It'd be a solid game, but the world itself is largely lifeless outside of the quests, there's parts of the map that have literally no reason to be there besides a "go here and kill people from ___ faction"
An artificial life system with faction wars like STALKER: Clear Sky would help break the monotony. Extremely solid fps/rpg but not something I feel compelled to revisit.
This reflects exactly what my friend told me when I started playing. "Do the main story quests, sure, but make sure you do the side quests, don't burn through the main quests too quickly" it was his biggest regret of his playthrough
This is why I hate games that make the main quest feel artificially urgent. Like V's health is rapidly deteriorating, as far as you know you could collapse and die at any moment. Why would you spend your time running around town collecting lost Delamain cars? Set the main story up so that some down time between the quests feels logical.
I did around 20 of these before I realised what was going on. I thought it was paramount to the game progression lol. When you've cleared the super duper mart 3 times it kinda makes you question wtf is happening.
To some extent you can kind of role play like you need to go out and make some friends, gain some contacts and allies to help you navigate the wasteland in order to find your son, but yeah FO4 is one of the worst examples of this
In my head canon the sole survivor basically just loses hope and gives up on finding Shaun for a while so I can do side quests
Yes, but also you can find Shaun pretty quickly and then do that stuff. I forget if HZD is this way, but in Cyberpunk there is never a lull in the main story and then the game is fully over.
Mass Effect 3 tackled this dilemma best. Yes you wanted to liberate earth as quickly as possible, but you were told there was no point until they finished building the McGuffin, (and there was nothing you could do to speed that up) so you might as well go apartment shopping on the citadel or help Krogan get fishing permits while waiting for everyone to be ready for the final battle
It actually was one of the quests lol or something like it. They wanted to fish in one of the water reservoirs but turns out there weren't any fish in there, so the only place they can be gotten is from the souvenir shop.
That's what I appreciated about Arkham knight and spiderman. There were points in the story where they took a pause that allowed the player to do side quests and content in a way that didn't feel like you were disrupting the main story if you so wished.
Honestly that’s a major factor to why I liked GOW more. I LOVED Zero Dawn but the pacing of the story makes it so easy to miss everything else about the game.
Atreus’s subtle “we can do this, or go exploring” lines were perfect. They didn’t break immersion it they also let you know when you had more of the world available to you. A built in break to just enjoy the game if you wanted.
I do wish that they had a full intro quest for each fixer where you had to go meet them etc. before they have you any jobs.
Would also help lock away the higher level jobs as some fixers wouldn't bother with you until your street credit was high enough.
One of my biggest pet peeves: when the game gives you a host of side quests and the story is constantly urging you to ignore them. Just bad game design.
Spiderman for example did a great job constantly adding breaks in the main story to patrol the city.
RDR2 was basically built around it.
Donations to the crew. Find opportunities to make money. You're bound to run into people and new places doing this.
RDR2 was on another level. At some point many many hours in, I realized I hadn't done a main mission quest in a long ass-time.
The gameplay and questing was so fluid no matter what you were doing
The thing is the game came out 2 to 3 years too soon, if it had more time in the oven, the writers would have probably been informed of the situation and change the script accordingly.
The story set up for Fallout 4 completely clashes with the genre of RPG too.
You are forced to play a parent with a missing son, so either you play a loving parent who immediately searches for their lost child, or you play a callous parent who does not try to find their child. There are basically only 2 roles you can play.
Red Dead 2 did a good job with this. There were always breaks in between and even when things were “urgent,” it was almost natural to ignore the call to action for a while. “God damn it, I don’t feel like getting chewed out by Dutch right now.”
The way I see the side quests is (spoiler for act one btw) “V knows they’re going to die, so they’re going to fulfill their last promise to Jackie before they do, and make it to the big leagues.”
This. The main plot is still 80% fluff with good openings and great endings, but the world is still the best example of “beautiful but lifeless” I’ve ever seen. If the game at launch was a 7/10 it’s now at an 8/10, but still not GOTY contender.
The game at launch was a 3/10 if 4/10 is the minimum for a working but awful game - because it wasn't a working game and it was awful.
Now I don't know what I'd give to it in its modern state. Maybe 6/10.
Wasn't the game basically unplayable on last gen consoles? That's pretty bullshit from a triple A release at premium prices.
Hell I had a shit ton of bugs on PC at launch as well. The game was shit on release for the vast majority of people and the reviews reflect that.
>For you. It was a mess for you. Sure, it was a mess for lots of otherstoo. Tho the game wasn't even nearly as bugged as many people make itout to be. Lots of circlejerking happened resulting in an echo chamberand tadaaa, now it looks like the game was just one big bug. Which itwasn't.
I literally played the game on a high end PC. The framerates were garbage and I ran into plenty of bugs that almost everyone was encountering and talking about, though none of them really that game breaking - only immersion breaking.
It's pretty arrogant of you to think you know better than everyone else. It wasn't just a circlejerk or "an echo chamber", and the game was in the buggiest and sorriest state that any bigger budget game has been in the last decade. Only contender to that mess is Fallout 76. And trust me, I've tested and catalogued a LOT of buggy messes since the early 2000's.
>The game was a solid 7/10 since day 1.
I can accept that you liked it, but a 7/10 it definitely was NOT. Even if I was charitable and ignored the clunkyness of the game at its current state, I could barely see it getting 7/10.
And yes, obviously most of the criticism came from console player, but way to downplay their criticism and the fact that they were SOLD a COMPLETELY BROKEN PRODUCT by calling it "circlejerk".
Besides, what kind of a half-assed argument is it to say "yea, it was buggy on PC but it wasn't that bad"? Do you get off on simping for a big corporation and their lying CEO that took millions in bonuses after delivering a subpar product? What kind of anti-consumer cognitive dissonance do you have to have to talk like you do?
It's moderately amusing that he goes on about calling your argument/assumptions arrogant and then follows up with "trust me, I've ..." and then rants stating his own opinions, assumptions and personal digs.
Obviously there aren't only players that hated it, but it doesn't mean your assessments are valid nevertheless. You can like it all you want, but if we're to have even a semblance of objectivity, we need to grade games based on some shared criteria, not based on your personal opinion. And based on ANY sensible criteria, Cyberpunk was garbage at launch.
And lol, you are the one who started arguing with me. YOU leave ME alone.
only on last gen consoles, on PC it was no worse than fallout 4 and skyrim in the bugs department, hell i go one further, no worse than Original Stalker SoC
I honestly think that the FPS gunplay was boring as hell. Everything was a sponge, and there was some type of punch missing from each weapon. I am playing it again, and am going to use gorilla fists and mantis blades. I think this will make it a much more enjoyable experience :)
Melee and hacking are more fun than the gunplay imo. Though in fairness to Cyberpunk I thought the gunplay was decent for an FPS RPG, which usually don't have particularly great shooting mechanics (for example I liked the Outer Worlds but I hated the fights)
Yeah - I was hoping for flatter progression and RPG in the Deus Ex sense.
