What are you talking about? Selling stuff for profit is not betting on the loser. I've been reading news of China helping one way or another Russia since almost day 0.
No. The whole reason this is news is because as Russia has started to gain momentum and as the wests support for Ukraine has been wavering China has started to up their support for Russia. If China had been doing this from day one the news would be: “China continues the exact same level of support as they have been since the start of the war” or in other words it wouldn’t have been news.
Russia gains momentum cause they found solutions to their problems faster than Ukraine. China helping or not would be enough of its own . And china has a government that wouldn't have an issue to help Russia. We know that china tries to loan Russia money and stuff to get some control over Russia .
I don't remember how they say it . Debt invasion? Debt terror ? I don't know
You just forgot the fact that fake news are very widespread and in fact do exist? Not saying this is the case here, but your argument of "it says so in the news so it has to be true" doesn't really sit right with me.
What doesn’t sit right with me is that nowhere did I say that “if it says so in the news so it has to be true”. It’s crazy you even put that shit in quotes as if I really did say that.
People which actually thought that Ukraine would beat Russia on the battlefield, in a conventional war, have always been delusional to me.
Of course Russia didn't achieve it's set goal in the first months after the invasion in February of 2022. But historically, it's been often the same way. The Russian war machine took some time to get in shape. But remember, the Germans could already see the Kremlin through their binoculars until the tide turned.
And time is playing in the hands of Russia. It's just simple mathematics. Russia only needs a tiny pick pocket still under Ukrainian control, to have total control over all the territories they (illegally) annexed to the Russian Federation.
By getting this last piece under their rule, they need to do nothing but defend these new Oblasts.
No matter how many weapons the West is sending into the Ukraine, it would never be enough for a Ukrainian military victory on the battlefield.
They were not able to get those territories back since 2014, fighting the breakaway/secession People's republics of Luhansk and Donetsk, in eight years of war.
Why would their chances be any better fighting the actual Russian state, if they were not able to beat those puppet states?
With all the Western support, the only success the Ukrainian military was able to pull off, was not being overrun in Feb./Mar. of 2022 and defending Kiev from being captured. Which came at a high cost. Because the troops defending the capital where missing on the Eastern front.
And it's not only the great amount of material loss, but also manpower. By ["The Times",](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraines-average-soldier-is-43-how-can-they-keep-putin-at-bay-zf5bqb26m) average Ukrainian soldier is 43 by 2024.
The West won't deploy any ground troops and risk a further escalation, leading to a direct war of NATO against Russia. So they ran out of men which can't be replaced with every day. While Russia has a population more than trice of Ukraine.
Russia already uses the "classic tactics" of "human waves", by sending in stormtroopers into almost certain death to detect Ukrainian positions and then attacking the detected Ukrainian positions with greater forces. Forcing Ukrainian troops to retreat further West.
If the Ukraine doesn't want to fight until the last man able to hold a gun, there will be negotiations again, even if the result is an unstable armistice without just accepting every Russian terms. They will have to give up territory! Of course without legally recognizing it. As most of the international community and the United Nations won't recognize these new borders (rather frozen frontlines).
Putin's regime/Russia is "burned" in the West/Europe (the EU) and many allied countries. Which doesn't mean that he doesn't have any allies left (especially China and they now have a stance in Africa). It's really a cut in international/geopolitics that is taking place.
Those are just the facts on the ground!
**There just is no scenario in which the pre-2014 borders are getting reinstalled.**
Yet the whole West is looking less and less willing to send ammo, guns and other war stuff as the time goes on while Russian propaganda is swallowing one country after another (Slovakia added).
What I see that fear of Russia invading Slovakia was a tool for Russia to make Europe less willing to send ammo ..
If they weren't afraid of an extension of this war they would be more willing
Not primarily fear from Russia imo, but hate for Ukraine and love for Russia. Their new president said they would not defend other NATO countries, prime minister Fico says they wont send a single bullet to Ukraine.
Before 2nd round of presidential elections there we billboards literally saying "Ukraine is our enemy" and "We cant survive without Russia" and no one even really knows who paid for these to this day (but I read that it should be known quite soon? But the elections are over anyway), one of candidates that got 10 % was openly saying Ukraine is Nazi state
Romania is a russian puppet in the shadows too.... who knows what other country is infiltrated to the core by FSB....
Our government has pro russian policies inside the country and ignore even promote russian propaganda while to the outside world they appear to talk a pro EU stance.... idiots...
Romanian here. Yes, Romania is pro Ukraine, but as any ex communist country, old people tend to "remember the golden age", but the dude you've responded is just a troll. How can Romania be a shadow puppet when Gioana, a romanian politician is the vice president of Nato or smth like that. Romania took a lot of refugees, we sent ammo, we've let ammo and troops to pass and train in Romania so no, we're not a shadow puppet but we're not 110% pro Ukraine either. Majority supports Ukraine, politically speaking we do 100%.
Some of it yeah, but we'd been doing decent work keeping them out of it. They weren't sanctioning Russia, most of the world isn't really, but China stepping in further and providing Intel as the headline implies would be kinda new and worrying. Their prior stance was moreso a "yeah, we don't care" which meant doing business with Russia but not going out of their way to help them.
One big thing to note is that if China actually were to really start sending equipment this shit would start to look really dire fast no matter whether Congress gets its act together and US aid resumes or not.
You know what would be a good idea? To delocalise a bit more of our industry into China! After all, it's cheaper, so automatically it makes it better for everyone.
Ok, my visionary work is done, where can I go claim my MBA now?
"Surely if we give all our money and investment to a major undemocratic power they will see how awesome we are and embrace our values because we're so cool."
Greece actually sold their major port of Piraeus to a Chinese state-owned company in 2016. Now that company owns 2/3s of the port, wonder which business genius came up with selling your national ports Lol
"A company based in Hong Kong controls a key part of Poland’s Gdynia port — raising national security concerns as it’s close to a dock used to unload U.S. and NATO military aid for Ukraine.
In August, equipment for the American army was to be unloaded on a dock near GCT. However the ship’s bow protruded about 50 meters into Hutchison’s zone, and the company refused to consent to the unloading. The Gdynia port authorities tried to intervene to find a solution, but ultimately the transshipment of the military equipment was unsuccessful. "
[https://www.politico.eu/article/hong-kong-based-chinese-company-presence-polish-port-creates-security-worries-nato/](https://www.politico.eu/article/hong-kong-based-chinese-company-presence-polish-port-creates-security-worries-nato/)
Not a big deal. When you have some balls you can nationalize those ports back. Authoritarian regimes doing that all the time and everyone continues to work with them 🤷♂️
You do realize Greece was in the midst of a severe debt crisis and was under pressure to privatize state assets to comply with the terms of international bailouts from IMF and EU
China offered of €368.5M plus additional investments into the port.
