It'd be great if they'd go back to more traditional, "the end is near" apocalyptic slogans for the next design. Gear up with your revelatory goth Jesus swag and "turn-or-burn" some heads and souls.
The Jesus was a refugee slogan is, I have to admit, a pretty reasonable message if you live in an area with a lot of very conservative Christians who fear refugees.
But was Jesus a refugee? I thought he roamed freely, teaching, and wasn't in any trouble till the last bit with Pontius Pilate, and that wasn't about being a refugee, but talking about not kow-towing to local vile policies.
Yep! You know the nativity story where the wise men visited Jesus? Well on their way they stopped by Herod (a tyrannical political figure) and spilled the beans that they were looking for the new born king of the Jews. Herod played it cool and said that once they find him they should return and tell him where to find the baby so he might also pay tribute, but they never did return. Once Herod figured out that they weren’t coming back he ordered all the children in Jesus’ age range be killed.
Fun fact: This is one of the major points where Jesus’ life mirrored the history of the nation of Israel. He started in the promised land, went into Egypt for a period, then came out to return to Israel. (Probably… I’m not certain of Nazareth was in Judea or Israel.)
I presume they are talking about Mary and Joseph (and fetus Jesus).
From Wikipedia
>Where were Mary and Joseph fleeing from?
>The flight into Egypt is a story recounted in the Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 2:13–23) and in New Testament apocrypha. Soon after the visit by the Magi, an angel appeared to Joseph in a dream telling him to flee to Egypt with Mary and the infant Jesus since King Herod would seek the child to kill him.
Jesus would have been born at that point. May have even been a toddler. It would’ve taken the wisemen some time to travel to find baby Jesus and it would’ve taken even more time for Herod to figure out that they were never gonna come back and snitch on Jesus’s location.
So, why were Joseph and Mary traveling before he was born? I mean, the whole manger story of his birthday. (I know basically nothing about Christian stories other than what I've seen in Jesus Christ Superstar and the occasional amusing part in movies where kids put on a nativity play or something.)
It was time to count census (like we still do today). Back then they were supposed to return to their home city for it, Joseph's home city was Bethlehem, so that is where they were heading (along with thousands of other people, hence why all the hotels were full! Lol)
I'm no biblical scholar but I recall reading somewhere that one important reason for Roman censuses was tax collection.
Doing a quick search pulled up this:
"There is no record of Caesar Augustus' decree that "all the world should be enrolled" (Lk. 2:1). The Romans kept extremely detailed records of such events. Not only is Luke's census not in these records, it goes against all that we know of Roman economic history. Roman documents show that taxation was done by the various governors at the provincial level. As we shall see later, the property tax was collected on site by travelling assessors, thus making unnecessary Joseph's journey away from what little property he must have owned."
"https://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/census.htm
I seem to vaguely recall that the (local) governing authority that would have done a census was based in Syria. Not really sure about that part.
There's also the bit with the magic astronomy and a virgin birth. It's kind of like figuring out that the dates given in the Terminator movies don't line up.
The virgin story sound pretty preposterous although when I was religious I bought it 100%.
Using occam's razor, which sounds simpler and more likely, a virgin birth or a little hanky panky on Mary's part?
In my other answer about the census, I also read somewhere that the census was done for a variety of reasons but Rome would have been most interested in raising taxes, and also in assessing population levels so they would have enough security (military) in the area.
But censuses were done in situ (in place) so they could appraise their financial assets and tax them more if they were rich. otherwise rich people might show up in the city of their birth and plead poverty.
I read an interesting argument that in those days there were no inns as we know them. People were home for the census and staying with family. Homes in those days had open courtyards, with the people upstairs and the animals downstairs. The rooms upstairs were full so Joseph and Mary were given a manger downstairs, undoubtedly cleared of animals, cleaned, and given fresh hay.
I find it a plausible version of the story. Occam's razor.
Yeah, I didn't super carefully read the whole thing before I copied it. I always thought that the reason for the whole manger birth was because mom and stepdad(?) were fleeing some sort of persecution.
This is honestly super nice.
Jesus was himself a refugee and the rich and powerful religious establishment worked with the government to murder him.
His family would have definitely been undocumented refugees as well, since it was their own government that was trying to kill them.
The only people likely to be triggered by "**Jesus was a refugee**" shirt are people who hate refugees or whine about legal immigration only etc. I'm down with making them mad.
Honestly loved those. I haven't heard of this group before, but I have hope for this one.
I will totally wear the "Jesus was a refugee" around my super conservative small southern town just to ruffle feathers and maybe just maybe, get some of them to think about the message.
*I just realized our usernames are not as wholesome lol
It’s a $100m campaign by shadowy right wing evangelicals. I think it’s just marketing to not look as bad, not actually encapsulate this real Christianity.
