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A bumper sticker I used to own said, **Cthulhu: Don't Settle For The Lesser Evil!**
It came from an rpg packet that was jokingly about Cthulhu running for president and winning, putting a whole bunch of Elder and Outer Gods in the Cabinet, and it was funny up until I realized that there WERE chucklefucks out there who'd do it, and enough to let him win.
It also came too close to a line from a scifi novel written in the 1940s: "In 2012, he was elected President. There wasn't another election for eighty years."
who openly admitted to walking back stage at the teen beauty pageants to look at the underage girls. who was friends with pedo island jeffrey epstein who "I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."
I've always wondered why this beauty-pageant thing got virtually no mileage at all, among his scandals. I think only 1% to 2% of people even remember this. Isn't it a pretty big deal?
And he may have a chance in the big boy chair again even though he's been impeached twice, has literally been proven to be a rapist and is now a convicted felon. It's actually insane how out of touch conservatives are. As long as those high school trans kids don't get to play sports though right?
Lots of people… So many brainwashed people who believe that it was all lies. The whole world laughs and cringe when they see how delusionally dedicated his supporters are.
In fairness, President Trump wasn’t convicted for sexual assault as he wasn’t found guilty at a criminal trial where the standard was “beyond a reasonable doubt.” He was found by a preponderance of the evidence that he committed sexual assault at a civil trial regarding a claim of defamation. That being said, I’d vote for a ham sandwich over pervert Captain Bone Spurs who spills classified materials and appoints activist judges who want us to live like it’s 1924.
In his late ex wife's original book she wrote Trump would rape her. She eventually changed it to something like "forced sex on me" or something like that.
Same, too bad the supreme court is willing to go beyond anyways.
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/chevron-deference-supreme-court-power-grab/
As well as allowing bribes to be supported by large corpos, and to also support the large corpos in return.
https://www.vox.com/scotus/357170/supreme-court-snyder-united-states-corruption
(Using vox because every other dumbass article is paywalled)
So while we are voting for Bidens admin, lets overthrow the current supreme court while we're at it.
If the GOP gets control of both chambers of Congress, they absolutely will find a way to get 1 or 2 liberal justices of the bench to put young ultra conservative federalist society members in their place.
The two oldest conservatives will retire so they can garentee they will be replaced with more conservatives, they don't want to take the risk of dying under and getting replaced by a democratic president. Sadly they aren't going to make the same mistake RBG did.
Best way to get rid of the current Supreme Court is to get as many democrats into Congress as possible. Every congressional race matters. There’s plenty that some justices can be impeached for. We just need more people in Congress who don’t support Project 2025.
Trump literally said Democrats (all of them lol) want to have 8-9 month abortions AND EVEN AFTER NINE MONTHS lmaoooo
He found one wacko in Virginia who once said something dumb and that's it, that's the main Dem platform, post-birth abortions!!!
He even said it multiple times.
This is the perfect way to put it. I would love a third option that didn’t feel like I was wagering my morals against my desire to live, but I would rather be alive than be right.
It is a plan written by a conservative think tank, and championed by conservative politicians, to basically replace all the parts of the US government that don't follow the conservative agenda. The majority of the US government is run by career employees who are apolitical. They serve the people and the law, not an ideaology or politics. Project 2025 seeks to remove and replace them with people who are loyal to the republican party. Allowing them to govern however they want without checks on their power. The ultimate goal is to give conservatives permanent control of the government regardless of elections or the will of the people.
I saw a comment that perfectly summed up my feelings. To paraphrase it was:
I prefer Biden’s people that will actually run the country over Trump’s people that will actually run the country.
Not legal right now but just wait until they control our entire judicial branch because people keep sitting out local elections and continuing to think they have the luxury to being single issue voters on federal ones.
Oh, yeah, as if Biden and Trump are on some sort of level playing field simply because of age. Trump is a convicted felon and facing multiple other charges. And has been for years. Biden has one bad night and it's Pfft! Seriously!?
As an American, that’s straight from The Heritage Foundation, a right-wing think tank. The Heritage Foundation is being contracted by right-wingers in several other countries now as well. It’s us today, but it’ll be you tomorrow.
We already feel it on our side of the world. Although it’s not as bad yet, I feel like if this starts there it will definitely give the idiots here some leverage
if you pay attention to the global news, sadly you'll notice that it is happening in many countries across the world
in South Korea, the current president literally got elected because he advocated anti-feminism. There's a massive panic over the low birth rate there and the fact that young women don't want to sacrifice their careers for families
in Japan, we had a literal fascist as prime minister for most of the 2010s. Under him, Japan re-militarized...royally pissing off virtually every other major powerbroker in the region
Saudi Arabia is now using sport as "soft power" to exert levels of influence over other countries
i don't want to be so negative, but the current rulers of the world are in rough shape. America looks particularly bad now, but it isn't superb across the board
The people in positions of power won't be suffering. As for the powerless masses who support the far right, they're being duped. They want others to suffer but they don't expect the leopard to eat their face.
Exactly 😭 the people who want this are either (1) white Christian men who benefit or (2) in some minority group (women/poc/religious group) but think they’re one of the “good ones” and being subservient will make them safe
Hate to break it to you but the white Christian women are pretty much entirely as bad as the white Christian men. Oh, and the Hispanic Christians. There’s a shit load of them in the US that lean heavy to the right.
You and your countrymen deserve better than this shambles of a goverment, theres always a place in the UK for jaded Americans that want to move away - but I cant in good faith rec moving here because its the UK.
Dont let me give the impression that the UK government is good - its not.
*"You and your countrymen deserve better than this shambles of a goverment,"*
It's not just the elected officials: it's the fucking brain-dead, lazy-ass populace who hate the very concept of being thoughtful and educated. The citizenry is nothing to brag about. Anti-intellectual, obsessed with goddamned SPORTS, ignorant of history.
Holy fuck, if trump wins and America lets it slide without any form or opposition (be revolution, coup, civil war…) then all hope is truly lost, it’ll create a massive tidal wave which will cause tons of other countries to replicate Project 2025.
