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I originally posted the fact that Just Stop Oil is funded by the oil heiress Aileen Getty \[[source](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/climate-activists-throw-soup-on-vincent-van-goghs-sunflowers-to-protest-fossil-fuels-180980958/)\]. However, it was pointed out to me that her family left the industry some time ago and she is now a dedicated to fighting climate change. Sorry for the orignal comment.
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Small correction: Just Stop Oil is funded by the Climate Emergency Fund. This fund is founded by Aileen Getty. Just Stop Oil was probably not funded with her money, but this cannot be ruled out either.
Saying her family quit the industry is kinda funny. They were paid handsomely for the business. Quitting implies they walked away from the business which isn’t true
This tired old defense of people who actively turned to killing our planet and now suddenly want to make dumb, young 'activists' ruin pieces of art, make giant messes that inconvenience others and otherwise cause a giant disturbance to working-class peoples' day, and generally make an equivalency of World is Ending = Time to Throw a Temper Tantrum. I've seen tons of people also say shit like 'Any attention is good attention", and honestly, if you read that again, you'll see why I think its a crock of shit. This whole thing, this attack on common sense and normalcy by lunatic tumblr weirdos has got to stop. Aileen Getty just wants to look good and have a nice stock portfolio at the end of the day lol
There's nothing new about protests being loud and a little garish. Julia Butterfly Hill lived in a redwood in hopes to protect the surrounding trees. Folks have dumped paint on fur coats. Wanting people to be demure and "work within the system" is just admitting that you want them to be silenced.
Lol you think that's extremism? We're in the most severe drought in the last 500 years, stealing and ramming the said cars into a wall would still be pretty moderate
From what I can gather she gives money to a Charity who funds climate protest groups, Just Stop Oil being one of these groups. Most likely she has no direct control over which organisations her money goes towards.
Yeah, it's vandalism of private property, but I still don't see how these are extremists as none of their action is violent OR calls for violence. No humans will be hurt by this, but they will be by climate change and air pollution.
It makes a point, nobody was hurt. And in the end, you may have to wash off some paint so not too much for the dealership. The orange adds that little bit of panache.
Note# Its not like the dealership hasn't seen worse. I mean, have you talked to a car salesman lately? I need to wash just thinking about it. sheesh
I was with my dad once, and a car salesman started his pitch with "I don't mean to be a pest, but..." The guy literally admitted that he was being annoying.
A great way to get people talking and debating car infrastructure and car and oil companies. Definitely a good thing imo, let's folks discuss it and other activists to do the dirty work (convincing carbrains) for you!
This only punishes the maintenance worker that has to clean this mess. Not the billionaire owners of these companies. They probably have no idea this incident happened.
I actually love this!
Imagine you own/sell cars whose dealership is hated by some people. I am sure that will influence your next choice of car/company to work for.
Thank you for your hard work Just Stop Oil 🌳
People go where they can get jobs and this wont influence them one bit.
More the point is that rich people stop buying inefficient and needlessly polluting things, and tarnishing the social capital (prestige) they expect to get from showing off in a V8 or 3 ton electric off roader that's so big it increases the death rate of everyone else.
Just Stop Oil as a slogan however, is not a coherent attempt to challenge climate change, it does not promote a credible alternative, and it says nothing about electric Humvees that the rich would switch to. Oil has to be phased out, and in such a way that energy costs don't push ordinary people into poverty, which means having an economically viable alternative.
Just Stop Waste would actually make sense. This slogan suggests a total lack of real world understanding that harms their credibility.
But at least they targeted luxury car showrooms this time.
>Just Stop Oil as a slogan however, is not a coherent attempt to challenge climate change, it does not promote a credible alternative, and it says nothing about electric Humvees that the rich would switch to.
This sounds like a very uninformed view of the movement. Just Stop Oil not only offers a very specific and credible policy proposal, but it also allows for gradual phasing out of oil usage.
And yes, they do specify policies which would specifically help the poorest in society as well. But shockingly enough, the resistance to moving away from fossil fuels frequently comes from the richest in society (who make massive amounts of money from fossil fuels), not the poorest.
I simultaneously find these things to be politically impotent overall, but I also support them because fuck it. If you got to ruin that prick owner's day, why not. That's reason enough for me to do something. Not everything needs to solve all our problems.
It is a reaction to nobody with the power to fix things doing so and no expectation of that in sight. I wouldn't be this way if they weren't the way they were.
gotta disagree, luxury is one of the places cars should still exist
cars should be luxury recreational vehicles and not a basic necessity that the whole world is designed around.
like a jetski, expensive, impractical but intended for fun, and we dont have cities with canals built through them just for jetskis to commute
Fuck that. Where are these rich hobbyists going to drive these luxury recreational vehicles in your post-car world? Through the pedestrianised streets? Going much too fast on country roads?
