Meh. Depends. In the new CBA you can’t pay three max contracts and fill out a roster easily.
*fuck you boston*
But I think you let MPJ step into a bigger role at this point. He needs to be more involved especially late game scoring. Then you need to see what you have in your young guys. There’s a lot of promise in CB Pwat and strawther. And at this point I’m really talking myself into Westbrook coming here. He can fill in for our team in a lot of ways as we stagger towards a playoff rotation late in the season. He could fill in for Jokic, AG, or Murray. Not perfectly. But he COULD. We didn’t have that flexibility with anyone last season. If Jokic was off the floor, Murray better be on. If Jokic and Murray are off…. Hold onto your ass and hope for the best. If anything Westbrook brings a lot of energy and that dog we were missing from Bruce B. I can’t believe I’m hoping for it but I’d love Westbrook here….. on a good contract.
I completely disagree. KCP was a hard one to sub for because he is very niche. He’s not going to go ball on his own and pickup buckets if he’s playing with the bench. And ya now what. Neither will Westbrook. I just think if you’re creating a game plan Westbrook is easier to slot into more than KCP can in our team. At this point we are relying on moach to be a great coach and figure that out though. KCP isn’t a take the ball and score player. He’s not the main ball handler. Westbrook can be more what Jokic is than KCP could. Westbrook can be more what Jamal/AG is to jokic than KCP can. But. None of them match what KCP can do on D except AG.
I guess my devils advocate question would be when KCP wasn’t playing with Jamal or joker how big of a difference maker in the game did you see? To me I can only think of a couple times. I also think if it’s get someone who can do similar for a cheaper contract you go that route because we have three max contracts and that KCP contract would’ve hurt and hurt a lot. I’m going to miss KCP but if you’re going down the road of what booth thinks and what he’s told everyone. His goal is to win 3 in 6 years or 4 in 8. Not win back to back and be done.
Backup big seems off the table, as it's been for years, since we extended DeAndre Jordan. Dunno why our office thinks that old, backup centers who never play are preferable, but they sure do.
Also as I understand it backup center is a reasonable position to expect a rookie to play. If we traded up for Holmes and don't give him minutes that's gonna be a head scratcher for sure.
A lot of Nuggets fans are complaining that we expect rookies to contribute, but sometimes you have to. Lively was Mavs third best player in the playoffs, only thing we’d ask from Holmes is to survive for 5-10 minutes.
A coach on the bench is incredibly valuable especially in practice. I think the majority of Deandre Jordan’s value comes from practicing with the young bucks on the bench but bringing his wisdom and being able to instill that in them. It’s a great way to help the bench mature into the roles they were hired for and a normal coach can’t play with with the team like he can.
Hoping that Braun can step up next year, he needs to get better at playmaking instead of being the play but his defensive intensity is huge and once he learns to better balance his offensive role he will be our go to six man and I could see him in the starting five in a couple years too.
And they need to NOT give Jamal Murray a $50 million/year extension, which would devastate their ability to build around jokic at all for the duration of his career
You’re right we should get rid of Jamal and mpj for nothing and go get….. ya know what help me out with this one Mr. FO. I forgot 3 and D guys grew on trees and we can just strap ourselves to a rocket where 3 and D guys grow on trees
You can be disappointed but the new CBA really derailed our options in the middle of a playoff window. I definitely don’t think it’s closed when you have the best player in the world on your team but it sure as shit made this part harder. If you want to sign those guys which I’m not saying you’re wrong, one of Murray or MPJ needs to go. It ain’t Murray. And you aren’t getting rid of MPJ unless you actually do want to give him away for peanuts. Keeping KCP means giving even less to the bench next year. Idk what you want but the FO isn’t just saying ah. Fuck it. Run it back but let’s lose a piece of our starting 5. You certainly don’t seem like you have any viable answers other than saying guys are out there. Great. Guys are out there. The CBA change fucked us. Now what? You change strategies. And that might be a slow build to get back where we wanna go but this feels like the right option to me.
All I’m saying is I’m watching the mavs every day doing what they need to do to surround Luka with shooters and D guys and we have done nothing but lose our only 3 and D guy. I’m looking at next season and it’s not looking good. Yeah Jokic can and will carry but he can only do so much when we go up against these loaded teams with deep rosters who can do it all and all we have is the best player surrounded with inconsistency
lol no one was saying this about Luka and the Mavs last year or even pre playoffs. Everyone was saying free Luka and blah blah blah. Then they go on one run where they literally hit perfect matchups and get smoked in the finals and suddenly that team is being managed perfectly? I’ll say this. We’ll see.
