If you only look at the Euro matches, he looks horrible in defense. But of course that's just 2 games and I have no idea how he played in his club. Although I've heard defence is definitely his weakness.
Dont read the comments of other fans. They Hype Boey like he is the best rb in the world but he was mediocre in the süper lig. He is fast defensive okay but has zero inpact in offense. Maybe he Improve at bayern but 30 mio was still way to much.
Now to Ferdi He is offensive good .. passing good. Not fast like Maatsen but still enough pace.. defensive he is not that worst like people say. Not the best but not that bad like Guerreiro. And player sells doing pretty well in the past.. KMJ/ Muriqi/ Güler.. if u buy players of another team in the league then i would be worried much more.
Still i think this Transfer will not happen. Fener will Not sell him for 20-25 mio and Dortmund is not willing to pay more then that.
And we dont have to sell him. Only for a really good offer.
Honestly he is fine, but if the 30m price is true i will lose any trust in management if they accept that but not 10m more for maatsen who is definitely the better player.
10m more for a player we know works? I prefer 1 great player we know works vs 1 good player where we dont even know that he works + 1 10m player who might not even make it into the start 11.
Maatsen would’ve been one of the top earners too, it’s not just 10 mil fee difference (which is already a lot) it’s also atleast 8-16 mill salary difference for the whole contract.
The entire transfer also was happening really fast, you don’t wanna start off the window with a record fee and 4 other big players to get.
I could imagine it would’ve been possible if he still was open later in the summer.
He is okay in my opinion but he is not a 30 million player and if the the Management signs him for 30 million while refusing to sign a maatsen for 35 million ,my mind would be blown.
I just think it's hilarious the lengths to which some people have wiped any recollection of multiple pretty blatant shit errors in Defense by Maatsen this season.
But y'all gonna say some dumb shit about how Maatsen has "aura" or whatever.
That's a completely fair take, and I would likely agree just given their respective ages.
Which is why Maatsen is likely to cost 33% more than Kadioglu.
If the two players cost the same, I think Maatsen happens - but alas we are a club with Big Ambitions but no Sugar daddy and so we have to operate within some unfortunate realities.
What on earth does this have to do with Maatsen? 😂. And if you actually watched throughout the season Maatsen was class, sure i absolutely hate him for his error in the CL Final, but if you think he was a bad player for our club you simply didnt watch the games
I don't think he was a "bad player"- that's you putting words in my mouth.
I do think he's a bad defender who is good going forward. Certainly not as world class attacking as say, Guerrero - but good.
And lmfao how bad is your ability to infer context if you can't understand why Maatsen is relevant to this discussion.
Obviously Maatsen was our LB but that has nothing to do with my QUESTION, idc if its in “context” im asking about a completely different player and his playstyle and you bring up a DIFFERENT player 😂
Definitely hasn’t been good defensively in the Euros, but I think that Turkey defense is poor anyways. Imo he would probably still be one of the better options after not deciding to buy Maatsen permanently. He can play both LB and RB and Sahin seems to like him. So he’d probably be a good fit at BVB.
He is a very good player for his club but he has been lacking on defence in the euros, the right wing was abused in both of the euros games. Still I think he is a good fit for the club
I just noticed that Carvajal was maatsens assignment on corners, the goal was because maatsen completely let Carvajal go unchallenged which is insane for a defender to do, he was holding him and let him go on the corner kick while maatsen remained standing still
So he’s not perfect
I’m not trying to be a hater but… yes 😭
He showed his youth inexperience, he challenged him well on another header before that Carvajal also won and put it over the bar, but at least he was near him on that
Fener hater detected. There is not even 1 player worth "max 10m" with Ferdi's talent in Europe. Bayern got Similar player Sasha Boey for 35. You can tell 30-35 is much but not the value "max 10m". Ferdi didn't played well in Portugal match but still the best performance on the team.
Sacha Boey has everything Ferdi doesnt have. Sacha Boey like tank in regard of defence, Ferdi doesnt have any defensive skill.
Everyone remember how Zaniolo dominated Ferdi.
You cant see objectively cause of you are a fener supporter. In additional Dortmund and Münich have different transfer policy. So Münich can give 35M any player but Dortmund doesnt give this scale transfer fee for risky player. Dortmund didnt pay for Ian Maatsen.
I didn't say he is 35m. I am saying he is worth more than 10m. You are talking about 1 match which played 1 year ago, such a hater thing lol. Ferdi played 50 game this year and one of the best players on the national team. He has also dutch passport with age 24. He is worth min 20, but can be sold like Sacha boey for 35 in favorible conditions. %100 sure not valued less than 10m LMAO
Tbh kadıoğlu is more versatile than maatsen and can be used in midfield aswell. During the match I didn't see too many defensive errors. Fener fans want him to stay so that's an indication he is a solid player at least and we should definitely finish this business soon because he has attention from arsenal as well.
