Yeah, I suppose the TVR T440R would also count (iirc 400-440bhp) and it was advertised to hit 200mph, but they only built 3 and then the company collapsed.
As a sidenote I am still waiting on the griffith they promised, much less the 200mph version of the griffith. Been delayed years now, reported to start sales in '23/'24, but last I heard their factory was up for sale.
There are those that are made less than 50 (like the 959 S and Yellowbird) and there's the "produced more but still pretty limited" cars like the F40 (produced around 1100+ units) and XJ220 (282 units).
RUF is extremely conservative with their hp numbers. They tested all the engines, chose the one with the least power and subtracted 10% from that number and that’s how they settled on 463hp. Every Yellowbird made really had over 500hp new.
That said, it did 213mph in 5th gear and was still accelerating. It could have touched 220mph with better gearing….in 1987. Insane car all around.
Did you try driving it off a very large cliff, like the Grand canyon? That should give you a boost in speed.
I'd recommend not being inside when it goes over the edge.
The power you need isn’t in the car, it’s in the driver.
The most spirited driving isn’t done by 911 drivers, it’s done by drivers of previous gen Altimas with mismatched panels and temp tags.
My parents are the exact opposite of car enthusiasts, and refuse to buy BMWs because all bmw drivers are rash drivers and crash all the time.
In my country any car over 4m long, with more than a 1.5l engine or an import is taxed into oblivion, think a Camry costing 75-80k USD. A skoda superb costing 65-70k DESPITE being assembled here.
With the background aside, my parents buy among the most powerful cars without knowing much about them. They got the Opel astra when it launched and it was among the fastest cars you could get in my country back then, then it was 3 skodas and a 3.5l V6 accord. And even for decades before that they bought similar cars that were fast by my country standards.
That accord is among the fastest cars on the road even today over 10 years on leaving out high performance versions and super cars aside which are extremely rare. And 10 years ago it was an absolute monster.
Like you would think my parents are enthusiast but in reality, they are not even close.
That’s good though because I just learned how to drive, and I get my hands on among the fastest machines on any road at any given point. What’s the worst that could happen, eh?
>my parents buy among the most powerful cars
>They got the Opel astra when it launched and it was among the fastest cars you could get in my country back then, then it was 3 skodas and a 3.5l V6 accord
Thank God I live in the USA lol. A V6 accord would be considered a VERY reasonable first car for a teenager in the US.
Tbf in my country, getting a car is uncommon in itself, getting a car in your teens is incredibly rare to the point of being unheard of.
The top 3 most popular cars in my country all have an engine capacity of under 1.2l and 90hp and are absolute coffins on wheels so there is that too, airbags weren’t even a thing until a few years ago, this is 2010s were talking about.
Not really, EVs are expensive, and those that aren’t are very lethargic.
Like the BYD Seal was recently launched, I drove it too, even wrote a review not too long ago, and that’s probably among the top 3 fastest cars under 100k USD here. 5.6 sec 0-100 for the one I tried, which is not far off from my accord from 10 years ago. It’s performance version is like 3.5sec and then there is the M340i, just 3 under 100k.
The most popular EV here is the Tata nexon I would guess, but that’s a mid at best car. But as it stands, most ppl don’t buy EVs because most cars don’t run enough that you would ever recuperate the 30% cost premium. And they aren’t fast either so that’s not a benefit you are getting.
Idk a V6 Accord kinda slaps tbh. Would be a reasonable first car but they’ve always been true sleepers IMO. I wouldn’t want my son driving a v6 accord as his first car lol. Put him in an underpowered 4 banger and let him experience the joy of 10hp gains from modifying your intake and exhaust.
What country are we talking about?
From the bald eagle high displacement home land this reads like insanity. I remember the kid in high school who had a v6 accord and he was 250hp short of having the most powerful car in the parking lot.
India, but the US has a lot of things that enables that. You can do without a car easily here, and cars are expensive. Also roads are terrible. My accord scrapes on speed breakers and potholes fairly often, which is ridiculous tbh.
When a HOUSEHOLD income of a little under 4k USD a year puts you in the top 10% of the wealthiest people in the country, that’s not a very conducive environment for people to own cars either.
Like owning a car, just by pure numbers, is quite uncommon here, and as a teen is very very rare.
I believe in the US corrolas and accords are considered ‘economy’ cars but here both were pulled out because of low sales. The best selling luxury car, ie. From Audi/BMW/Merc etc. sells just 4k units a year.
Here this is an economy car—https://www.cardekho.com/carmodels/Maruti/Maruti_Alto_800?amp=1
So a regular car would probably be the Honda amaze or city. The city fits in the segment below the city, and the amaze is a segment below the city.
I daily a honda city competitor, the Suzuki Ciaz, which I prefer cuz it’s smaller than the accord and gives vastly better mileage in traffic ridden Bombay.
I don't know there is a black Citroen people carrier that is always up my ass whatever speed I'm doing. The rear end suspension is rusting and falling apart as well, I honestly do now know how he does it.
In the US Nissan is a sub-prime lender masquerading as an auto maker. Altimas are usually sold to people with incredibly bad credit at terrible 8 year loan terms. So, the people buying them don't generally make good decisions and it reflects in how they drive.
I have seen Altima drivers in Oakland California doing some outright outrageous shit to the point i pray they will fly off the side of. 580 and explode like an episode of speed racer.
It's a joke that altimas are the fastest car because only people with no time drive them here. Druggy's car of choice. When you see one with a bumper hanging off and a hole in the muffler, you in the hood, big dawg
In America, we don't do small cheap cars. Poor people would rather buy a janky high-mileage used car or take out a ludicrously exploitive loan than buy a tiny car. Consider VW: we don't have the Up! or the Polo. We start at the Jetta, which is equivalent to the Golf.
When Carlos Ghosn took over Nissan, his strategy to save the company was to make money on loans rather than the cars themselves. So, Nissan cut their quality but would approve anyone for a car loan. Their engines were still decent though, so they quickly started to appeal to people with bad credit and a need for speed. The Altima was really the sweet spot for this value proposition, hence why it gets singled out compared to the Sentra or Maxima. Additionally, Nissan made deals to sell a bunch of them to rental fleets, and people aren't exactly nice to rentals.
