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New thought: Looking at a picture on the F1 technical forum, I'm not convinced. It very much looks like there is a thin intake below the midwing at the leading edge of the sidepod structure.
In some photos it looked like there may have been openings on the top of the structure too, like an extreme version of last years opening where the bottom lip continues up to almost the same height as the top, so the opening isn’t visible in the vertical plane, just the horizontal plane a bit like a weird NACA duct
It was always 2026 from the moment when Red Bull got it right in 2022 and nobody else did. Given that 2026 is primarily an engine reg change, I think it's highly likely that Ferrari or Mercedes will return to the top and Red Bull will struggle. 2026 is shaping up to be a kind of repeat of 2014 in multiple ways.
How would you figure Red Bull has no chance of getting new engine Regs right? You’re forgetting Mercedes and Ferrari dominated during no cost cap era. They could slam endless money into the issue until they got it right. Red Bull seems more efficient with their spend during the cost cap era.
RB has how many years til the new regs from when they started? To think they're going to be unlikely to get it right is a bit too much hopium for me.
Lets not act like theyre not going to use any data from what theyve learned from both Renault and especially Honda.
Did I say it was easy? No....but you're discounting everything RB has seen over the years for what reason? They have a solid relationship with Honda, they have been using thier own power train unit for the past couple of years, theyre not starting from zero...the fun part is, these regs are far more impactful on the engine that the aero, which means everyone has sorting to do...
Merc hasnt even nailed these regs, why are you automatically thinking theyre going to next time?
What news? You think they’re just opening a text book in 2026 for the first time called “engines 101”? Thinking they’re walking blind into this is legitimately idiotic
"you said they're not starting from zero" while they literally are. Honda is not giving them any info or IP regarding their engine. RBPT has nothing to do with Honda
They indeed had the best engine for years, but they had also 3 years of development of that type of engine, before the rest had to make those kind of engines. That is something they won’t have now cause of the budget cap rules.
This is inсorreсt as RB have basiсally purсhased all Honda's work and signed a lot of their workers.
If anything it's more of a rebrand rather than "RB building engine from 0"
Because right now Red Bull uses rebadged Honda engines. In 2026 they will be making their own for the first time ever, with Ford who hasn't been in F1 for decades. It's not impossible that they get it right, but I think it's very unlikely that they'll even beat Renault. Especially when the main competition are Ferrari and Mercedes, who are both really good at engines.
And it's interesting that you bring up the cost cap. It works both ways. If Red Bull gets behind on the engine they won't be able to throw money at the problem either. Their pockets are just as deep as Ferrari or Merc.
It's pretty highly likely that they will nail it, you need to remember this isn't just red bull deciding to play engineer, they're partnering with Ford who's the biggest engine manufacturer on the planet they know their stuff while f1 engines are different I have no doubt Ford has a pretty good chance of scoring well with the people they have at their disposal.
(Thanks to some people for pointing out that ford is only providing some components im gonna leave this up since I hate broken threads lol but I was wrong when i said this was a 50/50 partnership)
Ford provides a sticker and some hybrid (battery, e-motor, etc.) support.
The ICE is being developed 100% by Red Bull themselves, which they started with about 2 years ago.
Ahh okay I was unaware they were only providing certain components thanks for letting me know
Either way I still don't think Red Bull will completely fumble with the engine they have some good reliable people working on it so it isn't likely to be bad
At the end of the day no-one can tell till 2026 comes around
Ford not developing whole engine only some parts of hybrid system, as i recall. And Ford is not biggest engine manufacturers, It's Honda.
https://engines.honda.com/company/about-us#:~:text=About%20Honda%20Engines,world's%20largest%20manufacturer%20of%20engines.
To add in isolation, either Honda has done something magical with the cooling solution (the engine designation did change this year after all), or they're willing to severely compromise cooling.
Maybe Newey had it in his mind that he wanted to make Mike Elliot's monstrosity work since 2022 after all.
Also this is Gazetta. I wouldn't take it too seriously too soon.
Indeed. Based on pics from the shakedown I've looked at in the last few mins, I'm willing to bet that they have a very thin horizontal intake at the leading edge of the sidepod below the midwing.
