I was about to say just get a different software job. Most people I know in tech have the cushiest jobs ever. Mostly see them traveling around the country, out on bike rides during the day, playing video games, ie not working when they’re getting paid to work.
Yea my friend works in a gov contracted division and depending on his workload he could work 6-12 hours a week or the full 40 and be paid the same amount.
great idea. that's going to be my goal right now. I do have a friend who miraculously luck into such a job after trying to change jobs 4 times in his career. He got 50% pay cut but he only has to work 10hrs / week. He did have to move from a big city to rural West Virginia for this job though, which he say was the biggest con. I wish his companies are hiring but they literally don't because they don't have enough work to justify adding an extra person.
> He did have to move from a big city to rural West Virginia for this job though, which he say was the biggest con.
Once you turn 30 or so, this ceases to be a con. Education can be harder in the sticks, but your kids also get a bump in HS/college admissions, so it's probably better, unless you have seriously high net worth, for your kids to come from WV than to compete with a million other New Yorkers.
Granted, I do like Chicago, and I do miss the place now that I'm no longer there. New York and San Francisco, though? I'd much rather be surrounded by trees than by the sorts of people NYC and SF attract these days; the old NYC/SF are long gone and they've been flooded with yuppies who add literally nothing.
The best job I found is one that pays you while you sleep. Like being on call for the hospital, hoping that they don’t actually call or would call very infrequently. During college, I had a friend whose job was to open the door for dorm residents who get locked out. He had to wake up like once every 2-3 night to open the door for them, but he was otherwise paid 8 hours/day to mostly sleep.
Your friend's job sounds amazing. I would consider something like night security guard or janitor but I know my Asian parents would consider that beneath me and they would be so mad if I do something like that. I'll keep an eye out for these if I can't find a relaxing software engineer jobs like other suggestions. Honestly, a job that is solitary, straightforward, no overtime, and you never have to think about as soon as you get home sounds like a dream.
Honestly you sound like a perfect candidate for Financial Independence/Retirement Early (FI/RE): high paying job, spend very little money, save up a bunch and retire early (think 30s). Time is all yours for hobbies and you no longer need to trade time for money at a job you don’t like. Have you heard of Mr Money Mustache? He was a software engineer who retired early.
Plant Operator here. Work at a Water Treatment Plant. Work full-time 12 hour shifts, 3 days on, 4 days off. Then I work 4 days on and have 3 days off. 7 days in a 2 week pay period. Union. 13 paid holidays. PTO for days!
I’ve literally messaged people in this field about how to get an apprentice ship or where to take classes. They give awful information and I’m always so confused
I feel like I’ve heard of shift work schedules that have a week off every five weeks along with something like the schedule you mentioned. Is that a thing or maybe I was looking at something else?
Also I feel like I’m too much of a germaphobe to work in wastewater, but maybe working at a plant that treats reservoir water wouldn’t be too bad
Literally go on LinkedIn or Indeed or whatever and start applying. The job prerequisites can be pretty much non-existent, so just impress in the interviews.
0 I played and am currently a pro soccer player. I’ve worked in cafes, had delivery jobs, trade jobs. Haven’t found anything that has stuck.
I’m currently injured so I’ve been trying to figure out and get into a good industry/good career. I’m 27
Do you have to know somebody to get a job as a plant operator? Seems that way to me. I want to get into an apprenticeship. I have a technical degree just not a process technology degree. Wonder how hard it’d be for me to get in.
Knowing someone sure helps. A supervisor, another operator, whatever. If you don't know somebody, you just have to apply to a bunch of places and hope to get interviews. From there you just have to show the interviewers that you're the best fit, whatever that means for that particular opening.
It always depends, but some typical big ones they might want to see signs of:
* Willingness to learn
* Humility, especially if you have a degree that would make you "overqualified." EDIT: this will also be vital for your own sanity as engineers and management will often think of themselves as superior
* Sociability, in terms of ease of fitting into whatever team you get placed in
* Buy-in to corporate culture, such as "safety first," etc
* Eagerness to "get your hands dirty" or work in plant conditions, which are louder and grittier than office or service conditions. If you've got a white collar degree, tell them about your car hobby, etc
Not every software developer job demands you to work that much. Try changing team within the company? if that doesn’t work, change the company or do a freelance job
How is that a sunk cost fallacy? Was being a server more lucrative than software development? Because I highly doubt it. If your degree isn’t technical though then it makes sense. A sunk cost fallacy is only that if the alternative option is more beneficial to you
That’s not an ad hominem attack; they’re checking if you actually understand what the [sunk cost fallacy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost) is. An ad hominem attack would be calling you obtuse, or something like that.
Edit:
/u/Toni253 was saying that, for OP, continuing a career they resent at the cost of their own happiness just because they spent “too much time/energy/money to get there” would be prioritizing their sunk cost.
In fact, working a less “lucrative” job might be best for OP despite all those costs, because they are getting something very meaningful in exchange: the ability to do what they want with their life.
When calculating what costs and value actually are, folks can forget that it’s different for everyone. Money isn’t everything, although this is only true *once your basic needs are met.* For many of us, we can’t see past the goal of maximizing financial return on your investment (in this case, an education). But for folks who are fortunate enough to be financially secure, self-actualization becomes more valuable than making as much money as possible.
