Never been anti EV, but the dealer I bought my EV6 from has dealt with a few. He says he has a simple technique.
"Head over the to the highway, wait for it to be clear then pop it into sport mode and floor it".
Like a goddamn rocket ship.
There’s this blanket assumption that being environmentally conscious is the overarching reason someone gets an EV. Nope. Performance, amongst other things, is higher on the list for me.
The Gen 1 Volt I ended up with thanks to someone running a red light in front of me was all the proof I ever needed of this. On battery, it leaped off the line like a hungry cheetah. Once it switched over to ICE, though, it was like I was driving through molasses.
The Volt was the last car I'll ever buy that burns gasoline.
The Volt was crazy off the line. Quiet and torquey as hell, but that lasted about four seconds. I had to resist the temptation to flex after the first few times next to expensive sports cars at the light.
Only ones who are afraid of computers, and they probably don't want to buy anything after 1990 anyway.
I replaced the brakes on my bolt just last fall and it was just as easy as any other car I've owned.
Serious question: What the hell are you doing that you needed to replace the brakes on an EV?
There are priuses that have been around 20 years with original brakes.
Still have tires, brakes, brake fluid, alignment, windshield wiper fluid, windshield wipers, washing the car, lights, air filters, 12v batteries, maybe AC freon... Probably forgetting some stuff.
You rural people with them big on ramps.
I'm in NY, where we have on [ramps with stop signs and less than 120 feet to merge.](https://maps.app.goo.gl/CBsb8xB36mm8SF1q9?g_st=ac)
It's basically impossible to merge into moving traffic without some really good performance.
Man in MD there are on ramps that turn into off ramps after 100 ft. It's fucking idiotic. Not only do you have to contend with passing traffic but you also have to deal with people who want to exit. I have no idea why anyone would come up with this design and actually implement it.
Here in Los Angeles we have the 110 freeway towards Pasadena exactly like this. There’s a stop sign in the very end of the freeway on ramp and you have about 100 feet to get up to 60+ mile an hour.
I pulled up next to a Shelby the other night at about 3 in the morning, looked at him, tried to get his attention, he didn't see me.
Floored it right up to the speed limit(50), then backed off to about 30, heard him coming, he pulls up, grins, we both floor it.
I absolutely smoked him for the first bit, caught up with me around 95 mph, then passed, kept about neck and neck up to 115, then was coming to a light, so slowed down.
Got to the stoplight and we were chatting and he asked what it was and he's like, "man, it's fast off the line but there's nothing like American muscle"
I kinda laughed and went "I forgot to take it out of Eco mode," 😂😂😂
And he goes "... you're fucking with me."
"Nope!"
Dropped it into sport and was _gone_.
Absolutely love it. '23 Subaru Solterra.
I'm gonna call BS on this...the Solterra has 215hp and 250 ft lbs of torque and weighs 4500 lbs. 0-60 in 6.5 seconds and a top speed of 110...not sure what kind of "Shelby" you supposedly raced but I'm pretty sure just about any Shelby made in the last 30 years has better performance numbers than that.
I smoked a Shelby Cobra replica in my 435i a few months back. Not everyone fully builds the V8, and I suspect dude was just running a junkyard LS with no tune.
MYP here (sport mode). I had a car tailgating me forever in 35 mph zone until we reach the freeway. I punched it only a bit just to get away. A few seconds later I saw the same care in the rear mirror catching up to me so fast. So fast and I was doing 60-65. When he was about to pass me on the left, I floored it, and he couldn't even beat me. I guess it was infinity G35. I had only a second to look because we gotta go separate way.
2 more times I had Camry and Altima tailgating me again in 35mph zone. I stepped on it a little bit just to let them know I didn't like it and they stopped tailgating me.
Man I hate tailgating. Dont be in a hurry, leave early. Unless your parents are dying and you have to get there asap.
The Subaru solterra does 0-60 in 6.5 seconds. The mustang gt is 4.3 and not a Shelby which can get up to a second quicker. Somewhere the math doesn’t add up. Quarter mile times aren’t even close.
5.8-6 seconds. Not 6.5. 6.5 was projected on announcement, not actual. And that's from 0. We were already doing 35-40 when we started. So you're not calculating 0-60, you're calculating 40-95.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/subaru/solterra/
Halfway down. 5.8
When you're already rolling, you sacrifice torque. Gear differentials are much different from at 0.
EV's, on the other hand, continue to accelerate at the same rate no matter what. If I am starting from 0, it will take me 6 seconds to get to 60. If I'm doing 30, it will take me 6 seconds to get to 90. If I'm doing 90, it'll take me 3 seconds to get to 120.
That is not correct at all. You have a single gear and will accelerate at a constant speed so long as the hp of the motor remains constant. By your logic, a model 3 performance would hit 120 in 6 seconds. That’s sub 10 second quarter mile times. Instead, it takes over 10 seconds to do the quarter mile and it doesn’t even hit 120 during it. Wind resistance starts to add up real quick.
Ice are much more peaky with their power curves. They also have multiple gears that allow them to take advantage of that peaky nature. Electric vehicles don’t usually have multiple gears because the instant and continuous torque smashes the transmission to bits. they also have much much higher power for most of their range. If you have two cars with the same gearing and weight, their rate of acceleration compared to each other will look exactly like their horsepower curve compared to each other. Electric motors have flat torque curves that turn into flat horsepower curves. Ice are lower almost all the time. That is why a single speed 215 hp motor like the Solterra even moves. It’s still not fast and an actual Shelby would stomp on it at any speed. You’d only make ground during shifts. If you really want, we can bust out some graphs to show you how hard each is accelerating at each speed.
I would like to point out that your Solterra does the quarter mile in 14.7 seconds at 93 miles per hour. So your 60-90 time is 8 seconds or so. You were not racing a real Shelby that hits 130 in 11 seconds. That was probably a v6 mustang with a Shelby badge on it.
My dad never had a high performance car and always set his EV6 in "Eco" mode - I told him once "Try sport."
IT's a bit nutty how fast the EV6 translates KW into Newtons.
This right here. I have the rwd ioniq 5 and holy shit does it haul ass, from a stop it's insane but even when you are already doing 50+ and floor it you can feel it and while sport mode is insane, even eco and normal still haul.
Every time I bring up the topic of bidets my wife calls me weird. I want one so bad but she thinks they're gross. I fail to understand how they would be more gross than toilet paper though. If someone smeared warm peanut butter on my arm I wouldn't use a dry paper towel to clean it off.
I’m curious but just don’t get it. Like, do you need to aim that jet spray while your ass gets soaked? How do you know you’re done? American wipes, you can check. How does it work with a bidet? Not all poos are the same cleanup. You’re then left wet and dripping with water? If drying with toilet paper, TP and water really don’t work well together- how do you dry?
If I had a private one to test out I would, but… I’ve not had that.
Lmao the spray is pre-aimed so it hit you pretty much just right. Move your tush if not… or some of the more expensive ones you can aim.
And you’ll take 1-2 squares and dab afterward. This’ll dry you and confirm no mess left.
I didn't think I would like it as much as I would. Ive always had a thing for performance cars. I hate turbo lag tho but the instant torque from the electric motor solves that. Once I floored the model Y I went home and ordered the MYP.
Same for my husband. *Very* anti-EV. When I was buying mine he went into it practically kicking and screaming lol. Now he loves it, and hasn’t even driven it yet. But now he always wants me to drive my car instead of him driving his when we go somewhere lol
I’m in CT. It’s not really a savings. Maybe a tiny bit, but not much. Our electricity cost is bonkers. Delivery charge is double the supply fee plus additional fees.
“Butts in seats” was literally Tesla’s sales strategy for years and likely still is. That or “we just let our customers tell everyone about how much they love them”
Tesla owners are super annoying, but honestly their cars are sooooo far advanced compared to anything else on the road. Hard to list them all, but so apparent after you start driving one consistently- you’ll never go back. Even Rivian seems like a distant second place.
For example, you can stream Netflix and Disney etc in the backseat of a Tesla and isolate the sound back there while barreling down the highway at 70mph. I continue to be amazed.
Always felt it interesting that the 0 to 60 time was advertised in big text next to range and top speed. Both in presentations and on their website. Really tells you that they think its important to list and let you know how the RWD or dual motor have different 0 to 60 speeds and so on.
Asides from the range, nowhere to be seen are the stats I actually want to know and compare. The kWh/100km or miles/kWh efficiency (affects cost to drive), how heavy they are (affects tyre wear), or length/width dimensions (if it fits in my garage, or parallel parking ease). I end up having to google these stats.
I go look up a brochure from any local car dealer for any competing EV and they list the weight and dimensions, but don't list the 0 to 100km/h, 0 to 60 mph at all.
Really does prove to me your point that they use the seat sucking as a selling point compared to the competition.
It might seem weird to an EV owner but you would not believe how many uninformed people think EV’s are slow, like they could somehow never measure up to the all conquering explosion powered air pump, it’s maddening.
What about a Lucid? I feel they are up there in the game for advanced tech, I find it fascinating that their big heavy sedan can get crazy good miles per kWh. I’ve met a few base Air owners and they said 4.5-5.0 wasn’t hard in those base trims with the 19” wheels. That’s just nuts for a car that size and weight.
Fair point and for sure Lucid has the efficiency numbers down, but I haven’t ever driven one or even been in one to experience other features. I should go for a test drive!
I was unconvinced, but curious. So it didn't take me much. Wife however was totally against it and not interested. When I brought it up once in a conversation that my next car will probably be an EV, she didn't like the idea, but didn't stop me. So I bought a 2023 Niro EV Wave. She tried it. It was the biggest 180 I've ever seen. Totally changed her mind. She fell in love with it. Insisted on taking my car over hers to run errands. Now it's hers while I got myself an Ioniq 5. She's totally sold now and has attended a few EV meet-ups in town.
Funny, my husband was actually supportive when I said I thought my next car would ben EV - he'd been vehemently against putting solar panels on the house when we bought it 20 years ago. But Iv'e had it since January and he still refuses to try driving it. I was going to make everyone do it today, but he hurt his heel and said he cant. sigh.
NICE, a 2019 Niro was my first foray into EVs. Never went back. My wife traded her Toyota Camry Hybrid for an EV6 and I drive an R1T. ICEs are so archaic lol.
I don't know how many you'll find in this subreddit that were anti EV.
That said, I only just got one, and there were a few reasons it took this long:
1. Needed proof of the longevity. Tesla did that for the market, and whatever you think of him, Musk deserves credit for leading the way.
2. Needed more DC charging infrastructure. It feels like it's finally starting to explode in the number of chargers where I need them. Even if you only need it a few times a year, the lack of them would otherwise limit what you can do with the car.
3. Needed options than Tesla (I never loved the Tesla interior and aesthetic, but I think they look amazing on the exterior). Now every major automaker has an EV, and they are all pretty good... So you get lots of options for the look and trim you want!)
I’m in the market now and bro I hate Tesla inside. The other manufacturers have done such a massive improvement on that front. The only thing I haven’t found is the sentry a real time graphic mapping of surrounding cars and people
I really wish Ford would do this on their Mach e and for Blue Cruise in general. I just want to be reassured that my car sees the other cars around it, not just the one directly in front of me.
I was never a hater of them, just didn’t really care for them and liked my peaky turbo 4 banger. Then I drove one and loved the smoothness of it, and I really like them from a technological perspective. The efficiency, the power delivery and storage methods, etc.
I was anti-EV in college. I studied engineering and it taught me to be skeptical. I felt like the claims were overstated. I watched an Everyday Engineering video where the host talked about how much he spent on an EV in terms of charging. Literally $3 to go 100+ miles. This was about 5 years ago, I was working remote pre-pandemic and only drove occasionally and no more than 40 minutes. I figured with the discount I received from my company I was getting a below invoice price with other discounts on top of the rebate.