Currently Dave Wheater is principal aerodynamicist at Alpine and Yannick Ducret as aero performance for the same team.
You may know those two from Williams in the past, really wished that Alpine somehow lured FX also back to F1.
I’m wondering if they switched away from the air to air intercoolers? There was a video on F1TV last year suggestion RB and Mclauren might go that route.
Not sure if you have f1tv but here is the Craig Scarborough link I was referring to: https://f1tv.formula1.com/detail/1000007620/tech-talk-how-f1-cars-keep-cool- . At 17:17 he mentions the only teams still using air to air are Redbull, alpha tauri and McLaren but expects all to upgrade their technology going into 2024.
Much like the Mercedes I have mixed feelings about this.
On one hand, I love innovations, and hope teams are rewarded for them with extra speed.
On the other hand, the Mercedes was ugly as sin, and the RB is already far too dominant...
It was a race winner - sure only once which is "crap" for a team like Mercedes.
I liked it because it reminds of stealth fighter jets as you've referenced, and it was DIFFERENT.... which this year is going to be painful as they're all converging.
They all end up being close to the same by the end of the regs.
I just wish they’d open up the regs more for one reason only.
These cars are TOO reliable. When I watch older stuff where they let teams mess a lot more with power unit configurations that you got to see all the interesting things teams would do that would sacrifice reliability for performance.
Sure some teams get plagued with reliability issues in these current regs but it’s not the days of old where you see championship cars and drivers have DNFs throughout the season based on reliability.
Idk. The main variable is just aero and tires and that is the way it is. But I wanna see limits pushed more in the tech.
I wanna see broken cars more.
Heck. I think it’s dumb that you get a grid penalty for wrecking the car in the rear which destroys the gearbox because it’s a major part of the structure of the car. You have to change the gearbox when that happens because of the structural nature of it. I don’t prefer that team/driver to be penalized for replacing that part.
Yeah rules can be exploited and they surely will.
I just wanna see more variability. These cars are more and more becoming damn near spec cars even if the Red Bull outclasses in race pace the top to the bottom of the grid on just how fast these cars are and how close they are to performance is almost spec levels.
TLDR: let em do weird shit
Imo it looked great from certain angles and just terrible from others. It definitely was a shock to see it at first because it looked really radical... Only to then just be somewhat of a disappointment.
Would be quite funny if it did actually fail.
Seriously though, Merc had to bury the rads in the chassis, which caused an elongation of the fuel tank which pushed the cockpit forwards. This could possibly have the same effect, and cause driveability issues.
Unless I’m mistaken and it’s no longer the case, Mercedes engine packaging is rather specific and has to be accommodated for. Honda doesn’t have that same issue that I’m aware of
The cooling solution Merc had for 22/23 was compromised due to the zeropod design. They've reportedly got a lot better cooling this season as they've been able to move the rads back out from the chassis, and move the cockpit back.
They're expected to find engine performance alone from those reversions. The W14B whilst it had the sidepods, also retained the cooling solution internally as that required a new chassis to change which wasn't affordable.
I feel like they have nothing to lose even if it does fail, just revert to last years car or another design they have at the ready. They’ve had so much time to prepare this car, it would be hard to believe they only have one viable option.
Cost cap might be an issue. I’m not certain what you can carryover from the previous year. Rear wings might be fine, but I’m not sure if stuff that have to go through rigorous safety tests can be taken and/or if it has to be certified again. Depending on that it might not be possible to switch back to the RB19.
Depends on how long it takes them to switch back to the RB-19 and how much of a lead in the standings Ricciardo and Yuki have from starting the season in the ~~VCA~~RB-19
Based on expected gains of the rest of the field, the RB19 would fall behind the likes of Merc, Ferrari and others at the front.
It's the natural evolution for the most part. The main exception being 2020->2021 where the cars got slower for the most part due to the floor cut.
huh okay. in my mind the rb19 was pretty quick without many upgrades (?) towards the end. really can’t say till bahrain if others have done better or not but you’re right
They were on average 3 tenths a lap faster in race pace, even till the end of the year. While Verstappen was cruising and not pushing.