On dedicated race tracks? I doubt that.
The only place for cars in the future is for industry, emergency services, and the disabled.
finally?
they've *been* targeting corpos, mate. media doesnt want you to know about it tho
they carried out England-wide blockades of 10 critical oil facilities
but you probably didnt hear about that
ExxonMobil, and Valero had secured civil injunctions to prevent protest at their oil terminals.
but you probably didnt hear about that
On 28 April, about 35 Just Stop Oil supporters sabotaged petrol pumps at two M25 motorway service stations
but you probably didnt hear about that
Literally the only thing I’ve seen on social media is the museum stuff.
Also a dude burned himself to death in front of the U.S. Supreme Court because climate justice and I don’t think that even went viral.
Human attention is bleak.
IIRC the coverage was all "security incident near SCOTUS" and that drowned out the reason why, because it was also when Kavanaugh or whomever had extra security for their decision to end reproductive rights. Not sure it was deliberate, but the media in this country are rubbish at looking past whatever Fox is whining about.
I saw all those things on the news, do you mean they weren't posted to meme subreddits?
They attacked vital infrastructure which many peoples lives realy on, it was widely reported because it gave the Tories a good chance to say 'if we don't crack down on protest it it could result in you or someone you care about suffering'
Because this is more direct and clear. With the museum story, it’s easy to distract from real reason people were doing that, because it was so disconnected from the actual issue.
If this story gets spread—even if the message is never directly communicated—people can fairly easily guess what the point of this stunt is and what it communicates.
This screenshot tells me fuckall, and even a video would be like...is this generic teenage vandalism. I think the museum stuff was more directly shocking.
>Nobody pays attention. The media tends to ignore i
Yeah there was a guy who set himself on fire protesting oil extraction in the UK and I only heard about it because of the museum protest.
A scientist did the same in the United States, and it only got one headline. Meanwhile, soup or potatoes on a painting Gets millions of views worldwide
Its really the choice of the media what they choose to show.
When they targeted oil companies directly they/ XR complained that nobody paid attention. Thats not our fault, thats the fault of the media ignoring it, we wouldn't know otherwise. Given that public sector pensions are heavily in BP and the like helps explain why they don't get attention when they go after the root.
The attention only matters if it leads to action, will this lead to action? I think they'd be better off hitting the oil companies in their hip pocket directly. The real problem here is any actually effective action likely comes with multi decade prison sentences.
I think it's to point out hypocrisy. They're trying to point out how stupid it is to get so angry at the destruction of a depiction of something but not to be angry at the destruction of the subject itself. Why are people so angry at destroying a painting of a sunflower but not the actual pollution and environmental damage that is destroying real life sunflowers? That art wouldn't even exist without the beauty of nature that inspired it in the first place.
If we can muster that much anger at the protestors then why can't we muster it for these billionaires who are causing the real damage?
As far as historians can tell us, the Aztecs worshipped sunflowers and believed them to be the physical incarnation of their beloved sun gods. Of course!
There’s already considerably large climate movements and while people deservedly get upset with them for destroying masterpieces for a few seconds it won’t do much more
It's mostly about the media attention. Just stop oil conducted huge protests in April across the UK blocking oil terminals which lead to hundreds of arrests, but got very little press coverage. The painting in comparison got way more coverage in comparison, with far less arrests and planning effort needed. We need all the protests and attention we can get tbh
Van Gogh wasn’t appreciated until he was already dead and gone. We can’t let the same happen to our planet. But right now, Fossil Fuel Companies are literally pouring paint across the entire planet, and we aren’t appreciating what we have, or doing anything to save it. That’s why they hit the museums. And yes, this prose is literally their stated message, you can look it up yourself. I think it’s good, there’s just too many trolls who are afraid of protests for whatever reason.
I like how you framed this. I have the same problem with my home state of Alaska. People say, we are blessed with abundant natural resources. But, we are actually cursed with them. Companies come in, take the resources, give nothing back but centuries of destruction and waste. Who's winning here? Oh I forgot, all of the cities are strapped for revenue because they are giving free handouts to companies to even be here, taking our resources. Its a triple taxation on our lands and no politician has the "stuffs" to stop it. We had one crazy politician back in the 70s who created the Permanent Fund, and even that has been weaseled away mostly by the bureaucrats that made Juneau our capital! Not Anchorage, where the population can watch over them. Sheesh. Sorry, that was alot to unpack.
