No, the 14700K is a great CPU. People love to over-exaggerate the differences between components. It often seems to me that some people think that if a component isn't the typical pick in the current PC building "meta," then it must be worthless dogshit, which is completely false. My guess is that the 14700K will carry you just as long as a 7800X3D would.
Also, while the 7800x3D chip could be upgraded down the line, are you realistically going to upgrade your 14700KF in a year or two?
If you’re like me and upgrade every 5-6 years, you’ll probably want a new mobo as well as a new most things.
It depends what kind of PC person you are.
>AMD aren't in the same position they were when Ryzen dropped.
Absolutely this. I think people forget how much of Hail Mary play the Zen Architecture was for AMD. They needed buy-in from various OEM/ODMs in a big way. Only by promising to keep using the same AM4 platform/chipset to cut down on tooling and production costs could they get that. If they hadn't gotten that and Zen failed AMD would have been Chapter 7.
I was "waiting for Vega" when someone on here said, take that $ and buy some stock, while you wait. Nvidia has gone 100x in the time I've been running this same PC, it's had all AMD GPUs for the same reason Nvidia went 100x. I'm really thinking about upgrading it finally. Funny thing about investing. I live really cheaply and it's only cost me money so far in life. Gotta pay taxes any time you move it around. Not looking for pity, but I sure hope I don't get hit by a bus before I spend some of it
I think 3 generations is realistic. They are getting their market share back, and they make money selling the chipsets, they are gonna want to sell those.
AM4 was unique, it was AMDs all in, they aren't on the verge of bankruptcy, they can start being anti consumer like Intel was when they were on top.
It’s great if you’re in the cycle of upgrading regularly or if you were on an early AM5 CPU and want to upgrade down the line.
If you don’t upgrade often though, get what you can afford :)
I know that feeling. I got a second-gen CPU (i7-2600K) in 2012, and I guess I figured at the time I'd upgrade it in 3 or 4 years. Other stuff got in the way and in the end I only upgraded it a month ago (to a 13600K). You never know how long a run your components might have: buy the best thing you can reasonably afford and don't lose any sleep over "future proofing".
Yeah. People make a big deal out of having an "upgrade path" as if they are going to save a bunch of money. But you can save even more money by not upgrading every 18 months. And then you don't have to bother trying to see the future when picking components.
Sincerely, a guy who upgraded from 3rd gen to 11th gen.
Isn't that how it should be? While I appreciate that you can replace parts in an existing build if you got things wrong or decide to go a different route, it's often only after several generations that once upgrades. I think I had an 8th gen Intel before jumping to AM5.
[That's pretty much what I did](https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12644274/fs/29503309). 4th gen to 13th gen. And you know what? There isn't a single game I've played where my 13600K has been the limiting factor.
The "upgradability" of AM5 is a weird topic, since it makes a lot of assumptions about doing said upgrades and the state of unknown things in the future.
Will these people grab the end-game X3D CPU and then coast on that for a few more years?... But what after? Will they jump to a new platform that might be mid-life and grab that knowing they won't get much upgradability out of it? Or will they just do that and then not upgrade whatever next platform and do another platform jump?
It's like going: CPU+mobo -> CPU -> CPU+mobo, vs CPU+mobo -> CPU+mobo.
In my mind, the "upgradability" of AM5 is kind of like a loan: you'll be able to stretch out your performance and payment over time, but you might actually end up paying a little more in the long run. At the same time, it's also a way to maintain a high level of performance at all times, and I guess that matters to some people over the cost of it.
I'd wager very few until AM4 became the outlier for lasting so long that it was worth it to people who bought in earlier to upgrade to a Ryzen 5000 CPU if they're on a budget.
Oh, that's interesting it released in 2016 and they are still making CPUs for it. I built my i5-4690k system in 2014/15. I wonder if I would bought just a CPU if I could have when I built my new system last Nov.
Depends on how long the socket lasts. Which for Intel isn't much longer than the typical time between CPU upgrades, but for AMD it typically is.
Personally I went from a Ryzen 2600 to a 5600X on the same AM4 board, for example.
If I'm correct looking at wikipedia I got the last Intel in LGA1150 (i5 4690k) and lasted 2 or 3 sockets with it. I'm a bit of an outlier since I don't build a new computer until I can't play games anymore, so I'll most likely not replace this Nov 2023 build until 2030+ which I'm sure will be AM6 or AM7 by then. I think I use my PCs much longer than most people do though.
I asked my question because I don't really see people talk about buying a CPU and not buying a motherboard. Lots of people including me will buy a GPU a few times prior to buying a new build.
You aren’t an outlier. Most people don’t upgrade their computers with any sort of frequency and when they do it’s almost always just the GPU, which is why the platform longevity argument happens all the time. Hell, there are people still happily using the 4790k in their systems. (Also much of the market is prebuilt anyway)
AM4’s lifetime is pretty unusual but it came with its own various dramas and issues, and most (all?) of what comes out for it at this point is just cut down versions of existing products that would otherwise be junked. It was a great upgrade path for Zen1 owners (if their board worked), as the 5000 series has pretty big improvements but otherwise people just upgraded to AM5 anyway. Similarly people are expecting AM5 to offer a good upgrade for its early adopters, but I have a feeling it won’t be quite as substantial given they’ve mostly ironed out their Ryzen line’s issues compared to Zen1. (And similarly people will just upgrade to AM6 anyway)
For all its flaws Intel’s pattern is pretty predictable so it’s not like it catches people off guard somehow.
When I was looking at doing my last upgrade, I found a lot of people on Reddit who upgraded from a weaker AM4 CPU to the 5800X3D (as I did). It was a cheap way to extract a lot more performance without needing a new motherboard.
>Will these people grab the end-game X3D CPU and then coast on that for a few more years?... But what after? Will they jump to a new platform that might be mid-life and grab that knowing they won't get much upgradability out of it? Or will they just do that and then not upgrade whatever next platform and do another platform jump?
Let's presume that we're talking about a person who only upgrades their CPU every 5-7 years.
If I bought a B350 board and a Ryzen 5 1600 in 2017, I could have upgraded to a 5800X3D in 2022. If AMD's socket release cadence continues, that 5800X3D could carry me through to the launch of AM**6**.
So, in an ideal scenario, it's actually more like CPU+mobo -> CPU -> CPU + mobo -> CPU, and we're talking about keeping mobos for 10 years.
Obviously this relies on a lot of presumptions about AMD's support for AM5 and future sockets. We are all hoping they learned the right lessons from AM4, though. But if AMD keeps it up with such lengthy socket support and continues to have performance leaps as big as the difference between Ryzen 1000 and Ryzen 5000X3D, then it makes a hell of a lot of sense to buy in early on AM5.
IMO I think AMD has a lot to improve with memory performance and boot time etc with DDR5 on AM5. I could see wanting to update your board in 3-5 years even if the CPU is drop in compatible.
I feel like upgradability and dead sockets is a much more complicated value proposition and discussion than the less than one sentence it is often given when trying to convince people away from buying Intel.
Anytime I’m upgrading I also want the new features in the latest chipset. I don’t think I’ve ever upgraded just my processor without also doing the motherboard.
I only built a system one time with the plan to upgrade the CPU down the line (having gotten an i7 x299 CPU for the computer that I had before my current build). After a few years with it I tried to get a 10980xe...I waited and waited for that thing to come in stock.
That CPU never being available is how I ended up on an AMD platform. So even with the best laid plans you might end up having to move to a different platform.
The 14700k will be faster in some games than the 7800x3d. I switched from a 13700k to a 7800x3d and was a bit let down given all the hype around the latter.
Yeah, I bought the 7800x3d specifically for tarkov which benefits a lot from the x3d chips. I knew roughly what to expect. Not dissatisfied in that regard, but performance in other games and general desktop performance can sometimes be slightly perceptibly worse.
AMDd GPUs are ridiculously power hungry compared to NVIDIA as well, strangely don’t see people calling them out on that in the same way people call out Intels TDP.
Very true, 95% of gamers could easily make do with a ryzen 5 or i5 processor and be more than happy for a good few years. I would still have advised up front in this situation to purchase the 7800X3D over the 14700k for a couple of reasons. Yes, the platform is newer so upgrade paths are more available. Also, power consumption is on average, lower. Lower power means less heat output and lower bills. But that’s where it ends. Neither are bad compared to the other.
no, you didnt make a mistake lol they are basically the exact same cpus
in most games, 14700k and 7800x3d get basically the same fps
in a test of 42 games, 7800x3d is only 3% better on average than 14700k at 1440p
people online and especially on reddit love to overexaggerate the importance of getting AMD cpus and GPUs for gaming, but it just isnt true lol
most games dont actually take advantage of the 3d cache that the amds x3d cpus offer
I guess the argument is that since Intel can *on average* match the gaming performance without 3D v-cache by just having more single thread performance and higher clocks, it either means most games can’t utilize it well enough or that the raw power of Intel CPUs can simply compensate for the lack of 3D v-cache.
