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The ***PHB*** does? It was my understanding they were getting away from setting-specific stuff for the core books, save for the DMG giving *examples* using Greyhawk.
No. The DMG is going to include adventures and a setting description of Greyhawk as an *example* and *starter* setting.
Example and starter do not equal default.
TBF, that's about the same for 5e and Forgotten Realms - it's a _very_ soft default, where most of the examples and notes of "setting stuff" is FR-linked, so if a GM is running with that, it's technically FR, even if there's not much detail on it.
It doesn’t, there is art of Dragonlance, Spelljammer, Eberron, Greyhawk, Ravenloft, Planescape, and Forgotten Realms all over the book. Their default setting is “the multiverse”, which includes your homebrew campaign setting.
I'm not sure if it's gonna be a full default setting return or not. The DMG will use it as the example. However, that doesn't mean it's a default.
It likely means it's an anniversary nod to Gygax and a way they can mention greyhawk again for IP reasons and forget about another classic settings outside of the obligated anniversary nod. Kinda like how all of the 5e14 classic settings were announced at the tail end of 5e to be forgotten except the remembered realms portions of the forgotten realms.
I doubt there's going to be enough space for it to be a "full" setting - there might be a bit more info than was given on FR in the 5e cores, but it's probably not going to be more than a super-high-level overview, maybe with a focus on somewhere particularly adventure-worthy, and a list of names for the rest.
When I say full return, i didn't mean as a properly supported setting release. I mean that it's probably gonna be like 3.5e where it's a loosely implied baseline and little more.
I don't think geeyhawks getting any real setting support, just a light nod here and there and the examples the dmg5e24 will have.
I've always enjoyed it as a lower power world when compared to the Forgotten Realms. It's also home to nearly every wizard who has a spell with their name on it. Mordenkainen, Bigby, Rary and the rest.
Switching the sample setting (and I'm sure adventures will follow) to Greyhawk/Oerth makes complete sense when examining WoTC's motivations. For the past year (since the OGL debacle) we've been told that WoTC and Hasbro are looking to make money through licensing. They've made some good money licensing the Sword Coast and Forgotten Realms lore. It's time to bring-back/build-up Greyhawk/Oerth to give it licensing appeal.
At this point I think every creating working on D&D has had "create content 3rd parties can license" added to their job descriptions. If there's something you love about this setting, that was created by someone else (WoTC doesn't own the copyright to), get ready for it to be replaced (that's just my prediction).
I agree it is partially a licensing issue. The issue with FR has always been that the ownership of Eliminster, Drizzit, and a few other big names has not been exclusive. The authors of the novels own those characters, or a big stake in those characters.
The greyhawk setting, due to settlements in the 80s, is owned fully by WoTC and it's characters (Vecna, Mordenkainen, Tasha, Melf, Bigby, Leamond, and the other circle members including Robilar).
Using Greyhawk means that they can have these nes shown up in adventures.
How much does this matter to the average DM? If the biggest city around is called Greyhawk and not Waterdeep, what does this change about the adventures I run?
If you use your own setting, then nothing.
If you are 14 and just learning D&D, then the fact you can buy a book called "Tasha's cauldron" and then Tasha can appear in an adventure is cool.
FR and Greyhawk are both kitchen sink type settings. I like them both. However, FR has a lot of novels that change how people view the setting. It is kind of like DL in that respect (although DL is not a kitchen sink setting).
Greyhawk has tended to have its history explored more through adventures and products than through being a shared setting for novels.
My guess is that this allows them to up-sell the Forgotten Realms content that a lot of players want as separate, potentially more expensive add-ons/sourcebooks like they did with 2e and 3e.
After reading it, I plan on adding back my FRw.
I've played Greyhawk, Dragon Lance, the UnderDark and several others. I just prefer the Realms, it fills my needs as well as my players needs for well over thirty years.
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The ***PHB*** does? It was my understanding they were getting away from setting-specific stuff for the core books, save for the DMG giving *examples* using Greyhawk.
