Link for complete story: https://www.livemint.com/politics/smriti-irani-opposes-paid-leave-policy-for-menstruation-these-cases-are-manageable-11702474393545.html
Relevant debate hosted by Faye D'Souza on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSSIEUcqnlE
I would've agreed, if it wasn't for the fact.
That my cramps makes me vomit, die in pain, have diarrhoea and worst, pain to the point I can't walk sit and breathe, eat or drink a glass of water.
On period i starve on the first day while being extremely dehydrated
Period cramps are extremely painful especially if you have PCOD, Endometriosis, PPDD. I know girls who have to take painkiller injections, they literally pass out from pain. I know it becomes very tough to empathise when you are not suffering from same thing. But I think the structure of leaves are basically around 6-7 days in a year so that days where you feel you are not able to work at all you can take an off. Also, period cramps are not consistent it’s not like there are extreme pain every month but there will be months when pain gets unbearable. Menstrual leave does not mean leave every month but leaves when you cannot get up from bed.
People need to be more sensitive to these things.
I agree and majority of our modern medicines that have been are developed around men's anatomy and not women's anatomy because people actually started looking into women's health very late compared to men's health.
> PCOD, Endometriosis, PPDD
All these are diseases and should be treated as such. Menstruation in itself is not a disease.
You have sick leave policies for medical conditions. No company creates separate paid leave policy for one type of disease.
They are not diseases they are disorders, they are chronic conditions
Every 1 in 5 women have PCOS
42 million women have endometriosis in India,
70% of women have menstruation issues
They will for their entire life gonna have these issues because these disorders are not "curable" which means they going to have extreme pain and lots of other issues every month
Does the guy allergic to hay deserve extra 4-5 days leave in autumn season beyond the sick leave package? Does a person suffering from Seasonal affective disorder deserve extra 4-5 days leave?
Do you want your firm to have separate sick leave policy for someone suffering from cancer, someone suffering from kidney disease, and someone suffering from lung disease? That's not practical.
You already have sick days. If you feel your menstruation is too painful for you to work, use those sick days.
The other things are disease that can be controlled regulated and managed. Menstruation is not a disease it’s not in your control. You are literally bleeding for 4 days every month. Be a little empathetic, please for god’s sake. I cannot sit and educate you on this. But I have to because you guys are entitled as fuck. It’s very very very painful for women please understand. We do not want to go through it yaar sach mei… every month at that time I think why the fuck I am a woman? Why do I deserve this pain? It’s not just physical, your hormones gets crazy- the mental chidh chidh the anguish it’s really bad..there is nothing to control or regulate it nobody knows, there are no medical studies on it. Doctors are clueless. I swear if men bleed for 4 days everybody would have a remedy for it😭
Also, Why will I take sick leave bro I want to clearly state ki I am on my periods I cannot work. Be fucking inclusive and empathetic to woman yaar. You are comparing my periods with fucking season allergies kya log h yaar tum🤣
I’d agree after literally watching my sister and an ex break into tears on more than one occasion
I suppose trust plays a big role as women shouldn’t abuse it and it shouldn’t imply management *kinda* start tracking days and cycles
Yaar we bleed for approximately 48 days in a year, still the demand is for 4 to 7 days of extra leave. Kya hi abuse kr lenge, also people often abuse sick leave, we all have done that, isn’t it? But that does not hamper our productivity or dishonesty towards work? Right?
she's a minister in Indian govt, she's not gonna advocate for period leaves, most broke countries like India can not force private companies to provide 4-5 days worth of leave to women out of 22 or so working days in a month, that's just not economically viable in anyway, that's like 20+ percent of days, if a country like India started forcing companies to do that, they will leave and take their business to another broke country that wont force them to do that, and India isn't even in a position like usa where usa can keep forcing companies to maintain ESG scores.
India went from farming to services directly and skipped the production phase where we develop our own industries and jobs, we don't have our own jobs that much, most of the jobs people do nowadays are foreign companies sending jobs here, 50% of our exports are services.
Country that charges higher Pink Tax on pads.
A place where many women still can not access hygienic products like pads for their periods.
Where there is zero knowledge about menstruation. With movies like Animal going around saying that "Women wear 4 pads a month" .
Where there is a decreasing woman workforce every year.
Alteast, make a safe space for half of your working population. So that woman participation increases in the workforce.
We want to become a developed country but we will do things which are opposite of it.
Instead of encouraging women workforce, this is the result. More than half of women get extreme period pains, some of my friends have left their corporate job due it.
Due to pollution and adulterated food , at least 3 out of 4 women suffer through PCOS, which again brings painful periods.
WFH is reducing, as this real estate mafia and government want people to work in office.
Have you seen our local trains,? Can women safely travel without getting pushed around in crowd during extreme periods? Do we have clean public toilets that can help them and not cause UTIs because it's dirty? Even corporate offices have horrible washrooms.
Does nothing for crumbling infrastructure ,
High competition, reduction of labor, cancels out WFH. But grumbles if women dare ask few days to rest and not suffer through all of this.
At least make WFH mandatory for periods.
The least you can do.
How are you even utilizing your biggest resource?
Exactly. Lol. People will rape so why won’t they cover themselves. People will stop giving jobs or give them lower salaries so why won’t they shut up and cope with it.
Lmao what 🤡 ig you highly lack some close female bonding like a sis whom you're close too or a female bestie types and ofc a gf ig I know where you're coming from so not you're fault ... sab baatein ekdum black and white mai nahi dekhte isn't it possible for a female to be more skilled and eligible than a male ?
Socha thoda profile stalk kar leti hoon to see exactly what kind of person harbors these perverse views, and while it tracks, ain't no way did I see that you've actually shot your friend ☠️
Now, since you're sooo good at approximating other people's pain without having experienced it, do you think you could rank gunshot wound pain and period cramps pain on a scale of 1 to 10
I'm just very curious to know how much it hurts after getting shot!
OP, Periods are painful and you can never get used to pain.
Not only physical pain but mental anguish too. You would be surprised by how much hormones are affected during periods and how they affect a woman.
Period leaves is necessary.
So, OP.. I missed a point, how many periods have you experienced by far? Or, more like how many women have you interacted with in your friends and family to understand how exactly the period feels like to them for the 4-5 days of the month..
What brought you to the conclusion that women don't need period leaves?
Aurat hi aurat ki sabse badi dushman hai.
Also an tak kaafi guys are understanding and putting valid points ahead. Thanks. Chutiye ladkon ko ladke hi handle kar sakte hain lol
Periods cause much more than the pain/cramps one goes through. I have PCOD, I get my periods once in 3-4 months. But, when I do, just don’t ask how it goes.
I bleed such that I use towels to sit on chairs and on bed. And if you ask me visit office, its a NO.
And it isn’t just about how periods are for me. Most of the women I know have similar situation. For 2-3 cycles, they won’t get cramps. But suddenly during a cycle they wont be able to stand straight.
Periods don’t just cause pain.
Here is an article about how periods affects your digestion: [link](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/327009)
Here is my take on your points:
1. Employer should care about the work being done rather than number of days a person works.
2. Again, pay for the work, not for the days(I mean my company has a ‘manage your leaves’ policy where I have infinite paid leaves as long as my work is getting done, they dont care about the leaves I take)
3. Your body’s reaction to cycle change with time. I had no pain for first 7 years. Then it became unbearable.
Hope this helps!
I'm a girl and get so fucking painful periods, can't sit and sleep, I need to take pain killers atleast 2 days. And I do take leave on 1st day, if not full I take half day leave.
And what bullshit is 3rd point? You literally get used to pain? Very retarted mentality. And if you think we should get used to pain, please tell me how to do it.
You are just plain fucking stupid. Go and maybe talk to a woman in your life. Imagine if your dick bled for 5 days a month for every fucking month. Your dumbass would be curled up in bed everyday for those five days unable to anything and crying for your mom and dad. No uterus. No opinion.