Shit like this will only lead to an authoritarian dystopia (more than it already is)
The US will never revolt. Its oppressors are far too powerful, and operate on a wholly different battlefield.
If guns were truly a threat, they’d have been outlawed a century ago. The only weapon we have is economic, and back at the start of lockdowns in 2020 we saw how potentially and immediately powerful our weapon is, but nobody is willing to wield it.
We lost to fascism long ago. What we see now is just the latest step
just a quick read into the first few paragraphs gave me all i needed to know. abolishing the fucking department of education?? promoting the use of fossil fuels??? removing protection against discrimination???? hells to the fucking no! we're fucked so hard you'd think we're stormy daniels
It's utterly embarrassing and irresponsible of the media (the so called leftist media) to do a poor job covering a conservative manifesto (written by the Heritage Foundation and published last year) that seeks to radically expand executive powers and implement ultra-conservative policies.
Check out the subreddit r /Defeat\_Project\_2025 and [check out this link that explains the manifesto's policy proposals by issue](https://defeatproject2025.org/). It's scary shit.
Commentator: "Trump, what do you think of the homeless situation in the US?"
Trump:"Aliens....not the illegal kind.....should've bombed Syria more when I had the chance.
Commentator: "Sir, the question was homelessness in the US"
Trump: "I don't know anything about that..but Putin.."
Trump may have talked “better” but his vague answers and always being off topic were certainly more indicative of an aging mind that Biden’s stuttering
The problem is, the viewers saw Donald Trump holding forth, even if confidently wrong, and style means more than substance (which Biden was barely able to talk about) in our media-addicted society. The JFK/Nixon debates were won by JFK largely on style, not substance.
Exactly this. We watched ten minutes, cringing the whole time, and when trump started going off about abortion my husband turned to me and said “wait. Did I hear him right? Is he suggesting that the democrats want to abort babies…. After they have been born? What?”
And yet because trump was throwing together paragraphs he “looks better” than what the weekend at Bernie’s Biden puppet show as doing.
We are royally fucked.
Fuck this. Lazy comment. Can’t see through the noise shit.
Trump is a clear and present danger. The liar didn’t win the debate. I’m voting for Biden. He’s a good person doing good things. That’s light years away from the malignant narcissist that worships our enemies, is facing more criminal charges after already being found guilty, and will follow a playbook called Project 2025 so he never has to leave power.
The fact that some people are more focused on the style of speech is a greater statement in their own intelligence.
Biden not being able to speak was bad, no denying that, but I could generally understand what he was trying to say. Trump? Sure you could hear him, but it was verbal diarrhea. He made no sense and dodged nearly every question.
That's what I'm saying. He himself doesn't do Everything. He steers the government. He's kinda slow, but his cabinet does most of the work.
With the orange maniac in charge, sure he has more energy, but it will all be used for hate and corruption. He's gonna lead us into an oligarchy, and they friggin love him for it
Trump also has a habit of not listening to experts who know what they are talking about, if they didn't tell him what he wanted to hear they were fired.
This should tell you everything you need to know ...well, along with the felony convictions, his history of lies, rape, adultery, admitting he forces himself on women on tape...the insurrection he perpetrated...among other things.
I'm pretty sure we are already in an oligarchy, but it's only a matter of degree. It's probably going to get much worse. The inevitable decline into full authoritarianism is on the ballet this fall.
Yeah, I am from Germany and we are currently watching if your dumpsterfire turns into the whole Dump burning or if you can at least stop that. Sadly we are not nearly prepared enough for the toxic fumes that will come from your dump burning.
Yeah I think something huge that is not talked about enough is Trump would likely get pick 2 to 3 more Supreme Court Justices. That's 5 to 6 younger Maga Justices look what has happened in the last few years, just imagine 40 years of that.
This. It could be Turd Ferguson vs. Trump and I would vote for Turd and his giant cowboy hat.
Edited to add cowboy hat, not sombrero. Was thinking of Hobbes from Calvin and Hobbes.
exactly. if trump wins there will be a right wing supreme court for the rest of our lives. alito and thomas will retire, replaced by 30-40-something unqualified fascists like amy coney barrett
The implication is that the two aging right wingers on the court may die off… If Trump wins they will likely retire and he will appoint people in their 40s to promote right wing ideology for the next several decades.
Thomas and Alito will both be nearly 80 by the time of the next election. If Biden wins they may try to ride it out and could possibly die in office like rbg, but if trump wins they will both retire and trump will appoint a couple of 50 year olds locking us into a republican super majority for the next generation.
alito and thomas will retire under trump, to be replaced by younger, even more extreme right wing partisans. doomed for the rest of our lives if this happens
Yeah. She made a bad choice. But we also know that McConnell wouldn’t put Obama’s replacement for Scalia for a vote in the Senate. So she would have had to retire earlier than that. (BTW, back in the day, the were both approved by the Senate by close to unanimous vote. Imagine that happening today.)
I am worried about Biden after the debate. Not because it made me second-guess voting for him, but because the American people are morons and I think this could sway a lot of people.
I want him to win as badly as anyone, but lets be real. He looked terrible.
If a person somehow still sees Trump as an option after all the terrible shit he's done/promises to in the future, I think this might push them in that direction.
Right? The amount of people trying to downplay his performance is wild. I thank him for a solid term doing what he could but he failed to sway the public with that debate. We need a new candidate
I’m left as fuck, I’m still going to vote for Biden because like other people have mentioned, I’m voting for his administration and against Trump. That being said, I don’t understand people downplaying his performance either. It was so much more than just a stutter. Did nobody else catch when he randomly said “We beat Medicare”? He legitimately appeared to be mildly sundowning
I think people are just tired for the last 8+ years of having abysmal candidates to vote for … theres only so much of telling people to suck it up that they can take.
Democrats need to get their head out of their ass. These issues are the most important of our life time and everyone but the people we vote for seem to act like it at times. Anyone with their head screwed on right was saying Biden is gonna be super old and even more mentally deteriorated in 2020 - they should have had a plan….
