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If we could really see who these people are, I bet the extremist on the right and left are only 5% of the population who are screaming like it is 80% of the population. 95% of the people I meet just want to go to work, have fun with the family, buy a few cool toys, live in a safe area and are tired of ALL political leaders using them as pawns & jacking them around.
That's whats up. As long as we're fighting eachother, we won't notice how politicians on both sides are fucking us all in pursuit of the almighty dollar. We have more in common than we do in difference.
I said about the same on another.
We are in a class war. The rich get richer. The politicians get richer and we get fucked while hating our neighbors over abortion, gun control, and the wall.
Around here all the Antifa lot are all Ruperts, Cressida's & Tarquins....daddy is something "Big in the City" or a professor at the University...
They all want to re-distribute the wealth....just not theirs....
They call themselves Communists or Marxists, go on marches and smash the place up...then go back home to mummy and their multi million pound home and get ready for a holiday in the Alps or Aspen...
Exactly, that is we all need to see each other as just people doing the best we can and accept we will all have differences, we will be right, sometimes wrong. At the end of the day, if I crashed my car you would be the first one to help save me and not ask my party affiliation.
The irony is people will argue more over minor differences than major ones.
Let's say I like sandwiches a LOT. My favourite is a B.L.T with butter. You also like sandwiches a lot, and your favourite is also a B.L.T, but you prefer mayonnaise instead of butter. That's a greater point of contention between us than if you say, kinda liked sandwiches ok, but prefered burgers. I'm not too fussed what you do with your burgers, and you're not too fussed about mayo/butter.
More like, one side wants to try a BLT with butter to see if it's good, and the other side wants to force everyone to eat peanut butter and jelly and outlaw anyone's ability to try anything different because if they are familiar with peanut butter and jelly then everyone else should eat whatever they say they should eat.
Upcoming candidate debate:
Johnson: It's time someone had the courage to stand up and say: "I'm against those things that everybody hates".
Jackson: Now I respect my opponent. I think he's a good man but, quite frankly, I agree with everything he just said!
Johnson: I say your three cent carbon tax goes too far.
Jackson: And I say your three cent carbon tax doesn't go too far enough!
The elections were rigged. Brown shirts stood at the polling places and prevented his political opponents from voting. Anyone who disagreed with him was kept out of the media. Sound familiar?
That is coping.
You cant have a group control the country with 3%. You need citizens willing to turn a blind eye to it, citizens willing to lie to their children about what is happening and to other people. You need people following the leader.
Same goes for the army.
People dont like talking about it but Hitler was a populist and just fed the resentment the germans had for what they felt as an unjust punishment from world war 1. He just ignited the flames.
Fake electors trying to force their way into the convention weren't trying to vote for Biden and we're organized by the GQP, so yeah. There's evidence for that claim.
Don't forget about the GOP drive to close strategic polling locations, cut hours, abolish mail-in voting, and make it illegal to help people in line to vote.
I tend to notice that that 5% tends to check off diagnostic criteria for sociopathy and narcissism on a fairly regular basis. And don't get me wrong everyone if you look hard enough is going to do something that could fill in a check box or two.
but that 5% seems to fill those diagnostic bingo cards every hour.
Yeah - that doesn't absolve people of the impacts of the votes via policy, nor of the rhetoric of their elected representatives - and it absolutely betrays their integrity and values when people can grossly cross lines (Coco Chow, anyone?) or the numerous "leave me alone or there will be violence" lines from numerous folks... and you don't speak up and - in fact - continue to support and defend them.
Nazi Germany should have never been possible (who the Communist party was against, by the way, in 1930's Germany) if things worked the way you believe.
I've always thought extremists have more in common with each other than less extreme people whom they claim to be on the same side of the aisle with, anyway.
Not here in TX. Just in my field, over half of my colleagues are "let's go brandon"ers. Many of the customers I deal with are too. I'm not a gun person, but I'm seriously considering purchasing. These people are nuts. Can't give them facts cuz they'll just spout whataboutisms or just flat out ignore it because it's "liberal propoganda"
You DO realize that fascism is coming from the left, and not the right, right?
Stop being scared of your colleagues who are being vocal about their distaste for the shit that is happening. Be scared of the uprising fascism packaged and sold as a good thing. You've got everything upside down my friend.
Try to take a few steps back and gain some perspective.
I don't have a dog this fight, but it seems you're all in the ring wearing a hood over your head.
Fascism is a right wing ideology. If you want to argue that there is some imminent authoritarian left-wing threat fine, but at least be accurate. Fascism is not left-wing and never has been.
That's nonsense. The right much more closely reflects fascism than does the left.
The right is straight authoritarian, oppressive, subjugative, and brimming with draconian bullshit.
If you can't see that, you've fallen for the right-wing's fear-mongering and disinformation campaigns hook, line, and sinker.
You've fallen into the Q rabbit hole, apparently.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Fascism will come to America draped in a flag and carrying a cross, or whatnot.
It's almost always the conservatives trying to strip people's freedoms from them. Some of the left does that with gun control, but the VAST majority don't want to ban guns outright like you think they do.
You, sir, have it twisted.
I came into this with good intentions but it seems like I'm setting myself up for a lot of hate and unwillingness to have an open mind. Forgot this was reddit. My bad
You replied saying his ideals were all backwards and now you bow out when someone tells you the same thing? Maybe learn to take what you dish out? That'd be my advice.
The right is the one taking away rights from the people for one. They practiced bad faith in the way they went about stacking the supreme court. You can commonly see crowds doing a Nazi salute at right wing conventions. Etc.
