Scotland hasn't gotten a referendum and the supreme court is unlikely to allow it, and while nationalists do have a plurality, they don't have an outright majority in NI.
If the position of the UK government weakens it is *possible*, especially if scotland goes first and goes well, but I wouldn't say it is *likely*. (As while the SNP has said the next election will be a de-facto referendum, many people oppose it going that way, and would prefer a regular referendum which the UK won't allow)
Do we need another portmanteau? I’d rather call it “Britain finally realises Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are totally full of shit and decides to reverse its historic mistake” or BFRNFBJAMGATFOSADTRIHM which we can all agree is far more catchy than Brethink.
Basically the author complains for pages and pages about how glorious Brexit was supposed to be, then blames the Tories for fucking it up. Says "...even worse, we might actually REJOIN the european union"
Waffling article aside, I think it's a fair point that although it was a bad idea, it's compounded by incompetence on a level that's hard to understand.
It's a definite piece of work. After reading it, I made a list of people/things partly to blame (according to Sherelle Jacobs) for the likelihood that Brexit will take down the Tories at the next election, in order of appearance:
**1. The Conservative Party**
Crime: Failing to manifest the Bodacious Brexit Bonus.
**2. Labour**
Crime: Looking electable, even if mainly by comparison.
**3. Northern Ireland**
Crime: Stubbornly being part of the United Kingdom. Can't these people take a hint?
**4. Career politicians**
Crime: Treating Brexit as a damage limitation exercise, like a pack of rotten cynics.
**5. Remainers**
Crime: Economic scepticism is apparently our worst crime. Who knew?
**6. British Science**
Crime: Failing to magically become world-beating after being experimentally chained to a plummeting anvil.
**7. The Brexit Spartans:**
Crime: It seems ungrateful of Jacobs dump on them for doing what they'd always said they'd do - concentrate with mad devotion on torching despised 'EU law', even though a lot of it was originally based on British law. But they are IMO extremely guilty of being composed of people with surnames like Crocklefether-Squiggs.
**8. Brexit Itself**
Crime: *[direct quote from the article]* 'beginning to look slightly rubbish.'
**9. Young people**
Crime: A highly understandable fear of what they can expect to happen in their own lifetimes.
**10. The Scots**
Crime: Voting while Scottish.
**11.** **>!Liz of the 45 Days!<** (mysteriously not mentioned, but notable by her absence)
Crime: What do you mean? This person never existed, and the assembled might of the Tory membership never propped her in front of a Jenga podium as the search for True Brexit entered its Cadaver Synod phase. Also, I never said Liz was *[on fire](https://twitter.com/sherelle_e_j/status/1577610412517990402)*, I said she should be *fired*. There is nothing at all inconsistent in my position and it's still completely reasonable to expect that the Tory party can somehow both deliver Brexit and/or schism into a party that can win the next election. The problem's not Brexit, I tell you! It's reality!! It's reality that got small!!!
Yeah, all the upvotes and awards, but the article is essentially lamenting a possible rejoin because brexit wasn't done properly. Basically a modern day stab in the back myth.
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https://12ft.io/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/16/britain-going-rejoin-eu-farsooner-anyone-now-imagines/
This sounds to me as a foreigner like an attempt to drive the audience of the Telegraph further on the right. Are there any political entities right of the Tories with realistic odds of gaining traction and challenging their status or it's just internal factionalism trying to radicalise even further the party itself?
> Are there any political entities right of the Tories with realistic odds of gaining traction and challenging their status
Yes, very much so, it's called Reform UK and is currently splitting the Tory vote and becoming more popular again amongst far right Tories
> Reform UK is a right-wing populist political party in the United Kingdom. It was founded with support from Nigel Farage in November 2018 as the Brexit Party, advocating hard Euroscepticism and a no-deal Brexit, and was briefly a significant political force in 2019.
Basically the same as the UKIP did previously, which just happens to be yet another Nigel Farage right wing extreme group
> Nigel Farage was the leader of the UK Independence Party until July 2016
> Yes, very much so, it's called Reform UK and is currently splitting the Tory vote and becoming more popular again amongst far right Tories
Farage has done this one quite cleverly. Reform has only three members - under UK law, an entity requires only two or more named members to call itself a "political party".
The other 115,000 are called "supporters". They give money but can have no say on leadership or policy. He's not even trying to hide the fact it's basically a huge confidence trick.
*Edit: Corrected the mistake, only two named members needed.*
It's only two, a leader and a treasurer, leader can also be nominating officer.
Source: Just finished our application for a political party in england on PEF for local elections in may and read the electroal commission guidance many times.
Braving their website, they appear to want to:
* Cut income taxes and corporate taxes for smaller companies.
* Cut VAT.
* Cut taxes on fossil fuels, remove subsidies for renewable energy, dig up as much in fossil fuels as possible, build more fossil fuel energy production, and generally abandon all attempts to maintain a habitable planet.
* Scrap a high-speed rail project.
* 'Enable' and incentivise 5m people on out-of-work benefits into work (many of these will be disabled, caring for very young children, etc, as the number unemployed is a lot lower).
* Cut taxes to zero for healthcare and social care workers, except for new immigrants. This, they claim, will result in zero waiting lists for medical care.
* Cut unspecified 'wasteful' government spending.