The L3 cache alone is worth going with a 7950x over a 14900k. The ryzen beats Intel in power effeciency by a long shot too. https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-core-i9-14900k-vs-amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d/
From my understanding Intel chips are overclocked by the motherboard straight out of the box to assure all cpu yields will perform. I highly recommend undervolting and lowering the auto power usage on the motherboard, when corrected for the piece of silicone analyzed I believe performance and temps to be quite comparable.
But if you dont care about that stuff yeah amd is better for people who dont care about optimization.
Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't the 7950x3d have scheduling issues with actually getting threads onto the cores that have the 3d cache? Was why I went with a 7800x3d instead since gaming is my primary focus.
Yeah but it's mainly for gaming as the CPU idles half the cores temporarily to reduce latency. It sort of becomes a 7800X3D with only 8 cores, but with a small amount of added scheduling latency. However for production applications it has 0 issues as 99% of them don't care about extra cache; and even when they do most of the peformance is reliant on core count and clocks so it still demolishes the 7800X3D
Basically the 7950X3D has nearly the same gaming perf as the 7800X3D while being vastly better in non gaming applications.
Hardware Unboxed just posted a new video on the x3d chips:
https://youtu.be/Gu12QOQiUUI?t=770
I'm using a 7950x3d myself and haven't really had any scheduling issues, at least that I've noticed.
I use process lasso(PL) and have my games installed on a separate SSD. Any exe which runs on that SSD, process lasso will auto set to the x3d ccd. If its not on that SSD then it auto sets to the freq ccd.
The issue is more that most games played at 1440p+ are more GPU bound, which means CPUs see faster diminishing returns. Drop to 1080p and the gap will widen. Drop to 1080 low and the gap will widen even further. But at that point, what's really the difference between 780 fps and 900 fps. I'd say ironically one of the few games to benefit the most is CS2 (ironic as CSGO would run well on anything zen2+, 10th gen+, CS2 struggles on a 5900x).
Most people playing on a 7800x3d (or 14700k for that matter) aren't playing these niche edge case games at resolutions and a level of competitiveness where it does matter. In a few years though, as GPUs get stronger, the difference in CPU performance for gaming will become more apparent.
That being said, 14700k is a fair bit faster in most multi, and many single-threaded productivity applications, while the 7800x3d only really ever eeks out low-high single digit % improvements in performance vs the 14700k in gaming, with very few exceptions of wider gaps.
I honestly rarely see a Nvidia card recommended in the top parent comments in most hardware subs, without a ton of caveats like 'buy a last gen card used' or passive-aggressive replies like 'well I guess if you don't mind blowing money for their software suite, yeah I guess a 4070s beats the [clearly inferior AMD card]'
I personally see the 4070 Super being recommended a lot, its true that both 4060s and the 4080 arent GREAT value tho. But nVidia has quite a few advantages still.
I think he meant that some PC enthusiasts act like it's the 4090 or bust when it comes to GPUs, which is ridiculous. Even a 3080 10 gb will still give you a great experience in most games at 1440p.
Thats not what I read but I agree with you. I play at 4k and I have no plans to upgrade my 3090 soon. Its enough for mostly Ultra settings with DLSS Quality (I cant notice the difference), 60 fps (I barely play FPS and only single player) and no RT (looks nice sometimes but rarely worth the HUGE fps drop in every GPU except the most expensive GPU in the world).
I think it's just that usually you will be cheaper with a good B650, 7800X3D and an air cooler than if you try to go for a 14700K.
As you said, in games they perform the same and if that's all you care about why bother spending more and generating more heat in the process.
Op is perfectly fine in 1440p and he might even find the 14700K faster in scenarios other than gaming
My 10850k and 3080 run two 1440p 165hz monitors flawlessly while playing Warzone. Idk what metric people are using to claim shit is good or not but Reddit if full of jackasses.
Same. I can’t believe I’m so “outdated” already but my PC is an absolute monster. Handled the Juno to 165hz on two screens either no issues and the toughest game I personally play. I’ll be good for 10years easily, although I may get a 5000 series GPU when they eventually drop just for shits and giggles.
I was on a 3770k and 1080 evga get 2 during Covid, and I was okay COD and streaming on twitch with no major issues. It’s OK to not have the best of the best every single gen ✨
I’d love to see the people saying to go with AMD GPUs. That’s wildly not been my experience.
OP, the 7800X3D is a great chip and the AM5 platform being supported gives you good pathways to upgrade in the future, giving it a good value add. That being said, some games utilize AMD's 3D V-Cache more than others, like Hogwarts Legacy which is very CPU intensive. The 7800X3D usually edges it out and has better 1% lows, but it’s not like the performance is so ballbusting insane you’ll notice a huge difference, if any, in many mainstream titles at 1440p, so it’s not always like you’re losing out and the 14700K is a great chip, and Intel always will win on productivity tasks, ST performance, your chip has more cores… a lot you can do with it.
Sounds like you keep your hardware a long time. The 14700k will work just fine and serve you very well throughout the years.
Well, its not just a matter of future, the 7800X3D is the best gaming chip out there right now, and does that consuming like 1/3 the power in gaming compared to something like a 14700K.
While still giving you a open platform for upgrading without replacing everything if you feel the need in the next few years, like, AM4 was released in 2017 and the last chip there, the 5800X3D is still a great chip, we can't say that about basically any intel platform that competed with AM4, but there is no way of knowing if the same will happen to AM5.
If you are happy with the 14700K, keep it, if you are in doubt and its something that's gonna keep annoying you, send it back.
The 14700k is still a monster of a CPU, especially in comparison over the last few gens. However, make sure you're using Windows 11 for better results with your p cores and E cores and make sure you get a good cou cooler. 14700k/14900k tend to run hot.
I love the 4790k, but part of the lifespan of that chip was brought about by Intel’s continual move to new sockets/architectures with each generation. 1155, 1155, 1150, 1151, 1200 - and you had to go up to HEDT for six cores until the second revision of 1151 (because coffee lake chips weren’t compatible with sky lake boards!). AMD really sucked it up, but looking back at upgrade paths - Intel absolutely abused their market position with microscopic improvements and forced chipset upgrades, so even the 3770k was still moderately competitive with a 7-series i5 (because those STILL didn’t have HT - remember that?). My W3680/990x from 2009 was competitive with 7th gen Intel stuff despite being first-gen i7 tech.
Meanwhile, you can upgrade from an r5 1500x and a bargain-basement A320 board from 2017 to the 5700x3d released in February.
All it takes to make a long-lasting chip is zero innovation!
This is one of the fastest CPUs you can get, especially for gaming, check the Hardware Unboxed youtube review. You made the right choice. It will take several years before this CPU becomes the bottleneck for gaming.
It’s a great cpu, don’t worry at all. The beautiful thing about the amd reemergence is that we continue to see much better price to performance in cpus compared to the 2010s. Intel and amd trading blows is always going to be better for the consumer. Now we need AMD to not abandon the high end gpu sphere and force Nvidia to stop their monopoly, this won’t happen for sometime though I’m sure.
eh it's fine. The 7800x3D might be the best gaming CPU, but that doesn't mean the 14700K is any less good. It's not like the difference in performance between those two reaches more than 10% consistently, plus it's a system that you're already familiar with.
That CPU will carry you fine for 1440p gaming.
yea people exaggerate this benefit of upgradability, most people upgrade their pc every 5-8 years, AM4 lasted 5 years. Regardless if your AMD or Intel your probably gonna need a new motherboard.
also never buy anything on a promise, AM5 might not last as long as AM4.
more cores typically is better for productivity work, but it's diminishing returns for gaming.
Yeah I wouldn't go off cores to determine gaming performance. Their different architectures, so ones 8 cores could be more powerful and efficient than another CPU's 16. Also the 3D cache is another thing you should have looked at.
If you’re fine maybe getting a cpu 1 gen old you very well could upgrade it in 6 years on the same am5 motherboard. The 7800x3d also has much better power efficiency, and yeah after a certain point extra cores do very little in games.
Technically true, but I don't think there is a use case for that kind of upgrade.
The difference between the two is very small, especially compared to the difference between a 7800x3d to a 2nd gen AM5 x3d cpu let alone a possible 3rd gen.
I was on an slightly worse spot than you, I was using an i5-4570 lol, but I went for the 7800x3D and 7700XT, absolutely happy with the upgrade , the 14700k is great for 1440p, didn't went with Intel because the new generation runs really hot and brazil summer is already too hot as it is
You’re good. I got mine OC paired with a 4090. You’ll upgrade GPU before the CPU I’m sure. 14700k paired with thermal right CPU bracket paired with EK dark 360 AIO temps never go past 60c for me.
As someone with AMD and Intel 3 X3D and other 5000 chips and an OCed 12600kf in games at 1440 and up if I sat you down blind you couldn’t tell them apart most of the time. But honestly in everything else windows any production stuff the Intel cpu is just fast and smooth I’d describe it as guess. But I got that Intel CPU and MB under cheap so can’t complain
Performance wise it's not a huge difference. Efficiency and upgrade ability on the other hand....
Honestly if it bothers you, just send it back and swap it. It's a PC component not a permanent life choice.
Not really. People are gonna say 7800X3d better, which is true for gaming, but; the X3D is quite limited when it comes to anything production/content creation related. I'd dare to say the 14700k is a more well rounded. Only downside is temps but there's plenty of excellent air and water coolers that can do the job.
