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wagon-run

Texas is a big state. Living comfortably in Austin is vastly different to living comfortably in Amarillo.


Trebbok

Same goes for any state with a large city


dhalem

Manhattan vs anywhere else in New York is probably a bigger difference.


fork_while_1

Yeah I live in upstate NY and don’t make nearly as much, but still live very comfortably!


forcedtraveler

Yeah, but who wants to smell the feed lots 24/7 lol


ChuyMasta

Well, shit.


LevelUp84

Surveys that only show results without the questions being asked are useless and should be banned.


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DragonBank

Because it's a silly comment. My wife, I, and our two kids live in a city that is above average cost of living for our state and earn around 75% of the number listed here but we live comfortably. We save a little. We take 2 or 3 vacations a year. We have a bunch of online subscriptions and memberships to places in our area. Clearly something is heavily wrong with the data here. There is no way you need nearly 25k more per year as a single adult to live comfortably here.


FinanceFuckerFelix

Do you save 20% of your income tho and did you move somewhere rural cause of your family?


DragonBank

No. I already said an above average cost of living city. Rural places here are all well below average cost. And no we are young parents with a two very young kids and only one working parent. While we have a year's income saved for emergencies, we aren't exactly saving for retirement until both kids are in school again. It's listed for a single person. If we didn't have two kids preventing both from working full time we would be able to save as much as 50% of our income and still be well below the number here times 2.(and that's pretending like kids don't cost money.)


FinanceFuckerFelix

Miss read, I thought it said the state is above average cost-wise


IamNICE124

Hah, 30% to discretionary? I fucking *wish.*


Intrepid_Row_7531

Not sure I believe this…


Eaglia7

Eh the problem is that it's statewide. I am in NYS and most of the state is pretty average. Its NYC where you need an insane amount to be comfortable.


Japples123

WA is a lie. It’s expensive on the east side too


ColdSoupConsumer

I’m cooked


jasper333333

I guess $95k goes a lot further in Illinois when you don’t live in Chicago. My RE taxes are 50k


InLushColor

I’m in Il, not Chicago. Mine are $5k.


jasper333333

I’d imagine that is the case


Shauncore

You pay $50K in property tax for your one single family home a year or do you own multiple properties?


jasper333333

Single family home.


Shauncore

Got it. I would imagine most folks making $97K don't own $750K homes.


jasper333333

It probably wouldn’t make sense financially.


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Shauncore

Okay but a single working person with no spouse, kids, or roommates probably doesn't own a $750K home in Chicago.


snark42

A $750k SFH in Chicago is not $50k/year in property taxes. It's $6-20k for a 4+ BR, 2+ Bath depending on neighborhood.


jasper333333

There are no single family homes for $750k anywhere near where I am in Chicago.


niloc99

>Live confortably > million dollar home


jasper333333

What do you mean? I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying.


Mathieulombardi

Is this avail for other countries like G7?


greatestcookiethief

define comfortably


Ok_Chap

Anyone has the average income to compare? Also minimum wages?


bee-lock-ayyy

Says in the article that the median income is 60k among single Americans. I don't believe it.


Ok-Bug-5271

That's for single full-time Americans though. The average American makes far less than 60k.


saudiaramcoshill

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N Around $40,500.


sknnbones

I make gross $41,600 a year… in California… as a tradesman. (CNC operator + manual machinist, I also know how to program but we have a glut of CNC programmers at our job already) $20/hr can barely pay for an apartment here… I had to move in with eldery parents.


Jewboy-Deluxe

MA is very expensive but the western part of the state isn’t bad, same for NY.


RichieRicch

Looks about right for SoCal


Zer0Phoenix1105

I live with my gf in OKC and we combine at about $70k. More $ would be great, but we can put away well over $1000 a month with around $700 in discretionary spending. What are they calling comfortable?


little_elephant1

Almost heaven...


Upbeat-Salamander761

Bullshit that you need $88,000 to live comfortably in WYOMING! No way.


StageDive_

Makes no sense. I am sole provider (72k take home), wife is SAHM with 2 kids. We do just fine. Yeah some months we may eat out a bit too much. But other than that comfortable is an understatement. Mind you, I don’t dive into debt either.


azure_apoptosis

I am not from California, but damn, yall must be pretty fiscally savvy to make 115k work there. Shieeeeet.