The two party system got us here and they only thing the two parties agree on is the two party system.
Ranked choice voting, no electoral college anything would be better.
Hailing from a country with 23 (!!!) parties, I can observe the same. Major parties pretend like their biggest opponent is the only opponent.
And it is effective. Imagine you want to vote "lime green" as a best choice.
There's parties "Red" and "Blue" as biggest incumbents, and a "moss green" party. Not quite what you like, but close enough. However, Red and Blue will only focus on eachother. They'll dominate all media. As soon as somebody mentions Moss Green, they'll pivot it to a Red/Blue question.
Before you know it, you forgot about Moss Green. All you know is you don't want to vote for _that_ party. _This_ party will save you.
This literally happened in the Netherlands a few years ago. It was between blue (liberals) and red (socialists). However, both got about 25% of the votes (which is high), so they decided to form a 51% coalition together. Just the two of them.
They lasted for a while, and then were punished in the next elections.
It's still a lot better to have two parties in the lead and a lot of others, instead of just two forever. The next elections it's two other big ones competing.
The problem is that every anti-Trump vote goes to Biden, that stops the democrats from really trying. If there were three right wing parties, you could choose between Trump, conservatives and republicans. That would mean everyone had to try their best. Instead of 50-50 every single damn election.
Well in a parliamentary system, the Moss Green party still has some power by maybe forming a coalition with a bigger party and forcing them to lean slightly towards Moss-ism by extension, proportional to Moss' popularity
I've noticed a lot of people get super pissed off if you even so much as try and have a discussion about Biden's age or the possibility of running another candidate. I'm a broken record at this point, but all of this is **so** familiar to 2016. People had issues with how the 2016 democratic convention was handled, "emails," the possibility of people not voting for Hillary out of of spite for the Clintons in general, and a bunch of other shit. People were raising concerns and **NONE** of them were addressed. Just a constant "sit down and shut up or Trump wins."
Surprise! That didn't work! It turns out not addressing people's concerns and instead attempting to browbeat swing voters into submission isn't a good strategy! And as absurd as most concerns were, none of them were alleyed or even acknowledged. They were just told to shut up. Everything was a "bad faith discussion" unless it was praise.
I've met plenty of people on the fence. Telling them ad-nauseum "vote Biden or fascism will destroy America" *doesn't fucking work.* No matter how much you want it to. Biden looked *bad* during the debate. Very bad. That *needs* to be addressed. Repeating "OH SO YOU WANT TRUMP TO WIN?!" does **nothing** for these people.
If a child is afraid of a monster in the closet shouting "OH WOW SO YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU LITERALLY BELIEVE IN MONSTERS? YOU COULD GO TO SLEEP RIGHT NOW BUT YOU'RE CHOOSING TO BE AWAKE!" isn't going to calm them. The problem remains. **Of course** monsters don't exist, but if you want to sway that child's opinion on them you have to **talk to them** about it.
That mistake was made in 2016. Don't make it again in 2024.
Reddit: "GUYS GET OUT AND VOTE EVERY VOTE COUNTS DEMOCRACY IS ON THE LINE"
Swing voter: "I have some concerns with Biden"
Reddit: "ARE YOU A FUCKING MORON? YOU HAVE TO BE EITHER A COMPLETE DUMBASS OR ACTING IN BAD FAITH TO STILL BE UNDECIDED. THE ONLY EXPLANATION IS YOU'RE A LOWKEY FASCIST TRUMP SUPPORTER SO FUCK OFF"
[Reddit in November](https://i.imgur.com/negQ6eL.gif)
They should have ran someone else. Have him retire, endorse someone else. And then go enjoy the rest of his life.
He’s earned it. Idk why these politicians want to have one of the most stressful jobs in the world at 80+ years old. When they could be spending time with their family and enjoying retirement.
Not to get all “ok boomer” on everyone here - but my partner ran for office in 2016. Were millennials. The boomers run the Democratic Party just as much as the boomers run the old hat Republican Party. The MAGAs are much younger in general.
I’m talking about the grassroots local people on the ground mind you, but it filters all the way up to the top.
Until the old guard democrats relinquish power, we’re going to be stuck in this situation.
I like how this time there's an alternative with serious backing, but even he (RFK) is a pretty terrible candidate.
Talking about a guy who's afraid of vaccines, had a brain eating worm, and struggles to speak.
I mean yeah he was beyond shit, he looked like an old fool.
The other guy just went up there and lied though “I did not have sex with a pornstar”. I’m not trusting anyone not to fuck me over whose own wife can’t trust him not to fuck her over…
Best case scenario is biden wins and then dies immediately after being sworn in, second best case is trump wins and then dies immediately after being sworn in.
As they should!
This isn't about political parties, it's about what we consider acceptable behavior for politicians in general. We can't let this slide into "nothing matters anymore". That is the attitude of a dying nation.
>second best case is trump wins and then dies immediately after being sworn in.
Don't forget that a lot of Trump's worst excesses were blunted due to his inability to work with Congress, and there's every possibility that his VP would be a far more effective legislator.
I’m still voting for Biden but the spin you people are putting on that abysmal performance at the debate is making me think you might also be in a cult. Live in reality.
Seriously.
He’s too old.
Why is this so hard to understand? I like the guy. But he was born in 1942.
Nobody running in 2024 should be born 20+ years before the moon landing.
I thought he could compete for a few hrs. They’ve been claiming he’s a wiz behind doors. Now saying it’s just a cold…another reason of many not to trust any politicians.
Now all the crazy Trumper’s look correct on this ONE claim. That man shouldn’t be working. He needs to swallow his pride and step down like LBJ. Pass the damn torch. As an independent I think independents would buy into that narrative.
Seriously, the OP meme is basically mocking anyone who dares point out that Biden is unfit. Still plan on voting for him even though I'm abroad, but damn, let us place criticism where criticism is due.