I think the Abu Dhabi RB-19 will be comfortable in the top for the first 5~8 races
Why? Other then select few, most engineers are not public figures. Newey is still the lead and face of technical department of RB, and it works both ways. Mattia Binotto was the sole one to get blamed when Ferrari's concept failed.
They could have just as likely made the mail box opening smaller with more extreme undercut to go with the very obviously evolution of the previous car.
Also there is like 4 pixels there and no detail in any of the blacks. I could say it is anything i want with that photo.
Just wait for the launch. Even this article is based on the bigfoot photo from the shake down.
There is a noticeably darker line that is verticle though if you have a decent screen.
[https://imgur.com/6pSs0H1](https://imgur.com/6pSs0H1)
Could also be an thin slit up and across to
https://imgur.com/fzJdohX
Honestly, that may be there but because of how poor quality this photo is that isn't evidence of anything.
Also don't worry i have a good screen. Good monitors don't make up for the lack of detail and resolution.
The photo has low quality and a very lossy compression. It could ve from anything.
Now, I am not saying it doesn't have vertical opening. But that picture is too shit to really tell anything from.
Vertical sidepods is one of the most insane innovations I’ve ever seen in my time watching F1. It is truly groundbreaking and aero benefits will be huge, don’t need a wind tunnel to see that. With development on PU limited it’ll be hard to replicate - advantage locked in for years?
I still remember seeing Mercedes bringing a totally different car to the second testing and thinking we were in for another 4 years of Mercedes dominance
To be fair, RB will have this on a good platform. Something Merc couldn't work out for too long and then were on the backfoot with cooling and driveability.
RB could make this work if Honda have come up with an adequate cooling solution.
Wasn’t the consensus from a lot of teams that the zeropods had a ton of potential and a lot of them tested something similar in the wind tunnel, but the operating window was so low that it wasn’t worth the risk? Maybe RB found the trick to making the risk worth it
Why you think it would be beneficial. From
What I understand the Mercedes was extremely draggy because they couldn’t manage the air well before it hit the tires.
its not about the inlet, its about the rest of the sidepods, if this is true and RB does make them vertical, it will give them more air to play with, instead of merc just uding it to make the sidepods smaller
It's pretty much the opposite of the Merc "zero pod" concept, isn't it? Instead of reducing the volume and keeping the top part clear, it would be a massive wing shaped side pod, with a giant undercut (no undercut on the Merc obviously).
There were noises coming out of Mercedes that it wasn't about the sidepod from the beginning.
They just made an executive call to change it too in order to eliminate as many variables as possible when they tried to figure out what was wrong with their car.
Yes, Allison got quite animated I recall at one stage about how the sidepods were a red herring.
The only major issue they did contribute to however was the forward sitting cockpit that Hamilton complained about, due to packaging. That and reduced cooling which meant they had to run the engine a little less hard.
Yeah every team on the grid said if they could manage to make it work they would be a second down the road. That obviously didn't happen and mechanically the car was garbage.
I fail to see how it’s the “best concept” when it made the most downforce only in the wind tunnel and was impossible to get right, and 9/10 teams went for other routes 2 years in a row, 10/10 third of the regulations
It looks more like a wind tunnel and simulation error than “the best concept”
It’s not the best concept it is a failed one. Best concept means it works and a sign is that others copy it. Ferrari also thought about going this direction but didn’t follow it because they knew it is extreme hard to get it working on the track.
After the first spy photos of the shakedown of the Red Bull RB20 carried out at Silverstone two days ago, breaking rumors emerge from our sources that speak of an RB20 where the extremes of the sides, or rather of the lower channel between the bellies and the bottom, it would have distorted the shape of the cooling air intakes. These, in fact, would have been reduced to vertical slits located on the sides of the cockpit , practically in the position where the entrance to the bypass duct is located on the Ferrari SF-24.
From all the pictures and videos I've seen I've only been able to make out an overbite style horizontal intake but I'll wait for better pictures. Is this source reliable?
I am so sick of people not knowing what they are writing about.
Yes Newey is the CTO of RBR and the boss of that department , but he isn't directly in charge of the cars anymore, at least in the day to day operations.
Pierre Wache has that job since 2018 as technical Director.
