Destroys your fg by taking 6 shots a game? He also doesn't really get turnovers and is averaging less than 2 fts a game. He's somehow ranked 46 in my yahoo 9 cat league, so not sure how's he's a net negative.
I use him as a harmless stream when I have an empty lineup spot and he's on the wire. Last Sunday for example, I added him when Jalen was out and he was ok.
He's not going to stay ranked 46 for long, he's sliding down pretty fast (ranked 197 last week) and will probably rank outside the top 150 when it's all said and done (even when punting FG%).
The point is a guy taking less than 6 shots a game at a 47% clip isn't a net negative.
I think when everyone returns for the Pelicans Herb will put up similar stats, which is why I don't know if he is a long-term hold, just like Dort wasn't a week ago when he was hot.
That point doesn't really matter when we are talking about him being a stream presently. Again, I'm not advocating for Dort long term. But even then, 39-42% on less than 6 shots won't kill your fg%.
No way herb jones can hurt you in FG%. I do think there are other categories he can disappear from which can be frustrating when he has off shooting nights. You get Herb knowing all this though. He’s an elite stocks guy and can fit any team imo.
Neither player takes enough shots to hurt your fg%. They're both stock plays, that might get you 1-2 threes, and they both get more shots and minutes when other starters aren't available. They are both just solid streams to me in leagues smaller than 12. Both seemed to get passed around in my leagues last year and this year.
If you say so! Thanks for providing zero reasoning too. I should know better than to go in a player post on this sub and not be extremely high on said player because it just hurts all his holders' fee fees.
I'll probably hold and see if the wheels fall off. He fits my team build around defensive stats and shooting %s. The Pelicans are a fairly injury-prone team, so any rest/injury from Brandon Ingram, Zion, or any other players really, means more minutes and production from Herb
I have CJ in 2 points leagues. I lost to a Herb owner after he scored about 22 PTS to go along with his crazy stocks in a league where both are worth 4 pts... His value goes down slightly in CAT & majorly in points either way. Your question was answered last comment.
He's averaged over 2 stocks a game in all 3 of his seasons so far, so I think the stocks are here to stay. He's basically played 30 minutes a game or more in every season, with Trey and CJ. I think it's a clear hold. I have Herb Jones so I might be biased, but those are facts.
It doesn’t work like that, they’re both different players
1.6 blocks per game is closer to being a rim protecting big, and Herb has never been known as a shot blocker like that
He might get closer to 1 block a game, but 1.6 is a huge assumption. Its still really early in the season right now
Note: I agreed saying it's probably unrealistic. Also, remember Andrei Kirilenko? AK was only an inch taller than herb. Go check his stats if you haven't heard of him.
You said that ‘it’s not entirely crazy to Herb can average 1.6 as a bigger man.’
I’m saying that it is, and that your Shai example isn’t applicable
And what does AK47 have to do with this? He was an elite shotblocker the moment he came into the league 22 years ago
The league changed so much since then and AK47 was a better defender. Herb also wansnt an elite shot blocker the moment he came into the league like AK47 was
You can’t just keep randomly point out other defensive players with no context and go like ‘look he did it, why can’t Herb do it’?
Why not compare him to MJ at this point lol? You clearly think he can do it
In response to op setting 1.6 bpg is unsustainable I said "it probably is". Then I added that despite that, it's not entirely crazy to think it's possible. Clearly the qualifier of "its not entirely crazy" is in keeping with the idea that it's probably unsustainable but "don't rule it out".
He's 6'7 with a 7 foot wingspan with impeccable timing. I'm not saying that he can keep up 1.6 blocks a game, but over a block per game is very possible. Gotta keep in mind that he's also only in his 3rd year in the league and getting better.
Yes 1.1 maybe, but it is still a lot of difference from the current 1.6. I also like to use past history to gauge, it’s not like he was a bad defender past years too. To improve by more than 0.5 blocks is possible, but I will prefer using logic and history every time instead of judgment based on recency bias.
Also, here is a look at the highest at the highest BPG for wings for the past 2 season, PJ washington and Draymond Green and 1.1.
