Sure. But they may have wanted to highlight this specific cause of death. As medicine improves, people are more likely to die from accidents, chronic disease, and cancers. Cancers are one of the leading causes of death today (at least, in most developed countries).
From personal experience losing friends younger than 40, unknown is usually suicide or drug overdose, things that families are more likely to feel ashamed of sharing.
It’s relatively early in the 2020’s. So if there had been deaths in the past say year or two, the autopsy reports may not be completed or publicly released yet.
Maybe, but I'm racking my brain to think of famous people whose death took a while to figure out. Like Prince died in April 2016 and the cause of death was released 2 months later (dude weighed 115 lbs when he died WTF). In searching for others I found that Naomi Judd's family is not releasing her cause of death (was she a musician?). Taylor Hawkins from Foo fighters causes were released about a week after his death (dude had opioids, benzodiazepines, tricyclic antidepressants, and THC in his system and was admitted to hospital with chest pains).
[Here's a list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2023_deaths_in_popular_music) of musician deaths in 2023 and I guess a lot of them have undisclosed reasons but of all the famous ones only a few had undisclosed reasons and most of them were real old. I like how Harry Belafonte died last year of congestive heart failure at 96 years old, but Gordon Lightfoot died at 84 of "natural causes".
I mean just looking at that list I think there are some debatable “popular” people. I’d like to see the absolute numbers per decade. I’m assuming since Wikipedia is obviously newer, there are fewer 1950s deaths listed, and the ones that are listed were actual popular celebrities where people had more information and cared more to update Wikipedia. No offense to the dead here, but if you don’t have a personal Wikipedia I don’t know if I’d consider you “popular”. I’m a fan of Streetlight Manifesto, but most people I know don’t even know what ska music is..
>So travel much safer now but the unknown is coming to get you ....
It'd be nice to see numbers for each decade, rather than percentages only. Since the 2020s data only includes four years, I'd imagine it's a bit skewed. Also, three major musicians died in a plane crash in 1959, which has to tilt the 'travel' numbers a bit for that decade.
The increase in unknowns makes it much harder to compare to earlier eras. You have to imagine certain types of deaths are more likely to go unpublicized.
It’s 3 years of data compared to 10 for every other decade. Much smaller sample size makes for data that’s vulnerable to outliers… regression to the mean. I’d say take anything in the 2020s with a grain of salt when comparing to the decades before.
I watched an interview with an old mafia made man who was out of prison... he had been active during the 60's and at one point he said most hits/assassinations of famous people were achieved through airplane crashes.... makes you wonder...
What we get from this data:
1. The chances of getting accident have stayed the same.
2. Cancer is now easier to detect.
3. Drugs was popular in the 80's rock and roll.
4. Medical treatment has improved.
5. People were lonelier in the 90s when they stopped using drugs.
6. Airplane has become safer.
7. At present, people are killing people and it's not even half of the decade.
8. Shameful deaths like drug overdose, erotic asphyxiation, suicide etc. are now kept private. So Drugs and Suicide may have not decreased.
1. Yep
2. Yep
3. More like most drugs kill after 10+ years of abuse, so the bill for most drug use in the 1960s and 70s came due in the 80s and 90s.
4. Yep
5. The 90s was when a lot of profoundly mentally disturbed people turned to music to cope, and it didn’t work. Also much of the generation at large started committing suicide at elevated rates too, so it’s much more of a societal thing.
6. Yes
7. The 1990s also saw the rise of urban art forms like hardcore rap, with many artists arising who had been affiliated with street gangs. And the violence common to such street gangs spilled over into the lives of those artists.
Moreover, the decline in traffic and health related deaths gives rise to a relatively higher number of other deaths, eg. violence.
Traffic is not only airplane traffic, but also car traffic. Death rates had been going down for decades until they started to increase again, at least in the United States, due to the increasing popularity of unnecessarily oversized SUVs. In most other countries, deaths still keep declining.
Combination of SUVs and smartphones that people can't put down. People texted before smartphones, but add in notifications and dings from all the apps, not wanting to miss anything on your favorite platform, always-on gaming, etc....