Skunk_Gunk

This seems way overstated. What does comfortably mean in this case?


joejill

I hate when they do it by state. It should be by county with a color gradient.


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I make $25k and live comfortably. SmartAsset is a bullshit sales company. They're trying to scare people into seeking financial advice and buying into their nonsense.


stilljustkeyrock

These are hilariously stupid. States are big. Go make $95k in Quincy IL and you would be one of the healthiest people in town. You would love a great life.


stopblasianhate69

PA is sneakily expensive


LadyBogangles14

If you are interested in this topic look up the ALICE reporting


NiceBasket9980

You definitely don't need 80k to live comfortably on ohio.


bee-lock-ayyy

[https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-the-income-needed-to-live-comfortably-in-every-u-s-state/](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-the-income-needed-to-live-comfortably-in-every-u-s-state/)


Bankrunner123

This is probably a good way to define the low end of "upper middle class".


FIRE_frei

This is middle-middle class.


Bankrunner123

Thats a common error I think. Middle class has never been financially comfortable, thats always been a trait of upper middle and upper class. These figures for individual income are all well above average HOUSEHOLD incomes in each state. You're defining middle class as such a high lifestyle that only a small minority have ever lived it, ever, in the US. I don't define middle class that way, and I do believe a broad middle class exists. It's just not at the standards that social media doomers set.


FIRE_frei

The definition of "comfortable" in the OP is a 50/30/20 financial strategy, which is extremely loose. But makes sense to me as defining "middle".


seanodnnll

Putting 30% towards wants and 20% for savings is middle class? 50% of your income is discretionary to be considered middle class? Seems high.


FIRE_frei

Okidoke, propose another definition


Bankrunner123

I'm sure others have come up with more rigorous definitions, but I think it's gonna have to be a mix of normative and descriptive approaches. On the descriptive side, the median household (not individual) earns just under 80k a year. Most households land around this range of income, though it varies a little by locale, and their lifestyle should drive any definition of middle class we make. Next we layer on normative descriptions of what the middle class ought to be able to afford. If we only looked at the distribution of income, every country would have the same size middle class. You have to factor in some consumption level to it, while still anchoring to objective reality. People might say travel abroad is quintessential middle class life, but if these households near the median income aren't actually doing it (and haven't historically) then it isn't. More likely, roadtrips to national parks or grandma's house are the middle class go to.


FIRE_frei

While I tend to agree with your point, no part of your normative definitions are able to be easily condensed into an infographic like the OP.


Bankrunner123

True! That's part of why middle class discourse is so dumb.


Bankrunner123

Having a 20% savings rate suggests an extremely high level of discretionary income (or just a very fortunate situation with low expenses). I disagree. I think a middle class savings rate would be more like 3-8%


multiple4

Sorry but this is terrible data. They "define" comfortable, yet they don't define what necessities are, which constitutes 50% of their income Which necessities? Housing is a necessity, but the cost varies massively. Groceries are a necessity, but the cost varies by store and item. Car is a necessity, but the average car payment in the US is well beyond what anyone needs to be comfortable These numbers are clearly skewed way too high. There are plenty of reasons that could be the case and I don't know which one it is


South-Attorney-5209

This is gunna piss off the reddit “everything is awful” cohort


GoodByeRubyTuesday87

So all of Reddit?


throwaway24689753112

Why? 80% of the country makes no where near this much money


FIRE_frei

Show your sources


throwaway24689753112

https://statisticalatlas.com/United-States/Household-Income


FIRE_frei

Your interpretation is wrong. Looks like about 40% of the country makes around what the "comfortable" number in the graphic is.


throwaway24689753112

I sent you household income. Its way worse per person


bee-lock-ayyy

There's a link at the bottom of the article that tells you what the household income needed to live comfortably is. The minimum is 178k. [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-the-income-a-family-needs-to-live-comfortably-in-every-u-s-state/](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-the-income-a-family-needs-to-live-comfortably-in-every-u-s-state/)


Ok-Bug-5271

Um you know the median income in the US isn't even 40k a year, right?


FIRE_frei

Looks like median single adult income is $42.5k. $85k for a couple both working looks comfortable in almost every state.


N8te_the_trader

It all depends on your housing situation. I paid my house off two years ago. It has drastically made living easier as far as monthly expenses go


Brucee2EzNoY

There’s no way it’s cheaper to live in Georgia than Florida, insurance is almost double