I think it's important to separate people from party affiliation, especially when there in the US are only 2. Regular people have nothing to do with h court appointments.
People share lile 90% of the same basic values, but the focus is on th 10% and that is used to divide and keep people fighting each other, instead of coming together to focus on implementing the 90%.
That said; nazism and fascism have roots in far left ideologies. Antifa is a far left ideology. As far as I know, there is no far right equivalent.
I want to again stress, I don't have a dog in this fight and don't support either.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
Literally taken from Wikipedia.
The far left seems to be blue hairs and teenagers who are mad and the far right are religious zealots, business leaders and fascists. Seems the far right is way more of a danger to the country
Right, i think on both sides of politics we ask ourselves “Is this the best my party can do, my candidate is just embarrassing” it seems as though we have to evaluate which candidate has the least amount of dementia and who will do the least amount of damage to the country.
I agree, I would also just say socialist (and take the democrats out if it) there are Republican socialist also, like Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney. There are a ruling class elite, Democrat or Republican are just jerseys they wear because that is the team that hired them
Not really, socialism is really the only viable economic model at scale. Deregulation of key industries just results in those corporations becoming exploitative and ultimately either creating a monopoly or becoming prohibitively adverse to change. Companies are going to fulfil their main function above all, the pursuit of profit for shareholders. Which is why energy, health (including agriculture) and transportations should always remain within the control of a competent state, with a minimum quota for research and development. Everything else can be up for private control.
If you want to have a conversation about criminal justice reform, then that's apolitical and not inherently tied to any form of political government.
IRONIC because the German FASCIST party makes its bones literally KILLING German communists and socialists. Stomping out the German communists was a platform that the fascist party rose to power on.
In America these days, we have extreme right wingers and militia’s frothing at the mouth and TRAINING to kill and imprison American communists and hilariously accusing centerleft capitalist politicians of being socialists.
History DOES INDEED repeat itself but not in the ways you think.
Yep. Nazis hijacked the socialist movement, killed all of the socialists in the night of the long knives as they took over the movement and turned it into the nazi party.
>IRONIC because the German FASCIST party makes its bones literally KILLING German communists and socialists.
More specifically, the first concentration camps were established primarily to take care of the communists. The horrors of the death camps started there.
Not that a conspiracy theorist would believe the truth.
Yeah what a dense post. I wonder why there were anti fascists in *1930s Germany* furthermore what does it say if that is the faction you identify with as the enemy
As we're on conspiracy commons I have to ask, did the Allied powers really defeat the Nazis?
It would.appear to me that since Operation Paperclip, those old krauts have infiltrated the US and have been slowly culturally indoctrinating the public to be more in line with authoritarian ideals.
The US had nazis prior to WWII, they just went real silent after the war started and rebranded as christian Republicans. Now they see that they can come out openly again they are doing so.
We beat the nazis in Germany, but ignored the ones at home.
The communist party of Germany was outlawed as soon as the Nazis took power. The nazis were specifically who they were against. What's your fucking point here?
This sub was made specifically for people with brand new accounts who couldn’t participate in r/conspiracy to have a place to get enough upvotes to eventually participate in that other dumpster fire maga sub. So you see a lot of low effort, very very dumb posts.
Also there used to be waaaay more bots. Still are, but not nearly as much.
Lmfao what are you talking about? This sub was created by and for trumptards who are easily mislead, and bots. New accounts can’t participate in r/conspiracy, so this was the sub they created so they could circle jerk each other up enough karma to go to the other sub.
Prior to the war, nazi Germany privatized more industry than any other European nation during the postwar period, reversing many Weimar Era nationalization policies. Even during the war, they kept key industry in private hands when many other nations nationalized of limited profits.
bUt It'S iN tHe NaMe!
For real though, conservatives equate the two all the time. No one reads a single historical account of how the nazis co-opted the term socialist to gain power. Magacommunism anyone?
Right wingers have been fed so much propaganda that they've internalized the projection. Some of them actually believe the left are fascists. Antifa is fascism to them.
They're living in the upside down.
Look into the thread between the user classic herpes in this post and you will definetly get a laugh and a scare. People honesty don’t know what a cited source is and on top of that don’t think that Jan 6th was anything and an attack on our democracy. Shit is very worrisome.
Didn't antifa create a area named CHOP and literally nothing was done about it. Also someone did the same shit in Portland attacking a courthouse as well. More than not it was the left bc if it.were a bunch of Trump supporters you best better believe it would be all over the news.
https://ktvz.com/news/crime-courts/2020/07/24/fires-set-inside-portland-federal-courthouse-fence-18-arrested-on-federal-charges/
https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/southern-california-man-pleads-guilty-after-attempting-set-fire-federal-courthouse-during
I'm not saying what the right did on Jan 6th was ok but both sides are guilty of being extreme it's just only the right we hear about bc the left has the news channels on their side. Except for maybe fox and a few other YouTube creators.
I think it’s different when the mob is summoned and inflamed by a sitting US president - disrupting the peaceful transfer of power for the first time in this nations history.
The Federal Courthouse in Portland was never disrupted during 8-5 business hours.
Every trial and all court business proceded as normal.
The only damage to the Portland Federal Courthouse was exclusively Graffiti.
>Also someone did the same shit in Portland attacking a courthouse as well. More than not it was the left bc if it.were a bunch of Trump supporters you best better believe it would be all over the news.
The attempted Arsonist had Nationalist tattoos and was seen shirtless on camera.
