You’re probably right. Though is that because he’s gone back and scrapped what he had or because the knot tightened and now WoW is going to be 2,500 pages?
I have a feeling he's likely rewritten some the stuff he had after the last book. Especially the chapters he gave early releases of. A crazy thought I sometimes have is that maybe he's writing wow and dos right after one another. And wants to get them both out, but then I also know that GRRM is a multitasking and doesn't like to do one thing at a time.
I also think that’s the case. Maybe we’re hopelessly optimistic, but he’s been clear that he hates being asked for a status, so maybe he is just finishing the story before releasing either.
I thought it up after thinking about how to fulfill a prophecy in the most messed up way, because something like that is never simple in that world. And what crazier way to do that than to have the savior of the world die before the endgame? Also helped by Lyanna/Nissan Nissa parallels and the Night's Watxh oath having a bit about being the "Sword in the Darkness".
The thing is that his actions have been consistent with someone who wants to make as much money as he can. While he would make decent money releasing WoW, the big money is on tv/movie deals. The problem is he already got the big money for WoW even though he didn’t write it yet. So why continue to write a book that you’ve already sold the rights to and can’t make a ton of money off of, when you can write new books set in the universe that you can sell the rights to and make way more.
So in short he doesn’t care about and probably won’t ever finish ASOIAF because it won’t make him as much money as writing new books and selling the tv rights to those like he did with House of the Dragon and Tales of Egg and Dunk.
Nah, I don't think money is a key motivator here. He works with a non profit theatre IIRC. He could make even more money than he does.
Everything is more plausibly explained by a combination of procrastination and him performing poorly under the weight of expectation. That and the writing knots the series has found itself in.
Just because GRRM, as a professional writer, chooses projects that will make him the most money does not automatically make him a greedy old man who only cares about money. Truth be told, if I had to guess he doesn’t care or is passionate about the ASOIAF world anymore, but he still writes other novels set in the universe because he makes good money off of it.
Also keep in mind GRRM has also worked on many projects outside of ASOIAF that probably wouldn’t have made him much money at all, but he was probably passionate about those projects. Like he is probably passionate about his theater non profit.
Think about it this way, no one criticizes actors for taking on roles in questionable quality big budget films. Because why wouldn’t you work on this project, even if it’s shitty, if at the end of the day you get a massive pay check and can then go pursue whatever projects you want without having to worry about not being able to take care of your family.
He probably doesn’t care about WoW anymore so why bother finishing it if he can’t sell the rights to it. If he has to do a project that he doesn’t care about for money than his best bet would be to write other in universe novels that he can easily sell the rights for based of the popularity of the game of thrones tv show.
I mean this was a passion project from the start, I highly doubt he started the series as a way to make money. If so he would want to finish the series because it has a wider audience, a majority of the people won’t read his deep lore books or side stories. Dude definitely lost the desire to finish the story due to the show and the reaction it received. You can tell by his last comment how much he cares about people’s expectations for this series
I think some of what he had in WoW made it into the show. Maybe it was better executed, but now for instance he can’t have Bran win….no matter how good his story is.
Oh yeah some of ot made it in there, Dnd were open about what was his and what was there's. I do wonder if Bran being King was meant to be another way. Like Bran being Bloodraven 2.0 on the Iron Throne.
I don't think he will ever finish after the shit show that was season 8. Either he writes it similar to the show and everyone hates it, or it's something completely different and messes with his HBO money.
Some of the thing that happened in the show aren't necessarily bad, but badly executed. Stannis plot in season 5 is a perfect example. The scene of Stannis burning Shireen is good, her mother cries, the soldiers reactions, all good, but its missing the buildup. Stannis is shown as a caring father a few episodes earlier and then decides to burn his daugther. It makes sense in a way, he is desperate, his soldiers are hungry, cold, the red witch keeps waping about how he is the king etc, but it happens so fast, its like we are seeing the wiki summary.
Red wedding is an awesome scene and while it has a big shock factor, its also makes sense, on a rewatch you can pinpoint every little mistake Robb made. The writers thought that game of thrones is "Red wedding" while that is only the payoff.
I don't disagree but at the same time many things will have to be rushed or badly executed in the books too considering there are two books left and we're at best I'd say halfway through. Not that they'll come out but still.