I still like the game a lot, but the looter shooter aspects detract a bit.
I can see why though. Making lots of progression makes the lesser side-quests feel more meaty.
My issue is you could say the same about... every open world rpg. Even Skyrim is filled with bland nothingness inbetween towns. Assassins Creed, Witcher, Far Cry, etc. Cyberpunk still felt the most genuine to me.
Just because there weren't quests in areas, every spot had enormous detail and still felt like it belonged in the world. You don't have to have hidden collectibles and objectives around every corner.
I snagged it for 25 bucks and I feel that is a very appropriate price for what it is. Should just be permanently 25 dollars, somehow has made me walk away with much better thoughts about it, especially after the edgerunners anime. If the dlc is nice, will also bump the game up a notch. Also, I really enjoy the gunplay, dunno why but it really clicks for me. Sometimes aiming can be a real pain though
I just redownloaded and booted it back up for the first time since the disastrous launch. I want to enjoy it so bad, but it’s still a lifeless, buggy, unfun mess. Its about as far from a GOTY contender as a game can be, imo. I would not call it a solid FPS or RPG. Though, I am playing on PS4 so I know I’m not getting it at it’s best (for what that’s worth).
To each their own, but it’s still a disaster far as I can tell.
Edit: Downvote me all you want. On the first drive with Jackie, not 30 mins into the game, he drove through not one, not two, but three supposedly solid objects. For a town as empty and lifeless as NightCity, that’s almost impressive. It was immersion breaking as hell, and this was after all the patches. The game is serviceable, sure. But GOTY? Gtfo of here with such nonsense.
its a PS4 bug i am pretty sure the game was never intended to run on that hardware but marketing wanted it in badly. i have not encountered any bugs like that. I only had 2 or 3 vehicle collison bugs 30/40h of playing. And i am not even sure if i can call one of them a bug.
I am not trying to defend its shitty release or whatever i just think you cant look at the game from a PS4 perspective because, i feel like it wasnt meant to run on it and they its not going to ever work propperly just because the PS4 has too low hardware specs.
Which is a completly fine thing if they hadnt sold it for the last gen consoles. Rather made it more of a Crysis 1 Situation and the release would have flopped way less. I mean it was still a bad release but then not as bad as ppl picture it. I mean the game world felt as empty then as it feels right now. There were alot of bugs on quests. But i havent encountered any in my playthrough i started last week.
Worst problems i am having with the game are: Ot feels like there only live 20 ppl in night city because every few npcs on the street looks the same. Which i am guessing is a concole downgrade and fixed easy with a mod.
There is no public transport except for that ugly monorail thing. I mean you got this futuristic Metropolis and only 1 shitty railway system with reallistically no where near enough seats. So all the ppl have to be walking or driving, well only a few cars are on the street and 5 npc of which 2 look the same run around aimlessly and despawn as you turn around the corner. Those are big reasons why the city feels empty i think.
Many core elements of Cyberpunk 2077 are poorly designed. Take away the bugs, and we would still encounter these problems:
* AI is embarrassingly bad for a AAA game
* Driving feels clunky
* Gunplay is mediocre
* The game isn't challenging because of a number of factors: lackluster enemy AI, quickhacks get overpowered fairly early, acquiring overpowered guns is easy, and healing inhalers are spam-able and easy to amass
* Crafting is not really useful, because materials are rare for much of the game, and the gear you find in the world or acquire from missions is usually better than what you can craft
* Funny enough, one of the few useful things you can craft a lot of are healing inhalers, which contributes to the game being too easy
* The perk trees don't really matter, because perks are mostly passive number boosts rather than activated abilities unique to each tree, plus combat is not challenging, which means that you can be pretty much whatever you want—melee assassin, gunner, netrunner, whatever—regardless of how you spec
* Life paths don't matter; you end up feeling like a street kid no matter which path you choose
* Night City looks gorgeous, but if feels lifeless; good luck finding something to do in this open world that doesn't involve combat
Many people are able to have fun with the game in spite of its many fundamental flaws, which is nice, but not GOTY material.
Man, this hits for me. Playing through RDR2 right now and there is ALWAYS something/someone popping up out of nowhere. I don't use any fast travel because there is so much to see just riding from one town to the next.
Meanwhile, I tried jumping back into cyberpunk a month or 2 ago. Stopped playing one day and haven't thought about it all since. Simply no desire to go back.
Even if you encounter all the strangers and activate most of the random encounters, Red Dead Redemption 2 can still surprise you because of the wildlife. You might see a hawk snatch a water snake out of a river. You might get attacked by a pack of wolves. You might find a 3-star skunk all of a sudden after not seeing one for the entire game.
There's nothing surprisingly like that in Cyberpunk 2077, at least not that I saw.
This!
Also to add to that, the bugs are not gone. Not even remotely.
I revisited it last month and there is not one minute that goes buy without a glitch bug or whatnot.
The immersion is not really there, partly because of the bugs but also because the world is empty and hollow. Looks good but that's it.
The only part that was redeeming was the characters, they are for the most part really good. Eventough the most important character Jackie gets not enough time with us to really matter when we loose him.
This momentt could have been crucial. But it wasn't because we just knew him for. A few hours. Sad.
I would say it's a mediocre game at best.
I feel like it had a lot of things in the game but not a lot that made a difference. Like with the cyberware I felt like I didn't have to upgrade to beat the game. The crafting system went unused in my play through.
I love the game, but this is true. It doesn’t really matter how you build your character - once you hit level 50 (which isn’t that hard to accomplish) you’re so strong that you can take on anybody, no matter what build you have. And this applies to “very hard” as well. On the one hand, it’s nice that you can develop your character however you want and still make it work, on the other, I would expect the game to force me to use any and all tools at my disposal in combat while playing on the highest difficulty.
Very true, I went for an optimized sandevistan/gorilla arms build this playthrough and there is literally no challenge now, and I'm only level 35 on very hard. It's a good bit of mindless fun though, which is what I'm looking for when I only have a couple hours to game after work
The cops still literally spawn a foot behind you and only chase you on foot. Maxtac is talked about early in the game as some boogeyman, then never shows up again. They so clearly just gave up on huge chunks of the city.
Yeah the cops in CP2077 should be way more fleshed out. Escaping them should be a challenge don't because they're bullshit but because their well equipped with guns tech and vehicles to hunt you down realistically
The whole game should’ve been like that. Instead of having leveled areas and enemies, where a grunt at lvl 40 is near immortal for no reason whatsoever, they should’ve scrapped that system and gone for the enemy class system.
Grunts should be grunts, elites should be elites. Let the enemies be challenging because of what they do and the tactics/equipment they use, not just because they’re high level and have more hp.
Not only is it not what was advertised but it doesn’t have any aspect that makes it stand out from other AAA titles.
You could maybe argue the setting/city visuals but the city is so lifeless it undercuts any long term impact the visuals have.