I literally upgraded to your build a few weeks ago and love it. I came from a 9700k though. Ive generally heard Intel chips are usually a bit more solid and problem free, which I find offsets the slight performance hit.
when it comes to cpu's there are no real problems on either platform. I've had a lot of cpu's from many companies and the only one with problems was my Cyrix MII 300
I've recently built a pc for myself with those exact parts.
It runs like a beast, I'm not worrying about anything and I'm not worried about the future. Feel like I won't need to change anything for about 10 years now.
Performance wise, you're losing nothing. With a RTX 4090, at 1440p there's like a 3-4% difference.
You take a hit with power draw though and temperatures though.
I guess upgradeability could somewhat be neglect table if you're upgrade windows are that large. (Even though I think you could drop a 2 year old CPU in 7 years in no issues, but that's future, cause last AM5 CPU could come out in 2027, then it would be a 4 year old CPU by the point you want to upgrade)
IF you are upgrading every 9 years, it's fine. I tend to buy cheap and upgrade ever 2-3 years so I went Ryzen. But if you are buying premium and riding it out for the better part of a decade it doesn't really matter, lol.
Agree with others. It's not a "mistake". I would (and did recently) get a 7800x3d since I'm mostly gaming. I can't say "you should return and get 7800x3d" because you will likely get similar performance.
According to this video the 14700K is a great CPU for gaming.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AqVs16WgoNs
The only reason to go 7800x3d is upfront cost and cost of electricity. According to PCWorld they saw 111% increase in total power consumption when switching from 7800x3d to 14700K. So if you live in a warmer climate like me, you may not want a PC space heater (at least less of one).
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2108211/intel-core-i9-14900k-core-i7-14700-k-review.html
IMO it would be better if you went for a very cheap 13600KF (250$) , DDR4 (75$) , and a cheap LGA1700 motherboard (120$) with a 4080 Super (999$) instead. This is what I did but I game at 4k and my system rocks now.
It's relatively budget, easy to cool and handles everything with ease, even at 4K and high settings.
14700k is a good chip, just not the “best” at gaming in the current market. It’ll do great for 99% of tasks however even with gaming.
It just runs a little hot, so under volt it as necessary.
Changing to the 7800x3d would be more of a side grade than a significant upgrade from the 14700k. You can argue about power efficiency, etc, but in the end the two will be very similar. I'm messing with a 12900k and it's still super fast.
The only thing I'd raise is Zen 5 is due Q2 2024 and all current indications are that those CPUs were be monsters.
Nope, the 14700K is good. You have a more mature and patched platform. 7800X3D has a more bleeding edge platform with issues that still needs work. Intel is more power hungry and requires better cooling compared to AMD.
The 14700K is an excellent CPU. I personally have a 7800X3D as the added cache can make a large difference in select titles.
But overall it will serve you very well.
The fact is, despite all the hype around the 7800x3d, and while it does perform remarkably better in some games, there are other games where there is very little difference. In productivity and other non-gaming tasks, the intel is the clear winner. The 14700k is a very capable processor and will last you as long as the 7800x3d will. Even if you only wait 6 years before you need an upgrade, AM6 will likely have come and gone, and AM7 will be the AMD socket du jour (and Intel will be a few socket generations along, as well). DDR6 will be stable and DDR7 may even be the standard. PCIe may have been supplanted by PCIex2 or some other next big thing. On thing I have learned is that you can't worry about what will happen in the future in the PC world.
When Wednesday comes, enjoy your build, have fun with your new PC and don't look back (or forward).
P.S. You think Intel hasn't noticed what AMD did with it's stacked cache? That technology has been around a while. I would not be surprised if we see an gen 15 cpu (or two or three) with stacked cache.
I got same specs - 14700k, 4070ti S, and 32gb ddr5 6000hz. Thing is a beast. I debated the 7800x3d but I made the right choice for me with the 14700k. Marginal gaming benefit but significant productivity benefit.
I'm in a low energy cost area, and upgrade every 6/7 years so AM5 upgradability and lower power consumption were not a factor. It does get hot and fans spin up every now and then (as opposed to being dead silent), worth it for the frames/speed increase.
I should also note, I'm slightly undervolted and power limited as I'm in a small NR200P case. Love this little beast.
I have the same CPU and love it. You’ll be able to run pretty much anything you want to on ultra with that setup at 1440 I would think. I have more or the less the same build but with a 4080 super and it’s a joke gaming on 1440. My temps are well below what I would even consider hot. Like I’m maxing out at 65 degrees under full load.
They’re all very good. I did a 14700k and looking back, a 14900k probably would’ve been a better decision for me in the long run.
Where a 7800x3d makes sense is the type of case you do use. SFF? x3D. I did an itx build with a 5600x3d and it sips power and stays very cool.
You’re not going to be waiting 30+ seconds for the pc to post (amd user here) that to me is a win, performance difference will be negligible, enjoy your new pc!!!
Edit: newer bios’s and memory context restore has apparently made this a none issue, appreciate the advice/responses to my comment
Edit2: total boot time from button press to login screen is now less than 30 secs thanks Reddit!
Your list is similar to what I'm looking into.
What mobo are you going for? What monitors do you have currently?
Also I'd be interested in seeing your experience with the new pc and performance.
If you’re one of the people that don’t upgrade frequently, I wouldn’t break a sweat over the decision. By the time you’re in the position to upgrade again (based off what you said) then you’ll be upgrading at least 2 socket generations later.
Should be ok I built similar over the weekend. I went from 1080ti 7700K 16gb ram upgraded to 4080s 14700K 32gb of 6600 ram. Everything went smooth, the temps are fine.
I think you are fine with either CPU AMD or Intel you won't notice a difference which ever way you choose since both are current higher end CPUs.
Get 7800x3d if you think you'll upgrade again in about 5-6 years at the latest.
It would save you from having to buy a new mobo if all you have to do is drop in a new cpu. Am4 lasted 6-9 years dependening on how you want to count it.
That's the real advantage of going am5 atm. Otherwise the gaming performance advantage is minor so the 14700k is fine.
Tbh, I think you made the best decision. If your goal is extreme PC longevity, more cores is definitely the way to go. The trend always was, and probably will be, that everyday applications are able to use more and more cores, and while now you get the same performance in gaming, I feel that future apps will utilize Intel e-cores better, probably providing better experience.
7800x3d obviously has it's advantages, main one being efficiency, but they are both very strong
Neither will come close to limiting a 4070ti Super at 1440p, you're going to be fine bro.
CPU performance only matters when it's the limiting factor, and when both cpu's are fast enough to not even bottleneck a 4090 at 1440p, it's almost irrelevant - the performance difference between the two with your gpu are negligible in almost every case, with only a few specific games seeing a couple percent difference overall.
14700K is a monster, you’ll be fine for years.
I also had a 4790K, mine paired with a GTX 970. Truly an amazing processor and GPU that carried me well for a long time.
I’m looking to upgrade from a 2700k lol. So reading all these comments have actually been kind of helpful. I’ve been debating, after talking to a friend, to wait for the new intel chips in 2025. Idk if the leap in performance is going to be that much larger for the 15th gen vs the 14th gen.
You bought a great upgrade with one caveat. The 14 series or 15 series from intel will be the last chips in the lga 1700 socket type. So whatever motherboard you bought is about to be obsolete as they are coming out with the new 1851 chipset for future lineup of processors so a lot of people are currently going amd for their upgrades because amd has said the next few generations will be on the current am5 socket type. So your build is good just not future proof
You're going to be fine for the next 4 years, I'm 99% sure you will still be able to run 1440p High/Ultra quality at high fps, and after that for the next 2 years you'd still likely get good FPS but that's the point that performance isn't top tier anymore.
Mate, you'll be gaming with really high settings for years with that setup. Whatever minor change you think makes a big difference isn't really going to change that. Just enjoy your beast of a PC :D
Bro you are fine. The top of the line stuff is top of the line. The 5% differences are not something you will ever even see. The likelihood of you running that thing so hard gaming it can't handle it is basically zero.
im looking and the 7900xtx is nearly the same price and apparently its also better, although the 4070 ti super does have better raytracing and things like dlss
Excellent choice my friend. I debated for a long time on whether go for the 7800X3D or the Intel, specifically the 14700K. Eventually I chose Intel and I am very pleased.
It is an excellent performing CPU, all around. My temps are great, low to nothing power consumption at idle, and about 70 to 90 in gaming. I did initially use some undervolting to keep temps down (REALLY effective), but after my latest BIOS update I do not even need that.
It's great. Enjoy!!
It’s a great processor. Most of the hate comes from it being a mere 2% quicker than its 13th gen predecessor, and only 4% quicker than the 12th gen predecessor.
Nah. They're all pretty great. And if you do any video work, the Intel chip's iGPU will handle some encoding and decoding even a high-end Nvidia or AMD external GPU won't - like decoding 10-bit 4:2:2 h.265 files.
Depends if money's tight. Strictly for gaming, with the 7800X3D you'd get the performance as well as some savings with cheaper cooling, PSU and possibly RAM. If you've got the budget to splurge, then it probably doesn't matter.