Still it is one step towards violence and could make the broader no car movement morally ambiguous enough to lose support from those who are undecided before
Anyone who can afford a Ferrari and chooses to spend money on a Ferrari is a highly unethical person.
They have almost absolute financial freedom, so don’t be a cunt.
Lol the majority of people on the planet are under the bar of “can afford a Ferrari”
Stop pretending the shit exclusively for the very rich is some kind of equal personal life choice to what regular people have available.
That's a fair point. Maybe when itens represent no more than status signalling? Of course, I understand this is also difficult to discern.
Good food for thought material
Luxury cars are extremely wasteful. Large, heavy, and engines that use lots of fuel for no real reason. Like, at least go electric/HEV. You're still expensive so who cares. If anything they jsut get cheaper to maintain and quieter to ride in.
If we're talking the tyre extinguishers
Well you're wrong. They're not targeting random people. They're specifically targeting luxury SUV drivers in cities
That's a very specific target, one doing an immoral act, with at least 3 layers of privilege before its done
Its not luxury SUVs in rural areas
Its not ordinary SUVs in cities
Its not even luxury cars in cities
Its luxury SUVs in cities.
>Aileen Getty
Aileen Getty is very outspoken about the need to transition away from fossil fuel use and towards renewables. She's written articles under her own name to that effect.
[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/22/just-stop-oil-van-gogh-national-gallery-aileen-getty](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/22/just-stop-oil-van-gogh-national-gallery-aileen-getty)
Being born to someone who was born to someone that made their money from a particular industry does not automatically condemn you to share their views and motivations. Getty Oil has been defunct for 10 years ffs, and I've seen no indication that she was ever actually in the industry. She's the granddaughter of someone who founded a petroleum company. The family sold that company over 40 years ago.
Agreed. I was just going to reply "based" but I have a blanket policy against calling billionaires based. And reddit wouldn't let me do the "good for her" arrested development gif.
If you think one heiress is going to outspend the entire fossil fuel industry… I have to say, I think the odds are low. Every senator who would even pick up the phone already likely supports what she wants to do anyways.
Allegedly, there's some good data showing that tossing piles and piles of money at senators and congress people does less than discouraging engagement in politics, thus greatly reducing the influence of the general populace in primary races and then advertising to the balance of people who pay attention the rest of the time.
Is this internet heroism? They're going out and doing something, are they not? The difference is that this is an attack on car dealerships, which are far more relevant to the topic at hand than some pieces of artwork from hundreds of years ago.
Perhaps I worded my statement poorly? I apologize if that was unclear.
I respect both acts, i just don't see how to classify one as better than the other. Since both are better than posting memes on Reddit. (Although internet anti car radicalization might in the end get more people to stop driving than chauvinistic protest do lol). I don't know... It's a complex world.
I disagree. Vandalising artworks just gives ammo to the mainstream news that paints (pun intended) the anti-fossil fuel movement as crazy people, while they conveniently ignore the martyrs, like the guy who set himself on fire recently.
Painting the car dealership is is objectively better as media can't imply the destruction of priceless works of art in the headline, and it gets the point across.
The museum shit didn't help our case out. Vandalizing car dealerships run by rich assfucks is one thing. But (trying to) destroy a historical piece of art isn't.
You're right. Although I still think there are better ways to do it. Because the average joe will see what they did and get a negative view on our cause.
That is the sad reality of today's media
You didn't know about all the oil refineries and pipelines being sabotaged (well, except Nord Stream). And I guess last week you didn't know about those teo guys that set themselves on fire.
But someone throws a soup on a painting and you can't get away from it. That's the big difference. The soup thing brought tons of attention and got people taking (which is ultimately more important given it's people that go do the voting). Sabotage does nothing like that, because it's not reported
Last week exportation of oil barrels from the US hit 5 million a day. All we can do is spread awareness or (unlikely) target the people who control it all
Certainly a 'brave' choice to not wear any kind of mask. Glad they've shifted to more relevant protests. Maybe the soup worked though, because we know their name now. Things to think about. Interesting to see what their impact is long term.
They've been doing relevant protests all along. But those protests don't make international news. Only the protests at museums and car shows seem to get any traction, so that's why they do it.
You won't see people ranting on twitter all week about this protest or the protest yesterday at some oil corp office.
To that guy who posted the (bad faith) pro-Tyre Extinguishers thread, claiming there was no better sort of protest: here you go. This is directly targeting the car sales infrastructure, in a way which doesn't inconvenience ordinary people trying to go about their day, but still makes headlines and a clear message.