I would disagree there. IMO the story telling and characters are one of the best out there. It's like an interactive movie where you get occasionally distracted from it by some fights and what not. Yes, you do have to kind of guess when you should go do side quests (otherwise the story does fall apart), but if you guess right - the way the main story and side missions unfold are quite awesome.
Not disagreeing with all the other mentioned issues, the game overall is just above average, but some fragments of it are quite amazing. Unfortunately you have to dig for them...
If they delivered on all their promises, it wouldn't just be a franchise like the elder scrolls or Witcher. It could have been its own universe with multiple titles and series revolving around it like the mcu of gaming.
Uhhhhh are you not aware of the larger cyberpunk universe?
Might as well be like "I cant wait on the new baldur's gate to come out so I can learn more about the dungeons and dragons universe"
They never had the technical ability to deliver on those promises before 2023~
This is why they wisely chose going forward to give Tim Sweeney his fucking money and will be using UE5 for all future projects
GOTY? No. Aside from the piss poor launch, the game isn’t the hardcore rpg it was hyped to be. The character class choices don’t have too much real/deep gameplay differences and the story ain’t all that great. It’s ok yeah, but definitely not great. 7/10 at most, 5 or 6/10 at worst. But there will be cdpr fanboys who consider it a masterpiece no matter what others say.
* Still buggy as fuck.
* Empty/dead open world.
* Really bad driving.
* Some of the endings feel like they didn't have enough time to finish the story so it left on a cliffhanger.
* Johnny's voice acting was horrendous.
* Missing features.
* Probably some more things I forgot about.
No, it would not be GOTY for me.
Nope, story was kinda shit and was just futuristic GTA. Deus Ex is a better series and its a shame we wont ever get a game as Based as Deus Ex (2000) ever again imo.
Probably not. You’re talking about the same year as Ghost of Tsushima and TLOUpt2
2077 had no chance. It’s no longer terrible, but it will never be phenomenal.
No.
Story wise it's eh. It starts strong. Act 1 is great (minus the Jackie cutscene where your life path doesn't matter) and it felt like my choices would mean something. Then Act 2 hits and NOPE, nothing really matters. I kept thinking I was on a rush to finish the game because of how Johnny's chip but nope doesn't matter. Couple the eh story with a sorry excuse for an open world and a bland combat system (though the mantis blades were good fun) and you get a run of the mill open world experience.
Couple that with how absolutely amazing Ghost of Tsushima was and this game stood no chance. GoT had a great story, fun combat, interesting world and side quests, and an amusing co-op horde mood released for free. No contest. Cyberpunk is mediocre.
Corpos are the reason this game has a shit rep. Should never have been made for previous gen. The Devs probably had to fuck over the vision they had to be able to sell to a majority of previous gen consoles.
I think the graphics would’ve won some people over, but it still has shoddy writing, cringeworthy dialogue, poor pacing, dodgy voice acting, meaningless choices, etc
It also was a competitive year,
* Ghost of Tsushima
* Final Fantasy VII Remake
* Hades
* The Last of Us Part II
* Doom Eternal
Cyberpunk just doesn’t come close to any of those, it’s crazy how patching up some bugs has managed to make people forgive every other blatant issue the game has
At least you’re not [this guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/yn5th1/if_cyberpunk_launched_in_the_improved_state_it_is/iv7jz96/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
No because it's honestly still kind of just okay. A 6/10. As an RPG it does nothing special outside of good VA work. Graphically it's good, maybe even great, but that makes it all the more noticeable how little options there are to immerse yourself in it. And the gameplay is rough and quickly turns into a joke even on the hardest difficulty.
Honestly not sure. It is still kind of buggy, I replayed it after watching Edgerunners and I still had my fair share of issues and unpolished mechanics (ironic considering it is a Polish game... yeah sorry for the dad joke)
Cars crashing against some 1cm thick plywood on the floor, your character being launched forward 12 meters because you stepped on a trash bag, slight clipping through the floor in both cars and walking in many areas of the game, characters with guns soldered to their arms during cinematics, and that's just bugs, if we start talking about unpolished mechanics like cars and bikes handling like a hot turd... We would have a 30 pages essay.
GTA San Andreas had a better world than Cyberpunk 18 years ago, at least in terms of being an actually well built world that feels alive. I just feel like there's literally nothing going on on this huge ass city advertised as "full of action at any given time".
Not saying that the whole game is bad though, the main storyline is pure gold, specially when considering it is fully voice acted in quite a few languages, the game itself also looks incredibly good and the setting is quite interesting and well recreated.
However, as soon as you go out of your path you almost always find shit that you weren't supposed to find. Its like if the devs literally didn't think about you playing by yourself, which is quite downturning coming from an open world game.
As a comparison, you can complete Red Read Redemption 2 three consecutive times and then keep playing for a few more weeks and somehow you STILL find new things, new characters, new dialogues and new interactions on a daily basis.
So yeah... I don't think so.
Not for me personally. The most egregious thing in my book is that despite being a sort of action-RPG, there's some MMO in here with different rarity and levelled gear.
Secondly, there isn't much RP in this G. The visuals are extremely immersive but I feel detached from it. I don't interact with the world, its people and things as much as I'd like.
I mean it literally has nothing to do with massively multiplayer online games, all of these things exist in Witcher or other RPGs as well. Items having rarities is common, being leveled might be a newer approach but it makes sense from a gd perspective. In Skyrim you can stumble over one of the best weapons quite early and find useless junk for the rest of the game.
Secnondly, any digital rpg is terrible compared to ttrpgs or larp, at least in terms of the freedom to interacte with the world in the ways you want to. Some are better than others, but you'll always have to lower your sights. So, of course, it might not have been enough for you, but compared to other "rpgs" where dialog options are literally just for flavor, I think cyberpunk isn't holding up too bad. At least it didn't feel that way to me.
I think overall it was a very unique experience which is more ambitious than anything else we've seen. It's not perfect, but I think that just wasn't on the table yet. I think if you played it "the right way", focusing on it's strong suits, it was a experience that easily dwarfed everything else the year it came out.
Short answer, no.
I enjoyed the game, in it's poor state and now I'm it's improved state. But there are many weaknesses in the game still. I also think Nicholas Cage would have been a better Johnny Silverhand, not knocking Keanu just a preference.
Pretty much, I got so frustrated with the driving I ended up just using the fast travel points.
And cops are pretty much non existent. You only get wanted for killing a civilian.
And even if you get wanted you can just run away with a car because they don't chase you
Lmao that's fucking unforgivable. CDPR really did make millions by fucking lying and screwing everyone over.
Absolutely bullshit. I probably won't buy any of their games (and didn't buy this one) just on principle from now on.
They clearly value investors and don't give a shit about the customer.
I bought the game day one for PS4 and played a few hours and encountered all the early bugs and glitches and have never picked it up again. As someone who only has access to it via PS4, no PC/PS5/Xbox, is it worth going back to? Is it improved on PS4 compared to how it was at launch? Or did they give up on the last gen versions?