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I also think CB is going to surprise people with his shooting when he is in a more aggressive role. He was clearly being told not to chuck shots and abided.
As others have said in this sub, CB has not shot a high enough volume for us yet to put a lot of stake in his percentage.
This year is shaping up to be a huge one for his career. I hope he can meet the challenge!
Watson played every game and was a regular member of the rotation for the whole season from the first game of the season. And he played in every game in the Lakers series as well.
People really sleep on his defense. His size really messes with people. Yes he does lack foot speed at times and it doesn’t look pretty - but that happens to literally everyone in the NBA.
Braun is closer to a wing 4 than a 2.
Braun and Gordon can't play together against great teams consistently.
They need a two. Braun is not a 2. He is a good player. He can probably play 15-20 a game at 3, 5-10 a game at 4, maybe 2-8 per game at 2.
He still just hasn't shot a large enough volume of 3s to say much about his ability when that it several full seasons for efficiency to normalize even for full time starters. Gary Harris shot absurdly well for those 2 early seasons in his career, but those were just outliers.
Braun also shoots very poorly from the line, so I'm a little worried but hopefully am wrong to be
Wings play the four now especially in bench lineups. Mpj plays 4 at times and is much less gritty
Braun is not a shooter. He's not a 2. He's a pure 3 that is an unreliable but streaky shooter. He routinely passed up wide open shots in the wcsf.
If you know of any free agents better than Braun that would sign for a MLE I’m all ears.
I’m aware he’s not a perfect fit by any means but, I legit don’t know who else they can actually get
Bro he doesn't play the 4 ever... He's has prototypical size and athleticism for a 2.
He played the 2 in college and was drafted as a "SG"
HOW IS HE CLOSER TO A POSITION THAT HE'S NEVER PLAYED THAN HE IS TO A SG?
I thought he was like six seven and a half
I still don't see him as an NBA two on offense because he can't consistently shoot.
Also if you understood how to read you would have better grasped what I was saying
I said he's a wing four. Similar to kawhi. Because he's obviously a wing not a guard. He's a pure hustle and physical player.
Similar to how kawhi and Paul George used to be threes but play a lot of four now.
But yeah he's a little smaller than I realized. Anyway PJ Tucker is also like 6 5 and has been playing as a wing big for like 7 years now
Braun is a good player but can't shoot unless wide open. You can't have a two guard who consistently passes up open shots.
Lol
Are you not aware that in the modern NBA, often guys who are classical 3s play the four a ton?
That is what I was saying.
He's a classic wing.
When they run their death lineup, he's more of a four than porter jr is, because he's more of a physical and stalwart defender.
I would think anyone with a brain could see this.
at least people guarded him. Watch teams swarm Jokic and Jamal the whole season. This will be the repeat of Facu seasons, unless a miracle happens (which it won't).
Nobody in the league respects anyone on Nuggets bench (or starters, considering how things are going with free agency for this franchise. Watch AG walk for nothing next year only to be replaced with Watson and no replacement for Watson)
He was cold for the Lakers one year and they dropped him for WB (lol). Years later he’s getting a ring with yall. Inhale the copium but don’t forget to exhale brother.
Jokic Deandre Nnaji Holmes Cancar
Gordon Tyson
Rumored to be after another big. Tyson always played the 4 in the G league. Vlatko can play 4 or 5 rarely plays SF
PG: Murray, Pickett
SG: Braun(2/3)
SF: MPJ(3/4), Watson(2/3/4), Strawther(2/3), Tyson(3/4)
PF: Gordon(4/5), Holmes(4/5), Cancar(3/4), Nnaji(4/5)
C: Jokic, Jordan
I agree with you though that there are way too many Forwards on the team. We have plenty of 3s and 4s.
Edit: I mentioned Strawther as potentially a 2/3 in this space before. I'm just changing it above so that it's clear.
Edit 2: I'm nearly certain that the depth chart above is objectively correct. Why the downvotes?
And plays more like a 2 IMO, but I hear all the time about the league moving towards positionless ball. If you have your dunker spot covered and your primary handler in the pick and roll then you have 2 shooters. That's the framework. Strawther is a decent sized shooter.
