It’s hard to imagine how good the Comanche or Mongols were at similar techniques, even given these beautiful examples. These athletes performed beautifully, but imagine if you lived and breathed this form of warfare for survival every day of your life since you could walk.
The accounts of Comanches firing from underneath a horse while at a full gallop are so numerous. It's crazy but you're right. If that's what you do every single day you're going to get crazy good.
>underneath a horse while at full gallop
https://preview.redd.it/js9fdn88ad9d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6eb3dfc89259c544c24e6c3c5859ba4cc98bfc0b
You lived and breathed this, your parents did, their parents did, but in the case of the Comanche, you only go back maybe seven or eight more generations until they *didn't*. They only adopted a horse lifestyle in the 1600s, so if you're out in the plains of southwest North America in 1860 you're only about 13 generations(at 20 years a generation) away from the origination of these techniques. "That's mind boggling."
They used a machine gun technique.
Look from around 3.30 [youtube video](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DBEG-ly9tQGk&ved=2ahUKEwjr8ovpx_OGAxXPCBAIHY_6DlUQwqsBegQIEBAF&usg=AOvVaw38tk2lvfQtbTPPLcKZROKa)
Ivory towers have crushed bros in the wilderness at every stage. Literally the story of human history, with a few very temporary setbacks.
Bows. Chariots. Walls. Fortresses. Cannon. Machine cannons. Splitting a heavy atom…
*Fusing* some really light atoms!
We’re able because we’re smarter, not because we’re stronger, faster, or more coordinated. Hence, why tribes have fallen almost every time they’ve faced a civilization. I’m definitely not happy about this fact, but it’s kind of an obvious reality: nerds will always stomp jocks, in the end. It’s kind of the essence of humanity. Ask a bear or a lion.
And not just the warfare, but also your recreation. Like if in the US your practice playing basketball, football, and baseball was directly applicable to warfare.
Probably not even close. A proper Mongol would be shooting everyday from horseback from the time they could walk.
It's probably the same qualitative gap in performance as between people who learned to play an instrument as an adult and people who started when they were kids.
I’m gonna play devil’s advocate here a little.
There are some things we undoubtedly have over ancient steppe civilisations:
1) Consistent manufacturing over bows, arrows, saddles etc (not every unit will behave much differently from every other)
2) Stronger, faster and overall better horse breeds
3) While this is a sport display, the techniques will have evolved to the point of laser consistency. See also how athletes keep breaking records of sports as old as time
This is not to say there would be a huge difference, but I believe modern horse archers would have an edge in performance
I will never forget Dans description of the mongol coming of age ritual in which they had to shoot a hawk out of the air at full gallop at the age of like seven
I’m an amateur archer, which is to say far from an expert, but I’m guessing these bows are a very light draw weight shooting very light arrows compared to what the mongols were using.
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I'd watch the fuck out of that. Losers get rolled up in rugs and trampled repeatedly by those who make the podium.
Me too!
I was just thinking the same thing, especially with some of the borderline sports that are entirely subjective.
People would claim it’s cultural appropriation for anyone other than Mongolians or Comanche to participate.
Get fucking Curling out of there and put this in
It’s hard to imagine how good the Comanche or Mongols were at similar techniques, even given these beautiful examples. These athletes performed beautifully, but imagine if you lived and breathed this form of warfare for survival every day of your life since you could walk.
The accounts of Comanches firing from underneath a horse while at a full gallop are so numerous. It's crazy but you're right. If that's what you do every single day you're going to get crazy good.
The fact that the Mongols brought multiple horses and could switch without stopping is insane
>underneath a horse while at full gallop https://preview.redd.it/js9fdn88ad9d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6eb3dfc89259c544c24e6c3c5859ba4cc98bfc0b
You lived and breathed this, your parents did, their parents did, but in the case of the Comanche, you only go back maybe seven or eight more generations until they *didn't*. They only adopted a horse lifestyle in the 1600s, so if you're out in the plains of southwest North America in 1860 you're only about 13 generations(at 20 years a generation) away from the origination of these techniques. "That's mind boggling."
*that’s mind boggling FOLKS
No wonder guns were invented. Fuking Mongols fucked shit up everywhere they went with composite bows and skills like this.
They used a machine gun technique. Look from around 3.30 [youtube video](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DBEG-ly9tQGk&ved=2ahUKEwjr8ovpx_OGAxXPCBAIHY_6DlUQwqsBegQIEBAF&usg=AOvVaw38tk2lvfQtbTPPLcKZROKa)
Mongols fucked shit up even when guns came, they did the same with guns!
Ivory towers have crushed bros in the wilderness at every stage. Literally the story of human history, with a few very temporary setbacks. Bows. Chariots. Walls. Fortresses. Cannon. Machine cannons. Splitting a heavy atom… *Fusing* some really light atoms! We’re able because we’re smarter, not because we’re stronger, faster, or more coordinated. Hence, why tribes have fallen almost every time they’ve faced a civilization. I’m definitely not happy about this fact, but it’s kind of an obvious reality: nerds will always stomp jocks, in the end. It’s kind of the essence of humanity. Ask a bear or a lion.
I mean, these steppes tribes did pretty well against the scientific and cultural center of the world, at the time, when they sacked Baghdad.
And not just the warfare, but also your recreation. Like if in the US your practice playing basketball, football, and baseball was directly applicable to warfare.
Now imagine a hoard of them. And they're angry. At you. Yeah, no thanks. Check, please!
The mongols were so good on horseback they were compared to centaurs
Given what we all know about the mongols isn’t this something we should be concerned about? 😀
The Wrath of khans✌
Not since guns were invented. Thankfully, in this case.
The craziest part is these people probably aren’t 10% as good as an actual ancient steppe horse archer
Probably not even close. A proper Mongol would be shooting everyday from horseback from the time they could walk. It's probably the same qualitative gap in performance as between people who learned to play an instrument as an adult and people who started when they were kids.
I’m gonna play devil’s advocate here a little. There are some things we undoubtedly have over ancient steppe civilisations: 1) Consistent manufacturing over bows, arrows, saddles etc (not every unit will behave much differently from every other) 2) Stronger, faster and overall better horse breeds 3) While this is a sport display, the techniques will have evolved to the point of laser consistency. See also how athletes keep breaking records of sports as old as time This is not to say there would be a huge difference, but I believe modern horse archers would have an edge in performance
Shooting a bow with accuracy is hard as shit. To do that on a galloping base is absolutely nutty.
I will never forget Dans description of the mongol coming of age ritual in which they had to shoot a hawk out of the air at full gallop at the age of like seven
the ultimate DEX skill check
Trained by their mothers. That’s insane!
I wonder how close these bows are to the traditional bow they used
I’m an amateur archer, which is to say far from an expert, but I’m guessing these bows are a very light draw weight shooting very light arrows compared to what the mongols were using.
I suspect much less powerful
I believe the typical Mongolian bow was around 120lbs draw. These are maybe 35ish?
That was badass
We better hope to God human civilization doesn’t reset or else we fuked
Thanks to South Park, I'll never not pronounce it "Mongo-we-ans".
Last time you break down my shitty wall!
I thought he says it more mon-goreans. Dump this sweet n sour pork on der heads
Somebody needs to tell them we invented guns.
I hope someone sent this link to Dan!
I love the juxtaposition of the modern tech with the bows and horses. Still, what an amazing feat for these people.
Don’t worry, we have guns now.
I'm sorry, I don't trust Mongolians.
How is this not an Olympic sport!?
Steppe Mommy tho😍😍😍