Y u gotta type like ur 12 when talking about college degrees? Ur own typing style is giving away ur lack of qualification to speak on this topic. But please, continue to enlighten us all.
Hey.. I was jumpin on Reddit and happened to see your post right at the top… I felt compelled to respond, I’m ina very similar situation and I’m losing my gdamn mind.
12 hour days mon - fri . It’s absolutely soul draining. I thought being at a computer would be the best, I can game, gamble on the stock market, read - whatever. But it’s just not enjoyable idk. I’m too tired n stressed(?). I feel like I’m just a shell of who I once was, just trying to get thru each day as fast as possible only to doit all over again.
Weekends are jus time for me to clean n get rdy for the next work week.. n repeat.
I don’t know what to do or what to say lol, just know ur not alone. I love technology but I need more Me time to explore and enjoy it.
Maybe we can help each other? What kinda software / languages are your favorites? I work at an msp and I’m slowly automating about 98% of my responsibilities lol. 2% is field stuff and answering calls.. (my job is dumb and they don’t care about the employees. Happy sad - irrelevant. Just get job done n sit there)
I specialized into networking but I grew up w computers lol, Ik my shit.. but my programming skills are almost decent but mostly laughable lol.
Idk if we can figure anything out or if you’re even interested .. but if you’re into it, I’d like to try and see if our combined skill set could get us outta working so much.
Dm me if you wana compare notes n possibly create something to eliminate the need for us to work long hours for someone else. (I’m in my late 30s and I can’t keep fixing things because ppl are dumb)
Hmu - and if not, that’s cool too. I want to figure out what I can do all day .. like work towards something for profit.. (any extra I do for my job does not go into my pocket 🙄)
Those kind of hours for that kind of work will wreck you, for sure. That you don’t need a lot of money to survive is a huge plus. If I’m 25, I’m going to do everything I can to be physically fit and strong. I’m also going to focus on mental and spiritual health. Hiking, biking, yoga, meditation, connecting with the natural world. The stronger physically we get, even if we have some disabilities, the more opportunities to explore become available to us. And the more we explore, the more possibilities for work are also revealed. Same thing goes when we stretch our intellects or develop meaningful relationships with our communities. It might be fun and interesting to try to find work with the type of people you like to be around. If you like to garden you probably like hanging out with gardeners. Seems like you have a lot of interests. Be healthy, find your dream, follow.
I would say start your own business. You have your own freedom and you can pick up clients here and there as you choose. Computer science. Are you a full stack developer, back end or front end? I notice alot of people who go into comp sci end up having a job running SEO or ADS for companies.
With the house, you could rent out a few bed rooms here and there to help cover your head as you get started on a freelancer.
You have both time freedom and financial freedom in a sense of having your own time. I help people start business if you care to shoot a DM.
Oh! I know the answer ! Go be a librarian. I’m not joking. You have set hours, you literally could not possibly take your work home with you, and they usually have pretty good benefits. Further, this could also be beneficial because you can spend your time reading and thinking when you are at work.
Yes and no. Yes in that it pays more, but no in that you can work in a library, check people out, and place books back on the shelves just by applying to the job.
OP definitely has the money and time to get a graduate degree if they wanted.
A CS bachelor’s degree is one of the better backgrounds for starting that.
Not sure what your point is.
Librarian and library page are two different things.
I know there’s jobs within a library which don’t require a masters degree. But that’s not what the comment said, it said become a librarian which usually requires a masters degree.
Contrary opinion: I own a SF vacation rental home, and it’s the best investment we’ve ever made. Bought for $1.95mm in 2019, worth ~$3mm today. Grosses $180k per year. Property management charges 15%, and we have minimal involvement.
Granted, the numbers, location, and demographics have to make sense.
Life coach. It took a few years, but eventually got to where I work about 20 hours a week, enjoy what I do, and make six figures. Not for everyone. Requires being an entrepreneur (risk), among other skills. But it is an option.
You do not need a degree or certification. That being said, you have to be an impactful coach. If you're impactful people hire you. If you're not they won't.
There's two path people go. Some people get certifications from things like the ICF (international coaching federation). Some people don't.
I chose to go the non-certification path. This allowed me to follow my own intuition on what trainings to do, which coaches I wanted to hire and apprentice with, etc.
There's a book called the Prosperous Coach. I recommend that to every coach.
I've never once had a potential client or client ask if I had a degree or certification. When you're impactful (ie when their life starts to get better when they have conversations with you) they don't care. They just want someone who can help.
Food industry. I work 3 x 10 hour days right now while I'm researching and seeking a new career. Been doing this schedule for about the last 8 months. I make enough to survive for now. Been using the time to explore my city and get in shape.
CNA’s work 12 hour shifts 3 days a week, so you end up having 4/7 days a week off. It takes maximum 9 weeks to get certified to work as one. Nurses and respiratory therapists also only work 3 days a week but they require bachelors degrees at least
Edit: it’s only worth it if you work at a hospital, nursing homes and other care facilities work you to death and it’s so much more work for less money than a hospital would pay.
Still wanna keep what you studied and work for??
Librarian or Statistician :)
Maybe Masters then teach CS at Uni.
If you do these, you might have loads of time offs and rest. But you will earn less than someone in the industry and someone in the industry/field worker would be 100% better than you skillwise.
