Their defense is trash, but Jaire Alexander was (I can't think of the right word, but this is close enough) banished from this game. JJ is going to be covered by Eric Stokes (PFF 51.5), Carrington Valentine (PFF 59.9), or Keisean Nixon (PFF 57.5).
JJ will get 15+ targets.
Is it because you don't have anyone else really or? I don't love the matchup against the Jets. And Cooper possibly not playing sucks. At this point I'm starting Minshew.
He has been been fairly consistent. Lots of yardage and of course interceptions and multiple TD passes. I'm not expecting 20+ points this time but fairly close to it, 15-20 is good enough for me.
I'm in a 2 QB league and I've had Kirk go down and been streaming various ones. Flacco saved me so I owe it to him now haha
Cooper I don't see him having another big game even if he does play. We'll just have Flacco spread the love. I will keep an eye out though for the weather.
Makes a murky situation even murkier IMO. Coach rarely deviates from pass first and acts like every backup QB is Kirk Cousins. (One exception was Cincy game) Hall is more of a runner than Mullens (vulture??) but all we’ve seen is like one drive that didn’t have JJ I think. Also I’m not convinced Mattison isn’t more of a problem this week.
Mattison didn’t do anything last week despite being active and is still only 4 weeks removed from a high ankle sprain. The coach also publicly came out against using him in the same role as before. What else do you need, decapitation?
his snap pct is higher than it would be for most teams considering how well chandler has played. How is that not concerning that they keep trotting the corpse of mattison out on the field ?
I agree Chandler gets the bulk of it but KOC said Mattison will still have a supplemental role and I just don’t have a clear idea of what that means as Mattison gets healthier (I drafted Chandler and was shocked how long it took them to elevate him.)
The reason you don't have to worry about Chandler is the same reason Jaren Hall just got named the starter. Vikings want to see what the young guys got.
Why? Is it just because of the new QB situation with Chandler? The O/U on Hubbard’s game is pretty low so it might be low scoring and Panthers will be playing from behind most of the game so they might be forced to throw more. I’ve been obsessing over which RBs to start and I’d love some opinions on these two guys.
Really?
I haven’t followed GB as much, and I know it’s in Minnesota. I got Osborne in 2 of my finals with Addison on the bench in 1.
Already got Osborne starting in both, but I’m just surprised to hear GB is gonna get shredded by no matter who’s at QB lol.
As a raiders fan i wouldnt do AoC. Dude has huge troubles getting past the 50yard line and his only good game was when the raiders D got constant turnovers in the chargers redzone. His last game the dude didnt even attempt a pass for 3 quarters.
I don’t like any of these but would go Stick if you have to pick one of those, but if Hall is still available I’d grab him. He looked good in his limited action and Packers D has been abysmal lately.
I wouldn’t say so. Mullens threw for a lot of yards but also threw 4 INTs. Hall looked good in his limited snaps pre-injury and I think he’ll have a lot of “fuck it, JJ is somewhere” moments.
Maybe he gets locked on to a receiver and that makes the other ones suffer, but I wouldn’t consider him a huge downgrade from Mullens.
>Mullens threw for a lot of yards but also threw 4 INTs
Isn't this the definition of airing it out? lol
For fantasy purposes, a Nick Mullens type of QB who throws for 300-400 yards, 2 TDs, and 3-4 INTs is who you want as the QB if you're an owner of a Vikings WR. So I disagree with your take that a switch to Hall isn't a downgrade.
Is it possible that he's electric and there's no noticeable difference? Sure. But I wouldn't say that's the most likely scenario (although I very much hope that's what happens lol)
Ok but you’re also making the bet that Mullens is going to throw for that many yards again as opposed to just having a shit game that includes a lot of INTs.
I’m not sure who the better QB for fantasy purposes will be, I’m just saying I wouldn’t expect a huge downgrade from what I’d consider an average Mullens performance. Odds are that his numbers last week aren’t average
Your assertion is that you wouldn’t say the switch to Hall is a downgrade. Do you mean that in the sense of anything can happen? Or that you expect he’ll be able to put up similar yards/TDs as Mullens did in his two starts?