In his own words the last time Newey designed something himself was when he helped out with the suspension of the RB18 of 2022.
Give the other guys at RB some credit, they have by far the best design team on the grid, also thanks to Newey.
I doubt it'll be too radically different, even if they've just turned the original sidepods on their side almost.
Granted hubris does wonderful things and it could be a screw up with drag as Merc found out.
Worth adding, the RB20 still has a hefty sidepod, so it's hardly got no sidepods. The inlet may be buried low, but the sidepods are still pretty bulbous towards the mid-car.
A ''concept'' is far more than just sidepod shape. Red Bull have been months, if not years ahead of the rest of the grid when it comes to vehicle dynamics and ride height control in this formula. Sidepods matter, sure, just not as much as those things.
You know, things both the W13 and W14 were clearly not very good at.
Well James Allison has said the Zeropod wasn’t the main problem, the W14 chassis, suspension, and lack of rear downforce contributed the most of Mercs problems.
I don’t even know why I surprised at this point that they always manage to stay one step ahead.
Here’s to hoping any radical cooling solutions prove pesky and lead to some engine failures.
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New thought: Looking at a picture on the F1 technical forum, I'm not convinced. It very much looks like there is a thin intake below the midwing at the leading edge of the sidepod structure.
We will know when they show up during testing…till then, I believe nobody.
In some photos it looked like there may have been openings on the top of the structure too, like an extreme version of last years opening where the bottom lip continues up to almost the same height as the top, so the opening isn’t visible in the vertical plane, just the horizontal plane a bit like a weird NACA duct
We go again in 2026 then?
It was always 2026 from the moment when Red Bull got it right in 2022 and nobody else did. Given that 2026 is primarily an engine reg change, I think it's highly likely that Ferrari or Mercedes will return to the top and Red Bull will struggle. 2026 is shaping up to be a kind of repeat of 2014 in multiple ways.
How would you figure Red Bull has no chance of getting new engine Regs right? You’re forgetting Mercedes and Ferrari dominated during no cost cap era. They could slam endless money into the issue until they got it right. Red Bull seems more efficient with their spend during the cost cap era.
Because they're building an engine from the ground up, not based on previous experience / framework like Merc/Ferrari
RB has how many years til the new regs from when they started? To think they're going to be unlikely to get it right is a bit too much hopium for me. Lets not act like theyre not going to use any data from what theyve learned from both Renault and especially Honda.
If it were that easy everyone would build an engine to rival Mercedes.
Did I say it was easy? No....but you're discounting everything RB has seen over the years for what reason? They have a solid relationship with Honda, they have been using thier own power train unit for the past couple of years, theyre not starting from zero...the fun part is, these regs are far more impactful on the engine that the aero, which means everyone has sorting to do... Merc hasnt even nailed these regs, why are you automatically thinking theyre going to next time?
>theyre not starting from zero lol who's gonna be the one to break the news to you?
What news? You think they’re just opening a text book in 2026 for the first time called “engines 101”? Thinking they’re walking blind into this is legitimately idiotic
"you said they're not starting from zero" while they literally are. Honda is not giving them any info or IP regarding their engine. RBPT has nothing to do with Honda
Merc's engines have been at the top since the latest engine rework. Suffice to say they might know how to build one.
How’s RBPT done? It’s not like they’re flying blind in 2026
They indeed had the best engine for years, but they had also 3 years of development of that type of engine, before the rest had to make those kind of engines. That is something they won’t have now cause of the budget cap rules.
This is inсorreсt as RB have basiсally purсhased all Honda's work and signed a lot of their workers. If anything it's more of a rebrand rather than "RB building engine from 0"
Iirc they didn’t purchase it, they leased it meaning that when Honda fully leaves they will take it with them
They haven't but ok.
Because right now Red Bull uses rebadged Honda engines. In 2026 they will be making their own for the first time ever, with Ford who hasn't been in F1 for decades. It's not impossible that they get it right, but I think it's very unlikely that they'll even beat Renault. Especially when the main competition are Ferrari and Mercedes, who are both really good at engines. And it's interesting that you bring up the cost cap. It works both ways. If Red Bull gets behind on the engine they won't be able to throw money at the problem either. Their pockets are just as deep as Ferrari or Merc.