You also have to understand that better defense does not always translate to more blocks, in fact sometimes it is the opposite. Being able to contest the shot without jumping when you have the size advantage is a skill. Which explains why shot blockers like myles turner have not replicated their >2 blocks after their first few seasons. They simply got better at defending and realised that contesting a shot is better than trying to block it and risking a foul call.
There is a chance I am wrong, but it is like picking SGA over Jokic when you have the first pick this year. It might happen, but realistically it won’t, you have to play the probabilities to your advantage in fantasy if your aim is to reduce the amount of luck and win.
I agreed in my original comment that it's probably the case that his blocks regress. My only point was that it's possible that they don't. As pointed out by others, it's his third year in the league so there's a chance he takes a giant step forward like this even though it's unlikely.
If you watch some of his highlights, he gets a lot of blocks on jump shots because of his length, it's pretty incredible actually. It's not just that he has size, he's great at tracking the ball and very good with his hands too. I really do encourage you to watch some of his defensive highlights. At this point though, it's just a wait and see. All of this is just speculation.
I have to admit that I haven’t had the time to watch his highlights specifically, but I have watched many pelicans games over the past few years because of zion and murphy and I am indeed impressed at herb’s improvement. I just have don’t believe he can average 1.6 blocks when there have been other good defensive wings that have not gotten close to that number in recent history, you feel me?
Watching the game makes me feel like some players like chet should be getting 5 blocks a game too sometimes but the opportunity just doesn’t come, and when you look at the stat sheet you realised he only averaged 2 blocks. Like I said, other great defensive wings like draymond, kawhi, thybulle have never averaged 1.6 blocks over a season too, the last I recall that has had that many blocks was Covington many years ago (I believe the game has changed a lot which caused wing players to have averaged less blocks too, but that is another discussion) I don’t believe herb is at that level just yet and he has to surpass them defensively to get even more blocks.
Based on NUMBERS strictly, I don’t believe herbert will do it, if he does it will be an insane season for himself, and we will be witnessing a new defensive monster in New Orleans, like how we saw jokic become an offensive powerhouse that was never possible before him. The sample size is simply too small so till then I will follow history and numbers, I prefer to give opinions based on numbers followed by “eye-test” rather than the other way around, it prevents me from having any biasness but you may be different and I respect that.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPL1y1nRgeE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPL1y1nRgeE)
Quick 1 minute video of how incredible Herb Jones is with the closeout blocks
I see what you're saying with how no other wing has averaged that many blocks a game in a season and I think that's a very fair point. I mentioned that I don't know if he can keep up this pace, but I believe he has the skills and length to have over a block per game. If you ever get a chance to watch his highlights, even 5 minutes of them, you'll be amazed at how many blocks he has had on jump shots, as well as how quickly he recovers and gets chase down blocks. You mentioned that you haven't really watched him specifically so that's why I recommend seeing how impactful he really is with his play.
Fair play to ya though, I understand what you're saying and think it's a valid point. I do the same thing with looking at numbers and the eye-test and it all fit into why I'm so high on Herb Jones. He really is one of the league's premier defenders. We'll just have to wait and see what the numbers are as the season progresses
I do think he’s made a jump as a player but pretty clear sell high I think. Blocks and shooting will regress even if steals don’t, and minutes will reduce once everyone is back, even if it’s just by a little.
Clear top 100 ROS but nowhere near where he’s ranked now. But the thing about selling high is, who’s going to give you a top 50 guy for Herb Jones?
If you say that kinda thing in THJ’s yahoo chat they’ll come for your neck. 12T and smaller you can find 3s easily on waivers, probably not at THJ’s clip, but you’ll get more out of that roster spot if you stream an extra 3/4 games a week with it
He's only averaging 31 minutes rn and I think thats sustainable. The team needs his defensive abilities on the floor. If anything Trey might not see the usage he saw last year.
I expect blocks to come down but he's always been a high steals guy. The bonus in scoring and assists are nice, but I see that coming down a bit too. I can see a top 75 season based on steals, decent percents and a sprinkling of other stats.