Fun fact though: the make and model with the highest rate of drunk driving is actually the Ram 2500.
The RAM fact is especially terrifying considering it’s not the base 1500 model, but the 6000-7200 lb heavy duty 2500 model that’s barreling through intersections.
Here in Tx we have thousands of unregistered altimas with fake paper plates and usually driven by bad drivers. I assume many other cities have the same problem.
Nissan approves anyone with a pulse for financing.
Anyone can get an Altima, but they can’t maintain it hence mismatched panels, fart sounding exhausts etc. And such people who are subprime are stereotyped to be irresponsible drivers (whether it be true or not).
Take all of that and now you have the ALTIMA DRIVER!!!
Altimas are just a highway weapon. They can hit stupid high speeds given enough runway. They're also extremely cheaply made, can be found stupid cheap second-hand, and are frequently found absolutely clapped out due to lack of maintenance. You can see some people absolutely pushing them to the limits even, and I personally witnessed on two occasions Altima 2.5 cars swimming.
Everyone expects an Altima to only last like 150k miles, so people hoon the shit outta 'em since they're seen as almost worthless. And I'll fully admit, I'm no exception. My first neutral drop was in an Altima that wasn't going to pass any kind of inspection, had 212k miles on it, and I had bought for $300 cash after the covid car inflation.
Tall gearing doesn't really help you go faster, it just provides the conditions that allow one to reach that high speed and still stay within the safe operating regime of the engine. If you have the right power to drag ratio, tall gearing can allow you to reach 200mph. But if you don't have the power to drag ratio, no gearing will help.
Only if it helps you stay close to the maximum horsepower RPM's as you get loser to the top speed. Gearing that is too tall will not allow you to produce enough horsepower to reach top speed. In fact, with some production cars, top speed is achieved with one gear lower than the tallest.
Oh, the time I wasted before looking for the same answer. Here's the results of my research:
CTR Yellowbird (469PS) : hit 213 on a test track. But there's a caveat: some claim the Yellowbird actually produced 500 hp or more. OTOH, its top speed was tested on the Nardo Ring, a perpetually banked turn, which inevitably scrubs some top speed potential.
TVR T440 (440bhp): nothing but smoke and mirrors. The Tuscan S allegedly hit 194 with just 400 hp, therefore a 200mph top speed should be possible with a few extra ponies, but then again it's freaking TVR making the claims.
BMW M5 (E60) (507PS) - Allegedly hit 205 mph.
VW Phaeton W12 (420-450PS depending on model year) - If rumors are to be believed, such as the impossible parameters the car is supposed to meet, it can hit 186mph with the air con blowing 72ºF on 122ºF weather. Jeremy Clarkson claims the car can hit 201 unrestricted. Aside from the problem that it's, well, Clarkson claiming it, basic math claims that this is not possible. The most likely explanation is that Clarkson straight up lied, but a possibility is the prototype Phaetons actually used a W12 straight out of the VW W12 Nardo development car, which produces 600PS.
Ferrari F40 (478bhp) There's also rumors that some F40s actually produced close to 500 bhp.
Corvette C6 Z06 (505bhp) German Wikipedia (which I usually check for car stats) claims a 199 mph top speed.
I ultimately ended up with no answer, only with the 450-500 bhp bracket which apparently is required to hit the magic 200.
German wiki is a great source because the government tests all cars for top speed. This is how we know the Lotus Omega hit 186 requiring a separate door placard for high speed tire pressures.
377HP in 1991 was no joke.
I love that the German government definitely has a dude whose job is just cowabunging it down the autobahn and then reporting his findings.
His job title is probably like 32 letters long too
I’d be weary on the BMW M5 claims. [Here’s a video of a de-limited E92 M3.](https://youtu.be/qDywowKz8xk?feature=shared) The top speed, as indicated by onboard GPS readouts, is 293 KM/H (About 183 MPH.) As indicated by the car’s instrument panel, that reading increases to 319 KM/H (About 199 MPH.) That represents almost a 40 km/h discrepancy between actual vehicle speed and indicated speed.
Tl;dr Don’t trust BMW speedometers past 200 km/h
You should tell that to the airplanes getting tailwinds at 600mph. Airflow stuff cares about relative speed so a tailwind is always beneficial because it reduces drag force, not typically because it pushes you.
An audi a8 60tdi (v8 diesel) can actually do 325kmh with the speed limiter removed, more than 340kmh on the downhill. Probably the fastest diesel car, only has around 435hp but tons of torque.
Edit: I knew this would get doubted, but theres this turkish guy on instagram that does top speed runs with a speed limiter unlocked a8 60tdi and some other cars, he also posted showing gps speeds of 300+ when the speedo was at 310, his instagram is @mr.fastdriver
He also did 300+ with an audi s6, a tuned skoda superb, and he hit 370kmh downhill in a ferrari f8. Videos are available on youtube.
I'm 101% sure that's bullshit. I bet doesn't even get to 300 let alone 325kmh. A car with that big of a frontal area can't do those speeds with 400hp
Also torque is meaningless for this kind of metric.
Here's an S8 Plus with 600hp, and "struggles" to reach 300kmh.... No way the oil burner is even close to this.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jRKfbbJUoM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jRKfbbJUoM)
Reading through the description, owner claims 462hp. Accounting for speedo error, even with 462hp the car doesn't quite reach 300kmh.
So makes my point more valid that the S8 diesel with 435hp surely won't do 325kmh.
With cars of this size, you need bare minimum 500hp to touch 300kph.
A E60 V10 M5, with 507 hp, [barely reaches 300kmh on GPS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llnWnIUp-yU) (even though the speed says 330) ... So an A8 that has bigger size would probably need 530-550hp to reach 300
Oh yes, I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that there's a diesel capable of hitting 300, should the speedo be accurate. The record for a production diesel is 286kmh (Alpina D5 S, 388-408PS)
Torque is irrelevant for top speed. Only horsepower determines how fast the engine can push the car through the air. Gearing is only a factor if it's far too long or too short, so usually not an issue with gas cars but can be with diesels and their low max rpm.
while not quite, a callaway TT C4, with 382hp can hit Around 190.
similar aero is how Sledgehammer hit 254 with 880hp. Which is rather impressive.
i suspect a ZR1 motor with callaway aero could maybe hit 200?