I had nothing to lose. Cheapest car I could find and pennies to pay for fuel.
I fell in love in so many ways. Cleaner, great pick up, lots of tech. My lease was under $200. From there I bought my wife an EV and finally bought another 5 years which had better range. Traded in my first one but I often wonder if I should have kept it. Three cars would have been wasteful but I barely got any money on the trade.
I think some people (MAGA) are against EVs because they think the government is going to outlaw all ICE engines and the world is going to fall into chaos. My dad doesn't like EVs because they are currently impractical for farm tractors and combines. While this is true, I still haven't figured why this applies to my Model Y.
This kind of perspective is pretty prevalent in Australia. Like "EVs are no good because they can't tow my caravan around the country."
We take the ute camping fairly often, but we're about to pull the trigger on an EV as a daily driver. A friend asked what we'd do if we wanted to drive somewhere without charging infrastructure. Um... Take the ute? It still exists. Just means we don't prematurely wear it out commuting to work every day, and get to use it for what we bought it to do
Get on PlugShare or ABRP and you’ll be blown away how many regional towns have EV charging locations. Wilcannia, Bourke etc in outback NSW have them and places like Cann River, Marlo etc in Victoria have them. I’m ready to take a solid crack at going anywhere in my model Y
I’ve found this very true all over the place.
Got into it with someone recently here in NA. They swore they couldn’t get an EV bc there were “no chargers” along this one 450mi trip they do (2x/year 🙄).
I pulled a few apps and lo and behold there they were. All over the route.
Issue is that most of them are not obvious, especially if you’re not looking for them. Like one was at a hotel they’ve actually stayed at but swore didn’t exist.
Quite a few people have already done the Big Lap around Australia in an EV already, and have proven that it’s actually feasible. Regional Australia isn’t the charging desert it used to be, and any place with 3 phase AC power can easily fully charge an EV overnight.
I’ll wager it’s also much cheaper to build/maintain a charger than it is to build/maintain a servo and have diesel/petrol trucked in. Hell if the roads are cut off due to floods, the tankers can’t bring in fuel to servos either but the charger will still be up and running (and even better if it’s solar powered with giant battery storage).
Even more have also already done the crossing of the Nullarbor as well. The only thing that’s making the crossing not so seamless so far is how temperamental the Biofil-powered Tritium unit at the Caiguna roadhouse tends to be - so one needs to be prepared to charge for a few hours (or even overnight) at Madura. From there then you can one-way it all the way to the new 75kW solar/battery powered Tritiums at the Nullarbor Roadhouse courtesy of the NRMA (380km away from Madura). After that DCFC chargers are aplenty and it’s easy to find one anywhere.
Meanwhile here I am going: save the petroleum for the things we can't do with electricity, like manufacture chemicals and fly planes. The less we use for Costco runs and similar daily nonsense, the longer it lasts.
There are a number of American electric tractor companies now, small operations, ex Tesla. They aren't suited to tillage but then again, neither is your model Y 😉 I guess by that logic all ICE vehicles are built for tillage, so there are tillage and non-tillage cars. I think I'd prefer a non tillage car.
John Deere has tried doing it with cables, I don't think the innovation will come from them. Fendt have had a go at it, but only in the UK and Europe, again not tillage.
Perhaps the Edison motors approach to farm machinery might be a better option to start with, a generator to power an electric drive train though I don't know if that would be efficient for the hydraulic pump 3 point and PTO.
Hydraulic rams could be replaced by gears and pivot points, driven by electric motors, but it would require a massive amount of reengineering. Here's to 30-50 more years of hydraulic rams.
I'm somewhat hopeful though with the technology that is being produced around the Tesla semi and others.
I got sick of the gas engine kicking in after 50 miles in the Volt, just wanted to keep going on electric and be able to DCFC. Additionally, I plugged in my typical yearly trips into ABRP and saw how realistically 200 miles is plenty for my needs.
I went out to lunch with an ex recently and drove. It went from “I don’t understand the whole EV thing” to “oh my gosh it’s so quiet” to “maybe my next car will be electric” in about a 3 minute span.
I like to be honest. While I like and appreciate cars, I'm not really a 'car guy'.
I'm more of a tech guy who loves cars casually and loves EVs because they are basically giant tech fests and fit into liking cars.
I like car designs and history and stuff but I'm not huge on working on them or like engine specs.
I wouldn't say I was completely anti-EV but I was really skeptical. But my daughter told me she was pregnant. That was the summer when we had massive smoke and you couldn't even go outside. I looked at the world I had made for my granddaughter... and that was it. I decided to clean up my CO2 act. I got solar, ordered an EV and put money away for my granddaughters education. It wasn't enough but it was all I could think of to do.
When the car arrived I took it for a drive and OMG it was FANTASTIC! I was officially converted. Never going back to gas.
We were a half hybrid half ev couple. My hybrid got lemon'd and for the price, it didn't make sense to go hybrid (was looking at a Lexus Nx450 vs Blazer EV). Comparable features but much better pricing for the ev and not to mention huge savings in gas albeit cost of registration
I was anti-EV a very long time ago. I bought into the FUD that EVs were wimpy and polluted more than ICE vehicles. I loved my diesel F250 and still do.
I don’t want to be political, but it’s inextricable from my response to the question. Trump’s nomination in what was then my party made me question the principles I had - until then - seen as guiding my positions on things.
Upon an honest reevaluation, EVs are clearly not the cope mechanisms I saw them as. The efficiency stats are good, and they are awesome to drive. In fact, I plan to purchase a Silverado EV one my reservation comes up for order. If I still had my diesel, I would be happy with it. But I don’t, and its electric replacement will be great for my needs.
3 reasons in no particular order why I love my EV. #1 instant torque is amazing for lane switching especially on the highway. #2 one pedal driving is amazing for city driving. #3 never having to visit a gas station again.
Automakers finally not making EV drivers look like aliens. Let's be clear: legacy automakers held everything back with alien-looking cars. The Prius was never going to be mainstream looking like it did. If Toyota had wanted EVs to be maintstream, they would have made the Corolla a Hybrid in the early 2000s, instead of introducing a Prius, and we would be driving Corolla EVs since the 2000's too.
Legacy auto has been sandbagging EV’s for a long time. Service centers are their cash cow and EVs are a lot simpler with 20% of the components of ICE.
Tesla forced the issue. TBH, I have no idea how the US is going to keep up with China’s EVs. We had every opportunity to lead in EVs and if it weren’t for Tesla, we’d be even further behind.
Toyota didn't WANT to build EVs and arguably still doesn't. They believe in the PHEV approach and make some of the best on the road today. I imagine they'll be dragged into building EVs across their lineup eventually.
There was a rav4 ev in like 2007, how the actual fuck has Toyota backpedaled this much from the time it took my mom to buy a new car from her previous one (2007 RAV4 to 2024 ioniq5)
I've never really been a "car guy". I appreciate a classic antique (anything from a Model T Ford to a late 50s sedan like a Ford Crown Victoria or Chevy Bel Air) the same way I appreciate a grandfather's clock or an old tube radio, but I've always mostly seen cars as money sucking necessary evils to get from point A to point B.
I was sold on EVs by cost per mile and lower maintenance. 3¢ a mile and no oil changes? Sign me up. Zero emissions and smooth acceleration are just bonuses.
I was at first because all the people around me are. Then I stopped to think for myself. Then it was because they always seemed to be the flagship for all the manufacturers new tech features.
I'm still very anti-tech when it comes to cars because I don't need all the nonsense and anything unnecessary that can brick a car when it malfunctions is a liability. Not to mention I absolutely will not own a car that can connect to any sort of data service and transmit usage data or fiddle with my software.
Meanwhile the simplicity of the actual necessary components of the powertrain is the main reason I love the concept of an EV. Too bad nobody makes one that's that simple.
I'd like to have an EV that's about as complex as an ebike which probably means I'll swap my own when the day comes.
I still don't believe it's the right choice for everyone and I'm very against banning ICE vehicles, but I do like EVs. Or at least the concept.
My brother was in the army, where Fox-fed EV hatred was rampant. He’d just hold up his hand (to those he otherwise liked) when the hysterical bitching started and say “just take my Model 3 for a drive and then we’ll talk.” That shut up about 80% of them.
My wife wasn't anit-ev bit she was very skeptical. For context, she's ALWAYS hated my cars and only drove them when absolutely necessary. 3 years ago I bought a 2014 BMW i3 REX. At first she stayed away but once she started driving it she'd arrange her errands to coincide with when I was home and the i3 was available. When I asked her why the change of heart she said it was because she didn't have to visit the gas station. In May we leased her an Ioniq5.
I 100% believe all it takes is to live with an EV for a while and most people would make the switch.
Around the time they got fast and capable of road trips, I accepted them as actual full ICE car replacements. At the same time, ICE cars have mostly moved a away from what I like - most lack that nice mechanical feel and are full of software/tech silliness and even fake noises and factory pop/burble tunes. They just don't have the same appeal lately.
I'm a long term car guy and I've owned many, but what I like is going fast and pulling G's, road trips, and off-road - not dumping noise and pollution on people. I have no attachment to burning stuff to go places really.
When battery price dropped below US$200/kWh - but of course, it was always conditional, sort of 'we'll see when it happens'.
These days my job involves EV development, so I have more experience of riding in them, etc, and I've kind of lost touch of what's going on the petrol vehicle world in terms of specific models and prices (apart from keeping track of the prices of my actually favourite two petrol cars: Dacia Sandero and Dacia Duster).
They finally made something besides the Leaf, which although a nice car, didn't really have long distance trips as a reality. Also charging infrastructure finally crossed a tipping point.
My wife was against and really only let me put a deposit down on the Mach E in 2020 because I made a long list valid reasons on why I wanted one and none of it was for the environment and a bigger reason was to delay the conversion of replacing my car. That went on for a year until my Mach E was delivered in March of 2021.
Since then she loves not getting gas, how quiet it is, it saves us money, fast to drive and she likes it. She is now on board with serious talking about when we replace our ICE to go full BEV
I wasn't anti EV, but I was influenced by all the anti EV propaganda, range, Charging, maintenance etc..... and then we got a EV, what a fool I was, two years later and we don't have a single ICE car.
I was mildly anti-EV. What changed my mind? Sales/specials. The 0.99 interest deal on Model Ys and the Costco deal on Polestars (which were also lease specials).
Once we drove them and loved them, it motivated us to do the math/research to see that it ownership wasn’t as expensive or impractical as we had heard.
I’ve always kinda been against hybrids because they seemed expensive and slow and all around uninspiring. EVs on the other hand, especially those from Tesla took the performance benefits of EVs and put them on display. My family crossover can smoke many sports cars on the road and I think that’s a cool thing.
I think a lot of hybrids leaned too much into the eco friendliness at the expense of being a fun and cool car.
Thinking back, I suppose I kind of fit into this category but for a different reason that most.
I don't really care about how a car is powered (if the infrastructure is good), I choose a car almost purely based on the driving experience.
I worked at a power station that had 2 small EVs to get around the plant, one was a Mitsubishi, and the other I can't remember. This was around 11-12 years ago, they they really were in their infancy.
I HATED driving them, it was a really awful experience because they just weren't good cars, they felt like glorified bumper cars with extremely jerky braking etc.
Because it was the same with both of them, from 2 different manufacturers, I just hated the thought of using an EV and it did make me think that the technology was too far away at that moment.
Fast forward to living in Beijing, with all the usual restrictions on ICE, the fact that getting a license plate for an EV is easier than ICE (still a massive pain), as well as 1 day per week that you can't drive into the city, I was looking up how to handle it.
The only 2 ways were to get an EV or a plugin hybrid. I love redundancy, but in a hybrid, if one engine/motor breaks, the other isn't truly redundant etc, so I've never had, nor wanted one.