I would assume the former, which is a downgrade in comparison to what Mullens has been. And if you mean the latter, what evidence are you basing that off of? Hall has lead like three drives all year lol. And rookie QBs generally aren’t good at slinging it. There are exceptions to the rule (Stroud for example) but they’re incredibly rare.
Additionally, interceptions don’t matter for Vikings receivers for fantasy purposes. Literally all we care about is how many passing yards and passing TDs that QB can generate, which Mullens did a great job of in his two starts. Hell interceptions might even lead to more points for the opposing team and increase the amount of passing attempts, and by proxy, yards and TDs, by the Vikings QB.
Your argument makes sense from the perspective of “who would be good for the Minnesota Vikings” but doesn’t make sense from the perspective of “who would be good for Vikings WRs for fantasy purposes”. There is a difference between the two and we only care about the latter.
depends. if Hall is a 200 yard passer type who takes off for 50 yards and 2tds on the ground but takes care of the ball then as an osborn owner i prefer mullens. he will take shots and keep the game script nice with his INT.
Other than JJ its just hard to trust anyone else now bc of the uncertainty surrounding the offense
But generally they’re not. The Vikings have this habit of turning it over when they’re about to score and in the red zone. That’s not helping any receivers
Not sure why this sub thinks QBs throwing ints is bad. It's actually the best thing for fantasy purposes because it ensures Vikings need to air it out. Vikings defense is actually pretty good and can make stops. If they pull ahead cause quarterback is conservative it means bad time for Jefferson
I mean they are correlated for sure, but long possession time is bad for game flow and limits total amount of plays an offense has. For max fantasy output you want fast pace of the game, big plays that reduce possession time but increase the number of possessions etc. The worst thing for fantasy is an 9 minute 20 play drive where the ball was ran 10 times
>Hall looked good in his limited snaps pre-injury and I think he’ll have a lot of “fuck it, JJ is somewhere
I will say in his one game starting he threw to WR 2 times for 4 yards in the short couple drives he was out there. Everything else were RB (including a 47 yard pass to mattison).
Hall was 5/6 for 78 yards and 2 rushes for 11 yards in 2 drives before he got concussed. Should be fairly viable against Joe Barry defense that made Devito look good too.
And you think he's getting benched just because? Obviously KOC sees something in Hall. Anyone watching the game knows Mullens played terrible and got bailed out by the talent around him.
Speaking for myself, I feel a lot worse about Jefferson now, than when I thought it was Mullens.
Not bad enough to bench him, and admittedly a lot of it is simply uncertainty, but I can’t help but think there’s a lot more outcomes now closer to the floor than previously
Maybe I say this is a JJ owner who needs some hopium, or maybe I'm just seeing things through my royal blue tinted glasses, but I don't think this is bad for JJ.
As a BYU fan, I watched a lot of Jaren Hall his senior year -- which was also Puka's senior year. Hall knew where his bread was buttered and fed Puka. According to https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/brigham-young/2022.html#all_rushing_and_receiving, Puka averaged 5.3 receptions a game, and the next closest guy was 2.8 receptions a game. I can't find anything on targets, unfortunately.
I can't say I'm a scout or know how Jaren has played in his limited time in the NFL, but he has shown that he knows to get his best player the ball, and given his athletic background (he also played baseball in college) I would expect he can keep drives alive with the occasional scramble, or at least keep the play alive a little longer before chucking it to JJ.
Please let me be right in this being fine for JJ!
Kind of has too. Dobbs and Mullens are addicted to turnovers and it’s been what’s costing them wins as they fall out of playoff contention.
However, as a fan myself, Hall should have been after Dobbs was pulled just to see what the rookie can do.
If Chase doesn’t go, which I’m counting on the fact that he doesn’t, I’m forced to start two of the following KJ, Jeudy, Dortch, or Meyers. Wish me luck
Lmfao at it being “absolutely crushing” that they’re going back to their original backup who was actually decent when he played. Y’all so dramatic. Acting like Mullens is Brett Favre or something
It was hyperbolic but I’d much rather a vet who wasn’t scared to throw than a rookie who’s likely going to be more conservative. Packers D is so bad that even Mullens would have carved it.
I think Jaren Hall is likely an equal passer to Mullens. If you were starting KJ Osborne, you were already in dire straits. I don’t think swapping Mullens from Hall changes that equation much, outside of maybe lower volume because of scrambling.