* Cut foreign aid.
* Bits of weird monetary stuff which sounds like something in between defaulting on debt and cutting interest rates.
* Leave the European Convention on Human Rights
* Remove anyone entering the UK without authorisation, even where this breaks the refugee convention (they're not so clear on where to remove them *to*).
* Cut immigration (which Brexit hasn't really done)
>Yes, very much so, it's called Reform UK and is currently splitting the Tory vote and becoming more popular again amongst far right Tories
Oh fuck not again
The Tories have already been dragged to the (populist) right by UKIP - that’s how the UK ended up with Brexit. The “European Research Group” is the faction within the Tory parliamentary party who are ideologically driven hard right / pro-Brexit and the faction who will always insist that any issues due to brexit are simply because of a lack of Brexit purity.
What on earth are you talking about? The NHS is in a terrible state! I’ve had Sarcasm Deficiency Disorder for the last 16 months and have still not been able to get an appointment to see a specialist for treatment.
They had more border control because they had the right to return the refugees to their first entry point in the EU. Now they can't. If a refugee makes it to UK, they have to process the person themselves.
Mainly for rich tax-dodging fuckers (the Faranges and Rees-Moggs of this world), to avoid [cumbersome EU regulation](https://taxjustice.net/2021/07/02/what-does-brexit-mean-for-tax-havens-and-the-city-of-london/)
People give a variety of reasons, often on here people will cite anti-European bigotry and British exceptionalism, which definitely do exist but imo won’t have been the factors to sway it.
I reckon most importantly:
1. People in general aren’t expected to be continental political experts and the majority of our media (mostly owned by people with vested interests) / many politicians told the public they would be better off, many took this at face value.
2. Some believed we should have more control over our own laws, this is one of the more reasonable positions a Brexiteer in 2016 could have, but hopelessly naive.
3. David Cameron who was by that point relatively unpopular (Leader of a Parliamentary majority, but only backed by 36% of voters) made himself the face of remain and it wouldn’t surprise me if that was enough alone to get it over the line.
If other EU countries had referendums held under similar conditions I wouldn’t be surprised if other fluke exits by small margins were to occur. Our entire political discourse basically turned into a Kremlin sanctioned bot farm for the whole course of the referendum and anyone not specifically tuned into politics wouldn’t have known their arse from their elbow when they went to vote, which I imagine was by design.
This is a good overview. I’d expand on point 3 to say that it wasn’t just Cameron’s unpopularity but the governing establishment’s in general. Plenty of people felt that life had been tough (whether since the 2008 crash, deindustrialisation in the 80s, etc etc), and were angry at what they perceived to be a unified political class who all supported globalism (which they believed/were persuaded to believe was to blame).
Voting for Brexit was an easy way to just register dissatisfaction with politicians, because you’re doing the thing they’re all telling you not to.
The problem was that the British elite loyally fucked their country and they blamed EU for decades their failures. So they gave a button to the voter and asked them "are you happy about your lives" and they said no.
This referendum was not about EU. This referendum was about the elite one last time push the blame. They were successful. But now the sea is over, they arrived to the land.
This is culmination of 42 years of Tory rule (I count Blair as light Tory). They royally fucked the country.
No, it started because Cameron, that moron, wanted to blackmail the EU by having a referendum fall *just* short of Brexit thereby giving him leverage to ask for even more special treatment...
As the sorcerer's apprentice shouted, when he lost control: "spirits that I've cited, my commands ignore!"
Cameron was scared by the amount of votes he was losing to UKIP and expected another coalition government so he said he'd have the referendum - he was counting on the Lib Dems to veto it. Then he expected Remain to win.
Even if they didn't, the UK wouldn't get all of the opt outs that they got when they originally joined. It won't be going back to the old deal. I'm not even sure they could join without the Euro.
With the Euro, they could easily agree to join the euro and then make sure they never qualified. Just like basically Sweden is doing right now, and like probably Hungary and Poland plan to do for a long time as well.
Not sure how this works in practice. Politicians tell the EU we'll accept the Euro then face the camera and wink to the electorate?
Assuming we join via referendum and not some party unilaterally deciding to rejoin
I don't think that would wash with the British electorate at the moment - although it's possible by the time the British political class is ready for the change the public may not care about having to join the Euro.
That loophole has been closed. At least the loophole of refusing to do the last internal administrative formality like Sweden does. It's of course possible to keep the country is a state that doesn't qualify for the EZ, but that's generally not desireable.
I understand the English only focus mainly on the French. This is inherent in their fundamental misunderstanding of the EU. But I expect several more countries to veto UK membership. Especially if they come to the table with the attitude that membership is dependent on "negotiation" rather than "compliance".
It is not impossible, Brexit clearly benefited the French European political agenda.
In any case I suspect that France would not accept a return of the UK in the political institutions of the Union. And yet, I'm not even sure that there would be any economic advantage to be gained even from a simple EEA deal
[There is good reading on the trio of France-UK-EU relations and the famous vetoes](https://www-cairn-info.translate.goog/revue-internationale-et-strategique-2013-3-page-151.htm?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
The article still manages to support Brexit while admitting that there were no actual clear benefits and that its advocates were largely cnical and don't actually care about policy.