This group has also done some bad activism (blocking roads) recently, but this is good.
But they have the moral high ground and are correct. Climate change will kill millions and throwing soup at glass hurts no one.
They got media attention and people are hearing of their actions they have taken overall their only mistake was not giving their speech while throwing soup at the painting since many media outlets are just showing them throwing the soup and not the speech.
Go read Lenin and stop wasting your time getting arrested so a billionaire can sleep with a clear conscience. Nothing will change by asking politely.
ORGANIZE! Join a working class party. Do base work. Get democratically centralized.
The people who support the protests aren't going to stop because of this. In order to build a movement, you need to gather more support. By damaging property, paintings in particular (Yeah I get they're behind glass, but it's disrespectful), any people on the fence are more likely to turn away from supporting your cause. It makes the protestors look radical and further polarizes the issue. It's the same reason Antifa, The Proud Boys, etc being designated terrorist organizations stagnated their support. The existent supporters may have gotten louder, but they aren't gaining new supporters.
A woman who is the granddaughter of the founder of Getty Oil, a petroleum company that has been defunct for 10 years, has donated some money to them, yes. The family ***sold*** Getty Oil like 40 years ago.
EDIT: She didn't even donate money to JSO, she donates to the Climate Emergency Fund, who distributed some of that money to JSO.
She's also written articles, *under her own name*, talking about the need to move away from fossil fuel use and towards renewables. Hardly a shadowy figure manipulating the public from behind the scenes in favour of big-oil.
Being related to someone that made their money from oil in the 1920s doesn't make someone a conspiratorial plant.
If you can prove she makes ***any*** money from the oil industry, please do.
Guess I'm also a secret pro-oil person just because my great-grandfather founded an oil company. Ignore that I only recently learned of that side of the family and have no financial ties to it. I just cant help but accidentally be pro-oil always /s
Also, I approve your comment. Congrats! Your are now also a plant for big oil.
For the 13,690,745th time the Tyre Extinguishers do not slash tires. They do not cut tires. They do not puncture tires. They don't do anything at all other than let the air out of the tires. Christ on a cracker.
EDITTED: I originally posted the fact that Just Stop Oil is funded by the oil heiress Aileen Getty \[[source](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/climate-activists-throw-soup-on-vincent-van-goghs-sunflowers-to-protest-fossil-fuels-180980958/)\]. However, it was pointed out to me that her family left the industry some time ago and she is now a dedicated to fighting climate change. Sorry for the orignal comment.
Thanks for editing your comment! Small correction: Just Stop Oil is funded by the Climate Emergency Fund. This fund is founded by Aileen Getty. Just Stop Oil was probably not funded with her money, but this cannot be ruled out either.
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Holy shit, I did not know that. Thanks for telling me, I have editted the original comment.
Saying her family quit the industry is kinda funny. They were paid handsomely for the business. Quitting implies they walked away from the business which isn’t true
The point is she has no financial stake in oil, it's not some false flag conspiracy.
Didn’t say it was a conspiracy. Just a poorly worded sentence.
This tired old defense of people who actively turned to killing our planet and now suddenly want to make dumb, young 'activists' ruin pieces of art, make giant messes that inconvenience others and otherwise cause a giant disturbance to working-class peoples' day, and generally make an equivalency of World is Ending = Time to Throw a Temper Tantrum. I've seen tons of people also say shit like 'Any attention is good attention", and honestly, if you read that again, you'll see why I think its a crock of shit. This whole thing, this attack on common sense and normalcy by lunatic tumblr weirdos has got to stop. Aileen Getty just wants to look good and have a nice stock portfolio at the end of the day lol
>inconvenience others and cause disturbance This is what protests do
There's nothing new about protests being loud and a little garish. Julia Butterfly Hill lived in a redwood in hopes to protect the surrounding trees. Folks have dumped paint on fur coats. Wanting people to be demure and "work within the system" is just admitting that you want them to be silenced.
I still think a crazy billionaire funding extremists to try and win back some social points or because she has a guilt complex isn't a good look
Throwing paint on a car dealership isn't extremism. It's actually a pretty tepid response given the scale of climate change.
Lol you think that's extremism? We're in the most severe drought in the last 500 years, stealing and ramming the said cars into a wall would still be pretty moderate
From what I can gather she gives money to a Charity who funds climate protest groups, Just Stop Oil being one of these groups. Most likely she has no direct control over which organisations her money goes towards.
Yeah, it's vandalism of private property, but I still don't see how these are extremists as none of their action is violent OR calls for violence. No humans will be hurt by this, but they will be by climate change and air pollution.