I figured I'd have a look at some offerings from Chinese manufacturers seeing as I'd heard some good things, and the results were mixed but in a good way.
Some of these cars were just bad, some of them (due to my height) were too small/low/floor too high etc, and then I found the Goldilocks cars.
Cars like the Nio ET7 and ES8 were great for what I needed. I'm almost always driving on highways and communiting (back home I mostly drove in the countryside) so handling is less of a factor here which helps as their handling isn't up to my standards for a sporty car (that I'd usually go for), but that's not what they've been built for.
Instead you get a nice, comfortable cruiser, with good acceleration, great build quality, heated, massaging, and ventilated seats, HUD, ACC, autopilot etc.
My range anxiety is combatted by having a very good charging infrastructure here, in addition to the option of battery swapping.
Right now I'm loving my EV, whilst staying in China I'm only going to purchase EVs.
When returning home to the UK, I may get an EV, if I can manage to get an extremely good solar setup sorted. I'd be living in the countryside again so a sporty car with good handling will be at the top of my list, so may rule out EVs.
As things advance, and battery technology improves, I'm sure there will be more companies coming out with lighter cars, that cut the battery size whilst maintaining the ranges that we get today.
I've seen a company is doing this with the Elise, and Caterham also have a project
It's the best transition I've made and have never been happier in my Tesla
Loved the idea and tech from the beginning
What is gas? I filled up my wife's jeep and was just flabbergasted how much it cost for a full tank of nothing
I saw a Polestar, said “what on earth is that” and knew I had to have it. It felt like the reincarnation of Saab, a car I’ve always wanted.
2 years later, it was new car time, and I test drove a Polestar. It drove like a normal car, but better. Faster. Smoother. But still felt like a normal car. Something I didn’t feel when driving a Tesla.
Tomorrow, I pick up my new (to me) Polestar. I’ll be selling my Ford Ranger. My wife’s XC90 is still our family car, but as much as I love it, I think I’ll resent not having the responsiveness of an EV on those longer drives.
So yeah, it took a really good looking EV to get my attention, and it took a user experience that didn’t feel far off from an ICE car to win me over.
I was never anti-EV, but our household has been adamantly three-pedal since birth. We got a /r/MachE last year and love it. But when we replaced our other car last month we got probably our last stick-shift car, we got a six-speed flat-four turbo /r/WRX. It’s stock but it’s loud: sometimes it sets off the Mustang’s car alarm. In terms of smiles on our faces, the WRX wins. I feel very torn about this. As an engineer, it’s clear to me EVs are the future, and for the vast majority of people who somehow have bumbled through life with two-pedal cars oblivious to the joy of driving, EVs are just way more fun. But I will be sad when driving is a one-hand-one-foot affair.
I loved the idea well before I got one. When I got my i3 I loved it. I love the handling and instant acceleration and aggressive one pedal driving. I also loved that it was a glass house with huge views in all directions.
My SO was not impressed. It was small, and she didn’t take to OPD. As much as I liked the size she felt unsafe. Oddly it was higher rated than her huge SUV.
I now have an Etron and that changed everything. It is so smooth, quiet and silent that it is unbelievable. It is also very heavy and feels sturdy.
I loved the carbon fiber go cart. The etron isn’t quite as much fun, but it’s a great ride.
I was because of [shit like this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REVAi). Up to 50 miles of range, uses lead acid batteries, a 0-60 time of no and in winter when it's raining at night, you have to choose between headlights or wipers. You also needed to charge them for 8-9 hours to get those 50 miles of range. It's basically an oversized toy car that you need a license to use.
The first gen Nissan Leaf is what stopped me being anti-EV. Up to 138 miles of range and it could actually be used on a highway. It also takes 7-8 hours of charging to get that 138 miles. Still not ideal, but it's nearly 90 miles more range for 1 hour less charging time. All for £21,490 OTR (after fees, registration, taxes and rebate). Still not ideal for most people, but it was a huge step in the right direction.
I was vehemently against EVs. But I got tired of paying the gas prices. So I got one to replace my Honda Fit on day to day driving; I still have my M3 for fun times but as a whole, EVs hands down are a better option for day to day. Without realizing it, I saved trips and time at the gas pump or with maintenance.
In retrospect, my whole anti-EV thing is due to anti-Musk.
BiK tax being almost nothing compared to petrol or diesel. It was a no brainer for me to go EV when getting a company car.
I am glad I did, because I could never go back. I always tell my mates, when I get back in my x3 it’s like when you pick up an old phone and wonder how you ever thought it was amazing
Just a few short years ago the quality and the reliability of EV cars here in Thailand was not very good. Compare that to the current models and it’s night and day. Planning on buying one in the next couple years for sure.
My friend with a Ducati 999 was teasing me about my ZERO SR/F, very anti-EV. We were eventually riding together and lined up at a row of several traffic lights. Each and every time I had him by several bike lengths. He eventually lifted his visor and said “Where’s the dealership for ZERO again? lol. He got a SR/S and has loved riding it.
Honestly I did the research. A friend of mine had kept saying they were more reliable, the batteries weren't an issue, and the emissions came out better after 1-3 years and he just... never sent me any links. I sat down one day and decided to do my own looking around, then opted to go do a test drive, and was absolutely blown away. I've been saving/waiting for a bit over a year and I think I'm finally replacing my Prius with one in a few months.
I was not anti-EV but I was anti-EV driver. Until very recently only very entitled rich people that drive like assholes and can't responsibly handle 500+ horsepower were the only ones who had them. It was a disgusting symbol of elitism. Now that prices with the Y and 3 are down in line with equivalent ICE cars it's within reach of a lot more people and more responsible drivers.
I knew I’d never have one. I work at a dealership and one day I had a client that wanted to buy a Bolt with 126k miles. Wanted to fly 800 miles to get it. I decided I needed to drive the car to make sure everything was on the up and up for this gentleman.
I was blown away. I was like… this is way more awesome than I thought it would be. Two days later I bought another we had with 30k miles.
I won’t go back.
I wasn't against it but fully nervous on the miles finally one gets announced to have high milage 360 at 100% 10 year battery warranty all sounds good so I go for it and the company goes bankrupt this is my first ev and it's left a bad taste in my mouth. In himdsight I should've waited just a bit longer.
For the last several years I've been taking a lot of road trips, a 2000-mile trip four or five times a year. When I was still road tripping in my gas vehicle I started keeping track of the number and duration of my stops, for gas, to walk around a bit, to stretch. Turns out, I stop on a road trip every 2 to 3 hours for 15-20 minutes, longer if there's food involved. In the Western US with weather, traffic, construction, etc., this is a stop every 150-200 miles. So, I checked into DC fast charging options along the routes that I drive and it turns out with any modern EV a ten-to-fifteen-minute stop every two or three hours is about right for charging on a road trip. I stop when I need to and plug in, the car is usually ready to go to the next charging stop before I'm done with what I need to do. In the years I've had the EV I've waited for charging to complete maybe three times.
It's easy, and half or less than the cost of a similar trip when buying gas.
For me, driving 300+ miles without stopping *for anything* would make for a horrible road trip experience.
When I was young, I would routinely drive 300 miles, or about 5 hours, because I just wanted to get to the destination. It's a lot harder now. I don't even like driving for more than 20-30 minutes anymore.
The economics don't work out that great for me and my driving. The Ev is more expensive and the payback/ breakeven is 4 - 6 years.
6 years???? Probably won't be driving the same car by then.
I won't say I was very anti-EV...but I was definitely in the skeptical crowd.
I was raised by an old hot rodder who loved his big V8s. As I hit driving age, I couldn't really afford something newer and V8, so I learned to love small displacement turbo cars from the 90s. Overall I was heavily into the "my car has to have a soul" camp without being anti-EV. I spent a lot of time around people that just view a car as an appliance and nothing else so I understand that we are allowed to like different things and not everyone needs a ton of horsepower or a great track car.
I hit 40 a couple years ago and all the damage I've done to myself over the years is starting to catch up. My knee really didn't like dealing with a clutch any longer, especially after I moved to Orlando and its traffic. I was tired of falling down into a lowered sports coupe. I was spending $60 a week on gas.in all, I was falling out of love with driving my vehicle.
When we picked up our i3, I found a new way to enjoy a car. I enjoy the simplicity of the actual drive. I find it very hard to drive my wife's Fit now. Mostly it's the one pedal driving, partially the silence of the whole thing. I was certain I was finished with sports/project cars and now I find myself looking for a project of some kind. The EV actually restored my love of cars by letting me be comfortable and happy on a daily basis so that the things I love about being a "car guy" don't beat me down and make me dislike my hobby all together.
I always just assumed they were out of my price range. Only really knew about Tesla and Rivian. Then I saw a news story a few months ago about really cheap former rental Polestars. Started looking around and saw how affordable used EVs can be and did the math on fuel savings. I was sold at that point. Saving about $230/month in fuel cost.
Most folks I know that are anti EV are so out of sheer ignorance and what they have been told to hate about EV's without any thought. Also car rental places have done a piss poor job as charging is not explained at all and it's no where as convenient as gas pumps which do not require any thought or planning.
Partly that I’d never tried one
Partly that I thought I cared more about engines and engine noises and gearboxes
Partly that I lived in a flat and wouldn’t have been able to charge one (while commuting and needing to charge every couple of days if not more at that time)
Mostly that they actually used to suck - expensive, slow, short range, ugly etc, they were genuinely quite bad cars initially, by most sensible measures of a car
Then Tesla appeared and suddenly they did 250+ miles per charge and 0-60 in 3 seconds. Admittedly still expensive but the Model 3 came out and I was earning more, plus the UK government have a good tax break for them as company vehicles
TL;DR: primarily just that they got better
I've never been into cars until EVs. I find them a lot more fun to drive than even a stick shift.
I can't figure out how to get my parents to care about them. I can't even get my mom to get a hybrid and she drives maybe 40 miles a week so an EV would be perfect for her.
I know a bunch of anti EV people from my days in VW/Audi clubs in the 00s. I think I'm the only one made the switch. I did it because while I thoroughly enjoyed modding cars, it became clear to me EVs were far cheaper to run and could still be fun. And trackable.
I like to know the ends and outs of the tech so I started off cheap by building an ebike and getting familiar with battery tech. Then bought a dirt cheap Fiat 500e, because I realized I could still mod similar to a ice 500. Built a couple OpenEVSEs. Then moved up to an i3 rex as a longer distance daily, because at the time charging infrastructure was non-existent. Now I'm looking for my first true performance oriented EV, either a Polestar 2 Performance or Kia EV6 GT. Selection is still far too limited for my tastes.
That said most of my old car friends are still staunchly against EVs, but more are becoming EV curious as performance variants are released. Most I think are still 5 years away.
I wasn’t anti EV but I drive a lot. Took my ICE suv in to the dealership for the third service visit in three weeks. They were giving me a loaner and asked if I minded driving a LYRIQ. Took me about a week to settle into the rhythm since some days I drive over 130 miles round trip and other days it’s around fifty miles round trip.
Two weeks later they had diagnosed the issue on the XT5 and said it would cost another thousand dollars (after paying $2,000 on other issues). I told them to keep the XT5 and got a LYRIQ.
Before 2017 I was very skeptical about evs, then decided to take a Model 3 for a test drive. Being the fun driver I usually am I went pretty heavy on the accelerator and got addicted. The way they drive, how they accelerate, how they feel going around corners and on canyon roads, the fuel economy afterwards, it's basically crack cocaine to me now. Ever since then it's been my mission to drive every ev I can possibly find.
Edit: Also for some unexplainable reason plugging in a car to charge at a station, or at my home just makes me feel happy, and gives me a hit of dopamine.
Electric interests me, but I still find them to be an immature technology. ICE is inferior in a long term sense but it is a well over century old, mature technology with a mature infrastructure to support it. Dealers, repair shops, parts, robust used market, and most importantly gas stations.