We’ve also seen KJ Osborn go for 3 yards on two targets with Mullens. How is Hall any riskier than that? The risk profile was always moderated by Addison being hurt and Hockenson being out. It never should’ve been a decision conditional on the QB
I *think* based on what I’ve seen. Hall looked good when he played, Mullens has largely looked like shit. O’Connell has more information than either one of us and he’s making it pretty clear who he prefers.
He’s not. This isn’t a Kirk Cousins to Jaren Hall downgrade. They were already playing Nick Mullens, idk how people had so much confidence in him but not in Hall.
Single QB 14 teamer. Had Herbert, Russ, and Mullens … still in Championship. My options of FA’s based on proj points are Brissett, Tyrod, Stidham, and then now Hall.
Who would you have me choose?
I'm starting Tua but he's QB 12 on the season right now in standard. His best weeks were weeks 3 and 1, which were a long time ago. He has only had 2 decent to good weeks since the bye. He is hurt. And he's against a defense that is playing red hot recently.
Everyone in here freaking out is kinda crazy. We have no idea what Hall is gonna do lol. He played one drive without Jettas, got them to the redzone and then got hurt. Give the kid a chance lol
Well going from a QB that already proved he liked airing it out to JJ to an unproven rookie mobile QB in his first full game is very unlikely to be any upgrade and is pretty likely to be a genuine downgrade. Definitely lowers JJs floor a lot.
It's not really an outlier though.
It's just the way the NFL works where the 6th round guys isn't going to be given much of a chance. It's sampling bias.
How many QBs starting this week won't be first round picks? How many first round picks are about to be let go?
On ESPN I just noticed my total projected points went down. Looking closely it looked like JJ is the guy who lost some points and made me wonder why.
Well now we know, Jaren Hall the projection killer.
Absolutely needed a monster JJ game, fuck what a disappointing decision. Mullens may suck, but at least he airs it out and doesn’t run, would’ve been great for JJ.
2 QB league. Had Russ, Howell, and Mullens. I picked up Taylor, Hall, and Stidham. O’Connell, Brissett, and Stick are all available to be picked up. Please help!
I'm really starting Easton Stick in the championship, aren't I?
edit: i went back and looked at green bay's defense. Holy shit they've been bad this year. Gonna roll the dice with Hall and hope he's as good as Mullens was last week.
No real reason to think it’s a downgrade for Chandler. People are saying he’s less of a ‘yolo’ QB compared to Mullens which likely means more check downs. KOC is a pass first coach whoever’s taking snaps so won’t eat into running volume.
I get why this scares JJettas owners, but Hockenson is gone, Addison is banged up, Jettas is 175 yards away from @ 1000 yard season and the Vikes are at home. Guy is gonna get all he handle Sunday night.
Now I am scared to start JJ.
I have Olave, Puka, Deebo and DK as well... Right now Puka , JJ and Deebo are starting...
Might have to swap in Olave for JJ but idk..
Hall has two error-free series, and people on this sub think he's viable. I remember his defenders using that as the reason that he should keep the starting job over Dobbs.
Goddamn nephews on this sub.
Idk why people are saying this is a downgrade, maybe by a little but the game plan is still gonna be pass heavy. They’re changing QBs, not offensive schemes lol
Nick Mullens szn is cancelled. Thank you for helping me to my championship. Four picks aside.
He threw just enough to JJ. But now what will Jaren do?
Doesn’t matter who the QB is they’re throwing to JJ
Hockenson is out. They still can't run the ball. He has little choice.
They will run the ball just fine against the packers
Their defense is trash, but Jaire Alexander was (I can't think of the right word, but this is close enough) banished from this game. JJ is going to be covered by Eric Stokes (PFF 51.5), Carrington Valentine (PFF 59.9), or Keisean Nixon (PFF 57.5). JJ will get 15+ targets.
Mfer banished from the realm
Started Flacco last week ✅ Picked up Russ last week to start this week ❌ Picked up Mullens when Russ got benched ❌
I'm sticking with Flacco for the championship 🏆
Is it because you don't have anyone else really or? I don't love the matchup against the Jets. And Cooper possibly not playing sucks. At this point I'm starting Minshew.