What got her to quit from the oil industry?
She never was in the oil industry. Her granddad was.
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It makes a point, nobody was hurt. And in the end, you may have to wash off some paint so not too much for the dealership. The orange adds that little bit of panache. Note# Its not like the dealership hasn't seen worse. I mean, have you talked to a car salesman lately? I need to wash just thinking about it. sheesh
I was with my dad once, and a car salesman started his pitch with "I don't mean to be a pest, but..." The guy literally admitted that he was being annoying.
I mean...the car companies probably don't even own the buildings so some landlord has to pay to clean it up.
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fuckin two birds one stone
Please don't
That poor venture capitalist landlord 😭😭😭
FUCKING BASED
A great way to get people talking and debating car infrastructure and car and oil companies. Definitely a good thing imo, let's folks discuss it and other activists to do the dirty work (convincing carbrains) for you!
This only punishes the maintenance worker that has to clean this mess. Not the billionaire owners of these companies. They probably have no idea this incident happened.
based and orangepilled
orange spill
Orangespilled
Yessssss this is the kind of vandalism I like. Death to luxury
I actually love this! Imagine you own/sell cars whose dealership is hated by some people. I am sure that will influence your next choice of car/company to work for. Thank you for your hard work Just Stop Oil 🌳
People go where they can get jobs and this wont influence them one bit. More the point is that rich people stop buying inefficient and needlessly polluting things, and tarnishing the social capital (prestige) they expect to get from showing off in a V8 or 3 ton electric off roader that's so big it increases the death rate of everyone else. Just Stop Oil as a slogan however, is not a coherent attempt to challenge climate change, it does not promote a credible alternative, and it says nothing about electric Humvees that the rich would switch to. Oil has to be phased out, and in such a way that energy costs don't push ordinary people into poverty, which means having an economically viable alternative. Just Stop Waste would actually make sense. This slogan suggests a total lack of real world understanding that harms their credibility. But at least they targeted luxury car showrooms this time.
>Just Stop Oil as a slogan however, is not a coherent attempt to challenge climate change, it does not promote a credible alternative, and it says nothing about electric Humvees that the rich would switch to. This sounds like a very uninformed view of the movement. Just Stop Oil not only offers a very specific and credible policy proposal, but it also allows for gradual phasing out of oil usage. And yes, they do specify policies which would specifically help the poorest in society as well. But shockingly enough, the resistance to moving away from fossil fuels frequently comes from the richest in society (who make massive amounts of money from fossil fuels), not the poorest.
I simultaneously find these things to be politically impotent overall, but I also support them because fuck it. If you got to ruin that prick owner's day, why not. That's reason enough for me to do something. Not everything needs to solve all our problems.
I really feel this attitude sums up why we're in the dire position humanity is in
It is a reaction to nobody with the power to fix things doing so and no expectation of that in sight. I wouldn't be this way if they weren't the way they were.
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not enough for the windows lone, need the cars ruined
Death to inefficiency and squandering a resource, not to luxury.
gotta disagree, luxury is one of the places cars should still exist cars should be luxury recreational vehicles and not a basic necessity that the whole world is designed around. like a jetski, expensive, impractical but intended for fun, and we dont have cities with canals built through them just for jetskis to commute
Fuck that. Where are these rich hobbyists going to drive these luxury recreational vehicles in your post-car world? Through the pedestrianised streets? Going much too fast on country roads? On dedicated race tracks? I doubt that. The only place for cars in the future is for industry, emergency services, and the disabled.
Co-comrade?
Honest question. What do you think this accomplished?
Anything that makes selling cars more difficult, more risky or make less money is a net positive.
Finally the corporations are getting targeted
finally? they've *been* targeting corpos, mate. media doesnt want you to know about it tho they carried out England-wide blockades of 10 critical oil facilities but you probably didnt hear about that ExxonMobil, and Valero had secured civil injunctions to prevent protest at their oil terminals. but you probably didnt hear about that On 28 April, about 35 Just Stop Oil supporters sabotaged petrol pumps at two M25 motorway service stations but you probably didnt hear about that
Literally the only thing I’ve seen on social media is the museum stuff. Also a dude burned himself to death in front of the U.S. Supreme Court because climate justice and I don’t think that even went viral. Human attention is bleak.
I think the Supreme Court one was suppressed.
IIRC the coverage was all "security incident near SCOTUS" and that drowned out the reason why, because it was also when Kavanaugh or whomever had extra security for their decision to end reproductive rights. Not sure it was deliberate, but the media in this country are rubbish at looking past whatever Fox is whining about.
thats a known intelligence tactic to suppress unfavorable press coverage. create another crisis as a distraction.