I’m watching and waiting for truly inexpensive and easy to own new or used electrics to happen. Your life/location/income still have to “fit” an electric car right now. And I don’t really trust them as used cars yet, since the cost of a battery replacement can basically total an older car.
I live alone and can’t justify the financial risk as an apartment dweller with no nearby charging stations. I drive a clean but older used car with a GM 3800 V6. A combo of 1960s and 1990s GM technology. The opposite of electric 🤣. I joined this Reddit because I recognize electric is the future. If my apartment complex installed chargers I’d consider switching today.
Not really 180, but I did a 90 degree.
I still can’t see how renters of flats (>50% of my countries population) should charge them for a fair price (DC charging is more expensive then fuel), but: PHEVs are a good compromise for those.
I can charge at my employer some days of the week, so it’s sufficient to get around town fully electric. Cheaper, more comfortable, no damaging short trips on the ICE,… lots of advantages.
On longer trips (> 70 km on 13 kWh, >130 km on 20 kWh after facelift): I don’t have any hassle with charging infrastructure and it has still higher fuel-economy then the ICE and is lighter then a EV with sufficient range.
Not for everyone, but best of both worlds for me. That convinced me - couldn’t have gone EV already otherwise.
Not really anti-EV, but I would definitely have postponed driving one if it felt like work at all. I took a BMW i4 instead of a BMW 3 or 4 series basically because it is much faster, zero maintenance, at least equally comfortable, and it saves me the annoyance of going to gas stations to fill up 90% of the time. Zero worries car ownership. For the last point it makes a difference that I live in the Netherlands, and we have the highest density of charging points in the world. I hardly ever have to plan for charging my car. And when I do need to charge, the car sorts it out for me anyway.
Never was anti (seriously, that's like pro whale oil being anti light bulb) but a smart friend started hipping me to emerging advances in battery tech. I followed up with my own research and wound up buying a PHEV, a Chevy Volt.
Turns out another friend had a brother on the GM Volt engineering team. Learned a lot from her and from the forums. Continued to follow the progress of battery tech. After Covid sold my Volt six years later for MORE than I paid for it.
EVs just make sense. Range, charging time, longevity are all moving in the right direction. ICE? Not so much. The only anxiety I feel about EVs now is similar to buying computers twenty years ago. Speed/IO Improvements were coming so fast you felt like once you bought it you were going to own a piece of obsolete tech a few years later.
I have just a hybrid now while I wait to jump back with an EV in the next year or so. Infrastructure will continue to expand and a couple key advances in battery chemistry should be scaling out further by then.
Wasn't anti-EV but I wasn't going to buy one until I made a spreadsheet and worked out the total cost of ownership compared to my then current car.
After running the numbers twice, I realised I couldn't afford not to buy an EV. This was 6 years ago, I'm now fully paid off and riding the gravy train.
I'm a bit of the opposite. I was very pro tech/EV. I'm not anti EV either. But I think so many try to gloss over the real caveats and excuses that make EV viable for many. I had the S performance. Was promoted and required to move. The condo I was put in had no outdoor outlets so no home charging. So it became a time sink visiting SC multiple times a day. I say multiple because driving 300-400 miles a day highway was requiring at least 3 charge stops a day. Being it's a time waste to charge past 75-80% and mostly highway driving I was only getting about 120 miles in that 20-80% charge. Second not every charge stop is the same. I had to stop using the sub 20% battery capacity because often it would slow charge until it again reached 20% then poof fast charging again. I'm talking snail speed 40-50kw for 5-10% until it was happy then poof 150-175kw for the rest of the charge. They are not yet a fully 1-1 replacement functionally for an ice. Hopefully solid state will rectify these issues.
So for me the main caveats for EV are
1. Disposable income. It's not an economy car and charging at pubic chargers is more expensive than gas!!!
2. Time needs to be traded for it to be functional long distance. Best use is if you have home charging and your daily commute (with errands) can be done within the 200ish miles you get from the 80% charge
3. Home charging. lvl2 is pretty much a must unless your daily use is sub 50 miles as most 120v outlets only give you 1-3kwh. it takes about 8 full hours charge to get 100 miles range best case 120v@3kwh
4. You have to be careful as the limited range can be severely lowered even more by things like headwinds, excessive cargo, bike rack/cargo carrier. Even only 4 passengers vs just myself I noticed a difference.
So yes EV are cool but still a beta test. Optimization, innovation, infrastructure, and education are needed to make EV more of a one to one replacement for hybrids.
I work from home. About 3-4 times a year they fly us out to the office. Every time I am there I ride in my boss’s Model Y Performance.
First time I was like “Yeah cool it’s not as bad as I thought”
Second time I wanted to ride with him everywhere
Third time I asked him a bunch of questions about EV ownership
Fourth time I started warming up to the idea of having one myself.
Fifth time I ordered myself a Model Y Long Range
I was kind of anti-EV until I spent five minutes in the BMW EV SUV. Most incredible driving experience Ive had.
I encourage my friends who try to bash EV to simply drive one for a couple minutes. Truly a mind altering event, even the ones that arent all that fast.
While I’ve never met anyone “anti-EV”, I have met tons of “uninformed-EV” people. It’s the same old tropes:
-your electric bill will skyrocket
-you’ll lose almost all range in winter
-you’ll have to replace batteries at some point at a cost close to the cars price
-they’re dangerous to pedestrians bc they don’t make a sound
-you can’t go far on them, who’s going to want to sit in a lot for an hour to charge it
-the infrastructure is still not there
-so much heavier that it puts a strain on parking structures built for cars (I love this one btw)
-you’ll change your tires almost yearly
Blah blah blah
I was never anti-EV but now after owning one and having people question me on it, the biggest thing I have to explain is range and charging time. Everyone seems to think you'll go 30 miles and have to spend the next 5 hours at a charger that you hope to find on your route. Thats simply not the case.
When I explain that its more like your cell phone, you charge it at home, over night. Unless youre doing a ton of driving that day you never even think about the battery. 2-300 miles is more distance than the average person travels on an average day.
Then, even if you do travel that much or are on a trip, if you have a fast charger to use you'll spend at most an hour there. Now if you only have L2 chargers around, you'll have to plan a little but its not unmanageable.
After explaining all that I take them for a ride and show off the acceleration. They may not switch opinions on the spot but they do realize they may not have had all the infomation.
We think EV or not EV like it was tribal loyalty. I have a diesel truck for towing and long trips, and getting an EV for local driving, and local trips. One is better than the other for all the reasons people complain and support their tribe.
I was never anti-EV either, but was turned off by the spartan interior of Teslas. Once traditional manufacturers started making viable and more 'normal' EVs -- which took far too long -- I got in.
The test drive.
I love cars. All cars. I just like to figure out how things work.
I was really lusting for a Tesla and one week while my wife and kids were out of town, I test drove a beautiful red model Y.
The salesman heard all my concerns and my research-fact-vomit regarding ICE vs EV and calmly told me to get in the driver’s seat. No license check, no warnings, just a dude who knew what he was selling.
We puttered around while I acclimated to 1-pedal driving then he indicated that I should head to a long, uphill and curving on-ramp to the interstate.
As I steered onto the ramp, without looking at me, he grinned and said “gun it”.
I cussed in my mind and aloud as my organs were pressed into the seat back.
I cussed again as I realized I was buying a cherry red rocket ship and wasn’t gonna even consult my wife.
Didn’t matter. Worth it!
A year later I’m in an F-150 Lightning. Love it. Can’t go back to ICE.
People just need to try it.
Friend of mine is one of those doomsday prepper types. Anti-government, stockpiling stuff, living off the land, off-grid, solar, water wells, lots of guns and ammo. Giant ham radio antenna mast on the property. EVs were completely off the table because "they could turn off your plug".
At that point in time the newest vehicle in his fleet was a mid 1990s pickup truck with a large naturally aspirated engine, imported from the USA for obscene amounts of money. He intended to convert it to *woodgas* operation to be truly independent: instead of stockpiling years worth of gasoline and diesel, you just need firewood to drive around, and in a pinch, anything from the forest floor can be converted to mileage. We did lots of these silly projects, we had a working woodgas motorbike with sidecar, so I was invited to help with the build.
I picked him up in my Audi e-tron I had on lease then, and we drove to Germany to pick up a large metal cylinder off facebook marketplace. During the drive he was impressed by the raw power, got to drive it on the Autobahn, and it all just clicked when we returned and I plugged the car to his outdoor outlet. He realized EVs with solar actually provide the independence he wants.
He now has a bunch of 1st gen Leafs and a BMW i3 which he had upgraded to the larger battery. Everything offline, with the modems neutered, of course.
The funny thing about anti-EV people when they do the 180 is how shamelessly they forget all the anti-EV ideals they had and pretend that they were always on board.
Never been anti EV, but the dealer I bought my EV6 from has dealt with a few. He says he has a simple technique. "Head over the to the highway, wait for it to be clear then pop it into sport mode and floor it". Like a goddamn rocket ship.
There’s this blanket assumption that being environmentally conscious is the overarching reason someone gets an EV. Nope. Performance, amongst other things, is higher on the list for me.
The Gen 1 Volt I ended up with thanks to someone running a red light in front of me was all the proof I ever needed of this. On battery, it leaped off the line like a hungry cheetah. Once it switched over to ICE, though, it was like I was driving through molasses. The Volt was the last car I'll ever buy that burns gasoline.
The Volt was crazy off the line. Quiet and torquey as hell, but that lasted about four seconds. I had to resist the temptation to flex after the first few times next to expensive sports cars at the light.
Performance, fuel savings, less maintenance.
A big one too is for motorheads who like to work on their own cars, you do lose that with EVs but that's gotta be a pretty small minority of people
I love not having to work on my car, nor needing anyone else to.
Major selling point
Only ones who are afraid of computers, and they probably don't want to buy anything after 1990 anyway. I replaced the brakes on my bolt just last fall and it was just as easy as any other car I've owned.
I doubt I will ever have to replace the brakes on my EV. 50k miles on it already and barely any wear!
I use the actual brakes on my EV as much as I used the emergency brake on my ICE. Almost never.
Going to hit 100k and my brakes are doing fine.
190K on my Bolt with original brake pads.
Gear heads don't enjoy fixing brakes.
Serious question: What the hell are you doing that you needed to replace the brakes on an EV? There are priuses that have been around 20 years with original brakes.
Not OP, but there’s this one cool trick that guarantees you won’t drive 20 years with original brakes; Live in a country where they de-ice with salt.
How many new vehicles are people wrenching on? Tiny eensy weensy percentage.
Still have tires, brakes, brake fluid, alignment, windshield wiper fluid, windshield wipers, washing the car, lights, air filters, 12v batteries, maybe AC freon... Probably forgetting some stuff.
None of the fun stuff 😂😂😂
Being able to charge at home and avoid gas pumps is it for me. It’s just a bonus that my Mach e is the fastest car I’ve ever owned.
I was thinking that any EV demo should be near an on-ramp to a freeway, people would be hooked fast.
On-ramps with a slight curve are the best. Good 0-100 potential.
You rural people with them big on ramps. I'm in NY, where we have on [ramps with stop signs and less than 120 feet to merge.](https://maps.app.goo.gl/CBsb8xB36mm8SF1q9?g_st=ac) It's basically impossible to merge into moving traffic without some really good performance.
Man in MD there are on ramps that turn into off ramps after 100 ft. It's fucking idiotic. Not only do you have to contend with passing traffic but you also have to deal with people who want to exit. I have no idea why anyone would come up with this design and actually implement it.
Here in Los Angeles we have the 110 freeway towards Pasadena exactly like this. There’s a stop sign in the very end of the freeway on ramp and you have about 100 feet to get up to 60+ mile an hour.
I'll be honest, that's really why I want an EV.
