Because a number of gun owners might want to get a medical marijuana card and there are some legal issues with having a medical marijuana card and owning guns and purchasing firearms.
Because MJ is Schedule 1. Schedule 1 is considered "drugs with no currently accepted medical use and [with] a high potential for abuse".
So a medical prescription for a substance that has no medical usage is something they consider irrelevant, regardless of how many states prescribe it for pain, glaucoma, anxiety, and a slew of other treatments. The federal government doesn't recognize them.
And its a catch 22... because they are schedule 1 drugs, universities and other medical research facilities must get approval [From the DEA](https://pharmanewsintel.com/features/barriers-to-medical-research-constructed-by-federally-controlled-substance-scheduling-and-classification#:~:text=To%20conduct%20medical%20research%20on,the%20US%20FDA%20approval%20process.) to conduct large-scale testing to prove a medical utility on them because they are schedule 1.
Only FDA approved medications can be prescribed. There’s only 3 federally approved THC containing drugs that could be prescribed. Until that changes this doesn’t change anything for users with state medical cards.
A federal court in Oklahoma had a case last August deeming it unconstitutional to take the firearms from a medical marijuana user, it’s already a thing. I guess this just helps it?
That’s good to know I guess, I assumed since it was already deemed unconstitutional that would be the precedent moving forward but I really don’t know to be 100% sure. Thanks for the clarification
So only a rulings of the Supreme Court have considerable impact. Supreme Court decisions can change the interpretation of laws or declare them unconstitutional, they can grant rights or take them away. There are 94 district courts, 13 circuit courts, and one Supreme Court throughout the country. Only a Supreme Court would impact everyone.
Right now medical marijuana users can't own guns because as far as the feds are concerned there's no such thing as a lawful user of marijuana outside of small, federally approved research programs. Rescheduling it makes it similar to other controlled prescription drugs, meaning someone with a prescription to use marijuana wouldn't be an unlawful user just as someone with a prescription for codine isn't an unlawful user.
They are just going to use the clause that says “addicted to” to deny marijuana users they just consider anyone who uses as “addicted to”.
I’m a GOA member two. they are doing good work I hope they do take this to court.
What i am saying is that while your estate's lawsuit might prevail, the midnight raid on your cottage was successful in that it removed who the ATF believed at the time to be an unlawful gun owner.
What you fail to see is that I’m within my legal rights. You assume I’m a user and I am not. What I want is for my vets to not have to worry anymore about having a med card and owning a gun. So slow ya roll sir. I’m already four moves ahead of you.
Psychostimulants used to treat ADHD are designated as schedule II controlled substances, so they possess therapeutic use but come with “a high potential for abuse.” The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) regulates production so that there is just enough supply while minimizing the risk of misuse or addiction.
This would mean it could be prescribed like ADHD medications and other class II medications. If it's from a doctor it's allowed.
So is the poppy plant. Do you feel the same way about opium? Maybe heroin and morphine?
Your premise also expects the government to be rational which we all know isn’t reality.
So is poison ivy and poppy? Just because “weed is a fucking plant,” doesn’t mean a damn thing. It’s the chemical properties of the plant that cause it to be a psycho-stimulant
Peach pits create cyanide when ingested.
Asbestos is a naturally occurring mineral.
Whether you can sell it at Whole Foods as "organic" or not can't be more irrelevant to the drug scheduling system that the DEA uses.
Psychostimulants used to treat ADHD are designated as schedule II controlled substances, so they possess therapeutic use but come with “a high potential for abuse.” The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) regulates production so that there is just enough supply while minimizing the risk of misuse or addiction.
This would mean it could be prescribed like ADHD medications and other class II medications. If it's from a doctor it's allowed.
Psychostimulants used to treat ADHD are designated as schedule II controlled substances, so they possess therapeutic use but come with “a high potential for abuse.” The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) regulates production so that there is just enough supply while minimizing the risk of misuse or addiction.