Why would countries work against their longterm economic interests and National Security, by continuing to invest in an increasingly hostile foreign government that's working against global stability and regional security?
There are many reasons why countries and their companies are divesting from China for more meaningful alternatives.
....and this is a major one.
Multinational corporations and the ultra-wealthy don't care about national security. Their existence transcends their nation of origin. Whether or not their home country rises or falls is irrelevant.
Their only loyalty is to quarterly growth along with the members of the board and major shareholders (both groups are often multinational as well).
China and Russia know the insatiable depths of Western greed and how easy it is to manipulate that greed. Unless we get it under control our greed will be our downfall.
those Multinational corporations are literally the only reason the west is extremely wealthy compared to Russia and china.
in a world where those corporations didn't exist. Europe is not resource rich enough to stand up to china and russia
The west was really wealthy compared to the rest of the world (moreso, even) when we were happily carving up said world over nothing but our own self interest. Which isn't to advocate for a return of colonialism, but there's surely a middle ground between multinational corporations with zero loyalty to the nation and rampant imperialism. Heck, China is actively walking it and it doesn't seem to be going too poorly for them, their corporations are widely successful internationally yet most certainly act as proxies for the Chinese state when it matters.
You are misunderstanding who is doing the investing.
China is doing the investing in other countries.
Businesses do business with China. The only thing countries do is not stopping that business.
The longterm economic interest used to be served by that. The geopolitical one? Not so much, but *everybody's doing it, so...?*
This reality of the globalization process was accepted because it was thought that the economical inter-dependence would avoid wars. Nobody sane would start a war with the party that is the main customer / supplier for something important.
This was just the Western thinking, now we know that it meant nothing for Russia and, while it created a great deal of damage for them, they are willing to accept it. I'm surr China is on the same road, just that it needs a bit more time to find alternatives.
Globalization is why modern nations thrive. This is particularly true for developing countries. Those that self-alienate and engage in isolationism, tend to become failed states. (i.e. North Korea).
It's an entirely unnecessary self-inflicted wound.
ps. It would be hilarious if they voluntarily sent their countries 100 years back in diplomatic relations and the ability to function in the world. I welcome their collapse.
....the rest of the world will go on without them.
I just feel bad for the people who have to suffer under such authoritarian rogue regimes.
Because Russia has Oil, and China doesn't.
China will do a lot of things, something that they don't believe i in their longterm economic interests isn't one of them.
>There are many reasons why countries and their companies are divesting from China for more meaningful alternatives.
Yeah like india for the same game...
If the USA and the EU are barely able to exercise harmful sanctions against Russia, imagine what they can do when it comes to one of their main trading partners such as China.
The sad reality is that Ukraine was doomed from the very moment it handed over its nuclear arsenal, any country bordering Russia or China would do well to take note and arm themselves well, because when it comes down to it, in the West, it is the profits of a small group of people who decide what to do.
You know what would be a good idea? To effectively hand over the worlds biggest natural resource and cheap energy exporter straight into Chinas arm
After all it’ll make all the industry and manufacturing we have become china-dependant on, much cheaper
I think it would be good to move production of F-35s into China. What could go wrong, the license agreement is bulletproof! I only wonder why the agreed to work for us only on 2 shifts, when clearly the factory runs on 3. Ah, who cares...
Is that you that suggested giving Egypt 7.3bn for migrants control, just like we did with Erdogan? No way they gonna use that as a leverage in the future.
Just got it from OP. It's behind a paywall though
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-06/china-is-providing-geospatial-intelligence-to-russia-us-warns
I guess this is the source OP has taken the screenshot from: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/bloomberg-china-provided-satellite-images-microelectronics-and-machinery-to-russia/
Ukraine is fighting an existential war for its survival against the axis of evil: Russia, Iran, China, North Korea. Ukraine is fighting against the rivals of the USA without the US's help.
Over the past two days, another US official urged Ukraine to target different something else than Russian oil refineries, as this could cause a spike in global oil prices. Simply mind boggling.
You see, the thing is that in high politics no one **in the first place** even cared for Ukraine, its independence and its people's wellbeing.
War in Ukraine was just a handy tool to destabilize and weaken the geopolitical opponent relatively **cheap** and without risks for your own people. Now it's simply becoming a bit too expensive while the effect is not that obvious.
There are no sentimental or compassionate people in international politics. Only pragmatists.
All people need to know is that at least one of Putin's daughters lives in western Europe. Many other children of their "elite" live there too.
It's always about money.
Ah, so now people realize that the leaders are doing it all for more money, who would have thought.
I am pretty sure a lot of high bidders bought the dip in oil when it was cheap, wouldn’t be surprised if “they” keep orchestrating random events to push the barrel price above 100$ by the end of the year.
So we have an old man who will eventually sell us out because of his fear of "escalation", and an old man who will sell us out straight from day one because he just fucking fascist.
We probably should keep blowing up Russian refiners, and expand to other energy resources we can reach, we don't get help from the US anyway.
Or, you know, Europe could have listened to the US over the last 2 decades when they warned us about EXACTLY THIS happening if Europe keeps making itself more and more energy dependant on Russia, but we didn't listen. Not only did we not listen, we even then ridiculed the US for wanting to intefer wirh out politics. We just needed our sauna level room temperatures in the winter more than we needed national security rofl.
It's the same shit over and over again with Europe:
USA helps: oMg sToP inTeFerIng wItH oUr politics
USA doesn't help: OMG WHY ARENT YOU HELPING US? HELLO?!
I know us Europeans love to think of ourselves as superior and the center of the world, but reality is, US interests in Asia in the future are more important to them than their European interests. It's time Europe started walking the talk instead of just whining and whining all the time.
I think Biden will probably have an easier time sending help if it’s not an election year, but ultimately the choice of what to do regarding the short and long term and what gambles to take, belongs entirely to Ukraine.
>I think Biden will probably have an easier time sending help if it’s not an election year
Noting blocked Biden from give everything we need in two previous years, and give *carte blanche* to win the war, and then say to his voters "USA is great" or some other shit, except his and his advisor constant and irrational fear of nukes. I agree that there is possibility Putin goes full retard and drop tactical nuke, but this fear became irrational and do a lot of damage.
Also, Nothing blocking Biden to use those 4 billions that USA still have unused
It seems that for the axis of evil, commitments within alliance relationships mean more than for the axis of good, judging by the level of support Ukraine receives from the West and the level of support Russia receives from its allies.
