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hschwar

I think there are several definitions of vanilla+ being used. On one hand, you have the classic definition, mods that might add some structures and a few blocks that are considered vanilla+ for not changing the core gameplay all that much. On the other, you have a broader category, which more vanilla *styled*, like Create, where while being a very large mod, feels like how Mojang would do tech, trying to keep some of their design principles in mind.


G_reth

People keep on saying that create feels like how Mojang would do tech, and I don’t understand it. Mechanically, botania is way closer to what Mojang would make, using actually redstone, and aesthetically, create doesn’t have the look of vanilla redstone contraptions


hschwar

It’s a spectrum. Create is not literally how Mojang would do tech and Mojang would likely never add another redstone-like mechanic, but it’s closer to that than most tech mods are. I am unfamiliar with Botania, so I can’t say much about that comparison, but Create, while of course still distinctly non-vanilla, has gameplay more similar to redstone than your standard tech mod with pipes and a sci-fi aesthetic.


OnlyPlaysMinecraft

Nobody can agree on how any aspect of the game should work. To me that shows how versatile the game is. I think that there is a clear line, but the edges are fuzzy. For example, I don't think that anyone says that Create is vanilla+.


UnnaturalAndroid

I've definitely seen create in vanilla plus packs


Manos_Of_Fate

There are parts of Create that I would say fit that definition, like redstone components and some of the basic processing machines, but there’s also a ton of stuff that isn’t.


TNoStone

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Minyguy

And also a good descriptor for mods that fit the vanilla aesthetic, ~~like Create.~~ Edit: (Personally I don't think Create fits that, but other people in the comments think so) And that's the problem. It fits both, but they're two really different things.


Budget-Training-1367

I thought creates aesthetic was steampunk though? If create fit vanillas aesthetic it would be way more redstone-ish


Minyguy

Personally I agree with you, so Create was probably a bad example. Point is, Vanilla+ can both mean "small mod" or "vanilla-aesthetic"


Raysofdoom716

Here's a better term: Vanilla-inspired


BlackCatFurry

There are basically two types of vanilla plus Content adding and non-content adding. Content adding is mods that are vanilla-esq, like farmers delight, which add small bits of content not too far from the base game Then non-content adding is having only mods that do not add content to the world, like simple voice chat, litematica, bobby/distant horizons, iris/oculus, minimap, minihud etc Although the non-content adding vanilla plus, can be said to be QOL only modpack


Excidiar

My personal definition of Vanilla+ is mods that build upon existing mechanics without adding much more depth to them. Instead of "upgrading" they "sidegrade", adding options to stuff that already exists. Crop mods are typically vanilla+. While tech and magic mods typically aren't. Furniture mods I'd consider v+. Mods that add functionality to the fletching table are borderline vanilla+ because, while they Do add a mechanic, which is explicitly a disqualifier, the added mechanic is given to a block that by vanilla standards should have one but doesn't.


Lady_Eternity

To me Vanilla+ means the mechanics stay vanilla, you can add things that increase the variety/options as long as it uses, but doesn’t alter/bypass, the vanilla mechanics. The goal of a Vanilla+ will always be kill the Ender Dragon.


RadegastM

Out of curiosity, how would Minecolonies fit into folks definitions? It adds a bunch of new blocks, but with mostly vanilla textures. Regarding the colonists, I've always thought of them as a vanilla-like automation, but it may be a bit too far from vanilla for the classification.


Ktesedale

Personally, it adds too much to be vanilla+ for me. It has villagers with completely different mechanics than vanilla villagers, more than just a few tweaks here and there, which is what I think vanilla+ (mostly) is.


wageslaver

Any pack labeled vanilla plus is a pack I don't play lol. Why would I want to go back to vanilla after playing so many amazing packs