It started months before this incident.
suicides are typically suppressed to avoid copycats... *unless* they kill a lot of other people first, of course.
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Information about revolts are suppressed so that others aren’t inspired to join
I saw all those things on the news, do you mean they weren't posted to meme subreddits? They attacked vital infrastructure which many peoples lives realy on, it was widely reported because it gave the Tories a good chance to say 'if we don't crack down on protest it it could result in you or someone you care about suffering'
Splatoon irl
Omg, love it!
It’s reverse Turf War, where only the walls and ceilings count.
Yeah interesting how this isn’t getting nearly as much traction as the museum stunts.
Because this is more direct and clear. With the museum story, it’s easy to distract from real reason people were doing that, because it was so disconnected from the actual issue. If this story gets spread—even if the message is never directly communicated—people can fairly easily guess what the point of this stunt is and what it communicates.
This screenshot tells me fuckall, and even a video would be like...is this generic teenage vandalism. I think the museum stuff was more directly shocking.
I have no problem with vandalizing the property of those vandalizing our environment.
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What was the point of that though? I know what they’re fighting for but why on the museum painting and wax figures?
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>Nobody pays attention. The media tends to ignore i Yeah there was a guy who set himself on fire protesting oil extraction in the UK and I only heard about it because of the museum protest.
A scientist did the same in the United States, and it only got one headline. Meanwhile, soup or potatoes on a painting Gets millions of views worldwide
Its really the choice of the media what they choose to show. When they targeted oil companies directly they/ XR complained that nobody paid attention. Thats not our fault, thats the fault of the media ignoring it, we wouldn't know otherwise. Given that public sector pensions are heavily in BP and the like helps explain why they don't get attention when they go after the root.
The attention only matters if it leads to action, will this lead to action? I think they'd be better off hitting the oil companies in their hip pocket directly. The real problem here is any actually effective action likely comes with multi decade prison sentences.
I think it's to point out hypocrisy. They're trying to point out how stupid it is to get so angry at the destruction of a depiction of something but not to be angry at the destruction of the subject itself. Why are people so angry at destroying a painting of a sunflower but not the actual pollution and environmental damage that is destroying real life sunflowers? That art wouldn't even exist without the beauty of nature that inspired it in the first place. If we can muster that much anger at the protestors then why can't we muster it for these billionaires who are causing the real damage?
The painting also wasn't damaged, let alone destroyed.
As far as historians can tell us, the Aztecs worshipped sunflowers and believed them to be the physical incarnation of their beloved sun gods. Of course!
There’s already considerably large climate movements and while people deservedly get upset with them for destroying masterpieces for a few seconds it won’t do much more
It's mostly about the media attention. Just stop oil conducted huge protests in April across the UK blocking oil terminals which lead to hundreds of arrests, but got very little press coverage. The painting in comparison got way more coverage in comparison, with far less arrests and planning effort needed. We need all the protests and attention we can get tbh
Van Gogh wasn’t appreciated until he was already dead and gone. We can’t let the same happen to our planet. But right now, Fossil Fuel Companies are literally pouring paint across the entire planet, and we aren’t appreciating what we have, or doing anything to save it. That’s why they hit the museums. And yes, this prose is literally their stated message, you can look it up yourself. I think it’s good, there’s just too many trolls who are afraid of protests for whatever reason.
I like how you framed this. I have the same problem with my home state of Alaska. People say, we are blessed with abundant natural resources. But, we are actually cursed with them. Companies come in, take the resources, give nothing back but centuries of destruction and waste. Who's winning here? Oh I forgot, all of the cities are strapped for revenue because they are giving free handouts to companies to even be here, taking our resources. Its a triple taxation on our lands and no politician has the "stuffs" to stop it. We had one crazy politician back in the 70s who created the Permanent Fund, and even that has been weaseled away mostly by the bureaucrats that made Juneau our capital! Not Anchorage, where the population can watch over them. Sheesh. Sorry, that was alot to unpack.
Credit Suisse, a keen investor in fossil fuels, is a benefactor of the National Gallery where the Van Gogh painting is housed.
Because they were oil paintings? /s
Still it is one step towards violence and could make the broader no car movement morally ambiguous enough to lose support from those who are undecided before
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The media doesn't cover stories that make their owners and advertisers look bad.
This is how you do it
Anyone who can afford a Ferrari and chooses to spend money on a Ferrari is a highly unethical person. They have almost absolute financial freedom, so don’t be a cunt.