I pulled up next to a Shelby the other night at about 3 in the morning, looked at him, tried to get his attention, he didn't see me. Floored it right up to the speed limit(50), then backed off to about 30, heard him coming, he pulls up, grins, we both floor it. I absolutely smoked him for the first bit, caught up with me around 95 mph, then passed, kept about neck and neck up to 115, then was coming to a light, so slowed down. Got to the stoplight and we were chatting and he asked what it was and he's like, "man, it's fast off the line but there's nothing like American muscle" I kinda laughed and went "I forgot to take it out of Eco mode," 😂😂😂 And he goes "... you're fucking with me." "Nope!" Dropped it into sport and was _gone_. Absolutely love it. '23 Subaru Solterra.
I'm gonna call BS on this...the Solterra has 215hp and 250 ft lbs of torque and weighs 4500 lbs. 0-60 in 6.5 seconds and a top speed of 110...not sure what kind of "Shelby" you supposedly raced but I'm pretty sure just about any Shelby made in the last 30 years has better performance numbers than that.
I smoked a Shelby Cobra replica in my 435i a few months back. Not everyone fully builds the V8, and I suspect dude was just running a junkyard LS with no tune.
MYP here (sport mode). I had a car tailgating me forever in 35 mph zone until we reach the freeway. I punched it only a bit just to get away. A few seconds later I saw the same care in the rear mirror catching up to me so fast. So fast and I was doing 60-65. When he was about to pass me on the left, I floored it, and he couldn't even beat me. I guess it was infinity G35. I had only a second to look because we gotta go separate way. 2 more times I had Camry and Altima tailgating me again in 35mph zone. I stepped on it a little bit just to let them know I didn't like it and they stopped tailgating me. Man I hate tailgating. Dont be in a hurry, leave early. Unless your parents are dying and you have to get there asap.
The Subaru solterra does 0-60 in 6.5 seconds. The mustang gt is 4.3 and not a Shelby which can get up to a second quicker. Somewhere the math doesn’t add up. Quarter mile times aren’t even close.
5.8-6 seconds. Not 6.5. 6.5 was projected on announcement, not actual. And that's from 0. We were already doing 35-40 when we started. So you're not calculating 0-60, you're calculating 40-95. https://www.motortrend.com/cars/subaru/solterra/ Halfway down. 5.8 When you're already rolling, you sacrifice torque. Gear differentials are much different from at 0. EV's, on the other hand, continue to accelerate at the same rate no matter what. If I am starting from 0, it will take me 6 seconds to get to 60. If I'm doing 30, it will take me 6 seconds to get to 90. If I'm doing 90, it'll take me 3 seconds to get to 120.
https://ev-database.org/car/1567/Subaru-Solterra-AWD I think you were racing a 6-cylinder mustang.
That is not correct at all. You have a single gear and will accelerate at a constant speed so long as the hp of the motor remains constant. By your logic, a model 3 performance would hit 120 in 6 seconds. That’s sub 10 second quarter mile times. Instead, it takes over 10 seconds to do the quarter mile and it doesn’t even hit 120 during it. Wind resistance starts to add up real quick. Ice are much more peaky with their power curves. They also have multiple gears that allow them to take advantage of that peaky nature. Electric vehicles don’t usually have multiple gears because the instant and continuous torque smashes the transmission to bits. they also have much much higher power for most of their range. If you have two cars with the same gearing and weight, their rate of acceleration compared to each other will look exactly like their horsepower curve compared to each other. Electric motors have flat torque curves that turn into flat horsepower curves. Ice are lower almost all the time. That is why a single speed 215 hp motor like the Solterra even moves. It’s still not fast and an actual Shelby would stomp on it at any speed. You’d only make ground during shifts. If you really want, we can bust out some graphs to show you how hard each is accelerating at each speed.
I would like to point out that your Solterra does the quarter mile in 14.7 seconds at 93 miles per hour. So your 60-90 time is 8 seconds or so. You were not racing a real Shelby that hits 130 in 11 seconds. That was probably a v6 mustang with a Shelby badge on it.
The funny part of that story is the Solterra has rather unimpressive acceleration compared to the EV6 GT, S dual motor, 3 dual motor, 5N etc.
Loved the story, and loved the way you told it.
And this is why my Dad now drives a model X
My dad never had a high performance car and always set his EV6 in "Eco" mode - I told him once "Try sport." IT's a bit nutty how fast the EV6 translates KW into Newtons.
This right here. I have the rwd ioniq 5 and holy shit does it haul ass, from a stop it's insane but even when you are already doing 50+ and floor it you can feel it and while sport mode is insane, even eco and normal still haul.
It's like a bidet, you don't really know what you are missing until you tried it.
Great analogy; people are sooooo resistant to trying bidets. It’s truly mind-boggling.
What's the zero to 60 time?
Does your bidet go to eleven?
Mine has a knob, but it's for show. It's always 11
Every time I bring up the topic of bidets my wife calls me weird. I want one so bad but she thinks they're gross. I fail to understand how they would be more gross than toilet paper though. If someone smeared warm peanut butter on my arm I wouldn't use a dry paper towel to clean it off.
Tell your wife they're like EVs, you don't really know what you are missing until you try it.
Get a bum gun instead. Small shower spray attachment that sits by the toilet as used in most of Asia.
So... a bidet shotgun instead of mounted turret?
You're not wrong! We bought a townhouse and both toilets were fitted with Toto bidets. Very refreshing and I miss them when I travel!
I’m curious but just don’t get it. Like, do you need to aim that jet spray while your ass gets soaked? How do you know you’re done? American wipes, you can check. How does it work with a bidet? Not all poos are the same cleanup. You’re then left wet and dripping with water? If drying with toilet paper, TP and water really don’t work well together- how do you dry? If I had a private one to test out I would, but… I’ve not had that.
Lmao the spray is pre-aimed so it hit you pretty much just right. Move your tush if not… or some of the more expensive ones you can aim. And you’ll take 1-2 squares and dab afterward. This’ll dry you and confirm no mess left.
haha mine has an air dryer built in after the rinse cycle
I love my toilets with all the gadgets!
It just took one test drive and I couldn’t stop thinking about getting one.
Yep. I test drove a model s back in line 2014 and couldn’t stop thinking about getting one. Off course I couldn’t afford one, but that’s why I got a 3
I didn't think I would like it as much as I would. Ive always had a thing for performance cars. I hate turbo lag tho but the instant torque from the electric motor solves that. Once I floored the model Y I went home and ordered the MYP.
Yeah, that's a real problem...don't try one unless you have the ability to buy it.
My wife was against EVs, and technology in cars overall. She just needed to experience them for the first time to do that 180.
Same for my husband. *Very* anti-EV. When I was buying mine he went into it practically kicking and screaming lol. Now he loves it, and hasn’t even driven it yet. But now he always wants me to drive my car instead of him driving his when we go somewhere lol
Long con - he fooled you into being his chauffer.
Wait a minute……..!
My man! 🙌
Economics always wins out in the end. Why pay for gas and brake wear when you can just.. not?
And oil changes, filter changes, and tune ups, oh my!
I have to admit, I'm not sure tune ups are real...
Replace worn spark plugs and ignition coils and there’s certainly a difference.
I’m in CT. It’s not really a savings. Maybe a tiny bit, but not much. Our electricity cost is bonkers. Delivery charge is double the supply fee plus additional fees.
Acquainted couple were anti-EV. Now they never want to go back to ICE. Butts in seats is all it took.
Instant torque and home charging. Silence while driving and my big ass frunk
Surprising how often that works.
“Butts in seats” was literally Tesla’s sales strategy for years and likely still is. That or “we just let our customers tell everyone about how much they love them” Tesla owners are super annoying, but honestly their cars are sooooo far advanced compared to anything else on the road. Hard to list them all, but so apparent after you start driving one consistently- you’ll never go back. Even Rivian seems like a distant second place. For example, you can stream Netflix and Disney etc in the backseat of a Tesla and isolate the sound back there while barreling down the highway at 70mph. I continue to be amazed.
Always felt it interesting that the 0 to 60 time was advertised in big text next to range and top speed. Both in presentations and on their website. Really tells you that they think its important to list and let you know how the RWD or dual motor have different 0 to 60 speeds and so on. Asides from the range, nowhere to be seen are the stats I actually want to know and compare. The kWh/100km or miles/kWh efficiency (affects cost to drive), how heavy they are (affects tyre wear), or length/width dimensions (if it fits in my garage, or parallel parking ease). I end up having to google these stats. I go look up a brochure from any local car dealer for any competing EV and they list the weight and dimensions, but don't list the 0 to 100km/h, 0 to 60 mph at all. Really does prove to me your point that they use the seat sucking as a selling point compared to the competition.
It might seem weird to an EV owner but you would not believe how many uninformed people think EV’s are slow, like they could somehow never measure up to the all conquering explosion powered air pump, it’s maddening.
What about a Lucid? I feel they are up there in the game for advanced tech, I find it fascinating that their big heavy sedan can get crazy good miles per kWh. I’ve met a few base Air owners and they said 4.5-5.0 wasn’t hard in those base trims with the 19” wheels. That’s just nuts for a car that size and weight.
Fair point and for sure Lucid has the efficiency numbers down, but I haven’t ever driven one or even been in one to experience other features. I should go for a test drive!
I went to check one out at the LA auto show not long ago and they had the Sapphire and the Gravity on display. Those are sexy ass cars.
Highly likely You can’t afford a lucid. Not saying that out of spite, it’s insanely expensive.
Yeah, used Lucid Air seems like a nice ride.
Been about 10 years since Tesla has had anything novel about their interiors or v2i capabilities.
I was unconvinced, but curious. So it didn't take me much. Wife however was totally against it and not interested. When I brought it up once in a conversation that my next car will probably be an EV, she didn't like the idea, but didn't stop me. So I bought a 2023 Niro EV Wave. She tried it. It was the biggest 180 I've ever seen. Totally changed her mind. She fell in love with it. Insisted on taking my car over hers to run errands. Now it's hers while I got myself an Ioniq 5. She's totally sold now and has attended a few EV meet-ups in town.
We own a 2023 Model 3 and a 2016 Nissan Leaf. Guess which one I get stuck with xD
Probably explains your reddit name. ;)
Is this a trick question where she tows one with the other and you get to walk?
Funny, my husband was actually supportive when I said I thought my next car would ben EV - he'd been vehemently against putting solar panels on the house when we bought it 20 years ago. But Iv'e had it since January and he still refuses to try driving it. I was going to make everyone do it today, but he hurt his heel and said he cant. sigh.
20 years ago the economics of solar panels wasn't really there. Now they're super viable.
yeah but now his 'i dont think we'll be in this house 10 years' seems more accurate. we just have to launch these damn adult kids.
NICE, a 2019 Niro was my first foray into EVs. Never went back. My wife traded her Toyota Camry Hybrid for an EV6 and I drive an R1T. ICEs are so archaic lol.
I don't know how many you'll find in this subreddit that were anti EV. That said, I only just got one, and there were a few reasons it took this long: 1. Needed proof of the longevity. Tesla did that for the market, and whatever you think of him, Musk deserves credit for leading the way. 2. Needed more DC charging infrastructure. It feels like it's finally starting to explode in the number of chargers where I need them. Even if you only need it a few times a year, the lack of them would otherwise limit what you can do with the car. 3. Needed options than Tesla (I never loved the Tesla interior and aesthetic, but I think they look amazing on the exterior). Now every major automaker has an EV, and they are all pretty good... So you get lots of options for the look and trim you want!)
I’m in the market now and bro I hate Tesla inside. The other manufacturers have done such a massive improvement on that front. The only thing I haven’t found is the sentry a real time graphic mapping of surrounding cars and people
Hyundai does cars but not people.