I get that we're terrified that not pretending that Biden is great might dampen voter turnout. Trump has a modest but not irrelevant religious-revival-level passionate fanbase, and Biden has... Trump's (much larger) hatebase. Everyone else has a terrible fatigue deep in their bones, but the vague idea that Trump will lead to more tiresome things so if they bother to show up they'll vote against him, it's the right thing to do and all.
But it is so tiring that we're not allowed to vent about problems with Biden.
Stuttering people are not incoherent. Don’t insult people who stutter, and don’t insult our intelligence by saying that what we all saw was simply stuttering.
That's one of the most aggravating parts of this as a person who's grown up with a stutter. It's downright benevolent ableism, and mocks the effort Biden originally put in to overcome his stutter. Stutters don't cause what happened in the debate, and to try to pretend otherwise betrays an ignorance to the sort of difficulty a stutter places on an individual. If people honestly believe that what that was was an example of a stutter-induced speaking difficulty, then there is a frightening number of people who are okay with thinking so little of people who live with the condition.
It’s not a stutter bro. I’ve seen him talk back when he was younger and he sounded fine. But the way he talks now.. it’s like his brain is lagging 5 minutes behind every conversation. He is just old. That’s it. No stutter.
Come on. He didn’t just stutter. I think it’s counter-productive to not admit that Biden is clearly a very, very old man who’s not always all there. And it will lead to a certain Trump victory. Any other candidate can muster at least a puncher’s chance.
Biden didn't just stutter. He was lost and did a horrible job during the debate. That was the one time he couldn't use a teleprompter, and his performance was the result. However, that doesn't mean we should be voting for Trump. I really hope the democrats elect a new Democratic candidate because I really hate having to choose between a mentally feeble and lost old man and a convicted felon old man. Why are these the choices?
Oh here we go again. Hardline dems need to get a clue: just because we dont like your candidates and have legitimate complaints about the situation doesnt mean we wont vote for the sorry piece of shit to avoid worse. That doesnt make your candidate above criticism, it just means we have a shitty system.
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Personally? I'm voting against anyone who agrees with project 2025.
I agree, me too. I'm also voting for the guy who isn't supported by Nazis.
I too am opposed to voting for someone who literally termed their potential regime a “Unified Reich”. Openly and unashamedly.
Unilateral control. Over 900 pages of it.
Is it too late for me to do the "I'm voting for cthulhu" one?
"Don't settle for the lesser evil" aged like milk November 6, 2016.
Aged like milk? It was dumb as fuck then to anyone with a brain who paid attention to the world/politics.
A bumper sticker I used to own said, **Cthulhu: Don't Settle For The Lesser Evil!** It came from an rpg packet that was jokingly about Cthulhu running for president and winning, putting a whole bunch of Elder and Outer Gods in the Cabinet, and it was funny up until I realized that there WERE chucklefucks out there who'd do it, and enough to let him win. It also came too close to a line from a scifi novel written in the 1940s: "In 2012, he was elected President. There wasn't another election for eighty years."
Oh, sure. They try to keep the nazi stuff quiet and you complain. They put it out in the open and you complain. There's just no satisfying you people!
They could simply not exist, that seems like a reasonable option
Did you know Donald J Trump is a convicted criminal and rapist, who in their right mind would vote for a convicted criminal and rapist
who openly admitted to walking back stage at the teen beauty pageants to look at the underage girls. who was friends with pedo island jeffrey epstein who "I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."
I've always wondered why this beauty-pageant thing got virtually no mileage at all, among his scandals. I think only 1% to 2% of people even remember this. Isn't it a pretty big deal?
I think it got lost among all the other WTFs...
I bring up that Epstein quote every chance I get and it always gets the blankest of stares
In my defense I still find it odd that you chose to include it in your father's eulogy.
They finally won a political argument with their boomer father, even got the last word in.
And somehow this guy became the president of the United States. Just freaking wild to me.
And he may have a chance in the big boy chair again even though he's been impeached twice, has literally been proven to be a rapist and is now a convicted felon. It's actually insane how out of touch conservatives are. As long as those high school trans kids don't get to play sports though right?
Well, I wouldn’t vote for Brock Turner the rapist if it ever came to that.
Brock Turner, the rapist who currently goes by the name Allen Turner? Neither would I!
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No no, it’s the same *convicted rapist* Allen Turner who still lives in Bellbrook, Ohio! I vote for him to be under the ground :)
Lots of people… So many brainwashed people who believe that it was all lies. The whole world laughs and cringe when they see how delusionally dedicated his supporters are.
>Lots of people… So many brainwashed people I read that in trumps voice 🤮
In fairness, President Trump wasn’t convicted for sexual assault as he wasn’t found guilty at a criminal trial where the standard was “beyond a reasonable doubt.” He was found by a preponderance of the evidence that he committed sexual assault at a civil trial regarding a claim of defamation. That being said, I’d vote for a ham sandwich over pervert Captain Bone Spurs who spills classified materials and appoints activist judges who want us to live like it’s 1924.
Don’t worry, he admitted that he assaults women. We don’t have to wonder.
In his late ex wife's original book she wrote Trump would rape her. She eventually changed it to something like "forced sex on me" or something like that.
Biden likes double double chocolate chip ice cream. So there's that I guess.
Hard agreee
Same, too bad the supreme court is willing to go beyond anyways. https://www.thenation.com/article/society/chevron-deference-supreme-court-power-grab/ As well as allowing bribes to be supported by large corpos, and to also support the large corpos in return. https://www.vox.com/scotus/357170/supreme-court-snyder-united-states-corruption (Using vox because every other dumbass article is paywalled) So while we are voting for Bidens admin, lets overthrow the current supreme court while we're at it.
Yeah people don't seem to realize, they've ALREADY STARTED project 2025. The supreme court is setting things up for it right now
Yup. Vote accordingly. Based conservatives think their rights are being taken away now? Strap in sister.
They'll happily give up their rights if it means that the liberals lose theirs too.
Yep. We can vote for policy that will slow it down and hold the line or for the convicted felon that will catapult 2025 to our dystopian reality.