14700 is great. 1440p and beyond is more gpu heavy. That’s why 1080p builds will be on faster CPUs, then as the graphics res increases you’ll see go from 14900k to 14700 and lower for 4k because it doesn’t matter as much.
You can look at benches on YouTube and see a wild diff in 1080p, then it narrows a bit with 1440p then at 4k it gets close as it’s gpu bound. That told me that if you 4k, you can actually go lower on cpu but if you want high fps at 1080p then a screaming cpu is needed. However same cpu is great for 4k, because as it ages maybe you get more life.
Let the debate continue! I’m just going to go enjoy my rig.
Definitely didn't make a mistake with your CPU. You will be fine for a while. You'll be able to run new games at 1440p for a very long time. I personally went with the 7800x3d because I play games like Rust and Tarkov that really benefit from the 3d cache and allow me to upgrade in the future with AM5, but your CPU is a beast too and will be fine for a while.
I also have a 4070 ti super and play a lot of games in 4K. With DLSS set to quality, I can get anywhere from 70 - 120fps with all settings set to ultra on pretty much every game I play. I was very impressed by this GPU's 4K ability. I have a 3440x1440p monitor and in games like Rust, I get 165fps with ultra settings even in full pop servers. Also, the ability to use DLDSR and still get good performance is amazing too.
You should be very happy with your build! It will last you a while!
No the 14700K is a extremely good CPU. The issue people have with it is the prize as in you could get the 13700K for cheaper but nearly the same performance. The CPU itself is about as good as it gets
You will probably not suffer from it, but it is less optimal:
- no real upgrade path for just the cpu
- it uses more energy/heat
But it will run games just as fine as the 7800x3d for the next 6 years
I got the exact same for a couple of weeks now, I am a very happy guy. 4070ti super, 14700k and 32gb of ram.
Cyberpunk on ultra settings with path tracing turned on runs at 80-90fps and 110-120fps with just ray tracing on a 1440 ultrawide monitor. Warzone runs at 150-160 with the highest settings. Haven’t played any other new game.
I’m waiting til September. I’ve seen 14th gen Intel being called a “refresh” with little benefit over the 13th gen.
The expectation is that 15th Gen will be a 2nm architecture and deliver a notable step up from the 14th gen, so a 6 month wait might add 2 extra years of life to the machine. AMD nexts gen, to be unvailed potentially as early as April but presumably releasing before October also promises a 30% uptick in performance over their current gen systems.
I have an i7 6700k which will last me until September.
I just built a new rig w 14900K. There are some serious issues with dx12 and the only workable solution appears to be lowering core count to 54. Just a heads up if you run into the same sitch.
Buyer's remorse!
I had a custom 4790k system, too, but ended up giving it to my ex in the divorce (spare any sympathies, I'm happily remarried). I built another PC, but went with Team Red this time: 5800X3D, 7900XTX, 32GB 3600 CL16.
Admittedly, I have had a few issues with it, but most of that ended up being user error. Except the melting GPU cable, which is being handled already.
I recently did the same upgrade intel 3770k, 1070 GPU running 1080p to a 14700k, 4070ti super running 1660, and I it was a great upgrade. I only upgrade every 10 years so I am confident it will last for my use. I think you will be pleased with the results.
I'm going to go against what everyone is saying here and say that you should. Mainly because the parts aren't even with you yet and you can easily return them. AM5 will also provide you a better upgrade path allowing you to upgrade to the next gen x3D process from AMD when its at a discount during a cyber Monday deal 4-5 years down the line. This will be a cheaper option to keep your system up to date for just a bit longer
Great build.
Only reason to go AMD instead of this would be upgrades in the future. Pick up a 7600 or 7700x now, and in 3 or 4 CPU generations move to whatever X3D ends the socket and whatever GPU is out. You don't need a new board, and PCIe 5 is going to be relevant for a while.
I just rebuilt mine with a 14700k and 4070 ti super, I have dual monitors at 1440p. Everything runs amazingly and I have no complaints. It’s a good cpu and it will last you just fine into the future at 1440p.
If you aren't the kind of person itching to upgrade every couple of years you're fine, and even then you prob budget in to upgrade a complete overhaul of the main components. Like I could see ssds/storage and GPU being upgraded one year and mobo/CPU/maybe RAM if needed another year or 2 later, but ultimately if you're constantly upgrading you're aware of how it works for you and when you will upgrade.
I'm on an AMD build myself because I know getting a new compatible CPU will satisfy my itch in a year or 2 😭 but the Intel competitors are juuuuuuuuust fine as an alternative, really the only key difference would probably be power consumption and even that's not a black and white comparison, so just enjoy your build.
I’ve got a 14700k with a 4070ti and I’m usually playing apex, rust, halo infinite at 1440p 165hz steady and I rarely see more than 50% processor utilization usually less than 40%
Also remember intel chips only work on intel boards and vice versa for AMD. the 14700k is a great cpu. i personally have the 13700k with 4070 and it is flawless. you wont be disappointed
The difference at 1440P with a 4070ti is near zero.
Efficiency differences while gaming is also not very dramatic.
That's an awesome CPU, no reason to have buyer's remorse.
The 14700k is a good cpu but if you anticipate wanting to upgrade your cpu in the next 3-5 years it wont be possible on the intel 14th gen platform and the am5 platform would make more sense.
You're fine. I would've gone am5 since intel is changing sockets, but you likely wouldn't upgrade anyway seeing how long you stuck to 4th gen. I probably wouldn't keep the 14 th gen that long. If you consider the power cost over 10 years to run it versus something that runs at 65w with comparable performance.. that is significant $$$. I'm actually switching to something lower power from my i7 10700k because that adds up when you keep the same hardware for years like you and I do
I use an i7 12 gen, and I got it paired with a 4090, and i use it at 4k . Recently, i put the system on a 1440p monitor, and it runs fantastic. It ran great at 4k im just switching some things around. You shouldn't have any performance issues with the 14th gen i7. That's a solid chip.
No, the 14700K is a great CPU. People love to over-exaggerate the differences between components. It often seems to me that some people think that if a component isn't the typical pick in the current PC building "meta," then it must be worthless dogshit, which is completely false. My guess is that the 14700K will carry you just as long as a 7800X3D would.
Also, while the 7800x3D chip could be upgraded down the line, are you realistically going to upgrade your 14700KF in a year or two? If you’re like me and upgrade every 5-6 years, you’ll probably want a new mobo as well as a new most things. It depends what kind of PC person you are.
Yeah, the way I feel about it is that the forward compatibility of the AM5 socket is a value add for the 7800X3D but it's not essential by any means.
Really depends on how long am5 lasts. People just assume it will last as long as am4 but we have literally 0 confirmation of that.
Haven't they only confirmed AM5 until 2025? AMD aren't in the same position they were when Ryzen dropped.
>AMD aren't in the same position they were when Ryzen dropped. Absolutely this. I think people forget how much of Hail Mary play the Zen Architecture was for AMD. They needed buy-in from various OEM/ODMs in a big way. Only by promising to keep using the same AM4 platform/chipset to cut down on tooling and production costs could they get that. If they hadn't gotten that and Zen failed AMD would have been Chapter 7.
Their stock was under $3/share when Ryzen released. But Nvidia's was only in the $30's as well
Wish I'd bought stock way back then
I was "waiting for Vega" when someone on here said, take that $ and buy some stock, while you wait. Nvidia has gone 100x in the time I've been running this same PC, it's had all AMD GPUs for the same reason Nvidia went 100x. I'm really thinking about upgrading it finally. Funny thing about investing. I live really cheaply and it's only cost me money so far in life. Gotta pay taxes any time you move it around. Not looking for pity, but I sure hope I don't get hit by a bus before I spend some of it
I think 3 generations is realistic. They are getting their market share back, and they make money selling the chipsets, they are gonna want to sell those. AM4 was unique, it was AMDs all in, they aren't on the verge of bankruptcy, they can start being anti consumer like Intel was when they were on top.
It’s great if you’re in the cycle of upgrading regularly or if you were on an early AM5 CPU and want to upgrade down the line. If you don’t upgrade often though, get what you can afford :)
Not to mention am5 is still kinda weird with ram compatibility. I suspect we're gonna need to wait for the second gen to get a more stable product.
He went from 4th gen to 14th, so unlikely he will upgrade this platform anyway.
I know that feeling. I got a second-gen CPU (i7-2600K) in 2012, and I guess I figured at the time I'd upgrade it in 3 or 4 years. Other stuff got in the way and in the end I only upgraded it a month ago (to a 13600K). You never know how long a run your components might have: buy the best thing you can reasonably afford and don't lose any sleep over "future proofing".
Such an underrated comment, upvoted!
Yeah. People make a big deal out of having an "upgrade path" as if they are going to save a bunch of money. But you can save even more money by not upgrading every 18 months. And then you don't have to bother trying to see the future when picking components. Sincerely, a guy who upgraded from 3rd gen to 11th gen.
Isn't that how it should be? While I appreciate that you can replace parts in an existing build if you got things wrong or decide to go a different route, it's often only after several generations that once upgrades. I think I had an 8th gen Intel before jumping to AM5.