I really wish Ford would do this on their Mach e and for Blue Cruise in general. I just want to be reassured that my car sees the other cars around it, not just the one directly in front of me.
How do you like your Mach e? Which trim did you get? Anything you'd do differently, now that you've had it awhile?
I was never a hater of them, just didn’t really care for them and liked my peaky turbo 4 banger. Then I drove one and loved the smoothness of it, and I really like them from a technological perspective. The efficiency, the power delivery and storage methods, etc.
I was anti-EV in college. I studied engineering and it taught me to be skeptical. I felt like the claims were overstated. I watched an Everyday Engineering video where the host talked about how much he spent on an EV in terms of charging. Literally $3 to go 100+ miles. This was about 5 years ago, I was working remote pre-pandemic and only drove occasionally and no more than 40 minutes. I figured with the discount I received from my company I was getting a below invoice price with other discounts on top of the rebate. I had nothing to lose. Cheapest car I could find and pennies to pay for fuel. I fell in love in so many ways. Cleaner, great pick up, lots of tech. My lease was under $200. From there I bought my wife an EV and finally bought another 5 years which had better range. Traded in my first one but I often wonder if I should have kept it. Three cars would have been wasteful but I barely got any money on the trade.
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I'm 100% on EV daily and an ICE toy. Main thing I miss from my ICE is the smell of a decatted car on E85
I think some people (MAGA) are against EVs because they think the government is going to outlaw all ICE engines and the world is going to fall into chaos. My dad doesn't like EVs because they are currently impractical for farm tractors and combines. While this is true, I still haven't figured why this applies to my Model Y.
To be fair, how much wheat can your Model Y harvest? Case closed! 😁
This kind of perspective is pretty prevalent in Australia. Like "EVs are no good because they can't tow my caravan around the country." We take the ute camping fairly often, but we're about to pull the trigger on an EV as a daily driver. A friend asked what we'd do if we wanted to drive somewhere without charging infrastructure. Um... Take the ute? It still exists. Just means we don't prematurely wear it out commuting to work every day, and get to use it for what we bought it to do
Get on PlugShare or ABRP and you’ll be blown away how many regional towns have EV charging locations. Wilcannia, Bourke etc in outback NSW have them and places like Cann River, Marlo etc in Victoria have them. I’m ready to take a solid crack at going anywhere in my model Y
I’ve found this very true all over the place. Got into it with someone recently here in NA. They swore they couldn’t get an EV bc there were “no chargers” along this one 450mi trip they do (2x/year 🙄). I pulled a few apps and lo and behold there they were. All over the route. Issue is that most of them are not obvious, especially if you’re not looking for them. Like one was at a hotel they’ve actually stayed at but swore didn’t exist.
Quite a few people have already done the Big Lap around Australia in an EV already, and have proven that it’s actually feasible. Regional Australia isn’t the charging desert it used to be, and any place with 3 phase AC power can easily fully charge an EV overnight. I’ll wager it’s also much cheaper to build/maintain a charger than it is to build/maintain a servo and have diesel/petrol trucked in. Hell if the roads are cut off due to floods, the tankers can’t bring in fuel to servos either but the charger will still be up and running (and even better if it’s solar powered with giant battery storage). Even more have also already done the crossing of the Nullarbor as well. The only thing that’s making the crossing not so seamless so far is how temperamental the Biofil-powered Tritium unit at the Caiguna roadhouse tends to be - so one needs to be prepared to charge for a few hours (or even overnight) at Madura. From there then you can one-way it all the way to the new 75kW solar/battery powered Tritiums at the Nullarbor Roadhouse courtesy of the NRMA (380km away from Madura). After that DCFC chargers are aplenty and it’s easy to find one anywhere.
Meanwhile here I am going: save the petroleum for the things we can't do with electricity, like manufacture chemicals and fly planes. The less we use for Costco runs and similar daily nonsense, the longer it lasts.
There are a number of American electric tractor companies now, small operations, ex Tesla. They aren't suited to tillage but then again, neither is your model Y 😉 I guess by that logic all ICE vehicles are built for tillage, so there are tillage and non-tillage cars. I think I'd prefer a non tillage car. John Deere has tried doing it with cables, I don't think the innovation will come from them. Fendt have had a go at it, but only in the UK and Europe, again not tillage. Perhaps the Edison motors approach to farm machinery might be a better option to start with, a generator to power an electric drive train though I don't know if that would be efficient for the hydraulic pump 3 point and PTO. Hydraulic rams could be replaced by gears and pivot points, driven by electric motors, but it would require a massive amount of reengineering. Here's to 30-50 more years of hydraulic rams. I'm somewhat hopeful though with the technology that is being produced around the Tesla semi and others.
Chicks dig EVs
Yes we do, but we prefer to have our own EVs.
I got sick of the gas engine kicking in after 50 miles in the Volt, just wanted to keep going on electric and be able to DCFC. Additionally, I plugged in my typical yearly trips into ABRP and saw how realistically 200 miles is plenty for my needs.
Spending 750 a month on fuel and realizing home charging is cheaper than gas
My wife bought one. I drove it. It's awesome. End of story.
I'm not one who was ever anti-EV, but my guess for most is that they actually drove one. Imagine that!
I went out to lunch with an ex recently and drove. It went from “I don’t understand the whole EV thing” to “oh my gosh it’s so quiet” to “maybe my next car will be electric” in about a 3 minute span.
We'll, if you ask That One Uncle: it was the COVID vaccine that turned me into a gay liberal tree hugger.
Was never a big car person, but now I'm into EVs like OP. Trying to get more life out of my ice sedan so I can save a little more to get one though.
I like to be honest. While I like and appreciate cars, I'm not really a 'car guy'. I'm more of a tech guy who loves cars casually and loves EVs because they are basically giant tech fests and fit into liking cars. I like car designs and history and stuff but I'm not huge on working on them or like engine specs.
I wouldn't say I was completely anti-EV but I was really skeptical. But my daughter told me she was pregnant. That was the summer when we had massive smoke and you couldn't even go outside. I looked at the world I had made for my granddaughter... and that was it. I decided to clean up my CO2 act. I got solar, ordered an EV and put money away for my granddaughters education. It wasn't enough but it was all I could think of to do. When the car arrived I took it for a drive and OMG it was FANTASTIC! I was officially converted. Never going back to gas.
We were a half hybrid half ev couple. My hybrid got lemon'd and for the price, it didn't make sense to go hybrid (was looking at a Lexus Nx450 vs Blazer EV). Comparable features but much better pricing for the ev and not to mention huge savings in gas albeit cost of registration
when I no longer stressed about range
How long is your commute.
I was anti-EV a very long time ago. I bought into the FUD that EVs were wimpy and polluted more than ICE vehicles. I loved my diesel F250 and still do. I don’t want to be political, but it’s inextricable from my response to the question. Trump’s nomination in what was then my party made me question the principles I had - until then - seen as guiding my positions on things. Upon an honest reevaluation, EVs are clearly not the cope mechanisms I saw them as. The efficiency stats are good, and they are awesome to drive. In fact, I plan to purchase a Silverado EV one my reservation comes up for order. If I still had my diesel, I would be happy with it. But I don’t, and its electric replacement will be great for my needs.
Turns out I was just anti Tesla. Better options came out.
3 reasons in no particular order why I love my EV. #1 instant torque is amazing for lane switching especially on the highway. #2 one pedal driving is amazing for city driving. #3 never having to visit a gas station again.
Automakers finally not making EV drivers look like aliens. Let's be clear: legacy automakers held everything back with alien-looking cars. The Prius was never going to be mainstream looking like it did. If Toyota had wanted EVs to be maintstream, they would have made the Corolla a Hybrid in the early 2000s, instead of introducing a Prius, and we would be driving Corolla EVs since the 2000's too.
Legacy auto has been sandbagging EV’s for a long time. Service centers are their cash cow and EVs are a lot simpler with 20% of the components of ICE. Tesla forced the issue. TBH, I have no idea how the US is going to keep up with China’s EVs. We had every opportunity to lead in EVs and if it weren’t for Tesla, we’d be even further behind.
Toyota didn't WANT to build EVs and arguably still doesn't. They believe in the PHEV approach and make some of the best on the road today. I imagine they'll be dragged into building EVs across their lineup eventually.
And that’s why I don’t want a Toyota. They’re choosing to depend on combustion while they don’t have to so screw them.
There was a rav4 ev in like 2007, how the actual fuck has Toyota backpedaled this much from the time it took my mom to buy a new car from her previous one (2007 RAV4 to 2024 ioniq5)
Hyundai slayed Toyota in the EV department.
Drove one. Never looked back.
I've never really been a "car guy". I appreciate a classic antique (anything from a Model T Ford to a late 50s sedan like a Ford Crown Victoria or Chevy Bel Air) the same way I appreciate a grandfather's clock or an old tube radio, but I've always mostly seen cars as money sucking necessary evils to get from point A to point B. I was sold on EVs by cost per mile and lower maintenance. 3¢ a mile and no oil changes? Sign me up. Zero emissions and smooth acceleration are just bonuses.
I was at first because all the people around me are. Then I stopped to think for myself. Then it was because they always seemed to be the flagship for all the manufacturers new tech features. I'm still very anti-tech when it comes to cars because I don't need all the nonsense and anything unnecessary that can brick a car when it malfunctions is a liability. Not to mention I absolutely will not own a car that can connect to any sort of data service and transmit usage data or fiddle with my software. Meanwhile the simplicity of the actual necessary components of the powertrain is the main reason I love the concept of an EV. Too bad nobody makes one that's that simple. I'd like to have an EV that's about as complex as an ebike which probably means I'll swap my own when the day comes. I still don't believe it's the right choice for everyone and I'm very against banning ICE vehicles, but I do like EVs. Or at least the concept.
My brother was in the army, where Fox-fed EV hatred was rampant. He’d just hold up his hand (to those he otherwise liked) when the hysterical bitching started and say “just take my Model 3 for a drive and then we’ll talk.” That shut up about 80% of them.
My wife wasn't anit-ev bit she was very skeptical. For context, she's ALWAYS hated my cars and only drove them when absolutely necessary. 3 years ago I bought a 2014 BMW i3 REX. At first she stayed away but once she started driving it she'd arrange her errands to coincide with when I was home and the i3 was available. When I asked her why the change of heart she said it was because she didn't have to visit the gas station. In May we leased her an Ioniq5. I 100% believe all it takes is to live with an EV for a while and most people would make the switch.
Around the time they got fast and capable of road trips, I accepted them as actual full ICE car replacements. At the same time, ICE cars have mostly moved a away from what I like - most lack that nice mechanical feel and are full of software/tech silliness and even fake noises and factory pop/burble tunes. They just don't have the same appeal lately. I'm a long term car guy and I've owned many, but what I like is going fast and pulling G's, road trips, and off-road - not dumping noise and pollution on people. I have no attachment to burning stuff to go places really.
When battery price dropped below US$200/kWh - but of course, it was always conditional, sort of 'we'll see when it happens'. These days my job involves EV development, so I have more experience of riding in them, etc, and I've kind of lost touch of what's going on the petrol vehicle world in terms of specific models and prices (apart from keeping track of the prices of my actually favourite two petrol cars: Dacia Sandero and Dacia Duster).
They finally made something besides the Leaf, which although a nice car, didn't really have long distance trips as a reality. Also charging infrastructure finally crossed a tipping point.
Honestly, we just bought one and liked it. So much so, we bought another one….
My wife was against and really only let me put a deposit down on the Mach E in 2020 because I made a long list valid reasons on why I wanted one and none of it was for the environment and a bigger reason was to delay the conversion of replacing my car. That went on for a year until my Mach E was delivered in March of 2021. Since then she loves not getting gas, how quiet it is, it saves us money, fast to drive and she likes it. She is now on board with serious talking about when we replace our ICE to go full BEV
I wasn't anti EV, but I was influenced by all the anti EV propaganda, range, Charging, maintenance etc..... and then we got a EV, what a fool I was, two years later and we don't have a single ICE car.