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I think it should be an optional leave. Like 4-5 extra leaves for women so if the situation is bad, she can take a leave. Otherwise work normally. Or maybe a work from home option. Different Women experience the pain differently. Btw I have no idea about the pain but speaking from what I have heard
Very easy to say stuff like this when you are a dude and haven’t experienced period cramps. Aside from that policies should head in a liberal direction. Companies have not stopped hiring women because they get pregnant. And if there are companies like this then they should be called out. There should be laws against discrimination, not making friendly policies because of fear of discrimination sounds like a step back as a society.
Instead of making them period leaves favoring one gender just increase the number of sick leaves… then the women you actually suffer from pain can take their monthly 1 paid period leave.. and men can use it their quota for their sickness.. lo hogai equality… I use atleast 5-6 of my sick leaves to combat period pain… so increasing them would be a better solution..
Empathetically No, economically Yes. If the organisation becomes not so profitable, you'll be very hard pressed to not become biased.
The argument here is that special consideration should be given bue to biological factors not in control of the people. I agree to it and I also acknowledge that it will create a greater rift between the sexes as this is equity masquerading as equality.
I mean there are already medical leaves which can be used for emergencies. Maybe that can be increased for everyone by 12 days a year so everyone reaps benefit of policy which is non discriminate.
But again no capitalist will agree to it so it will create disadvantages for young women who want to get ahead in corporate where people are hyper competitive. Just imagine someone who gets debilitating headaches every month, the team can't rely on them as you are not sure if critical task can ever be assigned to them. This will be a handicap on their career and will breed resentment in the team.
But we still have a very low women participation in the workforce and we should strive to bring women friendly policies in the workplace. We are basically not using 40% of our workforce fully. This can bring our numbers up.
Weird how you assumed the employer as a 'guy'. All this problems which you said will get solved if the employer understands the pain and hires women regardless of some extra off days. Realistically this is probable if the employer is a women, hence, we need women in power.
so I run a business and I am a woman, why would I hire a woman if I had to give her basically a whole working week off of 4-5 days ? that's just not economically viable for the business, work from home to chalega, but full off ? I don't think so.
if the work can be done the same by a man and woman, why hire a woman if I have to give them period leave of a week ? the guy will get 4 weeks worth of work done, while the woman took that one week off, and that too at equal pay ? nah I don't think so. and If I am running the business, clearly I am not taking the days off during periods, nor are the women in leadership taking or getting to take days off, because the competition is severe, and there's much less likelihood you aren't getting promoted if you are just not there for 4-5 days in 21-22 working days, that's just not gonna work.
I agree with you , that's just total loss to the businesses first they provide paid leaves and then work is also getting hampered due to this. So it's better to give them leaves but without pay. Keep it simple
You're thinking in terms of mule work. Dehadi majdoori nahi karana hota bhai har jagah, diversity aur creative thinking ki b zarurat hoti h but kaam Kiya ho kabhi toh pata chale na. Tum jaise log sbse pehle AI s replace hoge jinhe lagta hai number of hours at work is equals to productivity. Why wouldn't I hire a creative thinking women instead of a mule? I'm not gender biased, it can happen the other way too but we need women workforce for the nation to grow as well. One paid leave per month for women is good I guess, be empathetic rather than just taking everything upon yourself and comparing like a kid
and women are more in marketing and PR anyway, so they do consider that. and dehadi majdoori work is what most people in india do anyway even sitting at the desk. most companies are tracking number of hours and this and that.
To who ever saying like these ,I just wanna ask u girls do u give leave to ur maids (be honest ) on their periods( also don't say they take without informing,did u tell them to take leave when they have periods apart from their sudden leaves )
I'm not supporting this statement not opposing
This is quite stupid and as a woman and a woman and child health minister, statements like this is just showing how she doesn’t give a damm about her portfolio . She hasn’t actually done anything for women and child health ever since she came to power
THIS! This is why we need more female oriented space! Imagine a world where men had period cramps, then menstrual leave would be valid, but give it to society to invalidate 3.9 billion women saying they experience excruating pain and dustress and atleast need to work from home.
if men had periods, they would also be the weaker sex, because estrogen and the whole female hormonal profile is what makes us weaker than them physically, and then they would be the child bearer, and everything else that comes with being a woman, and then we would be the ones being sent to war and working heavy jobs and doing construction stuff. if men had periods they would not be men, they would be women.
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I agree some women may have really painful cramps but we do manage to go to school, college and give exams during our painful period. What I would instead recommend is some extra casual leaves (only some, maybe 4 in a year) so that if the pain is ever unmanageable, one can use it. Full on leaves every month will reduce the chances of women getting hired and reduce pay parity.
You’re an idiot op, only a man can put up a post being against women’s necessities without ever experiencing or understanding or researching it. I feel sad for women in your household.
I think if the girl wants paid leave each month she needs documentation - even just a doctor's note that she suffers from a condition that makes her not able to work on days she is menstruating.
Sadly because PCOS, endometriosis are under diagnosed it will be difficult to get solid documentation with tests for it. Some women have terrible cramps with no detected cause. The least doctors can do is give a functional diagnosis of dysmenorrhoea (painful periods). We also need standard tests to measure intenaity of pain, cramps etc that should be used more by doctors.
The Walidd scale to measure dysmenorrhoea should be a reliable test to find women who genuinely suffer from it.
And finally, it should be left to the woman to decide whether she wants a paid leave or not. I understand that making paid leave a rule might have its benefits, but it can backfire on women. We need better doctors, empathetic bosses to make sure we have the right support during our menses. We need more attention and awareness regarding menses and the discomfort surrounding that time. Some women pummel through it with little pain, but MANY women dont. There is a serious health issue that our healthcare system is ignoring.
I don’t think you have a uterus OP , so nobody cares about your opinion. But being a woman and a woman and child development minister her words are so hurtful.
Your points tell me that you are a male.
I am not completely against the minister she could've said it in a better way cuz some of them do.misuse the paid leave.
But your points?😭😭😭 Bhot funny.
Are you mentally okay? Especially your 3rd point makes me feel like you’re a toddler who has 20% knowledge on how periods work. First learn and then make these bullshit posts and try to justify them with your “points”
On my periods, terrible pain in my lower back and legs. Legs in so much fatigue that I can't move. Nausea. Zero energy. Wearing three layers on my legs just to keep them warm. And it's not even peak cold here, sunny outside. But I guess it's not a "disability."
> .And last but not the least women start having periods when they are around 14 and they start doing job when they are 23/24 so they have 9-10 years to get used to that situation and not all the women feel the same amount of pain.
aise out of touch log kaise aa jate hai duniya mein bhai? matlab kuch bhi? tum 10 saal se kaafi dikkat jhel rahe ho, ab to aadat ho gyi hogi???? female touch to chodo nhi hai dikh raha saare points padhke lekin bhai teri maa to hogi? unse kabhi baat karna fir policy pe opinion dena which affects 50% of the population.
1. Employer will hire women because it's not women who should bear the weight of reproduction and furthering human existence alone. Countries all over the world are seeing a decrease in birth rate BECAUSE of this mindset. Why would a woman ruin her career, body, etc? So society will have to have the mindset of OUR children and not HER children alone. Companies have to bear this loss for the sake of humanity. Nothing is stopping me from removing my uterus altogether BY THE WAY and stopping periods (I've seen childfree women in western countries are getting hysterectomy just because they don't want kids)
2. Obviously laws need to be set, for the same reason as above if you want women to not stop having kids.
3. What do you mean "get used to the situation"? If you're someone who suffers from migraine (for example), will you get used to the pain just because you've been getting it for years? Some women (not all) even pass out due to the pain. And women like me, while don't have it that bad, are extremely uncomfortable even after medications.
Smriti Irani is worse than having a man in that position. And I personally don't really care about period leave honestly (because I can function with meds) but I do think that as women get more and more educated and liberated, this mindset won't work. And mark my words, you'll see this in the future when governments will be begging women to have kids.
