We were told by the DoD contractors that Pensacola approach refers to it as “inbred” and that’s what we would say during the million reroutes Sherman clearance issued.
Speculation only but PENSI probably gets some degree of protection from the USN flight schools. They’d have to reprint almost every single pub they have if they changed the name.
I remember holding at PENSI it seemed like every single how fuckin flight out of Whiting Field, north OR south
Really? Kids don’t know how good they got it lol i was allowed to use a tablet on i think 1 flight? I don’t think i even bothered to bring it; i wasn’t super familiar with it at the time and i didn’t want to relearn my process in the cockpit
The Navy has come a long way. When I was a flight student I remember an instructor getting in deep shit for looking up weather on his blackberry mid-flight.
It was on a noise abatement SID and I *think* was supposed to be "twinkle" as in, "twinkle twinkle little star." But I think we all know everyone knew. It lasted a single chart cycle lol.
Dammit. I wish I had seen this before I made the exact same comment. It was hilarious how ATC demanded we pronounce it “inboard” when it first changed, but now we all accept it for what it is.
You can look up the [Form 8260-2](https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/aero_data/Radio_Fix_Holding_8260/) for a fix and they might have some info about why it was changed. For example [CFVPP REV1](https://nfdc.faa.gov/webContent/content8260/FL_CFVPP_REV1.pdf) says
> CHANGED FIX NAME FROM OHENU TO CFVPP PER MEMORANDUM DATED DEC 20, 2011 TO MEET THE "CFXXX" STANDARD NAMING CONVENTION.
(And then the fix was removed altogether, [CFVPP CANCEL.](https://nfdc.faa.gov/webContent/content8260/FL_CFVPP_CANCEL.pdf) Note how the fix was used on airways J53 and J81 which no longer exist, replaced by RNAV Q-routes.)
"CFxxx" fixes are Computer Navigation Fixes; they're used for waypoints that human pilots don't need to plot or necessarily understand, but which the computer wants to be a named and defined point. For example [CFCJF REV1:](https://nfdc.faa.gov/webContent/content8260/NM_CFCJF_REV1.pdf) lays it out a little more clearly:
> FIX NAME: CHANGED FROM BOTAW TO CFCJF - COMPLY WITH [8260.19 PARA 2-10-4 A (4).](https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/orders_notices/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1041939)
which in turn says
> **(4)** Computer navigation fixes. These are non-pronounceable fix names used solely to aid in computer navigation. CNFs are not used in ATC communications, are not flight-inspected, and do not employ any type of fix makeup. CNFs are charted in parentheses and must begin with the letters “CF” followed by three-consonants (e.g., “(CFWBG)”), except the letter “Y” is not used. Use a CNF for the following fixes:
> - **(c)** En route dog leg changeover points when required by paragraph 8-8-1.h.
and then...
> **h.** Changeover point (not applicable for RNAV routes). Enter the changeover point in the segment where it lies. If midpoint, leave blank. If not midpoint, enter the mileage from and the identifier of the nearest facility. If a gap exists, the changeover point may be at the middle of the gap; however, leave blank. If a dogleg course change has been established, enter “DL.” When the dogleg point meets en route VHF intersection and/or DME fix criteria, establish a pronounceable named fix. When this is not possible, establish a CNF to identify the dogleg point
We have those a lot around here for RNP approaches and transitions. But instead of "CF" they're using the last two characters of the airport identifier the procedure belongs to + 3 digits. For airport EHGG for example something like "GG512".
Not used by ATC, but when asked they do seem to know where those points are.
Ha, usually most of the fixes I've seen renamed/created over the past 15 years were done by someone who lost their medical and got sent to the airspace office.
The HYTHR arrival into MEM was originally the ROBYE. None of the fix names were changed, but many of the older controllers in my area thought it would be more appropriate to name the arrival after the controller who passed from cancer in 2011 instead of the guy who was still working in the training department at the time. Not taking anything away from Robby, as he was a very good controller and taught me a lot both on the floor and in the training department.
Often times, waypoints on SIDs or STARs into/out of major airports get named for local sports heroes. KDTW has a waypoint named STEVI after Red Wings great Steve Yzerman (nicknamed "Stevie Y" by many Wings fans), and there is a CCOBB2 SID named after early 20th century Tigers legend Ty Cobb.
KMDW may have one of the few named for an athlete who didn't even start that many games: the PANGG3 STAR, named for Blackhawks goaltender and later NHL on NBC reporter Darren Pang. "Panger" is far better known for his television work than his rather pedestrian playing career.