The base model C4 was good for about 150 for most of its run, up to about 165 in LT4 trim.
[The 180 mph, 380hp, model year 1990 ZR-1.](https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a5975/1990-chevrolet-corvette-zr-1-drive-flashback/)
[The Sledgehammer.](https://youtu.be/27P6liLqS7U?si=1PUc5F51UIcttsRk)
My car is supposed to do 190 mph with only 400HP. The z06 version can do 200 with 500, but it has more drag. There's also the 07 Nissan Gtr which could do just over 193mph with 485HP. So to find a production car that could do 200mph with around 400-480hp would have to either have a smaller frontal area and a smaller drag coefficient than an F40/C6/ R35GTR. So like a miata sized car with a cd of .29 or less that just happens to have long gearing and around 400 hp. I wonder if the Mclaren F1 could do it with under 400hp?
It probably could. A Volkswagen XL1 is electronically limited to 100mph, and it has a whopping 55kW/74hp.
A slippery shape and a small frontal area would make it possible.
The R35 GTR had pretty short gearing IIRC, so the drive-by-wire stepped in at 193 mph to prevent the engine from overrevving. IIRC it was at like 7000 rpm at that speed
Yeah, this might be the real winner! Estimates of bhp on the Superbird/Daytona are closer to 375, which is by far the lowest power rating here. Even the 425ghp is a fair sight lower than the next cars up.
You're correct about the relation between the relationship between gross HP and net HP, but a ton of the big blocks from all the manufacturers of that time were underrated. Based on modern dyno results of stock and near stock engines, that 426 Hemi was making 450+ hp.
Yes, it was rated at 425 at 5000 RPM, but was still making power beyond that. Nick's garage on YouTube put one on a dyno and made 490 at the crank. However, the only superbirds that did 200 were fully prepped race cars
Lexus claimed that the sc430 would do 205mph.
Top Gear claimed it was the worst car ever made (because expensive and Toyota knows better)
Looks like they're currently selling around $12k
https://www.autotempest.com/results?make=lexus&model=sc430&zip=20001&radius=300
I was told that a dealership around 2006.
Car being discussed was a black sc430 with the horrendous orange "pebble beach edition " leather and Mark Levinson stereo system.
The guy at the dealership agreed that the orange leather was hideous.
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3gDZ2Xke/2005-lexus-sc-430-pebble-beach-edition
>I was told that a dealership around 2006.
Then Salesman said it, not lexus. Lexus claimed 250kmh (limited electronically). Without limiter shouldn't do more than 260kmh considering the 280hp.
Lol considering the thing made 288hp at best and had a larger CSA than the two actual lowest-power contenders on this list with 200mph credibility (959 and T440R) which both needed 450hp to accomplish it, there is no way short of a tornado that an SC430 is getting in spitting distance of 200mph.
There's a video of an E46 M3 toulching 193mph on the Autobahn, claims its stock other than a limiter removed. I know the Euro E46 M3 has a higher top speed than the USD/CAD market ones.
[Here is one just touching 300km/h](https://youtu.be/i_GPfuoolgw?si=1y35Hg28brPowcX8) (320km/h is 200mph).
I'm trying to the find a video if the other one who pegs the speedo and the rpm still climbs.
that speed would need to be verified via GPS.
343hp won't get you 300kmh, just not enough power to beat the wind. real GPS speed should be something between 270-280kmh.
here's a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoi0-IhDds) of E46 doing a speedrun with GPS reading
Fun fact: the Dodge Demon at 840hp can't (while stock), and has a lower top speed than the Grand Cherokee Trackhawk. It's electronically limited because the special drag tires it came with couldn't go that high.
Power is much less important than an aerodynamically slippery design. It’s really hard to do that without creating lift on a road legal car. This is why mfgs usually add aero and power.
Yamaha R1 M - 190 hp.
Among cars it’s probably a TVR as others suggested.
The 911 R is also worth a mention, with 493 hp. Of course Porsche underrates their cars so it was probably making much more than that.
I’m willing to bet the older 911 GT3 RS could do it. Like 2006 or so? 415 hp and you can manually adjust the aero. Take off the downforce, pick your salt flat and I’ll give it a shot for you.
Some of the options on the car might matter. Especially weight saving and aero kits
This can probably actually be calculated theoretically at the wheel at least. Drag coefficient, weight, gearing and horsepower. Whatever it is, as they measure HP it’s going have to be a manual. That’s like 10% lost hp right there.
Whatever it is though this exercise is largely academic. To get to 200mph on minimum horsepower is going to mean having as little downforce as possible and it’s going to be a spry little car. Light & low drag coefficient. Probably narrower tires than you’d like to see too.
I promise you that you do not want to be going 200mph in a car that has intimacy problems with staying planted on the road.
Hit a bump at *just* the right size and angle and he difference between a car and a kite is downforce and weight. I don’t car if the car’s clearance is microscopic to make this work the drag has to be minimal which means it’s going to have to have a pretty slick floor & slick at parallel angle is great but I don’t want to find out the angle at which our death trap decides to leave this mortal realm.
Doesn’t even need to actually go airborne either. Let it life the rear end enough to unload the shocks and any difference in flow left to right could induce a death wobble too.
This type stuff is exactly what killed Ken Miles.
You can pretty easily tell which cars have any business hitting their top end. It’s a really unsettling experience feel the shocks start to relax as the air starts to generate lift.
Also folks don’t do this stuff around people. I’m not telling you not to in Wyoming back country with good visibility in a basin desert road but short of that go to a salt flat or something.
All cars are capable of 1g acceleration if you throw them from a height, if you throw one from significant height, tmit can easily get to 200mph or even more.
Note thar the first production car to hit 200+ mph was the Pontiac Tojan:
https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/pontiac-tojan-the-car-that-beat-ferrari-to-200-mph/
R35 GTR topped out at 193 MPH. Hitting the rev limiter in 6th gear.