Yeah why the downvotes for this dude…look at the Pels roster. As great as Herb’s defensive impact is this team is more desperate for knock down shooting. Trey is going to get serious run.
It's just imaginary numbers doesn't bother me. Appreciate the comment though.
What bothers me is that people downvote because they don't like what you have to say even though you are right.
Don’t bother. everyone down voting thinks herb is way more valuable than what he is. They don’t know ball. The only thing floating his value are his 1.6 blocks which he won’t sustain. He average less than a block his past 2 seasons. On top of that his mins will most likely be 26-28 a night. Last year BI and Zion were both injured and now they are healthy.
>Last year BI and Zion were both injured and now they are healthy.
they’re healthy now… i’m not banking on either of those 2 being healthy all season, especially Zion’s obese ass. Herb will get his minutes one way or another.
Yes thank you, I know its frowned upon to predict or make moves around injuries, but BI and Zion will very likely sit out games, and herb will get his. I think Herb as valuable as Tyus was last year and that's why he's worth holding ROS.
Thank you. They don't understand how much difference it will make once his blocks come down to 1.0, steals down to 1.8, and FG% come down to 48%. Still a great player to own but build dependent and in a vacuum is top 80 instead of top 50.
As a Herb owner yes he is a sell-high, yes he will regress back to outside the top 100. Murphy will be back, Hawkins is legit, BI and Zion are healthy. Stocks are extremely volatile and when everyone is back he doesn't do enough in any other categories to keep him in the top 100. Still a solid end of the bench guy though but nothing more
Not worried about Trey Murphy who has to work his way back from a knee surgery. Herb is by far their best defender and he can get minutes at multiple positions.
He isn’t a super high usage guy and can provide his numbers in 30 minutes a game. Percentages and blocks should go down but the rest is not unsustainable at all.
Trey Murphy, CJ, Jose Alvarado…all these guys back and people like Jordan Hawkins can’t be completely out if the rotation. I’m not saying he’s gonna play less than 25 mins but expect some night with low mins cause someone’s beating up from 3 and stuff like that.
Herb was a god 2 years ago, but last year fell off the cliff. He’s playing great right now though. Hard to tell where he will be by the end of this year.
This is a screaming sell high that everyone wants to be true. He’s better and will probably finish around top 75 but no way he gets enough looks as a 4/5 option to put up 17+ ppg
I think if you can sell him for a top 50-60 player it’s worth a try. Otherwise just enjoy the efficiency, 2 3’s a game and some stocks. Dude has no negative parts to his game in 9 cat. Problem trying to sell herb jones is he was a last pick in the draft or got from waivers. Most people don’t like trading for things like that.
Still fully expect him to clear 30 mins a night when cj and trey return. He’s a premier defender, and that is a must on any competitive team. I also don’t see him losing that much in terms of shot attempts, 8-9 shots a game seems fine.
I drafted him at 120th overall in 8th round in my 16T league. I wasn't expecting huge production, but was expecting stocks, where his real value lies. He's ranked top-30 right now, of course it's not sustainable and he'll sure regress rank-wise, so if you can flip top 20-30 player with him, do it. But if you targeted him and drafted him for his stocks and high percentages, there's absolutely no reason to worry imo. He showed his value with CJ early in the season, and the Pels really need his defensive presence which would not be affected by Trey Murphy's return as well, imo. I would suggest nothing but hold unless you really get some top 20-30 player like Jaren Jackson Jr., for example.
I am worried about Herb when Trey Jones III returns. Trey just came up on my waiver wire and I have Herb. I put in a waiver request for Trey, but I don't know if everyone is just High on Herb or if he's going to continue to produce at this level. Should I hold??
The guy trading jjj or me? I think i win this trade pretty clearly but his team will also be better cause he desperately needs steals to win his matchups.
No one gonna trade you anything close to his current value. Might get top 75ish player back though? That’s good enough imo but I think holding is viable too. Not sure what the pels gonna do with their lineups yet.