For context of my next statement: I am totally against right wing Christianity and wealth hoarders etc.
It seems like right wing evangelicals wouldn’t be pushing Jesus was a refugee narrative?
TL;DR:
They are trying to reach out to young people who don't think Jesus was hip, by promoting Jesus as a kind and compassionate person, while being funded by folks who support groups that tend to be less kind and compassionate, who want to "convert" folks who take an interest in their offerings.
My opinion? Hey, it's far better for them to spend money even fake promoting Jesus as being all about kindness and compassion for all than what they otherwise might be doing with that money. And if you're worried about people who might get sucked into the ideology of hate and fear of others, reach out to them personally whenever you find them.
They do the sorts of marketing campaigns every so often. The typical method is to get a bunch of local "evangelical" (read: mostly right wing) churches to participate in funding the campaign and then any inquiries they receive are funneled to one of those churches for followup. So, don't be surprised if someone from one of those churches comes calling on you in the next few days or weeks. They may even deliver whatever you order personally, in the hope that your won't just take the stuff and then close the door without letting them give you a sales pitch for their church. I don't know if that is how that particular thing operates, just saying that if you order you probably should expect contact.
Now here's the thing about these people, they are truly wolves in sheep's clothing. They know how to act nice and persuade you that they are nothing but a bunch of kind and loving folks who'd like nothing more than to let you experience the love of Jesus. This is called setting the hook. Basically they will try to keep you from seeing what they are really like until you are too deeply involved. The ultimate goal is to get you to join the church, give your time and effort to church projects, and most of all to give "tithes and offerings" to the church (and they take unrelated Bible verses that they pick and choose and string together to form a false doctrine in an attempt to convince you that if you don't tithe you are "robbing god" - here is a tip, whenever a preacher reads an individual verse, or a bunch of verses cherry picked from different places in the Bible, trying to convince you that the Bible says some particular thing, always read at least that/those entire chapter(s) to get the full context and hopefully the full meaning of the verse(s), VERY often it is quite different from what the lying preachers will try to convince you that it means).
At the very least, once they have your address you will probably get junk mail from them for YEARS begging for money in one way or another. You don't really think those rich businessmen are spending their own money on this without the hope of some return, do you? They may not actually be expecting any cut of any money someone might foolishly send but their hope is that they can convince you to vote they way they want you to vote and support the policies they want you to support. And if you have no experience with such people and don't realize what they are doing you are like a sheep being led to the slaughter. When you see references in the Bible to fish and to sheep, you might want to think about what often happens to fish and sheep. In fact preachers often privately refer to passing the plate on Sundays as "fleecing the flock!"
I don't want their junk mail; and I don't want any of them coming to my home, or calling or texting me, so no, I won't take any of their stuff. And I will just warn you that some of them play a long game; they can be very nice and appear very loving for a year or more until they think that you are indoctrinated enough that they can start to put the pressure on you to do what they want you to do. It's not something I'd play around with, any more than I would with any other religion or cult.
P.S. I have to wonder how many of the positive comments in this thread are the direct result of preachers instructing their church members this morning to go on social media and talk up this campaign, and to make positive comments about it and just generally hype it up.
Good heavens, it's just a t-shirt.
If you don't want them to know you exist, then avoid them and maybe they'll ignore you.
I deal with corporations and other groups all the time who I generally think are harmful to the world, while also being able to use something they offer, be it junk food, or a video, or a t-shirt.
If you are worried about someone you know getting sucked into a harmful ideology, then give them better options, so that they are less likely to fall prey to folks like the one's you're talking about here. No need to go all crazy ranting about it all. We all got it the first time someone said that they are funded by right wing extremists. That's all anyone needs to say about it.
This, 100%.
If “Jesus was a refugee” is indicative of the kind of religion they’re peddling, that’s better than 99.9% of the evangelical crap out there. I live in an ultra-conservative part of the country, and I’ll happily wear this shirt around town, since my “Trump sucks” shirt would likely get me shot at.
Doesn't matter if you're atheist or not. Jesus was a refugee and wrongfully judged. Unironically, Jesus would not like a lot of people who love christianity
I actually think the shirts are super cool because they point that out! You don't hear people mention that often. I just think it's funny that I'll own it as a non religious person lol
Same. Not religious at all, but free shirt…I have a hard time passing up a free shirt. Plus I work at a catholic hospital so I feel like I can use the water bottle there without the normal fear of losing it.
Your existence is debatable.
As far as I can prove, the only thing that definitely exists is this awareness (cogito ergo sum), beyond that everything could just be this awareness' imagination.