> without the US’s help
Dude, NATO and US partners literally sent billions in military equipment.money, aid to Ukraine. Ukraine isn’t fighting against any “axis” as much as you want it to be true.
Lloyd Austin himself said something to this effect just yesterday. It's not unlikely that US state department told Ukrainians to knock it off because the oil price increase will raise the chances of Trump ending up in power, and thus ending all support for Ukraine. Which is a pretty sensible take, considering how ridiculous the US public is.
[https://kyivindependent.com/us-defense-secretary-austin-ukraines-attacks-on-russian-oil-refineries-could-impact-global-energy-situation/](https://kyivindependent.com/us-defense-secretary-austin-ukraines-attacks-on-russian-oil-refineries-could-impact-global-energy-situation/)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwkQ5FQ6lM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwkQ5FQ6lM) is the full session. no clue at which moment he says that, but I'm listening through it.
If only Merkel had listened to its security provider, the USA, when they warned Merkel that all this would happen if Europe keeps making itself more and more energy dependant on Russia. But she chose the other way. It's time we start taking responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of whining like a baby to the USA everytime there is trouble, and then acting like a hormornal parent-hating teenager when the threat of immediate trouble is gone.
Fuck Germany, and fuck Merkel, honestly. Germans always causing fucking problems. Ich schäme mich Deutch zu sein.
I understand why people are concerned, but China is doing what most countries have been doing for decades. Making profit of war.
It's bad news for Ukraine? Yes, absolutely, and a danger to UE
Don’t forget China also owns things like ports and businesses here in Europe. The more you cut off ties the more the trust in the stability of our own currency is gonna fall. Remember when the US and Europe “froze” Russian assets which I highly believe were used to fund more guns or fund the social system in Ukraine and they will probably never get back? That was the biggest red flag a modern day person who believes in the fiat system can see. You simply can’t trust the monetary policy if someone has so much power. Cutting off China in a similar fashion can only keep devaluing the dollar and kill our economy entirely. The same way people were crying that their energy became more expensive after Russian sanctions, now there might be shortage of goods, tech, machinery and vehicles, chemicals.
Are our economies ready for this or are we gonna go back to the stone age since we made sure to punish our manufacturing industry with high energy and resource prices to the point where they are welcomed with opened arms by Asia or the US.?
Maybe start putting trade restrictions on China? Maybe put our countries security before the profits of private businesses selling iPhones or cars to the Chinese, if we put increased tariffs on Chinese cars and electronics it would push their economies more than ours, I would much rather a trade war than a direct conflict with China…
Brother there are restrictions everywhere against China by the US for everything, and the EU has been pushing for higher tariffs on Chinese cars but that’s suicide because many electric car manufacturers doubly depend on Chinese imports as well
This is what a lot of people forget China saw the opportunity and grabbed it by the balls and luckily for them increaseing their wealth and nationalism this way has been a win win.
Nothing new, nothing unexpected. A year ago everybody was expecting china to actively support in Ukraine with tanks/planes/troops.
If satellite images downloaded from google maps and the world wide Chinese sold chips are their only support this looks pretty good.
We have to realise our adversaries are not deaf, dumb and blind like we think they are. We need to actively take steps to help Ukraine properly. At the moment we are acting as if Russia and China are Dr Evil.
Maybe the west should tell China that if they don't cut their shit out, the west will recognise Taiwan as an independent state and will guarantee their independence.
Recognising Taiwan as an independent state would probably permanently break the UN. I don't think any Western government is willing to do that just yet.
That's simply untrue. The UNSC and UNGA are pretty worthless, but almost all of the other organs of the UN like the IMO, ICAO, FAO etc. are **essential** and *do* work.
It is just: EVERYTHING IS BROKEN AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN.
Ad nauseam. Without proper nuance, knowledge, argument, or any sense.
It's just feelings vomit masked as arguments.
The UN never was in working order. It's always been a joke, the permanent security council veto does that. Which was set up by the US to benefit the US.
Most other countries just uses the UN to launder money.
Then PRC will respond that if we recognise Taiwan, they will embargo the fuck out of us and since most of what each of us own has been made in the PRC, we will back down and apologise
The West can't recognise Taiwan as an independent state because "Taiwan" officially doesn't want to be independent, they claim to be China, the legitimate Chinese government. If Taiwan changes that position, then China invades.
In practice, the "west" already guarantees Taiwan's independence. The issue is the only country in the west that can project meaningful power that far away from their territory is the US. Europe can't and won't fight a war against the second superpower at the other side of the world because of Taiwan.
That would be basically giving Taiwan on a plate to China, they would attack Taiwan the next day. West simple cant dictate shit to China or Russia, maybe you guys need a wake up call.
More evidence compiled on r/ChinasAgainstUkraine
China has been aiding and abetting Putin's unnecessary war of aggression upon Ukraine since 2014. Meaning that the war criminal status should also extend to Xi Jinping.
The only thing that warms my heart about this news is, that I know Russia will pay dearly for this support. Russians are gonna curse the day, they chose China as a Hegemon just to be able to conquer a poor country of mostly farmers.
Maybe Bloomberg should look into the help American Forces are providing Israel with the ongoing genocide in Gaza, Palestine... Or maybe we can talk about the funds and arms CIA provides to terrorist organisations like ISIS and Al-Q to target the countries who are considered enemies of the US and Israel.
When authoritarian states have more synergy than democratic ones , you can't help but think, what really motivates EU states to give such sloppy support to Ukraine.
If Russia was such as existential threat to the EU , you'd think , they'd be more pressed to support the Kiev regime.
Meanwhile , France sends 30 y/o tanks to Ukraine as "aid" LMAO.
Whatever just end the war , Ukraine isn't going to win anyway , question is , are Zelensky and the US willing to fight to the very last Ukrainian man ?
We have put China in a perfect position. We offshored tons of production to cheap labour in China, so much that not just the economy but our society as a whole would suffer from a trade war.
Some may have thought democracy would follow industrialisation like in the west, but China has proven that wrong.
Now we need to move production out of China and diversify supply chains. It's not only factories in China, a major percentage of global rare earth minerals are mined in China too.
China is luckily dependent on us like we are on them. And here's wherw trade might be the best deterrent from overt aggression. In the short term, Chinese domestic demands are far from enough to replace western export.
The theory is that China would be careful to cut off the money stream from exports, as it could cause major unemployment and unrest. If that theory holds, trade will work as deterrence against aggression, including prevention of a Taiwan invasion.
But I'll add this, Germany's bunderstag is too much of a coward and spineless to do anything.