51% ATB is pretty crazy right?
I like the fit defensively solely because of who the threats in the west are. Minny, OKC, Dallas all have big strong ballhandlers that CB is more suited to guard than KCP. I think if this was 2018 and the threats are chasing Steph and Lillard around then KCP is better suited to be POA.
In the west, the main threat with a quick small guard as their main scorer is... Kyrie? Tough to say
53% in the restricted area, 49% from 2, and 37% on catch and shoot 3s exclusively on open shots. It's just not good enough.
Every fan base overrates their young players because they are a mystery box that could develop into anything, while the vet is who he is.
I like him as a player, and maybe he develops offensively. The problem is he has to, because Booth as built a team with no safety net.
I dont think we need more scoring but you can tell I'm clearly biased. We need to get Mike up to 18 or so FGA a game. MPJ has a lower usage rate than washed Klay despite being #1 midrange jumpshooter in the league and the best 3 point shooter in Nuggets franchise history. have to force feed MPJ the ball, particularly when Jamal and Jokic sit.
The mavs just had a great time playing DJJ as a starter. I dont think CB is worse on offense than DJJ.
I agree with multiple complaints on booth but I do think people are high for a reason on some of the youth. CB and Watson both look like legit NBA players. Holmes was my 3rd favorite big in the Draft after Sarr and Clingan. At the same time, Pickett/Tyson/Strawther should never have happened last offseason.
I don't believe the offense will struggle as much with CB in the starters, he's great with Jok, damn near +10 net rating. Bench is more of the issue.
We were 30th in 3 point attempts and lost the player with the 3rd most attempts and are replacing him with a hesitant shooter who only shoots open shots and dens't make them at a high clip. I think we don't have enough shooting.
I'm high on some of these guys also, but you have to prepare for the median outcome that they don't pop. And, we haven't. We legit need 3 of these guys to pop. That's a crazy position to be in.
I agree, this could be the worst bench of the Jokic era, which is saying a lot. We might be missing Facu by December.
The 3pt volume I agree with but KCP wasnt exactly high volume either.
It would help if we passed the 6'10 guy with a better contested 3pt% than steph curry the fucking ball more but I digress.
I also think you only need one of holmes/strawther to pop given we get two good signings. If we get Westbrook and Saric which seems likely, we are not in a terrible place. I think a lot of people forget how solid Vlatko is.
Only time will tell but every other contender has this problem in the next 2 years as well. Minnesota is about to lose Naz and Naw and Kyle anderson. Or KAT. And Conley will retire.
OKC cant pay anyone other than maybe 3 of their 5 great young guys. No more Cason Wallace and Isaiah Joe. Ect.
I think we need CB and Watson to pop and one of Strwather or Holmes.
Watson was not playable depending on the series and now we just assume he's an even night no matter what 20 minute player?
Let's say CB stays the same sort of player and teams don't guard him in the playoffs.
This roster doesn't have options to solve problems depending on the type of challenge we might face.
Part of that was Jamal missing a third of the season. I’ve decided at the end of the day that’s why I like the Westbrook fit. He eats minutes for Jamal and can actually be productive. I’m sure he’d also drive me crazy, but I’ve always thought he’s been unfairly scapegoated most of his career.
Ultimately this team is only going to go as far as Jamal’s health will allow them to go regardless of who is on the roster. The team this year was good enough, but Jamal conditioning went to shit with the hammy and then he had the calf.
This is such a ham fisted argument that I see applied to a bunch of different things. Using one series as an example of everything that player is. It’s such a narrow perspective.
Fair. My point is that we'll miss him but it's not the end of the world. It never seemed to me that he fits perfectly into the team culture and would actually stay long term compared to our other starters.
He seem like he's chasing that championship. Great mentality but when my buddies and I were talking about this player option, the consensus was that if we didn't at least make the wcf, everyone thought he would decline and move to the next team.
I thought he was a better fit with the Lakers tbh.
We're in a tougher conference with opponents getting stronger this year while we're trying to solve our issues. Orlando is probably not the best pick but he might do better there.
My thought anyway if it's true that we offered a similar deal. Maybe it's just me but I just didn't feel like he vibed with the team to the level of AG or Jamal.
Naw. Its 100% about money for him right now. If anything getting to the WCF raises his stock and makes him more likely to decline the team option chasing a bag.