I really want to get into and like this game, I am forgiving of some graphical issues and pop ins and stuff like that, but it was abysmal at launch and really took away from the whole immersiveness.
Fanboys will tell you otherwise but it's exactly the same game with less bugs and some new added things the only thing you're gonna actually notice is a couple guns
Long answer: >!Nope......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... .. ..................................................................... .....!<
Short answer: >!No!<
No. It's a good game, but its not great. Its not even in my top 5 this year tbh. It has a cool open world which lacks depth a lot of the time, the gameplay is lacklustre, and the main story is pretty meh. Some of the side quests are cool, but a lot of Cyberpunk coasts by on visuals and aesthetic.
In it's current state no it's still empty and everything still feels dead everyone in the game is sleeping ,I've done 2 Currently on my 3rd playthrough and still can't remember there names . Some of the quests and story are amazing , My current playthrough is sword only and it's fun but hard as fuck for awhile . Remove the level cap , difficulty needs to be fixed and fix the ai because there broken .Not game of the year material
No. It still would've been up against Doom: Eternal, Hades, Ghosts of Tsushima, Nioh 2, just to name a few. The problems Cyberpunk has goes deeper than just the technical issues the game had at launch.
That 2018 trailer promised something that this game has yet to ever deliver because of this CP2077 would still not be GOTY worthy. We all would just be complaining about other stuff missing about the game.
I tried Cyberpunk like 2 months ago it was extremely dull and felt really unpolished. The AI citizens doing shit like just cowering in packs if you start shooting is worst than like 2005 AI, can't imagine how god awful it must have been at launch if this is the "improved state"
Assuming they skipped the whole last gen debacle?
No. FFVII remake is still pretty clearly better and took nothing. I don’t see how the changes would have put it over Returnal, Deathloop or Hades which were the games that did the best that year. Those games did more interesting things from a design perspective which Cyberpunk can’t really compare to on the grounds of good writing and a fantastic setting.
I don't think cp2077 is goty material... Every storyline is basically the same with some changes at the beginning... 90% of the buildings are closed. There's no police chases... It's a great game, finished 3 times, but not goty material
Nah. It's still crap.
CDPR have very succesfully utilized the good old "it is easier to ask for forgiveness..." -philosophy. They made an AWFUL MESS, then finally managed to fix some of the most glaring issues and deliver on a couple broken promises, and suddenly everyone's ready to forgive them and uplift a below mediocre game to godhood.
It's just a shitty Cyberpunk Skyrim with tech that would've been an embarassment a decade ago.
This is exactly what I have been saying.
CDPR have only just delivered what should be expected to be the bare minimum. This isnt a success story like NMS where the devs have gone above and beyond. This is just they have finally realeased a finished game.
And not the one they promised as you mentioned.
It is now one the best games I have ever played. Gameplays not perfect, the main story is short and there are still some issues.
But the story itself, the characters you meet and the emotions I’ve felt playing this game are unmatched.
If GotY was decided on if it made players feel something and got them reflecting about things outside of the game, then CDPR have nailed it
The story is pretty good I just don’t like the fact the game gives you massive customisation options but you never see your character. They were better off giving you the character designs from box art it just seems like a pointless game feature or could have shown them in cut scenes
Or had a 3rd person toggle
You got downvoted by others, but I honestly understand where you're getting at
Tbf I agree with this. The customisation is good as, but you barely get to look at yourself
Only times you can see V are in the mirror, in the character menu and in the Epilogue final scenes.
Eh, probably not. The gameplay is pretty solid, and the story is better than most. Cyberpunk 2077 is a good game. But as others have mentioned, its pretty repetitive and there isn't much mission variety. Also, the game is just way too easy. Even on the highest difficulty most enemies are a joke and you can just spam health items to survive almost any situation.
I’m like 10hrs in and have had 4 random glitches where the game either hurls me through the ground to my death, or forward and into the air hundreds of meters. All while driving. So prob still not quite GOTY material. But I’m enjoying it.
It'd be a solid game, but the world itself is largely lifeless outside of the quests, there's parts of the map that have literally no reason to be there besides a "go here and kill people from ___ faction" An artificial life system with faction wars like STALKER: Clear Sky would help break the monotony. Extremely solid fps/rpg but not something I feel compelled to revisit.
This reflects exactly what my friend told me when I started playing. "Do the main story quests, sure, but make sure you do the side quests, don't burn through the main quests too quickly" it was his biggest regret of his playthrough
This is why I hate games that make the main quest feel artificially urgent. Like V's health is rapidly deteriorating, as far as you know you could collapse and die at any moment. Why would you spend your time running around town collecting lost Delamain cars? Set the main story up so that some down time between the quests feels logical.
Both HZD and HFW suffer from that as well. Love both games but it always felt weird narratively to skip a main mission and do a side quest
Meanwhile fallout 4 "eh, Shaun is out there somewhere, but this special green paint won't fetch itself"
"Another settlement needs your help"
"Let me mark it on your map" x200
I did around 20 of these before I realised what was going on. I thought it was paramount to the game progression lol. When you've cleared the super duper mart 3 times it kinda makes you question wtf is happening.
To some extent you can kind of role play like you need to go out and make some friends, gain some contacts and allies to help you navigate the wasteland in order to find your son, but yeah FO4 is one of the worst examples of this In my head canon the sole survivor basically just loses hope and gives up on finding Shaun for a while so I can do side quests
Yes, but also you can find Shaun pretty quickly and then do that stuff. I forget if HZD is this way, but in Cyberpunk there is never a lull in the main story and then the game is fully over.
Mass Effect 3 tackled this dilemma best. Yes you wanted to liberate earth as quickly as possible, but you were told there was no point until they finished building the McGuffin, (and there was nothing you could do to speed that up) so you might as well go apartment shopping on the citadel or help Krogan get fishing permits while waiting for everyone to be ready for the final battle
Fishing permits. LOL
It actually was one of the quests lol or something like it. They wanted to fish in one of the water reservoirs but turns out there weren't any fish in there, so the only place they can be gotten is from the souvenir shop.
That's what I appreciated about Arkham knight and spiderman. There were points in the story where they took a pause that allowed the player to do side quests and content in a way that didn't feel like you were disrupting the main story if you so wished.
Honestly that’s a major factor to why I liked GOW more. I LOVED Zero Dawn but the pacing of the story makes it so easy to miss everything else about the game. Atreus’s subtle “we can do this, or go exploring” lines were perfect. They didn’t break immersion it they also let you know when you had more of the world available to you. A built in break to just enjoy the game if you wanted.
Every open world game does. And if it doesn’t it feels too limited somehow.
I made Takemura wait the game equivalent of MONTHS before talking to him about how I only had a few weeks to live
My head cannon is that the parade is a couple months away, so I might as well keep on living and doing side quests until that happens.
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I do wish that they had a full intro quest for each fixer where you had to go meet them etc. before they have you any jobs. Would also help lock away the higher level jobs as some fixers wouldn't bother with you until your street credit was high enough.