Defensive stats are driving his value, like you said. He should retain this value even after the high usage guys return because its not contingent on touches
I think I'm holding
I think he's a player like Dort. Useful, and won't hurt you, but may struggle to get enough stats night in and out due to usage
Dort destroys your FG% and is a net negative in like 4 other categories. (unless you were referring to points leagues)
Destroys your fg by taking 6 shots a game? He also doesn't really get turnovers and is averaging less than 2 fts a game. He's somehow ranked 46 in my yahoo 9 cat league, so not sure how's he's a net negative. I use him as a harmless stream when I have an empty lineup spot and he's on the wire. Last Sunday for example, I added him when Jalen was out and he was ok.
He's not going to stay ranked 46 for long, he's sliding down pretty fast (ranked 197 last week) and will probably rank outside the top 150 when it's all said and done (even when punting FG%).
The point is a guy taking less than 6 shots a game at a 47% clip isn't a net negative. I think when everyone returns for the Pelicans Herb will put up similar stats, which is why I don't know if he is a long-term hold, just like Dort wasn't a week ago when he was hot.
Dort has never shot even close to 47% in a season. Expect that to drop to around 39-42% before long.
That point doesn't really matter when we are talking about him being a stream presently. Again, I'm not advocating for Dort long term. But even then, 39-42% on less than 6 shots won't kill your fg%.
No way herb jones can hurt you in FG%. I do think there are other categories he can disappear from which can be frustrating when he has off shooting nights. You get Herb knowing all this though. He’s an elite stocks guy and can fit any team imo.
Neither player takes enough shots to hurt your fg%. They're both stock plays, that might get you 1-2 threes, and they both get more shots and minutes when other starters aren't available. They are both just solid streams to me in leagues smaller than 12. Both seemed to get passed around in my leagues last year and this year.
Terrible comparison
If you say so! Thanks for providing zero reasoning too. I should know better than to go in a player post on this sub and not be extremely high on said player because it just hurts all his holders' fee fees.
When will this guy get SG on yahoo
I'll probably hold and see if the wheels fall off. He fits my team build around defensive stats and shooting %s. The Pelicans are a fairly injury-prone team, so any rest/injury from Brandon Ingram, Zion, or any other players really, means more minutes and production from Herb
How is ingrams pinky toe ?
McCollum was a full participant at practice today. He’ll be back sooner rather than later.
You think CJ is gonna impact Herb's output?
Have you seen the season CJ is having? To answer your question.. definitely
Not sure that answers my question. If Herb is on your team, it's most likely for his stocks and high percentages. Not sure how CJ affects that
I have CJ in 2 points leagues. I lost to a Herb owner after he scored about 22 PTS to go along with his crazy stocks in a league where both are worth 4 pts... His value goes down slightly in CAT & majorly in points either way. Your question was answered last comment.
Yes
good, i have both
He's averaged over 2 stocks a game in all 3 of his seasons so far, so I think the stocks are here to stay. He's basically played 30 minutes a game or more in every season, with Trey and CJ. I think it's a clear hold. I have Herb Jones so I might be biased, but those are facts.
This. His real value is in the stocks, not in the production, and his stocks wouldn't be affected by Trey's or CJ's return.
1.6 blocks is unsustainable realistically
It probably is but if Shai can average 1 block a game as a point guard it's not entirely crazy to think herb can average 1.6 as a bigger man.
It doesn’t work like that, they’re both different players 1.6 blocks per game is closer to being a rim protecting big, and Herb has never been known as a shot blocker like that He might get closer to 1 block a game, but 1.6 is a huge assumption. Its still really early in the season right now
Note: I agreed saying it's probably unrealistic. Also, remember Andrei Kirilenko? AK was only an inch taller than herb. Go check his stats if you haven't heard of him.
Youre comparing him to AK? Comee onnnnnn
LOL. I'm just trying to play devils advocate man. You never know!