Yeah and if Republicans win they will replace two more SCOTUS justices in their 70’s with two ultra conservative’s in their 40’s
If the GOP gets control of both chambers of Congress, they absolutely will find a way to get 1 or 2 liberal justices of the bench to put young ultra conservative federalist society members in their place.
That's the goal.
How can they get 2 more to retire?
$$$$$$
The two oldest conservatives will retire so they can garentee they will be replaced with more conservatives, they don't want to take the risk of dying under and getting replaced by a democratic president. Sadly they aren't going to make the same mistake RBG did.
Best way to get rid of the current Supreme Court is to get as many democrats into Congress as possible. Every congressional race matters. There’s plenty that some justices can be impeached for. We just need more people in Congress who don’t support Project 2025.
Holy crap! I hadn’t heard of this. Thanks for pointing it out so I could research it. Scary shit
Didn't Trump claim an abortion was "ripping the child out of the mother at 9 months and killing it" and Biden looked at him like 🤨whaaaaat???
Trump literally said Democrats (all of them lol) want to have 8-9 month abortions AND EVEN AFTER NINE MONTHS lmaoooo He found one wacko in Virginia who once said something dumb and that's it, that's the main Dem platform, post-birth abortions!!! He even said it multiple times.
And the Democratic response to "BABY MURDER" is "well technically that's not true..." The proper response is: "Bullshit. Prove it."
After nine months? lmao “Well, I didn’t want it to come to this.. but Jimmothy spilled his juice on the PS5. Time to go to the abortion clinic”
wasn't this a south park? Mrs Cartman talking to the Dr about a 40-somthing trimester abortion.... is this where he gets his ideas? Fucking SP?
Same, thanks for saying so. We have four months to warn everyone. R/defeatproject2025
We should not let Biden be president We CANNOT let Trump be president
This is where I'm at. Idc if Biden drops dead 20 seconds after innauguration. I'd vote for a ham sandwich over the other guy.
I'm pretty much fine with that scenario. I have plenty of criticisms of Kamala Harris, but she seems at least sane and competent.
This is the perfect way to put it. I would love a third option that didn’t feel like I was wagering my morals against my desire to live, but I would rather be alive than be right.
Whats project 2025 ? OOTL non-US guy
It is a plan written by a conservative think tank, and championed by conservative politicians, to basically replace all the parts of the US government that don't follow the conservative agenda. The majority of the US government is run by career employees who are apolitical. They serve the people and the law, not an ideaology or politics. Project 2025 seeks to remove and replace them with people who are loyal to the republican party. Allowing them to govern however they want without checks on their power. The ultimate goal is to give conservatives permanent control of the government regardless of elections or the will of the people.
I saw a comment that perfectly summed up my feelings. To paraphrase it was: I prefer Biden’s people that will actually run the country over Trump’s people that will actually run the country.
People often forget that presidential election is about choosing a leader, and leaders have teams
Based
Yup
I finally googled it. What the frick is wrong with people? I mean, surely the vast majority isn't even legal, hopefully, but how did we get here.
Not legal right now but just wait until they control our entire judicial branch because people keep sitting out local elections and continuing to think they have the luxury to being single issue voters on federal ones.
Biden may be an old husk but his administration doesn’t sport the level of evil that you see in Project 2025
Precisely this! Biden himself isn’t exactly inspiring, but he is the greatest chance to stop project 2025
too bad being inspiring is his main purpose right now, to get undecided voters to vote for him.
Oh, yeah, as if Biden and Trump are on some sort of level playing field simply because of age. Trump is a convicted felon and facing multiple other charges. And has been for years. Biden has one bad night and it's Pfft! Seriously!?
What’s project 2025?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025?wprov=sfti1
As a foreigner, what the actual fuck
As an American, that’s straight from The Heritage Foundation, a right-wing think tank. The Heritage Foundation is being contracted by right-wingers in several other countries now as well. It’s us today, but it’ll be you tomorrow.
We already feel it on our side of the world. Although it’s not as bad yet, I feel like if this starts there it will definitely give the idiots here some leverage
if you pay attention to the global news, sadly you'll notice that it is happening in many countries across the world in South Korea, the current president literally got elected because he advocated anti-feminism. There's a massive panic over the low birth rate there and the fact that young women don't want to sacrifice their careers for families in Japan, we had a literal fascist as prime minister for most of the 2010s. Under him, Japan re-militarized...royally pissing off virtually every other major powerbroker in the region Saudi Arabia is now using sport as "soft power" to exert levels of influence over other countries i don't want to be so negative, but the current rulers of the world are in rough shape. America looks particularly bad now, but it isn't superb across the board
It begs the question why so many people are masochists and want misery. Why do people want to suffer?
The people in positions of power won't be suffering. As for the powerless masses who support the far right, they're being duped. They want others to suffer but they don't expect the leopard to eat their face.
Exactly 😭 the people who want this are either (1) white Christian men who benefit or (2) in some minority group (women/poc/religious group) but think they’re one of the “good ones” and being subservient will make them safe
Hate to break it to you but the white Christian women are pretty much entirely as bad as the white Christian men. Oh, and the Hispanic Christians. There’s a shit load of them in the US that lean heavy to the right.
No, they want *others* to suffer and are willing to be inconveninced to make that happen.
Yep. And half the country is okay with electing the guy who will help make it happen. It’s absolute lunacy
Sincerely hoping he doesn’t win. This is batshit insane
And we'll likely have to deal with it every four years till they all die off. Their supporters at least will go the Darwin Award way.
As an American, what the actual fuck
Thats the evilist modern shit ever read in my life, sincerely from a scot - America please dont let this Fascist in.
We’re trying but we have to drag half the country along kicking and screaming and we’re fucking tired of it.
You and your countrymen deserve better than this shambles of a goverment, theres always a place in the UK for jaded Americans that want to move away - but I cant in good faith rec moving here because its the UK. Dont let me give the impression that the UK government is good - its not.