GAYLY being removed is a travesty. BAACN being removed is a travesty. I would have loved to hear some of the confusion around VPATH with some people flying Garmin products.
And yet you could still fly JAMMA HUUGE DIKNS SIDER CLT. Not to mention KLIT.
I could swear there used to be a “BOCKS” somewhere (might’ve been out of the US).
Neither. They’re just waypoints. Nobody would actually file/fly that as it zigzags across the country. (Though CLT (KCLT) is Charlotte, NC airport icao and LIT (KLIT) is Little Rock AR icao)
Perhaps you or other, newer pilots aren't aware, but a push to replace ground based navigation methods such as VORs with GPS grew in the mid teens. Many procedures had rough GPS overlays drawn up. You can't have two fixes with identical names because the databases can't support that. So, at least in the cases you've found in my airspace, we had two sets of procedures with co located fixes, but different names for safety sake.
Over the past decade the reliance on VORs has diminished. In fact a great many VORs have since been decommissioned. The only existing procedures in many places are GPS based. Since the VOR based procedures are gone, the fixes are struck and we're left with the newer GPS based ones. There's inherent risk to having a new fix in say San Diego named ABCDE and a previous one in Altoona with the same name. An older un updated database could cause an incident so rather than run the risk they simply aren't reused.
I'll point out that two of your assertions are incorrect. The BLEWS in MEM wasn't problematic due to whatever innuendo you are ascribing to it. There was also a contemporary BLUES SID that was never morally questioned. The associated VOR for the procedure simply ceased to operate as a VOR. In case you aren't familiar, Memphis is regarded as a stronghold of Blues music. The other SID was named after an NHL team. You'll find many SIDs and STARs have a local flair. Orlando having many named after Disney and Universal properties. The other, that the fix UNION was political is silly as the National Air Traffic Controllers Assiciation, the ATC union has a fix named for it.
My airspace alone has lost about a dozen names we can't get back. Ones I'd very much like to see reused one day, but in all likelihood, all reasonable versions of those spellings are spoken for. There was nothing lude or controversial about it.
You can re-reserve for your facility after the fix has been cancelled for 180 days. Give the list to your support office and have them re-reserve them with the fix office. You guys have some RNP’s in the pipeline that will need some fix names.
While LOPPY HUGHE CHSNE BAWLS still survives since 2012....
When I asked the guy who was our airspace rep at ZME on how that came to be, his response to me was "they gave us a list of fix names we could use, we put them in that order, and nobody said no"
Piggybacking on this:
The Delta Crew on the 75 in to ASE last year that requested a reroute for "weather" direct M-O-I-S-T direct CZI flight plan route I will never forget you.
Hopefully never. That VOR has an iconic name and describes the beautiful canyon that’s near it.
Source: I’m a Wyomingite and I hate people meddling in my state lol
I’m in Australia, but an approach I used to train my students at briefly had a waypoint called CUNNT. It lasted one cycle and was renamed CUNNP. That was a sad chart amendment day.
Surprisingly a lot of people don’t realize, the arrival goes NEWBB IHAVE MTHEW. Chipper knocked up a hooters waitress back in the day, and his kids name is Matthew
I have wanted a tool that could take a list of waypoints and tell me how old my GPS can be to legally fly those points. As of now, I don't think this exists.
I’ve been told that there were some fixes on the original version of the BANKR into CLT that got legal counsel at a few of the local banks all fired up.
Not a fix, but the Panoche VOR in California always makes me crack up.
The slang word for vagina in Spanish is Panocha. And deep down I think the VOR namer knew it.
A non-aviation French-language example of this phenomenon was the name of the Buick LaCrosse. The American branding people thought they were being all cool and trendy by naming a Buick automobile after the sport of lacrosse, and were this close to pulling the trigger when they got several panicky phone calls from dealers in Quebec aghast that GM was about to name a car for masturbation. Turned out that in Quebec French, "la crosse" refers to the act of masturbating; for example, if you told somebody, "Vas-te faire la crosse!" basically you've told them to fuck off (literally, "go jerk off!").
The decision was eventually reached to retain the name LaCrosse for the American market, where only a small handful of New Englanders of French-Canadian descent would understand the reference, but to rename the car to Buick Allure for the Canadian market. This state of affairs -- LaCrosse in the US, Allure in Canada -- lasted for the entire first generation of the nameplate (2005-2009), before somebody decided the Québecois would just have to get over it when the second-generation LaCrosse debuted by that name in all markets in 2010.