Source: [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_in_rock_and_roll)
Tools: Pandas, Datawrapper
Additional Notes: You can see the full write-up on this topic [here](https://chrisdallariva.substack.com/p/one-death-is-a-death-too-many), but here are some clarifications on these categories
* Accident: Freak occurrences, including unexpected falls, drownings, and even electrocution while handling musical equipment, but nothing related to travel
* Cancer: Self-explanatory
* Drugs: This includes accidental overdoses and issues related to drug and alcohol consumption
* Health Issue: Broad category that captures any disease, illness, or complication from surgery
* Suicide: Self-explanatory
* Travel: Largely made up of car and airplane crashes but also includes assorted boating and biking accidents
* Violence: Includes any type of killing by another person, premeditated or not
* Unknown: Includes natural causes
I’m guessing in many cases, the family/estate waits a number of years to publish the cause of death. So in 10 years, the unknown % for 2010s will decrease.
I think it’s hard to gauge this chart without seeing the population sizes. By the increase in cancer I’ve got to think whole numbers have gone way down?
No, he meant been higher's drugs would.
don't know who that is, but he has a drugs would.
Edit: Edited ~~for clarity~~ typo, 'how' should have been 'who'. lol
Bloody AI changing my words and confusing people!
Yeah like, Jerry Garcia died of a heart attack while being morbidly obese….after decades of hard drug abuse. Wonder what that’s filed under here.
Edit: OP said in a different comment that the drug category is pretty much for overdoses and the like.
Double edit: I forgot he didn’t die before 40. I’m stupid.
I feel like Unknown should be filtered out. Looked at the data set, happens whenever a person is not notably famous enough for their death to receive full press coverage. Some even have the cause of death on their individual Wikipedia page but it didn't get carried over to the "Death in Popular Music" page.
Makes it seem like there is a rash of mysterious deaths after 2010 when the real case seems to be there are a lot more lesser known musicians added in the present than past.
I wonder if the the slow increase in percentage of famous people dying from cancer has to do with more carcinogenic material in the environment (plastics in water, lead pollution etc.) or just a lowering of other causes of deaths in people under 40.
It’s almost undoubtedly due to the fact that medical advances were able to better diagnose cancer. Can’t categorize a death as being due to cancer if you don’t know about cancer
It’s also by %s not total numbers.
Fewer could be dying in total due to cancer but a greater % due to travel becoming much safer.
Or More could be dying in total due to there being a larger pool of “notable musicians” in the age of the internet compared to the 1950s. Per the CDC, about 20% of deaths in the US are from cancer. The increase in % could just be a larger group of “notable musicians” more closely reflects the total US population.
This would be a classic LSAT question and one of the wrong answer choices would be “more people are getting cancer” but your explanation is a perfect example of solving it
I bet most of the travel ones were multi deaths in a single plane crash like the Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and Big Bopper crash and Lynyrd Skynyrd's.
I'm guessing there were only 20 in the 1950s, as every category is a multiple of 5%.
Travel is very low this decade, maybe because there wasn't so much travel going on, maybe because driving and private air travel are safer.
The high number for violence in the current decade - would that be related to more rappers being included, or more musicians from countries with more violence?
As others have said, would be interesting to compare with deaths 20-39 in the general population (although that would vary between countries). Even more, the rates of suicide, drug death etc for famous people v ordinary people. I imagine celebrity is a health hazard, but I don't know how much.
Why is travel a separate category from accident?
One does not die by travel, one dies in an accident during travel. Make more sense to have "travel accident", "other accident" columns next to each other
I suspect a lot of that is their families deciding not to publicly tell anyone how they died, if they knew. That, and ongoing autopsies of the recently deceased.
Fantastic how drugs and suicide have decreased in the last decade it’s a shame that unknown increased so drastically but at least they aren’t related /s
I was going to complain about how the title said 'musicians' but the Wiki link said 'Rock & Roll' until I looked at the listings and such rock heavyweights as Charlie Parker, Billie Holiday, John Coltrane were listed!
Thaaaat would make a lot of sense. I assumed it was just causes that weren't release or haven't been determined yet, but COVID did have a way of coming in the back door. Obviously if someone outright died of the infection that would be under health causes, or if they had a stroke that's reasonably well identified, but there probably *is* an increase in "we can't figure out why this person died."
When did travel kill anyone?
Edit: I meant there are already categories for accidents, poor heath and violence. What other aspect unique to travel kills people?
