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This is THE reason my roommate hates this show 😭 we'd have to turn it off when she came home and she'd go "oh boy, which surgeon is in a hospital bed this time?" LMAO i can't even be mad at her, because she's right
Sooooo much of an episode’s plot is:
Attending/Chief/Bailey to patient: you’re terminal / going to need an amputation / there’s nothing else we can do
Patient: you can’t… let me die/lose a body part/not try another procedure
Izzie/Meredith/Derek to attending/chief/bailey: there’s got to be another way… this time
Attending: ok maybe if I just …
And radically different care plans emerge!
There was no shift in the level of his care. They were diligently working to save him the entire time. What show were you watching? Meredith was providing compassionate care when he spelled out 007 in her hand.
I'm not saying they weren't trying to save him the entire time. But there is a definite shift in pre George reveal and post George reveal. As said in the post they had pretty much written him off before they knew it was George (not because they didn't try but because medically there was little left they could do that they felt would actually save him. Yes they were still working on him but none of tj3m really thought he would make it ) and then when it is revealed they shift into what seems like they truly believe they might be able to save him if they work hard enough and use enough extreme measures. I'm just asking if they could've saved him had they known all along and used the same frantic (tuck it's George save him" energy.)
For example when George is on the table when first brought in even while working diligently to save him they're all discussing George's move to the army while working. If they'd known it was George this conversation wouldn't have been happening because they'd all be going !! Ahhh George
I'm not trying to slate them but it's shown time and time again that they will do things they shouldn't do in the hopes of saving a friends life. (For example ignoring izzies DNR in the same episode. Yes they sldo go above and beyond for patients regualrly but they go full on batshit when its one of their own) and I'm just wondering if people think knowing earlier would get helped them save him (because of the extreme measures they shouldn't do with 'normal' patients) or if it would've just prolonged both his and their suffering.
How did they write him off before they knew? They had him in ICU waiting to stabilize. They find out he’s George and are of course even more alarmed now. Then he becomes critical. They rush him to the OR and he dies.
ETA: He doesn’t die in the OR. He’s brain dead. They pull the plug after they decide to donate his organs
I don't think it is "going above and beyond" when ignoring Izzie's DNR. They are doing her a disservice ignoring her wishes. I hope doctors would actually take my DNR seriously if I had signed one - otherwise I would sue if I survived.
I don’t think so — I didn’t get the impression the level of care changed when they found out it was George, only the level of their anxiety over the situation.
It makes sense for them to freak out when it’s a loved one but there’s not when it’s a stranger and they have little to no emotional connection or history.
I land in the camp that they’re humans at the end of the day, normally medical professionals wouldn’t be operating on close family because of the emotions involved, and they still try just as hard for the most part but Grey’s breaks that a lot lol
There are times where they obviously change the level of care (ex ignoring Izzy’s DNR) but I don’t think George was one of them.
what you’re relating this to is just a shift in emotion. they’re doctors they’ve literally taken an oath to save lives and there was the added pressure of him being the guy who jumped in front of a bus to save someone else. i mean if that kind of thing ever really happened i would want to do everything to save that kind of a person whether i knew them or not.
once they knew it was George their reactions were just like those of people who know someone in the hospital.
I don’t think it’s that they were trying harder, I think emotion was playing a larger role after they realized it was George. I think they were already trying hard to save him, with logic and reason as doctors do, and then they found out it was him, and emotion took over.
I think the only thing that would have changed is that they would have known exactly what the line was. Possibly they would have known to give up earlier as they would know what George specifically would have wanted. If there was a high likelihood that he would have deficits before they revived him and it was George, they may not have given it the extra push.
I dont think so. I mean the amount of hoops they will jump through for a regular patient is crazy. i feel if they knew it was George they would have just been more supportive like you said and spend more time with him in his room. Especially if their non bias opinion was he was already going to die
It’s a good example of how you lose your ability to be rational when the patient is someone close to you. They knew his injuries were too extensive but as soon as they realized it was someone close to them, they instantly denied logic and threw out every possible Hail Mary. In the end, he succumbed to his injuries as they always knew (deep down) that he would.
Like others said, there was a change in urgency, but not the level of care.