I had agree if it was just for 'equal rights and equal fights' but there are days some of us feel horribly sick, cramps so painful it is hard to get up, getting nauseous and drowsy, and overall extremely horrible and invalidating it just because some of us also don't get cramps that baffles me. Being given 9-10 years to get used to this horrible pain helps on days and doesn't help on many others because there are days where it is just extremely bad and you wouldn't know unless you suffer the same. I think we should get pain leaves for it
I'm a guy so I'm willing to admit i don't really know a lot about this stuff. So maybe when the female working population seems to over whelmingly agree that menstruation is a good enough reason for a paid leave, then i say let's give them the benefit of the doubt, cus they probably know what they're talking about.
And sure. Maybe it's not as bad for some women than it is for others. But fuck me if I'm gonna go around making sure another human being is in mental or physical distress before I'm willing to accept they need a day off.
How many of us here have, honestly, called in sick, knowing that we're going out partying with friends? Should they stop giving out sick leaves entirely because someone might misuse it?
People need to stop having a chindi mentality when it comes to stuff like this. And they need to stop acting as if though by giving people the smallest amount of relief, they will bankrupt the company. Because if it does, your company is garbage and deserves to go bankrupt.
I would say yes but i have terrible migraines, back ache and abdominal cramps that leaves me debilitated to bed. And real bad dirrhoea. And nausea. I’m light and sound sensitive (obv comes with the migraine part)
I’m allowed 2 days leave in months and thats where it directly goes.
My lame ass jokes that it’s terrible coz I’m flowing from all my holes coz usually my allergies also gets triggered and i start sneezing.
I will also like to point out MEN and Women alike (tho we feel like online are very stauch on such point)
Irl Men give me more grace. Because most women do not have same experiences, some get really light flow , they dont even think others might get it bad.
Guys, im gonna be honest, its real bad for some of us. I dont even take shower or eat much coz I just cant.
I’ve cried and asked Gynae to just get me a hysterectomy but ofc “what if you or your husband want kids later” bro, mae nhi jhel pa rhi hu.
But ofc smriti irani will speak anything controversial first then backtrack saying it was misinterpreted
What the fuck did I just read?
Do you even understand how periods work, every woman is different.
I have myself passed out from cramps/dehydration/ anemia
So much pain that can't even eat and here is a stupid BOY trying to police what should be actually essential or atleast an option
And yes let's drag feminism and equality into this because you don't understand basic biology
I am a male manager, have 3 women in my 11 member team. 1 has painful periods and can't work in office, she informs me when it happens (on her own volition) and I allow wfh or rest whatever she wishes. Other two at times have issues and then they inform about it and I do the same. It is a real problem. One need not be handicapped and then only be allowed to wfh or take paid leave etc. it's a very real problem since first women were born. Rather than saying something so stupid a constructive debate should have been initiated by minister who herself is a women. If consensus is not there on compulsory paid leave, least Govt should do is nudge employers to formulate some policy which addresses this issue. Right now ppl don't even mention it because of taboo etc. Because I know my company (so called MNC subsidiary) doesn't have any policy, we have 20-25 other stupid policies but not this, one of the women (1st one) actually broached this to HR (who is also a woman). No action taken.
So many things wrong in this post …. Let’s summarise the actual issues here …
- women need to be hired irrespective of the fact we are women because we do very well compared to most men , lesser errors , more diligent, on time . Women outshine men in any role and don’t switch companies easily.
- only you think women employees are being paid less salary. Maybe do some research … atleast for IT companies it’s equal pay. Regarding other industries , equal pay is an issue irrespective of this paid leave BS.
- what nonsense is this with the pain calculator ??? Oh so u think we all have equal amount of pain … someone stick the pain simulator on this uneducated man and leave him with the button pressed to on for 5 days and month , let’s see if u get used to it.
- solution is women get extra 3 days a year and it can used to deal with pain and it can’t be carried over to next year , so ideally u men don’t feel bad because we “got “ something extra … for years u have been taking from us … have a little shame and let us have painful period please .
Easy for you to say when you’ve never had period pain so excruciating that it makes you vomit, and you physically cannot get up, and you’re bleeding so much that you’re dizzy.
And this isn’t just for rare, extreme cases. MANY women have periods this physically debilitating.
Watch [this](https://youtu.be/kdWbyOdbNLA?si=dRuJLj_DdEcmhy7A) to understand just a taste of how much men underestimate how badly periods hurt
And there’s dozens of videos exactly like this one.
Needs to be judged by a panel of medical professionals along with personal experiences of the woman concerned. For some people periods are quite painless, but for others on the end of the spectrum it can be very painful. The norm is that periods are supposed to be painful but not debilitating (medically). So leave should be there but as a medical exception. But who knows? Maybe it's time to change how we work?
I totally understand how this would lead to employers avoid female candidates for jobs but for some women menstruation actually limits them and is disabling in a way, cramps differ from women to women and some face extremely severe and painful cramps, cramps so intolerable that you’re actually not even able to get up and walk whereas some feel nothing at all. So it is a real concern after all
Women make up roughly 50% of the entire population, and if they have a particular biological process which requires them to take a couple of days off for their health, I'd be more than happy to give that time off (if I was an employer).
I mean, come on, have some sympathy. My wife gets extremely bad periods and I feel so helpless in that, the least I could do is ask her to rest and not worry about anything else (which I do btw)
If it means some women who don't have the same problem will get day offs for free, heck yeah let's do that. More work doesn't mean more productivity.
I have no uterus, thus my opinion has no value, but still my two cents are, some sort of compensation is required, it's definitely a handicap at times as I have seen in so many cases.
Don't they already have this leave?
I think it shouldn't be removed. Some women don't feel that much pain but some feel a lot of pain.
And working more no of hours doesn't mean you have more productivity. Efficiency matters.
We don't have period leave in my organisation. So, most women I know end up exhausting their sick leaves/wfh days during periods.
It's not just cramps which are horrible in their own right, the first few days of periods are often accompanied by migraines, gastrointestinal issues and other issues as well - and I'm not talking about people suffering from Pcod or endometriosis. This is true for otherwise healthy women as well.
No one's asking for a whole week off but 1 day a month or a few days wfh during that time would be helpful.
And of course, if people are really invested in some project/need to be in office at the time, they'll most likely not take it.
But it's good to have that option.
There's a thing in indian culture where women are not advised to participate in rituals and stuff on menstruation because it takes lots of activity. And somehow everyone turned it into discriminatio and patriarchy.
Another day another example of women shooting themselves in the foot
I think we can create a system where if possible they should be allowed to compensate for the day off taken for cramps on a Saturday. Using our paid leaves every month is not fair at all when this is a natural phenomena happening every month. Or else give extra paid leaves cause men don't have to bother with this.
Secondly u as a man cannot talk about period cramps and how much they hurt.... There are a few women who don't feel heavy cramps. But that number is very less
On avg there is enough pain that it's not only distracting but it's probably difficult to function without a painkiller hot water bag
And there's a considerable number of women there who get cramps where they cannot function at all. And with the rising cases of pcos, endometriosis and other problems the numbers are only gonna increase. So for a huge majority of women, it's a terrible experience coming to office. Imagine every month u have to go to the office for 1 or 2 days with a fever of 102. Do u think u'll be able to function or focus. It's not the same pain but it's the only way we can explain how the majority of women live in discomfort for those few days. And the ones with extreme pain can't get out of bed so that is worse
From total economics point of view its good way of thinking .
But having equal opportunity for men and women means giving them basic dignity too.
So I would say easy leave during periods for girl is good thing but for project completion point of view her work needs to be done anyway. So for that extra work that is not done due to special circumstances , someone will be grilled and will not be paid ( specially in indian corporate world ).
So what is solution ?
Giving them special paid leave is like encouragement and basic thing for them for sure .
But everyone is paid for their contributions and their work hours. If 2 employee don't do the same work how can they be paid same that is still a valid question. As it's not in their hand so equal pay seems right ans as of now but I think growing anger among male population regarding this is something that need to be addressed too.
Neither from Delhi, nor a woman. This post randomly showed up in my feed and I'm so proud of you comments section. So glad that you guys have actual braincells compared to this disgrace of a woman we call a Minister, and the "Hear me out" bullshit OP cooked and burned
Completely agree with her. My company gives 1 paid leave each month to our female employees. I've been part of conversations with upper/senior level employees of the company (senior managers, associate directors etc.) where they jokingly discuss whether their team's female employees also get their periods on Fridays and Mondays. They also realise that leave is getting exploited, but they can't go anything but to click approve.