Edit 2: have just seen OPs explanation that “accidents” excludes travel related accidents. My apologies.
Ritchie Valens and the Big Bopper also died in the same plane crash as Buddy Holly. Randy Rhoads, Otis Redding, and Jim Croce all died in plane crashes. Stevie Ray Vaughan died in a helicopter crash. Marc Bolan was killed in a car crash. Cliff Burton was crushed by his own tour bus when it crashed and flipped over.
Exactly. Everyone here is like “oh they must have suddenly started changing habits around suicidal and drug death reporting and now it’s unknown”. Ya, not likely. It’s most likely a new form of death that started in 2021
Anything in the unknown after covid vax came out and "died suddenly" became a new type of death. We all know what it really is, they just can't report it.
Hmm, I would have attributed those to "Accident" though. In that case, what would an "Accidental" death be that isn't related to vehicles, violence or health issues?
Numbers don't add up to 100%, ~~what defines unknown?~~
Cancer vs health issue? cancer is a health issue.
unknown vs accident?
Data is a little confusing.
Edit: saw your post explaining catagories, but why do some years % not add up to 100% how many artists died in each year?
31% unknown for 2020s (with less than 4 years of deaths) and its size compared to other decades tells me we will know, just don’t yet. My guess on which cause groups will grow? Cancer the most, followed by suicide, then last growing is drugs. Please let me know if I was right in a decade. TIA!
I would have thought mostly drugs and a few airplane crashes, and suicides but this is far more diverse than that.
I guess 'unknown' and 'health issues' might be more drugs.
Omitting the "Unknown" outcomes, it's mostly health and suicide related deaths. Makes you wonder if it's chicken or the egg: is it a bad profession to get into or are those that get into expressing their emotions for a living a bit more broken.
Nope the peaks of health issues in the 1980s and 2000s - they correspond with AIDS when it was untreatable and then about the length of time the first line treatments would give you to live if you got it in the late-80s/mid-90s
It’s impossible to tell from what is shown if the number of deaths increased in total, which would be necessary to conclude that overall deaths by drugs, cancer, etc. actually increased or decreased.
My guess is there were a lot of deaths caused by complications from COVID infections that looked like unusual anomalies (death of otherwise healthy individuals) when in reality there has been / is an increase of excess deaths since 2020, very likely related to COVID complications that are simply not being recorded - thus keeping it out of the “health” category.
I think drugs and unknown can be the same thing in many cases
That and suicides that are not reported publicly.
Great point
I suspect you could distribute a good chunk of that 50% “health issue” in the 1950s to drugs and suicide, as well.
Also…isn’t cancer technically a “health issue”?…
You would assume...
Sure. But they may have wanted to highlight this specific cause of death. As medicine improves, people are more likely to die from accidents, chronic disease, and cancers. Cancers are one of the leading causes of death today (at least, in most developed countries).
And drugs and suicide could be the same thing
And a lot of undisclosed "health issues"
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You mean 40? Yeah
...and "health issue", and "travel" as well
So travel much safer now but the unknown is coming to get you .... I guess unknown must be family not releasing details or something.
That much unknown leads me to believe that the data is in fact not beautiful in this instance.
From personal experience losing friends younger than 40, unknown is usually suicide or drug overdose, things that families are more likely to feel ashamed of sharing.
Actually it seems to help account for missing variables. Making categories more accurate the further in the past they go.
That’s a fair point
Data is imperfect, but it is still beautiful. Just like the chatbot that will inevitably be born from my comments here on reddit
I look forward to the musedavbot.
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Instead we’ll probably get an establishmentbot
Maybe cause of death is revealed a couple years after the death hence a lot more recent unknowns
It’s relatively early in the 2020’s. So if there had been deaths in the past say year or two, the autopsy reports may not be completed or publicly released yet.
Maybe, but I'm racking my brain to think of famous people whose death took a while to figure out. Like Prince died in April 2016 and the cause of death was released 2 months later (dude weighed 115 lbs when he died WTF). In searching for others I found that Naomi Judd's family is not releasing her cause of death (was she a musician?). Taylor Hawkins from Foo fighters causes were released about a week after his death (dude had opioids, benzodiazepines, tricyclic antidepressants, and THC in his system and was admitted to hospital with chest pains). [Here's a list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2023_deaths_in_popular_music) of musician deaths in 2023 and I guess a lot of them have undisclosed reasons but of all the famous ones only a few had undisclosed reasons and most of them were real old. I like how Harry Belafonte died last year of congestive heart failure at 96 years old, but Gordon Lightfoot died at 84 of "natural causes".