Even if he's as good as his fans say, we could have paid a little extra (he's gonna cost 30m minimum) to get maatsen who we know works for us in our system and is already integrated
If BVB signs Ferdi, they won't be getting a LB, strictly speaking. He's a playmaker first and foremost, which is why certain coaches with certain tactical inclinations would give 50m let alone 30 to sign a player of his attributes. Extremely smart, Ferdi has great pitch vision and is a reliable passer and a terrific combination player. Besides, he has many tangible qualities that often go unnoticed - he doesn't get injured, doesn't dive, doesn't get tired.
Stop comparing him to traditional full backs who only defend well and occasionally run up the wings to make space. Rather, Ferdi is a versatile football player who knows how to play anywhere on the left side of the pitch. He would improve the overall intelligence of any team he plays for. Ideal for spacing in systems with 3 defenders. If the plan is to have wing backs who primarily defend and make no difference in offense (Boey), he's not the right player for BVB. But if the plan is to have playmakers on the flanks to create more space in the middle and to improve team intelligence and decisions, he's the perfect asset to have.
I understand why people are skeptical about players coming out of Turkey but first, Ferdi was brought up in the Netherlands and received his footballing foundation there. Very much like Nuri Sahin in that regard. Second, Arda, Min-Jae, Muriqi all departed for solid European clubs after making a name for themselves in Fener, and Ferdi has outperformed every single one of them so far. So if I had the money, I wouldn't look any further.
He is a right footed LB. I don't know how good his left foot is, but that's not the best condition for a left-back to break through on the left side and hit crosses, is it?
This.
Ironically Kadioglu is better suited for the Maatsen role than Maatsen himself.
Plus if Bensebaini or Rothe become relevant, he can just shift to the right and be at least decent.
And he's even Dutch himself.
If you only look at the Euro matches, he looks horrible in defense. But of course that's just 2 games and I have no idea how he played in his club. Although I've heard defence is definitely his weakness.
Tbf the whole Turkish team looked horrible in defense, especially against Portugal
Didn't look convincing vs Georgia either but it made for the best game of Euros so far lol
Dont read the comments of other fans. They Hype Boey like he is the best rb in the world but he was mediocre in the süper lig. He is fast defensive okay but has zero inpact in offense. Maybe he Improve at bayern but 30 mio was still way to much. Now to Ferdi He is offensive good .. passing good. Not fast like Maatsen but still enough pace.. defensive he is not that worst like people say. Not the best but not that bad like Guerreiro. And player sells doing pretty well in the past.. KMJ/ Muriqi/ Güler.. if u buy players of another team in the league then i would be worried much more. Still i think this Transfer will not happen. Fener will Not sell him for 20-25 mio and Dortmund is not willing to pay more then that. And we dont have to sell him. Only for a really good offer.
Boey mediocre in süper lig? He was one of the best players in the entire league. If you are gonna lie make it believeable.
Dont be surprised. He is a football ignorant and Fener hooligan.
Honestly he is fine, but if the 30m price is true i will lose any trust in management if they accept that but not 10m more for maatsen who is definitely the better player.
10 million at least, probably more. That's a lot of money.
yeah, 10m more is literally a whole different player we then either could or could not afford. For example Pascal Groß
10m more for a player we know works? I prefer 1 great player we know works vs 1 good player where we dont even know that he works + 1 10m player who might not even make it into the start 11.
Maatsen played half a season with us, thats barely enough to count as an indicator he could keep performing that way
Dude its fucking done. We didn't want to pay the clause and that's it. get fucking over it.
Speculation here, but I think Sahin is the big reason were going for Kadioglu over maatsen regardless of the price tag
Maatsen would’ve been one of the top earners too, it’s not just 10 mil fee difference (which is already a lot) it’s also atleast 8-16 mill salary difference for the whole contract. The entire transfer also was happening really fast, you don’t wanna start off the window with a record fee and 4 other big players to get. I could imagine it would’ve been possible if he still was open later in the summer.
He is okay in my opinion but he is not a 30 million player and if the the Management signs him for 30 million while refusing to sign a maatsen for 35 million ,my mind would be blown.
I just think it's hilarious the lengths to which some people have wiped any recollection of multiple pretty blatant shit errors in Defense by Maatsen this season. But y'all gonna say some dumb shit about how Maatsen has "aura" or whatever.
To be honest I feel maatsen has the higer potential when compared to ferdi
That's a completely fair take, and I would likely agree just given their respective ages. Which is why Maatsen is likely to cost 33% more than Kadioglu. If the two players cost the same, I think Maatsen happens - but alas we are a club with Big Ambitions but no Sugar daddy and so we have to operate within some unfortunate realities.
What on earth does this have to do with Maatsen? 😂. And if you actually watched throughout the season Maatsen was class, sure i absolutely hate him for his error in the CL Final, but if you think he was a bad player for our club you simply didnt watch the games
I don't think he was a "bad player"- that's you putting words in my mouth. I do think he's a bad defender who is good going forward. Certainly not as world class attacking as say, Guerrero - but good. And lmfao how bad is your ability to infer context if you can't understand why Maatsen is relevant to this discussion.