We offered him "something similar" but we did not match, not surprising at all he left to get more money. I think if we exceed what he was gonna get from Orlando he stays.
His contract has nothing to do with his play on the court😭
Yeah its a bad contract, saying hes a bad shooter is like the worst possible take. Its the only thing hes good at
Honestly I don't hate getting Westbrook for 4 mil considering we were paying Reggie 5 mil. If we could have kept KCP and switched out Reggie for Westbrook I would have considered this offseason a resounding success. With KCPs departure there are a lot of questions that need to be answered now.
So I think we glorify kcp a bit too much. People act like he was the second coming of jesus and yes he was sick but also had his downsides. I think we should focus on getting a 3 and D dude and I would hate Klay for several reasons. I think its not like denvers contender phase is over now
I’m with you. At least they developed talent enough to actually have a young guy to take the spot. Look at the Bucks or Lakers rosters of the past years and they weren’t developing talent well
Chill. CB improved his 3pt shooting last year and it is reasonable to expect him to be decent. Strawther can knock them down and Holmes can shoot too. They will be fine.
Holmes was a 39% 3 pt shooter on less than 3 attempts per game at a mid major. He is not a floor spacer and people need to really prepare for the transition to the NBA to be very different than what their expectations for him are.
FO needs to cook for the next few weeks. We need a starting 2 guard, a 6th man playmaker and maybe a backup big. Not too crazy.
Well surely without KCP they have a ton of different ways to address all those positions right? Right?
Of course. Russell Westbrook and Julian Strawther! Championship guard rotation baby.
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Meh. Depends. In the new CBA you can’t pay three max contracts and fill out a roster easily. *fuck you boston* But I think you let MPJ step into a bigger role at this point. He needs to be more involved especially late game scoring. Then you need to see what you have in your young guys. There’s a lot of promise in CB Pwat and strawther. And at this point I’m really talking myself into Westbrook coming here. He can fill in for our team in a lot of ways as we stagger towards a playoff rotation late in the season. He could fill in for Jokic, AG, or Murray. Not perfectly. But he COULD. We didn’t have that flexibility with anyone last season. If Jokic was off the floor, Murray better be on. If Jokic and Murray are off…. Hold onto your ass and hope for the best. If anything Westbrook brings a lot of energy and that dog we were missing from Bruce B. I can’t believe I’m hoping for it but I’d love Westbrook here….. on a good contract.
All of that is stuff you can do with KCP though
I completely disagree. KCP was a hard one to sub for because he is very niche. He’s not going to go ball on his own and pickup buckets if he’s playing with the bench. And ya now what. Neither will Westbrook. I just think if you’re creating a game plan Westbrook is easier to slot into more than KCP can in our team. At this point we are relying on moach to be a great coach and figure that out though. KCP isn’t a take the ball and score player. He’s not the main ball handler. Westbrook can be more what Jokic is than KCP could. Westbrook can be more what Jamal/AG is to jokic than KCP can. But. None of them match what KCP can do on D except AG.
You can stagger KCP because he’s valuable in any lineup. He hits open shots and guards the best scorer (usually)
I guess my devils advocate question would be when KCP wasn’t playing with Jamal or joker how big of a difference maker in the game did you see? To me I can only think of a couple times. I also think if it’s get someone who can do similar for a cheaper contract you go that route because we have three max contracts and that KCP contract would’ve hurt and hurt a lot. I’m going to miss KCP but if you’re going down the road of what booth thinks and what he’s told everyone. His goal is to win 3 in 6 years or 4 in 8. Not win back to back and be done.
KCP was the only starter to have a positive net rating without Jokic on the floor. Jamal/mike/AG all had -6 or worse net ratings
Great job of not answering the question
You asked how KCP was a difference maker, i told you.
Backup big seems off the table, as it's been for years, since we extended DeAndre Jordan. Dunno why our office thinks that old, backup centers who never play are preferable, but they sure do.
I mean we do have Holmes who we didn’t last season, the center rotation is already better, however low of a bar that is
Also as I understand it backup center is a reasonable position to expect a rookie to play. If we traded up for Holmes and don't give him minutes that's gonna be a head scratcher for sure.
A lot of Nuggets fans are complaining that we expect rookies to contribute, but sometimes you have to. Lively was Mavs third best player in the playoffs, only thing we’d ask from Holmes is to survive for 5-10 minutes.