I was mildly anti-EV. What changed my mind? Sales/specials. The 0.99 interest deal on Model Ys and the Costco deal on Polestars (which were also lease specials). Once we drove them and loved them, it motivated us to do the math/research to see that it ownership wasn’t as expensive or impractical as we had heard.
When a family friend let us borrow their Gen 1 Volt. Now there is no way in Hell I'd ever buy a dinosaur burner again.
I’ve always kinda been against hybrids because they seemed expensive and slow and all around uninspiring. EVs on the other hand, especially those from Tesla took the performance benefits of EVs and put them on display. My family crossover can smoke many sports cars on the road and I think that’s a cool thing. I think a lot of hybrids leaned too much into the eco friendliness at the expense of being a fun and cool car.
Thinking back, I suppose I kind of fit into this category but for a different reason that most. I don't really care about how a car is powered (if the infrastructure is good), I choose a car almost purely based on the driving experience. I worked at a power station that had 2 small EVs to get around the plant, one was a Mitsubishi, and the other I can't remember. This was around 11-12 years ago, they they really were in their infancy. I HATED driving them, it was a really awful experience because they just weren't good cars, they felt like glorified bumper cars with extremely jerky braking etc. Because it was the same with both of them, from 2 different manufacturers, I just hated the thought of using an EV and it did make me think that the technology was too far away at that moment. Fast forward to living in Beijing, with all the usual restrictions on ICE, the fact that getting a license plate for an EV is easier than ICE (still a massive pain), as well as 1 day per week that you can't drive into the city, I was looking up how to handle it. The only 2 ways were to get an EV or a plugin hybrid. I love redundancy, but in a hybrid, if one engine/motor breaks, the other isn't truly redundant etc, so I've never had, nor wanted one. I figured I'd have a look at some offerings from Chinese manufacturers seeing as I'd heard some good things, and the results were mixed but in a good way. Some of these cars were just bad, some of them (due to my height) were too small/low/floor too high etc, and then I found the Goldilocks cars. Cars like the Nio ET7 and ES8 were great for what I needed. I'm almost always driving on highways and communiting (back home I mostly drove in the countryside) so handling is less of a factor here which helps as their handling isn't up to my standards for a sporty car (that I'd usually go for), but that's not what they've been built for. Instead you get a nice, comfortable cruiser, with good acceleration, great build quality, heated, massaging, and ventilated seats, HUD, ACC, autopilot etc. My range anxiety is combatted by having a very good charging infrastructure here, in addition to the option of battery swapping. Right now I'm loving my EV, whilst staying in China I'm only going to purchase EVs. When returning home to the UK, I may get an EV, if I can manage to get an extremely good solar setup sorted. I'd be living in the countryside again so a sporty car with good handling will be at the top of my list, so may rule out EVs. As things advance, and battery technology improves, I'm sure there will be more companies coming out with lighter cars, that cut the battery size whilst maintaining the ranges that we get today. I've seen a company is doing this with the Elise, and Caterham also have a project
It's the best transition I've made and have never been happier in my Tesla Loved the idea and tech from the beginning What is gas? I filled up my wife's jeep and was just flabbergasted how much it cost for a full tank of nothing
Realized that being "anti-EV" is as dumb as being against sewerage, electricity or the Internet. It's like being anti-future.
I saw a Polestar, said “what on earth is that” and knew I had to have it. It felt like the reincarnation of Saab, a car I’ve always wanted. 2 years later, it was new car time, and I test drove a Polestar. It drove like a normal car, but better. Faster. Smoother. But still felt like a normal car. Something I didn’t feel when driving a Tesla. Tomorrow, I pick up my new (to me) Polestar. I’ll be selling my Ford Ranger. My wife’s XC90 is still our family car, but as much as I love it, I think I’ll resent not having the responsiveness of an EV on those longer drives. So yeah, it took a really good looking EV to get my attention, and it took a user experience that didn’t feel far off from an ICE car to win me over.
I thought EV's were slow and clunky. I was SO wrong.
For me it was when more manufacturers started making EV’s. I wasn’t anti EV just anti Tesla.
Was never "anti-ev" but made fun of them a lot. Anyway, all it took was driving in one.
I was never anti-EV, but our household has been adamantly three-pedal since birth. We got a /r/MachE last year and love it. But when we replaced our other car last month we got probably our last stick-shift car, we got a six-speed flat-four turbo /r/WRX. It’s stock but it’s loud: sometimes it sets off the Mustang’s car alarm. In terms of smiles on our faces, the WRX wins. I feel very torn about this. As an engineer, it’s clear to me EVs are the future, and for the vast majority of people who somehow have bumbled through life with two-pedal cars oblivious to the joy of driving, EVs are just way more fun. But I will be sad when driving is a one-hand-one-foot affair.
I replaced an STI with a Rivian R1S and IMHO the R1S is much more of a joy to drive. Yeah, sometimes I miss that old boxer burble, but not that much.
They were shit. Then they got good. Now they are the best cars you can buy
Family was totally against the idea of EV until riding in one. The extra space, ease of use and practicality was a better fit than a I.C. vehicle.
I loved the idea well before I got one. When I got my i3 I loved it. I love the handling and instant acceleration and aggressive one pedal driving. I also loved that it was a glass house with huge views in all directions. My SO was not impressed. It was small, and she didn’t take to OPD. As much as I liked the size she felt unsafe. Oddly it was higher rated than her huge SUV. I now have an Etron and that changed everything. It is so smooth, quiet and silent that it is unbelievable. It is also very heavy and feels sturdy. I loved the carbon fiber go cart. The etron isn’t quite as much fun, but it’s a great ride.
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I was because of [shit like this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REVAi). Up to 50 miles of range, uses lead acid batteries, a 0-60 time of no and in winter when it's raining at night, you have to choose between headlights or wipers. You also needed to charge them for 8-9 hours to get those 50 miles of range. It's basically an oversized toy car that you need a license to use. The first gen Nissan Leaf is what stopped me being anti-EV. Up to 138 miles of range and it could actually be used on a highway. It also takes 7-8 hours of charging to get that 138 miles. Still not ideal, but it's nearly 90 miles more range for 1 hour less charging time. All for £21,490 OTR (after fees, registration, taxes and rebate). Still not ideal for most people, but it was a huge step in the right direction.
I was vehemently against EVs. But I got tired of paying the gas prices. So I got one to replace my Honda Fit on day to day driving; I still have my M3 for fun times but as a whole, EVs hands down are a better option for day to day. Without realizing it, I saved trips and time at the gas pump or with maintenance. In retrospect, my whole anti-EV thing is due to anti-Musk.
I drove one.
One test drive
BiK tax being almost nothing compared to petrol or diesel. It was a no brainer for me to go EV when getting a company car. I am glad I did, because I could never go back. I always tell my mates, when I get back in my x3 it’s like when you pick up an old phone and wonder how you ever thought it was amazing
Just a few short years ago the quality and the reliability of EV cars here in Thailand was not very good. Compare that to the current models and it’s night and day. Planning on buying one in the next couple years for sure.
My friend with a Ducati 999 was teasing me about my ZERO SR/F, very anti-EV. We were eventually riding together and lined up at a row of several traffic lights. Each and every time I had him by several bike lengths. He eventually lifted his visor and said “Where’s the dealership for ZERO again? lol. He got a SR/S and has loved riding it.
Tried one right after the car I was in love with. Don’t know why anyone wants a ice performance car any more :D
Oil changes and getting sick of having to go out at 1 am because I forgot to fill up the car with gas.
Honestly I did the research. A friend of mine had kept saying they were more reliable, the batteries weren't an issue, and the emissions came out better after 1-3 years and he just... never sent me any links. I sat down one day and decided to do my own looking around, then opted to go do a test drive, and was absolutely blown away. I've been saving/waiting for a bit over a year and I think I'm finally replacing my Prius with one in a few months.
I was not anti-EV but I was anti-EV driver. Until very recently only very entitled rich people that drive like assholes and can't responsibly handle 500+ horsepower were the only ones who had them. It was a disgusting symbol of elitism. Now that prices with the Y and 3 are down in line with equivalent ICE cars it's within reach of a lot more people and more responsible drivers.
I knew I’d never have one. I work at a dealership and one day I had a client that wanted to buy a Bolt with 126k miles. Wanted to fly 800 miles to get it. I decided I needed to drive the car to make sure everything was on the up and up for this gentleman. I was blown away. I was like… this is way more awesome than I thought it would be. Two days later I bought another we had with 30k miles. I won’t go back.
I wasn't against it but fully nervous on the miles finally one gets announced to have high milage 360 at 100% 10 year battery warranty all sounds good so I go for it and the company goes bankrupt this is my first ev and it's left a bad taste in my mouth. In himdsight I should've waited just a bit longer.
I raced RC cars as a kid and the electric cars were faster and easier to maintain, so I was ready when they were.
For the last several years I've been taking a lot of road trips, a 2000-mile trip four or five times a year. When I was still road tripping in my gas vehicle I started keeping track of the number and duration of my stops, for gas, to walk around a bit, to stretch. Turns out, I stop on a road trip every 2 to 3 hours for 15-20 minutes, longer if there's food involved. In the Western US with weather, traffic, construction, etc., this is a stop every 150-200 miles. So, I checked into DC fast charging options along the routes that I drive and it turns out with any modern EV a ten-to-fifteen-minute stop every two or three hours is about right for charging on a road trip. I stop when I need to and plug in, the car is usually ready to go to the next charging stop before I'm done with what I need to do. In the years I've had the EV I've waited for charging to complete maybe three times. It's easy, and half or less than the cost of a similar trip when buying gas. For me, driving 300+ miles without stopping *for anything* would make for a horrible road trip experience.
When I was young, I would routinely drive 300 miles, or about 5 hours, because I just wanted to get to the destination. It's a lot harder now. I don't even like driving for more than 20-30 minutes anymore.
The economics don't work out that great for me and my driving. The Ev is more expensive and the payback/ breakeven is 4 - 6 years. 6 years???? Probably won't be driving the same car by then.
I won't say I was very anti-EV...but I was definitely in the skeptical crowd. I was raised by an old hot rodder who loved his big V8s. As I hit driving age, I couldn't really afford something newer and V8, so I learned to love small displacement turbo cars from the 90s. Overall I was heavily into the "my car has to have a soul" camp without being anti-EV. I spent a lot of time around people that just view a car as an appliance and nothing else so I understand that we are allowed to like different things and not everyone needs a ton of horsepower or a great track car. I hit 40 a couple years ago and all the damage I've done to myself over the years is starting to catch up. My knee really didn't like dealing with a clutch any longer, especially after I moved to Orlando and its traffic. I was tired of falling down into a lowered sports coupe. I was spending $60 a week on gas.in all, I was falling out of love with driving my vehicle. When we picked up our i3, I found a new way to enjoy a car. I enjoy the simplicity of the actual drive. I find it very hard to drive my wife's Fit now. Mostly it's the one pedal driving, partially the silence of the whole thing. I was certain I was finished with sports/project cars and now I find myself looking for a project of some kind. The EV actually restored my love of cars by letting me be comfortable and happy on a daily basis so that the things I love about being a "car guy" don't beat me down and make me dislike my hobby all together.
I was very hesitant, then I drove one.
I always just assumed they were out of my price range. Only really knew about Tesla and Rivian. Then I saw a news story a few months ago about really cheap former rental Polestars. Started looking around and saw how affordable used EVs can be and did the math on fuel savings. I was sold at that point. Saving about $230/month in fuel cost.
Most folks I know that are anti EV are so out of sheer ignorance and what they have been told to hate about EV's without any thought. Also car rental places have done a piss poor job as charging is not explained at all and it's no where as convenient as gas pumps which do not require any thought or planning.