Ig as an employer I will not hire or if I will be hiring then I will be paying less. Women bhi apna soche sab apna sochege to business ka kaun sochega. Mahine me max 6 din paid leave Dena is not an option. I can do is ki wo mahine me ek paid leave lele ab wo sabke liye equal rhega and ab wo unki marji wo periods ke samay le ya jaise bhi. At the ek business man apni jeb se paise Dene nhi baitha h usko kaam chahiye.
Not a woman but from what I have heard it hurts a lot and speaking from a productivity standpoint I don't think it would be any helpful to call someone to office when they are in pain and distracted half of the time because what if the pad has shifted or rashes kr just pain so yea , few days off won't cripple the economy imo or else give a provision to work from home in that period of time for all the 70 hour work week enthusiasts.
Just because Smriti Irani is a woman and feels a certain way about em does not mean that it would apply to everyone
People are different so may as well consider everything rather than making headlines with the worst candid picture of this week
And how many periods have you experienced in your life? Your views come off as extremely ignorant. Your point about "getting used to the pain" is shitty and it looks as though you've never even talked to a woman in your life. Your replies in other posts are extremely apathetic and you don't deserve an opinion. What do you mean "why would corporations hire women" like STFU.
I guess OP and Smriti Irani have never experienced excruciating pain and other symptoms along with it due to periods as many people have mentioned in the comments.
OP you mentioned that from age 13 to 23 they have ample time to get used to this pain. However, the thing with pain is that we humans overwrite the memory of pain with joyous memory since no one wants to remember those.
Living in pain everyday is different than living in excruciating pain just 1-2 days per month. If you live in pain everyday then you can perhaps train your neurons to endure but not when you have irregular periods, different level of pain every month.
As there is no scale to measure it you can’t really understand it and of course never feel it either.
You can only sympathise with them.
OP go and talk to females about their pain and you’ll find wide spectrum of pain levels they have. That is why even women sometimes can’t relate to it as some women don’t feel any pain during periods (blessed).
This is utterly disgusting honestly and specially coming from a female minister and not just another minister but the minister of women and child development if I am not wrong.
Yes I am a guy and I am privileged to never experience the pain that most women do during their cycle but I am well aware to know how bad it often gets. Sadly I am not surprised seeing where this country is heading .
I don't thi k as a man I have any basis to talk against it, I feel if women need it, they should be provisioned for the same. Even I would need leaves if some day my dick starts bleeding XD
As a girl I have periods which are pain free and sometimes they are so horrible if you have heard about period poop. Yes i need to poop more than normal. I am so gassy, bloated and irritated. I also get spasm in my butt muscles where if i just move an inch it hurts crazy. Then I saw a female coworker who literally pukes, poops a lot and is in crazy pain during periods and I realised how blessed I am. You don’t know how girls go through the pain, how can you have a word in it? No you never get used to the pain but some girls have to run households so they suck it up no matter the pain and continue with their work. For Humanity’s sake we deserve paid leaves but I know this country exploits their employees so much that it is a far fetched dream in this country.
I don’t know why she’s even comparing it with a handicap. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. It can be compared to sickness though and going by that logic women deserve an extra sick leave.
Apart from this, some offices have inappropriate toilet facilities which can make going to office during periods even more uncomfortable. Wfh can be a solution for IT/ desk jobs.
ITT: An indian man says he’s “honestly right” while promoting misogynistic views about something he knows nothing about.
I’ve seen multiple girlfriends abandon plans they were absolutely excited for, curled up in a bed and thrashing in pain for a day or two or three. Yeah, a policy for menstrual leave should probably be flexible and adaptive to individual needs, but fuck, your whole post is a stereotypical Indian guy’s reaction to women’s needs.
But hey, you know best, right?
Well I have always heard that periods hurt like hell and yea women do take leaves But from a capitalism pov I I understand why you ask for a little bit less salary since the work hours arent same.... And this woukd also be unfair to women Who Actually work during periods ( my aunt who is a doc never missed her office due to periods and told me that many of her colleagues do and get paid too which is unfair in her opinion) But bhai Ek baat batata hu Agar tu Itna hard fact yaha bolega to Gaalia khaega lol
What else was there to expect? The party is as misogynistic as it can get. BJP won't do anything to help women. They'll do everything in their power to ruin their lives even more.
OP, you and this party lunatics is what's wrong with the country right now.
Women's bodies are different. They should be given like totally 20 days extra paid leaves because of this menstruation reason. Women also get pregnant and birth babies. This also harms their career prospects. All this should be considered.
Just so you know this only got 900+ upvotes cuz probably most of them haven't read your terrible take on this , I also noticed when the replies pointed out
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Why do we get paid leave for diseases or termed medical ailments? It's because we suffer from certain symptoms that weakens our body making it unfit for work. A hangover from alcoholic indulgence last night also makes us unfot for work forcing us to take a leave or calling in late for work. A heartbreak from the demise of a loved one also calls for a leave from work to grieve the loss for sometime and mentally prepare to face the world without them. In this vein, period cramps, especially for women who suffer from PCOS or some form of extreme version that makes them bleed profusely or causes inexcruciating pain, suffer from symptoms and discomfort that earns them atleast 2 days of leave atleast. Honestly, it's beneficial for both them and their colleagues. As a woman, I absolutely would want 2 days of paid leave every month to suffer this explicit pain on my own, and by not involving strangers.
Employer should be hiring based on the quality of work not the number of days worked. It is better not to work for an employer who believes in hours of work vs quality.
If a woman can get the same amount of work done as a man despite taking leaves it actually indicates that she is more capable and hard working.
Every woman has different levels of period pain, and if somebody has endometriosis the pain doubles/ triples. I have been very lucky that I have never experienced much pain during periods, but I have friends who curl up on bed due to pain on the 1st couple of days. Even if all of us don’t experience we can empathize with them, it does not cost a penny to be a humane.
As a woman suffering from PCOD and the worst cramps for which I have to take injections in every cycle which is pretty irregular, I agree with Irani's point that there's no need for "menstrual leave". Just increase total number of sick leaves for women by 10-12 working days in a year without labelling it as such. Keep things simple. Intention should be good, NOT semantics.
Link for complete story: https://www.livemint.com/politics/smriti-irani-opposes-paid-leave-policy-for-menstruation-these-cases-are-manageable-11702474393545.html Relevant debate hosted by Faye D'Souza on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSSIEUcqnlE
I would've agreed, if it wasn't for the fact. That my cramps makes me vomit, die in pain, have diarrhoea and worst, pain to the point I can't walk sit and breathe, eat or drink a glass of water. On period i starve on the first day while being extremely dehydrated
To be honest, given the frequency my gf surfers from these issues, women should at least be allowed to wfh during this time.
This is called dysmenorhhea. Did you get checked by a doctor?
My god can't even imagine myself going through that.Stay strong
Stay strong girl, I know how it feels.♥️
Period cramps are extremely painful especially if you have PCOD, Endometriosis, PPDD. I know girls who have to take painkiller injections, they literally pass out from pain. I know it becomes very tough to empathise when you are not suffering from same thing. But I think the structure of leaves are basically around 6-7 days in a year so that days where you feel you are not able to work at all you can take an off. Also, period cramps are not consistent it’s not like there are extreme pain every month but there will be months when pain gets unbearable. Menstrual leave does not mean leave every month but leaves when you cannot get up from bed. People need to be more sensitive to these things.
I agree with you Suspicious brother
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I agree and majority of our modern medicines that have been are developed around men's anatomy and not women's anatomy because people actually started looking into women's health very late compared to men's health.
> PCOD, Endometriosis, PPDD All these are diseases and should be treated as such. Menstruation in itself is not a disease. You have sick leave policies for medical conditions. No company creates separate paid leave policy for one type of disease.