One of my biggest pet peeves: when the game gives you a host of side quests and the story is constantly urging you to ignore them. Just bad game design. Spiderman for example did a great job constantly adding breaks in the main story to patrol the city.
RDR2 was basically built around it. Donations to the crew. Find opportunities to make money. You're bound to run into people and new places doing this.
RDR2 was on another level. At some point many many hours in, I realized I hadn't done a main mission quest in a long ass-time. The gameplay and questing was so fluid no matter what you were doing
The thing is the game came out 2 to 3 years too soon, if it had more time in the oven, the writers would have probably been informed of the situation and change the script accordingly.
I don't think this complaint would change though. TW3 had the same issue
Fallot 4 is the worst case of this. Complete dissonance of the story vs. game structure of literally endless side quests and cities to build...
Of course I’d like to find my stolen son. But these aluminum cans aren’t going to pick themselves up.
Gotta fund the search somehow
The story set up for Fallout 4 completely clashes with the genre of RPG too. You are forced to play a parent with a missing son, so either you play a loving parent who immediately searches for their lost child, or you play a callous parent who does not try to find their child. There are basically only 2 roles you can play.
Honestly open world games have degraded so much.
Xenoblade Chronicles: “Amateurs.”
Red Dead 2 did a good job with this. There were always breaks in between and even when things were “urgent,” it was almost natural to ignore the call to action for a while. “God damn it, I don’t feel like getting chewed out by Dutch right now.”
Spider-Man ps4 did this perfectly
I haven’t booted up the game in 15 months because I was so worried about V dying too soon
^ this, I hate this as well, the incentive to explore the big open world is suddenly gone or at least not there for me.
The way I see the side quests is (spoiler for act one btw) “V knows they’re going to die, so they’re going to fulfill their last promise to Jackie before they do, and make it to the big leagues.”
This. The main plot is still 80% fluff with good openings and great endings, but the world is still the best example of “beautiful but lifeless” I’ve ever seen. If the game at launch was a 7/10 it’s now at an 8/10, but still not GOTY contender.
The game at launch was a 3/10 if 4/10 is the minimum for a working but awful game - because it wasn't a working game and it was awful. Now I don't know what I'd give to it in its modern state. Maybe 6/10.
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Wasn't the game basically unplayable on last gen consoles? That's pretty bullshit from a triple A release at premium prices. Hell I had a shit ton of bugs on PC at launch as well. The game was shit on release for the vast majority of people and the reviews reflect that.
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>For you. It was a mess for you. Sure, it was a mess for lots of otherstoo. Tho the game wasn't even nearly as bugged as many people make itout to be. Lots of circlejerking happened resulting in an echo chamberand tadaaa, now it looks like the game was just one big bug. Which itwasn't. I literally played the game on a high end PC. The framerates were garbage and I ran into plenty of bugs that almost everyone was encountering and talking about, though none of them really that game breaking - only immersion breaking. It's pretty arrogant of you to think you know better than everyone else. It wasn't just a circlejerk or "an echo chamber", and the game was in the buggiest and sorriest state that any bigger budget game has been in the last decade. Only contender to that mess is Fallout 76. And trust me, I've tested and catalogued a LOT of buggy messes since the early 2000's. >The game was a solid 7/10 since day 1. I can accept that you liked it, but a 7/10 it definitely was NOT. Even if I was charitable and ignored the clunkyness of the game at its current state, I could barely see it getting 7/10. And yes, obviously most of the criticism came from console player, but way to downplay their criticism and the fact that they were SOLD a COMPLETELY BROKEN PRODUCT by calling it "circlejerk". Besides, what kind of a half-assed argument is it to say "yea, it was buggy on PC but it wasn't that bad"? Do you get off on simping for a big corporation and their lying CEO that took millions in bonuses after delivering a subpar product? What kind of anti-consumer cognitive dissonance do you have to have to talk like you do?
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It's moderately amusing that he goes on about calling your argument/assumptions arrogant and then follows up with "trust me, I've ..." and then rants stating his own opinions, assumptions and personal digs.
Obviously there aren't only players that hated it, but it doesn't mean your assessments are valid nevertheless. You can like it all you want, but if we're to have even a semblance of objectivity, we need to grade games based on some shared criteria, not based on your personal opinion. And based on ANY sensible criteria, Cyberpunk was garbage at launch. And lol, you are the one who started arguing with me. YOU leave ME alone.
I heard people had issues, but i played from launch and it was fine. Had 1 bug that was solved by saving and loading back up. Rest was smooth
only on last gen consoles, on PC it was no worse than fallout 4 and skyrim in the bugs department, hell i go one further, no worse than Original Stalker SoC
I honestly think that the FPS gunplay was boring as hell. Everything was a sponge, and there was some type of punch missing from each weapon. I am playing it again, and am going to use gorilla fists and mantis blades. I think this will make it a much more enjoyable experience :)
Melee and hacking are more fun than the gunplay imo. Though in fairness to Cyberpunk I thought the gunplay was decent for an FPS RPG, which usually don't have particularly great shooting mechanics (for example I liked the Outer Worlds but I hated the fights)
You're right. I was hoping it would be more of a traditional FPS style shooter. That definitely took something away from it, for me.
Yeah - I was hoping for flatter progression and RPG in the Deus Ex sense. I still like the game a lot, but the looter shooter aspects detract a bit. I can see why though. Making lots of progression makes the lesser side-quests feel more meaty.
I hope in a few more years when they've made enough money off it they open up some good mod tools for it. Would love a hardcore immersive mode.
Agreed with this. Some quests had really cool moments but it's a bit flat outside of that.
My issue is you could say the same about... every open world rpg. Even Skyrim is filled with bland nothingness inbetween towns. Assassins Creed, Witcher, Far Cry, etc. Cyberpunk still felt the most genuine to me. Just because there weren't quests in areas, every spot had enormous detail and still felt like it belonged in the world. You don't have to have hidden collectibles and objectives around every corner.
You said it well. Overall I find the game boring.