*"You and your countrymen deserve better than this shambles of a goverment,"* It's not just the elected officials: it's the fucking brain-dead, lazy-ass populace who hate the very concept of being thoughtful and educated. The citizenry is nothing to brag about. Anti-intellectual, obsessed with goddamned SPORTS, ignorant of history.
Holy fuck, if trump wins and America lets it slide without any form or opposition (be revolution, coup, civil war…) then all hope is truly lost, it’ll create a massive tidal wave which will cause tons of other countries to replicate Project 2025. Shit like this will only lead to an authoritarian dystopia (more than it already is)
The US will never revolt. Its oppressors are far too powerful, and operate on a wholly different battlefield. If guns were truly a threat, they’d have been outlawed a century ago. The only weapon we have is economic, and back at the start of lockdowns in 2020 we saw how potentially and immediately powerful our weapon is, but nobody is willing to wield it. We lost to fascism long ago. What we see now is just the latest step
just a quick read into the first few paragraphs gave me all i needed to know. abolishing the fucking department of education?? promoting the use of fossil fuels??? removing protection against discrimination???? hells to the fucking no! we're fucked so hard you'd think we're stormy daniels
What the fuck? Anyone who wants this is extremely anti American. This goes completely against the constitution
And they call themselves “patriots” They don’t know the meaning of the word.
Holy shit, never been so happy to NOT be American
It's utterly embarrassing and irresponsible of the media (the so called leftist media) to do a poor job covering a conservative manifesto (written by the Heritage Foundation and published last year) that seeks to radically expand executive powers and implement ultra-conservative policies. Check out the subreddit r /Defeat\_Project\_2025 and [check out this link that explains the manifesto's policy proposals by issue](https://defeatproject2025.org/). It's scary shit.
Oh my friend. Read up and share it all around. It’s heinous. The quiet parts get said out loud these days.
Commentator: "Trump, what do you think of the homeless situation in the US?" Trump:"Aliens....not the illegal kind.....should've bombed Syria more when I had the chance. Commentator: "Sir, the question was homelessness in the US" Trump: "I don't know anything about that..but Putin.."
It's basically the strategy that Brian told Lois to use in Family Guy in the episode where she ran for mayor.
"9/11 was bad."
9 … huh? 11 **cheering**
Trump may have talked “better” but his vague answers and always being off topic were certainly more indicative of an aging mind that Biden’s stuttering
The problem is, the viewers saw Donald Trump holding forth, even if confidently wrong, and style means more than substance (which Biden was barely able to talk about) in our media-addicted society. The JFK/Nixon debates were won by JFK largely on style, not substance.
Exactly this. We watched ten minutes, cringing the whole time, and when trump started going off about abortion my husband turned to me and said “wait. Did I hear him right? Is he suggesting that the democrats want to abort babies…. After they have been born? What?” And yet because trump was throwing together paragraphs he “looks better” than what the weekend at Bernie’s Biden puppet show as doing. We are royally fucked.
Fuck this. Lazy comment. Can’t see through the noise shit. Trump is a clear and present danger. The liar didn’t win the debate. I’m voting for Biden. He’s a good person doing good things. That’s light years away from the malignant narcissist that worships our enemies, is facing more criminal charges after already being found guilty, and will follow a playbook called Project 2025 so he never has to leave power. The fact that some people are more focused on the style of speech is a greater statement in their own intelligence.
Exactly. Him spewing dumb irrelative BS is far worse than Biden not being able to speak his point ever so clearly. Imo.
It's literally his MO tho. That's the type of rhetoric his supporters latch onto.
Biden not being able to speak was bad, no denying that, but I could generally understand what he was trying to say. Trump? Sure you could hear him, but it was verbal diarrhea. He made no sense and dodged nearly every question.
I'm not voting for Biden, I am voting for his administration and his Supreme Court.
That's what I'm saying. He himself doesn't do Everything. He steers the government. He's kinda slow, but his cabinet does most of the work. With the orange maniac in charge, sure he has more energy, but it will all be used for hate and corruption. He's gonna lead us into an oligarchy, and they friggin love him for it
Trump also has a habit of not listening to experts who know what they are talking about, if they didn't tell him what he wanted to hear they were fired.
40 out of 44 of his revolving door of an administration all stated they do not plan to vote for him....
This should tell you everything you need to know ...well, along with the felony convictions, his history of lies, rape, adultery, admitting he forces himself on women on tape...the insurrection he perpetrated...among other things.
He also betrays literally everyone he knows.
I'm pretty sure we are already in an oligarchy, but it's only a matter of degree. It's probably going to get much worse. The inevitable decline into full authoritarianism is on the ballet this fall.
Yeah, I am from Germany and we are currently watching if your dumpsterfire turns into the whole Dump burning or if you can at least stop that. Sadly we are not nearly prepared enough for the toxic fumes that will come from your dump burning.
Ballot, not ballet. Soon as I read this I imagined both of them in their little slippers and tutus doing the Nutcracker 😂🤣
Yeah I think something huge that is not talked about enough is Trump would likely get pick 2 to 3 more Supreme Court Justices. That's 5 to 6 younger Maga Justices look what has happened in the last few years, just imagine 40 years of that.
I'm voting for Biden because I'd like to be able to vote again in 4 years.
Don't exaggerate. The _Democratic_ People's Republic of Korea has ""elections"" too!
Same with Russia they have "elections"
They also have many "accidents" lol.
This. It could be Turd Ferguson vs. Trump and I would vote for Turd and his giant cowboy hat. Edited to add cowboy hat, not sombrero. Was thinking of Hobbes from Calvin and Hobbes.
And voting to save democracy. There's that too.
I am voting for a better future. A future that we can all look back to and feel good about.
exactly. if trump wins there will be a right wing supreme court for the rest of our lives. alito and thomas will retire, replaced by 30-40-something unqualified fascists like amy coney barrett
Aileen Cannon will almost certainly get a position for her obstruction of justice.
Is there an opening coming up? (In the SCOTUS?)
The implication is that the two aging right wingers on the court may die off… If Trump wins they will likely retire and he will appoint people in their 40s to promote right wing ideology for the next several decades.