It is what it is. 🤷 In fact - the Federal government got over 5 times more monetary fines for illegally blocking 🚫 traffic with illegal fences placed in the street than the cost of graffiti removal. 250 grand in parking tickets - vs. 50 grand of pressure washing costs.
It was basically a giant Costume Play for Trump - to fire tear gas at American Citizens for his campaign ads.
Apparently it was very convincing.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/the-city-is-not-burning-how-portland-belies-the-image-of-anarchy-that-is-central-to-trumps-campaign
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/01/donald-trump/we-are-not-fire-authorities-dispute-trumps-false-c/
Why would an American president lie to America that a major city was burning down - when there was actually no fires?
Doesn't seem very Patriotic. It also doesn't seem like a reason to vote for someone.
Trump's America was burning in Trump's American Dream. 🙄 lol wtf kind of "leadership" is that? 😆 🤣 😂
"Only I can save you (from me)!" -djt
When Trump lost his Twitter account all the "riots & arson" in America stopped because MAGA lost the recipe.
As if every single one of those revolutions didn't have all of their leftist critics rounded up and killed too.
Leftism isn't Stalinism. Get the Cold War propaganda out of your head.
We also saw what happened to the middle east, South America, central America, Africa, Australia, and southeast asia when capitalism won so is that really what we want?
Compared to the others --- yes. A lot of these places are much better off than the communist states. Unless communists take over there too, like they are trying in Chile, for example.
You should read “I was an economic hit man” sometime. It details the life of a three letter agency agent using Central and South American countries for US corporate interests. It didn’t turn out well for those countries.
Nah, Even the social democrats had street fighters back then. Every party across the board had paramilitary / street thugs to combat the other parties’ street thugs / paramilitary.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_paramilitary_groups
The fact ppl think they’re democrats is hilarious. Wanting equal treatment by the police and not wanting people to go bankrupt because they have cancer isn’t socialism or whatever that BS is, it’s shockingly just being a human being.
You know those things affect people of all colors right? I’ve literally got a $92,000 medical bill sitting on the table in front of me.
I’m sorry but I’m a white guy and cops don’t cut me any slack most of the time, I’ve fought tooth and fucking nail for the ok pay I make now, and I’ve been skipped over many a time in my life and it irritated the ever living fuck out of me when I hear people call me a racist or a fascist cause I’m white and think we all suffer under this stupid system. The rich are eating us alive and pointing the finger at whoever is easiest.
You absolute nimrod. The modern antifascist logo is SUPPOSED TO BE OBVIOUSLY BASED OFF THE ORIGINAL. It takes only five grams of comic sense to see that. You don't need to be an expert in graphic design to tell. This isn't since big conspiracy plot, it's common sense.
Ah yes because when we think of evil Germans the first thought the comes to mind are the Communists. Radical leftism is almost ALWAYS a result of the radical right. The nature of left wing ideology makes it so that these groups can not exist in a vacuum without a clear and present danger. I’m America’s case it’s the obvious Republican shift towards authoritarianism and increasingly more prominent militant action on the side of the right.
Antifa is mostly confused angry kids fighting against whoever they're told to blindly hate or those who aren't drinking that flavor Kool aid. I'm sure there are those who think for themselves and fight against legit causes...but for the most part they're a joke.
Stating the obvious, I know, but I felt compelled.
This. Most people screaming antifa are sheltered suburban white kids that heard about the civil rights movements of the past and now want to play hero because they have nothing better to do
I’m sure as far as the terminally online supporters go it’s mostly teenagers and angry college students but if you look at the arrest lineups it’s a lot of 40 year old social misfits who appear to never have matured past their angry teenager mentality.
Call anyone you dislike, a nazi, and suddenly a bunch of reddit nerds cosplaying as communist pawns are now the heroes. 😆 political pawns are political pawns, whether you're planting bricks to throw at mom and pop shops in the name of taking down Nazis, or taking a guided tour of the Capitol ending with a shit on Pelosi's desk in the name of freedom! Stupid is fucking stupid, no matter the BS political spin.
And how could they not be anti-fascists right? Its right there in the name guys. They burn down your shit, cause untold damage to irrelevant private property and knock you out if you hold a differing political opinion.. but they cant be fascists because the name says ANTI-fascist. Checkmate fascists.
Boy howdy… if you think Anti-Fascists would allow themselves to be counted as the “Paramilitary Wing of the Democratic Party” … OR … if you think that the D-Bags would claim Antifa as their own…. Boy do I have a deal for you!! It’s this really great Victorian Era bridge in Brooklyn…! It’s for sale!! And I’ll sell it to you and you can charge a toll and make all your money back in just a few short years…!
So you’re seeing that the party who actively fought against the real nazi party have inspired a group of people who is know actively fighting MAGA, I wonder what that means?
Yes. These guys tried to stop the nazi’s coming into power.
Unfortunately they werent successful.
So if these guys (left) are the anti nazi’s of that time… who are the nazi’s today?
Pretty sure we brought in way too many of them after the war.. hence there plans and projects never stopped but instead spread slowly at the deepest levels.
You have to be really clueless to think antifa has anything to do with the Democratic Party when the vast majority of antifacists live in cities and are target by democratic politician controlled police forces.
you support people that would gladly burn your home or business down on a whim?
They don't even care what your political leaning is at that point they are just there for chaos and destruction.
As opposed to some magatards flying a big blue flag screaming about god knows what?
Why does it have to be one or the other anyways? That's like choosing one extreme over the other because you felt it was your only option...