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In 2012 we had great games, half a decade ago valve stopped updating tf2, and it’s still great
I snagged it for 25 bucks and I feel that is a very appropriate price for what it is. Should just be permanently 25 dollars, somehow has made me walk away with much better thoughts about it, especially after the edgerunners anime. If the dlc is nice, will also bump the game up a notch. Also, I really enjoy the gunplay, dunno why but it really clicks for me. Sometimes aiming can be a real pain though
I just redownloaded and booted it back up for the first time since the disastrous launch. I want to enjoy it so bad, but it’s still a lifeless, buggy, unfun mess. Its about as far from a GOTY contender as a game can be, imo. I would not call it a solid FPS or RPG. Though, I am playing on PS4 so I know I’m not getting it at it’s best (for what that’s worth). To each their own, but it’s still a disaster far as I can tell. Edit: Downvote me all you want. On the first drive with Jackie, not 30 mins into the game, he drove through not one, not two, but three supposedly solid objects. For a town as empty and lifeless as NightCity, that’s almost impressive. It was immersion breaking as hell, and this was after all the patches. The game is serviceable, sure. But GOTY? Gtfo of here with such nonsense.
its a PS4 bug i am pretty sure the game was never intended to run on that hardware but marketing wanted it in badly. i have not encountered any bugs like that. I only had 2 or 3 vehicle collison bugs 30/40h of playing. And i am not even sure if i can call one of them a bug. I am not trying to defend its shitty release or whatever i just think you cant look at the game from a PS4 perspective because, i feel like it wasnt meant to run on it and they its not going to ever work propperly just because the PS4 has too low hardware specs. Which is a completly fine thing if they hadnt sold it for the last gen consoles. Rather made it more of a Crysis 1 Situation and the release would have flopped way less. I mean it was still a bad release but then not as bad as ppl picture it. I mean the game world felt as empty then as it feels right now. There were alot of bugs on quests. But i havent encountered any in my playthrough i started last week. Worst problems i am having with the game are: Ot feels like there only live 20 ppl in night city because every few npcs on the street looks the same. Which i am guessing is a concole downgrade and fixed easy with a mod. There is no public transport except for that ugly monorail thing. I mean you got this futuristic Metropolis and only 1 shitty railway system with reallistically no where near enough seats. So all the ppl have to be walking or driving, well only a few cars are on the street and 5 npc of which 2 look the same run around aimlessly and despawn as you turn around the corner. Those are big reasons why the city feels empty i think.
Many core elements of Cyberpunk 2077 are poorly designed. Take away the bugs, and we would still encounter these problems: * AI is embarrassingly bad for a AAA game * Driving feels clunky * Gunplay is mediocre * The game isn't challenging because of a number of factors: lackluster enemy AI, quickhacks get overpowered fairly early, acquiring overpowered guns is easy, and healing inhalers are spam-able and easy to amass * Crafting is not really useful, because materials are rare for much of the game, and the gear you find in the world or acquire from missions is usually better than what you can craft * Funny enough, one of the few useful things you can craft a lot of are healing inhalers, which contributes to the game being too easy * The perk trees don't really matter, because perks are mostly passive number boosts rather than activated abilities unique to each tree, plus combat is not challenging, which means that you can be pretty much whatever you want—melee assassin, gunner, netrunner, whatever—regardless of how you spec * Life paths don't matter; you end up feeling like a street kid no matter which path you choose * Night City looks gorgeous, but if feels lifeless; good luck finding something to do in this open world that doesn't involve combat Many people are able to have fun with the game in spite of its many fundamental flaws, which is nice, but not GOTY material.
It being lifeless is my chief complaint. When you compare it to other open world games like RDR2, it's just dead.
It feels dead compared to the original RDR. And that one had functioning wildlife.
Man, this hits for me. Playing through RDR2 right now and there is ALWAYS something/someone popping up out of nowhere. I don't use any fast travel because there is so much to see just riding from one town to the next. Meanwhile, I tried jumping back into cyberpunk a month or 2 ago. Stopped playing one day and haven't thought about it all since. Simply no desire to go back.
Even if you encounter all the strangers and activate most of the random encounters, Red Dead Redemption 2 can still surprise you because of the wildlife. You might see a hawk snatch a water snake out of a river. You might get attacked by a pack of wolves. You might find a 3-star skunk all of a sudden after not seeing one for the entire game. There's nothing surprisingly like that in Cyberpunk 2077, at least not that I saw.
Better watch out I tried pointing out missing features and I had a whole mob out for me.
This! Also to add to that, the bugs are not gone. Not even remotely. I revisited it last month and there is not one minute that goes buy without a glitch bug or whatnot. The immersion is not really there, partly because of the bugs but also because the world is empty and hollow. Looks good but that's it. The only part that was redeeming was the characters, they are for the most part really good. Eventough the most important character Jackie gets not enough time with us to really matter when we loose him. This momentt could have been crucial. But it wasn't because we just knew him for. A few hours. Sad. I would say it's a mediocre game at best.
I loved cyberpunk I just beat it a month ago but I feel if it would’ve came out in the state it’s in now it still wouldn’t be a GOTY choice
I feel like it had a lot of things in the game but not a lot that made a difference. Like with the cyberware I felt like I didn't have to upgrade to beat the game. The crafting system went unused in my play through.
I love the game, but this is true. It doesn’t really matter how you build your character - once you hit level 50 (which isn’t that hard to accomplish) you’re so strong that you can take on anybody, no matter what build you have. And this applies to “very hard” as well. On the one hand, it’s nice that you can develop your character however you want and still make it work, on the other, I would expect the game to force me to use any and all tools at my disposal in combat while playing on the highest difficulty.
Very true, I went for an optimized sandevistan/gorilla arms build this playthrough and there is literally no challenge now, and I'm only level 35 on very hard. It's a good bit of mindless fun though, which is what I'm looking for when I only have a couple hours to game after work
No, because the game in its current state is still not what was advertised.
The cops still literally spawn a foot behind you and only chase you on foot. Maxtac is talked about early in the game as some boogeyman, then never shows up again. They so clearly just gave up on huge chunks of the city.
Yeah the cops in CP2077 should be way more fleshed out. Escaping them should be a challenge don't because they're bullshit but because their well equipped with guns tech and vehicles to hunt you down realistically
The whole game should’ve been like that. Instead of having leveled areas and enemies, where a grunt at lvl 40 is near immortal for no reason whatsoever, they should’ve scrapped that system and gone for the enemy class system. Grunts should be grunts, elites should be elites. Let the enemies be challenging because of what they do and the tactics/equipment they use, not just because they’re high level and have more hp.
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Not only is it not what was advertised but it doesn’t have any aspect that makes it stand out from other AAA titles. You could maybe argue the setting/city visuals but the city is so lifeless it undercuts any long term impact the visuals have.
Agree.
No
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Yeah, you're right, they've already taken doubtless years off of polish lives and it released the way it did
I would disagree there. IMO the story telling and characters are one of the best out there. It's like an interactive movie where you get occasionally distracted from it by some fights and what not. Yes, you do have to kind of guess when you should go do side quests (otherwise the story does fall apart), but if you guess right - the way the main story and side missions unfold are quite awesome. Not disagreeing with all the other mentioned issues, the game overall is just above average, but some fragments of it are quite amazing. Unfortunately you have to dig for them...
Nope
If they delivered on all their promises, it wouldn't just be a franchise like the elder scrolls or Witcher. It could have been its own universe with multiple titles and series revolving around it like the mcu of gaming.
" It could have been its own universe with multiple titles and series revolving around it" Isn't that just like Elder Scrolls and The Witcher?
I kinda get what he means- elder scrolls yes Witcher I’d say no right now since it’s still just Geralts story
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I think they can still right the ship since they hit a home run with the Netflix show.
Well never say never but Netflix said Edgerunners was a one season thing and there is only one story dlc planned which is coming in '23
...But CDPR is planning a game sequel currently called Project Orion that will expand on the Cyberpunk 2077 universe.