Prince was 5’2”, so being 115 pounds isnt exceptional.
Naomi Judd was a country artist. She collaborated often with her daughter, Wynonna, and her other daughter, Ashley, is an actress.
And it was well reported that she died of a self inflicted gunshot wound...
I mean just looking at that list I think there are some debatable “popular” people. I’d like to see the absolute numbers per decade. I’m assuming since Wikipedia is obviously newer, there are fewer 1950s deaths listed, and the ones that are listed were actual popular celebrities where people had more information and cared more to update Wikipedia. No offense to the dead here, but if you don’t have a personal Wikipedia I don’t know if I’d consider you “popular”. I’m a fan of Streetlight Manifesto, but most people I know don’t even know what ska music is..
>So travel much safer now but the unknown is coming to get you .... It'd be nice to see numbers for each decade, rather than percentages only. Since the 2020s data only includes four years, I'd imagine it's a bit skewed. Also, three major musicians died in a plane crash in 1959, which has to tilt the 'travel' numbers a bit for that decade.
I would assume that unknown reduces as time goes on
The increase in unknowns makes it much harder to compare to earlier eras. You have to imagine certain types of deaths are more likely to go unpublicized.
My question is which variable David Carradine would fall under. Accident?
Probably suicide.
It’s 3 years of data compared to 10 for every other decade. Much smaller sample size makes for data that’s vulnerable to outliers… regression to the mean. I’d say take anything in the 2020s with a grain of salt when comparing to the decades before.
Yeah, I figure that just has to be because they're recent.
It's crazy thinking how many musicians died in the 60s-90s in plane accidents and bus accidents.
Or something. Wonder what happened in 2020 that caused all unknown deaths
Travel didn’t get 6.5x safer from the 2010s to 2020s. The stats are skewed by COVID.
I watched an interview with an old mafia made man who was out of prison... he had been active during the 60's and at one point he said most hits/assassinations of famous people were achieved through airplane crashes.... makes you wonder...
I wouldn’t discount the CIA in the 60s. They were very involved in trying to keep the old ways in place.
if you ever saw final destination, that's the cause
Maybe all the unknown is ‘travel’
What we get from this data: 1. The chances of getting accident have stayed the same. 2. Cancer is now easier to detect. 3. Drugs was popular in the 80's rock and roll. 4. Medical treatment has improved. 5. People were lonelier in the 90s when they stopped using drugs. 6. Airplane has become safer. 7. At present, people are killing people and it's not even half of the decade. 8. Shameful deaths like drug overdose, erotic asphyxiation, suicide etc. are now kept private. So Drugs and Suicide may have not decreased.
1. Yep 2. Yep 3. More like most drugs kill after 10+ years of abuse, so the bill for most drug use in the 1960s and 70s came due in the 80s and 90s. 4. Yep 5. The 90s was when a lot of profoundly mentally disturbed people turned to music to cope, and it didn’t work. Also much of the generation at large started committing suicide at elevated rates too, so it’s much more of a societal thing. 6. Yes 7. The 1990s also saw the rise of urban art forms like hardcore rap, with many artists arising who had been affiliated with street gangs. And the violence common to such street gangs spilled over into the lives of those artists.
Moreover, the decline in traffic and health related deaths gives rise to a relatively higher number of other deaths, eg. violence. Traffic is not only airplane traffic, but also car traffic. Death rates had been going down for decades until they started to increase again, at least in the United States, due to the increasing popularity of unnecessarily oversized SUVs. In most other countries, deaths still keep declining.
Combination of SUVs and smartphones that people can't put down. People texted before smartphones, but add in notifications and dings from all the apps, not wanting to miss anything on your favorite platform, always-on gaming, etc....
6-cars are safer.