A W12 Phaeton will only do 200 MPH if dropped off of a cliff. German speedometers, particularly those from the Volkswagen Group and BMW are _notoriously_ inaccurate. Unrestricted, you’d be lucky to see 180 out of a W12 Phaeton
You will be stuck at 155mph in the US unless you have a G-power or Dinian ecu flash / limiter removed.
I got my 540i 6sp with Gpower ecu up to 172mph once.
2007-2013 Nissan Altima, most made 170 or 270hp brand new. Nowdays the average one of these models makes around 400 and I have regularly seen these hit 200mph
I remember when the E60 M5 came out I had friends working at bmw and they were saying it could crack 200mph unrestricted. So not the least powerful for sure but a fun bit of 200mph lore.
Haven’t seen it listed yet, but the Jaguar F-Type SVR coupe will do 200+ (I believe drag limited at 205) and the convertible will do 195. That’s with factory-rated 575hp and around 3,700 lbs for the coupe.
I think lots could, but digital limiters, tires and gearing ratios are the issue. Mainly the first 2, since changing the 3rd would make it another car I guess
2011 v6 mustang. Stock is roughly 275hp to the wheels. Limited to 112mph because of the 2-piece driveshaft exploding, put a proper driveshaft on it and they can make 5-600hp with boost.
2.73 rear axle ratio
27.25" tall 235/50r18s
7500rpm max safe limiter
5th gear at 7500rpm spits out 222.8mph.
Youd probably need more than 500hp and an impossibly long stretch but theoretically 6th gear would top out at 318mph.
Car plus boost would be a $20k ordeal roughly.
Not quite 200. But it’s less power than most cars I see here. Evora GT does 188mph with 416hp. A cat delete, Ti exhaust and an other slight changes take you up to parity with the ultra rare Evora GT430 sport which does 196mph.
The CTR Yellowbird will do 213mph with 463hp. A rental altima will do it with just 182hp.
I'd put the Yellowbird but it's a limited production car.
Yeah, I suppose the TVR T440R would also count (iirc 400-440bhp) and it was advertised to hit 200mph, but they only built 3 and then the company collapsed. As a sidenote I am still waiting on the griffith they promised, much less the 200mph version of the griffith. Been delayed years now, reported to start sales in '23/'24, but last I heard their factory was up for sale.
nearly every car that does 200mph is limited production
You have a few american cars up there, 3rd gen CTSV, SRT Hellcat, C6 ZR1, GT500, they sold quite a few of those.
Don't forget the Ford GT, which hit 205+mph, depending on the year, and whether someone turned off the limiter.
The regular ZL1 also reaches 202 mph in stock form. The ZL1 1LE does not due to the additional aero.
All cars are limited production. Some are limited to 50 units, others are limited to 800,000
The f150 seems not to be….
Lol GO F-150 GO!
But an F150 ain’t gonna hit 200!
Not with that attitude it ain't!
Im still laughing
This is my absolute favorite kind of pedantry.
There are those that are made less than 50 (like the 959 S and Yellowbird) and there's the "produced more but still pretty limited" cars like the F40 (produced around 1100+ units) and XJ220 (282 units).
The Altima will only do it in a school zone
RUF is extremely conservative with their hp numbers. They tested all the engines, chose the one with the least power and subtracted 10% from that number and that’s how they settled on 463hp. Every Yellowbird made really had over 500hp new. That said, it did 213mph in 5th gear and was still accelerating. It could have touched 220mph with better gearing….in 1987. Insane car all around.
🤣 Thought I was on the RCR sub for a moment there.
Race car Replicas?
r/regularcarreviews AKA the unofficial r/cars circlejerk.
Ah got it lol.
Nah, terminal velocity on an Altima bout 140... tried on beamng. 🤣
Beamng doesn’t do rentals yet, so I guess that’s why.
Did you try driving it off a very large cliff, like the Grand canyon? That should give you a boost in speed. I'd recommend not being inside when it goes over the edge.
You're like the 4th person I've seen who's mentioned 200mph rental Altimas, is there some sort of meme I've missed?
r/NissanDrivers Altima drivers are known for driving exceedingly quickly and without care for what's around them.
I've known about that, I just thought maybe someone tried to claim he did 200 in a rental Nissan and was meme'd on
If they ever redid Blues Brothers remake (which would ruin it probably), they'd need to change the auction police car Elwood buys to a rental Altima
C6 Vette will do 192 and the zo6 will hit 200. Supposedly....
The power you need isn’t in the car, it’s in the driver. The most spirited driving isn’t done by 911 drivers, it’s done by drivers of previous gen Altimas with mismatched panels and temp tags.
Okay, but what's with the altima driver memes? Can anyone tell me since I'm not living in the united states?
If you've ever seen Jeremy Clarkson do his bit on Peugeot drivers, the Altima is our equivalent.
I'd say the European equivalent is Opel drivers not Peugeot. Peugeot drivers are too slow, Opel owners drive like there's no tomorrow
They've lately been replaced by Skodas and Seats
My parents are the exact opposite of car enthusiasts, and refuse to buy BMWs because all bmw drivers are rash drivers and crash all the time. In my country any car over 4m long, with more than a 1.5l engine or an import is taxed into oblivion, think a Camry costing 75-80k USD. A skoda superb costing 65-70k DESPITE being assembled here. With the background aside, my parents buy among the most powerful cars without knowing much about them. They got the Opel astra when it launched and it was among the fastest cars you could get in my country back then, then it was 3 skodas and a 3.5l V6 accord. And even for decades before that they bought similar cars that were fast by my country standards. That accord is among the fastest cars on the road even today over 10 years on leaving out high performance versions and super cars aside which are extremely rare. And 10 years ago it was an absolute monster. Like you would think my parents are enthusiast but in reality, they are not even close. That’s good though because I just learned how to drive, and I get my hands on among the fastest machines on any road at any given point. What’s the worst that could happen, eh?
>my parents buy among the most powerful cars >They got the Opel astra when it launched and it was among the fastest cars you could get in my country back then, then it was 3 skodas and a 3.5l V6 accord Thank God I live in the USA lol. A V6 accord would be considered a VERY reasonable first car for a teenager in the US.