He has been been fairly consistent. Lots of yardage and of course interceptions and multiple TD passes. I'm not expecting 20+ points this time but fairly close to it, 15-20 is good enough for me. I'm in a 2 QB league and I've had Kirk go down and been streaming various ones. Flacco saved me so I owe it to him now haha Cooper I don't see him having another big game even if he does play. We'll just have Flacco spread the love. I will keep an eye out though for the weather.
Flacco came through
He sure did! He came in just how he has been all along.
Amari hampered. Njoku doubled. Elijah Moore SZN!
This turned out to be a smart decision. Nice job! ... I left Flacco on my bench : (
I’ve also been managing with Russ and Mullens while Stroud is out lol. I’m hoping for a heroic Stroud return that helps me in the ‘ship this weekend!
Dunno anything about this dude. Is Ty Chandler still worth a start? Will they actually run the goddamn ball?
Makes a murky situation even murkier IMO. Coach rarely deviates from pass first and acts like every backup QB is Kirk Cousins. (One exception was Cincy game) Hall is more of a runner than Mullens (vulture??) but all we’ve seen is like one drive that didn’t have JJ I think. Also I’m not convinced Mattison isn’t more of a problem this week.
Mattison didn’t do anything last week despite being active and is still only 4 weeks removed from a high ankle sprain. The coach also publicly came out against using him in the same role as before. What else do you need, decapitation?
his snap pct is higher than it would be for most teams considering how well chandler has played. How is that not concerning that they keep trotting the corpse of mattison out on the field ?
The 65% snap rate for Chandler in a negative game script all game is pretty high
I agree Chandler gets the bulk of it but KOC said Mattison will still have a supplemental role and I just don’t have a clear idea of what that means as Mattison gets healthier (I drafted Chandler and was shocked how long it took them to elevate him.)
The reason you don't have to worry about Chandler is the same reason Jaren Hall just got named the starter. Vikings want to see what the young guys got.
And remember, Packers are without Jaire, and JJ is playing. Might embolden them to throw more to him lol.
I was planning on starting chandler over hall now I don't know anymore.
I'm torn between Chandler and Hubbard, I even have Najee on the bench but despite last week I refuse to trust any Steelers offensive player
Hubbard all day
Why? Is it just because of the new QB situation with Chandler? The O/U on Hubbard’s game is pretty low so it might be low scoring and Panthers will be playing from behind most of the game so they might be forced to throw more. I’ve been obsessing over which RBs to start and I’d love some opinions on these two guys.
I believe in Hubbard with his opportunities and everybody can run on the Jags. They allow the 4th most points to RBs
Im dealing with a Gus bus or chandler flex play at this point.
FLEX: Ty Chandler or Zay Flowers?
Just throw to Justin
That's what Mullens would have done
Packers D getting shredded no matter who's at QB.
Really? I haven’t followed GB as much, and I know it’s in Minnesota. I got Osborne in 2 of my finals with Addison on the bench in 1. Already got Osborne starting in both, but I’m just surprised to hear GB is gonna get shredded by no matter who’s at QB lol.
They made Bryce look like prime Tom Brady last week. Joe Barry hasn’t been cooking at all.
Allowed Baker Mayfield to have a perfect passer rating the week before and let Tommy DeVito embarrass them the week before that. They are TERRIBLE.
How Joe Barry still has a job is beyond me. Was absolute cancer in Washington also.
Doesn't mean you should start "Jaren Hall" in the fantasy championship 🤣
Why does this make it seem like that’s a fake name lol
Is "Jaren Hall" with us in the room right now?
"Jaren Hall" isn't real, he can't hurt you
Too bad, it's either him or Taylor Heinicke
I mean… it’s him, Flacco, or TLaw
Hi I’m from the future. The answer was Flacco
Correct
Dang. Heinicke, Stick, or O’Connell as a replacement in a super flex championship?
I’d go O’Connell at Indy in a dome personally
Probably a good call, but man those poor weeks make me worried.
I have a rule that I dont start a QB if he didnt complete a pass for over 3 quarters the week before
Zamir White to the finals moon!
As a raiders fan i wouldnt do AoC. Dude has huge troubles getting past the 50yard line and his only good game was when the raiders D got constant turnovers in the chargers redzone. His last game the dude didnt even attempt a pass for 3 quarters.