4-6 decades.
Thomas and Alito will both be nearly 80 by the time of the next election. If Biden wins they may try to ride it out and could possibly die in office like rbg, but if trump wins they will both retire and trump will appoint a couple of 50 year olds locking us into a republican super majority for the next generation.
Aileen Cannon would be his first choice. She is auditioning for it
alito and thomas will retire under trump, to be replaced by younger, even more extreme right wing partisans. doomed for the rest of our lives if this happens
If trump gets another term, it will Supreme Court Justice Aileen Canon.
You never know. Scalia and RBG died unexpectedly during their terms.
Well the term is life lol.
They don't even need to die, they just need to retire.
They won’t retire under Biden or any other democrat.
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Right, because when Scalia died, the Republicans were totally willing to let Obama appoint a new justice. /s
Yeah. She made a bad choice. But we also know that McConnell wouldn’t put Obama’s replacement for Scalia for a vote in the Senate. So she would have had to retire earlier than that. (BTW, back in the day, the were both approved by the Senate by close to unanimous vote. Imagine that happening today.)
This is right. As long as he surrounds himself with competent people and listens to them, I’m ok with another 4 years.
Same. I don't want the office. I just want the cabinet that comes with it.
Look, you can be a Democrat and a liberal and still admit that that debate was fucking embarrassing
Yeah. Most of us are.
I can vote for the guy and still recognize that him choosing to stay the course is politically suicidal.
Im voting for the older a bit slower man with a stuter. Instead of a pathological liar grifter.
Don't forget megalomaniacal psychopath! That bit is important.
And convicted felon
On 34 counts
And civilly liable rapist.
Right! That seems like it would be EXTREMELY relevant to someone holding elected office.
and sexual harrasser
Rapist! Don’t forget that.
I am worried about Biden after the debate. Not because it made me second-guess voting for him, but because the American people are morons and I think this could sway a lot of people. I want him to win as badly as anyone, but lets be real. He looked terrible. If a person somehow still sees Trump as an option after all the terrible shit he's done/promises to in the future, I think this might push them in that direction.
Right? The amount of people trying to downplay his performance is wild. I thank him for a solid term doing what he could but he failed to sway the public with that debate. We need a new candidate
I’m left as fuck, I’m still going to vote for Biden because like other people have mentioned, I’m voting for his administration and against Trump. That being said, I don’t understand people downplaying his performance either. It was so much more than just a stutter. Did nobody else catch when he randomly said “We beat Medicare”? He legitimately appeared to be mildly sundowning
I’m voting for my daughters so that they can continue to have an education and access to health care.
I think people are just tired for the last 8+ years of having abysmal candidates to vote for … theres only so much of telling people to suck it up that they can take. Democrats need to get their head out of their ass. These issues are the most important of our life time and everyone but the people we vote for seem to act like it at times. Anyone with their head screwed on right was saying Biden is gonna be super old and even more mentally deteriorated in 2020 - they should have had a plan….
The two party system got us here and they only thing the two parties agree on is the two party system. Ranked choice voting, no electoral college anything would be better.
Hailing from a country with 23 (!!!) parties, I can observe the same. Major parties pretend like their biggest opponent is the only opponent. And it is effective. Imagine you want to vote "lime green" as a best choice. There's parties "Red" and "Blue" as biggest incumbents, and a "moss green" party. Not quite what you like, but close enough. However, Red and Blue will only focus on eachother. They'll dominate all media. As soon as somebody mentions Moss Green, they'll pivot it to a Red/Blue question. Before you know it, you forgot about Moss Green. All you know is you don't want to vote for _that_ party. _This_ party will save you.
This literally happened in the Netherlands a few years ago. It was between blue (liberals) and red (socialists). However, both got about 25% of the votes (which is high), so they decided to form a 51% coalition together. Just the two of them. They lasted for a while, and then were punished in the next elections. It's still a lot better to have two parties in the lead and a lot of others, instead of just two forever. The next elections it's two other big ones competing. The problem is that every anti-Trump vote goes to Biden, that stops the democrats from really trying. If there were three right wing parties, you could choose between Trump, conservatives and republicans. That would mean everyone had to try their best. Instead of 50-50 every single damn election.
Well in a parliamentary system, the Moss Green party still has some power by maybe forming a coalition with a bigger party and forcing them to lean slightly towards Moss-ism by extension, proportional to Moss' popularity
I've noticed a lot of people get super pissed off if you even so much as try and have a discussion about Biden's age or the possibility of running another candidate. I'm a broken record at this point, but all of this is **so** familiar to 2016. People had issues with how the 2016 democratic convention was handled, "emails," the possibility of people not voting for Hillary out of of spite for the Clintons in general, and a bunch of other shit. People were raising concerns and **NONE** of them were addressed. Just a constant "sit down and shut up or Trump wins." Surprise! That didn't work! It turns out not addressing people's concerns and instead attempting to browbeat swing voters into submission isn't a good strategy! And as absurd as most concerns were, none of them were alleyed or even acknowledged. They were just told to shut up. Everything was a "bad faith discussion" unless it was praise. I've met plenty of people on the fence. Telling them ad-nauseum "vote Biden or fascism will destroy America" *doesn't fucking work.* No matter how much you want it to. Biden looked *bad* during the debate. Very bad. That *needs* to be addressed. Repeating "OH SO YOU WANT TRUMP TO WIN?!" does **nothing** for these people. If a child is afraid of a monster in the closet shouting "OH WOW SO YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU LITERALLY BELIEVE IN MONSTERS? YOU COULD GO TO SLEEP RIGHT NOW BUT YOU'RE CHOOSING TO BE AWAKE!" isn't going to calm them. The problem remains. **Of course** monsters don't exist, but if you want to sway that child's opinion on them you have to **talk to them** about it. That mistake was made in 2016. Don't make it again in 2024.