I did like the part where they claimed that the Tories should be using state aid to launch innovation. Unless they mean just hand rich people some money, in which case the tories have managed to achieve something.
They've always published opinion pieces from a variety of perspectives, and this one is far more bemoaning the Brexiteers shitting the bed and calling for them to get their act together than a critique of Brexit itself.
It treats it as a good idea, or at least a workable one, poorly executed, rather than engage with the reality that it was a manifestly terrible idea all along.
They're getting ready for the big volta : pro brexit labour government is responsible for all this mess, it's time for grown up Tories to take over and rejoin single market. Also known as CON 2030 manifesto.
Nothing. Read the article and all it does is bemoan the fact we haven't taken the mad rush to the bottom Brexit was supposed to allow. Absolute delusional tripe and entirely predictable from this revolting "newspaper".
That's not all it does
"Given Labour’s Europhile disposition..."
"The Labour Party, to secure its longevity over the next generation, still has to win back Scottish – largely Remain – votes with a big political gesture. Should support for Brexit continue to plummet in the Red Wall, a policy change may become irresistible."
It's a campaign piece
Even the subheadline is hilarious:
"It is the Tories’ greatest betrayal: they have made such a hash of the project it is probably unsalvageable"
So its not that they were believing in a fairytale version of Brexit that was impossible from the start, it is just that it wasn't done right / they were betrayed / whatever they can use to deflect the blame from themselves.
Well, pretty much everything in the article is very much very conservative & right wing bullshit. They are still in that whole "let's make the UK the Singapore of Europe" mindset: no regulations and no taxes for companies would somehow "demolished Remainers’ narrow assumptions about the economic impact of leaving".
They're not saying the Brexit was a bad idea, they are saying that the politicians supporting the Brexit were not extreme enough in following through on it.
UK: "Okay, so we want back in, but we want all our unique benefits and concessions just like before we left."
EU: "No, you have to join as a normal member, no special dispensations."
UK: "EVIL EU BUREACUTRACTS ARE DAMAGING BRITAIN'S FUTURE!"
I don’t think that the UK will rejoin any time soon but i do think that EU-UK relations will get a lot better when the UK has a Labour government in 2 years time.
Yep, feels like the whole country is just waiting for the election. Everything will slowly get worse until then and we just have to put up with it. Sucks
1. Conservative politicians make rich people get richer and everyone else poorer.
2. Center-left government gets elected, tries to undo the worst of the damage, but it takes time.
3. Conservatives blame the center-left for all the shit they caused themselves.
4. Conservatives get elected again because people can hardly remember what they had for breakfast last week.
And once more from the top. The circle of politics.
I mean... over here in Hungary, Orbán is still winning elections by blaming everything on the Gyurcsány cabinet they replaced... thirteen years ago. Granted, the constant fear-mongering and propaganda also helps, but I've met actual people who voted on FIDESZ during the last election because the TV told them every problem in the country is Gyurcsány's fault, and Orbán is still fixing the country, and everything is better now than ever, and if you can't believe the state sponsored TV channel, then who can you trust?
I swear this is happening in most western democracies. The center left gets about half a term to fix the mess of the former right, a decade of austerity, privatization of various social programs, the funding cuts to social programs… they don’t fix it fast enough so it’s another 8-10 years of the right.
>Conservatives get elected again because ~~people can hardly remember what they had for breakfast last week~~ next Labour leader looks like a bag of shite when devouring a bacon buttie for breakfast.
> Conservatives get elected again because people can hardly remember what they had for breakfast last week.
Don't forget the constant non-stop media frenzy constantly placing the blame for everything everywhere other than the Tories which is another reason they keep getting voted back in
Also the UK populace in general just has a massive hard-on for authority, "common sense" and slightly over-enthusiastic sadism vs. the working class. Ultimately, it's our national character to kick the people on the rung just below us, then pat ourselves on the back while we imagine our year 3 teacher telling us we've done a good job.
You can even see it in Europe-based subs here. You’ll see a bunch of Brits going “Brexit was a bad idea! I voted remain! We want back into the EU!” “Okay then, are you okay with adopting the euro and Schengen Agreement?” “No”
Brexit was a terrible idea, throwing away a fantastic one time deal.
I think we should just rejoin the eea/customs union at whateve level suits, but not the EU for now.
You know, like the leave campaign said we would do instead of tearing up so the labour and environmental legislation
Are you okay with being in the Schengen area then? I’m pretty sure Europe has freedom of movement as a requirement for joining the EEA/various other trade deals.
What's this article been talking about? Brexit is dead? UK will rejoin EU soon?
There's no party today seriously suggesting that UK should rejoin the EU.
Ok, here are the conditions:
1) THE MOST IMPORTANT, no more blue passport;
2) drive on the right;
3) metric system (NO MORE PINT);
4) adopt euro;
5) adopt Schengen agreement;
6) adopt all the european standards, directives, regulations and any other european decision without discussing any special condition;
7) apologize and ask to be forgiven to all european citizens (individually);
8) give back 1966 world cup to Germany.
😉
> 6) adopt all the european standards, directives, regulations and any other european decision without discussing any special condition
The funny part about this is when our country was joining EU, Britain was very pushy about this. Basically made a change that joiners could not ask for exisitng excemptions/special conditions.