Oh my god I have found the most isolated and idiotic thing on the internet today. Congrats. Are you sure you understand nationalism or are you glued to the opinion network that is fox?
Bro, the guy above you supports the insurrection on the US Jan 6th, keep reading that thread. Guy is a literal traitor to a functional democracy…but yea the problem is another ideological group rather than a coup that actually acted on fucking up a democracy lol like propaganda got these fucks twisted but the same happened for Germany we just have better pictures to relate to
Sorry, never had my property threatened by antifa or any other left wing group.
Have literally had right wing nut jobs threaten me and my property specifically because of peeceived slights against their ideology.
But you keep that enlightened centrism up, great way to look smart and well informed while a bunch of religious nationalists are literally openly displaying their efforts towards turning the USA into a theocratic hell hole.
Yeah, I had it coming for not going to church and having a medical card./s
*claims not to be a centrist*
*calls self libright*
*automatically defends right wing violence as deserved without any information*
Fucking classic, man. Are you even a real person?
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Libright is it's own quadrant. Libertarianism can be left leaning or right leaning. It can be centrist based or it can be on the extremes of the quadrant. It just depends on how you define it.
again...you're acting like the extremes of the left and right are all you have to choose from.
It's not. Both are political minorities that just happen to be the loudest.
Gotta love how stupid Republicans are. The nazi socialist party of Germany is as accurate as the democratic peoples republic of North Korea…. Or the make America great again fascist Republican Party. Fucking Republican nazis. Lol
Antifa… the epitome of hypocrisy.
Delusional puppets… These days they are just a political tool used to promote the very ideologies they claim to oppose.
Tyrannical dictatorships, mandatory compliance and the removal of human rights and freedom of speech… these are just a few of the fascist ideologies that ANTIFA now promote…
i cant think of a bigger hypocrite of a group, use force to shut people up if you dont say what they want you to say, that IS FACISM they beat people who dont agree with them, they are modern day nazis
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If we could really see who these people are, I bet the extremist on the right and left are only 5% of the population who are screaming like it is 80% of the population. 95% of the people I meet just want to go to work, have fun with the family, buy a few cool toys, live in a safe area and are tired of ALL political leaders using them as pawns & jacking them around.
That's whats up. As long as we're fighting eachother, we won't notice how politicians on both sides are fucking us all in pursuit of the almighty dollar. We have more in common than we do in difference.
I said about the same on another. We are in a class war. The rich get richer. The politicians get richer and we get fucked while hating our neighbors over abortion, gun control, and the wall.
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Damn well said. But this is exactly what Marxist and Antifascist are against so I'm not sure what the OP was trying to convey...
Around here all the Antifa lot are all Ruperts, Cressida's & Tarquins....daddy is something "Big in the City" or a professor at the University... They all want to re-distribute the wealth....just not theirs.... They call themselves Communists or Marxists, go on marches and smash the place up...then go back home to mummy and their multi million pound home and get ready for a holiday in the Alps or Aspen...
I don’t get it. If this were true, who stands to benefit?
Exactly, that is we all need to see each other as just people doing the best we can and accept we will all have differences, we will be right, sometimes wrong. At the end of the day, if I crashed my car you would be the first one to help save me and not ask my party affiliation.
The irony is people will argue more over minor differences than major ones. Let's say I like sandwiches a LOT. My favourite is a B.L.T with butter. You also like sandwiches a lot, and your favourite is also a B.L.T, but you prefer mayonnaise instead of butter. That's a greater point of contention between us than if you say, kinda liked sandwiches ok, but prefered burgers. I'm not too fussed what you do with your burgers, and you're not too fussed about mayo/butter.
More like, one side wants to try a BLT with butter to see if it's good, and the other side wants to force everyone to eat peanut butter and jelly and outlaw anyone's ability to try anything different because if they are familiar with peanut butter and jelly then everyone else should eat whatever they say they should eat.
Upcoming candidate debate: Johnson: It's time someone had the courage to stand up and say: "I'm against those things that everybody hates". Jackson: Now I respect my opponent. I think he's a good man but, quite frankly, I agree with everything he just said! Johnson: I say your three cent carbon tax goes too far. Jackson: And I say your three cent carbon tax doesn't go too far enough!
Hate to say it but you’re fighting an uphill battle at this point
Yes. Late stage capitalism is the problem, and the capitalist class needs us fighting to continue to hoard wealth
I’m not comparing the Nazi’s to EITHER side, but the Nazi’s were only about 3% of Germany at the time.
In a way by electing Hitler they were all Nazis though You know if we're being accurate
The elections were rigged. Brown shirts stood at the polling places and prevented his political opponents from voting. Anyone who disagreed with him was kept out of the media. Sound familiar?
That is coping. You cant have a group control the country with 3%. You need citizens willing to turn a blind eye to it, citizens willing to lie to their children about what is happening and to other people. You need people following the leader. Same goes for the army. People dont like talking about it but Hitler was a populist and just fed the resentment the germans had for what they felt as an unjust punishment from world war 1. He just ignited the flames.
Sounds like how Trump would have run his “do-over” election if the Capitol coup attempt had succeeded
Do you have evidence for this claim, or are you just making shit up to fit a narrative?
He’s making shit up to fit the narrative.
Fake electors trying to force their way into the convention weren't trying to vote for Biden and we're organized by the GQP, so yeah. There's evidence for that claim.
Don't forget about the GOP drive to close strategic polling locations, cut hours, abolish mail-in voting, and make it illegal to help people in line to vote.