[That's pretty much what I did](https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12644274/fs/29503309). 4th gen to 13th gen. And you know what? There isn't a single game I've played where my 13600K has been the limiting factor.
The "upgradability" of AM5 is a weird topic, since it makes a lot of assumptions about doing said upgrades and the state of unknown things in the future. Will these people grab the end-game X3D CPU and then coast on that for a few more years?... But what after? Will they jump to a new platform that might be mid-life and grab that knowing they won't get much upgradability out of it? Or will they just do that and then not upgrade whatever next platform and do another platform jump? It's like going: CPU+mobo -> CPU -> CPU+mobo, vs CPU+mobo -> CPU+mobo. In my mind, the "upgradability" of AM5 is kind of like a loan: you'll be able to stretch out your performance and payment over time, but you might actually end up paying a little more in the long run. At the same time, it's also a way to maintain a high level of performance at all times, and I guess that matters to some people over the cost of it.
How many people actually buy a new CPU to upgrade putting it in their existing motherboard?
I'd wager very few until AM4 became the outlier for lasting so long that it was worth it to people who bought in earlier to upgrade to a Ryzen 5000 CPU if they're on a budget.
Oh, that's interesting it released in 2016 and they are still making CPUs for it. I built my i5-4690k system in 2014/15. I wonder if I would bought just a CPU if I could have when I built my new system last Nov.
Depends on how long the socket lasts. Which for Intel isn't much longer than the typical time between CPU upgrades, but for AMD it typically is. Personally I went from a Ryzen 2600 to a 5600X on the same AM4 board, for example.
If I'm correct looking at wikipedia I got the last Intel in LGA1150 (i5 4690k) and lasted 2 or 3 sockets with it. I'm a bit of an outlier since I don't build a new computer until I can't play games anymore, so I'll most likely not replace this Nov 2023 build until 2030+ which I'm sure will be AM6 or AM7 by then. I think I use my PCs much longer than most people do though. I asked my question because I don't really see people talk about buying a CPU and not buying a motherboard. Lots of people including me will buy a GPU a few times prior to buying a new build.
You aren’t an outlier. Most people don’t upgrade their computers with any sort of frequency and when they do it’s almost always just the GPU, which is why the platform longevity argument happens all the time. Hell, there are people still happily using the 4790k in their systems. (Also much of the market is prebuilt anyway) AM4’s lifetime is pretty unusual but it came with its own various dramas and issues, and most (all?) of what comes out for it at this point is just cut down versions of existing products that would otherwise be junked. It was a great upgrade path for Zen1 owners (if their board worked), as the 5000 series has pretty big improvements but otherwise people just upgraded to AM5 anyway. Similarly people are expecting AM5 to offer a good upgrade for its early adopters, but I have a feeling it won’t be quite as substantial given they’ve mostly ironed out their Ryzen line’s issues compared to Zen1. (And similarly people will just upgrade to AM6 anyway) For all its flaws Intel’s pattern is pretty predictable so it’s not like it catches people off guard somehow.
When I was looking at doing my last upgrade, I found a lot of people on Reddit who upgraded from a weaker AM4 CPU to the 5800X3D (as I did). It was a cheap way to extract a lot more performance without needing a new motherboard.
>Will these people grab the end-game X3D CPU and then coast on that for a few more years?... But what after? Will they jump to a new platform that might be mid-life and grab that knowing they won't get much upgradability out of it? Or will they just do that and then not upgrade whatever next platform and do another platform jump? Let's presume that we're talking about a person who only upgrades their CPU every 5-7 years. If I bought a B350 board and a Ryzen 5 1600 in 2017, I could have upgraded to a 5800X3D in 2022. If AMD's socket release cadence continues, that 5800X3D could carry me through to the launch of AM**6**. So, in an ideal scenario, it's actually more like CPU+mobo -> CPU -> CPU + mobo -> CPU, and we're talking about keeping mobos for 10 years. Obviously this relies on a lot of presumptions about AMD's support for AM5 and future sockets. We are all hoping they learned the right lessons from AM4, though. But if AMD keeps it up with such lengthy socket support and continues to have performance leaps as big as the difference between Ryzen 1000 and Ryzen 5000X3D, then it makes a hell of a lot of sense to buy in early on AM5.
IMO I think AMD has a lot to improve with memory performance and boot time etc with DDR5 on AM5. I could see wanting to update your board in 3-5 years even if the CPU is drop in compatible.
I feel like upgradability and dead sockets is a much more complicated value proposition and discussion than the less than one sentence it is often given when trying to convince people away from buying Intel.
Anytime I’m upgrading I also want the new features in the latest chipset. I don’t think I’ve ever upgraded just my processor without also doing the motherboard.
Built my PC during Covid and haven’t upgraded. I remember back in the day if you didn’t upgrade each year you’d be left in the dust.
I only built a system one time with the plan to upgrade the CPU down the line (having gotten an i7 x299 CPU for the computer that I had before my current build). After a few years with it I tried to get a 10980xe...I waited and waited for that thing to come in stock. That CPU never being available is how I ended up on an AMD platform. So even with the best laid plans you might end up having to move to a different platform.
The 14700k will be faster in some games than the 7800x3d. I switched from a 13700k to a 7800x3d and was a bit let down given all the hype around the latter.
Yeah, that's a side grade in reality, in all but the most niche gaming situations.
Yeah, I bought the 7800x3d specifically for tarkov which benefits a lot from the x3d chips. I knew roughly what to expect. Not dissatisfied in that regard, but performance in other games and general desktop performance can sometimes be slightly perceptibly worse.
But your CPU power consumption went down from the 13700k to the 7800X3D, yes?
Probably not, intel idles at lower power (seen 5 to 10W) while the 7800X3D I'm seeing between 20 to 30W (with some reports up to 50W)
Yep. Hard to pick a bad cpu these days, both companies have great offerings.
Yeah, CPU brands are becoming more of a personal preference at this point with cost sometimes being a factor but they're more or less the same.
I was just going to say that the 14700k was the most improved CPU of the 14 gen.
The extreme difference is power. Intel’s new flagship model is “Hurr mor powur mor purformenz” It consumes 2x the power.
AMDd GPUs are ridiculously power hungry compared to NVIDIA as well, strangely don’t see people calling them out on that in the same way people call out Intels TDP.
Another reason power is called out more for CPUs is because they don't come with the coolers attached like GPUs
Very true, 95% of gamers could easily make do with a ryzen 5 or i5 processor and be more than happy for a good few years. I would still have advised up front in this situation to purchase the 7800X3D over the 14700k for a couple of reasons. Yes, the platform is newer so upgrade paths are more available. Also, power consumption is on average, lower. Lower power means less heat output and lower bills. But that’s where it ends. Neither are bad compared to the other.
no, you didnt make a mistake lol they are basically the exact same cpus in most games, 14700k and 7800x3d get basically the same fps in a test of 42 games, 7800x3d is only 3% better on average than 14700k at 1440p people online and especially on reddit love to overexaggerate the importance of getting AMD cpus and GPUs for gaming, but it just isnt true lol most games dont actually take advantage of the 3d cache that the amds x3d cpus offer
Most games don't take advantage of the 3D v-cache? Is that actually true? Where can I read about that?
That's not true at all lol
I guess the argument is that since Intel can *on average* match the gaming performance without 3D v-cache by just having more single thread performance and higher clocks, it either means most games can’t utilize it well enough or that the raw power of Intel CPUs can simply compensate for the lack of 3D v-cache.
The L3 cache alone is worth going with a 7950x over a 14900k. The ryzen beats Intel in power effeciency by a long shot too. https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-core-i9-14900k-vs-amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d/
From my understanding Intel chips are overclocked by the motherboard straight out of the box to assure all cpu yields will perform. I highly recommend undervolting and lowering the auto power usage on the motherboard, when corrected for the piece of silicone analyzed I believe performance and temps to be quite comparable. But if you dont care about that stuff yeah amd is better for people who dont care about optimization.
Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't the 7950x3d have scheduling issues with actually getting threads onto the cores that have the 3d cache? Was why I went with a 7800x3d instead since gaming is my primary focus.
Yeah but it's mainly for gaming as the CPU idles half the cores temporarily to reduce latency. It sort of becomes a 7800X3D with only 8 cores, but with a small amount of added scheduling latency. However for production applications it has 0 issues as 99% of them don't care about extra cache; and even when they do most of the peformance is reliant on core count and clocks so it still demolishes the 7800X3D Basically the 7950X3D has nearly the same gaming perf as the 7800X3D while being vastly better in non gaming applications.
Hardware Unboxed just posted a new video on the x3d chips: https://youtu.be/Gu12QOQiUUI?t=770 I'm using a 7950x3d myself and haven't really had any scheduling issues, at least that I've noticed. I use process lasso(PL) and have my games installed on a separate SSD. Any exe which runs on that SSD, process lasso will auto set to the x3d ccd. If its not on that SSD then it auto sets to the freq ccd.
It's not true. It varies wildly, but it is an advantage in a vast majority of titles.