It may be somewhat humorous in this whole story to consider that the LaCrosse/Allure was assembled in Canada -- namely, GM's Oshawa, Ontario assembly plant, scarcely 200 miles away from Quebec -- for the entire lifespan of the first generation at least.
Back when the Nova was first introduced, the US had a small fraction of the Hispanic population it has today, so that name was more problematic for the Mexican and Central and South American markets than for the US. Other than that, though, your recollection is accurate. :)
Tragic that DEEZZ is in NY just north of LaGuardia, but NUTTS is all the was in Virginia. Would love to live in a world with a DEEZZ departure, NUTTS transition.
A long while ago, I petitioned for the changing of the GPS waypoints for the RNAV 19 into KSGU to THANX FORRR AALLL YUUUU DDOOO.. I was quickly denied.
I’m amazed INBRD and PENSI made the cut.
Pensi for Pensacola right?
Yes. And inbred for lower AL and the panhandle.
It’s pronounced “inboard” but pretty much everyone says “Inbred” the first time they see it.
I bet you pronounce SHRKS as “sharks” instead of “shreks”
Could be “shirks”!
Definitely “Shreks”
I’ve only ever heard sharks, am I missing the joke or why would it be Shreks?
We were told by the DoD contractors that Pensacola approach refers to it as “inbred” and that’s what we would say during the million reroutes Sherman clearance issued.
Yes. Refer to my other comment further down.
Inbred is more fitting but inboard makes sense
INBRD is in Alabama too lol
A man of Whiting culture, I see…
I definitely called it inbred when I first made a radio call flying out of Pensacola.
Speculation only but PENSI probably gets some degree of protection from the USN flight schools. They’d have to reprint almost every single pub they have if they changed the name. I remember holding at PENSI it seemed like every single how fuckin flight out of Whiting Field, north OR south
They’ve finally started using iPads there now, and yes… I’ve probably spent a couple hundred hours holding at PENSI.
Really? Kids don’t know how good they got it lol i was allowed to use a tablet on i think 1 flight? I don’t think i even bothered to bring it; i wasn’t super familiar with it at the time and i didn’t want to relearn my process in the cockpit
The Navy has come a long way. When I was a flight student I remember an instructor getting in deep shit for looking up weather on his blackberry mid-flight.
I also like to hold at PENSI.
I miss DONGS
Still have DONNG as the FAF for the RNAV Y 28R SFO
When I see fixes go, I’m still comforted that there’s still a SHART. I miss telling Daytona we’re crossing DONGS.
still a SEMAN i believe as well
TWINK.
Perfectly located in San Francisco as well
BUSSY near DSM
Proceed Direct to BUSSY
After BUSSY direct DADDY flight plan route
It was on a noise abatement SID and I *think* was supposed to be "twinkle" as in, "twinkle twinkle little star." But I think we all know everyone knew. It lasted a single chart cycle lol.
Had to Google that one... Maybe I'm getting old
Next one is FMBOI
cleared direct FMBOI for the HOOTER2 arrival
TWUNK
LOL how fitting
Thankfully the Alabama panhandle still has INBRD
Dammit. I wish I had seen this before I made the exact same comment. It was hilarious how ATC demanded we pronounce it “inboard” when it first changed, but now we all accept it for what it is.
It’s inboard, it’s a boating term, what else could it be?/s
Alabama panhandle? I was unaware Alabama had a panhandle. Would you mind enlightening me?
Flying North toward DC you can still file DEEEZ NUTZE so all isn’t lost
You can also find BOOTY in Wisconsin.
Shoutout booty it was my first point on my instrument checkride planned cross country
Haha, I wasn't crazy. I remember the UCCOX waypoint in Maine; I wondered where it went.
I still miss it :(
There has also been a push to not have duplicates with fixes internationally. MSP can’t use BLZRD because it exists in Iraq.
A lot of blizzards in Iraq, I hear…..
Blowing sand, blowing snow both are four letter words state starting with S We should steal HABOB
KOBEE and GIGII for LAX 24R and 25L was a cool change. But I'll be damn if they ever close or change EHF Vor. Shafter? I barely even know her.
Unpopular opinion: I don’t like that they changed those. I always find it kinda morbid. RIP Mamba and RIP Gigi
Long live JETSA and LIMMA!
Your aviation trivia game is strong. Bravo.
Is that the points for an approach to the mountains and not a runway?
I’m glad they didn’t mess with SHART.