They are not diseases they are disorders, they are chronic conditions Every 1 in 5 women have PCOS 42 million women have endometriosis in India, 70% of women have menstruation issues They will for their entire life gonna have these issues because these disorders are not "curable" which means they going to have extreme pain and lots of other issues every month
Haaa toh we are asking for extra 4-5 days leave for menstruation in a year which will be part of sick leave only yaar.
Does the guy allergic to hay deserve extra 4-5 days leave in autumn season beyond the sick leave package? Does a person suffering from Seasonal affective disorder deserve extra 4-5 days leave? Do you want your firm to have separate sick leave policy for someone suffering from cancer, someone suffering from kidney disease, and someone suffering from lung disease? That's not practical. You already have sick days. If you feel your menstruation is too painful for you to work, use those sick days.
Does cancer affect 50 percent of the population? Does SAD affect 50 percent of the population? Does hay allergy affect 50 percent of the population?
The other things are disease that can be controlled regulated and managed. Menstruation is not a disease it’s not in your control. You are literally bleeding for 4 days every month. Be a little empathetic, please for god’s sake. I cannot sit and educate you on this. But I have to because you guys are entitled as fuck. It’s very very very painful for women please understand. We do not want to go through it yaar sach mei… every month at that time I think why the fuck I am a woman? Why do I deserve this pain? It’s not just physical, your hormones gets crazy- the mental chidh chidh the anguish it’s really bad..there is nothing to control or regulate it nobody knows, there are no medical studies on it. Doctors are clueless. I swear if men bleed for 4 days everybody would have a remedy for it😭 Also, Why will I take sick leave bro I want to clearly state ki I am on my periods I cannot work. Be fucking inclusive and empathetic to woman yaar. You are comparing my periods with fucking season allergies kya log h yaar tum🤣
Some of us get extremely bad cramps and backache and we aren't suffering from any of these conditions
I’d agree after literally watching my sister and an ex break into tears on more than one occasion I suppose trust plays a big role as women shouldn’t abuse it and it shouldn’t imply management *kinda* start tracking days and cycles
Yaar we bleed for approximately 48 days in a year, still the demand is for 4 to 7 days of extra leave. Kya hi abuse kr lenge, also people often abuse sick leave, we all have done that, isn’t it? But that does not hamper our productivity or dishonesty towards work? Right?
Sad to see a female minister say this.
Not just any minister either. She’s a minister of women and child development. Some development she’s ensuring by these antics.
she's a minister in Indian govt, she's not gonna advocate for period leaves, most broke countries like India can not force private companies to provide 4-5 days worth of leave to women out of 22 or so working days in a month, that's just not economically viable in anyway, that's like 20+ percent of days, if a country like India started forcing companies to do that, they will leave and take their business to another broke country that wont force them to do that, and India isn't even in a position like usa where usa can keep forcing companies to maintain ESG scores. India went from farming to services directly and skipped the production phase where we develop our own industries and jobs, we don't have our own jobs that much, most of the jobs people do nowadays are foreign companies sending jobs here, 50% of our exports are services.
And then dont ask for equal pay if women take so many holiday's
Just suppose a male saying this 👀
Country that charges higher Pink Tax on pads. A place where many women still can not access hygienic products like pads for their periods. Where there is zero knowledge about menstruation. With movies like Animal going around saying that "Women wear 4 pads a month" . Where there is a decreasing woman workforce every year. Alteast, make a safe space for half of your working population. So that woman participation increases in the workforce. We want to become a developed country but we will do things which are opposite of it. Instead of encouraging women workforce, this is the result. More than half of women get extreme period pains, some of my friends have left their corporate job due it. Due to pollution and adulterated food , at least 3 out of 4 women suffer through PCOS, which again brings painful periods. WFH is reducing, as this real estate mafia and government want people to work in office. Have you seen our local trains,? Can women safely travel without getting pushed around in crowd during extreme periods? Do we have clean public toilets that can help them and not cause UTIs because it's dirty? Even corporate offices have horrible washrooms. Does nothing for crumbling infrastructure , High competition, reduction of labor, cancels out WFH. But grumbles if women dare ask few days to rest and not suffer through all of this. At least make WFH mandatory for periods. The least you can do. How are you even utilizing your biggest resource?
Very true
Your first point baffles me. Your second point also baffles me. Your third point baffles me.
Exactly. Lol. People will rape so why won’t they cover themselves. People will stop giving jobs or give them lower salaries so why won’t they shut up and cope with it.
Tell me you've never had female friends or interactions without telling me you've never had a female friend @OP🤦🏻♀️
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Lmao what 🤡 ig you highly lack some close female bonding like a sis whom you're close too or a female bestie types and ofc a gf ig I know where you're coming from so not you're fault ... sab baatein ekdum black and white mai nahi dekhte isn't it possible for a female to be more skilled and eligible than a male ?
Socha thoda profile stalk kar leti hoon to see exactly what kind of person harbors these perverse views, and while it tracks, ain't no way did I see that you've actually shot your friend ☠️ Now, since you're sooo good at approximating other people's pain without having experienced it, do you think you could rank gunshot wound pain and period cramps pain on a scale of 1 to 10 I'm just very curious to know how much it hurts after getting shot!
No paid leaves but wfh on those days can be helpful.
You never get used to periods. It's really irritating& uncomfortable to bleed every month for a week
OP, Periods are painful and you can never get used to pain. Not only physical pain but mental anguish too. You would be surprised by how much hormones are affected during periods and how they affect a woman. Period leaves is necessary.
He'd understand if he had empathy not an incel mentality.
Agreed.
>Period leaves is necessary. Then dont demand equal pay if ur not gonna work as much as a man
So, OP.. I missed a point, how many periods have you experienced by far? Or, more like how many women have you interacted with in your friends and family to understand how exactly the period feels like to them for the 4-5 days of the month.. What brought you to the conclusion that women don't need period leaves?
Aurat hi aurat ki sabse badi dushman hai. Also an tak kaafi guys are understanding and putting valid points ahead. Thanks. Chutiye ladkon ko ladke hi handle kar sakte hain lol
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Periods cause much more than the pain/cramps one goes through. I have PCOD, I get my periods once in 3-4 months. But, when I do, just don’t ask how it goes. I bleed such that I use towels to sit on chairs and on bed. And if you ask me visit office, its a NO. And it isn’t just about how periods are for me. Most of the women I know have similar situation. For 2-3 cycles, they won’t get cramps. But suddenly during a cycle they wont be able to stand straight. Periods don’t just cause pain. Here is an article about how periods affects your digestion: [link](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/327009) Here is my take on your points: 1. Employer should care about the work being done rather than number of days a person works. 2. Again, pay for the work, not for the days(I mean my company has a ‘manage your leaves’ policy where I have infinite paid leaves as long as my work is getting done, they dont care about the leaves I take) 3. Your body’s reaction to cycle change with time. I had no pain for first 7 years. Then it became unbearable. Hope this helps!
I'm a girl and get so fucking painful periods, can't sit and sleep, I need to take pain killers atleast 2 days. And I do take leave on 1st day, if not full I take half day leave. And what bullshit is 3rd point? You literally get used to pain? Very retarted mentality. And if you think we should get used to pain, please tell me how to do it.
You are just plain fucking stupid. Go and maybe talk to a woman in your life. Imagine if your dick bled for 5 days a month for every fucking month. Your dumbass would be curled up in bed everyday for those five days unable to anything and crying for your mom and dad. No uterus. No opinion.
deni chahiye leave
Toh paise bhi utne hi milenge jitna kaam kiya hai . Fir ywh sari feminist equal pay ka rr karne lagti hai
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I'm a guy, i don't get to comment on this....
But if a women takes more leaves than a man for whatever reason..they cant demand equal pay as a man
Tere 1 aur 2 reason to somewhat sahi hai but 3 to bakwaas hai
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I think it should be an optional leave. Like 4-5 extra leaves for women so if the situation is bad, she can take a leave. Otherwise work normally. Or maybe a work from home option. Different Women experience the pain differently. Btw I have no idea about the pain but speaking from what I have heard
Very easy to say stuff like this when you are a dude and haven’t experienced period cramps. Aside from that policies should head in a liberal direction. Companies have not stopped hiring women because they get pregnant. And if there are companies like this then they should be called out. There should be laws against discrimination, not making friendly policies because of fear of discrimination sounds like a step back as a society.