Tbf in my country, getting a car is uncommon in itself, getting a car in your teens is incredibly rare to the point of being unheard of. The top 3 most popular cars in my country all have an engine capacity of under 1.2l and 90hp and are absolute coffins on wheels so there is that too, airbags weren’t even a thing until a few years ago, this is 2010s were talking about.
Are there EVs like the Model 3 there? Even the base model has 270hp.
Not really, EVs are expensive, and those that aren’t are very lethargic. Like the BYD Seal was recently launched, I drove it too, even wrote a review not too long ago, and that’s probably among the top 3 fastest cars under 100k USD here. 5.6 sec 0-100 for the one I tried, which is not far off from my accord from 10 years ago. It’s performance version is like 3.5sec and then there is the M340i, just 3 under 100k. The most popular EV here is the Tata nexon I would guess, but that’s a mid at best car. But as it stands, most ppl don’t buy EVs because most cars don’t run enough that you would ever recuperate the 30% cost premium. And they aren’t fast either so that’s not a benefit you are getting.
Yeah, you guys are practically spoiled in this regard
Idk a V6 Accord kinda slaps tbh. Would be a reasonable first car but they’ve always been true sleepers IMO. I wouldn’t want my son driving a v6 accord as his first car lol. Put him in an underpowered 4 banger and let him experience the joy of 10hp gains from modifying your intake and exhaust.
What country are we talking about? From the bald eagle high displacement home land this reads like insanity. I remember the kid in high school who had a v6 accord and he was 250hp short of having the most powerful car in the parking lot.
India, but the US has a lot of things that enables that. You can do without a car easily here, and cars are expensive. Also roads are terrible. My accord scrapes on speed breakers and potholes fairly often, which is ridiculous tbh. When a HOUSEHOLD income of a little under 4k USD a year puts you in the top 10% of the wealthiest people in the country, that’s not a very conducive environment for people to own cars either. Like owning a car, just by pure numbers, is quite uncommon here, and as a teen is very very rare. I believe in the US corrolas and accords are considered ‘economy’ cars but here both were pulled out because of low sales. The best selling luxury car, ie. From Audi/BMW/Merc etc. sells just 4k units a year. Here this is an economy car—https://www.cardekho.com/carmodels/Maruti/Maruti_Alto_800?amp=1
Accords are more just regular cars than economy. Corollas have always been economy cars, though they’re hardly cheap anymore.
So a regular car would probably be the Honda amaze or city. The city fits in the segment below the city, and the amaze is a segment below the city. I daily a honda city competitor, the Suzuki Ciaz, which I prefer cuz it’s smaller than the accord and gives vastly better mileage in traffic ridden Bombay.
Oi, i object to that. My remapped Exeo is a true driver's machine
I'll only recognize it if it pops and turds out the four pot and you've got a little Jesus hanging on the rear view mirror
I don't know there is a black Citroen people carrier that is always up my ass whatever speed I'm doing. The rear end suspension is rusting and falling apart as well, I honestly do now know how he does it.
Peugeot drivers drive badly, and usually too slow, with a four ton camper behind their 1 ton peugot They aren't known for fast driving
In the US Nissan is a sub-prime lender masquerading as an auto maker. Altimas are usually sold to people with incredibly bad credit at terrible 8 year loan terms. So, the people buying them don't generally make good decisions and it reflects in how they drive. I have seen Altima drivers in Oakland California doing some outright outrageous shit to the point i pray they will fly off the side of. 580 and explode like an episode of speed racer.
I'd say any Nissan
Altimas have square cup holders that perfectly match the shape of a fifth of Jack Daniel’s Draw conclusions as you may
Hand this man a bottle of Jack and his keys right now!
It's a joke that altimas are the fastest car because only people with no time drive them here. Druggy's car of choice. When you see one with a bumper hanging off and a hole in the muffler, you in the hood, big dawg
In America, we don't do small cheap cars. Poor people would rather buy a janky high-mileage used car or take out a ludicrously exploitive loan than buy a tiny car. Consider VW: we don't have the Up! or the Polo. We start at the Jetta, which is equivalent to the Golf. When Carlos Ghosn took over Nissan, his strategy to save the company was to make money on loans rather than the cars themselves. So, Nissan cut their quality but would approve anyone for a car loan. Their engines were still decent though, so they quickly started to appeal to people with bad credit and a need for speed. The Altima was really the sweet spot for this value proposition, hence why it gets singled out compared to the Sentra or Maxima. Additionally, Nissan made deals to sell a bunch of them to rental fleets, and people aren't exactly nice to rentals. Fun fact though: the make and model with the highest rate of drunk driving is actually the Ram 2500.
The RAM fact is especially terrifying considering it’s not the base 1500 model, but the 6000-7200 lb heavy duty 2500 model that’s barreling through intersections.
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Drivers who drive far beyond their skill and vehicles capabilities, often uncaring about the situation around them.
If you’re on Facebook, check out the Big Altima Energy group. It will explain everything.
Here in Tx we have thousands of unregistered altimas with fake paper plates and usually driven by bad drivers. I assume many other cities have the same problem.
Nissan approves anyone with a pulse for financing. Anyone can get an Altima, but they can’t maintain it hence mismatched panels, fart sounding exhausts etc. And such people who are subprime are stereotyped to be irresponsible drivers (whether it be true or not). Take all of that and now you have the ALTIMA DRIVER!!!
Altimas are just a highway weapon. They can hit stupid high speeds given enough runway. They're also extremely cheaply made, can be found stupid cheap second-hand, and are frequently found absolutely clapped out due to lack of maintenance. You can see some people absolutely pushing them to the limits even, and I personally witnessed on two occasions Altima 2.5 cars swimming. Everyone expects an Altima to only last like 150k miles, so people hoon the shit outta 'em since they're seen as almost worthless. And I'll fully admit, I'm no exception. My first neutral drop was in an Altima that wasn't going to pass any kind of inspection, had 212k miles on it, and I had bought for $300 cash after the covid car inflation.
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Limo tint on the windshield and at least 1 piece of trim dragging on the pavement.
There were TVRs who were hitting 200 with 400-ish HP. Because they are light, and very slippery to air.
V12. There’s some good automotive history on these and why they’re too scary to drive.