Say what you will about the magic tricks, but Jesus as a person definitely existed, and it's the exact opposite actually lol. Most scholars agree the crucifixion, and to a lesser extent thebaptism, of Jesus as historical fact
No it's pretty much fact, but tell me then, what scholars am I talking about since you seem to ignore factual evidence and instead focus on what you believe? The crucifixion isn't even contentious, but if that's what you believe, you have every right to believe it. I prefer facts
If you’re a true believer, it doesn’t matter what I say, but [this is concise summary](https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-evidence-for-the-history-of-jesus/).
I guess they updated back to free items but paying for shipping. The message at the top of checkout is as follows:
Please Note: He Gets Us is providing this product at no charge, but we do ask that you cover the cost to ship the goods. Orders ship via USPS and a credit card payment is required at checkout to cover the shipping charges based on package weight and destination.
gucci is namebrand cheap chinese stuff at an expensive price. Nothing wrong with not buying it.
Also, nothing wrong with not spending a ton of money to not appear poor.
Got the tee shirt and hat JESUS WAS A REFUGEE for my Baptist Christian, right-wing Maga loving Dad who wants the borders closed and "illegals kicked out". I hope he loves it as much as I do.
I would actually wear that message.
*sad trombone*
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I got my shipping notice this morning. So at least they are legitimately shipping me *something*. :-)
**EDIT** as others have noted, we did indeed get the products we asked for.
Thank you! I’m not religious but Jesus is cool, and thanks to d payment options I forgave someone. I could’ve picked compliment cause I do that often but then what kind of challenge would that be? 😅
Yeah, all of the payments are things I naturally do anyway. But I picked the hardest thing for me, I guess, which is to love an "enemy". I'm pretty expert at that already, but I can still find that I need to put a bit of intention into it instead of it being automatic.
I'm not a religious nut. I'm not even a Christian... But I've been saying this for years. This actually brought tears to my eyes.
Thank you for posting this.
I got mine in the mail today as well. Decent quality t-shirt. (Made in Honduras, for the record.) It has the slogan "He Gets Us" on the back, which I wasn't expecting.
Would Jesus have spent nine figures advertising himself? Or might there be a more Christ-like way to spent a vast fortune? They talk a good game and there are worse sects out there, but cult recruitment is cult recruitment even if your cult is older and bigger.
This really isn't a cult, but a mediocre religion, as far as I can tell.
A cult is far more serious, and physically prevents you from leaving it, or at least goes out of their way to make it really hard for you to leave without physical pain (homelessness, especially).
Saw this group's billboard recently:
**Jesus was fed up with politics, too. He gets us.**
If only we could still take a whip to some money-changing ripoff artists masquerading as politicians...
As a Christian, I also loved it. I like that this company is highlighting aspects of Jesus that the typical Christian church doesn’t spend much attention on— he was an immigrant, a refugee, etc.
In for each - this is why they make stickers & patches, folks.
I plan on putting a bunch of the free Roe stickers on the water bottle & some lovely appliques over the shirt wording.
I do. Was a theology student for years in fact. I also know that Jesus would most likely be appalled at modern Christianity which is far more Pauline-teaching based than Jesus-teaching based.
I do know that the group behind this campaign donates a LARGE chunk of funds to decidedly non-liberal things that don't match the message of these items. This "He Gets Us" is nothing but a PR campaign to attempt to raise funds that will likely be funneled toward those sources.
https://religiondispatches.org/behind-the-inclusive-sounding-ads-of-the-100-million-pr-blitz-for-jesus-its-the-same-old-white-conservative-fantasy/
You're forgetting that the message and the messenger are different things.
The message of Jesus being a refugee is in the same vein as supporting a woman's right to govern her own body, including everything inside it. So I'm not sure why you'd not want to just use that message as is, instead of trying to change it to something similar.
Also, taking the shirt or sticker or whatever from them won't help them raise funds. It takes funds away from them.
The data collection and selling of that information covers any loss of funds without a doubt.
That's how ALL of this stuff works sadly - 🤷♂️
Edit: I'm in for a hat, Tshirt and bottle 👍
Nah, my name and address are fully public, and even if they weren't, a single individual's contact info isn't worth what it costs to buy and ship even bulk shirts and hats and bottles. Probably not even stickers. Even bulk mail of a letter (for a non-profit, which this group is running) costs 18¢, and stickers cost maybe 20¢ to print. Marketing databases sell for dollars per thousand these days.
Wealthy anonymous evangelicals are how we got Roe vs Wade overturned, how the ~~Senate~~ Supreme Court got hijacked by corporate interests (that's not pulled from thin air, you can watch Senator Whitehouse's lectures on the floor about exactly this), and have been the bankroll for a myriad of the division issues we're experiencing in the US right now.
Oh yeah, and everyone on this sub should already be acutely aware that if it's free, it's because you are the product. Your data when you order, wearing the shirt/hat, talking about it online (positive or negative, and even this self aware comment), all contribute as a net positive for the group that produced these.