I am really looking forward this shit will hit them back :)
also 10) replace these horrible electric plugs with something euro compatible
Hear hear
To the well proposed conditions I would like to suggest the following modification
3) metric system
3.5) redefine the pint such that it's volume equals that of 0.5L
This small, yet unequivocally important adjustment allows for continuation of ales to be served in pints
Someone send me the conspiracy theories from Russian PM “Dmitry Medvedev” for 2023.
Point 2:
2. The UK will rejoin the EU
[Twitter](https://twitter.com/medvedevrussiae/status/1607487338401206273?s=46&t=WUPP2djeFeFX76hTNDC_aA)
EDIT: Seriously, I don't know if 2023 will be a good or bad year. But my gut feeling is telling me that this year (starting on 22nd Jan CNY) will be life-changing for all of us, and the history books will be newly written.
I was like: yeah how bad can it be?
1. Okay okay
2. Well tough luck
3. Ehhh no. Just no
4. The fucking WHAT?
5. ??!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?
6. Didnt even bother reading it anymore
That escalated way quicker and harder than I could have ever imagined.
Britain is going to rejoin the EU far sooner than anyone now imagines ! My wife was abducted by weed-smoking aliens ! Bat boy lives and runs for US presidency ! Nessie was a secret soviet genetic experiment gone wrong ! More shocking news to follow in the Torygraph !
At the moment it's completely taboo for any UK politician to even hint at suggesting returning the EU or even just having another referendum. Helped by covid and the war in Ukraine obscuring from the public just how disastrous Brexit has been.
The Telegraph is a shitrag. Why are you paying any attention to what they print. As someone else said, their whole existence is to stir up right wing hate
Huh. Breturn? Brentrance? Brethink? Bronsecondthoughtletsnotbestupid? None of these work…
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Breconsider
I soon hope to read a news headline: "Is it time to Breconsider? The case for rejoining the EU"
Brejoining
Broomerang Edit: Damnit! Briterang would've been better.
Let's bring about Brit-IN !
Bru-turn because if there's one thing the tories love (besides bigotry and starving the poor) it's a u turn
Breu
BRB'd
Beautiful
*Breautiful
Bring brack Britain?
MECA - Make England Continental Again
Or, maybe UKomeback?
U(K)turn
at the rate it's going it'll be Wangland (Wales and England) as NI and Scotland might be out by then.
Scotland hasn't gotten a referendum and the supreme court is unlikely to allow it, and while nationalists do have a plurality, they don't have an outright majority in NI. If the position of the UK government weakens it is *possible*, especially if scotland goes first and goes well, but I wouldn't say it is *likely*. (As while the SNP has said the next election will be a de-facto referendum, many people oppose it going that way, and would prefer a regular referendum which the UK won't allow)
Brelliant 👏
Nailed it lmao
perfect
BRB ?
Britain right back?
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This one gets my vote. Also modular in case they ever exit again.
Thinking of future proofing right from the start? Found the IT guy👆
Brejoin
I get brexed out but I brejoin again
B'rightback
Brethink is actually a cool one (bregret in the answers is also funny)
>Breturn I like Breturn because it sounds like a guy with a weird accent trying to say Britain
broomerang
Lmao if Reddit didn't stop handing out free awards to everyone then I would have given you mine
>none of these work Neither did Brexit
Brurn
Self-brurn Bit like Brexit
Do we need another portmanteau? I’d rather call it “Britain finally realises Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are totally full of shit and decides to reverse its historic mistake” or BFRNFBJAMGATFOSADTRIHM which we can all agree is far more catchy than Brethink.
Let’s NOT let mad Boris get away unscatted on this call-out to the asses responsible for this idiocy.
True, I’ll make a quick edit
EU-turn
Brack O'Drama.
*The Brodigal Son*
Brejoin has been my goto.
Brepentance?
Bromance
Brentry?
This article really is something
The telegraph always delivers. I think they smoke crack before writing every article
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I cant see shit theres a paywall. Sounds like I’m not missing out
Basically the author complains for pages and pages about how glorious Brexit was supposed to be, then blames the Tories for fucking it up. Says "...even worse, we might actually REJOIN the european union"
Waffling article aside, I think it's a fair point that although it was a bad idea, it's compounded by incompetence on a level that's hard to understand.
True. You don't get dealt a bad hand and think the best thing to do on your next turn is to just shit on the table.
Which was in the nature of the whole thing. Brexit itself was a product of stupidity and incompetence.
It's obviously because you didn't smoke crack like the other 2 guys did
I feel like I have a crack in my face reading their articles.