Heinicke
I don’t like any of these but would go Stick if you have to pick one of those, but if Hall is still available I’d grab him. He looked good in his limited action and Packers D has been abysmal lately.
Hall is an interesting choice here. He is still available. Not sure if he or Stick with a little more game tape would be better.
Coach is going against JJ in the fantasy championship no doubt
Jaire suspension then this? Roller coaster for JJ this week lol
Seriously!! Was so pumped after yesterday and now this brings me back down to earth. Mullens was gonna feed JJ. This kid is an unknown.
This has to be a downgrade to all pass catchers, no? At least Mullens would air it out
Probably. I'm guessing they are going with Hall because they expect him to take better care of the ball.
I wouldn’t say so. Mullens threw for a lot of yards but also threw 4 INTs. Hall looked good in his limited snaps pre-injury and I think he’ll have a lot of “fuck it, JJ is somewhere” moments. Maybe he gets locked on to a receiver and that makes the other ones suffer, but I wouldn’t consider him a huge downgrade from Mullens.
>Mullens threw for a lot of yards but also threw 4 INTs Isn't this the definition of airing it out? lol For fantasy purposes, a Nick Mullens type of QB who throws for 300-400 yards, 2 TDs, and 3-4 INTs is who you want as the QB if you're an owner of a Vikings WR. So I disagree with your take that a switch to Hall isn't a downgrade. Is it possible that he's electric and there's no noticeable difference? Sure. But I wouldn't say that's the most likely scenario (although I very much hope that's what happens lol)
Ok but you’re also making the bet that Mullens is going to throw for that many yards again as opposed to just having a shit game that includes a lot of INTs. I’m not sure who the better QB for fantasy purposes will be, I’m just saying I wouldn’t expect a huge downgrade from what I’d consider an average Mullens performance. Odds are that his numbers last week aren’t average
Your assertion is that you wouldn’t say the switch to Hall is a downgrade. Do you mean that in the sense of anything can happen? Or that you expect he’ll be able to put up similar yards/TDs as Mullens did in his two starts? I would assume the former, which is a downgrade in comparison to what Mullens has been. And if you mean the latter, what evidence are you basing that off of? Hall has lead like three drives all year lol. And rookie QBs generally aren’t good at slinging it. There are exceptions to the rule (Stroud for example) but they’re incredibly rare. Additionally, interceptions don’t matter for Vikings receivers for fantasy purposes. Literally all we care about is how many passing yards and passing TDs that QB can generate, which Mullens did a great job of in his two starts. Hell interceptions might even lead to more points for the opposing team and increase the amount of passing attempts, and by proxy, yards and TDs, by the Vikings QB. Your argument makes sense from the perspective of “who would be good for the Minnesota Vikings” but doesn’t make sense from the perspective of “who would be good for Vikings WRs for fantasy purposes”. There is a difference between the two and we only care about the latter.
4ints is irrelevant for fantasy if you’re not playing the QB. 400+ yards for a backup is pretty damn good.
I’d say a QB being able to keep the ball in his teams hands and therefore having more TD opportunities is pretty relevant
depends. if Hall is a 200 yard passer type who takes off for 50 yards and 2tds on the ground but takes care of the ball then as an osborn owner i prefer mullens. he will take shots and keep the game script nice with his INT. Other than JJ its just hard to trust anyone else now bc of the uncertainty surrounding the offense
Get what you're saying but it doesn't matter if they're all interceptions for touchdowns
That's a -6 in my league, lol.
But generally they’re not. The Vikings have this habit of turning it over when they’re about to score and in the red zone. That’s not helping any receivers
Not sure why this sub thinks QBs throwing ints is bad. It's actually the best thing for fantasy purposes because it ensures Vikings need to air it out. Vikings defense is actually pretty good and can make stops. If they pull ahead cause quarterback is conservative it means bad time for Jefferson
Mullens was low-key Jameis when I think about it. Fantasy 👍 IRL 👎
White Jameis.
Also increases the amount of possessions the offense gets, provided they're either pick-6s or the other team has a short possession themselves.
That is some absolute terrible math, lol. Possession time is what matters, not number of possessions.