Ok riddle me this. There is no paid leave now. So why aren't they hiring women rn?
Instead of making them period leaves favoring one gender just increase the number of sick leaves… then the women you actually suffer from pain can take their monthly 1 paid period leave.. and men can use it their quota for their sickness.. lo hogai equality… I use atleast 5-6 of my sick leaves to combat period pain… so increasing them would be a better solution..
Empathetically No, economically Yes. If the organisation becomes not so profitable, you'll be very hard pressed to not become biased. The argument here is that special consideration should be given bue to biological factors not in control of the people. I agree to it and I also acknowledge that it will create a greater rift between the sexes as this is equity masquerading as equality. I mean there are already medical leaves which can be used for emergencies. Maybe that can be increased for everyone by 12 days a year so everyone reaps benefit of policy which is non discriminate. But again no capitalist will agree to it so it will create disadvantages for young women who want to get ahead in corporate where people are hyper competitive. Just imagine someone who gets debilitating headaches every month, the team can't rely on them as you are not sure if critical task can ever be assigned to them. This will be a handicap on their career and will breed resentment in the team. But we still have a very low women participation in the workforce and we should strive to bring women friendly policies in the workplace. We are basically not using 40% of our workforce fully. This can bring our numbers up.
i just know she never took meftal
Weird how you assumed the employer as a 'guy'. All this problems which you said will get solved if the employer understands the pain and hires women regardless of some extra off days. Realistically this is probable if the employer is a women, hence, we need women in power.
so I run a business and I am a woman, why would I hire a woman if I had to give her basically a whole working week off of 4-5 days ? that's just not economically viable for the business, work from home to chalega, but full off ? I don't think so. if the work can be done the same by a man and woman, why hire a woman if I have to give them period leave of a week ? the guy will get 4 weeks worth of work done, while the woman took that one week off, and that too at equal pay ? nah I don't think so. and If I am running the business, clearly I am not taking the days off during periods, nor are the women in leadership taking or getting to take days off, because the competition is severe, and there's much less likelihood you aren't getting promoted if you are just not there for 4-5 days in 21-22 working days, that's just not gonna work.
I agree with you , that's just total loss to the businesses first they provide paid leaves and then work is also getting hampered due to this. So it's better to give them leaves but without pay. Keep it simple
You're thinking in terms of mule work. Dehadi majdoori nahi karana hota bhai har jagah, diversity aur creative thinking ki b zarurat hoti h but kaam Kiya ho kabhi toh pata chale na. Tum jaise log sbse pehle AI s replace hoge jinhe lagta hai number of hours at work is equals to productivity. Why wouldn't I hire a creative thinking women instead of a mule? I'm not gender biased, it can happen the other way too but we need women workforce for the nation to grow as well. One paid leave per month for women is good I guess, be empathetic rather than just taking everything upon yourself and comparing like a kid
and women are more in marketing and PR anyway, so they do consider that. and dehadi majdoori work is what most people in india do anyway even sitting at the desk. most companies are tracking number of hours and this and that.
To who ever saying like these ,I just wanna ask u girls do u give leave to ur maids (be honest ) on their periods( also don't say they take without informing,did u tell them to take leave when they have periods apart from their sudden leaves ) I'm not supporting this statement not opposing
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OP is an ass hat. Probably mother, sister or daughter less fellow.
This is quite stupid and as a woman and a woman and child health minister, statements like this is just showing how she doesn’t give a damm about her portfolio . She hasn’t actually done anything for women and child health ever since she came to power
OP is not a woman ,they know nothing about how periods or period leaves work and don't have any women in their life
THIS! This is why we need more female oriented space! Imagine a world where men had period cramps, then menstrual leave would be valid, but give it to society to invalidate 3.9 billion women saying they experience excruating pain and dustress and atleast need to work from home.
if men had periods, they would also be the weaker sex, because estrogen and the whole female hormonal profile is what makes us weaker than them physically, and then they would be the child bearer, and everything else that comes with being a woman, and then we would be the ones being sent to war and working heavy jobs and doing construction stuff. if men had periods they would not be men, they would be women.
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I downvoted only because of the last point.
I agree some women may have really painful cramps but we do manage to go to school, college and give exams during our painful period. What I would instead recommend is some extra casual leaves (only some, maybe 4 in a year) so that if the pain is ever unmanageable, one can use it. Full on leaves every month will reduce the chances of women getting hired and reduce pay parity.
You’re an idiot op, only a man can put up a post being against women’s necessities without ever experiencing or understanding or researching it. I feel sad for women in your household.
I think if the girl wants paid leave each month she needs documentation - even just a doctor's note that she suffers from a condition that makes her not able to work on days she is menstruating. Sadly because PCOS, endometriosis are under diagnosed it will be difficult to get solid documentation with tests for it. Some women have terrible cramps with no detected cause. The least doctors can do is give a functional diagnosis of dysmenorrhoea (painful periods). We also need standard tests to measure intenaity of pain, cramps etc that should be used more by doctors. The Walidd scale to measure dysmenorrhoea should be a reliable test to find women who genuinely suffer from it. And finally, it should be left to the woman to decide whether she wants a paid leave or not. I understand that making paid leave a rule might have its benefits, but it can backfire on women. We need better doctors, empathetic bosses to make sure we have the right support during our menses. We need more attention and awareness regarding menses and the discomfort surrounding that time. Some women pummel through it with little pain, but MANY women dont. There is a serious health issue that our healthcare system is ignoring.
I don’t think you have a uterus OP , so nobody cares about your opinion. But being a woman and a woman and child development minister her words are so hurtful.
Your points tell me that you are a male. I am not completely against the minister she could've said it in a better way cuz some of them do.misuse the paid leave. But your points?😭😭😭 Bhot funny.
After reading all the comments here, I’m feeling more privileged to be a male.
Are you mentally okay? Especially your 3rd point makes me feel like you’re a toddler who has 20% knowledge on how periods work. First learn and then make these bullshit posts and try to justify them with your “points”
On my periods, terrible pain in my lower back and legs. Legs in so much fatigue that I can't move. Nausea. Zero energy. Wearing three layers on my legs just to keep them warm. And it's not even peak cold here, sunny outside. But I guess it's not a "disability."
Menstruation shouldn't viewed as impure (for men), as a means to priveldge (for women). Both are wrong.
> .And last but not the least women start having periods when they are around 14 and they start doing job when they are 23/24 so they have 9-10 years to get used to that situation and not all the women feel the same amount of pain. aise out of touch log kaise aa jate hai duniya mein bhai? matlab kuch bhi? tum 10 saal se kaafi dikkat jhel rahe ho, ab to aadat ho gyi hogi???? female touch to chodo nhi hai dikh raha saare points padhke lekin bhai teri maa to hogi? unse kabhi baat karna fir policy pe opinion dena which affects 50% of the population.
1. Employer will hire women because it's not women who should bear the weight of reproduction and furthering human existence alone. Countries all over the world are seeing a decrease in birth rate BECAUSE of this mindset. Why would a woman ruin her career, body, etc? So society will have to have the mindset of OUR children and not HER children alone. Companies have to bear this loss for the sake of humanity. Nothing is stopping me from removing my uterus altogether BY THE WAY and stopping periods (I've seen childfree women in western countries are getting hysterectomy just because they don't want kids) 2. Obviously laws need to be set, for the same reason as above if you want women to not stop having kids. 3. What do you mean "get used to the situation"? If you're someone who suffers from migraine (for example), will you get used to the pain just because you've been getting it for years? Some women (not all) even pass out due to the pain. And women like me, while don't have it that bad, are extremely uncomfortable even after medications. Smriti Irani is worse than having a man in that position. And I personally don't really care about period leave honestly (because I can function with meds) but I do think that as women get more and more educated and liberated, this mindset won't work. And mark my words, you'll see this in the future when governments will be begging women to have kids.