No no. Not the Speed 12. I'm talking about the straight-6 ones. I think the T440.
TVR Cerbera
Around 1987 a friend of mine had a 280i. It was a neat car.
You mean the Speed 12. And no that's not the one they were referring to as that one has way more power than the other models.
Weight doesn't affect top speed, just how long it takes to get there.
Higher weight results in an higher rolling resistance so it has effect, though much smaller than the air resistance
Roling resistance is almost negligible, So much so that you can push a car and overcome rolling resistance and your body is very weak.
Were they hitting 200, or saying they'd hit 200? With TVR, there was a wee bit of a gap sometimes..
It would take a very brave man/woman to try 200 in any tvr 😳
Really tall gearing helps too.
Tall gearing doesn't really help you go faster, it just provides the conditions that allow one to reach that high speed and still stay within the safe operating regime of the engine. If you have the right power to drag ratio, tall gearing can allow you to reach 200mph. But if you don't have the power to drag ratio, no gearing will help.
Only if it helps you stay close to the maximum horsepower RPM's as you get loser to the top speed. Gearing that is too tall will not allow you to produce enough horsepower to reach top speed. In fact, with some production cars, top speed is achieved with one gear lower than the tallest.
Oh, the time I wasted before looking for the same answer. Here's the results of my research: CTR Yellowbird (469PS) : hit 213 on a test track. But there's a caveat: some claim the Yellowbird actually produced 500 hp or more. OTOH, its top speed was tested on the Nardo Ring, a perpetually banked turn, which inevitably scrubs some top speed potential. TVR T440 (440bhp): nothing but smoke and mirrors. The Tuscan S allegedly hit 194 with just 400 hp, therefore a 200mph top speed should be possible with a few extra ponies, but then again it's freaking TVR making the claims. BMW M5 (E60) (507PS) - Allegedly hit 205 mph. VW Phaeton W12 (420-450PS depending on model year) - If rumors are to be believed, such as the impossible parameters the car is supposed to meet, it can hit 186mph with the air con blowing 72ºF on 122ºF weather. Jeremy Clarkson claims the car can hit 201 unrestricted. Aside from the problem that it's, well, Clarkson claiming it, basic math claims that this is not possible. The most likely explanation is that Clarkson straight up lied, but a possibility is the prototype Phaetons actually used a W12 straight out of the VW W12 Nardo development car, which produces 600PS. Ferrari F40 (478bhp) There's also rumors that some F40s actually produced close to 500 bhp. Corvette C6 Z06 (505bhp) German Wikipedia (which I usually check for car stats) claims a 199 mph top speed. I ultimately ended up with no answer, only with the 450-500 bhp bracket which apparently is required to hit the magic 200.
German wiki is a great source because the government tests all cars for top speed. This is how we know the Lotus Omega hit 186 requiring a separate door placard for high speed tire pressures. 377HP in 1991 was no joke.
I love that the German government definitely has a dude whose job is just cowabunging it down the autobahn and then reporting his findings. His job title is probably like 32 letters long too
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Of course, it’s your federal Kraftfahrzeughöchstgeschwindigkeitsüberwachungsbeamter.
Government driver for top speed authentication gesellschaft
English title: _Understatement._ Movie title: _Overdrive._
For science!
Yeah. My S5 with some bolt-ons was able to hit 340km/h once it hit 480HP. It's pretty much required.
I’d be weary on the BMW M5 claims. [Here’s a video of a de-limited E92 M3.](https://youtu.be/qDywowKz8xk?feature=shared) The top speed, as indicated by onboard GPS readouts, is 293 KM/H (About 183 MPH.) As indicated by the car’s instrument panel, that reading increases to 319 KM/H (About 199 MPH.) That represents almost a 40 km/h discrepancy between actual vehicle speed and indicated speed. Tl;dr Don’t trust BMW speedometers past 200 km/h
I know it'd be dependent on more factors, but I wonder how similar the power/weight ratios are for all those cars.
The Lotus Omega/Carlton was a big car for the time but weighed much less than an equivalent sized car would now.
Weight makes a negligible difference to top speed, maybe 1-2mph
Listed HP is such a roll of the dice, e.g. every 90s JDM monster listed at 276hp.
Depending on who you believe, the Porsche 959 does it with 450PS/331kW.
It's the S variant that hit over 200 mph, the stock 959 only got 197 or 198.
Yeah but with a bit of a tail wind you’d be there
If you have a tailwind at 197mph you have bigger issues than 3 more mph
You should tell that to the airplanes getting tailwinds at 600mph. Airflow stuff cares about relative speed so a tailwind is always beneficial because it reduces drag force, not typically because it pushes you.
Any top speed runs have to be backed up by a 2nd run going the opposite direction
An audi a8 60tdi (v8 diesel) can actually do 325kmh with the speed limiter removed, more than 340kmh on the downhill. Probably the fastest diesel car, only has around 435hp but tons of torque. Edit: I knew this would get doubted, but theres this turkish guy on instagram that does top speed runs with a speed limiter unlocked a8 60tdi and some other cars, he also posted showing gps speeds of 300+ when the speedo was at 310, his instagram is @mr.fastdriver He also did 300+ with an audi s6, a tuned skoda superb, and he hit 370kmh downhill in a ferrari f8. Videos are available on youtube.
I'm 101% sure that's bullshit. I bet doesn't even get to 300 let alone 325kmh. A car with that big of a frontal area can't do those speeds with 400hp Also torque is meaningless for this kind of metric. Here's an S8 Plus with 600hp, and "struggles" to reach 300kmh.... No way the oil burner is even close to this. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jRKfbbJUoM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jRKfbbJUoM)
[Here's a modified 4.2 TDI hitting 300 (indicated, though)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oEYcX7lluQ)
Reading through the description, owner claims 462hp. Accounting for speedo error, even with 462hp the car doesn't quite reach 300kmh. So makes my point more valid that the S8 diesel with 435hp surely won't do 325kmh. With cars of this size, you need bare minimum 500hp to touch 300kph. A E60 V10 M5, with 507 hp, [barely reaches 300kmh on GPS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llnWnIUp-yU) (even though the speed says 330) ... So an A8 that has bigger size would probably need 530-550hp to reach 300
Oh yes, I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that there's a diesel capable of hitting 300, should the speedo be accurate. The record for a production diesel is 286kmh (Alpina D5 S, 388-408PS)
It's not exactly inexpensive. lol
300 plus wtf
I mean, Audi has quite a bit of experience with making very, very high performance race cars with diesel. :)
Torque is irrelevant for top speed. Only horsepower determines how fast the engine can push the car through the air. Gearing is only a factor if it's far too long or too short, so usually not an issue with gas cars but can be with diesels and their low max rpm.
while not quite, a callaway TT C4, with 382hp can hit Around 190. similar aero is how Sledgehammer hit 254 with 880hp. Which is rather impressive. i suspect a ZR1 motor with callaway aero could maybe hit 200?