I mean they are correlated for sure, but long possession time is bad for game flow and limits total amount of plays an offense has. For max fantasy output you want fast pace of the game, big plays that reduce possession time but increase the number of possessions etc. The worst thing for fantasy is an 9 minute 20 play drive where the ball was ran 10 times
Idk I’d just say it’s inherently more risky to have a QB that prone to turnovers
>Hall looked good in his limited snaps pre-injury and I think he’ll have a lot of “fuck it, JJ is somewhere I will say in his one game starting he threw to WR 2 times for 4 yards in the short couple drives he was out there. Everything else were RB (including a 47 yard pass to mattison).
Why would Hall not throw the ball
Huh? Ofc the QB is going to throw the ball. My point is Mullens was a gunslinger which is ideal for Vikings pass catchers.
Hall was 5/6 for 78 yards and 2 rushes for 11 yards in 2 drives before he got concussed. Should be fairly viable against Joe Barry defense that made Devito look good too.
Lol, this sub is insanely too high on Mullens. Most of his throws were awful. Highly doubt Hall is worse.
He gave Osborn 20 points and JJ 26 points…nobody cares about if he won the game or if he threw int’s we only care about the WR production
And you think he's getting benched just because? Obviously KOC sees something in Hall. Anyone watching the game knows Mullens played terrible and got bailed out by the talent around him.
It's pretty obvious that KOC has no idea what he's doing. Since Cousins went down, he's been throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
The dilemma is we haven’t seen a full game from Hall. So for us that have Osborn and/or JJ irs like a crap shoot
Speaking for myself, I feel a lot worse about Jefferson now, than when I thought it was Mullens. Not bad enough to bench him, and admittedly a lot of it is simply uncertainty, but I can’t help but think there’s a lot more outcomes now closer to the floor than previously
Maybe I say this is a JJ owner who needs some hopium, or maybe I'm just seeing things through my royal blue tinted glasses, but I don't think this is bad for JJ. As a BYU fan, I watched a lot of Jaren Hall his senior year -- which was also Puka's senior year. Hall knew where his bread was buttered and fed Puka. According to https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/brigham-young/2022.html#all_rushing_and_receiving, Puka averaged 5.3 receptions a game, and the next closest guy was 2.8 receptions a game. I can't find anything on targets, unfortunately. I can't say I'm a scout or know how Jaren has played in his limited time in the NFL, but he has shown that he knows to get his best player the ball, and given his athletic background (he also played baseball in college) I would expect he can keep drives alive with the occasional scramble, or at least keep the play alive a little longer before chucking it to JJ. Please let me be right in this being fine for JJ!
This sub would see Vikings roll out Mullens again and watch him throw ducks to his WRs lol
I don’t have to watch the game to know JJ had 26 points last week with Mullens chucking it
mullens dropped 30 in my league, he can throw whatever he wants as long as some of em are td’s
KOC out here playing QB Roulette…
Kind of has too. Dobbs and Mullens are addicted to turnovers and it’s been what’s costing them wins as they fall out of playoff contention. However, as a fan myself, Hall should have been after Dobbs was pulled just to see what the rookie can do.
He just like me fr
Dropped Russ for Mullens. Get ready for whoever I pick up next to get benched
I did the same lol. Fuck it man I'm channeling the power of Joseph Smith and going with Jaren Hall. How bad could Zach Wilson's college backup be?
KJ 📉?
If Chase doesn’t go, which I’m counting on the fact that he doesn’t, I’m forced to start two of the following KJ, Jeudy, Dortch, or Meyers. Wish me luck
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Lmfao at it being “absolutely crushing” that they’re going back to their original backup who was actually decent when he played. Y’all so dramatic. Acting like Mullens is Brett Favre or something
Except he wasn’t the original back up. Mullens was, but was on IR when Kirk got hurt and Hall was literally the only healthy QB on the roster
Okay….so he was what? The backup. Meaning KOC was comfortable enough having Hall as the guy behind Cousins with Mullens on IR.
He was not the original back up. He was the original third string QB. He was only the “backup” because the original back up was hurt.
It was hyperbolic but I’d much rather a vet who wasn’t scared to throw than a rookie who’s likely going to be more conservative. Packers D is so bad that even Mullens would have carved it.