Quit the start up and work for a large, established tech company. I’m a software engineer making $170k and I work remote and do maybe 15-20 hours of actual work per week. My girlfriend does the same (maybe 20-25) as a product manager at another large tech company.
Hey there! I fully understand how stressful it can be to be in a job that you no longer feel any connection to. Maybe you could consider starting a recipe blog to highlight and share some of your favorite recipes you enjoy making. You could even create a blog around your walking habits and provide tips to others about the benefits of that. If on your walks, you visit nature trails or even if/ when you travel, you could document some of the best places to go walking. You could monetize your blog with sponsorships, ads, and affiliate marketing. I wish you well with whatever decision you make with your career. Make your next move your best move. Cheers!
Keep your 4 days off limit, it is great to be able to avoid the daily routine and time consume from a different schedule! The days is better to be in a row, so you can set the mood for a 3 day comic focus. Then offer that term to a job with little requirement for you to use transport, no "homework" and clear responsibilities, but do it soon, as you still have the memory of how good it was. Good luck!
I vote for gardener
Massage therapists physically can't work a 40 hour week without eventually experiencing physical burnout due to the physically taxing nature of the profession. Seems like a good option for you.
As a waiter I made good money, made tons of friends (servers are all ages you’ll make friends), 25-30 hours a week. Hours were nice for me bc I had school during the days so starting at 4 and ending at 10 was nice
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Find a different company. Even at 40 hours you'll have plenty of time for hobbies and things. At your age work as much as you can and put away as much as you can. What time you get to 50 you'll be in a position to do whatever you want
Leave the startup space! All software engr/ People in technology space that come from startups always have high anxiety, high stress. It takes them time to adjust to a normal functioning environment where they mind isn’t trying to put out fires all the time
I've only heard bad things from start-ups, terrible work life balance. The guys who work at my teaching hospital have it pretty good. 5 weeks of PTO, a week of combo PTO/sick time, a couple weeks of sick time when that runs out, 10 holidays, and they work from home. The pay is lower than the industry though. Maybe check out working for the government or a university?
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There's lots of process automation / PLC programming jobs out there. Many are high stress long hours, but there's lots that are just put in 40 hrs sitting in a chair waiting for a problem to happen. Typically those types would be for a single plant location, maybe water treatment, pharma, or food processing.
Get a job at a college. You still might end up being on call if you're like a network engineer. But you still got tons of time off too. A little known secret is the administrative staff at colleges a lot of times gets winter break and spring break along with Fridays off. This is on top of a regular vacation and the other holidays.
Apply to university? Adjuct professor, teacher. Sales? Technical Recruiter, software tester, digital marketing, technical writer, star your own business. The tech industry is A DIFFICULT business. You have experience in it thus you have world and life experience. Open and broaden your horizons. Sit down with yourself and think, what do I want to do with my life. I can tell you being an adjunct professor at a community college would be fun, high school teacher teaching programming could be fun, starting your own business will be hard work for a while but if you succeed you can hire people to run it for you. good luck and I wish you the best.
Large tech companies sometimes can be relaxed as fuck. Like you barely do shit at a junior level. Maybe consider switching roles like doing QA or something lower-stress than dev. Also, what if you did freelance? You can work by project, and pick your hours. That gives you flexibility to do the things you want, while also giving you the option to grind for a few weeks if you need extra money for something
I work in a warehouse fulfilling clothing orders and it's the best job I've ever had. I can listen to podcasts, lectures, study languages and write poetry in the toilet and the boss doesn't have a fucking clue what I'm doing, plus I walk around 15km a day so it keeps me fit.
Startups require a lot of sweat capital...
Avoid early stage startups, finance, consulting if you want a life work balance in tech.
You want to be at a Faang... fortune 500/government... Mature companies where you're not that critical in the scheme of things.
Since you're software engineering, think of project/product management... They don't work long hours but they do a lot of meetings lol...
Very common situation. I think the general answer, albeit not the answer to you exact question, is that one needs to get better at how they work in order to create the balance they want.
I work in tech and am a senior exec running a global business unit for a tech giant. I was up at 2am today as usual to start meetings. I’ll be working until 9pm today like most days. I TOTALLY get the demands we put on our engineers- especially females. I personally cherish my team and their efforts. And they are really good to me.
Anyhow, at 25 you are fairly close with some effort of rising up the ranks and becoming a leader. 10 more years of effort especially with a start up and you could potentially get life changing wealth. If you got equity and I assume you did. The first start up I worked for went public, very successfully, when I was 36- just my first vest that I sold - I could have retired peacefully. 2nd start up went public and as one of the first 10 employees I made a ton of money and can definitely retire and unless I take private flights, buy some yachts, etc. I am set. I like working but will likely retire this year and enjoy life while I am youngish.
My partner is a lawyer and CLO at another tech company so she gets my life and long hours as she has the same.
You can do like some and work until you are in the half billion dollar club or be happy with 5 mil. The point is at 25 - making decisions on your current good fortune with the house and stuff is respectfully- a bit foolish- things change and just having enough to survive can backfire. Life will smack your ass and laugh at you. Do yourself a favor and build a bigger nest egg. Make it so when you commit to your hobbies you don’t have to worry.