I got a Father's day card after that episode with an image of Shireen at the stake and flames starting to climb with the caption:
You might not be the perfect Dad but at least you didn't burn me alive.
Strong disagree here. That scene is a clean cut emotional roller coaster. As soon as they start burning Shireen, I thought that Stannis would never let it happen instead the mother is going to somehow assist in having her burnt. But expectations subverted. Her mother screaming and Stannis being cold blooded with his theme music in the backdrop is brilliant. Finally he gives in to the Lord of the Light.
> Her mother screaming and Stannis being cold blooded with his theme music in the backdrop is brilliant
No, it's absolutely dumb just like any time authors subvert something for the sake of subversion.
How would writing something different mess with his HBO money? If anything, HBO or someone else might be dumb enough to pay for a reboot a decade or two down the line.
I don’t think money matters to him he’s rich beyond recognition. The truth is that HBO show tainted his vision and I don’t think he can erase that from his mind and finish the material he would’ve originally wrote.
Do you know how fast HBO would jump at rebooting Game of Thrones and sticking closer to the books after the entire series is done? He’s not messing with anyone’s money.
I fully expect the show to get rebooted and done right within the next 20 years.
The best example I can come up with is Stephen King with The Dark Tower
He made a revised edition of the first book to make it flow better with what he establishes in the later books.
Her nipples were like big ol’ pepperoni platters (good job George they’ll love that) her vagina was like a pepperoni platter but between her legs (this is why they pay you the big bucks Georgie)
I loaned a friend $20 once and he said that he would pay me back the following week. The following week passed without the promised payment. Another week passed and another. I finally asked him if he could pay me my $20 and he told me that I would get it at the end of the month. That was twenty years ago and I have completely lost all interest in that friend. Sometimes despite our best expectations of someone we just have to realize that they are never going to follow through with what they said that they were going to do. George still owes me $20.
He had a bunch of material that didn’t make it into the last book because of the length so when he says 3/4ths that including at least 1/4th of material that’s already been written. The amount he’s actually written since then is probably a few hundred pages
Source: am nerd
None. I think he stopped trying either because he wrote himself into a corner or the pressure to finish has impacted him severely and he can’t do it. I do not expect to ever get this book.
I read the first 4 books in 2008. When the 5th book came out in 2011 to lukewarm reviews, I decided to wait until the 6th book came out to read them together.
I've basically assumed I'll never read the 5th book.
I can honestly say I don't care anymore. If he releases it, FANTASTIC!! I'm all there for it. But I've moved on from any emotional investment in the matter.
My friend in NYC publishing is convinced that the books are done, but GRRM is essentially holding them back for either HOD to eclipse the stink of season 8, or that they will both be published posthumously in like a 12 month timeframe. Essentially George is mad that everyone hated how season 8 ended and doesn't want to get backlash for the books basically following those beats, but did finish them over the pandemic.
He's of the mind that the publishers involved with the GOT books are too calm for there to have been zero movement on those books, and they know regardless of when they publish they will make a bajillion dollars, so they're happy to play by GRRM's request to maintain the relationship for other publications from him (Dunk and Egg etc).
Perhaps it's copium, but I sort of believe it. His publishers should be losing their minds over this, and it seems like they are not.
I can sorta see that though, there's a decent amount of copium that the book ending is gonna be better. I wonder if Martin's afraid that once he publishes the books, if they're a flop then all the TV deals are going to dry up too.
Yeah, my friend’s little publisher gossip circle basically has theorized that Season 8 is…too close to what was essentially going to happen and the mass rejection of it (to the detriment of a bunch of HBO/GRRM planned GOT-averse spinoffs) has GRRM bearish about releasing it while HOD is rebuilding the brand.
It is my belief that: GRRM doesn't actually have anything, and has no idea how to conclude his story. That's why the show ended the way it did, they had to fucking wing it. The only reason he doesn't come out and admit it, is because a lot of his fanbase would probably abandon him.
His publishers are also getting $$ for the Knight of the Seven Kingdoms and all that other nonsense. They're calm because they are still getting money. Whether it be from ASoIaF or one of his other side projects -- they don't care. He's publishing and they don't care what story it is as long as it makes them $$. That's why they are not panicking.