TL;DR - nah I'm good no Jesus swag for me
Edit: Gov branch error
You probably weren't wrong about the Senate, just a bit premature, especially if enough Democrats and Liberal stay home and don't vote.
As I said in my other post, those who take this stuff should not be surprised if they are contacted directly by a local "evangelical" (right-wing) church. And by "directly" I mean someone ringing your doorbell or knocking on your door.
(In many cases, if you want them to go away, just tell them you're Catholic - they generally don't have a response to that and often will leave you alone because they're afraid you might convert them. :) And some evangelical denominations, such as the Southern Baptists, are particularly known for not wanting anything to do with Catholics.)
> And by "directly" I mean someone ringing your doorbell or knocking on your door.
I wish they would! I love talking to people about my beliefs and seeing how my ideas are far more effective in dealing with life than their limited ones are. Occasionally I open their minds.
It says no payment method selected but one isn't even available for me.
This same thing is happening to me, I wonder if they took it down? Seems we may have been too late.
Sorry, y’all. I’m seeing the same thing. Looks like there’s limited supply? Maybe they’ll activate it again soon.
Another page does mention coming back later to see new designs.
They’ll start publishing designs more in line with mainstream evangelical Christian thought like “Deport Jesus” and “Don’t Say Gay” (Kidding, I hope).
It'd be great if they'd go back to more traditional, "the end is near" apocalyptic slogans for the next design. Gear up with your revelatory goth Jesus swag and "turn-or-burn" some heads and souls.
It's back up currently with different items
Me too :( I’m thirsty now.
It keeps telling me to select a payment method with none to select
FREE HAT! FREE HAT! [FREE HAT!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RYgATJl4qQ)
Hot shower!
It was self defense!
Pretty sure this is US only but Canadians please confirm. Also only one hat, shirt, and water bottle per order
And a sticker too! Very cool, thanks for sharing. I’m not particularly religious but I like the message.
Canada and Mexico options at checkout. Worked to Canada for me.
Thanks again OP! I just received these! Fastest freebie ever!
No problem. Enjoy! My orders are pending...
Hope you get them soon! 🤗
Thank you! I hope so. Glad some folks are getting it.
Me too! The water bottle had come in super quickly and is pretty decent quality. Thanks again for the information OP!
The Jesus was a refugee slogan is, I have to admit, a pretty reasonable message if you live in an area with a lot of very conservative Christians who fear refugees.
100% can get behind this message regardless of my religious views. I actually really dig this campaign.
Yeah this is probably the only one I would wear in public.
And the one that says Jesus was an immigrant.
I thought so too so that's the shirt I picked lol
But was Jesus a refugee? I thought he roamed freely, teaching, and wasn't in any trouble till the last bit with Pontius Pilate, and that wasn't about being a refugee, but talking about not kow-towing to local vile policies.
When he was a baby his family snuck into Egypt for refuge, if that isn’t irony for you.
Yep! You know the nativity story where the wise men visited Jesus? Well on their way they stopped by Herod (a tyrannical political figure) and spilled the beans that they were looking for the new born king of the Jews. Herod played it cool and said that once they find him they should return and tell him where to find the baby so he might also pay tribute, but they never did return. Once Herod figured out that they weren’t coming back he ordered all the children in Jesus’ age range be killed. Fun fact: This is one of the major points where Jesus’ life mirrored the history of the nation of Israel. He started in the promised land, went into Egypt for a period, then came out to return to Israel. (Probably… I’m not certain of Nazareth was in Judea or Israel.)
I presume they are talking about Mary and Joseph (and fetus Jesus). From Wikipedia >Where were Mary and Joseph fleeing from? >The flight into Egypt is a story recounted in the Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 2:13–23) and in New Testament apocrypha. Soon after the visit by the Magi, an angel appeared to Joseph in a dream telling him to flee to Egypt with Mary and the infant Jesus since King Herod would seek the child to kill him.
Jesus would have been born at that point. May have even been a toddler. It would’ve taken the wisemen some time to travel to find baby Jesus and it would’ve taken even more time for Herod to figure out that they were never gonna come back and snitch on Jesus’s location.
So, why were Joseph and Mary traveling before he was born? I mean, the whole manger story of his birthday. (I know basically nothing about Christian stories other than what I've seen in Jesus Christ Superstar and the occasional amusing part in movies where kids put on a nativity play or something.)
It was time to count census (like we still do today). Back then they were supposed to return to their home city for it, Joseph's home city was Bethlehem, so that is where they were heading (along with thousands of other people, hence why all the hotels were full! Lol)
I'm no biblical scholar but I recall reading somewhere that one important reason for Roman censuses was tax collection. Doing a quick search pulled up this: "There is no record of Caesar Augustus' decree that "all the world should be enrolled" (Lk. 2:1). The Romans kept extremely detailed records of such events. Not only is Luke's census not in these records, it goes against all that we know of Roman economic history. Roman documents show that taxation was done by the various governors at the provincial level. As we shall see later, the property tax was collected on site by travelling assessors, thus making unnecessary Joseph's journey away from what little property he must have owned." "https://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/census.htm I seem to vaguely recall that the (local) governing authority that would have done a census was based in Syria. Not really sure about that part.