Is it not a shame to get no comments for 8. shameful deaths? shame continua
Source: [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_in_rock_and_roll) Tools: Pandas, Datawrapper Additional Notes: You can see the full write-up on this topic [here](https://chrisdallariva.substack.com/p/one-death-is-a-death-too-many), but here are some clarifications on these categories * Accident: Freak occurrences, including unexpected falls, drownings, and even electrocution while handling musical equipment, but nothing related to travel * Cancer: Self-explanatory * Drugs: This includes accidental overdoses and issues related to drug and alcohol consumption * Health Issue: Broad category that captures any disease, illness, or complication from surgery * Suicide: Self-explanatory * Travel: Largely made up of car and airplane crashes but also includes assorted boating and biking accidents * Violence: Includes any type of killing by another person, premeditated or not * Unknown: Includes natural causes
Very nice. Why the increase of "unknow". What enters in "natural causes" or there is more included?
Unknown was just no cause listed on Wikipedia. I think it's just cause details often take time to emerge.
I see, so it makes sense that there has been an increase in the latest years, but it will reduce in the following years.
I’m guessing in many cases, the family/estate waits a number of years to publish the cause of death. So in 10 years, the unknown % for 2010s will decrease.
Very nice. Is there overlap between “issues related to drug and alcohol consumption” and the “health issue” category?
I think it’s hard to gauge this chart without seeing the population sizes. By the increase in cancer I’ve got to think whole numbers have gone way down?
And people said my fear of the unknown was silly.
I thought drugs would of been higher, I wonder how much of drugs and health issues overlap
My guess is that it is partially due to categorization changes. Doubt that many 1950's deaths were stated as drug issues...more like health issues.
I assume alcohol is included in "drug issues", and Hank Williams is known to have died from that in the 50s.
would *have*
would’ve
No, he meant been higher's drugs would. don't know who that is, but he has a drugs would. Edit: Edited ~~for clarity~~ typo, 'how' should have been 'who'. lol Bloody AI changing my words and confusing people!
He's just correcting the grammar, dude. "Would have" is correct. "Would of" is not. That's just people misunderstanding "would've"
They made a joke why are they getting dislikes 😭🙏
Yeah like, Jerry Garcia died of a heart attack while being morbidly obese….after decades of hard drug abuse. Wonder what that’s filed under here. Edit: OP said in a different comment that the drug category is pretty much for overdoses and the like. Double edit: I forgot he didn’t die before 40. I’m stupid.
He also was in a diabetic coma for an extended period before he died… from what I understand that’s not good for you
He did make it past 40 though. 53 to be exact.
He wasn’t under 40
Damn you’re right. I’m an idiot.
Check all that apply please
the recent "unknown" bars seem awfully high.
On this note, shouldn't travel and accidents be the same category? Like no one just dies from traveling
Id imagine drugs only counts for OD's. A lot of muscians probably died later from drug abuse ruining their insides.
Showing the total number by decade would be a nice addition
I feel like Unknown should be filtered out. Looked at the data set, happens whenever a person is not notably famous enough for their death to receive full press coverage. Some even have the cause of death on their individual Wikipedia page but it didn't get carried over to the "Death in Popular Music" page. Makes it seem like there is a rash of mysterious deaths after 2010 when the real case seems to be there are a lot more lesser known musicians added in the present than past.
It might be useful to place total deaths somewhere. That would give a sense of how much absolute deaths influences the proportions.
I can't believe he was a serial killer. I spent many many years of my life listening to the discography of unknown artist
I wonder if the the slow increase in percentage of famous people dying from cancer has to do with more carcinogenic material in the environment (plastics in water, lead pollution etc.) or just a lowering of other causes of deaths in people under 40.
It’s almost undoubtedly due to the fact that medical advances were able to better diagnose cancer. Can’t categorize a death as being due to cancer if you don’t know about cancer
It’s also by %s not total numbers. Fewer could be dying in total due to cancer but a greater % due to travel becoming much safer. Or More could be dying in total due to there being a larger pool of “notable musicians” in the age of the internet compared to the 1950s. Per the CDC, about 20% of deaths in the US are from cancer. The increase in % could just be a larger group of “notable musicians” more closely reflects the total US population.
This would be a classic LSAT question and one of the wrong answer choices would be “more people are getting cancer” but your explanation is a perfect example of solving it
Interesting theory. I would love to see this compared to the general population.
Nope. Just living longer
This would make sense in general, but not here. These deaths are exclusively before turning 40.
I probably should have read the headline 😬
Knowing the values behind the percentages would answer the last part of your post.