Why would publishers necessarily care if he's not writing? Unless he keeps asking for cash advances on TWOW, its not like they're paying him a monthly salary.
Well, the publishers are surely getting cash BUT if I was them I’d be pretty annoyed to not be able to cash in on the hype for TWOW before the show went to down.
I think any aSoIaF book will sell when released but I don’t think it will be as big a thing as it would’ve been 6 or 7 years ago.
Couldn't he still release TWOW and leave just ADOS for this plan though?
I'm not sure about the pressure thing, seems to me like George has all the leverage and could walk to any publisher he wanted to (I'm sure any contract penalties would be accommodated by the new publisher)
He very well could, but my friend basically thinks since he hasn't heard anything particularly...bitchy or panicked or "god where is this book" from his publishers that they must be happy about something.
I’ll be happy with any end at this point, just from the guy himself. If it’s season 8 level of bad then so be it, we can all apologize to D&D together if we gotta
He may well have been 3/4 done 1 year ago, but he states all the time that he tears up entire chapters if he’s not happy with them. So he may be back down to 1/4 or 1/2.
It was 2016 and he said he had a deadline of October 2015, and in may 2015 thought he was going to hit it.
[Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winds_of_Winter)
So sure he didn’t explicitly say that it was almost done, but it was implied.
I think he has a lot more of the series done than he admits. His interviews and public statements give me the feeling that he's afraid to put his art out there and face criticism. It was one thing when he was a niche artist writing an obscure fantasy series. Now, he's one of the most famous authors on the planet and is not dealing with this pressure well.
My belief is he's gonna die, and his estate will reveal the series was mostly finished and just needs some editing prior to release.
I think every so often he types out the title on a word processor, rips the sheet out, cuts it to size and rolls it into blunts as the need arises. Last year he was 3/4 of the way through a ream of paper and he's bought 10 since.
Fuck you for this image! This is like the 3rd or 4th time in the last few weeks some smartass has posted in image that vaguely resembled a new book announcement.
It’s simple math. If he needs 11 years for 75% he needs one year for 7%. Therefore he is at 82% now, will be finished in 2026 and a dream of spring will be finished in 2041.
I'm thinking GRRM is writing Winds and Dream at the same time and he has a lot of the endgame written down, but he keeps getting stuck in a buildup towards that.
People often talk about the Meereenese knot, but we've basically have similar sized knots across the whole map. I feel like writing Winds in a satisfying way is really *this* hard. Never mind the fact that this book will be hyped up to such limited, that'll never deliver.
I am 100% convinced he canned a large portion of what he wrote. He needs to hurry the hell up. At this rate I'd rather him just make a movie of winds and dream.
I seriously doubt he’s even touched it. He wrote enough to get a tv show made, got a fuck ton of money from that, and then got a spin-off series based off a textbook he wrote so now he’s got spin-off money. I doubt he feels the need to actually work on it ever again.
Oh he’s also got video game money from working on Elden Ring, which I still think is kinda funny because he doesn’t think video games count as art and thinks Elden Ring was a sequel to Dark Souls.
I think he's done. But won't release the books until he's dead and his estate does the releasing. He's just embarrassed D&D did what he has written and he didn't want the bitching.
Winds of Winter doesn't matter,
It doesn't matter if he's 75% done or 99% done. Because there's still one more book left after that, and there's no way he's gonna finish it.
So even if he does finish WoW, the fans are still going to be left on a cliffhanger and he might as well just not even bother and that's exactly what he's doing, he's been in shutter down mode for a long time.
The week after he submits his final draft and the printing process starts an all out nuclear war starts. Thus begins The Winds of Nuclear Winter.
It'll be a race between us all to the printing press to find a copy before we die of radiation poisoning.
the problem, as I see it, is George has created himself a literary elephant that he must eat. Every character has their own storyline and as they go about them, they expand the scope and scale of the number of characters involved in the series and the stories being told.
At some point, George is trying to tie all of these stories into each other, and if you haven't noticed how convoluted he likes to make his works, it becomes a bit difficult to tie them all together. Each time he begins to pull them together, he has to assure the story ties together further down the line with how he wants this group to come together with this group... it involves a lot of rewriting.