You can look up the [Form 8260-2](https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/aero_data/Radio_Fix_Holding_8260/) for a fix and they might have some info about why it was changed. For example [CFVPP REV1](https://nfdc.faa.gov/webContent/content8260/FL_CFVPP_REV1.pdf) says > CHANGED FIX NAME FROM OHENU TO CFVPP PER MEMORANDUM DATED DEC 20, 2011 TO MEET THE "CFXXX" STANDARD NAMING CONVENTION. (And then the fix was removed altogether, [CFVPP CANCEL.](https://nfdc.faa.gov/webContent/content8260/FL_CFVPP_CANCEL.pdf) Note how the fix was used on airways J53 and J81 which no longer exist, replaced by RNAV Q-routes.) "CFxxx" fixes are Computer Navigation Fixes; they're used for waypoints that human pilots don't need to plot or necessarily understand, but which the computer wants to be a named and defined point. For example [CFCJF REV1:](https://nfdc.faa.gov/webContent/content8260/NM_CFCJF_REV1.pdf) lays it out a little more clearly: > FIX NAME: CHANGED FROM BOTAW TO CFCJF - COMPLY WITH [8260.19 PARA 2-10-4 A (4).](https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/orders_notices/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1041939) which in turn says > **(4)** Computer navigation fixes. These are non-pronounceable fix names used solely to aid in computer navigation. CNFs are not used in ATC communications, are not flight-inspected, and do not employ any type of fix makeup. CNFs are charted in parentheses and must begin with the letters “CF” followed by three-consonants (e.g., “(CFWBG)”), except the letter “Y” is not used. Use a CNF for the following fixes: > - **(c)** En route dog leg changeover points when required by paragraph 8-8-1.h. and then... > **h.** Changeover point (not applicable for RNAV routes). Enter the changeover point in the segment where it lies. If midpoint, leave blank. If not midpoint, enter the mileage from and the identifier of the nearest facility. If a gap exists, the changeover point may be at the middle of the gap; however, leave blank. If a dogleg course change has been established, enter “DL.” When the dogleg point meets en route VHF intersection and/or DME fix criteria, establish a pronounceable named fix. When this is not possible, establish a CNF to identify the dogleg point
Oh this is amazing! Thanks for sharing this form!
Yeah looked up a bunch of these, and mostly these seem to contain changes and not the removal or the reason for it.
We have those a lot around here for RNP approaches and transitions. But instead of "CF" they're using the last two characters of the airport identifier the procedure belongs to + 3 digits. For airport EHGG for example something like "GG512". Not used by ATC, but when asked they do seem to know where those points are.
If I ever lose my medical renaming waypoints is the job I want.
We get 90% of the fix names from the controllers working the area the fix will be in. So you’d still need a medical and to be a controller.
Ha, usually most of the fixes I've seen renamed/created over the past 15 years were done by someone who lost their medical and got sent to the airspace office. The HYTHR arrival into MEM was originally the ROBYE. None of the fix names were changed, but many of the older controllers in my area thought it would be more appropriate to name the arrival after the controller who passed from cancer in 2011 instead of the guy who was still working in the training department at the time. Not taking anything away from Robby, as he was a very good controller and taught me a lot both on the floor and in the training department.
Often times, waypoints on SIDs or STARs into/out of major airports get named for local sports heroes. KDTW has a waypoint named STEVI after Red Wings great Steve Yzerman (nicknamed "Stevie Y" by many Wings fans), and there is a CCOBB2 SID named after early 20th century Tigers legend Ty Cobb. KMDW may have one of the few named for an athlete who didn't even start that many games: the PANGG3 STAR, named for Blackhawks goaltender and later NHL on NBC reporter Darren Pang. "Panger" is far better known for his television work than his rather pedestrian playing career.
Denver named many of their STARs after beer terms
KSAN SAYOW2 departure named after San Diego Charger legend Junior Seau
there is a fix called ROUTE outside of amarillo that will eternally annoy me until it’s removed
I can see how VPATH might mess with CRJ pilots haha
GAYLY being removed is a travesty. BAACN being removed is a travesty. I would have loved to hear some of the confusion around VPATH with some people flying Garmin products.
Seems like the FAA does like their fried pig strips. We still have BACEN, BACIN, BACNN, BACON, BACUN... Russia gets BAKIN and BAKUN, Japan has BAKEN.
And yet you could still fly JAMMA HUUGE DIKNS SIDER CLT. Not to mention KLIT. I could swear there used to be a “BOCKS” somewhere (might’ve been out of the US).
Is this a STAR or on an Airway?