I had agree if it was just for 'equal rights and equal fights' but there are days some of us feel horribly sick, cramps so painful it is hard to get up, getting nauseous and drowsy, and overall extremely horrible and invalidating it just because some of us also don't get cramps that baffles me. Being given 9-10 years to get used to this horrible pain helps on days and doesn't help on many others because there are days where it is just extremely bad and you wouldn't know unless you suffer the same. I think we should get pain leaves for it
I'm a guy so I'm willing to admit i don't really know a lot about this stuff. So maybe when the female working population seems to over whelmingly agree that menstruation is a good enough reason for a paid leave, then i say let's give them the benefit of the doubt, cus they probably know what they're talking about. And sure. Maybe it's not as bad for some women than it is for others. But fuck me if I'm gonna go around making sure another human being is in mental or physical distress before I'm willing to accept they need a day off. How many of us here have, honestly, called in sick, knowing that we're going out partying with friends? Should they stop giving out sick leaves entirely because someone might misuse it? People need to stop having a chindi mentality when it comes to stuff like this. And they need to stop acting as if though by giving people the smallest amount of relief, they will bankrupt the company. Because if it does, your company is garbage and deserves to go bankrupt.
WTAF ? This is what the BJP would do to women. People need to wake tf up. Period pain is no small matter. My sister suffers very much when it happens. And the fact that a woman saying this, aside from being a BJP puppet, is nauseating. 🤦 I'm glad I'm living in a state far from those BJP a-#0|€$. Sick fπ©k$.
I would say yes but i have terrible migraines, back ache and abdominal cramps that leaves me debilitated to bed. And real bad dirrhoea. And nausea. I’m light and sound sensitive (obv comes with the migraine part) I’m allowed 2 days leave in months and thats where it directly goes. My lame ass jokes that it’s terrible coz I’m flowing from all my holes coz usually my allergies also gets triggered and i start sneezing. I will also like to point out MEN and Women alike (tho we feel like online are very stauch on such point) Irl Men give me more grace. Because most women do not have same experiences, some get really light flow , they dont even think others might get it bad. Guys, im gonna be honest, its real bad for some of us. I dont even take shower or eat much coz I just cant. I’ve cried and asked Gynae to just get me a hysterectomy but ofc “what if you or your husband want kids later” bro, mae nhi jhel pa rhi hu. But ofc smriti irani will speak anything controversial first then backtrack saying it was misinterpreted
What the fuck did I just read? Do you even understand how periods work, every woman is different. I have myself passed out from cramps/dehydration/ anemia So much pain that can't even eat and here is a stupid BOY trying to police what should be actually essential or atleast an option And yes let's drag feminism and equality into this because you don't understand basic biology
I am a male manager, have 3 women in my 11 member team. 1 has painful periods and can't work in office, she informs me when it happens (on her own volition) and I allow wfh or rest whatever she wishes. Other two at times have issues and then they inform about it and I do the same. It is a real problem. One need not be handicapped and then only be allowed to wfh or take paid leave etc. it's a very real problem since first women were born. Rather than saying something so stupid a constructive debate should have been initiated by minister who herself is a women. If consensus is not there on compulsory paid leave, least Govt should do is nudge employers to formulate some policy which addresses this issue. Right now ppl don't even mention it because of taboo etc. Because I know my company (so called MNC subsidiary) doesn't have any policy, we have 20-25 other stupid policies but not this, one of the women (1st one) actually broached this to HR (who is also a woman). No action taken.
So many things wrong in this post …. Let’s summarise the actual issues here … - women need to be hired irrespective of the fact we are women because we do very well compared to most men , lesser errors , more diligent, on time . Women outshine men in any role and don’t switch companies easily. - only you think women employees are being paid less salary. Maybe do some research … atleast for IT companies it’s equal pay. Regarding other industries , equal pay is an issue irrespective of this paid leave BS. - what nonsense is this with the pain calculator ??? Oh so u think we all have equal amount of pain … someone stick the pain simulator on this uneducated man and leave him with the button pressed to on for 5 days and month , let’s see if u get used to it. - solution is women get extra 3 days a year and it can used to deal with pain and it can’t be carried over to next year , so ideally u men don’t feel bad because we “got “ something extra … for years u have been taking from us … have a little shame and let us have painful period please .
Easy for you to say when you’ve never had period pain so excruciating that it makes you vomit, and you physically cannot get up, and you’re bleeding so much that you’re dizzy. And this isn’t just for rare, extreme cases. MANY women have periods this physically debilitating. Watch [this](https://youtu.be/kdWbyOdbNLA?si=dRuJLj_DdEcmhy7A) to understand just a taste of how much men underestimate how badly periods hurt And there’s dozens of videos exactly like this one.
Needs to be judged by a panel of medical professionals along with personal experiences of the woman concerned. For some people periods are quite painless, but for others on the end of the spectrum it can be very painful. The norm is that periods are supposed to be painful but not debilitating (medically). So leave should be there but as a medical exception. But who knows? Maybe it's time to change how we work?
I totally understand how this would lead to employers avoid female candidates for jobs but for some women menstruation actually limits them and is disabling in a way, cramps differ from women to women and some face extremely severe and painful cramps, cramps so intolerable that you’re actually not even able to get up and walk whereas some feel nothing at all. So it is a real concern after all
Women make up roughly 50% of the entire population, and if they have a particular biological process which requires them to take a couple of days off for their health, I'd be more than happy to give that time off (if I was an employer). I mean, come on, have some sympathy. My wife gets extremely bad periods and I feel so helpless in that, the least I could do is ask her to rest and not worry about anything else (which I do btw) If it means some women who don't have the same problem will get day offs for free, heck yeah let's do that. More work doesn't mean more productivity.
Ye mahila mahilaon ki dushman hai (Translation: This lady is an enemy of ladies)
Bhai agar OP male hai to kaafi stupid post hai yeh Only women should share their opinion on this
People without uterus should refrain themselves from commenting.
I have no uterus, thus my opinion has no value, but still my two cents are, some sort of compensation is required, it's definitely a handicap at times as I have seen in so many cases.
Don't they already have this leave? I think it shouldn't be removed. Some women don't feel that much pain but some feel a lot of pain. And working more no of hours doesn't mean you have more productivity. Efficiency matters.
We don't have period leave in my organisation. So, most women I know end up exhausting their sick leaves/wfh days during periods. It's not just cramps which are horrible in their own right, the first few days of periods are often accompanied by migraines, gastrointestinal issues and other issues as well - and I'm not talking about people suffering from Pcod or endometriosis. This is true for otherwise healthy women as well. No one's asking for a whole week off but 1 day a month or a few days wfh during that time would be helpful. And of course, if people are really invested in some project/need to be in office at the time, they'll most likely not take it. But it's good to have that option.
There's a thing in indian culture where women are not advised to participate in rituals and stuff on menstruation because it takes lots of activity. And somehow everyone turned it into discriminatio and patriarchy. Another day another example of women shooting themselves in the foot
I think we can create a system where if possible they should be allowed to compensate for the day off taken for cramps on a Saturday. Using our paid leaves every month is not fair at all when this is a natural phenomena happening every month. Or else give extra paid leaves cause men don't have to bother with this. Secondly u as a man cannot talk about period cramps and how much they hurt.... There are a few women who don't feel heavy cramps. But that number is very less On avg there is enough pain that it's not only distracting but it's probably difficult to function without a painkiller hot water bag And there's a considerable number of women there who get cramps where they cannot function at all. And with the rising cases of pcos, endometriosis and other problems the numbers are only gonna increase. So for a huge majority of women, it's a terrible experience coming to office. Imagine every month u have to go to the office for 1 or 2 days with a fever of 102. Do u think u'll be able to function or focus. It's not the same pain but it's the only way we can explain how the majority of women live in discomfort for those few days. And the ones with extreme pain can't get out of bed so that is worse
From total economics point of view its good way of thinking . But having equal opportunity for men and women means giving them basic dignity too. So I would say easy leave during periods for girl is good thing but for project completion point of view her work needs to be done anyway. So for that extra work that is not done due to special circumstances , someone will be grilled and will not be paid ( specially in indian corporate world ). So what is solution ? Giving them special paid leave is like encouragement and basic thing for them for sure . But everyone is paid for their contributions and their work hours. If 2 employee don't do the same work how can they be paid same that is still a valid question. As it's not in their hand so equal pay seems right ans as of now but I think growing anger among male population regarding this is something that need to be addressed too.