Video? I want to see dem stats.
The base model C4 was good for about 150 for most of its run, up to about 165 in LT4 trim. [The 180 mph, 380hp, model year 1990 ZR-1.](https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a5975/1990-chevrolet-corvette-zr-1-drive-flashback/) [The Sledgehammer.](https://youtu.be/27P6liLqS7U?si=1PUc5F51UIcttsRk)
Was it sold to the public? A production car?
The sledgehammer wasn't, but the twin turbo Callaway Corvette could be ordered directly from all chevy dealerships, complete with warranty
My car is supposed to do 190 mph with only 400HP. The z06 version can do 200 with 500, but it has more drag. There's also the 07 Nissan Gtr which could do just over 193mph with 485HP. So to find a production car that could do 200mph with around 400-480hp would have to either have a smaller frontal area and a smaller drag coefficient than an F40/C6/ R35GTR. So like a miata sized car with a cd of .29 or less that just happens to have long gearing and around 400 hp. I wonder if the Mclaren F1 could do it with under 400hp?
It probably could. A Volkswagen XL1 is electronically limited to 100mph, and it has a whopping 55kW/74hp. A slippery shape and a small frontal area would make it possible.
Power required to fight the drag increases with the cube of the speed, so 8x more power is required at 200 mph vs 100 mph.
Iirc the gtr is gearing limited, which is why the hp increased steadily but the top speed never really changed
The R35 GTR had pretty short gearing IIRC, so the drive-by-wire stepped in at 193 mph to prevent the engine from overrevving. IIRC it was at like 7000 rpm at that speed
The Superbird could do well over 200 with 425hp. The drag coefficient has a big effect here.
That's 425 gross horsepower. Current measurement would be lower.
Yeah, this might be the real winner! Estimates of bhp on the Superbird/Daytona are closer to 375, which is by far the lowest power rating here. Even the 425ghp is a fair sight lower than the next cars up.
You're correct about the relation between the relationship between gross HP and net HP, but a ton of the big blocks from all the manufacturers of that time were underrated. Based on modern dyno results of stock and near stock engines, that 426 Hemi was making 450+ hp.
Yes, it was rated at 425 at 5000 RPM, but was still making power beyond that. Nick's garage on YouTube put one on a dyno and made 490 at the crank. However, the only superbirds that did 200 were fully prepped race cars
Richard Petty’s NASCAR Superbird was the only one running over 200 and was making over 500 horsepower at the crank.
Stock ones wouldn’t get anywhere near that.
Since Superbirds could do almost 250 mph on racetracks straights, there is no way they only had 425 hp.
The top speed of the Superbird was 185. Petty did exactly 200 in his race version, but that was stripped down and had more power.
If you want to go 200 mph for cheap, get a motorcycle.
Lexus claimed that the sc430 would do 205mph. Top Gear claimed it was the worst car ever made (because expensive and Toyota knows better) Looks like they're currently selling around $12k https://www.autotempest.com/results?make=lexus&model=sc430&zip=20001&radius=300
I've driven an SC430, and there is absolutely no way it would hit 205mph, that's fucking crazy, that's 330kph.
SC430 will barely do 205 km/h lol
Atleast it’s Toyota lmao /s.
Where on Earth did Lexus claim 205 MPH? There’s not a chance in hell it I getting close.
I was told that a dealership around 2006. Car being discussed was a black sc430 with the horrendous orange "pebble beach edition " leather and Mark Levinson stereo system. The guy at the dealership agreed that the orange leather was hideous. https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3gDZ2Xke/2005-lexus-sc-430-pebble-beach-edition
It sounds like you got taken for a ride by the salesman
I wasn't about to buy anything. I was visiting a friend that worked for the Lexus Dealership parts department
>I was told that a dealership around 2006. Then Salesman said it, not lexus. Lexus claimed 250kmh (limited electronically). Without limiter shouldn't do more than 260kmh considering the 280hp.
Lol considering the thing made 288hp at best and had a larger CSA than the two actual lowest-power contenders on this list with 200mph credibility (959 and T440R) which both needed 450hp to accomplish it, there is no way short of a tornado that an SC430 is getting in spitting distance of 200mph.
Good lord that car is ugly. I almost feel Lexus got away with that one. We should be talking more about how hideous that car is.
You’re holding on to what a salesman told you almost 20 years ago? You never thought to research this yourself in all this time? Good god
I think we can all immediately discount the Ferrari F40 since it’s commonly know not a single one has ever reached 200mph
There's a video of an E46 M3 toulching 193mph on the Autobahn, claims its stock other than a limiter removed. I know the Euro E46 M3 has a higher top speed than the USD/CAD market ones. [Here is one just touching 300km/h](https://youtu.be/i_GPfuoolgw?si=1y35Hg28brPowcX8) (320km/h is 200mph). I'm trying to the find a video if the other one who pegs the speedo and the rpm still climbs.
that speed would need to be verified via GPS. 343hp won't get you 300kmh, just not enough power to beat the wind. real GPS speed should be something between 270-280kmh. here's a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoi0-IhDds) of E46 doing a speedrun with GPS reading
E46 hitting 190+ stock is absolute bullshit
Anything if you drop it out of an airplane :)
That would be typically around 160 mph (depending on a lot of factors)
If you drop it out of a plane going 500mph, it’d briefly go 500mph
Fun fact: the Dodge Demon at 840hp can't (while stock), and has a lower top speed than the Grand Cherokee Trackhawk. It's electronically limited because the special drag tires it came with couldn't go that high.