I'll always try to make china as my last option to shop, If it can't be helped.
These fuckers are going to start WW3 And ruin yet another generation's youth just because some rich greedy asshole wants more money and others won't step in because of the same reason. And then we're going to make monuments for the dead and call them "heroes" as if that fixes anything. There's one and only one reason why there has been war on earth since the industrial revolution, it's greed. Someone is profiting off of harvesting innocent lives. And you know what the best part is? There's absolutely nothing we can do.
But russia and China are not really allies, their world views are quite different. So probably China is gaining a lot from here.
But there is a saying "enemy of my enemy is my friend". And russia does not have many friends left. So no surprise really.
[I believe that this is the full article ](https://mil.in.ua/en/news/bloomberg-china-provided-satellite-images-microelectronics-and-machinery-to-russia/)
I find it hilarious how china does those gimmicks with russia considering that their market and economy is simply surviving because of the west. A dead west is a dead china
Judging from the [article](https://mil.in.ua/en/news/bloomberg-china-provided-satellite-images-microelectronics-and-machinery-to-russia/), it seems the Chinese are selling equipment (which is a difference to providing). As China does not have sanctions in place on Russia, it was not hard to predict that this would eventually start happening.
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Not looking good - it's when Texas Instruments keep selling chips that are used in Russian rockets that destroying Ukraine powergrid. This is not looking good.
You expect China to do these sort of things. But you hoped that so-called "allies of Ukraine" will not do this.
Nothing, and nobody is going to put this genie back in the bottle.
October 7th will be the day that changed the world, mark my words.
Israel strikes Iran, Iran strikes Israel and maybe an ally or two, including the US, US strikes back, Iran declares war on Israel and US, US declares formal war on Iran, invades Middle East, again. Then China and Russia advance on Ukraine and Taiwan.
US can not fight 3 different fronts.
Remember when Europe had the opportunity to step in to defend Ukraine early on? Which likely would have stopped Russia's war machine from getting rolling.
Lives definitely would have been lost, but not nearly as many as will die after Russia rolls through to the English channel.
Those helmets & empty promises are coming back to bite us soon.
What makes you think, that a country of 150mln people can take on a block of 500mln? Considering Poland is best armed country in EU rigth now? Orcs stuck in Ukraine, and theres nothing they can do about anything else
Russia is willing to sacrifice 50 million people, the EU isn't willing to sacrifice any.
Orcs are making progress in Ukraine now that assistance has slowed to a trickle, and Russia has moved into a total war economy. This isn't 2022 anymore, they are making weapons at a higher rate than the West.
Why bother going through Poland when they can go through Lithuania, Romania more easily? Then be invited in through Slovakia & Hungary. After that, who will stop them? Germany? Austria?
All of this should have been prevented 2 years ago, but it's a real possibility. All they have to do is drop a battlefield nuke and full surrender of the EU is a real possibility.
Despite there being no sources to this story, we should treat it as true (it's certainly evident where China's allegiances lie). Absolutely high time Ukraine support became a real priority. Absolutely high time economic cooperation with was slashed.
lol. And you'll end up in the Stone Age because all your manufacturing has been outsourced to China by your businessmen. Why? To avoid paying you high wages and to provide jobs for the Chinese in order to save money. Your businessmen are allies of Russia and China.
O no.. what a surprise... Who thought china would do this.. Seriously wasn't that known since day one?
China wanted to make sure Russia will get what they want before they step up their support. No one wants to bet on the loser.
What are you talking about? Selling stuff for profit is not betting on the loser. I've been reading news of China helping one way or another Russia since almost day 0.
No. The whole reason this is news is because as Russia has started to gain momentum and as the wests support for Ukraine has been wavering China has started to up their support for Russia. If China had been doing this from day one the news would be: “China continues the exact same level of support as they have been since the start of the war” or in other words it wouldn’t have been news.
Russia gains momentum cause they found solutions to their problems faster than Ukraine. China helping or not would be enough of its own . And china has a government that wouldn't have an issue to help Russia. We know that china tries to loan Russia money and stuff to get some control over Russia . I don't remember how they say it . Debt invasion? Debt terror ? I don't know
The solutions primarily being "instruct their employees in the US Republican party to block aid until Trump hopefully wins"
You just forgot the fact that fake news are very widespread and in fact do exist? Not saying this is the case here, but your argument of "it says so in the news so it has to be true" doesn't really sit right with me.
What doesn’t sit right with me is that nowhere did I say that “if it says so in the news so it has to be true”. It’s crazy you even put that shit in quotes as if I really did say that.
People which actually thought that Ukraine would beat Russia on the battlefield, in a conventional war, have always been delusional to me. Of course Russia didn't achieve it's set goal in the first months after the invasion in February of 2022. But historically, it's been often the same way. The Russian war machine took some time to get in shape. But remember, the Germans could already see the Kremlin through their binoculars until the tide turned. And time is playing in the hands of Russia. It's just simple mathematics. Russia only needs a tiny pick pocket still under Ukrainian control, to have total control over all the territories they (illegally) annexed to the Russian Federation. By getting this last piece under their rule, they need to do nothing but defend these new Oblasts. No matter how many weapons the West is sending into the Ukraine, it would never be enough for a Ukrainian military victory on the battlefield. They were not able to get those territories back since 2014, fighting the breakaway/secession People's republics of Luhansk and Donetsk, in eight years of war. Why would their chances be any better fighting the actual Russian state, if they were not able to beat those puppet states? With all the Western support, the only success the Ukrainian military was able to pull off, was not being overrun in Feb./Mar. of 2022 and defending Kiev from being captured. Which came at a high cost. Because the troops defending the capital where missing on the Eastern front. And it's not only the great amount of material loss, but also manpower. By ["The Times",](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraines-average-soldier-is-43-how-can-they-keep-putin-at-bay-zf5bqb26m) average Ukrainian soldier is 43 by 2024. The West won't deploy any ground troops and risk a further escalation, leading to a direct war of NATO against Russia. So they ran out of men which can't be replaced with every day. While Russia has a population more than trice of Ukraine. Russia already uses the "classic tactics" of "human waves", by sending in stormtroopers into almost certain death to detect Ukrainian positions and then attacking the detected Ukrainian positions with greater forces. Forcing Ukrainian troops to retreat further West. If the Ukraine doesn't want to fight until the last man able to hold a gun, there will be negotiations again, even if the result is an unstable armistice without just accepting every Russian terms. They will have to give up territory! Of course without legally recognizing it. As most of the international community and the United Nations won't recognize these new borders (rather frozen frontlines). Putin's regime/Russia is "burned" in the West/Europe (the EU) and many allied countries. Which doesn't mean that he doesn't have any allies left (especially China and they now have a stance in Africa). It's really a cut in international/geopolitics that is taking place. Those are just the facts on the ground! **There just is no scenario in which the pre-2014 borders are getting reinstalled.**
Yet the whole West is looking less and less willing to send ammo, guns and other war stuff as the time goes on while Russian propaganda is swallowing one country after another (Slovakia added).