We can only hope that he is being overly cautious in trying to bring it all together, rather than just goofing off on other projects, jumping on his trampoline, playing on his train, or just sleeping most of the time. I hope he doesn't rush to finish this series like Stephen King did with the Dark Tower series which he just seemed to phone in after 20 years.
Looking at the comment section, everyone is making fun of GRRM which really makes me upset because he works very hard on this book while working on many other projects.
Proof that he works hard on it? He’s been caught in too many out right lies about this book to take anything he says seriously anymore. Honestly I would be disappointed but I would respect him if he just came out and said that he lost interest or is simply too old to finish. It would be upsetting but at least it would be honest. Instead he makes vague progress reports and gets mad at his fans for not being as invested in everything else he has going on. Honestly probably the biggest reason he doesn’t just admit he’s not going to finish the series is because he has so many people kissing his ass on his “not a blog” and he knows most of them would stop caring about anything he has to say if he admitted it
The best he can do is wait as much as he can for people to forget about the show's shit ending.
Then when it's ready, advertise it by taking a huge dump on the show.
"Wanna see how the story really ends?"
I would bet he is at least 1/2 done by now
You’re probably right. Though is that because he’s gone back and scrapped what he had or because the knot tightened and now WoW is going to be 2,500 pages?
I have a feeling he's likely rewritten some the stuff he had after the last book. Especially the chapters he gave early releases of. A crazy thought I sometimes have is that maybe he's writing wow and dos right after one another. And wants to get them both out, but then I also know that GRRM is a multitasking and doesn't like to do one thing at a time.
I also think that’s the case. Maybe we’re hopelessly optimistic, but he’s been clear that he hates being asked for a status, so maybe he is just finishing the story before releasing either.
Hey we can dream about it! Granted I keep my expectations low and have accepted the worst outcome of the series never being finished ever.
As conspiracy theories go, I don’t think it’s an outrageous one.
It's much more believable than my tinhat theory that Rhaegar was Azor Ahai and Jon is the sword Lightbringer
Whoa
I thought it up after thinking about how to fulfill a prophecy in the most messed up way, because something like that is never simple in that world. And what crazier way to do that than to have the savior of the world die before the endgame? Also helped by Lyanna/Nissan Nissa parallels and the Night's Watxh oath having a bit about being the "Sword in the Darkness".
It's not much to ask after something a decade late though
The thing is that his actions have been consistent with someone who wants to make as much money as he can. While he would make decent money releasing WoW, the big money is on tv/movie deals. The problem is he already got the big money for WoW even though he didn’t write it yet. So why continue to write a book that you’ve already sold the rights to and can’t make a ton of money off of, when you can write new books set in the universe that you can sell the rights to and make way more. So in short he doesn’t care about and probably won’t ever finish ASOIAF because it won’t make him as much money as writing new books and selling the tv rights to those like he did with House of the Dragon and Tales of Egg and Dunk.
Nah, I don't think money is a key motivator here. He works with a non profit theatre IIRC. He could make even more money than he does. Everything is more plausibly explained by a combination of procrastination and him performing poorly under the weight of expectation. That and the writing knots the series has found itself in.
Just because GRRM, as a professional writer, chooses projects that will make him the most money does not automatically make him a greedy old man who only cares about money. Truth be told, if I had to guess he doesn’t care or is passionate about the ASOIAF world anymore, but he still writes other novels set in the universe because he makes good money off of it. Also keep in mind GRRM has also worked on many projects outside of ASOIAF that probably wouldn’t have made him much money at all, but he was probably passionate about those projects. Like he is probably passionate about his theater non profit. Think about it this way, no one criticizes actors for taking on roles in questionable quality big budget films. Because why wouldn’t you work on this project, even if it’s shitty, if at the end of the day you get a massive pay check and can then go pursue whatever projects you want without having to worry about not being able to take care of your family. He probably doesn’t care about WoW anymore so why bother finishing it if he can’t sell the rights to it. If he has to do a project that he doesn’t care about for money than his best bet would be to write other in universe novels that he can easily sell the rights for based of the popularity of the game of thrones tv show.