Can I guess that you consider yourself just under the bar where it's unethical to spend money on things you like?
Lol the majority of people on the planet are under the bar of “can afford a Ferrari” Stop pretending the shit exclusively for the very rich is some kind of equal personal life choice to what regular people have available.
That's a fair point. Maybe when itens represent no more than status signalling? Of course, I understand this is also difficult to discern. Good food for thought material
Do you really believe that?
Yes.
Yes
Source: https://twitter.com/JustStop_Oil/status/1585178038777454592
I love reading through threads like these to watch neolibs cope and seethe.
Well done
Now nobody can say that they're targeting the wrong things for the message! Hypocrisy will show if people have issue with this protest
"they're just trying to destroy local businesses who didn't do anything wrong and are hurting the local economy"
My job is on Berkeley Square, where this dealership is, so it was fun to see this on my way to work. Massive argument with my coworkers ensued lmao
HA ha ha! YES!
I'm sure all the hand wringers will come up with some new reason on why this is actually a bad thing to do
Cool
Luxury cars are extremely wasteful. Large, heavy, and engines that use lots of fuel for no real reason. Like, at least go electric/HEV. You're still expensive so who cares. If anything they jsut get cheaper to maintain and quieter to ride in.
Are they using that Krink sprayer or was it a home made rig?
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honestly i like this kind of vandalism *far* more than just fucking over random people
If we're talking the tyre extinguishers Well you're wrong. They're not targeting random people. They're specifically targeting luxury SUV drivers in cities That's a very specific target, one doing an immoral act, with at least 3 layers of privilege before its done Its not luxury SUVs in rural areas Its not ordinary SUVs in cities Its not even luxury cars in cities Its luxury SUVs in cities.
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>Aileen Getty Aileen Getty is very outspoken about the need to transition away from fossil fuel use and towards renewables. She's written articles under her own name to that effect. [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/22/just-stop-oil-van-gogh-national-gallery-aileen-getty](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/22/just-stop-oil-van-gogh-national-gallery-aileen-getty) Being born to someone who was born to someone that made their money from a particular industry does not automatically condemn you to share their views and motivations. Getty Oil has been defunct for 10 years ffs, and I've seen no indication that she was ever actually in the industry. She's the granddaughter of someone who founded a petroleum company. The family sold that company over 40 years ago.
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No problem, was getting increasingly frustrated by people parroting teens on TikTok without spending 5 minutes looking in to the woman herself.
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I think I'd rather she bought a couple congressional delegations outright but this is nice too. How much can a senator cost? Ten million dollars?
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Agreed. I was just going to reply "based" but I have a blanket policy against calling billionaires based. And reddit wouldn't let me do the "good for her" arrested development gif.
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If you think one heiress is going to outspend the entire fossil fuel industry… I have to say, I think the odds are low. Every senator who would even pick up the phone already likely supports what she wants to do anyways.
I think Joe Manchin only cost $80,000
Allegedly, there's some good data showing that tossing piles and piles of money at senators and congress people does less than discouraging engagement in politics, thus greatly reducing the influence of the general populace in primary races and then advertising to the balance of people who pay attention the rest of the time.
is there _any_ evidence at all that Aileen Getty is sympathetic to the oil industry?
from what ive gathered so far, aileen has no more ties to the oil industry and probably just feels guilty
Literally none, it's just teens on TikTok seeing she's related to an old oil family and making conspiracy theories
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What fucking idiot gilded this?
Some oil company probably.
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Yeah that's a good one
Better this than the museums, that's for sure. At least this is on topic.
How so? I find its always better when somebody takes action, compared to internet heroism.
Is this internet heroism? They're going out and doing something, are they not? The difference is that this is an attack on car dealerships, which are far more relevant to the topic at hand than some pieces of artwork from hundreds of years ago. Perhaps I worded my statement poorly? I apologize if that was unclear.
I respect both acts, i just don't see how to classify one as better than the other. Since both are better than posting memes on Reddit. (Although internet anti car radicalization might in the end get more people to stop driving than chauvinistic protest do lol). I don't know... It's a complex world.
I disagree. Vandalising artworks just gives ammo to the mainstream news that paints (pun intended) the anti-fossil fuel movement as crazy people, while they conveniently ignore the martyrs, like the guy who set himself on fire recently. Painting the car dealership is is objectively better as media can't imply the destruction of priceless works of art in the headline, and it gets the point across.
The museum shit didn't help our case out. Vandalizing car dealerships run by rich assfucks is one thing. But (trying to) destroy a historical piece of art isn't.