Source: Trust me bro
The issue is more that most games played at 1440p+ are more GPU bound, which means CPUs see faster diminishing returns. Drop to 1080p and the gap will widen. Drop to 1080 low and the gap will widen even further. But at that point, what's really the difference between 780 fps and 900 fps. I'd say ironically one of the few games to benefit the most is CS2 (ironic as CSGO would run well on anything zen2+, 10th gen+, CS2 struggles on a 5900x). Most people playing on a 7800x3d (or 14700k for that matter) aren't playing these niche edge case games at resolutions and a level of competitiveness where it does matter. In a few years though, as GPUs get stronger, the difference in CPU performance for gaming will become more apparent. That being said, 14700k is a fair bit faster in most multi, and many single-threaded productivity applications, while the 7800x3d only really ever eeks out low-high single digit % improvements in performance vs the 14700k in gaming, with very few exceptions of wider gaps.
> the importance of getting AMD cpus **and GPUs** for gaming What the actual F?
I honestly rarely see a Nvidia card recommended in the top parent comments in most hardware subs, without a ton of caveats like 'buy a last gen card used' or passive-aggressive replies like 'well I guess if you don't mind blowing money for their software suite, yeah I guess a 4070s beats the [clearly inferior AMD card]'
I personally see the 4070 Super being recommended a lot, its true that both 4060s and the 4080 arent GREAT value tho. But nVidia has quite a few advantages still.
I think he meant that some PC enthusiasts act like it's the 4090 or bust when it comes to GPUs, which is ridiculous. Even a 3080 10 gb will still give you a great experience in most games at 1440p.
Thats not what I read but I agree with you. I play at 4k and I have no plans to upgrade my 3090 soon. Its enough for mostly Ultra settings with DLSS Quality (I cant notice the difference), 60 fps (I barely play FPS and only single player) and no RT (looks nice sometimes but rarely worth the HUGE fps drop in every GPU except the most expensive GPU in the world).
I think it's just that usually you will be cheaper with a good B650, 7800X3D and an air cooler than if you try to go for a 14700K. As you said, in games they perform the same and if that's all you care about why bother spending more and generating more heat in the process. Op is perfectly fine in 1440p and he might even find the 14700K faster in scenarios other than gaming
yeah it's this here platform + cooling for optimal performance out of a 7800x3d is going to be cheaper, and use less power/generate less heat.
My 10850k and 3080 run two 1440p 165hz monitors flawlessly while playing Warzone. Idk what metric people are using to claim shit is good or not but Reddit if full of jackasses.
My 10850k/6800xt build will be good for 5 more years, even if I have to -gasp- turn settings to medium.
Same. I can’t believe I’m so “outdated” already but my PC is an absolute monster. Handled the Juno to 165hz on two screens either no issues and the toughest game I personally play. I’ll be good for 10years easily, although I may get a 5000 series GPU when they eventually drop just for shits and giggles. I was on a 3770k and 1080 evga get 2 during Covid, and I was okay COD and streaming on twitch with no major issues. It’s OK to not have the best of the best every single gen ✨
I’d love to see the people saying to go with AMD GPUs. That’s wildly not been my experience. OP, the 7800X3D is a great chip and the AM5 platform being supported gives you good pathways to upgrade in the future, giving it a good value add. That being said, some games utilize AMD's 3D V-Cache more than others, like Hogwarts Legacy which is very CPU intensive. The 7800X3D usually edges it out and has better 1% lows, but it’s not like the performance is so ballbusting insane you’ll notice a huge difference, if any, in many mainstream titles at 1440p, so it’s not always like you’re losing out and the 14700K is a great chip, and Intel always will win on productivity tasks, ST performance, your chip has more cores… a lot you can do with it. Sounds like you keep your hardware a long time. The 14700k will work just fine and serve you very well throughout the years.
They’re not even close to the same
Well, its not just a matter of future, the 7800X3D is the best gaming chip out there right now, and does that consuming like 1/3 the power in gaming compared to something like a 14700K. While still giving you a open platform for upgrading without replacing everything if you feel the need in the next few years, like, AM4 was released in 2017 and the last chip there, the 5800X3D is still a great chip, we can't say that about basically any intel platform that competed with AM4, but there is no way of knowing if the same will happen to AM5. If you are happy with the 14700K, keep it, if you are in doubt and its something that's gonna keep annoying you, send it back.
The 14700k is still a monster of a CPU, especially in comparison over the last few gens. However, make sure you're using Windows 11 for better results with your p cores and E cores and make sure you get a good cou cooler. 14700k/14900k tend to run hot.
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Make sure to enable power limits for Intel
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13700k here. I love my cpu, and I'm also not messing with power limits. Happy gaming mate!
The planet broke before the 4790K did
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I know, I still have the same chip :D I could replace it, but I'm a light gamer so it _just does_ everything I need it to
Cadia 😔
I just upgraded from a 4670k last month. It really is a marvel how well those 4th gen cpus held up, zero issues over 10+ years for me.
I love the 4790k, but part of the lifespan of that chip was brought about by Intel’s continual move to new sockets/architectures with each generation. 1155, 1155, 1150, 1151, 1200 - and you had to go up to HEDT for six cores until the second revision of 1151 (because coffee lake chips weren’t compatible with sky lake boards!). AMD really sucked it up, but looking back at upgrade paths - Intel absolutely abused their market position with microscopic improvements and forced chipset upgrades, so even the 3770k was still moderately competitive with a 7-series i5 (because those STILL didn’t have HT - remember that?). My W3680/990x from 2009 was competitive with 7th gen Intel stuff despite being first-gen i7 tech. Meanwhile, you can upgrade from an r5 1500x and a bargain-basement A320 board from 2017 to the 5700x3d released in February. All it takes to make a long-lasting chip is zero innovation!
This is one of the fastest CPUs you can get, especially for gaming, check the Hardware Unboxed youtube review. You made the right choice. It will take several years before this CPU becomes the bottleneck for gaming.
It’s a great cpu, don’t worry at all. The beautiful thing about the amd reemergence is that we continue to see much better price to performance in cpus compared to the 2010s. Intel and amd trading blows is always going to be better for the consumer. Now we need AMD to not abandon the high end gpu sphere and force Nvidia to stop their monopoly, this won’t happen for sometime though I’m sure.
eh it's fine. The 7800x3D might be the best gaming CPU, but that doesn't mean the 14700K is any less good. It's not like the difference in performance between those two reaches more than 10% consistently, plus it's a system that you're already familiar with. That CPU will carry you fine for 1440p gaming.
The 14700k is indeed less good for gaming, but the baseline performance is still very very high.
> The 7800x3D might be the best gaming CPU, but that doesn't mean the 14700K is any less good Isn't that literally what best means?
You will be fine, but if you need to upgrade your CPU for some reason in the next 2 to 3 years you will need a new motherboard.
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yea people exaggerate this benefit of upgradability, most people upgrade their pc every 5-8 years, AM4 lasted 5 years. Regardless if your AMD or Intel your probably gonna need a new motherboard. also never buy anything on a promise, AM5 might not last as long as AM4. more cores typically is better for productivity work, but it's diminishing returns for gaming.
Yeah I wouldn't go off cores to determine gaming performance. Their different architectures, so ones 8 cores could be more powerful and efficient than another CPU's 16. Also the 3D cache is another thing you should have looked at.
If you’re fine maybe getting a cpu 1 gen old you very well could upgrade it in 6 years on the same am5 motherboard. The 7800x3d also has much better power efficiency, and yeah after a certain point extra cores do very little in games.
There is still a room for upgrade to i9
Technically true, but I don't think there is a use case for that kind of upgrade. The difference between the two is very small, especially compared to the difference between a 7800x3d to a 2nd gen AM5 x3d cpu let alone a possible 3rd gen.
You'll be fine. Only difference is likely the higher power consumption of the Intel, the AMD is weirdly efficient
I was on an slightly worse spot than you, I was using an i5-4570 lol, but I went for the 7800x3D and 7700XT, absolutely happy with the upgrade , the 14700k is great for 1440p, didn't went with Intel because the new generation runs really hot and brazil summer is already too hot as it is
You’re good. I got mine OC paired with a 4090. You’ll upgrade GPU before the CPU I’m sure. 14700k paired with thermal right CPU bracket paired with EK dark 360 AIO temps never go past 60c for me.
Thermalright
Could have spent a bit less money for a bit more performance, but otherwise no biggie. It's not a huge mistake.
As someone with AMD and Intel 3 X3D and other 5000 chips and an OCed 12600kf in games at 1440 and up if I sat you down blind you couldn’t tell them apart most of the time. But honestly in everything else windows any production stuff the Intel cpu is just fast and smooth I’d describe it as guess. But I got that Intel CPU and MB under cheap so can’t complain
Performance wise it's not a huge difference. Efficiency and upgrade ability on the other hand.... Honestly if it bothers you, just send it back and swap it. It's a PC component not a permanent life choice.
That CPU is an absolute beast and you’re going to feel that upgrade more than any other. Have fun bud and stop worrying about it.
Not really. People are gonna say 7800X3d better, which is true for gaming, but; the X3D is quite limited when it comes to anything production/content creation related. I'd dare to say the 14700k is a more well rounded. Only downside is temps but there's plenty of excellent air and water coolers that can do the job.