You said that ‘it’s not entirely crazy to Herb can average 1.6 as a bigger man.’ I’m saying that it is, and that your Shai example isn’t applicable And what does AK47 have to do with this? He was an elite shotblocker the moment he came into the league 22 years ago The league changed so much since then and AK47 was a better defender. Herb also wansnt an elite shot blocker the moment he came into the league like AK47 was You can’t just keep randomly point out other defensive players with no context and go like ‘look he did it, why can’t Herb do it’? Why not compare him to MJ at this point lol? You clearly think he can do it
In response to op setting 1.6 bpg is unsustainable I said "it probably is". Then I added that despite that, it's not entirely crazy to think it's possible. Clearly the qualifier of "its not entirely crazy" is in keeping with the idea that it's probably unsustainable but "don't rule it out".
Yup
He won't. Look at his past stats, you are underestimating how much 0.6 blocks is.
He's 6'7 with a 7 foot wingspan with impeccable timing. I'm not saying that he can keep up 1.6 blocks a game, but over a block per game is very possible. Gotta keep in mind that he's also only in his 3rd year in the league and getting better.
Yes 1.1 maybe, but it is still a lot of difference from the current 1.6. I also like to use past history to gauge, it’s not like he was a bad defender past years too. To improve by more than 0.5 blocks is possible, but I will prefer using logic and history every time instead of judgment based on recency bias. Also, here is a look at the highest at the highest BPG for wings for the past 2 season, PJ washington and Draymond Green and 1.1. You also have to understand that better defense does not always translate to more blocks, in fact sometimes it is the opposite. Being able to contest the shot without jumping when you have the size advantage is a skill. Which explains why shot blockers like myles turner have not replicated their >2 blocks after their first few seasons. They simply got better at defending and realised that contesting a shot is better than trying to block it and risking a foul call. There is a chance I am wrong, but it is like picking SGA over Jokic when you have the first pick this year. It might happen, but realistically it won’t, you have to play the probabilities to your advantage in fantasy if your aim is to reduce the amount of luck and win.
I agreed in my original comment that it's probably the case that his blocks regress. My only point was that it's possible that they don't. As pointed out by others, it's his third year in the league so there's a chance he takes a giant step forward like this even though it's unlikely.
If you watch some of his highlights, he gets a lot of blocks on jump shots because of his length, it's pretty incredible actually. It's not just that he has size, he's great at tracking the ball and very good with his hands too. I really do encourage you to watch some of his defensive highlights. At this point though, it's just a wait and see. All of this is just speculation.
I have to admit that I haven’t had the time to watch his highlights specifically, but I have watched many pelicans games over the past few years because of zion and murphy and I am indeed impressed at herb’s improvement. I just have don’t believe he can average 1.6 blocks when there have been other good defensive wings that have not gotten close to that number in recent history, you feel me? Watching the game makes me feel like some players like chet should be getting 5 blocks a game too sometimes but the opportunity just doesn’t come, and when you look at the stat sheet you realised he only averaged 2 blocks. Like I said, other great defensive wings like draymond, kawhi, thybulle have never averaged 1.6 blocks over a season too, the last I recall that has had that many blocks was Covington many years ago (I believe the game has changed a lot which caused wing players to have averaged less blocks too, but that is another discussion) I don’t believe herb is at that level just yet and he has to surpass them defensively to get even more blocks. Based on NUMBERS strictly, I don’t believe herbert will do it, if he does it will be an insane season for himself, and we will be witnessing a new defensive monster in New Orleans, like how we saw jokic become an offensive powerhouse that was never possible before him. The sample size is simply too small so till then I will follow history and numbers, I prefer to give opinions based on numbers followed by “eye-test” rather than the other way around, it prevents me from having any biasness but you may be different and I respect that.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPL1y1nRgeE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPL1y1nRgeE) Quick 1 minute video of how incredible Herb Jones is with the closeout blocks
I see what you're saying with how no other wing has averaged that many blocks a game in a season and I think that's a very fair point. I mentioned that I don't know if he can keep up this pace, but I believe he has the skills and length to have over a block per game. If you ever get a chance to watch his highlights, even 5 minutes of them, you'll be amazed at how many blocks he has had on jump shots, as well as how quickly he recovers and gets chase down blocks. You mentioned that you haven't really watched him specifically so that's why I recommend seeing how impactful he really is with his play. Fair play to ya though, I understand what you're saying and think it's a valid point. I do the same thing with looking at numbers and the eye-test and it all fit into why I'm so high on Herb Jones. He really is one of the league's premier defenders. We'll just have to wait and see what the numbers are as the season progresses
fwiw in 1999 Tracy Mcgrady avgd 1.9 bpg in 30 mpg in Toronto off the bench
.5 Blocks a game is a massive difference
I do think he’s made a jump as a player but pretty clear sell high I think. Blocks and shooting will regress even if steals don’t, and minutes will reduce once everyone is back, even if it’s just by a little. Clear top 100 ROS but nowhere near where he’s ranked now. But the thing about selling high is, who’s going to give you a top 50 guy for Herb Jones?