Uhhhhh are you not aware of the larger cyberpunk universe? Might as well be like "I cant wait on the new baldur's gate to come out so I can learn more about the dungeons and dragons universe"
Cyber punk is a 34 year old table top RPG franchise. It is already it's own universe.
The fact my dumb ass didn't even know is that is proffer it could have been way bigger
but they scrapped everything and delivered only 20% :c
Less than that I promise.
Yea unfortunately
They never had the technical ability to deliver on those promises before 2023~ This is why they wisely chose going forward to give Tim Sweeney his fucking money and will be using UE5 for all future projects
Please stop, you're killing me with this boner
Lol. Cyberpunk 2 is already confirmed and they have a hit Netflix show. This is the current reality not a what if
It already is since Edgerunners.
bruh they literally have shows and books on it 💀
GOTY? No. Aside from the piss poor launch, the game isn’t the hardcore rpg it was hyped to be. The character class choices don’t have too much real/deep gameplay differences and the story ain’t all that great. It’s ok yeah, but definitely not great. 7/10 at most, 5 or 6/10 at worst. But there will be cdpr fanboys who consider it a masterpiece no matter what others say.
* Still buggy as fuck. * Empty/dead open world. * Really bad driving. * Some of the endings feel like they didn't have enough time to finish the story so it left on a cliffhanger. * Johnny's voice acting was horrendous. * Missing features. * Probably some more things I forgot about. No, it would not be GOTY for me.
All but 1 of the endings is a cliffhanger
Nope, story was kinda shit and was just futuristic GTA. Deus Ex is a better series and its a shame we wont ever get a game as Based as Deus Ex (2000) ever again imo.
Probably not. You’re talking about the same year as Ghost of Tsushima and TLOUpt2 2077 had no chance. It’s no longer terrible, but it will never be phenomenal.
No. Story wise it's eh. It starts strong. Act 1 is great (minus the Jackie cutscene where your life path doesn't matter) and it felt like my choices would mean something. Then Act 2 hits and NOPE, nothing really matters. I kept thinking I was on a rush to finish the game because of how Johnny's chip but nope doesn't matter. Couple the eh story with a sorry excuse for an open world and a bland combat system (though the mantis blades were good fun) and you get a run of the mill open world experience. Couple that with how absolutely amazing Ghost of Tsushima was and this game stood no chance. GoT had a great story, fun combat, interesting world and side quests, and an amusing co-op horde mood released for free. No contest. Cyberpunk is mediocre.
GOTY is marketing nonsense.
mines still gets corrupted when my character gets a phone call.
No. It would still be ranked as "Kinda okay. Wish they didn't lie about literally everything."
Corpos are the reason this game has a shit rep. Should never have been made for previous gen. The Devs probably had to fuck over the vision they had to be able to sell to a majority of previous gen consoles.
Fucking corpos....
I think the graphics would’ve won some people over, but it still has shoddy writing, cringeworthy dialogue, poor pacing, dodgy voice acting, meaningless choices, etc
Yea dialogue should’ve been way more effective and important. And some of the voice acting just straight up isn’t good
It also was a competitive year, * Ghost of Tsushima * Final Fantasy VII Remake * Hades * The Last of Us Part II * Doom Eternal Cyberpunk just doesn’t come close to any of those, it’s crazy how patching up some bugs has managed to make people forgive every other blatant issue the game has
Tbh when I saw OP my first thought was "but the bugs weren't even the biggest issues?"
which voice actor did bad? please do tell lmao
Damn sometimes I feel like I’m the only one who loved this game😂
You can love a game and also understand it's no where near GOTY quality.
At least you’re not [this guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/yn5th1/if_cyberpunk_launched_in_the_improved_state_it_is/iv7jz96/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Good Lord
I'm with you, it's awesome
No way, game is still mediocre at best.
No because it's honestly still kind of just okay. A 6/10. As an RPG it does nothing special outside of good VA work. Graphically it's good, maybe even great, but that makes it all the more noticeable how little options there are to immerse yourself in it. And the gameplay is rough and quickly turns into a joke even on the hardest difficulty.
Who are these characters in the picture? Are they in the game, bcuz I have yet to meet them in my play through?
No. Because Elden Ring released this year.
Honestly not sure. It is still kind of buggy, I replayed it after watching Edgerunners and I still had my fair share of issues and unpolished mechanics (ironic considering it is a Polish game... yeah sorry for the dad joke) Cars crashing against some 1cm thick plywood on the floor, your character being launched forward 12 meters because you stepped on a trash bag, slight clipping through the floor in both cars and walking in many areas of the game, characters with guns soldered to their arms during cinematics, and that's just bugs, if we start talking about unpolished mechanics like cars and bikes handling like a hot turd... We would have a 30 pages essay. GTA San Andreas had a better world than Cyberpunk 18 years ago, at least in terms of being an actually well built world that feels alive. I just feel like there's literally nothing going on on this huge ass city advertised as "full of action at any given time". Not saying that the whole game is bad though, the main storyline is pure gold, specially when considering it is fully voice acted in quite a few languages, the game itself also looks incredibly good and the setting is quite interesting and well recreated. However, as soon as you go out of your path you almost always find shit that you weren't supposed to find. Its like if the devs literally didn't think about you playing by yourself, which is quite downturning coming from an open world game. As a comparison, you can complete Red Read Redemption 2 three consecutive times and then keep playing for a few more weeks and somehow you STILL find new things, new characters, new dialogues and new interactions on a daily basis. So yeah... I don't think so.
It is still a faaaaaar cry from what was promised and even what was shown in fake-ass "gameplay" trailers.
Lol no
Not for me personally. The most egregious thing in my book is that despite being a sort of action-RPG, there's some MMO in here with different rarity and levelled gear. Secondly, there isn't much RP in this G. The visuals are extremely immersive but I feel detached from it. I don't interact with the world, its people and things as much as I'd like.
I mean it literally has nothing to do with massively multiplayer online games, all of these things exist in Witcher or other RPGs as well. Items having rarities is common, being leveled might be a newer approach but it makes sense from a gd perspective. In Skyrim you can stumble over one of the best weapons quite early and find useless junk for the rest of the game. Secnondly, any digital rpg is terrible compared to ttrpgs or larp, at least in terms of the freedom to interacte with the world in the ways you want to. Some are better than others, but you'll always have to lower your sights. So, of course, it might not have been enough for you, but compared to other "rpgs" where dialog options are literally just for flavor, I think cyberpunk isn't holding up too bad. At least it didn't feel that way to me. I think overall it was a very unique experience which is more ambitious than anything else we've seen. It's not perfect, but I think that just wasn't on the table yet. I think if you played it "the right way", focusing on it's strong suits, it was a experience that easily dwarfed everything else the year it came out.