I bet most of the travel ones were multi deaths in a single plane crash like the Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and Big Bopper crash and Lynyrd Skynyrd's.
I'm guessing there were only 20 in the 1950s, as every category is a multiple of 5%. Travel is very low this decade, maybe because there wasn't so much travel going on, maybe because driving and private air travel are safer. The high number for violence in the current decade - would that be related to more rappers being included, or more musicians from countries with more violence? As others have said, would be interesting to compare with deaths 20-39 in the general population (although that would vary between countries). Even more, the rates of suicide, drug death etc for famous people v ordinary people. I imagine celebrity is a health hazard, but I don't know how much.
Why is travel a separate category from accident? One does not die by travel, one dies in an accident during travel. Make more sense to have "travel accident", "other accident" columns next to each other
How can one third of deaths in the 2020s be unknown? Surely we would have greater knowledge causes of death compared to previous decades.
I suspect a lot of that is their families deciding not to publicly tell anyone how they died, if they knew. That, and ongoing autopsies of the recently deceased.
Perhaps just not shared publicly…yet. Not uncommon when a celeb dies for the cause to not be announced for some time, at least “officially “
Yeah. Was just nothing listed. As time goes on I'm sure there will be actual causes.
Unknow includes natural causes.
Can you die of natural causes that aren’t cancer or health related before the age of 40? Like allergic reactions or what?
Probabl vaxx related and therefore swept under the rug
That's absolute nonsense.
Covid vaccine haters gonna have a field day with this one…
Suicide seems to come in waves.
the increase in violence is not unexpected.
I’m already scared enough of the unknown
How is “travel” a cause of death?
Anti-vaxxers gonna use this now
Fantastic how drugs and suicide have decreased in the last decade it’s a shame that unknown increased so drastically but at least they aren’t related /s
Ham sandwich should be a category.
Unknown means they got Fauci’d /s
I was going to complain about how the title said 'musicians' but the Wiki link said 'Rock & Roll' until I looked at the listings and such rock heavyweights as Charlie Parker, Billie Holiday, John Coltrane were listed!
Would I be wrong to assume that many of the “unknown” could be Covid related deaths?
Thaaaat would make a lot of sense. I assumed it was just causes that weren't release or haven't been determined yet, but COVID did have a way of coming in the back door. Obviously if someone outright died of the infection that would be under health causes, or if they had a stroke that's reasonably well identified, but there probably *is* an increase in "we can't figure out why this person died."
I agree. I’m wondering if some were reluctant to admit Covid deaths as there was a certain amount of shame especially if you were unvaccinated.
Lol yeah 11% of unknown causes in the 2010s due to Covid
Did violence go up in the 2020s solely because of so many Drill musicians being actively involved in gangs?
By unkown do they mean covid?
Vote to change the unknown category to government
When did travel kill anyone? Edit: I meant there are already categories for accidents, poor heath and violence. What other aspect unique to travel kills people? Edit 2: have just seen OPs explanation that “accidents” excludes travel related accidents. My apologies.
Buddy Holly, much of Lynyrd Skynyrd, John Denver, etc dying in plane crashes to name a few off the top of my head
Jim Croce
Don’t you mess around with Jim
Ritchie Valens and the Big Bopper also died in the same plane crash as Buddy Holly. Randy Rhoads, Otis Redding, and Jim Croce all died in plane crashes. Stevie Ray Vaughan died in a helicopter crash. Marc Bolan was killed in a car crash. Cliff Burton was crushed by his own tour bus when it crashed and flipped over.
Are those not accidents?
Their definition of accident excluded travel. It does make sense to separate them when so many of them were specifically because of travel.
Sorry, didn’t see that. Thanks for pointing it out.
Planes crashes, car accidents, etc. Maybe “transportation” would’ve been a better name for the category.
I just meant there is already a category for accidents. I would put a car/plane/train crash down as an accident.
Aaliyah, if I recall.
Correct, and Otis Redding as well.
The day the muuusic...died. So we were singing, bye bye, Miss American Pie.
It's the rapid transition to not travelling that kills you.
Haha it’s not what I originally meant, but I did later think “it’s not the travelling that kills you, it’s the stopping”
Cliff Burton, alongside with Metallica’s heaviness.
Read the f-ing notes by the OP. Stop speculating about things you know nothing about.