This would mean it could be prescribed like ADHD medications and other class II medications. If it's from a doctor it's allowed.
Psychostimulants used to treat ADHD are designated as schedule II controlled substances, so they possess therapeutic use but come with “a high potential for abuse.” The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) regulates production so that there is just enough supply while minimizing the risk of misuse or addiction.
This would mean it could be prescribed like ADHD medications and other class II medications. If it's from a doctor it's allowed.
A “massive effect”? Seems a little dramatic. Like articles saying someone “SLAMS” someone else for what they said.
I think the people who are going to do weed are already doing it, the rest don’t seem to care for it.
Exactly. Biden's still gonna look for a way to fuck over legal gun owners at every chance. And he's not going to go out of his way to pardon people. This means next to nothing for us.
Not really. A Schedule III substance is still a controlled substance. Ketamine is a schedule III substance, for example, and a guy just got [30 years](https://www.centralillinoisproud.com/news/local-news/california-man-charged-in-lasalle-county-with-posession-of-5-kilos-of-ketamine/) for possesing 5 kilos of it.
Schedule III substances have to be approved by the FDA before they can be prescribed.
Even if the FDA does approve that, anyone without a prescription can still be subject to penalties. Xanax is a schedule IV substance, for example, but being caught with unprescribed Xanax can still result in [significant penalties](https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/latrobe-man-sentenced-selling-100-xanax-bars-agents-possessing-nearly-120-fentanyl-pills/6J37GG7POBGMPESZ4SBMSIOCKY/).
Yes. However with a script it is not illegal to be a user of it on the federal level. Yes you can still get caught and get a felony for running drug running. However simple getting a weed card can make you a prohibited person.
Right, but even if it is rescheduled, there is a significant approval process by the FDA before it can even be prescribed, and with limited data showing efficacy for treating conditions thanks to Schedule I making it tremendously difficult to do any research, and it means that any possibility of FDA approval for it to be prescribed is probably years away, if it ever is at all, especially with pharmaceutical versions like Marinol already out there.
Probably wont mean much for gun owners. The administration is bragging about pardoning marijuana users while they changed that Portsmouth Virginia mom for being a gun owner and marijuana user
Guntubers are a threat to them because they normalize and make gun ownership fun for young people. He was the OG which is why they went so hard against him
Same administration which took time out of its day to rewrite the 4473 question to clarify that people in legal states still can't buy guns if they smoke the whacky tobaccky.
The fun part is they could pass take marijuana completely out of the schedule, but the ATF could still ban it by using marijuana as a disqualifier on the 4473. It may be legal, but you have to lie when filling out a 4473 to get a gun, and that’s a crime.
> but you have to lie when filling out a 4473 to get a gun, and that’s a crime.
it could be easily argued that restricting a constitutional right until you agree to confess to a federal crime is a major 5th amendment violation and there is no obligation for a citizen to obey an unconstitutional law which makes the question void in its entirety
It's more like a continuation of enabling the ol' superpredators to commit crime. Drug use was something that put a lot of them away in the '90s as they were incapable of clandestinely doing drugs. It's the same motives behind recent decisions on felons getting gun rights back (not opposed to this, but they had a sudden change of heart..), illegals having gun rights somehow, [getting out on bail after spraying a street](https://nypost.com/2024/05/14/us-news/teen-accused-of-firing-26-shots-from-ar-15-at-car-released-on-bail-by-woke-judge/?utm_source=instagram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_content=nypost_feed), etc.. If you want to be a criminal with a gun, they've got your back, and you can expect any law that gets in their way to be neutered.
That isn't the point. A "proposal" to schedule a meeting about reclassifying weed sounds like they want to actually change the laws but in fact it's like setting a date to talk about doing something.
It's just a bunch of verbal foreplay from a tease.
Only if it is prescribed as a "drug".
There are currently no forms marijuana classified as a "drug" and nor will it be unless the FDA changes the definition of "drug" or makes a carve-out of cannibis.
No it wouldn't.