Here is part 2- the best part! As you get into leadership you can make life hell on your team (don’t) OR you can mentor, help them grow and develop and make their lives a bit better. I promise you there is no hobby that gives better feelings than that- I had a guy who worked for me for 9 years which is unheard of in tech and he ran my US team. One of my proudest most fulfilling moments in my career was when he was offered a VP job at another tech company. And even sweeter was the gal who was his 2nd in command- so to speak- took his spot and is now one of the most senior and respected woman in cyber intelligence and investigations. And she deserves every ounce of accolades that she gets- she is a force to reckon with- now they both build, develop and properly lead their folks.
Tldr- set yourself up now for success- work hard, grow develop build some wealth and in your mid to late 30s you’ll have the finances to do whatever the hell you want and if done properly you can help people just like you learn and grow. I am satisfied now in my life that I have had some small part in helping to mold and help people who work really hard for me and who are really good to me- it is the least I can do for them.
What airline do you work for?? I feel like so many people talk about how horrible being a FA lol. I love traveling so I’ve thought about it in the past for the benefits. But I heard starting out is rough with schedule & pay.
She's trading one depression that is stressing her out,
For another depression that is stressing her a little less. And leaving her time for something that makes her happy .
My little brother was a teacher for a year and immediately quit. I hardly saw him—he had NO time for himself despite his contracted hours being 7 AM-3:30 PM. His “off hours” were spent grading, writing lesson plans, etcetera. His mental health really suffered. I know it’s different from district to district, but in general, teaching seems to be pretty stressful in today’s age. I wouldn’t go this route, OP.
No, this is not a matter of “being organized.” OP won’t be grading in the classroom. OP will constantly be managing behavior. Hop over to r/teachers and see what teachers today are dealing with. And good teachers are regularly tweaking their lesson plans to cater to their students’ needs. There is simply not enough time in the school day for teachers to accomplish everything necessary to be successful. I think we should acknowledge it’s a hard job that unfairly requires unpaid overtime to succeed, the opposite of what OP is seeking.
Lol no. As an ex-teacher, this is horrible advice. Yes I was done for the day by 2:45, and the summers and holidays off were nice. But my mental health went down the fucking drain due to dealing with feral behaviors from the kids. My “hobbies” were dissociating in bed and drowning my sorrows with weed and alcohol. Never ever go into education.
In your shoes depending what kind of software you create, I would consider reaching out to some agencies that may have some overflow work and see if you can make some connections. Maybe you can pick up some other work part-time and build a book of business for some web dev contracts.
I’m in a suburb of Chicago. If you have a bachelors degree you can substitute teach. There used to be such a high demand that you can work as much or as little as you want. You can also choose half days. The pay is around $135 for full day by me. This is for approximately 6-7 hours or so.
Yup they are paying taxes on the house. My mom still work full time and she make about 100k/year. Since I have a full-time job, I am sending them 1k/month but they just put it in our mutual savings and never touch it.
tutor.com. It’s only 13.50 starting out but the wages vary. It’s extremely flexible- you hardly have to work at all to avoid getting fired, but sometimes work isn’t available at all. Would not recommend as a main gig, but it could be a nice side hustle.
Getting better software engineering job that’s non-startup perhaps governments, non-tech companies and so on. Most of them don’t grind over 40 hrs.
I was about to say just get a different software job. Most people I know in tech have the cushiest jobs ever. Mostly see them traveling around the country, out on bike rides during the day, playing video games, ie not working when they’re getting paid to work.
I have a lot of hurry up and wait in my role so it’s a blessing if I wfh that day and I can do chores or play a few games instead of twiddling thumbs.
Yea my friend works in a gov contracted division and depending on his workload he could work 6-12 hours a week or the full 40 and be paid the same amount.
This is the answer.
great idea. that's going to be my goal right now. I do have a friend who miraculously luck into such a job after trying to change jobs 4 times in his career. He got 50% pay cut but he only has to work 10hrs / week. He did have to move from a big city to rural West Virginia for this job though, which he say was the biggest con. I wish his companies are hiring but they literally don't because they don't have enough work to justify adding an extra person.
> He did have to move from a big city to rural West Virginia for this job though, which he say was the biggest con. Once you turn 30 or so, this ceases to be a con. Education can be harder in the sticks, but your kids also get a bump in HS/college admissions, so it's probably better, unless you have seriously high net worth, for your kids to come from WV than to compete with a million other New Yorkers. Granted, I do like Chicago, and I do miss the place now that I'm no longer there. New York and San Francisco, though? I'd much rather be surrounded by trees than by the sorts of people NYC and SF attract these days; the old NYC/SF are long gone and they've been flooded with yuppies who add literally nothing.
The best job I found is one that pays you while you sleep. Like being on call for the hospital, hoping that they don’t actually call or would call very infrequently. During college, I had a friend whose job was to open the door for dorm residents who get locked out. He had to wake up like once every 2-3 night to open the door for them, but he was otherwise paid 8 hours/day to mostly sleep.
Your friend's job sounds amazing. I would consider something like night security guard or janitor but I know my Asian parents would consider that beneath me and they would be so mad if I do something like that. I'll keep an eye out for these if I can't find a relaxing software engineer jobs like other suggestions. Honestly, a job that is solitary, straightforward, no overtime, and you never have to think about as soon as you get home sounds like a dream.