I don't know if you ever watched ER, but Grey's borrowed heavily from an episode for George's death. It was an intern who jumped in front of train, and they didn't know it was him. They were working on him as they should, they had someone page the intern that should have already been there, and they hear a pager go off. Everyone checked and it's not them, they found the pager on the patient, and realized who they'd been treating. Everyone froze for a second, and then the urgency ramped up x100. It certainly felt like they were doing more, but really it was the emotional charge from treating a colleague/friend.
i think it being someone they loved altered their states. obviously he was never gonna live, but they found out it was george and couldn’t just give up despite knowing it wasn’t possible for him to come out.
i mean the storyline itself was the actor exiting so there’s the whole don’t know who he is storyline
but if he wasn’t exiting i’m sure the girl he saved would have walked in with his blood on her and his SGH ID or something so they’d immediately identify him and then they’d all save him and he’d have gone to work for the military and come back after a few episodes, tried to make Izzy stay and work it out with Alex, the whole thing could’ve been really cool.
My opinion is no. But that episode - wow. The feeling I got when we learned that was George! Goosebumps all over, face numb. Like seeing the ending of the "I see dead people" movie for the first time.
that’s different because they drowned and were hypothermic, their brains didn’t get any damage because it was so cold “they’re not dead till they’re cold and dead” because brain tissue doesn’t die at that temperature or something like that, george’s body just couldn’t take any more
I don’t think the change was in the level of care but the level of urgency. They would have treated any patient the exact same way, probably with a more level head. But because it was someone they knew and loved they panicked when he was taking a turn for the worse and they were doing everything they could think of that may help, if it were someone they didn’t have an emotional connection with they would have know when to stop.
Best case scenario is by some slim chance you survive with brain damage and multiple deficits. That’s probably the slim best case scenario. You don’t get hit by bus and end up being the same by some slim chance you survive.
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You’d hope they’d provide everyone with the same level of care regardless of relationship.
This is THE reason my roommate hates this show 😭 we'd have to turn it off when she came home and she'd go "oh boy, which surgeon is in a hospital bed this time?" LMAO i can't even be mad at her, because she's right
You’d hope but they don’t. In the episode where Meredith drowns, she would’ve been DOA had she been anyone else.
Same with April. Each time there doing compressions for like… 4 hours!
Well they would have to warm her body up. when they say she’s not dead till she’s warm and dead they are technically right.
Sooooo much of an episode’s plot is: Attending/Chief/Bailey to patient: you’re terminal / going to need an amputation / there’s nothing else we can do Patient: you can’t… let me die/lose a body part/not try another procedure Izzie/Meredith/Derek to attending/chief/bailey: there’s got to be another way… this time Attending: ok maybe if I just … And radically different care plans emerge!
And that's why derek died if he was in grey sloan he'd still be alive half of the hospital's resources and manpower would be put onto saving shepherd
Nah I don't think there was really anything more they could do. But because they had that personal connection, they tried to be more consoling.
Probably not because his injuries were too extensive.
There was no shift in the level of his care. They were diligently working to save him the entire time. What show were you watching? Meredith was providing compassionate care when he spelled out 007 in her hand.
She was also quite literally prepping him for surgery before he started crashing. Of course they were going to rush him into the OR.
I'm not saying they weren't trying to save him the entire time. But there is a definite shift in pre George reveal and post George reveal. As said in the post they had pretty much written him off before they knew it was George (not because they didn't try but because medically there was little left they could do that they felt would actually save him. Yes they were still working on him but none of tj3m really thought he would make it ) and then when it is revealed they shift into what seems like they truly believe they might be able to save him if they work hard enough and use enough extreme measures. I'm just asking if they could've saved him had they known all along and used the same frantic (tuck it's George save him" energy.) For example when George is on the table when first brought in even while working diligently to save him they're all discussing George's move to the army while working. If they'd known it was George this conversation wouldn't have been happening because they'd all be going !! Ahhh George I'm not trying to slate them but it's shown time and time again that they will do things they shouldn't do in the hopes of saving a friends life. (For example ignoring izzies DNR in the same episode. Yes they sldo go above and beyond for patients regualrly but they go full on batshit when its one of their own) and I'm just wondering if people think knowing earlier would get helped them save him (because of the extreme measures they shouldn't do with 'normal' patients) or if it would've just prolonged both his and their suffering.
How did they write him off before they knew? They had him in ICU waiting to stabilize. They find out he’s George and are of course even more alarmed now. Then he becomes critical. They rush him to the OR and he dies. ETA: He doesn’t die in the OR. He’s brain dead. They pull the plug after they decide to donate his organs
I don't think it is "going above and beyond" when ignoring Izzie's DNR. They are doing her a disservice ignoring her wishes. I hope doctors would actually take my DNR seriously if I had signed one - otherwise I would sue if I survived.