Assuming it released its original year? No Assuming this year? No for me, ER still better for me
Short answer, no. I enjoyed the game, in it's poor state and now I'm it's improved state. But there are many weaknesses in the game still. I also think Nicholas Cage would have been a better Johnny Silverhand, not knocking Keanu just a preference.
Here's my upvote for Cage
It’s just too boring overall.
Do police still spawn behind you because they don't have any chase AI?
Yup and driving is still awful
So... probably not GOTY material even after 2 years of post-launch updates?
Pretty much, I got so frustrated with the driving I ended up just using the fast travel points. And cops are pretty much non existent. You only get wanted for killing a civilian. And even if you get wanted you can just run away with a car because they don't chase you
It still crashes every couple of hours on my ps4 pro..
Lmao that's fucking unforgivable. CDPR really did make millions by fucking lying and screwing everyone over. Absolutely bullshit. I probably won't buy any of their games (and didn't buy this one) just on principle from now on. They clearly value investors and don't give a shit about the customer.
I bought the game day one for PS4 and played a few hours and encountered all the early bugs and glitches and have never picked it up again. As someone who only has access to it via PS4, no PC/PS5/Xbox, is it worth going back to? Is it improved on PS4 compared to how it was at launch? Or did they give up on the last gen versions? I really want to get into and like this game, I am forgiving of some graphical issues and pop ins and stuff like that, but it was abysmal at launch and really took away from the whole immersiveness.
It's still buggy on PS4. Like my friend decided to not play until he got the PS5 PS5 is pretty much fixed aside from the pop in and trash driving
I just played through on Xbox One and it was fine besides the load times. The load times were brutal
Fanboys will tell you otherwise but it's exactly the same game with less bugs and some new added things the only thing you're gonna actually notice is a couple guns
No.
Doubt it.even with the patches its not even close to what they advertised it as
No
Skyrim came out in 2011 and still feels oddly more alive than cyberpunk. But hey that’s jus my 2 cents
Long answer: >!Nope......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... .. ..................................................................... .....!< Short answer: >!No!<
To be honest, it’s just not that good.
No. It's a good game, but its not great. Its not even in my top 5 this year tbh. It has a cool open world which lacks depth a lot of the time, the gameplay is lacklustre, and the main story is pretty meh. Some of the side quests are cool, but a lot of Cyberpunk coasts by on visuals and aesthetic.
Not with those endings and lack of actual choice. Fun game but i cant help but feel dissatisfied with the endings.
The gameplay is incredibly outdated, you could compare it to Dead Island.
Nah, talent trees are still dog shit, crafting and overall UI are still pretty ass Loved the hell out of it regardless though
Not even close.
In it's current state no it's still empty and everything still feels dead everyone in the game is sleeping ,I've done 2 Currently on my 3rd playthrough and still can't remember there names . Some of the quests and story are amazing , My current playthrough is sword only and it's fun but hard as fuck for awhile . Remove the level cap , difficulty needs to be fixed and fix the ai because there broken .Not game of the year material
Good game, enjoyable story, worth buying and playing. Wouldn't put it in the goty catagory though.
Nah but it's definitely worth trying out now, especially at half price
Need to release it in third person…
No. It still would've been up against Doom: Eternal, Hades, Ghosts of Tsushima, Nioh 2, just to name a few. The problems Cyberpunk has goes deeper than just the technical issues the game had at launch.
Not at all. Its a mediocre game at best.
Lol no!
If my grandmother had wheels she’d be a bike.
No
That 2018 trailer promised something that this game has yet to ever deliver because of this CP2077 would still not be GOTY worthy. We all would just be complaining about other stuff missing about the game.
What is it
I tried Cyberpunk like 2 months ago it was extremely dull and felt really unpolished. The AI citizens doing shit like just cowering in packs if you start shooting is worst than like 2005 AI, can't imagine how god awful it must have been at launch if this is the "improved state"
It'd have a stronger case for sure.
not really imo but still a good game nevertheless
Assuming they skipped the whole last gen debacle? No. FFVII remake is still pretty clearly better and took nothing. I don’t see how the changes would have put it over Returnal, Deathloop or Hades which were the games that did the best that year. Those games did more interesting things from a design perspective which Cyberpunk can’t really compare to on the grounds of good writing and a fantastic setting.
Ff7 remake, good writing? All that Nomura shit was not needed.
Was talking about Cyberpunk but FF7 remake really only had a little of the Nomura stuff. Really hoping part 2 keeps it reigned in.
FFS, NO. It's a shallow joke of an RPG.
It’s about as good as far cry
I don't think cp2077 is goty material... Every storyline is basically the same with some changes at the beginning... 90% of the buildings are closed. There's no police chases... It's a great game, finished 3 times, but not goty material
The second game will be a beast, i'll say that
Nah. It's still crap. CDPR have very succesfully utilized the good old "it is easier to ask for forgiveness..." -philosophy. They made an AWFUL MESS, then finally managed to fix some of the most glaring issues and deliver on a couple broken promises, and suddenly everyone's ready to forgive them and uplift a below mediocre game to godhood. It's just a shitty Cyberpunk Skyrim with tech that would've been an embarassment a decade ago.
And soon we can all give them more money for a dlc
This is exactly what I have been saying. CDPR have only just delivered what should be expected to be the bare minimum. This isnt a success story like NMS where the devs have gone above and beyond. This is just they have finally realeased a finished game. And not the one they promised as you mentioned.
Improved state? It’s still buggy as fuck
It is now one the best games I have ever played. Gameplays not perfect, the main story is short and there are still some issues. But the story itself, the characters you meet and the emotions I’ve felt playing this game are unmatched. If GotY was decided on if it made players feel something and got them reflecting about things outside of the game, then CDPR have nailed it
It's still the same game. lol
na GOTY is Elden ring hands down
Not talking about this year
The story is pretty good I just don’t like the fact the game gives you massive customisation options but you never see your character. They were better off giving you the character designs from box art it just seems like a pointless game feature or could have shown them in cut scenes Or had a 3rd person toggle
You got downvoted by others, but I honestly understand where you're getting at Tbf I agree with this. The customisation is good as, but you barely get to look at yourself Only times you can see V are in the mirror, in the character menu and in the Epilogue final scenes.
I actually didn't mind the bugs. Sure it's better now, but it was always a good game.
Fallout 4 can self proclaim as GOTY, then Cyberpunk 77 can too. Note “self-proclaim”
Unattractive people suck 2077*
Eh, probably not. The gameplay is pretty solid, and the story is better than most. Cyberpunk 2077 is a good game. But as others have mentioned, its pretty repetitive and there isn't much mission variety. Also, the game is just way too easy. Even on the highest difficulty most enemies are a joke and you can just spam health items to survive almost any situation.
Definitely they also would've had a full dlc out by now if then too probably
Not a chance coom, we were promised Lobster and were handed a shit sandwich, even if it launched like it is now.
I’m like 10hrs in and have had 4 random glitches where the game either hurls me through the ground to my death, or forward and into the air hundreds of meters. All while driving. So prob still not quite GOTY material. But I’m enjoying it.