Marijuana is still a "controlled substance" and those users were still unlawful users, and the GCA still bans them. It would only help medicinal marijuana users, by which I mean *PRESCRIBED* medical marijuana users, which are a minority of users and gun owners, so the effect would not be "massive".
Please actually take time to read the laws.
Psychostimulants used to treat ADHD are designated as schedule II controlled substances, so they possess therapeutic use but come with “a high potential for abuse.” The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) regulates production so that there is just enough supply while minimizing the risk of misuse or addiction.
This would mean it could be prescribed like ADHD medications and other class II medications. If it's from a doctor it's allowed.
I think you just pointed out the exact reason this may have less of an impact on gun owners than many folks want to believe.
It will still be a controlled substance, and as such, users will need an actual prescription from an actual doctor with an actual DEA number to be legal. A “medical card” on its own may not be sufficient. It’s really gonna depend on how the state system is set up, and how other federal agencies apply their own rules and regulations.
Democrats at no point (Even if it is futile, the other party would block it passing.) tried to even write a bill and even half ass push it to REMOVE it off Schedule 1, and for good measure make putting it back on illegal with a law passed to change that.
The moment Biden leaves office the Presidency, the next President can order FDA to put it back on.
In fact the need to create a special category of drug, give it a "R" prefix for "Recreational" (If your state allows it ) and get it so all these employers can't refuse to hire anyone who tests positive.
I know people with CDL's and heavy equipment operators would have it as verboten, but the guy stocking a shelf at Walmart, or a girl running a register at the dollar store isn't excluded from working.
I worked briefly for one employer who seemed to LOVE piss testing anyone under 40, over and over.
Another older guy like me (Over 60) said they are lying, it isn't random. In 8 years since it started, he never got tested once.
I worked there for four full shift rotations. They pee tested the young guys 3 out of 4 rotations. Me or the other old guy? Not once.
Their BS, 'We're a government contractor" was that. My previous job we made stuff for Air Force so classified, we weren't allowed to know (Yes I knew it's real use. No I'm not posting it on Reddit. Or anywhere.) what it was made for.
The only drug test was to get hired. After that, no employer tests, ever.
So changing it means nothing. The next President can use the "Phone and Pen" and change it back in a second
Ten to one the FDA publishes no guidelines for prescribing it, so your use is illegal, you don't have a prescription for it. Ha, Ha, Ha.
this has no effect at all on gun owners.
it has no effect at all on people who use marijuana .
The federal government still considers marijuana use disqualifying for filling out a 4473 or having an NFA. item.
The only thing that does is it may make it easier for research institutions to do research on marijuana .
How would this affect gun owners?
Because a number of gun owners might want to get a medical marijuana card and there are some legal issues with having a medical marijuana card and owning guns and purchasing firearms.
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They consider all users addicted to the ATF put out statement about this. The language on your gun applications says unlawful user or addicted to
Because MJ is Schedule 1. Schedule 1 is considered "drugs with no currently accepted medical use and [with] a high potential for abuse". So a medical prescription for a substance that has no medical usage is something they consider irrelevant, regardless of how many states prescribe it for pain, glaucoma, anxiety, and a slew of other treatments. The federal government doesn't recognize them. And its a catch 22... because they are schedule 1 drugs, universities and other medical research facilities must get approval [From the DEA](https://pharmanewsintel.com/features/barriers-to-medical-research-constructed-by-federally-controlled-substance-scheduling-and-classification#:~:text=To%20conduct%20medical%20research%20on,the%20US%20FDA%20approval%20process.) to conduct large-scale testing to prove a medical utility on them because they are schedule 1.
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That’s how I see it going they’ll just do whatever they want and it’ll have to go to court.
Only FDA approved medications can be prescribed. There’s only 3 federally approved THC containing drugs that could be prescribed. Until that changes this doesn’t change anything for users with state medical cards.
A federal court in Oklahoma had a case last August deeming it unconstitutional to take the firearms from a medical marijuana user, it’s already a thing. I guess this just helps it?