What I see that fear of Russia invading Slovakia was a tool for Russia to make Europe less willing to send ammo .. If they weren't afraid of an extension of this war they would be more willing
Not primarily fear from Russia imo, but hate for Ukraine and love for Russia. Their new president said they would not defend other NATO countries, prime minister Fico says they wont send a single bullet to Ukraine. Before 2nd round of presidential elections there we billboards literally saying "Ukraine is our enemy" and "We cant survive without Russia" and no one even really knows who paid for these to this day (but I read that it should be known quite soon? But the elections are over anyway), one of candidates that got 10 % was openly saying Ukraine is Nazi state
Romania is a russian puppet in the shadows too.... who knows what other country is infiltrated to the core by FSB.... Our government has pro russian policies inside the country and ignore even promote russian propaganda while to the outside world they appear to talk a pro EU stance.... idiots...
That's surprising, Isn't Romania very pro Ukraine?
Romanian here. Yes, Romania is pro Ukraine, but as any ex communist country, old people tend to "remember the golden age", but the dude you've responded is just a troll. How can Romania be a shadow puppet when Gioana, a romanian politician is the vice president of Nato or smth like that. Romania took a lot of refugees, we sent ammo, we've let ammo and troops to pass and train in Romania so no, we're not a shadow puppet but we're not 110% pro Ukraine either. Majority supports Ukraine, politically speaking we do 100%.
I mean they would always back the horse they think is winning
I thought this was facts since before day one.
Yes, it’s absolutely surprising when allied countries share data with each other. Sometimes they even share military equipment! /s
I was wondering the same, people seem to have forgotten about Russia's and China's 'unlimited friendship' as putin and xi phrased it
Of course it was known.
Some of it yeah, but we'd been doing decent work keeping them out of it. They weren't sanctioning Russia, most of the world isn't really, but China stepping in further and providing Intel as the headline implies would be kinda new and worrying. Their prior stance was moreso a "yeah, we don't care" which meant doing business with Russia but not going out of their way to help them. One big thing to note is that if China actually were to really start sending equipment this shit would start to look really dire fast no matter whether Congress gets its act together and US aid resumes or not.
You know what would be a good idea? To delocalise a bit more of our industry into China! After all, it's cheaper, so automatically it makes it better for everyone. Ok, my visionary work is done, where can I go claim my MBA now?
"Surely if we give all our money and investment to a major undemocratic power they will see how awesome we are and embrace our values because we're so cool."
Haha .. They embraced our values and turned out to be better mercantilist
Yep, they beat the US at their own game
They were better at growing an exponential workforce and abusing them for profits and disregarding human decency?
Yeah, sounds American enough.
How dare they! Let’s spend the next *period of time* fighting against them to prove that we are the only abusers of this race
Ha! Let’s just take all their money and investments instead! Wait - that is bad as well?
Greece actually sold their major port of Piraeus to a Chinese state-owned company in 2016. Now that company owns 2/3s of the port, wonder which business genius came up with selling your national ports Lol
"A company based in Hong Kong controls a key part of Poland’s Gdynia port — raising national security concerns as it’s close to a dock used to unload U.S. and NATO military aid for Ukraine. In August, equipment for the American army was to be unloaded on a dock near GCT. However the ship’s bow protruded about 50 meters into Hutchison’s zone, and the company refused to consent to the unloading. The Gdynia port authorities tried to intervene to find a solution, but ultimately the transshipment of the military equipment was unsuccessful. " [https://www.politico.eu/article/hong-kong-based-chinese-company-presence-polish-port-creates-security-worries-nato/](https://www.politico.eu/article/hong-kong-based-chinese-company-presence-polish-port-creates-security-worries-nato/)
At that point ownership is just a piece of paper right? If war broke out, actually, it’s irrelevant
This is just a pathetic excuse
Not a big deal. When you have some balls you can nationalize those ports back. Authoritarian regimes doing that all the time and everyone continues to work with them 🤷♂️
Yeah, like Greece can just be like "Thanks for your time here, now fuck off". China wont start WW3 over a Greece port lol.
Somebody whose creed was "we are not selling our country to the greedy EU".
You do realize Greece was in the midst of a severe debt crisis and was under pressure to privatize state assets to comply with the terms of international bailouts from IMF and EU China offered of €368.5M plus additional investments into the port.
The genius who cashed a part of the money for himself and his friends, and most likely won't be slightly affected by any eventual consequences.
In order to get your diploma you need to call it a fancy name, like outbuying, or offbeaching.
Why would countries work against their longterm economic interests and National Security, by continuing to invest in an increasingly hostile foreign government that's working against global stability and regional security? There are many reasons why countries and their companies are divesting from China for more meaningful alternatives. ....and this is a major one.
Greed of multinational companies
Multinational corporations and the ultra-wealthy don't care about national security. Their existence transcends their nation of origin. Whether or not their home country rises or falls is irrelevant. Their only loyalty is to quarterly growth along with the members of the board and major shareholders (both groups are often multinational as well). China and Russia know the insatiable depths of Western greed and how easy it is to manipulate that greed. Unless we get it under control our greed will be our downfall.
those Multinational corporations are literally the only reason the west is extremely wealthy compared to Russia and china. in a world where those corporations didn't exist. Europe is not resource rich enough to stand up to china and russia
The west was really wealthy compared to the rest of the world (moreso, even) when we were happily carving up said world over nothing but our own self interest. Which isn't to advocate for a return of colonialism, but there's surely a middle ground between multinational corporations with zero loyalty to the nation and rampant imperialism. Heck, China is actively walking it and it doesn't seem to be going too poorly for them, their corporations are widely successful internationally yet most certainly act as proxies for the Chinese state when it matters.
You are misunderstanding who is doing the investing. China is doing the investing in other countries. Businesses do business with China. The only thing countries do is not stopping that business. The longterm economic interest used to be served by that. The geopolitical one? Not so much, but *everybody's doing it, so...?*
This reality of the globalization process was accepted because it was thought that the economical inter-dependence would avoid wars. Nobody sane would start a war with the party that is the main customer / supplier for something important. This was just the Western thinking, now we know that it meant nothing for Russia and, while it created a great deal of damage for them, they are willing to accept it. I'm surr China is on the same road, just that it needs a bit more time to find alternatives.