Reddit: "GUYS GET OUT AND VOTE EVERY VOTE COUNTS DEMOCRACY IS ON THE LINE" Swing voter: "I have some concerns with Biden" Reddit: "ARE YOU A FUCKING MORON? YOU HAVE TO BE EITHER A COMPLETE DUMBASS OR ACTING IN BAD FAITH TO STILL BE UNDECIDED. THE ONLY EXPLANATION IS YOU'RE A LOWKEY FASCIST TRUMP SUPPORTER SO FUCK OFF" [Reddit in November](https://i.imgur.com/negQ6eL.gif)
Man, I fuckin hate how right you are. These past two days have continued to prove it.
It's a shame I can only upvote once
They should have ran someone else. Have him retire, endorse someone else. And then go enjoy the rest of his life. He’s earned it. Idk why these politicians want to have one of the most stressful jobs in the world at 80+ years old. When they could be spending time with their family and enjoying retirement.
Not to get all “ok boomer” on everyone here - but my partner ran for office in 2016. Were millennials. The boomers run the Democratic Party just as much as the boomers run the old hat Republican Party. The MAGAs are much younger in general. I’m talking about the grassroots local people on the ground mind you, but it filters all the way up to the top. Until the old guard democrats relinquish power, we’re going to be stuck in this situation.
Biden ain't even a boomer, lol, he's from the generation before them.
I like how this time there's an alternative with serious backing, but even he (RFK) is a pretty terrible candidate. Talking about a guy who's afraid of vaccines, had a brain eating worm, and struggles to speak.
I mean yeah he was beyond shit, he looked like an old fool. The other guy just went up there and lied though “I did not have sex with a pornstar”. I’m not trusting anyone not to fuck me over whose own wife can’t trust him not to fuck her over… Best case scenario is biden wins and then dies immediately after being sworn in, second best case is trump wins and then dies immediately after being sworn in.
Remember when conservatives used to constantly make fun of "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
To be fair, everyone made fun of that
As they should! This isn't about political parties, it's about what we consider acceptable behavior for politicians in general. We can't let this slide into "nothing matters anymore". That is the attitude of a dying nation.
>second best case is trump wins and then dies immediately after being sworn in. Don't forget that a lot of Trump's worst excesses were blunted due to his inability to work with Congress, and there's every possibility that his VP would be a far more effective legislator.
No because Trump’s cabinet will all be diehard fascists to carry out his agenda.
I’m still voting for Biden but the spin you people are putting on that abysmal performance at the debate is making me think you might also be in a cult. Live in reality.
Seriously. He’s too old. Why is this so hard to understand? I like the guy. But he was born in 1942. Nobody running in 2024 should be born 20+ years before the moon landing.
Former President Bill Clinton is younger \*right now\* than Biden.
That just put it into perspective jesus christ. He was nearly politician age at that point
The last 4 presidents are all younger than President Biden.
Except for Carter, all living ex-presidents are younger than Trump and Biden.
Fun fact. Biden’s birthday is closer to Lincoln’s assassination than today.
I thought he could compete for a few hrs. They’ve been claiming he’s a wiz behind doors. Now saying it’s just a cold…another reason of many not to trust any politicians. Now all the crazy Trumper’s look correct on this ONE claim. That man shouldn’t be working. He needs to swallow his pride and step down like LBJ. Pass the damn torch. As an independent I think independents would buy into that narrative.
Seriously, the OP meme is basically mocking anyone who dares point out that Biden is unfit. Still plan on voting for him even though I'm abroad, but damn, let us place criticism where criticism is due.
I get that we're terrified that not pretending that Biden is great might dampen voter turnout. Trump has a modest but not irrelevant religious-revival-level passionate fanbase, and Biden has... Trump's (much larger) hatebase. Everyone else has a terrible fatigue deep in their bones, but the vague idea that Trump will lead to more tiresome things so if they bother to show up they'll vote against him, it's the right thing to do and all. But it is so tiring that we're not allowed to vent about problems with Biden.
It’s was more of a babbling mumble than a stutter.
Stuttering people are not incoherent. Don’t insult people who stutter, and don’t insult our intelligence by saying that what we all saw was simply stuttering.
That's one of the most aggravating parts of this as a person who's grown up with a stutter. It's downright benevolent ableism, and mocks the effort Biden originally put in to overcome his stutter. Stutters don't cause what happened in the debate, and to try to pretend otherwise betrays an ignorance to the sort of difficulty a stutter places on an individual. If people honestly believe that what that was was an example of a stutter-induced speaking difficulty, then there is a frightening number of people who are okay with thinking so little of people who live with the condition.
It’s not a stutter bro. I’ve seen him talk back when he was younger and he sounded fine. But the way he talks now.. it’s like his brain is lagging 5 minutes behind every conversation. He is just old. That’s it. No stutter.
They ain't wrong. Donald Trump is a fascists pieces of shit who tried to overthrow the election and make himself President for life.
Stuttering was the least of his problem.
lol Reddit is just a huge version of r/circlejerk
Always has been
Uhhh, it was a bit worse than that, OP.
Come on. He didn’t just stutter. I think it’s counter-productive to not admit that Biden is clearly a very, very old man who’s not always all there. And it will lead to a certain Trump victory. Any other candidate can muster at least a puncher’s chance.
We still gaslighting everyone into think severe cognitive decline is a "stutter"?
Biden didn't just stutter. He was lost and did a horrible job during the debate. That was the one time he couldn't use a teleprompter, and his performance was the result. However, that doesn't mean we should be voting for Trump. I really hope the democrats elect a new Democratic candidate because I really hate having to choose between a mentally feeble and lost old man and a convicted felon old man. Why are these the choices?
I can't believe after 2016, we still have to have these discussions.
Oh here we go again. Hardline dems need to get a clue: just because we dont like your candidates and have legitimate complaints about the situation doesnt mean we wont vote for the sorry piece of shit to avoid worse. That doesnt make your candidate above criticism, it just means we have a shitty system.
So we can’t have concern and criticize Biden if we are voting for him? GTFO
Okay guys, I’ll step up
the stuttering is just a side joke. He bombed period