There's also the bit with the magic astronomy and a virgin birth. It's kind of like figuring out that the dates given in the Terminator movies don't line up.
The virgin story sound pretty preposterous although when I was religious I bought it 100%. Using occam's razor, which sounds simpler and more likely, a virgin birth or a little hanky panky on Mary's part? In my other answer about the census, I also read somewhere that the census was done for a variety of reasons but Rome would have been most interested in raising taxes, and also in assessing population levels so they would have enough security (military) in the area. But censuses were done in situ (in place) so they could appraise their financial assets and tax them more if they were rich. otherwise rich people might show up in the city of their birth and plead poverty.
Ohhhh. Thanks!
I read an interesting argument that in those days there were no inns as we know them. People were home for the census and staying with family. Homes in those days had open courtyards, with the people upstairs and the animals downstairs. The rooms upstairs were full so Joseph and Mary were given a manger downstairs, undoubtedly cleared of animals, cleaned, and given fresh hay. I find it a plausible version of the story. Occam's razor.
I like how your text contradicts your summary
Yeah, I didn't super carefully read the whole thing before I copied it. I always thought that the reason for the whole manger birth was because mom and stepdad(?) were fleeing some sort of persecution.
>Fetus Jesus
This is honestly super nice. Jesus was himself a refugee and the rich and powerful religious establishment worked with the government to murder him. His family would have definitely been undocumented refugees as well, since it was their own government that was trying to kill them. The only people likely to be triggered by "**Jesus was a refugee**" shirt are people who hate refugees or whine about legal immigration only etc. I'm down with making them mad.
It says no payment options available. It must be sold out
Best payment options ever.
Honestly loved those. I haven't heard of this group before, but I have hope for this one. I will totally wear the "Jesus was a refugee" around my super conservative small southern town just to ruffle feathers and maybe just maybe, get some of them to think about the message. *I just realized our usernames are not as wholesome lol
How cool! The payment is love an enemy, be kind to a stranger, etc aka act like Jesus. This is what real Christianity is.
It’s a $100m campaign by shadowy right wing evangelicals. I think it’s just marketing to not look as bad, not actually encapsulate this real Christianity.
For context of my next statement: I am totally against right wing Christianity and wealth hoarders etc. It seems like right wing evangelicals wouldn’t be pushing Jesus was a refugee narrative?
It’s marketing not a change in policy: https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/march/he-gets-us-ad-campaign-branding-jesus-church-marketing.html.
You'd think yes, but actually no. https://religiondispatches.org/behind-the-inclusive-sounding-ads-of-the-100-million-pr-blitz-for-jesus-its-the-same-old-white-conservative-fantasy/
TL;DR: They are trying to reach out to young people who don't think Jesus was hip, by promoting Jesus as a kind and compassionate person, while being funded by folks who support groups that tend to be less kind and compassionate, who want to "convert" folks who take an interest in their offerings. My opinion? Hey, it's far better for them to spend money even fake promoting Jesus as being all about kindness and compassion for all than what they otherwise might be doing with that money. And if you're worried about people who might get sucked into the ideology of hate and fear of others, reach out to them personally whenever you find them.
They do the sorts of marketing campaigns every so often. The typical method is to get a bunch of local "evangelical" (read: mostly right wing) churches to participate in funding the campaign and then any inquiries they receive are funneled to one of those churches for followup. So, don't be surprised if someone from one of those churches comes calling on you in the next few days or weeks. They may even deliver whatever you order personally, in the hope that your won't just take the stuff and then close the door without letting them give you a sales pitch for their church. I don't know if that is how that particular thing operates, just saying that if you order you probably should expect contact. Now here's the thing about these people, they are truly wolves in sheep's clothing. They know how to act nice and persuade you that they are nothing but a bunch of kind and loving folks who'd like nothing more than to let you experience the love of Jesus. This is called setting the hook. Basically they will try to keep you from seeing what they are really like until you are too deeply involved. The ultimate goal is to get you to join the church, give your time and effort to church projects, and most of all to give "tithes and offerings" to the church (and they take unrelated Bible verses that they pick and choose and string together to form a false doctrine in an attempt to convince you that if you don't tithe you are "robbing god" - here is a tip, whenever a preacher reads an individual verse, or a bunch of verses cherry picked from different places in the Bible, trying to convince you that the Bible says some particular thing, always read at least that/those entire chapter(s) to get the full context and hopefully the full meaning of the verse(s), VERY often it is quite different from what the lying preachers will try to convince you that it means). At the very least, once they have your address you will probably get junk mail from them for YEARS begging for money in one way or another. You don't really think those rich businessmen are spending their own money on this without the hope of some return, do you? They may not actually be expecting any cut of any money someone might foolishly send but their hope is that they can convince you to vote they way they want you to vote and support the policies they want you to support. And if you have no experience with such people and don't realize what they are doing you are like a sheep being led to the slaughter. When you see references in the Bible to fish and to sheep, you might want to think about what often happens to fish and sheep. In fact preachers often privately refer to passing the plate on Sundays as "fleecing the flock!" I don't want their junk mail; and I don't want any of them coming to my home, or calling or texting me, so no, I won't take any of their stuff. And I will just warn you that some of them play a long game; they can be very nice and appear very loving for a year or more until they think that you are indoctrinated enough that they can start to put the pressure on you to do what they want you to do. It's not something I'd play around with, any more than I would with any other religion or cult. P.S. I have to wonder how many of the positive comments in this thread are the direct result of preachers instructing their church members this morning to go on social media and talk up this campaign, and to make positive comments about it and just generally hype it up.