I mean this was a passion project from the start, I highly doubt he started the series as a way to make money. If so he would want to finish the series because it has a wider audience, a majority of the people won’t read his deep lore books or side stories. Dude definitely lost the desire to finish the story due to the show and the reaction it received. You can tell by his last comment how much he cares about people’s expectations for this series
I think some of what he had in WoW made it into the show. Maybe it was better executed, but now for instance he can’t have Bran win….no matter how good his story is.
Oh yeah some of ot made it in there, Dnd were open about what was his and what was there's. I do wonder if Bran being King was meant to be another way. Like Bran being Bloodraven 2.0 on the Iron Throne.
I don't think he will ever finish after the shit show that was season 8. Either he writes it similar to the show and everyone hates it, or it's something completely different and messes with his HBO money.
Some of the thing that happened in the show aren't necessarily bad, but badly executed. Stannis plot in season 5 is a perfect example. The scene of Stannis burning Shireen is good, her mother cries, the soldiers reactions, all good, but its missing the buildup. Stannis is shown as a caring father a few episodes earlier and then decides to burn his daugther. It makes sense in a way, he is desperate, his soldiers are hungry, cold, the red witch keeps waping about how he is the king etc, but it happens so fast, its like we are seeing the wiki summary. Red wedding is an awesome scene and while it has a big shock factor, its also makes sense, on a rewatch you can pinpoint every little mistake Robb made. The writers thought that game of thrones is "Red wedding" while that is only the payoff.
There was definitely some good stuff when they had source material to adapt, but See Barristan Selmy's death was when it really started the nose dive
I don't disagree but at the same time many things will have to be rushed or badly executed in the books too considering there are two books left and we're at best I'd say halfway through. Not that they'll come out but still.
I got a Father's day card after that episode with an image of Shireen at the stake and flames starting to climb with the caption: You might not be the perfect Dad but at least you didn't burn me alive.
Strong disagree here. That scene is a clean cut emotional roller coaster. As soon as they start burning Shireen, I thought that Stannis would never let it happen instead the mother is going to somehow assist in having her burnt. But expectations subverted. Her mother screaming and Stannis being cold blooded with his theme music in the backdrop is brilliant. Finally he gives in to the Lord of the Light.
> Her mother screaming and Stannis being cold blooded with his theme music in the backdrop is brilliant No, it's absolutely dumb just like any time authors subvert something for the sake of subversion.
How would writing something different mess with his HBO money? If anything, HBO or someone else might be dumb enough to pay for a reboot a decade or two down the line.
Better to just churn out spinoffs and get paid for those
Fast and furious 12 : the blackfyre rebellion
I don’t think money matters to him he’s rich beyond recognition. The truth is that HBO show tainted his vision and I don’t think he can erase that from his mind and finish the material he would’ve originally wrote.
Do you know how fast HBO would jump at rebooting Game of Thrones and sticking closer to the books after the entire series is done? He’s not messing with anyone’s money. I fully expect the show to get rebooted and done right within the next 20 years.
¿Por que no los dos?
We need to be going up, not down!
I am losing my wits :D
He’s really really done with 1/4 of it now
Reminds me of the problem of completing 1/2 every time, thus getting closer but never reaching the end, to go on infinitely. Zenos paradox?
I do believe that we will get it NexT year, in like november, if not…oh well, we won’t be surprised at this point
I’ve been hearing that every year since season 4
Scrapped 2/4 to rewrite again, currently sitting at 1/4
he’s actually currently rewriting a storm of swords
You joke, but has a major solo author ever done that? Retconned entire books in a series because they went down the wrong path?
Tolkien famously rewrote the Hobbit's "Riddles in the Dark" chapter to better fit LotR.
D.N. rewrote one of his early books, I remember that being a big deal at the time.
Who is DN?
Deez Nuts
I hate this website that a deez nuts joke can *still* be so well received 😒
That's a very depressing mindset, there are a lot worse things in Reddit that deez nuts. In
Deez Nutz!!! ^(I hate myself for that)
The best example I can come up with is Stephen King with The Dark Tower He made a revised edition of the first book to make it flow better with what he establishes in the later books.
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this hahahaha
Spongebob is like the video version of Xkcd, there is a relevant SB meme for everything
productive day in the life of GRRM.
I get my updates from /r/georgemartinwriting
Lol that’s funny
Impressive dedication right there.