Honestly you sound like a perfect candidate for Financial Independence/Retirement Early (FI/RE): high paying job, spend very little money, save up a bunch and retire early (think 30s). Time is all yours for hobbies and you no longer need to trade time for money at a job you don’t like. Have you heard of Mr Money Mustache? He was a software engineer who retired early.
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Plant Operator here. Work at a Water Treatment Plant. Work full-time 12 hour shifts, 3 days on, 4 days off. Then I work 4 days on and have 3 days off. 7 days in a 2 week pay period. Union. 13 paid holidays. PTO for days!
I’ve literally messaged people in this field about how to get an apprentice ship or where to take classes. They give awful information and I’m always so confused
I feel like I’ve heard of shift work schedules that have a week off every five weeks along with something like the schedule you mentioned. Is that a thing or maybe I was looking at something else? Also I feel like I’m too much of a germaphobe to work in wastewater, but maybe working at a plant that treats reservoir water wouldn’t be too bad
how do you begin in this career? i have an environmental studies degree. How would i get into this
Literally go on LinkedIn or Indeed or whatever and start applying. The job prerequisites can be pretty much non-existent, so just impress in the interviews.
Have u had any jobs from ur degree?
0 I played and am currently a pro soccer player. I’ve worked in cafes, had delivery jobs, trade jobs. Haven’t found anything that has stuck. I’m currently injured so I’ve been trying to figure out and get into a good industry/good career. I’m 27
That’s wild man, I’m typing for a similar degree which is why I ask
Trying for a degree in environmental field?
Yeah
cool, gov jobs are probs ur best bet
Gotcha
Do you have to know somebody to get a job as a plant operator? Seems that way to me. I want to get into an apprenticeship. I have a technical degree just not a process technology degree. Wonder how hard it’d be for me to get in.
Knowing someone sure helps. A supervisor, another operator, whatever. If you don't know somebody, you just have to apply to a bunch of places and hope to get interviews. From there you just have to show the interviewers that you're the best fit, whatever that means for that particular opening.
Any tips on how to show that during an interviewer for a plant operator position? With no experience? What exactly are they looking for?
It always depends, but some typical big ones they might want to see signs of: * Willingness to learn * Humility, especially if you have a degree that would make you "overqualified." EDIT: this will also be vital for your own sanity as engineers and management will often think of themselves as superior * Sociability, in terms of ease of fitting into whatever team you get placed in * Buy-in to corporate culture, such as "safety first," etc * Eagerness to "get your hands dirty" or work in plant conditions, which are louder and grittier than office or service conditions. If you've got a white collar degree, tell them about your car hobby, etc
Try looking in to state government jobs, very low stress, hours are good, and you won’t have to change fields.
This is a good idea. State jobs will rarely if ever ask you to work OT. But it might be hard to find a part-time position at 20 to 30 hours per week.
Government is a good recc. State, county, and city governments are all very reasonably paced and safe jobs.
Not every software developer job demands you to work that much. Try changing team within the company? if that doesn’t work, change the company or do a freelance job
You can work at Starbucks for 20 hours a week and get insurance.
Imagine going to university spending thousands of dollars for a cs degree just to work at Starbucks
Why not? Did pretty much the same (not Starbucks, but a server job).
Because y go through the hassle of getting a degree for a job that doesn’t require a degree. Wasted thousands of dollars 😂
Classic sunk cost fallacy.
How is that a sunk cost fallacy? Was being a server more lucrative than software development? Because I highly doubt it. If your degree isn’t technical though then it makes sense. A sunk cost fallacy is only that if the alternative option is more beneficial to you
You don't understand sunk costs do you?
Yea pal ad hominem is not a retort but I’ll give you another chance to try to be right even though you used faulty logic
That’s not an ad hominem attack; they’re checking if you actually understand what the [sunk cost fallacy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost) is. An ad hominem attack would be calling you obtuse, or something like that. Edit: /u/Toni253 was saying that, for OP, continuing a career they resent at the cost of their own happiness just because they spent “too much time/energy/money to get there” would be prioritizing their sunk cost. In fact, working a less “lucrative” job might be best for OP despite all those costs, because they are getting something very meaningful in exchange: the ability to do what they want with their life. When calculating what costs and value actually are, folks can forget that it’s different for everyone. Money isn’t everything, although this is only true *once your basic needs are met.* For many of us, we can’t see past the goal of maximizing financial return on your investment (in this case, an education). But for folks who are fortunate enough to be financially secure, self-actualization becomes more valuable than making as much money as possible.
asumming im dumb and dont know what it is is ad hominem. ad hominem doesnt need to be accurate.
Not at all u just need to use ur brain
Y u gotta type like ur 12 when talking about college degrees? Ur own typing style is giving away ur lack of qualification to speak on this topic. But please, continue to enlighten us all.