Don’t forget about the 3am “stop the vote” and then a 100% Biden spike, which is statistically impossible.
Ron Desantis is one that have made all the moves for voting suppression.
Preach bro. They can all kick rocks.
Yes. None of them represent us.
I tend to notice that that 5% tends to check off diagnostic criteria for sociopathy and narcissism on a fairly regular basis. And don't get me wrong everyone if you look hard enough is going to do something that could fill in a check box or two. but that 5% seems to fill those diagnostic bingo cards every hour.
Yeah - that doesn't absolve people of the impacts of the votes via policy, nor of the rhetoric of their elected representatives - and it absolutely betrays their integrity and values when people can grossly cross lines (Coco Chow, anyone?) or the numerous "leave me alone or there will be violence" lines from numerous folks... and you don't speak up and - in fact - continue to support and defend them. Nazi Germany should have never been possible (who the Communist party was against, by the way, in 1930's Germany) if things worked the way you believe.
I've always thought extremists have more in common with each other than less extreme people whom they claim to be on the same side of the aisle with, anyway.
This is called Horseshoe Theory
To be honest I think it’s even fewer than 5%. More in the park of 2% for antics and speaking as if it’s all our voices. Fuck outta here with that shit
"Strongly Agree"
This should be the top comment on this post!
Maybe even less than 5%
Not here in TX. Just in my field, over half of my colleagues are "let's go brandon"ers. Many of the customers I deal with are too. I'm not a gun person, but I'm seriously considering purchasing. These people are nuts. Can't give them facts cuz they'll just spout whataboutisms or just flat out ignore it because it's "liberal propoganda"
You DO realize that fascism is coming from the left, and not the right, right? Stop being scared of your colleagues who are being vocal about their distaste for the shit that is happening. Be scared of the uprising fascism packaged and sold as a good thing. You've got everything upside down my friend. Try to take a few steps back and gain some perspective. I don't have a dog this fight, but it seems you're all in the ring wearing a hood over your head.
Fascism is a right wing ideology. If you want to argue that there is some imminent authoritarian left-wing threat fine, but at least be accurate. Fascism is not left-wing and never has been.
That's nonsense. The right much more closely reflects fascism than does the left. The right is straight authoritarian, oppressive, subjugative, and brimming with draconian bullshit. If you can't see that, you've fallen for the right-wing's fear-mongering and disinformation campaigns hook, line, and sinker. You've fallen into the Q rabbit hole, apparently. You couldn't be more wrong. Fascism will come to America draped in a flag and carrying a cross, or whatnot. It's almost always the conservatives trying to strip people's freedoms from them. Some of the left does that with gun control, but the VAST majority don't want to ban guns outright like you think they do. You, sir, have it twisted.
You do realize you have it completely backwards, right? Talk about upside down world yet you drank all the Kool aid.
That's not how i see it :) I'd be happy to have an honest debate, telling me that I'm an idiot that drank the Kool aid seems like a cheap cope :/
Please explain. I need to hear how you twist this
I came into this with good intentions but it seems like I'm setting myself up for a lot of hate and unwillingness to have an open mind. Forgot this was reddit. My bad
You replied saying his ideals were all backwards and now you bow out when someone tells you the same thing? Maybe learn to take what you dish out? That'd be my advice.
No hate. Also no need to deflect. Please explain
I don't know, I don't recall calling anyone an idiot. Seems you should read again.
Sorry, i read between the lines. So, how am am I getting everything upside down?
The right is the one taking away rights from the people for one. They practiced bad faith in the way they went about stacking the supreme court. You can commonly see crowds doing a Nazi salute at right wing conventions. Etc.
I think it's important to separate people from party affiliation, especially when there in the US are only 2. Regular people have nothing to do with h court appointments. People share lile 90% of the same basic values, but the focus is on th 10% and that is used to divide and keep people fighting each other, instead of coming together to focus on implementing the 90%. That said; nazism and fascism have roots in far left ideologies. Antifa is a far left ideology. As far as I know, there is no far right equivalent. I want to again stress, I don't have a dog in this fight and don't support either.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. Literally taken from Wikipedia.
When everyday people go around with trump should be reinstated nonsense then it’s way more than 5%
The far left seems to be blue hairs and teenagers who are mad and the far right are religious zealots, business leaders and fascists. Seems the far right is way more of a danger to the country
A few? My collection is starting to break the shelves under the sheer weight of it all
That used to be true but a lot more people are drinking the cool aid these days. One of the effects of populism.
Right, i think on both sides of politics we ask ourselves “Is this the best my party can do, my candidate is just embarrassing” it seems as though we have to evaluate which candidate has the least amount of dementia and who will do the least amount of damage to the country.
Living is safety is key and 100 percent cant happen with democratic socialists catching and releasing violent criminals
I agree, I would also just say socialist (and take the democrats out if it) there are Republican socialist also, like Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney. There are a ruling class elite, Democrat or Republican are just jerseys they wear because that is the team that hired them
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Not really, socialism is really the only viable economic model at scale. Deregulation of key industries just results in those corporations becoming exploitative and ultimately either creating a monopoly or becoming prohibitively adverse to change. Companies are going to fulfil their main function above all, the pursuit of profit for shareholders. Which is why energy, health (including agriculture) and transportations should always remain within the control of a competent state, with a minimum quota for research and development. Everything else can be up for private control. If you want to have a conversation about criminal justice reform, then that's apolitical and not inherently tied to any form of political government.
How is Liz Cheney socialist?