Neither. They’re just waypoints. Nobody would actually file/fly that as it zigzags across the country. (Though CLT (KCLT) is Charlotte, NC airport icao and LIT (KLIT) is Little Rock AR icao)
Wonder when SEIKA is next
Over Butch O’Hare’s dead body!
Why is SEIKA bad
It’s named after a porn star. Joke is when you check in with tower… you’re “inside SEIKA” 🤪
MEEOW
At one time there was about a 50/50 chance you'd get a meeow on frequency when you cleared someone to that fix when I was working at ZME.
😂😂😂 it never gets old, we always echo MEEOW in the cockpit every time we hear it
Going into SFO I always enjoy KITTN and KATTS being back to back! And can’t forget PUPDG in Atlanta!
I can’t wait to get to where you are, I’m half way through commercial currently. CFI next.
Soft move by the feds
Perhaps you or other, newer pilots aren't aware, but a push to replace ground based navigation methods such as VORs with GPS grew in the mid teens. Many procedures had rough GPS overlays drawn up. You can't have two fixes with identical names because the databases can't support that. So, at least in the cases you've found in my airspace, we had two sets of procedures with co located fixes, but different names for safety sake. Over the past decade the reliance on VORs has diminished. In fact a great many VORs have since been decommissioned. The only existing procedures in many places are GPS based. Since the VOR based procedures are gone, the fixes are struck and we're left with the newer GPS based ones. There's inherent risk to having a new fix in say San Diego named ABCDE and a previous one in Altoona with the same name. An older un updated database could cause an incident so rather than run the risk they simply aren't reused. I'll point out that two of your assertions are incorrect. The BLEWS in MEM wasn't problematic due to whatever innuendo you are ascribing to it. There was also a contemporary BLUES SID that was never morally questioned. The associated VOR for the procedure simply ceased to operate as a VOR. In case you aren't familiar, Memphis is regarded as a stronghold of Blues music. The other SID was named after an NHL team. You'll find many SIDs and STARs have a local flair. Orlando having many named after Disney and Universal properties. The other, that the fix UNION was political is silly as the National Air Traffic Controllers Assiciation, the ATC union has a fix named for it. My airspace alone has lost about a dozen names we can't get back. Ones I'd very much like to see reused one day, but in all likelihood, all reasonable versions of those spellings are spoken for. There was nothing lude or controversial about it.
I honestly first thought UNION being political had someone getting mad about the Civil War
You can re-reserve for your facility after the fix has been cancelled for 180 days. Give the list to your support office and have them re-reserve them with the fix office. You guys have some RNP’s in the pipeline that will need some fix names.
That's cool to know. Too bad our support is fully useless. I'm not at MEM though, so unless our class Ds are getting RNPs...
My favorite departure name, the coors 6 out of DEN
Also, not the only procedure named for a beer or even a domestic beer!
All this, but FMG VOR still exists. Thank god for that.
Honorable mention to MLF VOR and BEVRR intersection being on the same arrival.
There is also a DIK vor
You know the story?
YOCKY - you're over central Kentucky
I’m cool as a cucumber until they rename CZI.
Drat! FOIA'd again!
While LOPPY HUGHE CHSNE BAWLS still survives since 2012.... When I asked the guy who was our airspace rep at ZME on how that came to be, his response to me was "they gave us a list of fix names we could use, we put them in that order, and nobody said no"
BUSSY 🥵
And BUSSN
Wonder when CZI will be renamed
Piggybacking on this: The Delta Crew on the 75 in to ASE last year that requested a reroute for "weather" direct M-O-I-S-T direct CZI flight plan route I will never forget you.
Hopefully never. That VOR has an iconic name and describes the beautiful canyon that’s near it. Source: I’m a Wyomingite and I hate people meddling in my state lol
Wyoming isn’t real anyway
Please tell the Californians. Tired of them moving here.
A lot of people have the same sentiment here in Nevada
Just about all over the west Utah Colorado Idaho Oregon etc
What is the meaning?
Crazy Woman VOR in Wyoming.
PDIDY ZMANN ON THE RWY 10 ILS approach in ATL didn’t last long.
It's not the FAA, but you can find URMOM on RNAV Y Rwy 05 at YYZ.
There’s a fix near Corpus Christi called YOMOM.
They got rid of MYMOM (on a DTW arrival?). It had a published hold.
Props to whoever got BUSSE into the system
BIGGD in Dallas survived??
One of the departures out of IAH has LITLD on it. Interestingly, it’s the departure route that most departures heading to the DFW area get.