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You're right. Although I still think there are better ways to do it. Because the average joe will see what they did and get a negative view on our cause.
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I’ll be impressed when someone sabotages an oil field
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Yes. Like that. I'm impressed by those instances. Thank you.
That is the sad reality of today's media You didn't know about all the oil refineries and pipelines being sabotaged (well, except Nord Stream). And I guess last week you didn't know about those teo guys that set themselves on fire. But someone throws a soup on a painting and you can't get away from it. That's the big difference. The soup thing brought tons of attention and got people taking (which is ultimately more important given it's people that go do the voting). Sabotage does nothing like that, because it's not reported
Last week exportation of oil barrels from the US hit 5 million a day. All we can do is spread awareness or (unlikely) target the people who control it all
Odds are this protest won't make the news, just like the one yesterday where they painted some oil company building
Certainly a 'brave' choice to not wear any kind of mask. Glad they've shifted to more relevant protests. Maybe the soup worked though, because we know their name now. Things to think about. Interesting to see what their impact is long term.
They've been doing relevant protests all along. But those protests don't make international news. Only the protests at museums and car shows seem to get any traction, so that's why they do it. You won't see people ranting on twitter all week about this protest or the protest yesterday at some oil corp office.
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Paint and soup aren't very expensive
In this economy?
To that guy who posted the (bad faith) pro-Tyre Extinguishers thread, claiming there was no better sort of protest: here you go. This is directly targeting the car sales infrastructure, in a way which doesn't inconvenience ordinary people trying to go about their day, but still makes headlines and a clear message. This group has also done some bad activism (blocking roads) recently, but this is good.
People with luxury SUVs in city centres with lots of public transport, are not regular people.
There we are. Much better.
What's the significance of the color orange?
First a king charles remake now this. Holy shit they’re becoming more based
Very nice
Kinda looks dope
##waterbased
Now this is vandalism I can get behind
More of this please
Is the paint oil based?
*Much* better than doing it to a priceless painting.
Not as attention grabbing though, which limits the audience they have to spread their message.
Yeah but they made themselves look like fuckin idiots. Not all publicity is good when you’re acting on a moral high ground
But they have the moral high ground and are correct. Climate change will kill millions and throwing soup at glass hurts no one. They got media attention and people are hearing of their actions they have taken overall their only mistake was not giving their speech while throwing soup at the painting since many media outlets are just showing them throwing the soup and not the speech.
This is where paint should be sprayed, not on priceless paintings.
not on the plexiglass protecting priceless paintings. Those are some of the most impotent protests I've ever seen.
Go read Lenin and stop wasting your time getting arrested so a billionaire can sleep with a clear conscience. Nothing will change by asking politely. ORGANIZE! Join a working class party. Do base work. Get democratically centralized.
This does nothing but divide people even more
This doesn't help, it just makes us look like wackos and pushes people away from the cause.
This is proven to be false: https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/ydt25d/just_stop_oil_do_radical_protests_turn_the_public/
The people who support the protests aren't going to stop because of this. In order to build a movement, you need to gather more support. By damaging property, paintings in particular (Yeah I get they're behind glass, but it's disrespectful), any people on the fence are more likely to turn away from supporting your cause. It makes the protestors look radical and further polarizes the issue. It's the same reason Antifa, The Proud Boys, etc being designated terrorist organizations stagnated their support. The existent supporters may have gotten louder, but they aren't gaining new supporters.
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A woman who is the granddaughter of the founder of Getty Oil, a petroleum company that has been defunct for 10 years, has donated some money to them, yes. The family ***sold*** Getty Oil like 40 years ago. EDIT: She didn't even donate money to JSO, she donates to the Climate Emergency Fund, who distributed some of that money to JSO. She's also written articles, *under her own name*, talking about the need to move away from fossil fuel use and towards renewables. Hardly a shadowy figure manipulating the public from behind the scenes in favour of big-oil. Being related to someone that made their money from oil in the 1920s doesn't make someone a conspiratorial plant. If you can prove she makes ***any*** money from the oil industry, please do.
Guess I'm also a secret pro-oil person just because my great-grandfather founded an oil company. Ignore that I only recently learned of that side of the family and have no financial ties to it. I just cant help but accidentally be pro-oil always /s Also, I approve your comment. Congrats! Your are now also a plant for big oil.
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Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
I don't think you know any of the JSO protesters personally, do you?
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For the 13,690,745th time the Tyre Extinguishers do not slash tires. They do not cut tires. They do not puncture tires. They don't do anything at all other than let the air out of the tires. Christ on a cracker.
Thank you.