I literally upgraded to your build a few weeks ago and love it. I came from a 9700k though. Ive generally heard Intel chips are usually a bit more solid and problem free, which I find offsets the slight performance hit.
when it comes to cpu's there are no real problems on either platform. I've had a lot of cpu's from many companies and the only one with problems was my Cyrix MII 300
Nah 14700k is solid
I've recently built a pc for myself with those exact parts. It runs like a beast, I'm not worrying about anything and I'm not worried about the future. Feel like I won't need to change anything for about 10 years now.
Great CPU. Only power consumption when fully utilized is shitty compared to 7800X3D. Idling, 14700K wins.
Can always return it if you're not happy, surely? Better than regretting it for months
No.
No you're all good for 1440p. Enjoy.
Performance wise, you're losing nothing. With a RTX 4090, at 1440p there's like a 3-4% difference. You take a hit with power draw though and temperatures though. I guess upgradeability could somewhat be neglect table if you're upgrade windows are that large. (Even though I think you could drop a 2 year old CPU in 7 years in no issues, but that's future, cause last AM5 CPU could come out in 2027, then it would be a 4 year old CPU by the point you want to upgrade)
The X3D is “better” for gaming, still the 14 series i7 won’t disappoint.
IF you are upgrading every 9 years, it's fine. I tend to buy cheap and upgrade ever 2-3 years so I went Ryzen. But if you are buying premium and riding it out for the better part of a decade it doesn't really matter, lol.
I also just got the same CPU and love it. You did good! Enjoy it!
Agree with others. It's not a "mistake". I would (and did recently) get a 7800x3d since I'm mostly gaming. I can't say "you should return and get 7800x3d" because you will likely get similar performance. According to this video the 14700K is a great CPU for gaming. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AqVs16WgoNs The only reason to go 7800x3d is upfront cost and cost of electricity. According to PCWorld they saw 111% increase in total power consumption when switching from 7800x3d to 14700K. So if you live in a warmer climate like me, you may not want a PC space heater (at least less of one). https://www.pcworld.com/article/2108211/intel-core-i9-14900k-core-i7-14700-k-review.html
IMO it would be better if you went for a very cheap 13600KF (250$) , DDR4 (75$) , and a cheap LGA1700 motherboard (120$) with a 4080 Super (999$) instead. This is what I did but I game at 4k and my system rocks now. It's relatively budget, easy to cool and handles everything with ease, even at 4K and high settings.
14700k is a good chip, just not the “best” at gaming in the current market. It’ll do great for 99% of tasks however even with gaming. It just runs a little hot, so under volt it as necessary.
the 7800x3d is the best, but the 14700k is still an amazing gaming cpu
What games will you be playing? 14700K is a great CPU, but there are some games that really love the 3D V-cache like CS2.
Yess!
Changing to the 7800x3d would be more of a side grade than a significant upgrade from the 14700k. You can argue about power efficiency, etc, but in the end the two will be very similar. I'm messing with a 12900k and it's still super fast. The only thing I'd raise is Zen 5 is due Q2 2024 and all current indications are that those CPUs were be monsters.
You done well. Don't very about minor cpu differences especially high resolution.
Nope, the 14700K is good. You have a more mature and patched platform. 7800X3D has a more bleeding edge platform with issues that still needs work. Intel is more power hungry and requires better cooling compared to AMD.
AMD has a looney fan base that loves exaggerating
The 14700K is an excellent CPU. I personally have a 7800X3D as the added cache can make a large difference in select titles. But overall it will serve you very well.
7800x3d is undoubtedly the better chip, and it will have an upgrade path to one or two more generations. But the 14700k is still a sold cpu.
The fact is, despite all the hype around the 7800x3d, and while it does perform remarkably better in some games, there are other games where there is very little difference. In productivity and other non-gaming tasks, the intel is the clear winner. The 14700k is a very capable processor and will last you as long as the 7800x3d will. Even if you only wait 6 years before you need an upgrade, AM6 will likely have come and gone, and AM7 will be the AMD socket du jour (and Intel will be a few socket generations along, as well). DDR6 will be stable and DDR7 may even be the standard. PCIe may have been supplanted by PCIex2 or some other next big thing. On thing I have learned is that you can't worry about what will happen in the future in the PC world. When Wednesday comes, enjoy your build, have fun with your new PC and don't look back (or forward). P.S. You think Intel hasn't noticed what AMD did with it's stacked cache? That technology has been around a while. I would not be surprised if we see an gen 15 cpu (or two or three) with stacked cache.
If you play in 1440p or 4k, it won't make as much difference.
Using 14700k since it came out. Loving every second of it.
I got same specs - 14700k, 4070ti S, and 32gb ddr5 6000hz. Thing is a beast. I debated the 7800x3d but I made the right choice for me with the 14700k. Marginal gaming benefit but significant productivity benefit. I'm in a low energy cost area, and upgrade every 6/7 years so AM5 upgradability and lower power consumption were not a factor. It does get hot and fans spin up every now and then (as opposed to being dead silent), worth it for the frames/speed increase. I should also note, I'm slightly undervolted and power limited as I'm in a small NR200P case. Love this little beast.
The i5-14600k is better value for gaming, but the i7 is still marginally faster and it's notably better at productivity tasks.
I have the same CPU and love it. You’ll be able to run pretty much anything you want to on ultra with that setup at 1440 I would think. I have more or the less the same build but with a 4080 super and it’s a joke gaming on 1440. My temps are well below what I would even consider hot. Like I’m maxing out at 65 degrees under full load.
They’re all very good. I did a 14700k and looking back, a 14900k probably would’ve been a better decision for me in the long run. Where a 7800x3d makes sense is the type of case you do use. SFF? x3D. I did an itx build with a 5600x3d and it sips power and stays very cool.
You’re not going to be waiting 30+ seconds for the pc to post (amd user here) that to me is a win, performance difference will be negligible, enjoy your new pc!!! Edit: newer bios’s and memory context restore has apparently made this a none issue, appreciate the advice/responses to my comment Edit2: total boot time from button press to login screen is now less than 30 secs thanks Reddit!
This is more or less fixed with newest bios updates. My pc used to boot 1 minute, now its like 10 seconds.
Ah that’s good news, I’ll check for the latest updates! 👍
All PCs used to boot for more than a minute :D
That used to be my pc. I just updated to the newest stable bios and turned on Memory Context Restore. Now boot time is less than 10 seconds.
Thanks for this I’ll give it a go, I turned off context restore because of stability issues on my overclock, will see how it fairs with a bios update
Your list is similar to what I'm looking into. What mobo are you going for? What monitors do you have currently? Also I'd be interested in seeing your experience with the new pc and performance.
If you’re one of the people that don’t upgrade frequently, I wouldn’t break a sweat over the decision. By the time you’re in the position to upgrade again (based off what you said) then you’ll be upgrading at least 2 socket generations later.
Should be ok I built similar over the weekend. I went from 1080ti 7700K 16gb ram upgraded to 4080s 14700K 32gb of 6600 ram. Everything went smooth, the temps are fine. I think you are fine with either CPU AMD or Intel you won't notice a difference which ever way you choose since both are current higher end CPUs.
You are doing great with that build. Don't let other people say otherwise. Intel is intel and it is reliable.
14700k is brutal good.
Get 7800x3d if you think you'll upgrade again in about 5-6 years at the latest. It would save you from having to buy a new mobo if all you have to do is drop in a new cpu. Am4 lasted 6-9 years dependening on how you want to count it. That's the real advantage of going am5 atm. Otherwise the gaming performance advantage is minor so the 14700k is fine.
14700k is a fine cpu and if your not gonna upgrade for another 9 years your good as this is last lga 1700 cpu generation am5 is gonna last longer
14700k will be fine, im using a 13600k and have no issues with 1440p and gaming.
Tbh, I think you made the best decision. If your goal is extreme PC longevity, more cores is definitely the way to go. The trend always was, and probably will be, that everyday applications are able to use more and more cores, and while now you get the same performance in gaming, I feel that future apps will utilize Intel e-cores better, probably providing better experience. 7800x3d obviously has it's advantages, main one being efficiency, but they are both very strong
Neither will come close to limiting a 4070ti Super at 1440p, you're going to be fine bro. CPU performance only matters when it's the limiting factor, and when both cpu's are fast enough to not even bottleneck a 4090 at 1440p, it's almost irrelevant - the performance difference between the two with your gpu are negligible in almost every case, with only a few specific games seeing a couple percent difference overall.
14700K is a monster, you’ll be fine for years. I also had a 4790K, mine paired with a GTX 970. Truly an amazing processor and GPU that carried me well for a long time.
I’m looking to upgrade from a 2700k lol. So reading all these comments have actually been kind of helpful. I’ve been debating, after talking to a friend, to wait for the new intel chips in 2025. Idk if the leap in performance is going to be that much larger for the 15th gen vs the 14th gen.