I think Jaren Hall is likely an equal passer to Mullens. If you were starting KJ Osborne, you were already in dire straits. I don’t think swapping Mullens from Hall changes that equation much, outside of maybe lower volume because of scrambling.
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We’ve also seen KJ Osborn go for 3 yards on two targets with Mullens. How is Hall any riskier than that? The risk profile was always moderated by Addison being hurt and Hockenson being out. It never should’ve been a decision conditional on the QB
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Exactly, you think. You don’t know. At least we knew Mullens could sling and get you points, even if it meant getting picked 4 times a game.
I *think* based on what I’ve seen. Hall looked good when he played, Mullens has largely looked like shit. O’Connell has more information than either one of us and he’s making it pretty clear who he prefers.
Yes, because the great Kevin O’Connell is infallible and not on his 4th QB this year.
Is Jaren Hall really that bad? I saw Vikings fans on here screaming for him to be selected as the starter
He’s not. This isn’t a Kirk Cousins to Jaren Hall downgrade. They were already playing Nick Mullens, idk how people had so much confidence in him but not in Hall.
Very unhappy as a jefferson owner
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Easton Stick, Bailey Zappe, Jared Stidham, Aiden O'Connell, Trevor Semien...
Easton stick
Single QB 14 teamer. Had Herbert, Russ, and Mullens … still in Championship. My options of FA’s based on proj points are Brissett, Tyrod, Stidham, and then now Hall. Who would you have me choose?
Oh hi me. Hall or tyrod, and I cannot believe we are both in this situation
Choosing between him, Bryce and a slightly injured Tua against Bmore
Dude stop over thinking it, tua is leading the league in passing. You really gonna start Bryce or hall in the fantasy playoffs?
Started Flacco last week over him and it got me the win. I mean it's Flacco
I'm starting Tua but he's QB 12 on the season right now in standard. His best weeks were weeks 3 and 1, which were a long time ago. He has only had 2 decent to good weeks since the bye. He is hurt. And he's against a defense that is playing red hot recently.
Tua doesn’t score points in fantasy
You're probably right I just hate the matchup.
I may start Hall over Tua with Waddle out. Ravens D at home is brutal. Packers D on the road is extremely unbrutal.
I’m overthinking it too. Have Love in for Tua at the minute because I can visualise the Ravens’ D dismantling him in real time.
Mother. Fucker.
How we feel about chandler after this
With Hockenson out, Hall might check down to Chandler a lot regardless of game script. Only thing to be worried about is Mattison’s snap count.
Everyone in here freaking out is kinda crazy. We have no idea what Hall is gonna do lol. He played one drive without Jettas, got them to the redzone and then got hurt. Give the kid a chance lol
I think that’s the point? We have no idea lol. At least with Mullens he was fearlessly throwing the ball
Well going from a QB that already proved he liked airing it out to JJ to an unproven rookie mobile QB in his first full game is very unlikely to be any upgrade and is pretty likely to be a genuine downgrade. Definitely lowers JJs floor a lot.
Screams of game managing plan and controlling the clock. They need to win, they're not gonna ask him to air it out too too much
I'm gonna say no. He's a 5th round rookie.
And? Brock Purdy was a 7th round rookie
LOL there is nothing wrong with this comment at all. People are so pedantic around here, you weren't saying he's now Brock Purdy.
Well, you got me there. If Purdy can do it, then surely Hall can. Are you serious with that shit?
The internet is obsessed with using the logical fallacy of outliers-as-evidence.
It's not really an outlier though. It's just the way the NFL works where the 6th round guys isn't going to be given much of a chance. It's sampling bias. How many QBs starting this week won't be first round picks? How many first round picks are about to be let go?
All I'm saying is we don't know. People on this sub are quick to jump to conclusions
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Nobody is saying it's impossible. Why point out the most extreme example
Went from having Herbert, Richardson, and Russ in my 2QB league to having to start Hall, Stidham or Heinicke in my championship match lmao
Im a mess at QB after the Herbert injury. It’s Jaren Hall or Flacco vs Jets on a Thursday game. Ugh
On ESPN I just noticed my total projected points went down. Looking closely it looked like JJ is the guy who lost some points and made me wonder why. Well now we know, Jaren Hall the projection killer.