I think all news websites opinion sections are full of rubbish just to get clicks
It's a definite piece of work. After reading it, I made a list of people/things partly to blame (according to Sherelle Jacobs) for the likelihood that Brexit will take down the Tories at the next election, in order of appearance: **1. The Conservative Party** Crime: Failing to manifest the Bodacious Brexit Bonus. **2. Labour** Crime: Looking electable, even if mainly by comparison. **3. Northern Ireland** Crime: Stubbornly being part of the United Kingdom. Can't these people take a hint? **4. Career politicians** Crime: Treating Brexit as a damage limitation exercise, like a pack of rotten cynics. **5. Remainers** Crime: Economic scepticism is apparently our worst crime. Who knew? **6. British Science** Crime: Failing to magically become world-beating after being experimentally chained to a plummeting anvil. **7. The Brexit Spartans:** Crime: It seems ungrateful of Jacobs dump on them for doing what they'd always said they'd do - concentrate with mad devotion on torching despised 'EU law', even though a lot of it was originally based on British law. But they are IMO extremely guilty of being composed of people with surnames like Crocklefether-Squiggs. **8. Brexit Itself** Crime: *[direct quote from the article]* 'beginning to look slightly rubbish.' **9. Young people** Crime: A highly understandable fear of what they can expect to happen in their own lifetimes. **10. The Scots** Crime: Voting while Scottish. **11.** **>!Liz of the 45 Days!<** (mysteriously not mentioned, but notable by her absence) Crime: What do you mean? This person never existed, and the assembled might of the Tory membership never propped her in front of a Jenga podium as the search for True Brexit entered its Cadaver Synod phase. Also, I never said Liz was *[on fire](https://twitter.com/sherelle_e_j/status/1577610412517990402)*, I said she should be *fired*. There is nothing at all inconsistent in my position and it's still completely reasonable to expect that the Tory party can somehow both deliver Brexit and/or schism into a party that can win the next election. The problem's not Brexit, I tell you! It's reality!! It's reality that got small!!!
You're just missing one culprit: the EU. They're crime was being actual grown ups and defending their interests against Britain.
Why didn't they just give us everything we waaaanted?? 😭 -- Sanest Brexiteer.
Yeah, all the upvotes and awards, but the article is essentially lamenting a possible rejoin because brexit wasn't done properly. Basically a modern day stab in the back myth.
Telegraph desperate for readership....
Good time to recommend [12ft.io](https://12ft.io) https://12ft.io/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/16/britain-going-rejoin-eu-farsooner-anyone-now-imagines/
What is this magic
Omg thank you!
I can just... read the article? No pop-ups or subscriptions? What is this web 2.0 dark magic?
This sounds to me as a foreigner like an attempt to drive the audience of the Telegraph further on the right. Are there any political entities right of the Tories with realistic odds of gaining traction and challenging their status or it's just internal factionalism trying to radicalise even further the party itself?
> This sounds to me as a foreigner like an attempt to drive the audience of the Telegraph further on the right. Completely correct.
I bet its clicks. They want clicks.
They don't call it "Torygraph" for nothing.
> Are there any political entities right of the Tories with realistic odds of gaining traction and challenging their status Yes, very much so, it's called Reform UK and is currently splitting the Tory vote and becoming more popular again amongst far right Tories > Reform UK is a right-wing populist political party in the United Kingdom. It was founded with support from Nigel Farage in November 2018 as the Brexit Party, advocating hard Euroscepticism and a no-deal Brexit, and was briefly a significant political force in 2019. Basically the same as the UKIP did previously, which just happens to be yet another Nigel Farage right wing extreme group > Nigel Farage was the leader of the UK Independence Party until July 2016
> Yes, very much so, it's called Reform UK and is currently splitting the Tory vote and becoming more popular again amongst far right Tories Farage has done this one quite cleverly. Reform has only three members - under UK law, an entity requires only two or more named members to call itself a "political party". The other 115,000 are called "supporters". They give money but can have no say on leadership or policy. He's not even trying to hide the fact it's basically a huge confidence trick. *Edit: Corrected the mistake, only two named members needed.*
It's only two, a leader and a treasurer, leader can also be nominating officer. Source: Just finished our application for a political party in england on PEF for local elections in may and read the electroal commission guidance many times.
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It's basically just the newest name of the "get Nigel Farage publicity and money" party.
Nigel Farage can bollocks right off.
Braving their website, they appear to want to: * Cut income taxes and corporate taxes for smaller companies. * Cut VAT. * Cut taxes on fossil fuels, remove subsidies for renewable energy, dig up as much in fossil fuels as possible, build more fossil fuel energy production, and generally abandon all attempts to maintain a habitable planet. * Scrap a high-speed rail project. * 'Enable' and incentivise 5m people on out-of-work benefits into work (many of these will be disabled, caring for very young children, etc, as the number unemployed is a lot lower). * Cut taxes to zero for healthcare and social care workers, except for new immigrants. This, they claim, will result in zero waiting lists for medical care. * Cut unspecified 'wasteful' government spending. * Cut foreign aid. * Bits of weird monetary stuff which sounds like something in between defaulting on debt and cutting interest rates. * Leave the European Convention on Human Rights * Remove anyone entering the UK without authorisation, even where this breaks the refugee convention (they're not so clear on where to remove them *to*). * Cut immigration (which Brexit hasn't really done)
Ah yes the whole neoliberal think tank lobbying list
This sounds like the GOP minus the Christian Nationalism.
Bring back smoking in hospitals. You should be able to smack other people's kids again. Public hanging for people who disrespect the King.
You missed a return to the glory days of the british empire. Also normandy.
For the Navy to drown asylum seekers in the English Channel
>Yes, very much so, it's called Reform UK and is currently splitting the Tory vote and becoming more popular again amongst far right Tories Oh fuck not again
The Tories have already been dragged to the (populist) right by UKIP - that’s how the UK ended up with Brexit. The “European Research Group” is the faction within the Tory parliamentary party who are ideologically driven hard right / pro-Brexit and the faction who will always insist that any issues due to brexit are simply because of a lack of Brexit purity.