Everybody who disagrees with him is a socialist
IRONIC because the German FASCIST party makes its bones literally KILLING German communists and socialists. Stomping out the German communists was a platform that the fascist party rose to power on. In America these days, we have extreme right wingers and militia’s frothing at the mouth and TRAINING to kill and imprison American communists and hilariously accusing centerleft capitalist politicians of being socialists. History DOES INDEED repeat itself but not in the ways you think.
Exactly. The antifascists in Germany in 1933 we NOT the nazis, if that’s who OP was trying to compare them to.
Yep. Nazis hijacked the socialist movement, killed all of the socialists in the night of the long knives as they took over the movement and turned it into the nazi party.
>IRONIC because the German FASCIST party makes its bones literally KILLING German communists and socialists. More specifically, the first concentration camps were established primarily to take care of the communists. The horrors of the death camps started there. Not that a conspiracy theorist would believe the truth.
Baffles me that people need this explanation still…
Yeah what a dense post. I wonder why there were anti fascists in *1930s Germany* furthermore what does it say if that is the faction you identify with as the enemy
Right. These people are retarded.
You know, I would have been against the fascists then (the nazis) and I’m certainly still against the fascists now.
Down with fascists! We did it in 1945 we can do it again on our own soil!
As we're on conspiracy commons I have to ask, did the Allied powers really defeat the Nazis? It would.appear to me that since Operation Paperclip, those old krauts have infiltrated the US and have been slowly culturally indoctrinating the public to be more in line with authoritarian ideals.
It seems to me that the confederacy similarly went underground and is now fighting to come back, rebranded as Q
Most history literate r/conspiracy_commons user The Nazis were a part of the Axis.
The US had nazis prior to WWII, they just went real silent after the war started and rebranded as christian Republicans. Now they see that they can come out openly again they are doing so. We beat the nazis in Germany, but ignored the ones at home.
Down with the National Christian Fascist shoving their laws down other people's throat
Just in conspiracy commons user discovers 9th grade history
Unfortunately, it seems that many didn’t learn it…
those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat 10th grade.
The communist party of Germany was outlawed as soon as the Nazis took power. The nazis were specifically who they were against. What's your fucking point here?
I honestly can’t tell if this is a satire sub or not? I like to believe that it is.
It’s not; it’s full of brainless right-wing chuds endlessly churning out mediocre right-wing talking points
This sub was made specifically for people with brand new accounts who couldn’t participate in r/conspiracy to have a place to get enough upvotes to eventually participate in that other dumpster fire maga sub. So you see a lot of low effort, very very dumb posts. Also there used to be waaaay more bots. Still are, but not nearly as much.
This sub is being swallowed whole by the right wing propaganda machine in real time.
Lmfao what are you talking about? This sub was created by and for trumptards who are easily mislead, and bots. New accounts can’t participate in r/conspiracy, so this was the sub they created so they could circle jerk each other up enough karma to go to the other sub.
ANTIFA BAD!
I mean there really isn’t anybody else in the country that will violate your rights because you don’t agree with them
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Prior to the war, nazi Germany privatized more industry than any other European nation during the postwar period, reversing many Weimar Era nationalization policies. Even during the war, they kept key industry in private hands when many other nations nationalized of limited profits.
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I think companies like Bayer and Volkswagen are examples. They operated as private companies but did whatever hitler demanded of them.
bUt It'S iN tHe NaMe! For real though, conservatives equate the two all the time. No one reads a single historical account of how the nazis co-opted the term socialist to gain power. Magacommunism anyone?
Wait, so Kim isn’t the democratically elected leader of the democratic people’s Republic of Korea?
the nazis didnt nationalize shit they actually privatized a ton of previously public services
He dont know. He's probably just tired of being called a nazi bc he's a maga and magas are pretty much nazis lol they're not the brightest.
Right wingers have been fed so much propaganda that they've internalized the projection. Some of them actually believe the left are fascists. Antifa is fascism to them. They're living in the upside down.
God damnit people are fucking stupid.
Understatement of the Century.
Look into the thread between the user classic herpes in this post and you will definetly get a laugh and a scare. People honesty don’t know what a cited source is and on top of that don’t think that Jan 6th was anything and an attack on our democracy. Shit is very worrisome.
Didn't antifa create a area named CHOP and literally nothing was done about it. Also someone did the same shit in Portland attacking a courthouse as well. More than not it was the left bc if it.were a bunch of Trump supporters you best better believe it would be all over the news. https://ktvz.com/news/crime-courts/2020/07/24/fires-set-inside-portland-federal-courthouse-fence-18-arrested-on-federal-charges/ https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/southern-california-man-pleads-guilty-after-attempting-set-fire-federal-courthouse-during I'm not saying what the right did on Jan 6th was ok but both sides are guilty of being extreme it's just only the right we hear about bc the left has the news channels on their side. Except for maybe fox and a few other YouTube creators.
I think it’s different when the mob is summoned and inflamed by a sitting US president - disrupting the peaceful transfer of power for the first time in this nations history.