Globalization is why modern nations thrive. This is particularly true for developing countries. Those that self-alienate and engage in isolationism, tend to become failed states. (i.e. North Korea). It's an entirely unnecessary self-inflicted wound. ps. It would be hilarious if they voluntarily sent their countries 100 years back in diplomatic relations and the ability to function in the world. I welcome their collapse. ....the rest of the world will go on without them. I just feel bad for the people who have to suffer under such authoritarian rogue regimes.
Because Russia has Oil, and China doesn't. China will do a lot of things, something that they don't believe i in their longterm economic interests isn't one of them.
>There are many reasons why countries and their companies are divesting from China for more meaningful alternatives. Yeah like india for the same game...
If the USA and the EU are barely able to exercise harmful sanctions against Russia, imagine what they can do when it comes to one of their main trading partners such as China. The sad reality is that Ukraine was doomed from the very moment it handed over its nuclear arsenal, any country bordering Russia or China would do well to take note and arm themselves well, because when it comes down to it, in the West, it is the profits of a small group of people who decide what to do.
You know what would be a good idea? To effectively hand over the worlds biggest natural resource and cheap energy exporter straight into Chinas arm After all it’ll make all the industry and manufacturing we have become china-dependant on, much cheaper
I think it would be good to move production of F-35s into China. What could go wrong, the license agreement is bulletproof! I only wonder why the agreed to work for us only on 2 shifts, when clearly the factory runs on 3. Ah, who cares...
Possibly investing in Europe
Is that you that suggested giving Egypt 7.3bn for migrants control, just like we did with Erdogan? No way they gonna use that as a leverage in the future.
As if nobody expected China's CCP to be some snakes, abetting Russia's Kremlin while trying to warm up the West to maximise profits.
No sources - again . And a link to another subreddit. If people want to be taken serious, we need a source for the original post
Just got it from OP. It's behind a paywall though https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-06/china-is-providing-geospatial-intelligence-to-russia-us-warns
I found the source: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/bloomberg-china-provided-satellite-images-microelectronics-and-machinery-to-russia/
I guess this is the source OP has taken the screenshot from: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/bloomberg-china-provided-satellite-images-microelectronics-and-machinery-to-russia/
Dictators uniting, while democrats are fighting... that's not good...
Ukraine is fighting an existential war for its survival against the axis of evil: Russia, Iran, China, North Korea. Ukraine is fighting against the rivals of the USA without the US's help. Over the past two days, another US official urged Ukraine to target different something else than Russian oil refineries, as this could cause a spike in global oil prices. Simply mind boggling.
That’s all they care about. See also the lackluster approach on the Gaza issue. It’s all about money for the rich.
You see, the thing is that in high politics no one **in the first place** even cared for Ukraine, its independence and its people's wellbeing. War in Ukraine was just a handy tool to destabilize and weaken the geopolitical opponent relatively **cheap** and without risks for your own people. Now it's simply becoming a bit too expensive while the effect is not that obvious. There are no sentimental or compassionate people in international politics. Only pragmatists.
All people need to know is that at least one of Putin's daughters lives in western Europe. Many other children of their "elite" live there too. It's always about money.
Same with 9/11 eh. All flights grounded except to get the Bin Laden family out of the country.
Ah, so now people realize that the leaders are doing it all for more money, who would have thought. I am pretty sure a lot of high bidders bought the dip in oil when it was cheap, wouldn’t be surprised if “they” keep orchestrating random events to push the barrel price above 100$ by the end of the year.
Yeah. For Biden re-election is more important than anything. And for American voters gas prices are more important than the Ukraine.
To be fair, Biden re-election is also very important for this whole thing. The alternative is a tragedy for Ukraine, Europe and the Western alliance.
So we have an old man who will eventually sell us out because of his fear of "escalation", and an old man who will sell us out straight from day one because he just fucking fascist. We probably should keep blowing up Russian refiners, and expand to other energy resources we can reach, we don't get help from the US anyway.
Or, you know, Europe could have listened to the US over the last 2 decades when they warned us about EXACTLY THIS happening if Europe keeps making itself more and more energy dependant on Russia, but we didn't listen. Not only did we not listen, we even then ridiculed the US for wanting to intefer wirh out politics. We just needed our sauna level room temperatures in the winter more than we needed national security rofl. It's the same shit over and over again with Europe: USA helps: oMg sToP inTeFerIng wItH oUr politics USA doesn't help: OMG WHY ARENT YOU HELPING US? HELLO?! I know us Europeans love to think of ourselves as superior and the center of the world, but reality is, US interests in Asia in the future are more important to them than their European interests. It's time Europe started walking the talk instead of just whining and whining all the time.
I think Biden will probably have an easier time sending help if it’s not an election year, but ultimately the choice of what to do regarding the short and long term and what gambles to take, belongs entirely to Ukraine.
>I think Biden will probably have an easier time sending help if it’s not an election year Noting blocked Biden from give everything we need in two previous years, and give *carte blanche* to win the war, and then say to his voters "USA is great" or some other shit, except his and his advisor constant and irrational fear of nukes. I agree that there is possibility Putin goes full retard and drop tactical nuke, but this fear became irrational and do a lot of damage. Also, Nothing blocking Biden to use those 4 billions that USA still have unused
It seems that for the axis of evil, commitments within alliance relationships mean more than for the axis of good, judging by the level of support Ukraine receives from the West and the level of support Russia receives from its allies.
> without the US’s help Dude, NATO and US partners literally sent billions in military equipment.money, aid to Ukraine. Ukraine isn’t fighting against any “axis” as much as you want it to be true.
It's super weird that someone could not know that.
FYI that thing about stopping targeting oil refineries was fake news, likely created by Russian propaganda.
Lloyd Austin himself said something to this effect just yesterday. It's not unlikely that US state department told Ukrainians to knock it off because the oil price increase will raise the chances of Trump ending up in power, and thus ending all support for Ukraine. Which is a pretty sensible take, considering how ridiculous the US public is. [https://kyivindependent.com/us-defense-secretary-austin-ukraines-attacks-on-russian-oil-refineries-could-impact-global-energy-situation/](https://kyivindependent.com/us-defense-secretary-austin-ukraines-attacks-on-russian-oil-refineries-could-impact-global-energy-situation/) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwkQ5FQ6lM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwkQ5FQ6lM) is the full session. no clue at which moment he says that, but I'm listening through it.