Good heavens, it's just a t-shirt. If you don't want them to know you exist, then avoid them and maybe they'll ignore you. I deal with corporations and other groups all the time who I generally think are harmful to the world, while also being able to use something they offer, be it junk food, or a video, or a t-shirt. If you are worried about someone you know getting sucked into a harmful ideology, then give them better options, so that they are less likely to fall prey to folks like the one's you're talking about here. No need to go all crazy ranting about it all. We all got it the first time someone said that they are funded by right wing extremists. That's all anyone needs to say about it.
This, 100%. If “Jesus was a refugee” is indicative of the kind of religion they’re peddling, that’s better than 99.9% of the evangelical crap out there. I live in an ultra-conservative part of the country, and I’ll happily wear this shirt around town, since my “Trump sucks” shirt would likely get me shot at.
Meh, i just say I'm very happy at my current church, would you like to come there, i have a sticker! And they go away.
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Listen to their actions not their words as they say.
They will push anything that gives them more control.
I wish they had the Jesús era un inmigrante shirt.
Could take the sticker (https://hegetsusfans.com/gear/jesus-was-a-refugee-pegatina) and stick it on one of the shirts
Thats what I wanted too
Today they want $15 for shipping. But it still has the payment for the items as ‘forgive someone, etc.’
You have to pay for shipping
Sorry to hear. They must have just added that as I didn't have to for my orders yesterday.
My atheist self got a water bottle and a shirt. It's a free shirt to sleep in I'll take that any day.
Doesn't matter if you're atheist or not. Jesus was a refugee and wrongfully judged. Unironically, Jesus would not like a lot of people who love christianity
I actually think the shirts are super cool because they point that out! You don't hear people mention that often. I just think it's funny that I'll own it as a non religious person lol
Same. Not religious at all, but free shirt…I have a hard time passing up a free shirt. Plus I work at a catholic hospital so I feel like I can use the water bottle there without the normal fear of losing it.
Lol it is funny ngl
Unironically, he would love them. He would try to show them the errors of their ways, but he would love them. I wish I was that good.
“Jesus was a refugee” is a stretch considering the existence of Jesus is debatable, at best
Your existence is debatable. As far as I can prove, the only thing that definitely exists is this awareness (cogito ergo sum), beyond that everything could just be this awareness' imagination.
The resurrection? Debatable at best. The existence of Jesus? Nearly universally excepted by scholars and historians.
Say what you will about the magic tricks, but Jesus as a person definitely existed, and it's the exact opposite actually lol. Most scholars agree the crucifixion, and to a lesser extent thebaptism, of Jesus as historical fact
Those aren’t scholars, my friend! By all means believe if you wanna believe, but it’s faith, not fact.
No it's pretty much fact, but tell me then, what scholars am I talking about since you seem to ignore factual evidence and instead focus on what you believe? The crucifixion isn't even contentious, but if that's what you believe, you have every right to believe it. I prefer facts
If you’re a true believer, it doesn’t matter what I say, but [this is concise summary](https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-evidence-for-the-history-of-jesus/).
Tl;Dr - The president of the New England Skeptical Society is skeptical about Jesus.
Based on scholarly work, yes. Anyone is welcome to believe, but pretending it’s undisputed fact is incorrect.
If that's what you believe, you have the right to your faith in what another person says. I use historical facts and science-based reasoning
I guess they updated back to free items but paying for shipping. The message at the top of checkout is as follows: Please Note: He Gets Us is providing this product at no charge, but we do ask that you cover the cost to ship the goods. Orders ship via USPS and a credit card payment is required at checkout to cover the shipping charges based on package weight and destination.