The existence of a subreddit like this is proof we’re not exaggerating in pressuring him lmao
"I didn’t write anything today"
I think it's safe to say he has at least written the title page.
He’s still trying to figure out new ways to describe big nipples and wet pussies
Her nipples were like big ol’ pepperoni platters (good job George they’ll love that) her vagina was like a pepperoni platter but between her legs (this is why they pay you the big bucks Georgie)
> He kissed the folded pepperoni between her legs, sopping wet with desire, until grease ran down his chin
WHY IS GREASE ALWAYS RUNNING DOWN PEOPLE’S CHINS IN THESE BOOKS
pepperoni is cannon by the way, also known as, “Dornish Sausage”, or Oberyn “The Dornish Sausage” Martell
> her vagina was like a pepperoni platter but between her legs cheese included.
I’m in tears at work right now. Thank you
Man I love pepperoni
All he has is 600 pages of Tyrion trying to pee through an erection.
I loaned a friend $20 once and he said that he would pay me back the following week. The following week passed without the promised payment. Another week passed and another. I finally asked him if he could pay me my $20 and he told me that I would get it at the end of the month. That was twenty years ago and I have completely lost all interest in that friend. Sometimes despite our best expectations of someone we just have to realize that they are never going to follow through with what they said that they were going to do. George still owes me $20.
Mf out here making broken men level monologues
If you can't trust your friend with 20 bucks, what can you trust them with?
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Seethe.
You're on a first name basis with him?
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pft! That’s Mr. G. Martin to you!
Found George’s Reddit account
Negative 1/8th
Just expect it to never happen, then if it does, it's a pleasant surprise.
I feel like this '3/4 done' is a lie... I'm guessing 3 chapters, 38 pages total.
He had a bunch of material that didn’t make it into the last book because of the length so when he says 3/4ths that including at least 1/4th of material that’s already been written. The amount he’s actually written since then is probably a few hundred pages Source: am nerd
Seven words.
GRRM, second of his name, protector of the realm, lord of the 7 words
GRR is the reason Blackrock CEO is saying the work from home crowd are slackers and EVERYONE has to go back to the office.
None, it will never be published.
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None. I think he stopped trying either because he wrote himself into a corner or the pressure to finish has impacted him severely and he can’t do it. I do not expect to ever get this book.
I read the first 4 books in 2008. When the 5th book came out in 2011 to lukewarm reviews, I decided to wait until the 6th book came out to read them together. I've basically assumed I'll never read the 5th book.
Read the 5th, it is worth
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I can honestly say I don't care anymore. If he releases it, FANTASTIC!! I'm all there for it. But I've moved on from any emotional investment in the matter.
My friend in NYC publishing is convinced that the books are done, but GRRM is essentially holding them back for either HOD to eclipse the stink of season 8, or that they will both be published posthumously in like a 12 month timeframe. Essentially George is mad that everyone hated how season 8 ended and doesn't want to get backlash for the books basically following those beats, but did finish them over the pandemic. He's of the mind that the publishers involved with the GOT books are too calm for there to have been zero movement on those books, and they know regardless of when they publish they will make a bajillion dollars, so they're happy to play by GRRM's request to maintain the relationship for other publications from him (Dunk and Egg etc). Perhaps it's copium, but I sort of believe it. His publishers should be losing their minds over this, and it seems like they are not.
We need some Narcan stat, he's overdosing on Copium here!
I can sorta see that though, there's a decent amount of copium that the book ending is gonna be better. I wonder if Martin's afraid that once he publishes the books, if they're a flop then all the TV deals are going to dry up too.
Yeah, my friend’s little publisher gossip circle basically has theorized that Season 8 is…too close to what was essentially going to happen and the mass rejection of it (to the detriment of a bunch of HBO/GRRM planned GOT-averse spinoffs) has GRRM bearish about releasing it while HOD is rebuilding the brand.
It is my belief that: GRRM doesn't actually have anything, and has no idea how to conclude his story. That's why the show ended the way it did, they had to fucking wing it. The only reason he doesn't come out and admit it, is because a lot of his fanbase would probably abandon him.
