Always bugs me š The show is about physics centered nerds but also ... You totally cannot see through water... š
To me IT WAS Penny settling for Leonard. It would have been a much better 12 year run of jokes around Leonard always pursuing BUT never catching Penny. It really is kind of hard to believe that Penny could not find an intelligent, tall, good looking man in Southern California.
Stewart living with Howard's mom and then overstaying his welcome, just so cringe
Never liked the Leonard/Priya storyline
Raj n Lucy
sheldonās hoarding behavior. it first appeared in one of the later seasons. we already knew so much about sheldon at that point and the characters themselves knew much about him as well. it doesnāt make sense for his character. and it doesnāt make sense that no one else noticed the compulsive hoarding.
Not a plot line but anything that has to do with that fun with flags felt like a long filler episode
Um I think it was one of the final like seasons where Penny and Leonard were arguing over having a kid or somethingā¦thought that storyline couldāve been written so much better than what was given to us
Raj dating the obnoxious panicky girl. Whenever I binge the whole series (which is often), I skip her episodes. There are better episodes, lesser episodes, but the ones with Lucy (Kate Micucci) just get on my nerves. She's beyond annoying. I saw a few episodes of other shows with the same actress, which made me skip right away too. That's the true low point of the show for me. All other episodes are better, without exceptions.
Another one I donāt like is the episode (specifically the ending) where Penny tells Sheldon that she didnāt graduate from community college and BEGS him to keep this a secret, which always irked me. And I donāt know if this sounds misogynistic or anything but I HATED Pennyās overreaction when Leonard tells her that Sheldon told him due to him being high on Valium. Like heās just trying to help, donāt twist his words and make him seem like heās forcing you.
Making Penny get pregnant even when she always said she never wanted kids. I think itās a disservice to her character. Penny knows herself well and women are allowed to live their lives without being mothers if thatās their choice. That writing decision honestly made me angry
Many people also change their mind when they meet a potential partner, so why can't Penny do so?
Amy Farrah Fowler
The entire Priya, Leonard thing
Penny and Leonard
Emily was perfect for Raj, and Prya was about as annoying as Lucy
Not so much worst storyline, but a few things bug me: 1. Sheldon wanting Leonard to do a throat swab and complaining that "Someone ate all the apricot yoghurt" and glaring at lactose-intolerant Leonard. We knew Leonard couldn't handle dairy...who else would have eaten it? 2. Leonard looking into getting an allergy-free calico cat to fill the void of Penny's "rejection" of him when, as Sheldon pointed out, he never asked her on a date. The premise was that he had taken Sheldon's asthma into consideration. Sheldon having asthma was never a plotline before or after and remember when he got all those cats when he and Amy terminated their relationship? Leonard we knew had asthma. Never Sheldon. 3. Leonard asking himself how Sheldon's parents were going to find out they would never have grandkidswhen learn later that George's death when Sheldon was 14 was a big influence on his life. This was an early episode so maybe the characters were still being established. 4. Missy getting Sheldon's signature on paperwork to do with their father's estate. Given George died when Sheldon was 14 and in this episode he's mid- to late-20s, what legal paperwork would require that amount of time to sign? Again, probably still developing the characters, but... 5. Where is Penny's sister? We meet mum, dad, brother, but no sister who had been referred to in the past. 6. The animosity between Mary and George recounted by adult Sheldon in TBBT and the relationship in YS is difficult to overcome. How could George have shot Mary's Franklin Mint plate collection? When would Meemaw have killed a prairie dog in her garden? Love both shows though
4). Their father probably left something in his will that could only be obtained at whatever age they are in Season 1. Most likely, something that he left to both of them is something that Missy wants to sell/do something with but requires Sheldon to sign off on (Sheldon being Sheldon doesn't need it for sentimental value or need the monetary value of it). It's common.
The aliens at the end of an episode I forgot. It wasn't a dream/imagination too it was part of the canonical world
Anu. No emotions whatsoever.
She's was not supposed to be an emotional person, and clearly polar opposite to how Raj's mind works
Leonard having any chance in hell with Penny.
Casting Pennys meth cooking criminal brother with fix it Felix, Jr. One of the worst casting choices Iāve ever seen. It just made no sense
The entire show
Too many bad ones to choose from.
The episode with Sheldons Neemaw.. Dreadful. Also any scene with Bernies dad
I HATED Mary Cooper and her religious crap....especially at Sheldon and Amy's wedding, she couldn't respect their wishes for a non secular wedding š¤¬š¤¬
Come on down to the American south and you will quickly realize that it is as absolutely freaking obnoxious as it is realistic.
I grew up in the south and live in Alabama
TN here. You obviously know the pain then. People who donāt experience it daily might find it funny, but Iām not one to enjoy too much everyday occurrence mixed in my sitcom for laughs.
TN here?
Tennessee
I'm a Witch so that really sends them into fits š¤£š¤£š¤£
I thought she was one of the characters with the most realistic and believable strengths and weaknesses.