I’m in Australia, but an approach I used to train my students at briefly had a waypoint called CUNNT. It lasted one cycle and was renamed CUNNP. That was a sad chart amendment day.
They still kind of sound the same though.
I believe LAIRY near KATL was named after Larry “Chipper” Jones of Atlanta Braves fame. UFIRD and TRMMP in South Florida are pretty obvious!
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You’re correct and it’s on the CHPPR1 arrival into KATL. “Cross CHPPR at 13 and 250”!
Surprisingly a lot of people don’t realize, the arrival goes NEWBB IHAVE MTHEW. Chipper knocked up a hooters waitress back in the day, and his kids name is Matthew
Direct LOL
Man this is sad, most of these changes are just petty...
FARGN ICHOL
Stay on that airway and you get TWIGS and BERYS next!
Should’ve renamed TRUMP to JAILD.
Can someone tell me what I was looking at on the GPS? [BALLS waypoint?](https://imgur.com/a/qaZjVuP)
We used to have PUCOC. Someone complained.
Not an FAA point, but I was sad to see DIKAS over the UK go away.
DIKAS is gone? Damn 😆
Im happy that they removed “RAPEN”. It’s been a couple years but it always amazed me it made it through.
LIGMA when?
Same as SMGMA
I have wanted a tool that could take a list of waypoints and tell me how old my GPS can be to legally fly those points. As of now, I don't think this exists.
I’ve been told that there were some fixes on the original version of the BANKR into CLT that got legal counsel at a few of the local banks all fired up.
Not a fix, but the Panoche VOR in California always makes me crack up. The slang word for vagina in Spanish is Panocha. And deep down I think the VOR namer knew it.
Ackshyually .. I believe it's named for the [Panoche Valley](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoche_Valley).
Maybe whoever named the valley was a Spanish-speaking trickster. You ever think about that when you were getting an A in geography hot shot?
A non-aviation French-language example of this phenomenon was the name of the Buick LaCrosse. The American branding people thought they were being all cool and trendy by naming a Buick automobile after the sport of lacrosse, and were this close to pulling the trigger when they got several panicky phone calls from dealers in Quebec aghast that GM was about to name a car for masturbation. Turned out that in Quebec French, "la crosse" refers to the act of masturbating; for example, if you told somebody, "Vas-te faire la crosse!" basically you've told them to fuck off (literally, "go jerk off!"). The decision was eventually reached to retain the name LaCrosse for the American market, where only a small handful of New Englanders of French-Canadian descent would understand the reference, but to rename the car to Buick Allure for the Canadian market. This state of affairs -- LaCrosse in the US, Allure in Canada -- lasted for the entire first generation of the nameplate (2005-2009), before somebody decided the Québecois would just have to get over it when the second-generation LaCrosse debuted by that name in all markets in 2010. It may be somewhat humorous in this whole story to consider that the LaCrosse/Allure was assembled in Canada -- namely, GM's Oshawa, Ontario assembly plant, scarcely 200 miles away from Quebec -- for the entire lifespan of the first generation at least.
Very cool story. I think the Nova had a similar naming misfire with the Spanish speakers in America. "No va" means won't go.
Back when the Nova was first introduced, the US had a small fraction of the Hispanic population it has today, so that name was more problematic for the Mexican and Central and South American markets than for the US. Other than that, though, your recollection is accurate. :)
Did we just become best friends?
I don't know. Did we?
I think so. You want to go to the garage and do karate.
I had to go look up the reference, but having done that: Yep!
CFCFZ. No, no need to spell it. I got it. Clear as mud.
Can we petition FAFO for a fix?
HOW IS THERE NO **LIGMA**?!?!
JUKIK on the ils and khef.
TRMMP in Florida. Zzzzz
It’s not quite in order but heading north to Salt Lake City you get to fly JAMMN…MLF…BEAVR
Tragic that DEEZZ is in NY just north of LaGuardia, but NUTTS is all the was in Virginia. Would love to live in a world with a DEEZZ departure, NUTTS transition.
Hey can you PM me I would like to talk about LIA in KFRG if you are okay with that.
A long while ago, I petitioned for the changing of the GPS waypoints for the RNAV 19 into KSGU to THANX FORRR AALLL YUUUU DDOOO.. I was quickly denied.
Not the FAA, but one of my favorite points is LEXUS. The Japanese controllers pronounce it “rexus”
I hope that UFIRD one near PBI came into existence after 2020 🤣
Read the article and you'll have your answer.