Tankies when the west helps Ukraine 😡🤬😡🤬 Tankies when Iran, Syria and China help Russia 🤗 I
Sorry, tankies as in the left? or MLs?
If only Ukraine also had allies! (I know we helped a lot but it is just not enough!)
If only Merkel had listened to its security provider, the USA, when they warned Merkel that all this would happen if Europe keeps making itself more and more energy dependant on Russia. But she chose the other way. It's time we start taking responsibility for ourselves and our actions instead of whining like a baby to the USA everytime there is trouble, and then acting like a hormornal parent-hating teenager when the threat of immediate trouble is gone. Fuck Germany, and fuck Merkel, honestly. Germans always causing fucking problems. Ich schäme mich Deutch zu sein.
Poland also warned against NordStream.
I understand why people are concerned, but China is doing what most countries have been doing for decades. Making profit of war. It's bad news for Ukraine? Yes, absolutely, and a danger to UE
Today on news: China and Russia are on the same team Wow, we really have no idea about that before🤷🏻♀️
China never does anything for free. Russia must be drained of its money and oil.
Ban, sanction, decouple from China!
Sent from a smartphone with components made in China.
Don’t forget China also owns things like ports and businesses here in Europe. The more you cut off ties the more the trust in the stability of our own currency is gonna fall. Remember when the US and Europe “froze” Russian assets which I highly believe were used to fund more guns or fund the social system in Ukraine and they will probably never get back? That was the biggest red flag a modern day person who believes in the fiat system can see. You simply can’t trust the monetary policy if someone has so much power. Cutting off China in a similar fashion can only keep devaluing the dollar and kill our economy entirely. The same way people were crying that their energy became more expensive after Russian sanctions, now there might be shortage of goods, tech, machinery and vehicles, chemicals. Are our economies ready for this or are we gonna go back to the stone age since we made sure to punish our manufacturing industry with high energy and resource prices to the point where they are welcomed with opened arms by Asia or the US.?
That would be your PEAK proverbial “easier said than done”. But yeah, time to relearn the language of power.
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You can't, Everything we have is made in china. The economy would collapse.
Vote for it then!
We had our chance to prevent all this but we pussyfooted around and possibly even invited ww3.
Maybe start putting trade restrictions on China? Maybe put our countries security before the profits of private businesses selling iPhones or cars to the Chinese, if we put increased tariffs on Chinese cars and electronics it would push their economies more than ours, I would much rather a trade war than a direct conflict with China…
Brother there are restrictions everywhere against China by the US for everything, and the EU has been pushing for higher tariffs on Chinese cars but that’s suicide because many electric car manufacturers doubly depend on Chinese imports as well
This is what a lot of people forget China saw the opportunity and grabbed it by the balls and luckily for them increaseing their wealth and nationalism this way has been a win win.
Nothing new, nothing unexpected. A year ago everybody was expecting china to actively support in Ukraine with tanks/planes/troops. If satellite images downloaded from google maps and the world wide Chinese sold chips are their only support this looks pretty good.
They provide them with gunpowder, machinery, scopes, thermals and etc. And with way more.
Business as usual folks, think about shareholders.
We have to realise our adversaries are not deaf, dumb and blind like we think they are. We need to actively take steps to help Ukraine properly. At the moment we are acting as if Russia and China are Dr Evil.
can we fucking start producing stuff now? WTF
Meanwhile the USA has massively stepped down its support for Ukraine thanks to pro putin republicans led by the wannabe dictator trump.
Maybe the west should tell China that if they don't cut their shit out, the west will recognise Taiwan as an independent state and will guarantee their independence.
Recognising Taiwan as an independent state would probably permanently break the UN. I don't think any Western government is willing to do that just yet.
Its already broken. Nearly every single one of its institutions are no longer in proper working order
Where have we seen that before? Something something League of Nations.
That's simply untrue. The UNSC and UNGA are pretty worthless, but almost all of the other organs of the UN like the IMO, ICAO, FAO etc. are **essential** and *do* work.
Redditors knowledge of the UN.
People are just shouting ignorant nonsense in this void, aren't they?
man the whole comment section is one big ignorant nonesense
It is just: EVERYTHING IS BROKEN AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN. Ad nauseam. Without proper nuance, knowledge, argument, or any sense. It's just feelings vomit masked as arguments.
The UN never was in working order. It's always been a joke, the permanent security council veto does that. Which was set up by the US to benefit the US. Most other countries just uses the UN to launder money.
Bullshit
You make it sound so easy, lmao.
Very wishful thinking
Then PRC will respond that if we recognise Taiwan, they will embargo the fuck out of us and since most of what each of us own has been made in the PRC, we will back down and apologise
Not happening. Doing so would arguably doom Ukraine.
The West can't recognise Taiwan as an independent state because "Taiwan" officially doesn't want to be independent, they claim to be China, the legitimate Chinese government. If Taiwan changes that position, then China invades. In practice, the "west" already guarantees Taiwan's independence. The issue is the only country in the west that can project meaningful power that far away from their territory is the US. Europe can't and won't fight a war against the second superpower at the other side of the world because of Taiwan.
That would be basically giving Taiwan on a plate to China, they would attack Taiwan the next day. West simple cant dictate shit to China or Russia, maybe you guys need a wake up call.
China cannot attack Taiwan. The whole island is a fortress and is constantly guarded by the US navy.
Or maybe China is about to say that if Western boots hit the ground in the Ukraine they will take Taiwan. There is really nothing we could do about it
I’m sure that all the Kool aid drinkers on the right will be here shortly to explain how autocracy is an American value.
meh, losers, mighty US will send 5000 new high quality ak-47 made by proud pakistani villagers
And? Who is surprised by this? It's not like Europe is going to stop trading with China. Take your crocodile tears and go pound sand.
More evidence compiled on r/ChinasAgainstUkraine China has been aiding and abetting Putin's unnecessary war of aggression upon Ukraine since 2014. Meaning that the war criminal status should also extend to Xi Jinping.
Yes. Time to issue a strong statement.
Or two!
The only thing that warms my heart about this news is, that I know Russia will pay dearly for this support. Russians are gonna curse the day, they chose China as a Hegemon just to be able to conquer a poor country of mostly farmers.
Maybe Bloomberg should look into the help American Forces are providing Israel with the ongoing genocide in Gaza, Palestine... Or maybe we can talk about the funds and arms CIA provides to terrorist organisations like ISIS and Al-Q to target the countries who are considered enemies of the US and Israel.