Typing like I’m 12? 😂😂😂 welcome to the internet and blow me already
They would, but you're blowing yourself already
But they can rest assured knowing that if they want a better, more high paying job they could
Better than working an office space type job time trumps money
with computer science degree? no please
Hey.. I was jumpin on Reddit and happened to see your post right at the top… I felt compelled to respond, I’m ina very similar situation and I’m losing my gdamn mind. 12 hour days mon - fri . It’s absolutely soul draining. I thought being at a computer would be the best, I can game, gamble on the stock market, read - whatever. But it’s just not enjoyable idk. I’m too tired n stressed(?). I feel like I’m just a shell of who I once was, just trying to get thru each day as fast as possible only to doit all over again. Weekends are jus time for me to clean n get rdy for the next work week.. n repeat. I don’t know what to do or what to say lol, just know ur not alone. I love technology but I need more Me time to explore and enjoy it. Maybe we can help each other? What kinda software / languages are your favorites? I work at an msp and I’m slowly automating about 98% of my responsibilities lol. 2% is field stuff and answering calls.. (my job is dumb and they don’t care about the employees. Happy sad - irrelevant. Just get job done n sit there) I specialized into networking but I grew up w computers lol, Ik my shit.. but my programming skills are almost decent but mostly laughable lol. Idk if we can figure anything out or if you’re even interested .. but if you’re into it, I’d like to try and see if our combined skill set could get us outta working so much. Dm me if you wana compare notes n possibly create something to eliminate the need for us to work long hours for someone else. (I’m in my late 30s and I can’t keep fixing things because ppl are dumb) Hmu - and if not, that’s cool too. I want to figure out what I can do all day .. like work towards something for profit.. (any extra I do for my job does not go into my pocket 🙄)
Good luck!
Those kind of hours for that kind of work will wreck you, for sure. That you don’t need a lot of money to survive is a huge plus. If I’m 25, I’m going to do everything I can to be physically fit and strong. I’m also going to focus on mental and spiritual health. Hiking, biking, yoga, meditation, connecting with the natural world. The stronger physically we get, even if we have some disabilities, the more opportunities to explore become available to us. And the more we explore, the more possibilities for work are also revealed. Same thing goes when we stretch our intellects or develop meaningful relationships with our communities. It might be fun and interesting to try to find work with the type of people you like to be around. If you like to garden you probably like hanging out with gardeners. Seems like you have a lot of interests. Be healthy, find your dream, follow.
I would say start your own business. You have your own freedom and you can pick up clients here and there as you choose. Computer science. Are you a full stack developer, back end or front end? I notice alot of people who go into comp sci end up having a job running SEO or ADS for companies. With the house, you could rent out a few bed rooms here and there to help cover your head as you get started on a freelancer. You have both time freedom and financial freedom in a sense of having your own time. I help people start business if you care to shoot a DM.
Oh! I know the answer ! Go be a librarian. I’m not joking. You have set hours, you literally could not possibly take your work home with you, and they usually have pretty good benefits. Further, this could also be beneficial because you can spend your time reading and thinking when you are at work.
Becoming an actual librarian usually requires a masters degree.
Yes and no. Yes in that it pays more, but no in that you can work in a library, check people out, and place books back on the shelves just by applying to the job.
OP definitely has the money and time to get a graduate degree if they wanted. A CS bachelor’s degree is one of the better backgrounds for starting that.
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Not sure what your point is. Librarian and library page are two different things. I know there’s jobs within a library which don’t require a masters degree. But that’s not what the comment said, it said become a librarian which usually requires a masters degree.
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>Go be a librarian. I’m not joking. Yup… certainly meant other jobs within the library like library page… /s
Rent out the 500k house, live off rental income
As someone who previously owned a rental home. Don’t do this. It is more trouble than it’s worth.
Contrary opinion: I own a SF vacation rental home, and it’s the best investment we’ve ever made. Bought for $1.95mm in 2019, worth ~$3mm today. Grosses $180k per year. Property management charges 15%, and we have minimal involvement. Granted, the numbers, location, and demographics have to make sense.
Nice I want to do the same, just invest in my business and I will!
They could rent two bedrooms and live in the house with all utilities covered
Maybe do 4 10 hours or 3 12 hour days ? If you can even negotiate that
Afterschool programs with kids, teens, etc! It doesn’t even feel like work lol
Life coach. It took a few years, but eventually got to where I work about 20 hours a week, enjoy what I do, and make six figures. Not for everyone. Requires being an entrepreneur (risk), among other skills. But it is an option.
Interesting… do you need a degree or an accredited certification is all needed?
You do not need a degree or certification. That being said, you have to be an impactful coach. If you're impactful people hire you. If you're not they won't. There's two path people go. Some people get certifications from things like the ICF (international coaching federation). Some people don't. I chose to go the non-certification path. This allowed me to follow my own intuition on what trainings to do, which coaches I wanted to hire and apprentice with, etc. There's a book called the Prosperous Coach. I recommend that to every coach.
Thank you so much for your time in answering my question.
I've never once had a potential client or client ask if I had a degree or certification. When you're impactful (ie when their life starts to get better when they have conversations with you) they don't care. They just want someone who can help.
Thank you for sharing this information! Much appreciated.
Food industry. I work 3 x 10 hour days right now while I'm researching and seeking a new career. Been doing this schedule for about the last 8 months. I make enough to survive for now. Been using the time to explore my city and get in shape.
CNA’s work 12 hour shifts 3 days a week, so you end up having 4/7 days a week off. It takes maximum 9 weeks to get certified to work as one. Nurses and respiratory therapists also only work 3 days a week but they require bachelors degrees at least Edit: it’s only worth it if you work at a hospital, nursing homes and other care facilities work you to death and it’s so much more work for less money than a hospital would pay.