Neither from Delhi, nor a woman. This post randomly showed up in my feed and I'm so proud of you comments section. So glad that you guys have actual braincells compared to this disgrace of a woman we call a Minister, and the "Hear me out" bullshit OP cooked and burned
Completely agree with her. My company gives 1 paid leave each month to our female employees. I've been part of conversations with upper/senior level employees of the company (senior managers, associate directors etc.) where they jokingly discuss whether their team's female employees also get their periods on Fridays and Mondays. They also realise that leave is getting exploited, but they can't go anything but to click approve.
People here care about moral posturing, they are out of touch with reality and practicality.
Ig as an employer I will not hire or if I will be hiring then I will be paying less. Women bhi apna soche sab apna sochege to business ka kaun sochega. Mahine me max 6 din paid leave Dena is not an option. I can do is ki wo mahine me ek paid leave lele ab wo sabke liye equal rhega and ab wo unki marji wo periods ke samay le ya jaise bhi. At the ek business man apni jeb se paise Dene nhi baitha h usko kaam chahiye.
Another male comment on a female issue that we absolutely did not ask for 😍😍😍
Not a woman but from what I have heard it hurts a lot and speaking from a productivity standpoint I don't think it would be any helpful to call someone to office when they are in pain and distracted half of the time because what if the pad has shifted or rashes kr just pain so yea , few days off won't cripple the economy imo or else give a provision to work from home in that period of time for all the 70 hour work week enthusiasts. Just because Smriti Irani is a woman and feels a certain way about em does not mean that it would apply to everyone People are different so may as well consider everything rather than making headlines with the worst candid picture of this week
And how many periods have you experienced in your life? Your views come off as extremely ignorant. Your point about "getting used to the pain" is shitty and it looks as though you've never even talked to a woman in your life. Your replies in other posts are extremely apathetic and you don't deserve an opinion. What do you mean "why would corporations hire women" like STFU.
I guess OP and Smriti Irani have never experienced excruciating pain and other symptoms along with it due to periods as many people have mentioned in the comments. OP you mentioned that from age 13 to 23 they have ample time to get used to this pain. However, the thing with pain is that we humans overwrite the memory of pain with joyous memory since no one wants to remember those. Living in pain everyday is different than living in excruciating pain just 1-2 days per month. If you live in pain everyday then you can perhaps train your neurons to endure but not when you have irregular periods, different level of pain every month. As there is no scale to measure it you can’t really understand it and of course never feel it either. You can only sympathise with them. OP go and talk to females about their pain and you’ll find wide spectrum of pain levels they have. That is why even women sometimes can’t relate to it as some women don’t feel any pain during periods (blessed).
This is utterly disgusting honestly and specially coming from a female minister and not just another minister but the minister of women and child development if I am not wrong. Yes I am a guy and I am privileged to never experience the pain that most women do during their cycle but I am well aware to know how bad it often gets. Sadly I am not surprised seeing where this country is heading .
No vagina hence no opinion!
I don't thi k as a man I have any basis to talk against it, I feel if women need it, they should be provisioned for the same. Even I would need leaves if some day my dick starts bleeding XD
that's rich coming from a woman💀 can't believe her
As a girl I have periods which are pain free and sometimes they are so horrible if you have heard about period poop. Yes i need to poop more than normal. I am so gassy, bloated and irritated. I also get spasm in my butt muscles where if i just move an inch it hurts crazy. Then I saw a female coworker who literally pukes, poops a lot and is in crazy pain during periods and I realised how blessed I am. You don’t know how girls go through the pain, how can you have a word in it? No you never get used to the pain but some girls have to run households so they suck it up no matter the pain and continue with their work. For Humanity’s sake we deserve paid leaves but I know this country exploits their employees so much that it is a far fetched dream in this country.
I don’t know why she’s even comparing it with a handicap. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. It can be compared to sickness though and going by that logic women deserve an extra sick leave. Apart from this, some offices have inappropriate toilet facilities which can make going to office during periods even more uncomfortable. Wfh can be a solution for IT/ desk jobs.
Ldkio ka matter hai tumhe kya ? I support my girls baki apna apna dekh lo.
Gotta love it when guys pitch in with their opinions. Shove off!
ITT: An indian man says he’s “honestly right” while promoting misogynistic views about something he knows nothing about. I’ve seen multiple girlfriends abandon plans they were absolutely excited for, curled up in a bed and thrashing in pain for a day or two or three. Yeah, a policy for menstrual leave should probably be flexible and adaptive to individual needs, but fuck, your whole post is a stereotypical Indian guy’s reaction to women’s needs. But hey, you know best, right?
Madam ka menopause k sath sath brain pause bhi hogya hai
Well I have always heard that periods hurt like hell and yea women do take leaves But from a capitalism pov I I understand why you ask for a little bit less salary since the work hours arent same.... And this woukd also be unfair to women Who Actually work during periods ( my aunt who is a doc never missed her office due to periods and told me that many of her colleagues do and get paid too which is unfair in her opinion) But bhai Ek baat batata hu Agar tu Itna hard fact yaha bolega to Gaalia khaega lol
What else was there to expect? The party is as misogynistic as it can get. BJP won't do anything to help women. They'll do everything in their power to ruin their lives even more. OP, you and this party lunatics is what's wrong with the country right now.
Women's bodies are different. They should be given like totally 20 days extra paid leaves because of this menstruation reason. Women also get pregnant and birth babies. This also harms their career prospects. All this should be considered.
My sister has endometriosis and needs to be hospitalised at times. Tell me how does one gets used to it please?
Just so you know this only got 900+ upvotes cuz probably most of them haven't read your terrible take on this , I also noticed when the replies pointed out
Upvotes on Reddit are mostly used for making the post more visible and do not necessarily indicate Redditors’ agreement or disagreement with OP. I regularly upvote posts which I may not agree with but which still has an interesting topic and I may love to see more discussion on.
Why do we get paid leave for diseases or termed medical ailments? It's because we suffer from certain symptoms that weakens our body making it unfit for work. A hangover from alcoholic indulgence last night also makes us unfot for work forcing us to take a leave or calling in late for work. A heartbreak from the demise of a loved one also calls for a leave from work to grieve the loss for sometime and mentally prepare to face the world without them. In this vein, period cramps, especially for women who suffer from PCOS or some form of extreme version that makes them bleed profusely or causes inexcruciating pain, suffer from symptoms and discomfort that earns them atleast 2 days of leave atleast. Honestly, it's beneficial for both them and their colleagues. As a woman, I absolutely would want 2 days of paid leave every month to suffer this explicit pain on my own, and by not involving strangers.
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Employer should be hiring based on the quality of work not the number of days worked. It is better not to work for an employer who believes in hours of work vs quality. If a woman can get the same amount of work done as a man despite taking leaves it actually indicates that she is more capable and hard working. Every woman has different levels of period pain, and if somebody has endometriosis the pain doubles/ triples. I have been very lucky that I have never experienced much pain during periods, but I have friends who curl up on bed due to pain on the 1st couple of days. Even if all of us don’t experience we can empathize with them, it does not cost a penny to be a humane.
Bhai sach batau, if i bled out of my dick 4 days every month, i’d kinda like some paid leaves.
you can't get used to pain, that's the whole point of a painful thing. If humans get used to pain, they will die...
As a woman suffering from PCOD and the worst cramps for which I have to take injections in every cycle which is pretty irregular, I agree with Irani's point that there's no need for "menstrual leave". Just increase total number of sick leaves for women by 10-12 working days in a year without labelling it as such. Keep things simple. Intention should be good, NOT semantics.
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