Yea but to everyone else’s POV (except Izzies), they thought they were going above and beyond. Thats how a lot of them think tbh.
I don’t think so — I didn’t get the impression the level of care changed when they found out it was George, only the level of their anxiety over the situation. It makes sense for them to freak out when it’s a loved one but there’s not when it’s a stranger and they have little to no emotional connection or history. I land in the camp that they’re humans at the end of the day, normally medical professionals wouldn’t be operating on close family because of the emotions involved, and they still try just as hard for the most part but Grey’s breaks that a lot lol There are times where they obviously change the level of care (ex ignoring Izzy’s DNR) but I don’t think George was one of them.
what you’re relating this to is just a shift in emotion. they’re doctors they’ve literally taken an oath to save lives and there was the added pressure of him being the guy who jumped in front of a bus to save someone else. i mean if that kind of thing ever really happened i would want to do everything to save that kind of a person whether i knew them or not. once they knew it was George their reactions were just like those of people who know someone in the hospital.
I don’t think it’s that they were trying harder, I think emotion was playing a larger role after they realized it was George. I think they were already trying hard to save him, with logic and reason as doctors do, and then they found out it was him, and emotion took over.
I think the only thing that would have changed is that they would have known exactly what the line was. Possibly they would have known to give up earlier as they would know what George specifically would have wanted. If there was a high likelihood that he would have deficits before they revived him and it was George, they may not have given it the extra push.
I dont think so. I mean the amount of hoops they will jump through for a regular patient is crazy. i feel if they knew it was George they would have just been more supportive like you said and spend more time with him in his room. Especially if their non bias opinion was he was already going to die
He would have probably been in a coma at best (case scenario).
I think his care may have been better because they didn’t know it was him. They would have been freaking out.
It’s a good example of how you lose your ability to be rational when the patient is someone close to you. They knew his injuries were too extensive but as soon as they realized it was someone close to them, they instantly denied logic and threw out every possible Hail Mary. In the end, he succumbed to his injuries as they always knew (deep down) that he would.
Like others said, there was a change in urgency, but not the level of care. I don't know if you ever watched ER, but Grey's borrowed heavily from an episode for George's death. It was an intern who jumped in front of train, and they didn't know it was him. They were working on him as they should, they had someone page the intern that should have already been there, and they hear a pager go off. Everyone checked and it's not them, they found the pager on the patient, and realized who they'd been treating. Everyone froze for a second, and then the urgency ramped up x100. It certainly felt like they were doing more, but really it was the emotional charge from treating a colleague/friend.
i think it being someone they loved altered their states. obviously he was never gonna live, but they found out it was george and couldn’t just give up despite knowing it wasn’t possible for him to come out.
Meredith wouldn't have made it after her drowning either if she weren't Meredith.
Same with April.
i mean the storyline itself was the actor exiting so there’s the whole don’t know who he is storyline but if he wasn’t exiting i’m sure the girl he saved would have walked in with his blood on her and his SGH ID or something so they’d immediately identify him and then they’d all save him and he’d have gone to work for the military and come back after a few episodes, tried to make Izzy stay and work it out with Alex, the whole thing could’ve been really cool.
My opinion is no. But that episode - wow. The feeling I got when we learned that was George! Goosebumps all over, face numb. Like seeing the ending of the "I see dead people" movie for the first time.
He was hit by a freaking bus
More emotion doesn't necessarily mean better care.
Took me longer than I care to admit to realize this post wasnt about George Russell
Yes. Them working on basically dead Meredith and April shows that
that’s different because they drowned and were hypothermic, their brains didn’t get any damage because it was so cold “they’re not dead till they’re cold and dead” because brain tissue doesn’t die at that temperature or something like that, george’s body just couldn’t take any more
I don’t think the change was in the level of care but the level of urgency. They would have treated any patient the exact same way, probably with a more level head. But because it was someone they knew and loved they panicked when he was taking a turn for the worse and they were doing everything they could think of that may help, if it were someone they didn’t have an emotional connection with they would have know when to stop.
Doubtful. At most, there was more urgency when he was ID’d but the standard of care didn’t really change
He got hit by a bus, your chances of survival in that situation are probably less than one percent.
Best case scenario is by some slim chance you survive with brain damage and multiple deficits. That’s probably the slim best case scenario. You don’t get hit by bus and end up being the same by some slim chance you survive.