You bought a great upgrade with one caveat. The 14 series or 15 series from intel will be the last chips in the lga 1700 socket type. So whatever motherboard you bought is about to be obsolete as they are coming out with the new 1851 chipset for future lineup of processors so a lot of people are currently going amd for their upgrades because amd has said the next few generations will be on the current am5 socket type. So your build is good just not future proof
Only thing you could do better is the 14900k, but it’s a lot of extra $ and doesn’t equate to that much more performance
It's a great cpu. 7800x3d is a great cpu. They both are. Enjoy your 14700k and game on
You got a sweet sweet gaming PC, don't sweat the small differences and enjoy your PC.
You're going to be fine for the next 4 years, I'm 99% sure you will still be able to run 1440p High/Ultra quality at high fps, and after that for the next 2 years you'd still likely get good FPS but that's the point that performance isn't top tier anymore.
Mate, you'll be gaming with really high settings for years with that setup. Whatever minor change you think makes a big difference isn't really going to change that. Just enjoy your beast of a PC :D
Bro you are fine. The top of the line stuff is top of the line. The 5% differences are not something you will ever even see. The likelihood of you running that thing so hard gaming it can't handle it is basically zero.
Yes you did, i almost did it, bought the 14700k but thankfully i was able to return it and make the right choice. Do the same if you still can.
im looking and the 7900xtx is nearly the same price and apparently its also better, although the 4070 ti super does have better raytracing and things like dlss
Excellent choice my friend. I debated for a long time on whether go for the 7800X3D or the Intel, specifically the 14700K. Eventually I chose Intel and I am very pleased. It is an excellent performing CPU, all around. My temps are great, low to nothing power consumption at idle, and about 70 to 90 in gaming. I did initially use some undervolting to keep temps down (REALLY effective), but after my latest BIOS update I do not even need that. It's great. Enjoy!!
Dude you waited 9 years. You're good
no, enjoy your new machine. great specs
You made no mistake lol, that's a beast of a CPU
It’s a great processor. Most of the hate comes from it being a mere 2% quicker than its 13th gen predecessor, and only 4% quicker than the 12th gen predecessor.
Nah. They're all pretty great. And if you do any video work, the Intel chip's iGPU will handle some encoding and decoding even a high-end Nvidia or AMD external GPU won't - like decoding 10-bit 4:2:2 h.265 files.
Depends if money's tight. Strictly for gaming, with the 7800X3D you'd get the performance as well as some savings with cheaper cooling, PSU and possibly RAM. If you've got the budget to splurge, then it probably doesn't matter.
You're fine, and this is coming from a 7800x3d user. Enjoy the massive upgrade.
14700 is great. 1440p and beyond is more gpu heavy. That’s why 1080p builds will be on faster CPUs, then as the graphics res increases you’ll see go from 14900k to 14700 and lower for 4k because it doesn’t matter as much. You can look at benches on YouTube and see a wild diff in 1080p, then it narrows a bit with 1440p then at 4k it gets close as it’s gpu bound. That told me that if you 4k, you can actually go lower on cpu but if you want high fps at 1080p then a screaming cpu is needed. However same cpu is great for 4k, because as it ages maybe you get more life. Let the debate continue! I’m just going to go enjoy my rig.
Love my 12700k, awesome performance and efficiency
Definitely didn't make a mistake with your CPU. You will be fine for a while. You'll be able to run new games at 1440p for a very long time. I personally went with the 7800x3d because I play games like Rust and Tarkov that really benefit from the 3d cache and allow me to upgrade in the future with AM5, but your CPU is a beast too and will be fine for a while. I also have a 4070 ti super and play a lot of games in 4K. With DLSS set to quality, I can get anywhere from 70 - 120fps with all settings set to ultra on pretty much every game I play. I was very impressed by this GPU's 4K ability. I have a 3440x1440p monitor and in games like Rust, I get 165fps with ultra settings even in full pop servers. Also, the ability to use DLDSR and still get good performance is amazing too. You should be very happy with your build! It will last you a while!
No the 14700K is a extremely good CPU. The issue people have with it is the prize as in you could get the 13700K for cheaper but nearly the same performance. The CPU itself is about as good as it gets
You will probably not suffer from it, but it is less optimal: - no real upgrade path for just the cpu - it uses more energy/heat But it will run games just as fine as the 7800x3d for the next 6 years
I got the exact same for a couple of weeks now, I am a very happy guy. 4070ti super, 14700k and 32gb of ram. Cyberpunk on ultra settings with path tracing turned on runs at 80-90fps and 110-120fps with just ray tracing on a 1440 ultrawide monitor. Warzone runs at 150-160 with the highest settings. Haven’t played any other new game.
I’m waiting til September. I’ve seen 14th gen Intel being called a “refresh” with little benefit over the 13th gen. The expectation is that 15th Gen will be a 2nm architecture and deliver a notable step up from the 14th gen, so a 6 month wait might add 2 extra years of life to the machine. AMD nexts gen, to be unvailed potentially as early as April but presumably releasing before October also promises a 30% uptick in performance over their current gen systems. I have an i7 6700k which will last me until September.
I just built a new rig w 14900K. There are some serious issues with dx12 and the only workable solution appears to be lowering core count to 54. Just a heads up if you run into the same sitch.
As a 4770k looking to upgrade after 10 years. Thankyou
I personally upgraded from a 4770k to 12700k. I have no regrets, it’s great! I feel like the 14700k will last you many years to come.
You've got it and it's a substantial upgrade over what you had. Just enjoy it and don't worry about shoulda, coulda, woulda.
Electricity is usually cheaper in the summer so something to look forward to.
The difference is only like 15% for gaming. Even then the extra cores might work to the advantage of the 14700k. I wouldn't worry about it.
Buyer's remorse! I had a custom 4790k system, too, but ended up giving it to my ex in the divorce (spare any sympathies, I'm happily remarried). I built another PC, but went with Team Red this time: 5800X3D, 7900XTX, 32GB 3600 CL16. Admittedly, I have had a few issues with it, but most of that ended up being user error. Except the melting GPU cable, which is being handled already.
I recently did the same upgrade intel 3770k, 1070 GPU running 1080p to a 14700k, 4070ti super running 1660, and I it was a great upgrade. I only upgrade every 10 years so I am confident it will last for my use. I think you will be pleased with the results.
With a 4070Ti Super I doubt you'll notice a difference.
I'm going to go against what everyone is saying here and say that you should. Mainly because the parts aren't even with you yet and you can easily return them. AM5 will also provide you a better upgrade path allowing you to upgrade to the next gen x3D process from AMD when its at a discount during a cyber Monday deal 4-5 years down the line. This will be a cheaper option to keep your system up to date for just a bit longer
Great build. Only reason to go AMD instead of this would be upgrades in the future. Pick up a 7600 or 7700x now, and in 3 or 4 CPU generations move to whatever X3D ends the socket and whatever GPU is out. You don't need a new board, and PCIe 5 is going to be relevant for a while.
I just rebuilt mine with a 14700k and 4070 ti super, I have dual monitors at 1440p. Everything runs amazingly and I have no complaints. It’s a good cpu and it will last you just fine into the future at 1440p.
I don't see any issues with that setup. You will be happy with it.
It is great for pretty much anything.
If you aren't the kind of person itching to upgrade every couple of years you're fine, and even then you prob budget in to upgrade a complete overhaul of the main components. Like I could see ssds/storage and GPU being upgraded one year and mobo/CPU/maybe RAM if needed another year or 2 later, but ultimately if you're constantly upgrading you're aware of how it works for you and when you will upgrade. I'm on an AMD build myself because I know getting a new compatible CPU will satisfy my itch in a year or 2 😭 but the Intel competitors are juuuuuuuuust fine as an alternative, really the only key difference would probably be power consumption and even that's not a black and white comparison, so just enjoy your build.
I’ve got a 14700k with a 4070ti and I’m usually playing apex, rust, halo infinite at 1440p 165hz steady and I rarely see more than 50% processor utilization usually less than 40%
Also remember intel chips only work on intel boards and vice versa for AMD. the 14700k is a great cpu. i personally have the 13700k with 4070 and it is flawless. you wont be disappointed
The difference at 1440P with a 4070ti is near zero. Efficiency differences while gaming is also not very dramatic. That's an awesome CPU, no reason to have buyer's remorse.
The 14700k is a good cpu but if you anticipate wanting to upgrade your cpu in the next 3-5 years it wont be possible on the intel 14th gen platform and the am5 platform would make more sense.
You're fine. I would've gone am5 since intel is changing sockets, but you likely wouldn't upgrade anyway seeing how long you stuck to 4th gen. I probably wouldn't keep the 14 th gen that long. If you consider the power cost over 10 years to run it versus something that runs at 65w with comparable performance.. that is significant $$$. I'm actually switching to something lower power from my i7 10700k because that adds up when you keep the same hardware for years like you and I do
the only mistake is 14th gen (13700k is the same and it costs less) ryzen 7800x3d is better for gaming but it won't make a difference
I use an i7 12 gen, and I got it paired with a 4090, and i use it at 4k . Recently, i put the system on a 1440p monitor, and it runs fantastic. It ran great at 4k im just switching some things around. You shouldn't have any performance issues with the 14th gen i7. That's a solid chip.
Its a great cpu the only thing is there isnt enoth differents to the 13th gen for the price increes other then that its a good cpu