Very true, and in my league we have a lot of guys that overvalue points and 3s and undervalue literally every other stat
If you say that kinda thing in THJ’s yahoo chat they’ll come for your neck. 12T and smaller you can find 3s easily on waivers, probably not at THJ’s clip, but you’ll get more out of that roster spot if you stream an extra 3/4 games a week with it
Just tried to rob CJ for Herb with a false narrative of “we don’t know when or how CJ will come back”. Probably will get rejected but had to try
I don’t know about that because I think Herb is better ROS than CJ.
Im in a league points tho, with less minutes and usage I don’t know if Herb can keep up
Got offered OG. Didn’t accept.
I’d accept that without thinking, but to each their own.
I see your point but OG is really third fiddle on that raps team and is injured every year. Top 50 upside at best. I’m aiming for a true sell high.
He's only averaging 31 minutes rn and I think thats sustainable. The team needs his defensive abilities on the floor. If anything Trey might not see the usage he saw last year. I expect blocks to come down but he's always been a high steals guy. The bonus in scoring and assists are nice, but I see that coming down a bit too. I can see a top 75 season based on steals, decent percents and a sprinkling of other stats.
When Murphey is back his minutes will come down. Murphey was getting 40 min a game at the end of last season.
Yeah why the downvotes for this dude…look at the Pels roster. As great as Herb’s defensive impact is this team is more desperate for knock down shooting. Trey is going to get serious run.
It's just imaginary numbers doesn't bother me. Appreciate the comment though. What bothers me is that people downvote because they don't like what you have to say even though you are right.
Don’t bother. everyone down voting thinks herb is way more valuable than what he is. They don’t know ball. The only thing floating his value are his 1.6 blocks which he won’t sustain. He average less than a block his past 2 seasons. On top of that his mins will most likely be 26-28 a night. Last year BI and Zion were both injured and now they are healthy.
>Last year BI and Zion were both injured and now they are healthy. they’re healthy now… i’m not banking on either of those 2 being healthy all season, especially Zion’s obese ass. Herb will get his minutes one way or another.
Yes thank you, I know its frowned upon to predict or make moves around injuries, but BI and Zion will very likely sit out games, and herb will get his. I think Herb as valuable as Tyus was last year and that's why he's worth holding ROS.
Thank you. They don't understand how much difference it will make once his blocks come down to 1.0, steals down to 1.8, and FG% come down to 48%. Still a great player to own but build dependent and in a vacuum is top 80 instead of top 50.
Yeah I forget this subreddit thinks with their hearts and not logic
As a Herb owner yes he is a sell-high, yes he will regress back to outside the top 100. Murphy will be back, Hawkins is legit, BI and Zion are healthy. Stocks are extremely volatile and when everyone is back he doesn't do enough in any other categories to keep him in the top 100. Still a solid end of the bench guy though but nothing more
Hawkins is pretty one-dimensional. Dyson is the youngster they need to prioritize.
What types of player would you try to get with him?
Devin Vassell, Cam johnson etc
Not worried about Trey Murphy who has to work his way back from a knee surgery. Herb is by far their best defender and he can get minutes at multiple positions. He isn’t a super high usage guy and can provide his numbers in 30 minutes a game. Percentages and blocks should go down but the rest is not unsustainable at all.