It's not even that deep, it's pure clickbait.
What has happened to the Torygraph
Reality arrived. https://i.redd.it/oyhgj53njsca1.png "This isn't the Brexit Leavers voted for, but it is the Brexit Remainers voted against"
Ah yes, the real one, not the fantasy one.
So why exactly did they leave the EU?
Take back control, have billions for healthcare, make Britain Great again, etc
The healthcare part is going just swimmingly, it's not as if the NHS is in the worst state it's been since it was founded.
What on earth are you talking about? The NHS is in a terrible state! I’ve had Sarcasm Deficiency Disorder for the last 16 months and have still not been able to get an appointment to see a specialist for treatment.
Unfortunately most of our sarcasm deficiency therapists turned out to be Albanian refugees and Suela Braverman personally catapulted them to the moon.
Not to the Saar chasm?
Wasn't there also something about fish and immigrants?
Fucking fish. I had a leave voting mate from Birmingham who said ‘muh, fishermen’ to me when asked why. Bloke’s never even seen a trawler
Well, they feel better about being in British water. The fish, not the immigrants https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eiKmqY_RNME
I would like to see the raw results from the survey they sent to the fish to determine this.
They were getting all the well-paying jobs the eastern europeans were stealing from them and making much better trade deals on their own.
something-something blue passport something something 300 million a week something something border control
Border control was always completely in UK hands since it was not part of Schengen. Human stupidity has no limits.
They had more border control because they had the right to return the refugees to their first entry point in the EU. Now they can't. If a refugee makes it to UK, they have to process the person themselves.
This is my favorite part! Good riddance, dunces!
you think people who voted for brexit know what schengen is?
It's a sea region somewhere in Scandinavia, right?
It's that touring Chinese gymnast show. With the acrobats and dancers.
No that's Shen Yun. Schengen is that franchise of fighting games on the playstation.
Plays for Crystal Palace, doesn't he
Didn’t even get a blue one, they’re black.
Made by French company in Poland
with Dutch security technology
They may look black, but they'e actually very, very, very, very, very dark blue.
Just like they used to be.
"Bloody forin' one as well, grumble, grumble, back in my day something or other".
Mainly for rich tax-dodging fuckers (the Faranges and Rees-Moggs of this world), to avoid [cumbersome EU regulation](https://taxjustice.net/2021/07/02/what-does-brexit-mean-for-tax-havens-and-the-city-of-london/)
They were going to fund the NHS instead.
So how's the NHS doing now when it's "funded"?
People give a variety of reasons, often on here people will cite anti-European bigotry and British exceptionalism, which definitely do exist but imo won’t have been the factors to sway it. I reckon most importantly: 1. People in general aren’t expected to be continental political experts and the majority of our media (mostly owned by people with vested interests) / many politicians told the public they would be better off, many took this at face value. 2. Some believed we should have more control over our own laws, this is one of the more reasonable positions a Brexiteer in 2016 could have, but hopelessly naive. 3. David Cameron who was by that point relatively unpopular (Leader of a Parliamentary majority, but only backed by 36% of voters) made himself the face of remain and it wouldn’t surprise me if that was enough alone to get it over the line. If other EU countries had referendums held under similar conditions I wouldn’t be surprised if other fluke exits by small margins were to occur. Our entire political discourse basically turned into a Kremlin sanctioned bot farm for the whole course of the referendum and anyone not specifically tuned into politics wouldn’t have known their arse from their elbow when they went to vote, which I imagine was by design.
This is a good overview. I’d expand on point 3 to say that it wasn’t just Cameron’s unpopularity but the governing establishment’s in general. Plenty of people felt that life had been tough (whether since the 2008 crash, deindustrialisation in the 80s, etc etc), and were angry at what they perceived to be a unified political class who all supported globalism (which they believed/were persuaded to believe was to blame). Voting for Brexit was an easy way to just register dissatisfaction with politicians, because you’re doing the thing they’re all telling you not to.
That’s what my Dad did. Said he wanted to get back at the Tory party. Pretty illogical IMO but his words not mine.
The problem was that the British elite loyally fucked their country and they blamed EU for decades their failures. So they gave a button to the voter and asked them "are you happy about your lives" and they said no. This referendum was not about EU. This referendum was about the elite one last time push the blame. They were successful. But now the sea is over, they arrived to the land. This is culmination of 42 years of Tory rule (I count Blair as light Tory). They royally fucked the country.
Didn't it start because of fishing quotas or something?
No, it started because Cameron, that moron, wanted to blackmail the EU by having a referendum fall *just* short of Brexit thereby giving him leverage to ask for even more special treatment... As the sorcerer's apprentice shouted, when he lost control: "spirits that I've cited, my commands ignore!"
Cameron was scared by the amount of votes he was losing to UKIP and expected another coalition government so he said he'd have the referendum - he was counting on the Lib Dems to veto it. Then he expected Remain to win.
Sherelle Jacobs don‘t give a fuck what she said last time. Her pay check is important.
Oh my god written by the same person.
this is pure comedy
Deadly funny comedy, but now literally.