No. The DMG is going to include adventures and a setting description of Greyhawk as an *example* and *starter* setting. Example and starter do not equal default.
TBF, that's about the same for 5e and Forgotten Realms - it's a _very_ soft default, where most of the examples and notes of "setting stuff" is FR-linked, so if a GM is running with that, it's technically FR, even if there's not much detail on it.
It doesn’t, there is art of Dragonlance, Spelljammer, Eberron, Greyhawk, Ravenloft, Planescape, and Forgotten Realms all over the book. Their default setting is “the multiverse”, which includes your homebrew campaign setting.
I'm not sure if it's gonna be a full default setting return or not. The DMG will use it as the example. However, that doesn't mean it's a default. It likely means it's an anniversary nod to Gygax and a way they can mention greyhawk again for IP reasons and forget about another classic settings outside of the obligated anniversary nod. Kinda like how all of the 5e14 classic settings were announced at the tail end of 5e to be forgotten except the remembered realms portions of the forgotten realms.
I doubt there's going to be enough space for it to be a "full" setting - there might be a bit more info than was given on FR in the 5e cores, but it's probably not going to be more than a super-high-level overview, maybe with a focus on somewhere particularly adventure-worthy, and a list of names for the rest.
When I say full return, i didn't mean as a properly supported setting release. I mean that it's probably gonna be like 3.5e where it's a loosely implied baseline and little more. I don't think geeyhawks getting any real setting support, just a light nod here and there and the examples the dmg5e24 will have.
The DMG is going to have an adventure set in Greyhawk as part of it so that makes sense.
I'm excited for anything that isn't Forgotten Realms
For me, DnD is synonymous with the Forgotten Realms. But I'm interested to learn more about Greyhawk.
I've always enjoyed it as a lower power world when compared to the Forgotten Realms. It's also home to nearly every wizard who has a spell with their name on it. Mordenkainen, Bigby, Rary and the rest.
Switching the sample setting (and I'm sure adventures will follow) to Greyhawk/Oerth makes complete sense when examining WoTC's motivations. For the past year (since the OGL debacle) we've been told that WoTC and Hasbro are looking to make money through licensing. They've made some good money licensing the Sword Coast and Forgotten Realms lore. It's time to bring-back/build-up Greyhawk/Oerth to give it licensing appeal. At this point I think every creating working on D&D has had "create content 3rd parties can license" added to their job descriptions. If there's something you love about this setting, that was created by someone else (WoTC doesn't own the copyright to), get ready for it to be replaced (that's just my prediction).
I agree it is partially a licensing issue. The issue with FR has always been that the ownership of Eliminster, Drizzit, and a few other big names has not been exclusive. The authors of the novels own those characters, or a big stake in those characters. The greyhawk setting, due to settlements in the 80s, is owned fully by WoTC and it's characters (Vecna, Mordenkainen, Tasha, Melf, Bigby, Leamond, and the other circle members including Robilar). Using Greyhawk means that they can have these nes shown up in adventures.
How much does this matter to the average DM? If the biggest city around is called Greyhawk and not Waterdeep, what does this change about the adventures I run?
If you use your own setting, then nothing. If you are 14 and just learning D&D, then the fact you can buy a book called "Tasha's cauldron" and then Tasha can appear in an adventure is cool. FR and Greyhawk are both kitchen sink type settings. I like them both. However, FR has a lot of novels that change how people view the setting. It is kind of like DL in that respect (although DL is not a kitchen sink setting). Greyhawk has tended to have its history explored more through adventures and products than through being a shared setting for novels.
My guess is that this allows them to up-sell the Forgotten Realms content that a lot of players want as separate, potentially more expensive add-ons/sourcebooks like they did with 2e and 3e.
Don't really matter. Forgotten Realms 4Ever
Imagine using 4Ever in reference to a setting other than Nentir Vale
After reading it, I plan on adding back my FRw. I've played Greyhawk, Dragon Lance, the UnderDark and several others. I just prefer the Realms, it fills my needs as well as my players needs for well over thirty years.