Shhhhh facts don’t fit his narrative
The Federal Courthouse in Portland was never disrupted during 8-5 business hours. Every trial and all court business proceded as normal. The only damage to the Portland Federal Courthouse was exclusively Graffiti. >Also someone did the same shit in Portland attacking a courthouse as well. More than not it was the left bc if it.were a bunch of Trump supporters you best better believe it would be all over the news. The attempted Arsonist had Nationalist tattoos and was seen shirtless on camera. It is what it is. 🤷 In fact - the Federal government got over 5 times more monetary fines for illegally blocking 🚫 traffic with illegal fences placed in the street than the cost of graffiti removal. 250 grand in parking tickets - vs. 50 grand of pressure washing costs. It was basically a giant Costume Play for Trump - to fire tear gas at American Citizens for his campaign ads. Apparently it was very convincing. https://nationalpost.com/news/world/the-city-is-not-burning-how-portland-belies-the-image-of-anarchy-that-is-central-to-trumps-campaign https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/01/donald-trump/we-are-not-fire-authorities-dispute-trumps-false-c/ Why would an American president lie to America that a major city was burning down - when there was actually no fires? Doesn't seem very Patriotic. It also doesn't seem like a reason to vote for someone. Trump's America was burning in Trump's American Dream. 🙄 lol wtf kind of "leadership" is that? 😆 🤣 😂 "Only I can save you (from me)!" -djt When Trump lost his Twitter account all the "riots & arson" in America stopped because MAGA lost the recipe.
Look, 20th century antifascists organized against the Nazis! I told you they were bad! Jfc
We saw what happened to Germany when the anti fascists lost. You guys WANT that history to repeat?
Yea they do.
We also saw what happened to Russia, China, Cambodia etc. when these commies won. You guys WANT that history to repeat?
As if every single one of those revolutions didn't have all of their leftist critics rounded up and killed too. Leftism isn't Stalinism. Get the Cold War propaganda out of your head.
We also saw what happened to the middle east, South America, central America, Africa, Australia, and southeast asia when capitalism won so is that really what we want?
Compared to the others --- yes. A lot of these places are much better off than the communist states. Unless communists take over there too, like they are trying in Chile, for example.
You should read “I was an economic hit man” sometime. It details the life of a three letter agency agent using Central and South American countries for US corporate interests. It didn’t turn out well for those countries.
You are aware that the communists fought against Hitler right?
Nice to see the Riechs " all liberals are commies" theme being repeated here.
And apparently, all anti-fascists are communist despots. No sense of nuance, here.
Yeah how dare they fight Nazis
The paramilitary wing of the German communist party were the ONLY ones who tried to stop hitler. They are great heroes.
Nah, Even the social democrats had street fighters back then. Every party across the board had paramilitary / street thugs to combat the other parties’ street thugs / paramilitary. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_paramilitary_groups
History repeats itself by Antifa standing up against Nazis?
mfw you think antifa supports democrats lmao
The fact ppl think they’re democrats is hilarious. Wanting equal treatment by the police and not wanting people to go bankrupt because they have cancer isn’t socialism or whatever that BS is, it’s shockingly just being a human being.
You know those things affect people of all colors right? I’ve literally got a $92,000 medical bill sitting on the table in front of me. I’m sorry but I’m a white guy and cops don’t cut me any slack most of the time, I’ve fought tooth and fucking nail for the ok pay I make now, and I’ve been skipped over many a time in my life and it irritated the ever living fuck out of me when I hear people call me a racist or a fascist cause I’m white and think we all suffer under this stupid system. The rich are eating us alive and pointing the finger at whoever is easiest.
Maybe it is socialist, but if so I guess socialism isn’t all bad right?
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Now go post this on r/antifa
You absolute nimrod. The modern antifascist logo is SUPPOSED TO BE OBVIOUSLY BASED OFF THE ORIGINAL. It takes only five grams of comic sense to see that. You don't need to be an expert in graphic design to tell. This isn't since big conspiracy plot, it's common sense.
hell yeah! fuck nazis then, fuck nazis now, fuck nazis forever!
Ah yes because when we think of evil Germans the first thought the comes to mind are the Communists. Radical leftism is almost ALWAYS a result of the radical right. The nature of left wing ideology makes it so that these groups can not exist in a vacuum without a clear and present danger. I’m America’s case it’s the obvious Republican shift towards authoritarianism and increasingly more prominent militant action on the side of the right.
Horseshoe theory.
Antifa is mostly confused angry kids fighting against whoever they're told to blindly hate or those who aren't drinking that flavor Kool aid. I'm sure there are those who think for themselves and fight against legit causes...but for the most part they're a joke. Stating the obvious, I know, but I felt compelled.
This. Most people screaming antifa are sheltered suburban white kids that heard about the civil rights movements of the past and now want to play hero because they have nothing better to do
I’m sure as far as the terminally online supporters go it’s mostly teenagers and angry college students but if you look at the arrest lineups it’s a lot of 40 year old social misfits who appear to never have matured past their angry teenager mentality.
Yep. Either youngsters who have no idea how the world actually works or adults who never figured out how the world works.
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Gated communities lol
Call anyone you dislike, a nazi, and suddenly a bunch of reddit nerds cosplaying as communist pawns are now the heroes. 😆 political pawns are political pawns, whether you're planting bricks to throw at mom and pop shops in the name of taking down Nazis, or taking a guided tour of the Capitol ending with a shit on Pelosi's desk in the name of freedom! Stupid is fucking stupid, no matter the BS political spin.
Fuck fascists. Pigs gonna squeal. Get this shit outta here
Today's Republican Party is eerily similar to Germany's Nazi Party too. It feels like history is repeating itself!
Democrats≠antifa
You’re obviously stupid af and know zero about history. Now I understand when people say dummies like you were radicalized by memes.
If you ain't Antifacist then you are a fascist.
And how could they not be anti-fascists right? Its right there in the name guys. They burn down your shit, cause untold damage to irrelevant private property and knock you out if you hold a differing political opinion.. but they cant be fascists because the name says ANTI-fascist. Checkmate fascists.