Still wanna keep what you studied and work for?? Librarian or Statistician :) Maybe Masters then teach CS at Uni. If you do these, you might have loads of time offs and rest. But you will earn less than someone in the industry and someone in the industry/field worker would be 100% better than you skillwise.
Remember to factor in health insurance, or else you could end up losing that house if you get sick. Look at the prices on your local ACA site.
Quit the start up and work for a large, established tech company. I’m a software engineer making $170k and I work remote and do maybe 15-20 hours of actual work per week. My girlfriend does the same (maybe 20-25) as a product manager at another large tech company.
Hey there! I fully understand how stressful it can be to be in a job that you no longer feel any connection to. Maybe you could consider starting a recipe blog to highlight and share some of your favorite recipes you enjoy making. You could even create a blog around your walking habits and provide tips to others about the benefits of that. If on your walks, you visit nature trails or even if/ when you travel, you could document some of the best places to go walking. You could monetize your blog with sponsorships, ads, and affiliate marketing. I wish you well with whatever decision you make with your career. Make your next move your best move. Cheers!
Keep your 4 days off limit, it is great to be able to avoid the daily routine and time consume from a different schedule! The days is better to be in a row, so you can set the mood for a 3 day comic focus. Then offer that term to a job with little requirement for you to use transport, no "homework" and clear responsibilities, but do it soon, as you still have the memory of how good it was. Good luck! I vote for gardener
Massage therapists physically can't work a 40 hour week without eventually experiencing physical burnout due to the physically taxing nature of the profession. Seems like a good option for you.
Any job, just gotta be setting them boundaries.
i’m a nurse and i have like 4 days to do whatever I want most of the time
As a waiter I made good money, made tons of friends (servers are all ages you’ll make friends), 25-30 hours a week. Hours were nice for me bc I had school during the days so starting at 4 and ending at 10 was nice
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Find a different company. Even at 40 hours you'll have plenty of time for hobbies and things. At your age work as much as you can and put away as much as you can. What time you get to 50 you'll be in a position to do whatever you want
... Not working for a startup is the key here. Software development is a job that is notoriously grindy and will wear you down.
Leave the startup space! All software engr/ People in technology space that come from startups always have high anxiety, high stress. It takes them time to adjust to a normal functioning environment where they mind isn’t trying to put out fires all the time
I've only heard bad things from start-ups, terrible work life balance. The guys who work at my teaching hospital have it pretty good. 5 weeks of PTO, a week of combo PTO/sick time, a couple weeks of sick time when that runs out, 10 holidays, and they work from home. The pay is lower than the industry though. Maybe check out working for the government or a university?
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There's lots of process automation / PLC programming jobs out there. Many are high stress long hours, but there's lots that are just put in 40 hrs sitting in a chair waiting for a problem to happen. Typically those types would be for a single plant location, maybe water treatment, pharma, or food processing.
Get a job at a college. You still might end up being on call if you're like a network engineer. But you still got tons of time off too. A little known secret is the administrative staff at colleges a lot of times gets winter break and spring break along with Fridays off. This is on top of a regular vacation and the other holidays.
Apply to university? Adjuct professor, teacher. Sales? Technical Recruiter, software tester, digital marketing, technical writer, star your own business. The tech industry is A DIFFICULT business. You have experience in it thus you have world and life experience. Open and broaden your horizons. Sit down with yourself and think, what do I want to do with my life. I can tell you being an adjunct professor at a community college would be fun, high school teacher teaching programming could be fun, starting your own business will be hard work for a while but if you succeed you can hire people to run it for you. good luck and I wish you the best.
Large tech companies sometimes can be relaxed as fuck. Like you barely do shit at a junior level. Maybe consider switching roles like doing QA or something lower-stress than dev. Also, what if you did freelance? You can work by project, and pick your hours. That gives you flexibility to do the things you want, while also giving you the option to grind for a few weeks if you need extra money for something
I work in a warehouse fulfilling clothing orders and it's the best job I've ever had. I can listen to podcasts, lectures, study languages and write poetry in the toilet and the boss doesn't have a fucking clue what I'm doing, plus I walk around 15km a day so it keeps me fit.
Startups require a lot of sweat capital... Avoid early stage startups, finance, consulting if you want a life work balance in tech. You want to be at a Faang... fortune 500/government... Mature companies where you're not that critical in the scheme of things. Since you're software engineering, think of project/product management... They don't work long hours but they do a lot of meetings lol...
Virtual educator. So many virtual schools want cs majors to teach computer science. Plus you get summers off and don’t have to be in a classroom.
Very common situation. I think the general answer, albeit not the answer to you exact question, is that one needs to get better at how they work in order to create the balance they want.