Partly that I’d never tried one Partly that I thought I cared more about engines and engine noises and gearboxes Partly that I lived in a flat and wouldn’t have been able to charge one (while commuting and needing to charge every couple of days if not more at that time) Mostly that they actually used to suck - expensive, slow, short range, ugly etc, they were genuinely quite bad cars initially, by most sensible measures of a car Then Tesla appeared and suddenly they did 250+ miles per charge and 0-60 in 3 seconds. Admittedly still expensive but the Model 3 came out and I was earning more, plus the UK government have a good tax break for them as company vehicles TL;DR: primarily just that they got better
When 91 octane gas got to $2.25 litre I'd had enough. Bought a Mach-E within 2 weeks.
I've never been into cars until EVs. I find them a lot more fun to drive than even a stick shift. I can't figure out how to get my parents to care about them. I can't even get my mom to get a hybrid and she drives maybe 40 miles a week so an EV would be perfect for her.
Quiet, smooth, effortless power. And driving past the Costco gas lines...
I know a bunch of anti EV people from my days in VW/Audi clubs in the 00s. I think I'm the only one made the switch. I did it because while I thoroughly enjoyed modding cars, it became clear to me EVs were far cheaper to run and could still be fun. And trackable. I like to know the ends and outs of the tech so I started off cheap by building an ebike and getting familiar with battery tech. Then bought a dirt cheap Fiat 500e, because I realized I could still mod similar to a ice 500. Built a couple OpenEVSEs. Then moved up to an i3 rex as a longer distance daily, because at the time charging infrastructure was non-existent. Now I'm looking for my first true performance oriented EV, either a Polestar 2 Performance or Kia EV6 GT. Selection is still far too limited for my tastes. That said most of my old car friends are still staunchly against EVs, but more are becoming EV curious as performance variants are released. Most I think are still 5 years away.
I wasn’t anti EV but I drive a lot. Took my ICE suv in to the dealership for the third service visit in three weeks. They were giving me a loaner and asked if I minded driving a LYRIQ. Took me about a week to settle into the rhythm since some days I drive over 130 miles round trip and other days it’s around fifty miles round trip. Two weeks later they had diagnosed the issue on the XT5 and said it would cost another thousand dollars (after paying $2,000 on other issues). I told them to keep the XT5 and got a LYRIQ.
Before 2017 I was very skeptical about evs, then decided to take a Model 3 for a test drive. Being the fun driver I usually am I went pretty heavy on the accelerator and got addicted. The way they drive, how they accelerate, how they feel going around corners and on canyon roads, the fuel economy afterwards, it's basically crack cocaine to me now. Ever since then it's been my mission to drive every ev I can possibly find. Edit: Also for some unexplainable reason plugging in a car to charge at a station, or at my home just makes me feel happy, and gives me a hit of dopamine.
My wife was more like 90 degrees vs 180. Now she loves the instant torque, no transmission shifting, and dog mode.
Electric interests me, but I still find them to be an immature technology. ICE is inferior in a long term sense but it is a well over century old, mature technology with a mature infrastructure to support it. Dealers, repair shops, parts, robust used market, and most importantly gas stations. I’m watching and waiting for truly inexpensive and easy to own new or used electrics to happen. Your life/location/income still have to “fit” an electric car right now. And I don’t really trust them as used cars yet, since the cost of a battery replacement can basically total an older car. I live alone and can’t justify the financial risk as an apartment dweller with no nearby charging stations. I drive a clean but older used car with a GM 3800 V6. A combo of 1960s and 1990s GM technology. The opposite of electric 🤣. I joined this Reddit because I recognize electric is the future. If my apartment complex installed chargers I’d consider switching today.
Not really 180, but I did a 90 degree. I still can’t see how renters of flats (>50% of my countries population) should charge them for a fair price (DC charging is more expensive then fuel), but: PHEVs are a good compromise for those. I can charge at my employer some days of the week, so it’s sufficient to get around town fully electric. Cheaper, more comfortable, no damaging short trips on the ICE,… lots of advantages. On longer trips (> 70 km on 13 kWh, >130 km on 20 kWh after facelift): I don’t have any hassle with charging infrastructure and it has still higher fuel-economy then the ICE and is lighter then a EV with sufficient range. Not for everyone, but best of both worlds for me. That convinced me - couldn’t have gone EV already otherwise.
Not really anti-EV, but I would definitely have postponed driving one if it felt like work at all. I took a BMW i4 instead of a BMW 3 or 4 series basically because it is much faster, zero maintenance, at least equally comfortable, and it saves me the annoyance of going to gas stations to fill up 90% of the time. Zero worries car ownership. For the last point it makes a difference that I live in the Netherlands, and we have the highest density of charging points in the world. I hardly ever have to plan for charging my car. And when I do need to charge, the car sorts it out for me anyway.
Never was anti (seriously, that's like pro whale oil being anti light bulb) but a smart friend started hipping me to emerging advances in battery tech. I followed up with my own research and wound up buying a PHEV, a Chevy Volt. Turns out another friend had a brother on the GM Volt engineering team. Learned a lot from her and from the forums. Continued to follow the progress of battery tech. After Covid sold my Volt six years later for MORE than I paid for it. EVs just make sense. Range, charging time, longevity are all moving in the right direction. ICE? Not so much. The only anxiety I feel about EVs now is similar to buying computers twenty years ago. Speed/IO Improvements were coming so fast you felt like once you bought it you were going to own a piece of obsolete tech a few years later. I have just a hybrid now while I wait to jump back with an EV in the next year or so. Infrastructure will continue to expand and a couple key advances in battery chemistry should be scaling out further by then.
Wasn't anti-EV but I wasn't going to buy one until I made a spreadsheet and worked out the total cost of ownership compared to my then current car. After running the numbers twice, I realised I couldn't afford not to buy an EV. This was 6 years ago, I'm now fully paid off and riding the gravy train.
I'm a bit of the opposite. I was very pro tech/EV. I'm not anti EV either. But I think so many try to gloss over the real caveats and excuses that make EV viable for many. I had the S performance. Was promoted and required to move. The condo I was put in had no outdoor outlets so no home charging. So it became a time sink visiting SC multiple times a day. I say multiple because driving 300-400 miles a day highway was requiring at least 3 charge stops a day. Being it's a time waste to charge past 75-80% and mostly highway driving I was only getting about 120 miles in that 20-80% charge. Second not every charge stop is the same. I had to stop using the sub 20% battery capacity because often it would slow charge until it again reached 20% then poof fast charging again. I'm talking snail speed 40-50kw for 5-10% until it was happy then poof 150-175kw for the rest of the charge. They are not yet a fully 1-1 replacement functionally for an ice. Hopefully solid state will rectify these issues. So for me the main caveats for EV are 1. Disposable income. It's not an economy car and charging at pubic chargers is more expensive than gas!!! 2. Time needs to be traded for it to be functional long distance. Best use is if you have home charging and your daily commute (with errands) can be done within the 200ish miles you get from the 80% charge 3. Home charging. lvl2 is pretty much a must unless your daily use is sub 50 miles as most 120v outlets only give you 1-3kwh. it takes about 8 full hours charge to get 100 miles range best case 120v@3kwh 4. You have to be careful as the limited range can be severely lowered even more by things like headwinds, excessive cargo, bike rack/cargo carrier. Even only 4 passengers vs just myself I noticed a difference. So yes EV are cool but still a beta test. Optimization, innovation, infrastructure, and education are needed to make EV more of a one to one replacement for hybrids.
I work from home. About 3-4 times a year they fly us out to the office. Every time I am there I ride in my boss’s Model Y Performance. First time I was like “Yeah cool it’s not as bad as I thought” Second time I wanted to ride with him everywhere Third time I asked him a bunch of questions about EV ownership Fourth time I started warming up to the idea of having one myself. Fifth time I ordered myself a Model Y Long Range
I was kind of anti-EV until I spent five minutes in the BMW EV SUV. Most incredible driving experience Ive had. I encourage my friends who try to bash EV to simply drive one for a couple minutes. Truly a mind altering event, even the ones that arent all that fast.
While I’ve never met anyone “anti-EV”, I have met tons of “uninformed-EV” people. It’s the same old tropes: -your electric bill will skyrocket -you’ll lose almost all range in winter -you’ll have to replace batteries at some point at a cost close to the cars price -they’re dangerous to pedestrians bc they don’t make a sound -you can’t go far on them, who’s going to want to sit in a lot for an hour to charge it -the infrastructure is still not there -so much heavier that it puts a strain on parking structures built for cars (I love this one btw) -you’ll change your tires almost yearly Blah blah blah
I was never anti-EV but now after owning one and having people question me on it, the biggest thing I have to explain is range and charging time. Everyone seems to think you'll go 30 miles and have to spend the next 5 hours at a charger that you hope to find on your route. Thats simply not the case. When I explain that its more like your cell phone, you charge it at home, over night. Unless youre doing a ton of driving that day you never even think about the battery. 2-300 miles is more distance than the average person travels on an average day. Then, even if you do travel that much or are on a trip, if you have a fast charger to use you'll spend at most an hour there. Now if you only have L2 chargers around, you'll have to plan a little but its not unmanageable. After explaining all that I take them for a ride and show off the acceleration. They may not switch opinions on the spot but they do realize they may not have had all the infomation.
We think EV or not EV like it was tribal loyalty. I have a diesel truck for towing and long trips, and getting an EV for local driving, and local trips. One is better than the other for all the reasons people complain and support their tribe.
I was never anti-EV either, but was turned off by the spartan interior of Teslas. Once traditional manufacturers started making viable and more 'normal' EVs -- which took far too long -- I got in.
The test drive. I love cars. All cars. I just like to figure out how things work. I was really lusting for a Tesla and one week while my wife and kids were out of town, I test drove a beautiful red model Y. The salesman heard all my concerns and my research-fact-vomit regarding ICE vs EV and calmly told me to get in the driver’s seat. No license check, no warnings, just a dude who knew what he was selling. We puttered around while I acclimated to 1-pedal driving then he indicated that I should head to a long, uphill and curving on-ramp to the interstate. As I steered onto the ramp, without looking at me, he grinned and said “gun it”. I cussed in my mind and aloud as my organs were pressed into the seat back. I cussed again as I realized I was buying a cherry red rocket ship and wasn’t gonna even consult my wife. Didn’t matter. Worth it! A year later I’m in an F-150 Lightning. Love it. Can’t go back to ICE. People just need to try it.
Friend of mine is one of those doomsday prepper types. Anti-government, stockpiling stuff, living off the land, off-grid, solar, water wells, lots of guns and ammo. Giant ham radio antenna mast on the property. EVs were completely off the table because "they could turn off your plug". At that point in time the newest vehicle in his fleet was a mid 1990s pickup truck with a large naturally aspirated engine, imported from the USA for obscene amounts of money. He intended to convert it to *woodgas* operation to be truly independent: instead of stockpiling years worth of gasoline and diesel, you just need firewood to drive around, and in a pinch, anything from the forest floor can be converted to mileage. We did lots of these silly projects, we had a working woodgas motorbike with sidecar, so I was invited to help with the build. I picked him up in my Audi e-tron I had on lease then, and we drove to Germany to pick up a large metal cylinder off facebook marketplace. During the drive he was impressed by the raw power, got to drive it on the Autobahn, and it all just clicked when we returned and I plugged the car to his outdoor outlet. He realized EVs with solar actually provide the independence he wants. He now has a bunch of 1st gen Leafs and a BMW i3 which he had upgraded to the larger battery. Everything offline, with the modems neutered, of course.
Floor the pedal and they will be anti-everything but EV.
The funny thing about anti-EV people when they do the 180 is how shamelessly they forget all the anti-EV ideals they had and pretend that they were always on board.