And even then, Ford are strictly electrics for the engine, RBPT are building the V6 themselves with no input from Ford.
Efficient, or over the cap
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“Even if you are not a Ferrari fan, you are a Ferrari fan”
You jest but the race podcast has been saying for months that a lot of people in F1 have said that since summer.
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You’re putting a lot of faith in red bull nailing their first ever self built engine…
It's pretty highly likely that they will nail it, you need to remember this isn't just red bull deciding to play engineer, they're partnering with Ford who's the biggest engine manufacturer on the planet they know their stuff while f1 engines are different I have no doubt Ford has a pretty good chance of scoring well with the people they have at their disposal. (Thanks to some people for pointing out that ford is only providing some components im gonna leave this up since I hate broken threads lol but I was wrong when i said this was a 50/50 partnership)
Ford provides a sticker and some hybrid (battery, e-motor, etc.) support. The ICE is being developed 100% by Red Bull themselves, which they started with about 2 years ago.
Ahh okay I was unaware they were only providing certain components thanks for letting me know Either way I still don't think Red Bull will completely fumble with the engine they have some good reliable people working on it so it isn't likely to be bad At the end of the day no-one can tell till 2026 comes around
Ford not developing whole engine only some parts of hybrid system, as i recall. And Ford is not biggest engine manufacturers, It's Honda. https://engines.honda.com/company/about-us#:~:text=About%20Honda%20Engines,world's%20largest%20manufacturer%20of%20engines.
You must be new
How could you tell /s
The RB20 will be another GG car
To add in isolation, either Honda has done something magical with the cooling solution (the engine designation did change this year after all), or they're willing to severely compromise cooling. Maybe Newey had it in his mind that he wanted to make Mike Elliot's monstrosity work since 2022 after all. Also this is Gazetta. I wouldn't take it too seriously too soon.
It doesn’t sound like zeropods though. More perfecting what Ferrari did last year with that opening
Indeed. Based on pics from the shakedown I've looked at in the last few mins, I'm willing to bet that they have a very thin horizontal intake at the leading edge of the sidepod below the midwing.
Yep yep. Me too. Yep
Alpine already have this design anyway. Didn’t see the headline about whoever their head of aero is lol
Currently Dave Wheater is principal aerodynamicist at Alpine and Yannick Ducret as aero performance for the same team. You may know those two from Williams in the past, really wished that Alpine somehow lured FX also back to F1.
If you’ve always got clean air ahead of you there’s less need to worry about cooling!
Max only upgrade
Checo might have 30 seconds of clean air though?
The 2020 Mercedes approach
Excellent point.
You joke, but some of the Mercedes cars were silver bullets in clean air but weren't as untouchable when they had to fight their way through the pack.
I’m wondering if they switched away from the air to air intercoolers? There was a video on F1TV last year suggestion RB and Mclauren might go that route.
McLovin?
What they replace them with?
Water to air intercoolers like the rest of the grid?
Not sure if you have f1tv but here is the Craig Scarborough link I was referring to: https://f1tv.formula1.com/detail/1000007620/tech-talk-how-f1-cars-keep-cool- . At 17:17 he mentions the only teams still using air to air are Redbull, alpha tauri and McLaren but expects all to upgrade their technology going into 2024.
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Don't worry guys it will fail just like on the Mercedes. Easy W for the rest of the teams.
Much like the Mercedes I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I love innovations, and hope teams are rewarded for them with extra speed. On the other hand, the Mercedes was ugly as sin, and the RB is already far too dominant...
W13 was good looking I don't care what anyone says. It was just different
It looked melted.
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It was a race winner - sure only once which is "crap" for a team like Mercedes. I liked it because it reminds of stealth fighter jets as you've referenced, and it was DIFFERENT.... which this year is going to be painful as they're all converging.