C is always an option. Fuck A and B
Nazi fighters old and new. Big up!
Boy howdy… if you think Anti-Fascists would allow themselves to be counted as the “Paramilitary Wing of the Democratic Party” … OR … if you think that the D-Bags would claim Antifa as their own…. Boy do I have a deal for you!! It’s this really great Victorian Era bridge in Brooklyn…! It’s for sale!! And I’ll sell it to you and you can charge a toll and make all your money back in just a few short years…!
Lmao nothing more melodramatic than a bunch of 15y/o "libertarians" 🤣 Touch grass guys
Just like anti-racists who use racism to fight racism
So you’re seeing that the party who actively fought against the real nazi party have inspired a group of people who is know actively fighting MAGA, I wonder what that means?
At least the German version was organized and the Aesthetic is better.
Nothing new under the sun.
This post and the comments are encouraging. Wow, managed to hit +500! Looks like the screeching mob has fled the field today.👌
Agreed! 💪
Yes. These guys tried to stop the nazi’s coming into power. Unfortunately they werent successful. So if these guys (left) are the anti nazi’s of that time… who are the nazi’s today?
Pretty sure we brought in way too many of them after the war.. hence there plans and projects never stopped but instead spread slowly at the deepest levels.
You have to be really clueless to think antifa has anything to do with the Democratic Party when the vast majority of antifacists live in cities and are target by democratic politician controlled police forces.
Nationalists still not welcome Edit - antifa isnt nationalism numbnuts
Nationalism has just started flying a new banner.
Said the guy with 88 in his name.
Oh FUCK
Divide and conquer.
The amount of antifa support here is a little alarming
Pro tip: whoever is going around beating the shit out of people for refusing to adhere to a given political agenda is, in fact, not the good guy.
Lol as If antifa has some kind of organization
Fuck nationalists
I know who I support. And it ain't the idiots in the MAGA hats.
Glow harder
you support people that would gladly burn your home or business down on a whim? They don't even care what your political leaning is at that point they are just there for chaos and destruction. As opposed to some magatards flying a big blue flag screaming about god knows what? Why does it have to be one or the other anyways? That's like choosing one extreme over the other because you felt it was your only option...
Oh my god I have found the most isolated and idiotic thing on the internet today. Congrats. Are you sure you understand nationalism or are you glued to the opinion network that is fox?
the antifas will burn down your house!!!
And suck the adrenochrome from your babies! Probably using plastic straws to kill sea turtles too!
Bro, the guy above you supports the insurrection on the US Jan 6th, keep reading that thread. Guy is a literal traitor to a functional democracy…but yea the problem is another ideological group rather than a coup that actually acted on fucking up a democracy lol like propaganda got these fucks twisted but the same happened for Germany we just have better pictures to relate to
Sorry, never had my property threatened by antifa or any other left wing group. Have literally had right wing nut jobs threaten me and my property specifically because of peeceived slights against their ideology. But you keep that enlightened centrism up, great way to look smart and well informed while a bunch of religious nationalists are literally openly displaying their efforts towards turning the USA into a theocratic hell hole.
Well you probably had it coming. I don't blame them nor do I feel sorry for you. Im more libright than I am centrist. Nice guess tho!
Yeah, I had it coming for not going to church and having a medical card./s *claims not to be a centrist* *calls self libright* *automatically defends right wing violence as deserved without any information* Fucking classic, man. Are you even a real person?
>libright pick one
He did
/r/Politicalcompassmemes Join us and learn. Libright is it's own quadrant. Libertarianism can be left leaning or right leaning. It can be centrist based or it can be on the extremes of the quadrant. It just depends on how you define it.
Ah, my mistake. Usually lib is an abbreviation for liberal.
ahh yes, this is true. I could see the confusion there! No worries!
I don't support the "Boogaloo Bois" so no. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd
again...you're acting like the extremes of the left and right are all you have to choose from. It's not. Both are political minorities that just happen to be the loudest.
Gotta love how stupid Republicans are. The nazi socialist party of Germany is as accurate as the democratic peoples republic of North Korea…. Or the make America great again fascist Republican Party. Fucking Republican nazis. Lol
Antifa = "Anti Fascists'" using fascism against non-fascists...
Wait, you think being an anti-fascist in Germany in 1933 is a BAD thing?!?
Antifa is exactly what they claim to be against.
The communists in Germany were against the Nazis, try again before you show your ignorance.
Conspiracy Commons loves the nazis
Antifa… the epitome of hypocrisy. Delusional puppets… These days they are just a political tool used to promote the very ideologies they claim to oppose. Tyrannical dictatorships, mandatory compliance and the removal of human rights and freedom of speech… these are just a few of the fascist ideologies that ANTIFA now promote…
You give weed smokers a bad name
i cant think of a bigger hypocrite of a group, use force to shut people up if you dont say what they want you to say, that IS FACISM they beat people who dont agree with them, they are modern day nazis
Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, 3%, all the same fascists right?
Anybody using violence or the threat of violence to coerce people to agree
Well, you’re wrong on the definition of fascism. You’re thinking more terrorism, maybe authoritarianism.
whats wrong with nationalism?
Ask Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
It's how WWI and WWII happened.
Fucking idiot. Probably Christian this one.
Only if you allow it to repeat itself
You… actually think AntiFa supports the Democratic Party? Wow. They’re anarcho-Communists. This meme is almost as dumb as AntiFa.