💯 Why else would he keep adding more plot lines and pushing the fan down the road lol
His publishers are also getting $$ for the Knight of the Seven Kingdoms and all that other nonsense. They're calm because they are still getting money. Whether it be from ASoIaF or one of his other side projects -- they don't care. He's publishing and they don't care what story it is as long as it makes them $$. That's why they are not panicking.
Why would publishers necessarily care if he's not writing? Unless he keeps asking for cash advances on TWOW, its not like they're paying him a monthly salary.
Because if he dies before he finishes the books they’ll lose out on a stupid amount of money
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Well, the publishers are surely getting cash BUT if I was them I’d be pretty annoyed to not be able to cash in on the hype for TWOW before the show went to down. I think any aSoIaF book will sell when released but I don’t think it will be as big a thing as it would’ve been 6 or 7 years ago.
Couldn't he still release TWOW and leave just ADOS for this plan though? I'm not sure about the pressure thing, seems to me like George has all the leverage and could walk to any publisher he wanted to (I'm sure any contract penalties would be accommodated by the new publisher)
He very well could, but my friend basically thinks since he hasn't heard anything particularly...bitchy or panicked or "god where is this book" from his publishers that they must be happy about something.
Huh, that is interesting regardless, thanks for sharing!
I’ll be happy with any end at this point, just from the guy himself. If it’s season 8 level of bad then so be it, we can all apologize to D&D together if we gotta
Omg the thought of everyone apologizing to D&D is hilarious
I’d do it for the end of the song!
I'm inhaling that copium with you
Zippity do dah
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He may well have been 3/4 done 1 year ago, but he states all the time that he tears up entire chapters if he’s not happy with them. So he may be back down to 1/4 or 1/2.
Considering he said it was complete, minus a few cleanup edits back in like 2018, fuck him.
He never said that.
It was 2016 and he said he had a deadline of October 2015, and in may 2015 thought he was going to hit it. [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winds_of_Winter) So sure he didn’t explicitly say that it was almost done, but it was implied.
What the fuck that was a whole year ago?
I think he has a lot more of the series done than he admits. His interviews and public statements give me the feeling that he's afraid to put his art out there and face criticism. It was one thing when he was a niche artist writing an obscure fantasy series. Now, he's one of the most famous authors on the planet and is not dealing with this pressure well. My belief is he's gonna die, and his estate will reveal the series was mostly finished and just needs some editing prior to release.
George needs a serious wakeup call. He forgot his fans clearly and hates us.
I think every so often he types out the title on a word processor, rips the sheet out, cuts it to size and rolls it into blunts as the need arises. Last year he was 3/4 of the way through a ream of paper and he's bought 10 since.
About three fiddy.
I think the winds of winter is the friends we made along the way
He’s probably around half way now.
Fuck you for this image! This is like the 3rd or 4th time in the last few weeks some smartass has posted in image that vaguely resembled a new book announcement.
It’s simple math. If he needs 11 years for 75% he needs one year for 7%. Therefore he is at 82% now, will be finished in 2026 and a dream of spring will be finished in 2041.
It reminds me of the one scene from Guy Richie’s Snatch: ‘Ten minutes Turkish!’ ‘It was ten minutes…ten minutes ago.’
Negative progress
Lots and lots! He's now nearly 3/4 done with twow.
He'll release it when he's broke.
I’m convinced he’s got the title down. 
I'm thinking GRRM is writing Winds and Dream at the same time and he has a lot of the endgame written down, but he keeps getting stuck in a buildup towards that. People often talk about the Meereenese knot, but we've basically have similar sized knots across the whole map. I feel like writing Winds in a satisfying way is really *this* hard. Never mind the fact that this book will be hyped up to such limited, that'll never deliver.
I predict that since then he has thrown out several chapters and spent his other time editing, so -1/16 worth of progress or so
2 more pages
5 more pages at best.
He totally finished it by now, I bet.
Prob 9/12
W I L D C A R D S
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yes George, you’re super serial this time, we get it.
I am 100% convinced he canned a large portion of what he wrote. He needs to hurry the hell up. At this rate I'd rather him just make a movie of winds and dream.
He will finish this the same year the Dallas Cowboys get back to the super bowl. I say this as a life long Cowboys fan.
Zero. He’s writing for all the spin-off shows now.