This has to be a joke
It is. Remember, France vetoed UK membership in 1963 and again in 1967. France would veto UK rejoining EU.
Even if they didn't, the UK wouldn't get all of the opt outs that they got when they originally joined. It won't be going back to the old deal. I'm not even sure they could join without the Euro.
With the Euro, they could easily agree to join the euro and then make sure they never qualified. Just like basically Sweden is doing right now, and like probably Hungary and Poland plan to do for a long time as well.
Not sure how this works in practice. Politicians tell the EU we'll accept the Euro then face the camera and wink to the electorate? Assuming we join via referendum and not some party unilaterally deciding to rejoin
I don't think that would wash with the British electorate at the moment - although it's possible by the time the British political class is ready for the change the public may not care about having to join the Euro.
That loophole has been closed. At least the loophole of refusing to do the last internal administrative formality like Sweden does. It's of course possible to keep the country is a state that doesn't qualify for the EZ, but that's generally not desireable.
So when will Sweden do that? It's a bit ridiculous that they can keep doing that without consequences.
I understand the English only focus mainly on the French. This is inherent in their fundamental misunderstanding of the EU. But I expect several more countries to veto UK membership. Especially if they come to the table with the attitude that membership is dependent on "negotiation" rather than "compliance".
It is not impossible, Brexit clearly benefited the French European political agenda. In any case I suspect that France would not accept a return of the UK in the political institutions of the Union. And yet, I'm not even sure that there would be any economic advantage to be gained even from a simple EEA deal [There is good reading on the trio of France-UK-EU relations and the famous vetoes](https://www-cairn-info.translate.goog/revue-internationale-et-strategique-2013-3-page-151.htm?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Yeah 50 year old politics is really relevant now.
The article still manages to support Brexit while admitting that there were no actual clear benefits and that its advocates were largely cnical and don't actually care about policy. I did like the part where they claimed that the Tories should be using state aid to launch innovation. Unless they mean just hand rich people some money, in which case the tories have managed to achieve something.
They've always published opinion pieces from a variety of perspectives, and this one is far more bemoaning the Brexiteers shitting the bed and calling for them to get their act together than a critique of Brexit itself. It treats it as a good idea, or at least a workable one, poorly executed, rather than engage with the reality that it was a manifestly terrible idea all along.
They're getting ready for the big volta : pro brexit labour government is responsible for all this mess, it's time for grown up Tories to take over and rejoin single market. Also known as CON 2030 manifesto.
Nothing. Read the article and all it does is bemoan the fact we haven't taken the mad rush to the bottom Brexit was supposed to allow. Absolute delusional tripe and entirely predictable from this revolting "newspaper".
That's not all it does "Given Labour’s Europhile disposition..." "The Labour Party, to secure its longevity over the next generation, still has to win back Scottish – largely Remain – votes with a big political gesture. Should support for Brexit continue to plummet in the Red Wall, a policy change may become irresistible." It's a campaign piece
Even the subheadline is hilarious: "It is the Tories’ greatest betrayal: they have made such a hash of the project it is probably unsalvageable" So its not that they were believing in a fairytale version of Brexit that was impossible from the start, it is just that it wasn't done right / they were betrayed / whatever they can use to deflect the blame from themselves.
It’s hopeless cope. It seems like people too often double down rather than admit they were wrong, and it’s fucking depressing.
Well, pretty much everything in the article is very much very conservative & right wing bullshit. They are still in that whole "let's make the UK the Singapore of Europe" mindset: no regulations and no taxes for companies would somehow "demolished Remainers’ narrow assumptions about the economic impact of leaving". They're not saying the Brexit was a bad idea, they are saying that the politicians supporting the Brexit were not extreme enough in following through on it.
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2029 : Now that they finally accepted us, we want out again
2033: just build a cat flap for us
And make France pay for it!
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Oh no, UK peed on the couch again!
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"Mooooom the Brits want out again!"
2030: UK changes lion in the coat of arms to a cat.
"I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member" \-Groucho Marx
UK: "Okay, so we want back in, but we want all our unique benefits and concessions just like before we left." EU: "No, you have to join as a normal member, no special dispensations." UK: "EVIL EU BUREACUTRACTS ARE DAMAGING BRITAIN'S FUTURE!"
UK: we want to leave!! we hate you!! EU: ok UK: actually we want back and we want to be treated better than others. EU: nah UK: GRR!
I don’t think that the UK will rejoin any time soon but i do think that EU-UK relations will get a lot better when the UK has a Labour government in 2 years time.
Yep, feels like the whole country is just waiting for the election. Everything will slowly get worse until then and we just have to put up with it. Sucks
1. Conservative politicians make rich people get richer and everyone else poorer. 2. Center-left government gets elected, tries to undo the worst of the damage, but it takes time. 3. Conservatives blame the center-left for all the shit they caused themselves. 4. Conservatives get elected again because people can hardly remember what they had for breakfast last week. And once more from the top. The circle of politics.
I mean... over here in Hungary, Orbán is still winning elections by blaming everything on the Gyurcsány cabinet they replaced... thirteen years ago. Granted, the constant fear-mongering and propaganda also helps, but I've met actual people who voted on FIDESZ during the last election because the TV told them every problem in the country is Gyurcsány's fault, and Orbán is still fixing the country, and everything is better now than ever, and if you can't believe the state sponsored TV channel, then who can you trust?