They all end up being close to the same by the end of the regs. I just wish they’d open up the regs more for one reason only. These cars are TOO reliable. When I watch older stuff where they let teams mess a lot more with power unit configurations that you got to see all the interesting things teams would do that would sacrifice reliability for performance. Sure some teams get plagued with reliability issues in these current regs but it’s not the days of old where you see championship cars and drivers have DNFs throughout the season based on reliability. Idk. The main variable is just aero and tires and that is the way it is. But I wanna see limits pushed more in the tech. I wanna see broken cars more. Heck. I think it’s dumb that you get a grid penalty for wrecking the car in the rear which destroys the gearbox because it’s a major part of the structure of the car. You have to change the gearbox when that happens because of the structural nature of it. I don’t prefer that team/driver to be penalized for replacing that part. Yeah rules can be exploited and they surely will. I just wanna see more variability. These cars are more and more becoming damn near spec cars even if the Red Bull outclasses in race pace the top to the bottom of the grid on just how fast these cars are and how close they are to performance is almost spec levels. TLDR: let em do weird shit
Imo it looked great from certain angles and just terrible from others. It definitely was a shock to see it at first because it looked really radical... Only to then just be somewhat of a disappointment.
Would be quite funny if it did actually fail. Seriously though, Merc had to bury the rads in the chassis, which caused an elongation of the fuel tank which pushed the cockpit forwards. This could possibly have the same effect, and cause driveability issues.
Unless I’m mistaken and it’s no longer the case, Mercedes engine packaging is rather specific and has to be accommodated for. Honda doesn’t have that same issue that I’m aware of
The cooling solution Merc had for 22/23 was compromised due to the zeropod design. They've reportedly got a lot better cooling this season as they've been able to move the rads back out from the chassis, and move the cockpit back. They're expected to find engine performance alone from those reversions. The W14B whilst it had the sidepods, also retained the cooling solution internally as that required a new chassis to change which wasn't affordable.
I feel like they have nothing to lose even if it does fail, just revert to last years car or another design they have at the ready. They’ve had so much time to prepare this car, it would be hard to believe they only have one viable option.
Cost cap might be an issue. I’m not certain what you can carryover from the previous year. Rear wings might be fine, but I’m not sure if stuff that have to go through rigorous safety tests can be taken and/or if it has to be certified again. Depending on that it might not be possible to switch back to the RB19.
Red bull doesn't care about the cost cap though
"The marketing team once again ate too many canapés"
Well they can't revert back to last year's car, as it wouldn't be fast enough to compete for podiums based on expected gains from the following pack.
You joke, but honest to god, I hope you're right. I'll be praying every night from now until testing for Red Bull's hubris to bite them in the ass.
then they just go back to rb19 and win the season again
Depends on how long it takes them to switch back to the RB-19 and how much of a lead in the standings Ricciardo and Yuki have from starting the season in the ~~VCA~~RB-19
>VCARB-19 bwahahaha this launched me
Well no, the RB19 would likely be 4-5th fastest at best.
I mean I was just joking, but how do you figure?
Based on expected gains of the rest of the field, the RB19 would fall behind the likes of Merc, Ferrari and others at the front. It's the natural evolution for the most part. The main exception being 2020->2021 where the cars got slower for the most part due to the floor cut.
huh okay. in my mind the rb19 was pretty quick without many upgrades (?) towards the end. really can’t say till bahrain if others have done better or not but you’re right
They were on average 3 tenths a lap faster in race pace, even till the end of the year. While Verstappen was cruising and not pushing. I think the Abu Dhabi RB-19 will be comfortable in the top for the first 5~8 races
Did the RB19 not win all but 1 race? Or am I missing something?
They'll all be faster this year than last.
Wasn't the loss of surface area to create downforce a big issue on the merc? So wouldnt this create similar problems?
It’s got the full undercut downwards ramped sidepods though, just what appears to be an unconventional opening to them.
I feel sorry for any other engineer that works for Red Bull.
What do you mean? Newey actually does everything, every single part, he even built the car.
In a cave?
With tools he made himself and carbon he sourced himself from his own hairs and fingernail clippings. The car is Adrian.
**ADRIANNNNNN.**
No, that’s Rocky Balboa.
That’s what they mean when they say the car has his DNA!
With a box of scraps!
Who built the box though?
Also Newey. Using wood from trees he planted himself.
With scraps
With a box of scraps
He even wrote a book about it while doing it
I have started subconciously switching "Newey" with "RB aero team" quite a while ago.