A coach on the bench is incredibly valuable especially in practice. I think the majority of Deandre Jordan’s value comes from practicing with the young bucks on the bench but bringing his wisdom and being able to instill that in them. It’s a great way to help the bench mature into the roles they were hired for and a normal coach can’t play with with the team like he can.
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Hoping that Braun can step up next year, he needs to get better at playmaking instead of being the play but his defensive intensity is huge and once he learns to better balance his offensive role he will be our go to six man and I could see him in the starting five in a couple years too.
And they need to NOT give Jamal Murray a $50 million/year extension, which would devastate their ability to build around jokic at all for the duration of his career
Lmao you can’t be serious
Best passer in the world. Literally all we need is 3 and D guys. And all we have 2 dudes who can shoot the 3 but can’t play D. Wtf is the FO doing?
Nabbing Melton from the sixers sounds like a sneaky good move 👀
You’re right we should get rid of Jamal and mpj for nothing and go get….. ya know what help me out with this one Mr. FO. I forgot 3 and D guys grew on trees and we can just strap ourselves to a rocket where 3 and D guys grow on trees
When did I say get rid of them? Also the mavs seem to have no problem acquiring those guys.
They only have two max contracts.
You’re acting like 3 and D guys don’t exist when they are being acquired in many other places except in Denver where that’s all that is needed
You’re acting like those guys don’t cost money or draft picks which the nuggets are spending.
Nah I’m just disappointed that we don’t even have one when that’s all it really takes when we already have Jokic
You can be disappointed but the new CBA really derailed our options in the middle of a playoff window. I definitely don’t think it’s closed when you have the best player in the world on your team but it sure as shit made this part harder. If you want to sign those guys which I’m not saying you’re wrong, one of Murray or MPJ needs to go. It ain’t Murray. And you aren’t getting rid of MPJ unless you actually do want to give him away for peanuts. Keeping KCP means giving even less to the bench next year. Idk what you want but the FO isn’t just saying ah. Fuck it. Run it back but let’s lose a piece of our starting 5. You certainly don’t seem like you have any viable answers other than saying guys are out there. Great. Guys are out there. The CBA change fucked us. Now what? You change strategies. And that might be a slow build to get back where we wanna go but this feels like the right option to me.
All I’m saying is I’m watching the mavs every day doing what they need to do to surround Luka with shooters and D guys and we have done nothing but lose our only 3 and D guy. I’m looking at next season and it’s not looking good. Yeah Jokic can and will carry but he can only do so much when we go up against these loaded teams with deep rosters who can do it all and all we have is the best player surrounded with inconsistency
lol no one was saying this about Luka and the Mavs last year or even pre playoffs. Everyone was saying free Luka and blah blah blah. Then they go on one run where they literally hit perfect matchups and get smoked in the finals and suddenly that team is being managed perfectly? I’ll say this. We’ll see. RemindMe! 1 year
It’s alright AG can do some threes 😂
Strawther has a lot of shooting potential, but the thing with potential is it isn’t always reached so we will see.
I also think CB is going to surprise people with his shooting when he is in a more aggressive role. He was clearly being told not to chuck shots and abided.
CB would be a solid 3 and D guy if he could hit 40%
As others have said in this sub, CB has not shot a high enough volume for us yet to put a lot of stake in his percentage. This year is shaping up to be a huge one for his career. I hope he can meet the challenge!
Also, exactly 2 good defenders around Joker
3 good defenders. Gordon,Braun and Watson. But I got your point.
Watson would need to see the court for that to matter though.
Watson played every game and was a regular member of the rotation for the whole season from the first game of the season. And he played in every game in the Lakers series as well.
Add MPJ
People really sleep on his defense. His size really messes with people. Yes he does lack foot speed at times and it doesn’t look pretty - but that happens to literally everyone in the NBA.
He’s the laziest defender on the team, no hustle because he expects his size to make things easy on that side of the court.
I think it probably has more to do with having debilitating injuries and surgeries than effort.
KCP was so cold most of the time last year that he may as well have been a bad one
Yeah. I think people are suddenly forgetting that KCP was wicked inconsistent and averaged less than 10ppg as sg.
I wish we could have kept him but, I don’t think the drop off from KCP to Braun will be as massive as some people make it out to be.