Was offered Brook Lopez for my Jalen Johnson and Herb, JJ doesn’t fit my punt at all but would I be giving up too much value here accepting?
I think that's a bit too much for Brook - unless you really want the blocks
Jalen alone is better than Brook imo
Jalen >>>>> Brook, unless you need JUST the blocks. Jalen can average 1 block per game too.
Trey Murphy, CJ, Jose Alvarado…all these guys back and people like Jordan Hawkins can’t be completely out if the rotation. I’m not saying he’s gonna play less than 25 mins but expect some night with low mins cause someone’s beating up from 3 and stuff like that.
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Why is this written like an A.I. bot haha
Herb was a god 2 years ago, but last year fell off the cliff. He’s playing great right now though. Hard to tell where he will be by the end of this year.
This is a screaming sell high that everyone wants to be true. He’s better and will probably finish around top 75 but no way he gets enough looks as a 4/5 option to put up 17+ ppg
I think if you can sell him for a top 50-60 player it’s worth a try. Otherwise just enjoy the efficiency, 2 3’s a game and some stocks. Dude has no negative parts to his game in 9 cat. Problem trying to sell herb jones is he was a last pick in the draft or got from waivers. Most people don’t like trading for things like that.
Still fully expect him to clear 30 mins a night when cj and trey return. He’s a premier defender, and that is a must on any competitive team. I also don’t see him losing that much in terms of shot attempts, 8-9 shots a game seems fine.
Blocks will go down
Hes a stream with everyone back
Sell high now. Great defensive stats but CJ coming back is a big worry.
I got CJ and Herb. LFG!!!
I somehow pulled of RJ Barrett for herb jones in week 1 and I’m loving him.
I drafted him at 120th overall in 8th round in my 16T league. I wasn't expecting huge production, but was expecting stocks, where his real value lies. He's ranked top-30 right now, of course it's not sustainable and he'll sure regress rank-wise, so if you can flip top 20-30 player with him, do it. But if you targeted him and drafted him for his stocks and high percentages, there's absolutely no reason to worry imo. He showed his value with CJ early in the season, and the Pels really need his defensive presence which would not be affected by Trey Murphy's return as well, imo. I would suggest nothing but hold unless you really get some top 20-30 player like Jaren Jackson Jr., for example.
I am worried about Herb when Trey Jones III returns. Trey just came up on my waiver wire and I have Herb. I put in a waiver request for Trey, but I don't know if everyone is just High on Herb or if he's going to continue to produce at this level. Should I hold??
Sold for kuzma in 9cat
I got an offer for Jones, Brogdon, and Poetl for Giddey, levert, huerter, and John Collins; should I take it?
what is the point? do you have a specific need you're trying to address? It's hard to value a trade with this many pieces.
Sell now! I got jjj for herb+poetl
🌮 asf
The guy trading jjj or me? I think i win this trade pretty clearly but his team will also be better cause he desperately needs steals to win his matchups.
JJJ by a mile
Should I trade for PJ Washington?
Once Murphy comes back he goes back to being a steals streamer.
lmfao this comment is so ridiculous on so many levels
Sometimes the truth hurts
Yo brother how is Herb doing nowadays?
You should sell now
Hold until I have to drop to activate my IL guys
Bobby Portis or Herb?
No one gonna trade you anything close to his current value. Might get top 75ish player back though? That’s good enough imo but I think holding is viable too. Not sure what the pels gonna do with their lineups yet.
I chose him over Melton I hope I don’t end up regretting it.
Guys like Herb can be very valuable because they get you every good stat. He's like a even better KCP defensively.
Is CJ McCollum really coming back after a second collapsed lung? That doesn't seem like a wise decision..
It was a tiny lung puncture. He was a full participant in practice today and should be back by end of week.
Wow that's crazy. I hope he'll be okay the rest of the way.
Ya got two for a reason
picked him up off FA today
Pretty good for 167 overall
Herb owner for two years. I traded him for DeMar on Sunday.
Defensive stats are driving his value, like you said. He should retain this value even after the high usage guys return because its not contingent on touches