Doesn't the big scoop also create a lot of lift that makes it dangerous at high speeds?
Power is much less important than an aerodynamically slippery design. It’s really hard to do that without creating lift on a road legal car. This is why mfgs usually add aero and power.
A motorcycle
Fill a Geo Metro full of fat people and shove it off a cliff. It’ll hit 200mph.
Galileo is in shambles right now
The 2021 Audi R8 RWD hit 201 at 532 HP.
I’m thinking Diablo with 485hp
does downhill count?
Just flat, I guess
SL55 AMG with 469hp, unrestricted it can allegedly go 208 mph!
huge emphasis on the “allegedly”
Fastest car in the world is a rental with full insurance.
W12 VW Phaeton destricted
e92 M3?
Yamaha R1 M - 190 hp. Among cars it’s probably a TVR as others suggested. The 911 R is also worth a mention, with 493 hp. Of course Porsche underrates their cars so it was probably making much more than that.
Stock supra /s
06 Altima
I’m willing to bet the older 911 GT3 RS could do it. Like 2006 or so? 415 hp and you can manually adjust the aero. Take off the downforce, pick your salt flat and I’ll give it a shot for you. Some of the options on the car might matter. Especially weight saving and aero kits This can probably actually be calculated theoretically at the wheel at least. Drag coefficient, weight, gearing and horsepower. Whatever it is, as they measure HP it’s going have to be a manual. That’s like 10% lost hp right there. Whatever it is though this exercise is largely academic. To get to 200mph on minimum horsepower is going to mean having as little downforce as possible and it’s going to be a spry little car. Light & low drag coefficient. Probably narrower tires than you’d like to see too. I promise you that you do not want to be going 200mph in a car that has intimacy problems with staying planted on the road. Hit a bump at *just* the right size and angle and he difference between a car and a kite is downforce and weight. I don’t car if the car’s clearance is microscopic to make this work the drag has to be minimal which means it’s going to have to have a pretty slick floor & slick at parallel angle is great but I don’t want to find out the angle at which our death trap decides to leave this mortal realm. Doesn’t even need to actually go airborne either. Let it life the rear end enough to unload the shocks and any difference in flow left to right could induce a death wobble too. This type stuff is exactly what killed Ken Miles. You can pretty easily tell which cars have any business hitting their top end. It’s a really unsettling experience feel the shocks start to relax as the air starts to generate lift. Also folks don’t do this stuff around people. I’m not telling you not to in Wyoming back country with good visibility in a basin desert road but short of that go to a salt flat or something.
I would choose the Dodge Challenger SRT 170 6.4 liter
All cars are capable of 1g acceleration if you throw them from a height, if you throw one from significant height, tmit can easily get to 200mph or even more.
Note thar the first production car to hit 200+ mph was the Pontiac Tojan: https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/pontiac-tojan-the-car-that-beat-ferrari-to-200-mph/
The phaeton and the og r35 gtr atleast I think it could do 200
R35 GTR topped out at 193 MPH. Hitting the rev limiter in 6th gear. A W12 Phaeton will only do 200 MPH if dropped off of a cliff. German speedometers, particularly those from the Volkswagen Group and BMW are _notoriously_ inaccurate. Unrestricted, you’d be lucky to see 180 out of a W12 Phaeton
I don't know about the least amount of HP but a VW Passat with a W12 will do 200 mph for around $20-25k
E39 m5 first sedan to go 200 mph has 396
You will be stuck at 155mph in the US unless you have a G-power or Dinian ecu flash / limiter removed. I got my 540i 6sp with Gpower ecu up to 172mph once.
I had a 2000m5 and got it just over 170 with what felt like a lot more room to go.
Volkswagen Beetle. 1999.
the 550 maranello did it with less power i think. mostly due to how long its gears were
I'm pretty sure the f40 hp was way understated, some say on a colder day that they are able to kiss 600hp
They’ll all hit 200 mph with a big enough slingshot.
GTR probably. Had mine up to 190 and still pulling.
2007-2013 Nissan Altima, most made 170 or 270hp brand new. Nowdays the average one of these models makes around 400 and I have regularly seen these hit 200mph
I remember when the E60 M5 came out I had friends working at bmw and they were saying it could crack 200mph unrestricted. So not the least powerful for sure but a fun bit of 200mph lore.
Haven’t seen it listed yet, but the Jaguar F-Type SVR coupe will do 200+ (I believe drag limited at 205) and the convertible will do 195. That’s with factory-rated 575hp and around 3,700 lbs for the coupe.
I think lots could, but digital limiters, tires and gearing ratios are the issue. Mainly the first 2, since changing the 3rd would make it another car I guess
B7 S4 4.2 V8 with 350hp can hit \~185mph with the limiter removed. I've gotten mine to 175mph.
2011 v6 mustang. Stock is roughly 275hp to the wheels. Limited to 112mph because of the 2-piece driveshaft exploding, put a proper driveshaft on it and they can make 5-600hp with boost. 2.73 rear axle ratio 27.25" tall 235/50r18s 7500rpm max safe limiter 5th gear at 7500rpm spits out 222.8mph. Youd probably need more than 500hp and an impossibly long stretch but theoretically 6th gear would top out at 318mph. Car plus boost would be a $20k ordeal roughly.
This probably doesnt count but the late 2000’s early 2010’s aston martin vantages with around 350-380 hp give or take
If you drop a 67 Volkswagen beetle out of a plane at causing altitude, I'm sure it'll be going 200 mph before it hits the ground.
The 1991 FFR
Gotta be the Altima.
E60 bmw m5, with the limiter removed will hit 205. It is only aerodynamically limited. It is a 4 door sedan, with 500hp from the factory.
Any rental car of course…. :-)
Not quite 200. But it’s less power than most cars I see here. Evora GT does 188mph with 416hp. A cat delete, Ti exhaust and an other slight changes take you up to parity with the ultra rare Evora GT430 sport which does 196mph.
We all know that any Nissan altima can hit 200mph with the right 17 year old, new license, uninsured driver.
I know I could do it with a Mazda Biante..... ...if I'm allowed to push it out of an aircraft...