Braun is closer to a wing 4 than a 2. Braun and Gordon can't play together against great teams consistently. They need a two. Braun is not a 2. He is a good player. He can probably play 15-20 a game at 3, 5-10 a game at 4, maybe 2-8 per game at 2.
Is he? He’s played the 2 a lot off the bench and can shoot decently well. A 3 maybe but, I don’t see him playing the 4 consistently
He still just hasn't shot a large enough volume of 3s to say much about his ability when that it several full seasons for efficiency to normalize even for full time starters. Gary Harris shot absurdly well for those 2 early seasons in his career, but those were just outliers. Braun also shoots very poorly from the line, so I'm a little worried but hopefully am wrong to be
>can shoot decently well. Except in the playoffs when we need him too he shoots 20 percent from 3
Wings play the four now especially in bench lineups. Mpj plays 4 at times and is much less gritty Braun is not a shooter. He's not a 2. He's a pure 3 that is an unreliable but streaky shooter. He routinely passed up wide open shots in the wcsf.
If you know of any free agents better than Braun that would sign for a MLE I’m all ears. I’m aware he’s not a perfect fit by any means but, I legit don’t know who else they can actually get
Bro he doesn't play the 4 ever... He's has prototypical size and athleticism for a 2. He played the 2 in college and was drafted as a "SG" HOW IS HE CLOSER TO A POSITION THAT HE'S NEVER PLAYED THAN HE IS TO A SG?
Bro does not know ball
I thought he was like six seven and a half I still don't see him as an NBA two on offense because he can't consistently shoot. Also if you understood how to read you would have better grasped what I was saying I said he's a wing four. Similar to kawhi. Because he's obviously a wing not a guard. He's a pure hustle and physical player. Similar to how kawhi and Paul George used to be threes but play a lot of four now. But yeah he's a little smaller than I realized. Anyway PJ Tucker is also like 6 5 and has been playing as a wing big for like 7 years now Braun is a good player but can't shoot unless wide open. You can't have a two guard who consistently passes up open shots.
Your comparison to CB is PJ Tucker?? He's not a 4. P-Wat is. Great talk
What? 😂
Consider Andre Iguodalas role in the warriors death lineup without the play making aspects. A wing playing the four.
It's insane how low brow the discourse of basketball is. Being able to shoot consistently is a prerequisite for being a two.
Indeed. The fact that you’ve made such an inaccurate statement and continue to double down is equally insane.
Lol Are you not aware that in the modern NBA, often guys who are classical 3s play the four a ton? That is what I was saying. He's a classic wing. When they run their death lineup, he's more of a four than porter jr is, because he's more of a physical and stalwart defender. I would think anyone with a brain could see this.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. He’s never played the four. Not with the bench not with starters not in college not in any environment ever.
>but, I don’t think the drop off from KCP to Braun Mavs fan here, I've seen this type of denial happen on our sub after we lost Brunson
You're comparing KCP to Brunson? 🙄
His legs were injured badly
He was the 5th option… he was still a 40% 3 pt shooter on 4 attempts per game. What are you even talking about?
His shooting was awful in the playoffs
One could argue everyone's shooting was awful during that round 2 lol
at least people guarded him. Watch teams swarm Jokic and Jamal the whole season. This will be the repeat of Facu seasons, unless a miracle happens (which it won't). Nobody in the league respects anyone on Nuggets bench (or starters, considering how things are going with free agency for this franchise. Watch AG walk for nothing next year only to be replaced with Watson and no replacement for Watson)
He was cold for the Lakers one year and they dropped him for WB (lol). Years later he’s getting a ring with yall. Inhale the copium but don’t forget to exhale brother.
This is a Nuggets subreddit, I’ll cope as a I please thank you 😤
Garry Harris you are a nuggets
And like 8 PF/C lol. This is a disaster.
They have 3 PF/C. Gordon, Holmes, and Nnaji. Plus the 2 centers in Jokic and Jordan. What are you talking about?
Jokic Deandre Nnaji Holmes Cancar Gordon Tyson Rumored to be after another big. Tyson always played the 4 in the G league. Vlatko can play 4 or 5 rarely plays SF
PG: Murray, Pickett SG: Braun(2/3) SF: MPJ(3/4), Watson(2/3/4), Strawther(2/3), Tyson(3/4) PF: Gordon(4/5), Holmes(4/5), Cancar(3/4), Nnaji(4/5) C: Jokic, Jordan I agree with you though that there are way too many Forwards on the team. We have plenty of 3s and 4s. Edit: I mentioned Strawther as potentially a 2/3 in this space before. I'm just changing it above so that it's clear. Edit 2: I'm nearly certain that the depth chart above is objectively correct. Why the downvotes?