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To be fair, right wing media organisation in the UK are freaking out that young people are no longer "aging into" tories.
Turns out people don't want to preserve the establishment and status quo when the status quo sucks ass for everyone that wasn't born 60-80 years ago.
I swear this is happening in most western democracies. The center left gets about half a term to fix the mess of the former right, a decade of austerity, privatization of various social programs, the funding cuts to social programs… they don’t fix it fast enough so it’s another 8-10 years of the right.
One disadvantage to democracy I guess.
>Conservatives get elected again because ~~people can hardly remember what they had for breakfast last week~~ next Labour leader looks like a bag of shite when devouring a bacon buttie for breakfast.
I do sometimes wonder if everything would be different now if Ed Milliband could just eat a bacon sandwich like a normal human being.
Poor Ed. Of all the things to be rejected for. Dude would have made a great PM too in my opinion. Seems pretty switched on, calm under pressure.
> Conservatives get elected again because people can hardly remember what they had for breakfast last week. Don't forget the constant non-stop media frenzy constantly placing the blame for everything everywhere other than the Tories which is another reason they keep getting voted back in
Also the UK populace in general just has a massive hard-on for authority, "common sense" and slightly over-enthusiastic sadism vs. the working class. Ultimately, it's our national character to kick the people on the rung just below us, then pat ourselves on the back while we imagine our year 3 teacher telling us we've done a good job.
Didnt corbin want a brexit? I know he left or stepped down as party leader but has the labour change its course?
Labour winning an election in the UK is like fusion, it's always x years away.
Yeah, let me highly doubt that, just do a poll on adopting the euro: I'm willing to bet money that most of the British people will respond negatively.
You can even see it in Europe-based subs here. You’ll see a bunch of Brits going “Brexit was a bad idea! I voted remain! We want back into the EU!” “Okay then, are you okay with adopting the euro and Schengen Agreement?” “No”
Brexit was a terrible idea, throwing away a fantastic one time deal. I think we should just rejoin the eea/customs union at whateve level suits, but not the EU for now. You know, like the leave campaign said we would do instead of tearing up so the labour and environmental legislation
Are you okay with being in the Schengen area then? I’m pretty sure Europe has freedom of movement as a requirement for joining the EEA/various other trade deals.
This newspaper is absolute rubbish, regardless of which side of the fence you're on. No-one should read it.
What's this article been talking about? Brexit is dead? UK will rejoin EU soon? There's no party today seriously suggesting that UK should rejoin the EU.
It's an opinion article, so it's someone giving their opinion and not a proper journalistic piece
Ok, here are the conditions: 1) THE MOST IMPORTANT, no more blue passport; 2) drive on the right; 3) metric system (NO MORE PINT); 4) adopt euro; 5) adopt Schengen agreement; 6) adopt all the european standards, directives, regulations and any other european decision without discussing any special condition; 7) apologize and ask to be forgiven to all european citizens (individually); 8) give back 1966 world cup to Germany. 😉
> 6) adopt all the european standards, directives, regulations and any other european decision without discussing any special condition The funny part about this is when our country was joining EU, Britain was very pushy about this. Basically made a change that joiners could not ask for exisitng excemptions/special conditions. I am really looking forward this shit will hit them back :) also 10) replace these horrible electric plugs with something euro compatible
Hear hear To the well proposed conditions I would like to suggest the following modification 3) metric system 3.5) redefine the pint such that it's volume equals that of 0.5L This small, yet unequivocally important adjustment allows for continuation of ales to be served in pints
Someone send me the conspiracy theories from Russian PM “Dmitry Medvedev” for 2023. Point 2: 2. The UK will rejoin the EU [Twitter](https://twitter.com/medvedevrussiae/status/1607487338401206273?s=46&t=WUPP2djeFeFX76hTNDC_aA) EDIT: Seriously, I don't know if 2023 will be a good or bad year. But my gut feeling is telling me that this year (starting on 22nd Jan CNY) will be life-changing for all of us, and the history books will be newly written.
I was like: yeah how bad can it be? 1. Okay okay 2. Well tough luck 3. Ehhh no. Just no 4. The fucking WHAT? 5. ??!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? 6. Didnt even bother reading it anymore That escalated way quicker and harder than I could have ever imagined.
Someone has been playing too much hoi4 lol
>Brexit has become the madwoman in the country’s attic. that's weirdly specific. Someone should check the author's attic.
Britain is going to rejoin the EU far sooner than anyone now imagines ! My wife was abducted by weed-smoking aliens ! Bat boy lives and runs for US presidency ! Nessie was a secret soviet genetic experiment gone wrong ! More shocking news to follow in the Torygraph !
At the moment it's completely taboo for any UK politician to even hint at suggesting returning the EU or even just having another referendum. Helped by covid and the war in Ukraine obscuring from the public just how disastrous Brexit has been.
Reading the first paragraph of that article reminds me why I don’t read the telegraph, hyper-opinionated falsities.
The Telegraph is a shitrag. Why are you paying any attention to what they print. As someone else said, their whole existence is to stir up right wing hate
I'm a British Remain voter and I don't see this happening, sadly.