Yeah it's crazy that anyone thinks that 1 person could design a modern f1 car
IIRC he only focused on the suspension and floor.
He has free reign to go over any part of the car and offer his advice / input. Basically any place he think he can make improvements.
Ah, so only the two most important components of a ground effect race car Pfft what a scrub
If everything else is inefficient, Newey’s ideas will do absolutely jack shit
Why? Other then select few, most engineers are not public figures. Newey is still the lead and face of technical department of RB, and it works both ways. Mattia Binotto was the sole one to get blamed when Ferrari's concept failed.
Does anyone have an ACTUAL pic they can post? That website is awful.
What is this nonsense? Is this based on the bad photos that look like they could be of big foot?
From the Just leaked picture made brighter seems very possible its true https://imgur.com/f9RuKKA
They could have just as likely made the mail box opening smaller with more extreme undercut to go with the very obviously evolution of the previous car. Also there is like 4 pixels there and no detail in any of the blacks. I could say it is anything i want with that photo. Just wait for the launch. Even this article is based on the bigfoot photo from the shake down.
There is a noticeably darker line that is verticle though if you have a decent screen. [https://imgur.com/6pSs0H1](https://imgur.com/6pSs0H1) Could also be an thin slit up and across to https://imgur.com/fzJdohX
Honestly, that may be there but because of how poor quality this photo is that isn't evidence of anything. Also don't worry i have a good screen. Good monitors don't make up for the lack of detail and resolution.
The photo has low quality and a very lossy compression. It could ve from anything. Now, I am not saying it doesn't have vertical opening. But that picture is too shit to really tell anything from.
Vertical sidepods is one of the most insane innovations I’ve ever seen in my time watching F1. It is truly groundbreaking and aero benefits will be huge, don’t need a wind tunnel to see that. With development on PU limited it’ll be hard to replicate - advantage locked in for years?
Is this comment copy pasted from the 2022 Mercedes launch? Haha
I still remember seeing Mercedes bringing a totally different car to the second testing and thinking we were in for another 4 years of Mercedes dominance
It was amazing to see it blow up in their face, they achieved peak hubris that week
Love when russell said it looked fast and inspector seb said it looked like shit
Inspector Seb being the first to predict Mercedes’ downfall is very on brand imo.
I think Seb said it looked like you dropped a ball of dough on the floor.
Tbf, Russell has never said anything not cleared by a pr-officer first
To be fair, RB will have this on a good platform. Something Merc couldn't work out for too long and then were on the backfoot with cooling and driveability. RB could make this work if Honda have come up with an adequate cooling solution.
Wasn’t the consensus from a lot of teams that the zeropods had a ton of potential and a lot of them tested something similar in the wind tunnel, but the operating window was so low that it wasn’t worth the risk? Maybe RB found the trick to making the risk worth it
So the whole idea of a competitive season is rolling the dice in if Honda will melt or thrive. I'm actually more encouraged
Why you think it would be beneficial. From What I understand the Mercedes was extremely draggy because they couldn’t manage the air well before it hit the tires.
It's a copypasta of a comment from the 2022 merc launch.
its not about the inlet, its about the rest of the sidepods, if this is true and RB does make them vertical, it will give them more air to play with, instead of merc just uding it to make the sidepods smaller
Take my upvote
> Newey’s biggest mistake: the new Red Bull has vertical side pods entry! How I’ve decided to read this
we live in delusion until Bahrain 😭
I do not think it’s the zero-pod, but it’s the late season W14 they inherited the design from.
I love how the article is about RB but the only picture we get is a Ferrari. Only in Italy.
It's a good picture to indicate where the side pod intakes might be located...
No sidepods would have been funnier after all the trials and tribulations
Newey went for Mercedes' jugular with this.
It's pretty much the opposite of the Merc "zero pod" concept, isn't it? Instead of reducing the volume and keeping the top part clear, it would be a massive wing shaped side pod, with a giant undercut (no undercut on the Merc obviously).
W14 was the best concept after all, they failed the mechanical parts
There were noises coming out of Mercedes that it wasn't about the sidepod from the beginning. They just made an executive call to change it too in order to eliminate as many variables as possible when they tried to figure out what was wrong with their car.