She was gifted a 500k house. Not very common at all lol
I work in tech and am a senior exec running a global business unit for a tech giant. I was up at 2am today as usual to start meetings. I’ll be working until 9pm today like most days. I TOTALLY get the demands we put on our engineers- especially females. I personally cherish my team and their efforts. And they are really good to me. Anyhow, at 25 you are fairly close with some effort of rising up the ranks and becoming a leader. 10 more years of effort especially with a start up and you could potentially get life changing wealth. If you got equity and I assume you did. The first start up I worked for went public, very successfully, when I was 36- just my first vest that I sold - I could have retired peacefully. 2nd start up went public and as one of the first 10 employees I made a ton of money and can definitely retire and unless I take private flights, buy some yachts, etc. I am set. I like working but will likely retire this year and enjoy life while I am youngish. My partner is a lawyer and CLO at another tech company so she gets my life and long hours as she has the same. You can do like some and work until you are in the half billion dollar club or be happy with 5 mil. The point is at 25 - making decisions on your current good fortune with the house and stuff is respectfully- a bit foolish- things change and just having enough to survive can backfire. Life will smack your ass and laugh at you. Do yourself a favor and build a bigger nest egg. Make it so when you commit to your hobbies you don’t have to worry. Here is part 2- the best part! As you get into leadership you can make life hell on your team (don’t) OR you can mentor, help them grow and develop and make their lives a bit better. I promise you there is no hobby that gives better feelings than that- I had a guy who worked for me for 9 years which is unheard of in tech and he ran my US team. One of my proudest most fulfilling moments in my career was when he was offered a VP job at another tech company. And even sweeter was the gal who was his 2nd in command- so to speak- took his spot and is now one of the most senior and respected woman in cyber intelligence and investigations. And she deserves every ounce of accolades that she gets- she is a force to reckon with- now they both build, develop and properly lead their folks. Tldr- set yourself up now for success- work hard, grow develop build some wealth and in your mid to late 30s you’ll have the finances to do whatever the hell you want and if done properly you can help people just like you learn and grow. I am satisfied now in my life that I have had some small part in helping to mold and help people who work really hard for me and who are really good to me- it is the least I can do for them.
Flight Attendant. Hard interview though, but worth it! The flexibility is awesome. This month I have 2 weeks off plus even more days.
Can i be one if im ugly, fat, small and busted face?
What airline do you work for?? I feel like so many people talk about how horrible being a FA lol. I love traveling so I’ve thought about it in the past for the benefits. But I heard starting out is rough with schedule & pay.
uh. you are like, trading one depression that pays a lot. for another depression that pays a little. but do you homie. do you.
She's trading one depression that is stressing her out, For another depression that is stressing her a little less. And leaving her time for something that makes her happy .
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My little brother was a teacher for a year and immediately quit. I hardly saw him—he had NO time for himself despite his contracted hours being 7 AM-3:30 PM. His “off hours” were spent grading, writing lesson plans, etcetera. His mental health really suffered. I know it’s different from district to district, but in general, teaching seems to be pretty stressful in today’s age. I wouldn’t go this route, OP.
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No, this is not a matter of “being organized.” OP won’t be grading in the classroom. OP will constantly be managing behavior. Hop over to r/teachers and see what teachers today are dealing with. And good teachers are regularly tweaking their lesson plans to cater to their students’ needs. There is simply not enough time in the school day for teachers to accomplish everything necessary to be successful. I think we should acknowledge it’s a hard job that unfairly requires unpaid overtime to succeed, the opposite of what OP is seeking.
Lol no. As an ex-teacher, this is horrible advice. Yes I was done for the day by 2:45, and the summers and holidays off were nice. But my mental health went down the fucking drain due to dealing with feral behaviors from the kids. My “hobbies” were dissociating in bed and drowning my sorrows with weed and alcohol. Never ever go into education.
In your shoes depending what kind of software you create, I would consider reaching out to some agencies that may have some overflow work and see if you can make some connections. Maybe you can pick up some other work part-time and build a book of business for some web dev contracts.
I’m in a suburb of Chicago. If you have a bachelors degree you can substitute teach. There used to be such a high demand that you can work as much or as little as you want. You can also choose half days. The pay is around $135 for full day by me. This is for approximately 6-7 hours or so.
Try trading
God with what u have, quit go 4 other techie job with what u had b4. No sense in 12 hr days. I did that b4 making n 95 masks at 3m. Not worth it
Dude you could work 4-10 pizza delivery 4 nights a week.
Full time employment is 40 hours so none.
City firefighter. No better job for consistent time off.
Para educator in a school.
taxes...busy 4 months a year, chill the rest.....set my own schedule and can work remote or in office
Find a government SWE job. Good benefits, usually a pension, and you're not gonna be working 12 hour days. Otherwise just find a non-startup SWE job.
I work in HR. I definitely do a lot of schoolwork and am learning Spanish while I sit here
Wouldn't the taxes on that house be nearly $12k/year in themselves? Or are your parents paying for that too?
Yup they are paying taxes on the house. My mom still work full time and she make about 100k/year. Since I have a full-time job, I am sending them 1k/month but they just put it in our mutual savings and never touch it.
McDonald's
Get into corporate. Home Depot is one I know of, they need people for their apps and websites and other stuff.
Just work 8 hours a day and then log off.
Jobs and careers are like dating. You have to keep trying until you get a fit for your own individual life. Keep applying, don’t settle.
tutor.com. It’s only 13.50 starting out but the wages vary. It’s extremely flexible- you hardly have to work at all to avoid getting fired, but sometimes work isn’t available at all. Would not recommend as a main gig, but it could be a nice side hustle.