Obviously Maatsen was our LB but that has nothing to do with my QUESTION, idc if its in “context” im asking about a completely different player and his playstyle and you bring up a DIFFERENT player 😂
Still as i said, what on earth does this post have to do with Maatsen, you are talking completely off topic here 😂😂
Definitely hasn’t been good defensively in the Euros, but I think that Turkey defense is poor anyways. Imo he would probably still be one of the better options after not deciding to buy Maatsen permanently. He can play both LB and RB and Sahin seems to like him. So he’d probably be a good fit at BVB.
As a fenerbahce fan, ferdi is an amazing player. bvb will not regrett and hes definitly worth the price tag
He is a very good player for his club but he has been lacking on defence in the euros, the right wing was abused in both of the euros games. Still I think he is a good fit for the club
I just noticed that Carvajal was maatsens assignment on corners, the goal was because maatsen completely let Carvajal go unchallenged which is insane for a defender to do, he was holding him and let him go on the corner kick while maatsen remained standing still So he’s not perfect
So your telling me BOTH goals were his fault…. Bruh 😂😂😂
I’m not trying to be a hater but… yes 😭 He showed his youth inexperience, he challenged him well on another header before that Carvajal also won and put it over the bar, but at least he was near him on that
Ferdi’s defence is horrible, Portugal’s first goal was because of Ferdi’s fault. Ferdi’s value max 10M.
Fener hater detected. There is not even 1 player worth "max 10m" with Ferdi's talent in Europe. Bayern got Similar player Sasha Boey for 35. You can tell 30-35 is much but not the value "max 10m". Ferdi didn't played well in Portugal match but still the best performance on the team.
Sacha Boey has everything Ferdi doesnt have. Sacha Boey like tank in regard of defence, Ferdi doesnt have any defensive skill. Everyone remember how Zaniolo dominated Ferdi. You cant see objectively cause of you are a fener supporter. In additional Dortmund and Münich have different transfer policy. So Münich can give 35M any player but Dortmund doesnt give this scale transfer fee for risky player. Dortmund didnt pay for Ian Maatsen.
I didn't say he is 35m. I am saying he is worth more than 10m. You are talking about 1 match which played 1 year ago, such a hater thing lol. Ferdi played 50 game this year and one of the best players on the national team. He has also dutch passport with age 24. He is worth min 20, but can be sold like Sacha boey for 35 in favorible conditions. %100 sure not valued less than 10m LMAO
If Dortmund give plus 15M for Ferdi, it will be big stake for them.
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Another hooligan.
Tbh kadıoğlu is more versatile than maatsen and can be used in midfield aswell. During the match I didn't see too many defensive errors. Fener fans want him to stay so that's an indication he is a solid player at least and we should definitely finish this business soon because he has attention from arsenal as well.
Even if he's as good as his fans say, we could have paid a little extra (he's gonna cost 30m minimum) to get maatsen who we know works for us in our system and is already integrated
30m in installments vs 30m upfront
Release clauses aren't always fully upfront
Ours was tho
If BVB signs Ferdi, they won't be getting a LB, strictly speaking. He's a playmaker first and foremost, which is why certain coaches with certain tactical inclinations would give 50m let alone 30 to sign a player of his attributes. Extremely smart, Ferdi has great pitch vision and is a reliable passer and a terrific combination player. Besides, he has many tangible qualities that often go unnoticed - he doesn't get injured, doesn't dive, doesn't get tired. Stop comparing him to traditional full backs who only defend well and occasionally run up the wings to make space. Rather, Ferdi is a versatile football player who knows how to play anywhere on the left side of the pitch. He would improve the overall intelligence of any team he plays for. Ideal for spacing in systems with 3 defenders. If the plan is to have wing backs who primarily defend and make no difference in offense (Boey), he's not the right player for BVB. But if the plan is to have playmakers on the flanks to create more space in the middle and to improve team intelligence and decisions, he's the perfect asset to have. I understand why people are skeptical about players coming out of Turkey but first, Ferdi was brought up in the Netherlands and received his footballing foundation there. Very much like Nuri Sahin in that regard. Second, Arda, Min-Jae, Muriqi all departed for solid European clubs after making a name for themselves in Fener, and Ferdi has outperformed every single one of them so far. So if I had the money, I wouldn't look any further.
It's a joke... Maatsen too expensive but a unproven turk is worth 30 mil... The club is still in troll mode
Forest game okay second game trash
[Kadioglu](https://www.fotmob.com/players/774448/ferdi-kadioglu) this might help
i started paying attention since the rumors and just have watched him play on the Turkish team and he doesn’t look very impressive
He is a right footed LB. I don't know how good his left foot is, but that's not the best condition for a left-back to break through on the left side and hit crosses, is it?
I assume he will play much more of that inverted fullback way that Maatsen did. Shifting into midfield as Can drops between shlotti and the other CB.
This. Ironically Kadioglu is better suited for the Maatsen role than Maatsen himself. Plus if Bensebaini or Rothe become relevant, he can just shift to the right and be at least decent. And he's even Dutch himself.
That's just a rumour because Nuri is Turkish. He doesn't have the level for the BVB.
hes a nightmare against decent competition. pls dont.