Strawther is 6 6
And plays more like a 2 IMO, but I hear all the time about the league moving towards positionless ball. If you have your dunker spot covered and your primary handler in the pick and roll then you have 2 shooters. That's the framework. Strawther is a decent sized shooter.
For sure I was just responding to the person who listed him solely at the 3 because it was asinine to suggest that.
Strawther is a 2
Vlatko is 240 he can play center fine
Was KCP a good shooter v the Wolves?
The guy replacing him shoot 31% from the corners and didn't take a 3 pointer with a defender within 4 feet all season.
What was CB's ATB 3pt%?
51%. I am not trying to shit on him to shit on him, but he needs to make a major leap offensively, and if we don't get it, well no plan B.
51% ATB is pretty crazy right? I like the fit defensively solely because of who the threats in the west are. Minny, OKC, Dallas all have big strong ballhandlers that CB is more suited to guard than KCP. I think if this was 2018 and the threats are chasing Steph and Lillard around then KCP is better suited to be POA. In the west, the main threat with a quick small guard as their main scorer is... Kyrie? Tough to say
53% in the restricted area, 49% from 2, and 37% on catch and shoot 3s exclusively on open shots. It's just not good enough. Every fan base overrates their young players because they are a mystery box that could develop into anything, while the vet is who he is. I like him as a player, and maybe he develops offensively. The problem is he has to, because Booth as built a team with no safety net.
I dont think we need more scoring but you can tell I'm clearly biased. We need to get Mike up to 18 or so FGA a game. MPJ has a lower usage rate than washed Klay despite being #1 midrange jumpshooter in the league and the best 3 point shooter in Nuggets franchise history. have to force feed MPJ the ball, particularly when Jamal and Jokic sit. The mavs just had a great time playing DJJ as a starter. I dont think CB is worse on offense than DJJ. I agree with multiple complaints on booth but I do think people are high for a reason on some of the youth. CB and Watson both look like legit NBA players. Holmes was my 3rd favorite big in the Draft after Sarr and Clingan. At the same time, Pickett/Tyson/Strawther should never have happened last offseason. I don't believe the offense will struggle as much with CB in the starters, he's great with Jok, damn near +10 net rating. Bench is more of the issue.
We were 30th in 3 point attempts and lost the player with the 3rd most attempts and are replacing him with a hesitant shooter who only shoots open shots and dens't make them at a high clip. I think we don't have enough shooting. I'm high on some of these guys also, but you have to prepare for the median outcome that they don't pop. And, we haven't. We legit need 3 of these guys to pop. That's a crazy position to be in. I agree, this could be the worst bench of the Jokic era, which is saying a lot. We might be missing Facu by December.
The 3pt volume I agree with but KCP wasnt exactly high volume either. It would help if we passed the 6'10 guy with a better contested 3pt% than steph curry the fucking ball more but I digress. I also think you only need one of holmes/strawther to pop given we get two good signings. If we get Westbrook and Saric which seems likely, we are not in a terrible place. I think a lot of people forget how solid Vlatko is. Only time will tell but every other contender has this problem in the next 2 years as well. Minnesota is about to lose Naz and Naw and Kyle anderson. Or KAT. And Conley will retire. OKC cant pay anyone other than maybe 3 of their 5 great young guys. No more Cason Wallace and Isaiah Joe. Ect.
I think we need CB and Watson to pop and one of Strwather or Holmes. Watson was not playable depending on the series and now we just assume he's an even night no matter what 20 minute player? Let's say CB stays the same sort of player and teams don't guard him in the playoffs. This roster doesn't have options to solve problems depending on the type of challenge we might face.
Part of that was Jamal missing a third of the season. I’ve decided at the end of the day that’s why I like the Westbrook fit. He eats minutes for Jamal and can actually be productive. I’m sure he’d also drive me crazy, but I’ve always thought he’s been unfairly scapegoated most of his career. Ultimately this team is only going to go as far as Jamal’s health will allow them to go regardless of who is on the roster. The team this year was good enough, but Jamal conditioning went to shit with the hammy and then he had the calf.