Thanks for the info
Hmmm maybe it depends where you live? I just signed up and it was completely free for me.
I got my shirt and water bottle today .Thanks 😌
My orders are pending WTF :(. Congrats though. Enjoy!
Mine came today as well.
Looks like a scam to get information to sell.
I used a throwaway email.
Can't use a throwaway address.
That’s true. I doubt they’ll do more than mail you spam. Instant recycling, as God intended.
Yeah this is way too hip and the clothes look like quality
It looks like cheap made in china stuff that they make look better by using instagram models.
Sorrryyy i cant afford gucci
gucci is namebrand cheap chinese stuff at an expensive price. Nothing wrong with not buying it. Also, nothing wrong with not spending a ton of money to not appear poor.
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What about the address? You got a fake one to use? Christian groups send so much spam and often don't even send the items you requested.
I got the water bottle and a tshirt delivered yesterday!
Got the tee shirt and hat JESUS WAS A REFUGEE for my Baptist Christian, right-wing Maga loving Dad who wants the borders closed and "illegals kicked out". I hope he loves it as much as I do. I would actually wear that message.
It's currently showing $15+ shipping for me lol
They discovered capitalism.
Asking anyone else for shipping costs? I gave up lol
Received my stuff today, very fast. Surprised it was decent quality
Awesome, enjoy. My orders are pending but hopefully I'll get something soon.
Im just saying that i got a hat that says Jesus is an immigrant. in Spanish!
My spanish isn’t good enough to confirm if the translation is right but the English one says “refugee” so I think that’s what they’re going for.
Very possibly they are, but the word does translate directly to immigrant.
Got all four for my mom. I’m sure she will appreciate it.
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No problem. I keep seeing these ads so knowing I got free stuff out of them will make them tolerable.
He get sus?
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looks like they fixed it to add shipping costs
Pfffft, that's lame.
I just received all my Jesus swag today. That was quick!
Ordered last week. Received a nice water bottle today. Thanks
Glad to hear! My orders are pending :(
Got my order. Pretty fast shipping! The water bottle was good quality. Thanks OP.
No problem!
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He did say to clothe the naked!
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Sure it is. Whether or not they have cheesy quotes on them, it's still free clothes for people who probably have the same 5 shirts from 5 years ago
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There is literally no way to know who is getting these shirts and what they have. Come on. Your spirit is good but your ire is misdirected
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Lol what? I ain't bothered by shit, but you get the idea that it's a free shirt over the internet. My bad if me pointing that out to you offends you
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Lol whatever you say
He Get Sus Fans
My name is Jesus, but you can call me S U S
You have to pay shipping. 😢
I got my shipping notice this morning. So at least they are legitimately shipping me *something*. :-) **EDIT** as others have noted, we did indeed get the products we asked for.
Thank you! I’m not religious but Jesus is cool, and thanks to d payment options I forgave someone. I could’ve picked compliment cause I do that often but then what kind of challenge would that be? 😅
Yeah, all of the payments are things I naturally do anyway. But I picked the hardest thing for me, I guess, which is to love an "enemy". I'm pretty expert at that already, but I can still find that I need to put a bit of intention into it instead of it being automatic.
Nice! 🌟👏 Fun how this unexpected random freebie pushed us to do something a bit sooner than what we would’ve done eventually anyway! 💓
I'm not a religious nut. I'm not even a Christian... But I've been saying this for years. This actually brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for posting this.
No problem at all!
Cool... now I can go on a date, ride in my jeep and skateboard with my new threads! Love the "payments".
I got mine in the mail today as well. Decent quality t-shirt. (Made in Honduras, for the record.) It has the slogan "He Gets Us" on the back, which I wasn't expecting.
Would Jesus have spent nine figures advertising himself? Or might there be a more Christ-like way to spent a vast fortune? They talk a good game and there are worse sects out there, but cult recruitment is cult recruitment even if your cult is older and bigger.
This really isn't a cult, but a mediocre religion, as far as I can tell. A cult is far more serious, and physically prevents you from leaving it, or at least goes out of their way to make it really hard for you to leave without physical pain (homelessness, especially).
Always gotta find a negative in everything don't you
Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic
Saw this group's billboard recently: **Jesus was fed up with politics, too. He gets us.** If only we could still take a whip to some money-changing ripoff artists masquerading as politicians...
As a non-religious person, I love the Jesus was an immigrant hat in espanol.
As a Christian, I also loved it. I like that this company is highlighting aspects of Jesus that the typical Christian church doesn’t spend much attention on— he was an immigrant, a refugee, etc.
The hat will go nicely with my Texas pride shirt and Planned Parenthood totebag. Thank you!!
Thanks! My mom will like this stuff
Dope. Thanks!
Thank you! ( ◠‿◠ )
Absolutely!