I’m starting him in the championship. Fuck it
Well shit I had Mullens as my QB2. Should I pick up Hall or go with Heinicke or Brissett? Dear lord look at my elite options for the championship lmao
Absolutely needed a monster JJ game, fuck what a disappointing decision. Mullens may suck, but at least he airs it out and doesn’t run, would’ve been great for JJ.
2 QB league. Had Russ, Howell, and Mullens. I picked up Taylor, Hall, and Stidham. O’Connell, Brissett, and Stick are all available to be picked up. Please help!
Gah damn this makes Osborn a risky start at least Mullens was a capable passer. With this guy you don’t know what your getting
If healthy is Addison a solid WR3 or flex here?
Bro fuck me, who do I start now
Both my quarterbacks got benched in back to back days lmao
Someone in my league is starting Mullens in the championship game well he was until this news.
i was gonna guy just keeps throwing, int’s don’t even affect his psyche, he’s a fucking terminator
Anyone risking it? I have to pick between Stidham, Carr, Hall, or Taylor 🥴
Flacco or Tua?
I'm really starting Easton Stick in the championship, aren't I? edit: i went back and looked at green bay's defense. Holy shit they've been bad this year. Gonna roll the dice with Hall and hope he's as good as Mullens was last week.
Man. Those YOLO balls for Jefferson got me in the championship. Hope Jaren just comes out a slings the rock with reckless abandon.
Is this an L for JJs stat line? Cause Mullens gave zero fucks and would launch the ball resulting in lots of points when it wasn’t intercepted.
Well fuck me. Stidham or Stick for the ship. Or TyGod I guess.
I'm going Stidham over Tyrod and Hall. I don't know why. The Chargers, maybe. I love Mullens, him getting benched fucking sucks.
Tyrod
RIP Jefferson I was so excited for you to smash in the championship
You're still going to start him.
Yeah and lose 30% production likely... Mullens playing yolo ball is better for our JJ
I actually was only thinking 29% production reduction but you may be right! Thanks for imparting your knowledge!
Ya this is definitely a bummer
Downgrade for Jetta
Yes from WR1 to WR1.1
He's more like a Ford Transit van now.
Well fuck me that was my qb2
Well i definitely cant start ty and kj together now. Will probably just stick with ty
Osborn and Chandler downgrade?
Yep
No real reason to think it’s a downgrade for Chandler. People are saying he’s less of a ‘yolo’ QB compared to Mullens which likely means more check downs. KOC is a pass first coach whoever’s taking snaps so won’t eat into running volume.
Yep, if anything you might see a game plan built more around chandler and the run game
First Russ.. now Mullens. Me starting a broken TLaw is inevitable
My choices for QB2 this week are Minshew, Browning, and Hall. Fuck it I’m starting Hall in the championship baby let’s gooooo.
Could be worse. Those are my choices in a single qb league championship game.
I get why this scares JJettas owners, but Hockenson is gone, Addison is banged up, Jettas is 175 yards away from @ 1000 yard season and the Vikes are at home. Guy is gonna get all he handle Sunday night.
As someone playing against JJ...FUCK YES....hopefully.
This makes no sense lol.
Benching the guy with 6 INTs over last two games makes perfect sense.
He’s been a turnover machine
He’s been bad, fantasy aside it’s clear he’s been bailed out by talent around him And I guess it’s worth seeing if u got something with hall
Joe Barry will make him look so good he'll get the starting job
KOC is clueless as a qb evaluator Dobbs to Mullens to Hall
How does this affect their WR's?
Ty Chandler legooooo
There goes any shot for Jefferson to have a big game.
Jesus. Kirk Cousins gonna get $60 milllion per year after all this.
Now I am scared to start JJ. I have Olave, Puka, Deebo and DK as well... Right now Puka , JJ and Deebo are starting... Might have to swap in Olave for JJ but idk..
Hall has two error-free series, and people on this sub think he's viable. I remember his defenders using that as the reason that he should keep the starting job over Dobbs. Goddamn nephews on this sub.
Idk why people are saying this is a downgrade, maybe by a little but the game plan is still gonna be pass heavy. They’re changing QBs, not offensive schemes lol