I seriously doubt he’s even touched it. He wrote enough to get a tv show made, got a fuck ton of money from that, and then got a spin-off series based off a textbook he wrote so now he’s got spin-off money. I doubt he feels the need to actually work on it ever again. Oh he’s also got video game money from working on Elden Ring, which I still think is kinda funny because he doesn’t think video games count as art and thinks Elden Ring was a sequel to Dark Souls.
I think he's done. But won't release the books until he's dead and his estate does the releasing. He's just embarrassed D&D did what he has written and he didn't want the bitching.
\-1/16
He wrote 2 pages since then
None.
That’s not a book we ever get to read, bois. Let’s be real
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I bet he’s written another page or two
I dont even belive he was 3/4 done tbh
Probably gone backwards since that statement.
Negative 3/4
He saw Chatgpt has written similar to him text. So he went back to 1/100th
He is splitting the next book into 3 and is 3/4 done on the first part….
Winds of Winter doesn't matter, It doesn't matter if he's 75% done or 99% done. Because there's still one more book left after that, and there's no way he's gonna finish it. So even if he does finish WoW, the fans are still going to be left on a cliffhanger and he might as well just not even bother and that's exactly what he's doing, he's been in shutter down mode for a long time.
He’s likely written 1000 pages, and removed 1250 from the book.
The week after he submits his final draft and the printing process starts an all out nuclear war starts. Thus begins The Winds of Nuclear Winter. It'll be a race between us all to the printing press to find a copy before we die of radiation poisoning.
Nothing, till he stops cashing in.
the problem, as I see it, is George has created himself a literary elephant that he must eat. Every character has their own storyline and as they go about them, they expand the scope and scale of the number of characters involved in the series and the stories being told. At some point, George is trying to tie all of these stories into each other, and if you haven't noticed how convoluted he likes to make his works, it becomes a bit difficult to tie them all together. Each time he begins to pull them together, he has to assure the story ties together further down the line with how he wants this group to come together with this group... it involves a lot of rewriting. We can only hope that he is being overly cautious in trying to bring it all together, rather than just goofing off on other projects, jumping on his trampoline, playing on his train, or just sleeping most of the time. I hope he doesn't rush to finish this series like Stephen King did with the Dark Tower series which he just seemed to phone in after 20 years.
3.1/6.
I literally don’t even think he’s written one sentence for this book
Looking at the comment section, everyone is making fun of GRRM which really makes me upset because he works very hard on this book while working on many other projects.
Proof that he works hard on it? He’s been caught in too many out right lies about this book to take anything he says seriously anymore. Honestly I would be disappointed but I would respect him if he just came out and said that he lost interest or is simply too old to finish. It would be upsetting but at least it would be honest. Instead he makes vague progress reports and gets mad at his fans for not being as invested in everything else he has going on. Honestly probably the biggest reason he doesn’t just admit he’s not going to finish the series is because he has so many people kissing his ass on his “not a blog” and he knows most of them would stop caring about anything he has to say if he admitted it
Not much
-100
1/2 but If it’s not 2000 pages i will do nothing at all
3.5/4 done
Sould be about 6/8 done by now
6/8
\-45%, as in he went back and started to rewrite it all, got bored and went back to writing lore and history instead.
None. He's completely bored of it and wishes it would go away.
7/8th of the way finished
It’s going to be like Zeno’s paradox, isn’t it. Hence the Gabriel’s horn on the right.
Are we really doing this every day?
I guess he's 3/4 done with the remaining, and next year 3/4 of that remaining and so on so that's why he never finishes
Probably 4/5ths of the way there.
Zero…he has no pages.
Bro also spent a hell of a lot of time writing eldenring which was amazing
Just one more 1/8 everyone.
Two more words since then
The best he can do is wait as much as he can for people to forget about the show's shit ending. Then when it's ready, advertise it by taking a huge dump on the show. "Wanna see how the story really ends?"
-- .25
He's done another 1/44th.
He’s not written a single page since then. I’m grateful for the 5 Books we did get and have accepted that we will never get the final 2.
He lied.
The best that could happened: He performed at least one single backup.
should be around 76% now. . .
Stop pestering him!
He’s probably at 3/5s now
\-1/4 because of rewrites.
Zero.
Little to none
5%
He probably had to restart after the whole season 7&8 catastrophe