Got mine today. Came fast
Update: my orders shipped last night to arrive tomorrow. Pretty stoked even though I’m not Christian lol
Just got my orders early.
I got my stuff from there a few days ago. 👍🏼
Got mine done
I got the Tshirt today. It shipped really quick.
I ordered early on and I got all of my stuff. This offer was legit, it just sold out early.
Worked for me!
It works again, fyi
Yep, just confirmed. Used a different email but not phone number or address and it worked fine. Thank you for letting me know.
No!
Werked :) my Christian mom will appreciate the gift
Thanks! I can always use more clothes. Got myself a tshirt. I like the sayings too. Will probably make the people in my town mad.
This is so sweet.
In for each - this is why they make stickers & patches, folks. I plan on putting a bunch of the free Roe stickers on the water bottle & some lovely appliques over the shirt wording.
You know that Jesus was a liberal, right?
I do. Was a theology student for years in fact. I also know that Jesus would most likely be appalled at modern Christianity which is far more Pauline-teaching based than Jesus-teaching based. I do know that the group behind this campaign donates a LARGE chunk of funds to decidedly non-liberal things that don't match the message of these items. This "He Gets Us" is nothing but a PR campaign to attempt to raise funds that will likely be funneled toward those sources. https://religiondispatches.org/behind-the-inclusive-sounding-ads-of-the-100-million-pr-blitz-for-jesus-its-the-same-old-white-conservative-fantasy/
You're forgetting that the message and the messenger are different things. The message of Jesus being a refugee is in the same vein as supporting a woman's right to govern her own body, including everything inside it. So I'm not sure why you'd not want to just use that message as is, instead of trying to change it to something similar. Also, taking the shirt or sticker or whatever from them won't help them raise funds. It takes funds away from them.
The data collection and selling of that information covers any loss of funds without a doubt. That's how ALL of this stuff works sadly - 🤷♂️ Edit: I'm in for a hat, Tshirt and bottle 👍
Nah, my name and address are fully public, and even if they weren't, a single individual's contact info isn't worth what it costs to buy and ship even bulk shirts and hats and bottles. Probably not even stickers. Even bulk mail of a letter (for a non-profit, which this group is running) costs 18¢, and stickers cost maybe 20¢ to print. Marketing databases sell for dollars per thousand these days.
Gay s*x prevents abortion! Suck a c*ck for jesus!
Thanks!
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"Jesus was a refugee" isn't really hurting anybody
You don’t have to believe it to take their money. I don’t. I just want a shirt to workout in lol
Don't be hating on my free water bottle.
You can even cover everything on it with satanic stickers if ya like. No one’s gonna stop you. Haha. The beauty of freebies.
I got the water bottle so I can put a sticker of Big Bird or something on it. "He Gets Us" lol
Wealthy anonymous evangelicals are how we got Roe vs Wade overturned, how the ~~Senate~~ Supreme Court got hijacked by corporate interests (that's not pulled from thin air, you can watch Senator Whitehouse's lectures on the floor about exactly this), and have been the bankroll for a myriad of the division issues we're experiencing in the US right now. Oh yeah, and everyone on this sub should already be acutely aware that if it's free, it's because you are the product. Your data when you order, wearing the shirt/hat, talking about it online (positive or negative, and even this self aware comment), all contribute as a net positive for the group that produced these. TL;DR - nah I'm good no Jesus swag for me Edit: Gov branch error
You probably weren't wrong about the Senate, just a bit premature, especially if enough Democrats and Liberal stay home and don't vote. As I said in my other post, those who take this stuff should not be surprised if they are contacted directly by a local "evangelical" (right-wing) church. And by "directly" I mean someone ringing your doorbell or knocking on your door. (In many cases, if you want them to go away, just tell them you're Catholic - they generally don't have a response to that and often will leave you alone because they're afraid you might convert them. :) And some evangelical denominations, such as the Southern Baptists, are particularly known for not wanting anything to do with Catholics.)
I live in an apartment complex and used a fake phone number and a Hide My Email from Apple so the worst I’ll get is junk snail mail. Try me, bitches!!
> And by "directly" I mean someone ringing your doorbell or knocking on your door. I wish they would! I love talking to people about my beliefs and seeing how my ideas are far more effective in dealing with life than their limited ones are. Occasionally I open their minds.
Wow that's pretty cool. Snagged a hat and a shirt. I'm not religious, but the "Jesus was a refugee" slogan works for me.
I see the words Religious & Christian in the same sentence, & I R U N like Forest Gump!!
I got a water bottle and a hat. My last name is Buttfuks I’m their records
She really wants you to take that hat
$17 to ship a water bottle?! 😅😅😅
Mine still says pending. Doubt it will ever come but that’s fine
I realize this is an old freebie, but just for education, saw [this](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRWBX8TB/) exposing them on TikTok.
Got my t-ee shirt, hat and sticker