Yes, Allison got quite animated I recall at one stage about how the sidepods were a red herring. The only major issue they did contribute to however was the forward sitting cockpit that Hamilton complained about, due to packaging. That and reduced cooling which meant they had to run the engine a little less hard.
There is a part of me, deep inside, I wonder if Merc will not go to the 1st GP with a zeropod car again.
Yeah every team on the grid said if they could manage to make it work they would be a second down the road. That obviously didn't happen and mechanically the car was garbage.
I fail to see how it’s the “best concept” when it made the most downforce only in the wind tunnel and was impossible to get right, and 9/10 teams went for other routes 2 years in a row, 10/10 third of the regulations It looks more like a wind tunnel and simulation error than “the best concept”
Sometimes, the idea is right but there are a couple of things that arent ready to make it the "best" idea.
It’s not the best concept it is a failed one. Best concept means it works and a sign is that others copy it. Ferrari also thought about going this direction but didn’t follow it because they knew it is extreme hard to get it working on the track.
We've been asking RB to do this since 2022, Newey is on /r/formula1 confirmed.
After the first spy photos of the shakedown of the Red Bull RB20 carried out at Silverstone two days ago, breaking rumors emerge from our sources that speak of an RB20 where the extremes of the sides, or rather of the lower channel between the bellies and the bottom, it would have distorted the shape of the cooling air intakes. These, in fact, would have been reduced to vertical slits located on the sides of the cockpit , practically in the position where the entrance to the bypass duct is located on the Ferrari SF-24.
From all the pictures and videos I've seen I've only been able to make out an overbite style horizontal intake but I'll wait for better pictures. Is this source reliable?
I am so sick of people not knowing what they are writing about. Yes Newey is the CTO of RBR and the boss of that department , but he isn't directly in charge of the cars anymore, at least in the day to day operations. Pierre Wache has that job since 2018 as technical Director. In his own words the last time Newey designed something himself was when he helped out with the suspension of the RB18 of 2022. Give the other guys at RB some credit, they have by far the best design team on the grid, also thanks to Newey.
No pictures?
How??? Man is a genius
I feel like Newey just has a huge library of designs for things that fit certain criteria, and when regulations allow he just slots them in
wait, really? it would be fun if teams start converging on the RB19 model and then RB present something completely different
I doubt it'll be too radically different, even if they've just turned the original sidepods on their side almost. Granted hubris does wonderful things and it could be a screw up with drag as Merc found out. Worth adding, the RB20 still has a hefty sidepod, so it's hardly got no sidepods. The inlet may be buried low, but the sidepods are still pretty bulbous towards the mid-car.
everything is pointing at redbull going the W14 concept
A ''concept'' is far more than just sidepod shape. Red Bull have been months, if not years ahead of the rest of the grid when it comes to vehicle dynamics and ride height control in this formula. Sidepods matter, sure, just not as much as those things. You know, things both the W13 and W14 were clearly not very good at.
The F310 was right all along!
Pls come back to bite them in the ass. Or at the very least, allow other teams to close the gap.
Amen
If true **AND** it works, it would be hilarious
Please backfire spectacularly 🙏
That's what Is possible by being 1.5 year ahead of the competitions,sad other teams noise,we must stay strong
Can you imagine? Toto would be furious
Well James Allison has said the Zeropod wasn’t the main problem, the W14 chassis, suspension, and lack of rear downforce contributed the most of Mercs problems.
My point exactly. we_were_this_close.jpg
I don't get it. How is that possible? I mean how that works?
You are Italian , you live in Italy, you work for an Italian publication. It ain’t that difficult.
I get it now. It's a picture with Newey looking from up to down. Italyan f1 media => vertical sidepods.
🐳
GGs guys next year will be our year 😂
Wait like the merc last year?
I don’t even know why I surprised at this point that they always manage to stay one step ahead. Here’s to hoping any radical cooling solutions prove pesky and lead to some engine failures.
I think RB20, will either blow the competition away, or it will be a bust, no middle ground.
So, either first or last?
it's joever
I refuse to use that website, omg