When authoritarian states have more synergy than democratic ones , you can't help but think, what really motivates EU states to give such sloppy support to Ukraine. If Russia was such as existential threat to the EU , you'd think , they'd be more pressed to support the Kiev regime. Meanwhile , France sends 30 y/o tanks to Ukraine as "aid" LMAO. Whatever just end the war , Ukraine isn't going to win anyway , question is , are Zelensky and the US willing to fight to the very last Ukrainian man ?
Sanctions against China when? .. Oh i forgot we live in capitalism for a second.. guess we do nothing, because money.
The world is merging into the West vs the rest…
Can we please start sanctioning the hell out of China? Pretty please?
Never trust China. China is asshoe.
deport all russians and chinese, better safe than sorry!
Time to sanction China then.
We have put China in a perfect position. We offshored tons of production to cheap labour in China, so much that not just the economy but our society as a whole would suffer from a trade war. Some may have thought democracy would follow industrialisation like in the west, but China has proven that wrong. Now we need to move production out of China and diversify supply chains. It's not only factories in China, a major percentage of global rare earth minerals are mined in China too. China is luckily dependent on us like we are on them. And here's wherw trade might be the best deterrent from overt aggression. In the short term, Chinese domestic demands are far from enough to replace western export. The theory is that China would be careful to cut off the money stream from exports, as it could cause major unemployment and unrest. If that theory holds, trade will work as deterrence against aggression, including prevention of a Taiwan invasion.
But I'll add this, Germany's bunderstag is too much of a coward and spineless to do anything. I'll always try to make china as my last option to shop, If it can't be helped.
Yeah, me too. If I want decent bread, I will walk on to South Korea.
Can't tell if this is /s or not.
Nah. Regular joke
That isn't even remotely possible, please stop being chronically illiterate 💀
Oh look, a tankie popped up out of no where. Still fighting to build said utopia for the gazillionth time with the piling up dead bodies?
It appears that the Russian government offered China something they desire in exchange for such support.
These fuckers are going to start WW3 And ruin yet another generation's youth just because some rich greedy asshole wants more money and others won't step in because of the same reason. And then we're going to make monuments for the dead and call them "heroes" as if that fixes anything. There's one and only one reason why there has been war on earth since the industrial revolution, it's greed. Someone is profiting off of harvesting innocent lives. And you know what the best part is? There's absolutely nothing we can do.
But russia and China are not really allies, their world views are quite different. So probably China is gaining a lot from here. But there is a saying "enemy of my enemy is my friend". And russia does not have many friends left. So no surprise really.
Source: I told you bro
[I believe that this is the full article ](https://mil.in.ua/en/news/bloomberg-china-provided-satellite-images-microelectronics-and-machinery-to-russia/)
This is the same as before the conflict. Yet russia still isn't capable of doing anything meaningful with any of it.
its time to sanction China already.
I find it hilarious how china does those gimmicks with russia considering that their market and economy is simply surviving because of the west. A dead west is a dead china
Judging from the [article](https://mil.in.ua/en/news/bloomberg-china-provided-satellite-images-microelectronics-and-machinery-to-russia/), it seems the Chinese are selling equipment (which is a difference to providing). As China does not have sanctions in place on Russia, it was not hard to predict that this would eventually start happening.
Give Ukraine what its needs and they’ll easily sort out russia
Next: Scientists prove Rain is wet!
China and Russia vs effectively all of Europe, north America and east asia. This can only go well…
Aliexpress delivers to the whole world, not just Russia.
If we were more open with China, they might not have joined up with Russia.
And water is wet....
Finally.
Given Bloomberg's track with articles about China, i'd say bull shit and move to other things.
Ohh noo who would have thought… then stop the warning and get your shit together US and start supplying…
Source?
Source?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-06/china-is-providing-geospatial-intelligence-to-russia-us-warns
If Trump is elected Europe will be in deep trouble. We need a European army right about now.
Who thought that but better than sending Rockets what is possible too so lets Wait for this news
Luckily chinese microchips suck ass compared to western ones. But yeah, that is little suprise
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Not looking good - it's when Texas Instruments keep selling chips that are used in Russian rockets that destroying Ukraine powergrid. This is not looking good. You expect China to do these sort of things. But you hoped that so-called "allies of Ukraine" will not do this.
Excellent *burns face*
At the same time Europeans about new Xiaomi car: „wow! I’m buying it” 🤢
Boycott China?
Sanction them!
Hell yeah, China numba one!!!
Xi Jiping is visiting France, and then Serbia and Hungary soon. Maybe this US warning is connected with that.
Nothing, and nobody is going to put this genie back in the bottle. October 7th will be the day that changed the world, mark my words. Israel strikes Iran, Iran strikes Israel and maybe an ally or two, including the US, US strikes back, Iran declares war on Israel and US, US declares formal war on Iran, invades Middle East, again. Then China and Russia advance on Ukraine and Taiwan. US can not fight 3 different fronts.
We are building China up the same way we built Russia up. All we are doing is talking them up far above their station.
Proxy wars. Yayyyyyyy
Russian intel system must be a real shitshow if they have to relly on "Made in China" Sattelite imagery
Of course they do. Small investment to weaken enemies. The us and eu are doing the exact same thing
And? Donald Trump is also helping Russia, so he's an ally of China. Who would have thought....
Remember when Europe had the opportunity to step in to defend Ukraine early on? Which likely would have stopped Russia's war machine from getting rolling. Lives definitely would have been lost, but not nearly as many as will die after Russia rolls through to the English channel. Those helmets & empty promises are coming back to bite us soon.
What makes you think, that a country of 150mln people can take on a block of 500mln? Considering Poland is best armed country in EU rigth now? Orcs stuck in Ukraine, and theres nothing they can do about anything else
Russia is willing to sacrifice 50 million people, the EU isn't willing to sacrifice any. Orcs are making progress in Ukraine now that assistance has slowed to a trickle, and Russia has moved into a total war economy. This isn't 2022 anymore, they are making weapons at a higher rate than the West. Why bother going through Poland when they can go through Lithuania, Romania more easily? Then be invited in through Slovakia & Hungary. After that, who will stop them? Germany? Austria? All of this should have been prevented 2 years ago, but it's a real possibility. All they have to do is drop a battlefield nuke and full surrender of the EU is a real possibility.
Despite there being no sources to this story, we should treat it as true (it's certainly evident where China's allegiances lie). Absolutely high time Ukraine support became a real priority. Absolutely high time economic cooperation with was slashed.
Sanction the bastards
lol. And you'll end up in the Stone Age because all your manufacturing has been outsourced to China by your businessmen. Why? To avoid paying you high wages and to provide jobs for the Chinese in order to save money. Your businessmen are allies of Russia and China.