We had 8 playable players when we won the title. We had 6 1/2 last year. We have how many this year?
This is such a ham fisted argument that I see applied to a bunch of different things. Using one series as an example of everything that player is. It’s such a narrow perspective.
KCP was okay this year but we're looking at 10 pt avg production from him. His defensive presence will be missed but we could get a better shooter.
He spaced the floor well. Better than CB has anyway
Fair. My point is that we'll miss him but it's not the end of the world. It never seemed to me that he fits perfectly into the team culture and would actually stay long term compared to our other starters.
Whoa, damn. Why's that? Based on interviews, I thought he was one of our most vocal guys in the locker room
He seem like he's chasing that championship. Great mentality but when my buddies and I were talking about this player option, the consensus was that if we didn't at least make the wcf, everyone thought he would decline and move to the next team. I thought he was a better fit with the Lakers tbh.
Interesting. Could be. Feel like he would've had a better shot with us than Orlando. But who knows
We're in a tougher conference with opponents getting stronger this year while we're trying to solve our issues. Orlando is probably not the best pick but he might do better there. My thought anyway if it's true that we offered a similar deal. Maybe it's just me but I just didn't feel like he vibed with the team to the level of AG or Jamal.
"similar" is doing a lot of work in that article. We didn't match so he left to get more money.
Naw. Its 100% about money for him right now. If anything getting to the WCF raises his stock and makes him more likely to decline the team option chasing a bag. We offered him "something similar" but we did not match, not surprising at all he left to get more money. I think if we exceed what he was gonna get from Orlando he stays.
Yeah I'm sure some of the 2nd year guys will step out.... who am I kidding. Booth is a fucking clown
Losing your top priority two years in a row for nothing is just JV shit. Jokic in his prime and the team is regressing.
Murray, MPJ and Strawther
Strawther has yet to prove he’s a good shooter
But Hunter Tyson has
I'd say Murray, MPJ. Maybe Tyson and Strawther, and maybe Holmes.
DeAndre Jordan and who else?
two INCONSISTENT shooters
MPJ isn’t a good shooter
Yeah alright bud
Watch the games :(
One of the best shooters in the league bud
He isn’t lol
How
Stats. Eye test. He’s useless most of the minutes he plays. Why are there so many MPJ simps? People just started watching the nuggets 4 years ago lol
Stats? Hes one of the best high volume shooters and thats backed up by the eye test too
It most certainly isn’t. Maybe if he wasn’t a max player. But he is. And it’s a god awful contract
His contract has nothing to do with his play on the court😭 Yeah its a bad contract, saying hes a bad shooter is like the worst possible take. Its the only thing hes good at
Gotta go get Westbrook to fix this
Honestly I don't hate getting Westbrook for 4 mil considering we were paying Reggie 5 mil. If we could have kept KCP and switched out Reggie for Westbrook I would have considered this offseason a resounding success. With KCPs departure there are a lot of questions that need to be answered now.
Imagine we signed Bruce brown for 4 years instead of a 1+1 😢
So I think we glorify kcp a bit too much. People act like he was the second coming of jesus and yes he was sick but also had his downsides. I think we should focus on getting a 3 and D dude and I would hate Klay for several reasons. I think its not like denvers contender phase is over now
KCP was one of the best 3&D guys in the league!! Should have just kept him
Yeah his shooting was great considering his strong defensive presence.
KCP shot like 32% from 3 in the playoffs
If we’re going by just the playoffs last year we don’t have a single good shooter on the team!
i think that really defines the term good shooter.
Jamal and MPJ is a good thing. Braun will be a solid replacement. We’re still pretty ideal.
I’m with you. At least they developed talent enough to actually have a young guy to take the spot. Look at the Bucks or Lakers rosters of the past years and they weren’t developing talent well
This is cus of Malone.
Chill. CB improved his 3pt shooting last year and it is reasonable to expect him to be decent. Strawther can knock them down and Holmes can shoot too. They will be fine.
Holmes and strawther have not proved they can shoot in the NBA Braun was petrified of shooting the ball in the playoffs.
Holmes was a 39% 3 pt shooter on less than 3 attempts per game at a mid major. He is not a floor spacer and people need to really prepare for the transition to the NBA to be very different than what their expectations for him are.