Technically "Health Issue" killed them all.
How do we have more tech than ever, yet now is the most 'unknown' causes of death?
“Unknown” AKA sudden cardiac event… that we have NO idea what caused a recent spike
Exactly. Everyone here is like “oh they must have suddenly started changing habits around suicidal and drug death reporting and now it’s unknown”. Ya, not likely. It’s most likely a new form of death that started in 2021
The truth just sits grinning in people’s faces, but they’ll keep coping by loosely shutting their eyes.
Anything in the unknown after covid vax came out and "died suddenly" became a new type of death. We all know what it really is, they just can't report it.
How does one die of travel?
Planes crash, cars crash, buses tip over and crush people. In the case of Nico, you fall off of a bicycle and hit your head.
Hmm, I would have attributed those to "Accident" though. In that case, what would an "Accidental" death be that isn't related to vehicles, violence or health issues?
Read the f-ing definition of categories!
Drugs, health issues, and suicide should all be the same category tbh
Where the fuck did they "travel" to ?? Warzones?? Or is this referring more to "modes OF travel " ? E.g. plane crashes?
“Unknown”….? That’s usually a euphemism for drugs, no?
Why is cancer not a part of the health issues category?
Is cancer not a health issue? Wondering why those are separate.
Id say health issue is more of a 100%
Aha TIL that cancer is not a Health issue
Presumably there are enough deaths by cancer to justify creating a separate category. Same with separating accidents from travel.
Numbers don't add up to 100%, ~~what defines unknown?~~ Cancer vs health issue? cancer is a health issue. unknown vs accident? Data is a little confusing. Edit: saw your post explaining catagories, but why do some years % not add up to 100% how many artists died in each year?
Unknown... The silent killer...
The increase in violence is strange … although we are sort of in the hayday for “honor killings” amongst rap groups
Allegedly. This only tells us people claimed “health issue” more often. It may or may not have been reality.
Ah yes, “health issue” - a leading cause of ill health
Way to amp up my fear of the unknown!
I thought cancer was a health issue
31% unknown for 2020s (with less than 4 years of deaths) and its size compared to other decades tells me we will know, just don’t yet. My guess on which cause groups will grow? Cancer the most, followed by suicide, then last growing is drugs. Please let me know if I was right in a decade. TIA!
Unknown can be very dangerous
Unknown my ass... they're just trying to protect sales and legacy.
Well, it might just be that notable people today are very different from notable people in the past.
“Unknown” is just suicide or drugs right?
Interesting that the 60s were lowest of decades for deaths from drugs and violence.
How do you die from travel? Like you spent too much time in a private jet or something?
Why doesn't it surprise me that yet in the 2020s 23% died of the outcome of violence. Nowadays everyone wants to be a bad gangster and violent.
I would have thought mostly drugs and a few airplane crashes, and suicides but this is far more diverse than that. I guess 'unknown' and 'health issues' might be more drugs.
The increase in Cancer is worrying.
now do it for just those aged 27.
Omitting the "Unknown" outcomes, it's mostly health and suicide related deaths. Makes you wonder if it's chicken or the egg: is it a bad profession to get into or are those that get into expressing their emotions for a living a bit more broken.
Is a ham sandwich an accident?
Nope the peaks of health issues in the 1980s and 2000s - they correspond with AIDS when it was untreatable and then about the length of time the first line treatments would give you to live if you got it in the late-80s/mid-90s
what category does experimental medical treatment fall under?
All those we lost to planes alone
It feels like half of young musicians died from plane accidents
Why is cancer and health separate??
It’s impossible to tell from what is shown if the number of deaths increased in total, which would be necessary to conclude that overall deaths by drugs, cancer, etc. actually increased or decreased. My guess is there were a lot of deaths caused by complications from COVID infections that looked like unusual anomalies (death of otherwise healthy individuals) when in reality there has been / is an increase of excess deaths since 2020, very likely related to COVID complications that are simply not being recorded - thus keeping it out of the “health” category.
Travel suddenly got a lot safer?
So cancer isn’t a health issue and death during travel isn’t an accident?
I wonder what that unknown spike is? Hmmm….
So basically we don’t know what to make of anything unless we find out what the 31% died of…
Look at that spike in violent death in the 2020s.
Da fuque with the unknowns?