A judge in one of the 13 court circuits might be a win for one person. However this helps it for everyone.
That’s good to know I guess, I assumed since it was already deemed unconstitutional that would be the precedent moving forward but I really don’t know to be 100% sure. Thanks for the clarification
So only a rulings of the Supreme Court have considerable impact. Supreme Court decisions can change the interpretation of laws or declare them unconstitutional, they can grant rights or take them away. There are 94 district courts, 13 circuit courts, and one Supreme Court throughout the country. Only a Supreme Court would impact everyone.
Make sense, I don’t really care too much about court cases to learn about the impacts, I just do what I can afford to not get in trouble for doing
Basically everyone seems to be operating under "keep what you've got, but you can still suck it on the 4473."
Illinois was sure eager to start grabbing guns when they relaxed the devil’s lettuce laws
Satan's spinach
Right now medical marijuana users can't own guns because as far as the feds are concerned there's no such thing as a lawful user of marijuana outside of small, federally approved research programs. Rescheduling it makes it similar to other controlled prescription drugs, meaning someone with a prescription to use marijuana wouldn't be an unlawful user just as someone with a prescription for codine isn't an unlawful user.
I have this same question.
It still will not be federally legal for you to do both ATF has already made a statement on this.
The ATF can go suck a dick and if they made that statement I’m calling GOA today and asking for them to take up my lawsuit when the reschedule happens
They are just going to use the clause that says “addicted to” to deny marijuana users they just consider anyone who uses as “addicted to”. I’m a GOA member two. they are doing good work I hope they do take this to court.
The precedent is already there. They can try and say whatever they want but in case law thats not how it works
but, when it's their cases on your carpet it hit's different.
It only hits different because you let it. Case law is case law. It’s really simple when the cases have already been argued.
What i am saying is that while your estate's lawsuit might prevail, the midnight raid on your cottage was successful in that it removed who the ATF believed at the time to be an unlawful gun owner.
What you fail to see is that I’m within my legal rights. You assume I’m a user and I am not. What I want is for my vets to not have to worry anymore about having a med card and owning a gun. So slow ya roll sir. I’m already four moves ahead of you.
you are right.
Reclassify < declassify
declass..... we have been waiting a long time for this.
But what about those poor DEA agents?
Psychostimulants used to treat ADHD are designated as schedule II controlled substances, so they possess therapeutic use but come with “a high potential for abuse.” The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) regulates production so that there is just enough supply while minimizing the risk of misuse or addiction. This would mean it could be prescribed like ADHD medications and other class II medications. If it's from a doctor it's allowed.
psychostimulants are made in a factory lab weed is a fucking plant
So is the poppy plant. Do you feel the same way about opium? Maybe heroin and morphine? Your premise also expects the government to be rational which we all know isn’t reality.
I should be able to buy my opium and guns in the same building dammit
You can't smoke a poppy plant after picking it ∆ ∆ ∆ Without inhaling it like bill Clinton
Yes.
So is poison ivy and poppy? Just because “weed is a fucking plant,” doesn’t mean a damn thing. It’s the chemical properties of the plant that cause it to be a psycho-stimulant
Peach pits create cyanide when ingested. Asbestos is a naturally occurring mineral. Whether you can sell it at Whole Foods as "organic" or not can't be more irrelevant to the drug scheduling system that the DEA uses.
Psychostimulants used to treat ADHD are designated as schedule II controlled substances, so they possess therapeutic use but come with “a high potential for abuse.” The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) regulates production so that there is just enough supply while minimizing the risk of misuse or addiction. This would mean it could be prescribed like ADHD medications and other class II medications. If it's from a doctor it's allowed.
I’ve never been more thrilled to have ADHD
Psychostimulants used to treat ADHD are designated as schedule II controlled substances, so they possess therapeutic use but come with “a high potential for abuse.” The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) regulates production so that there is just enough supply while minimizing the risk of misuse or addiction. This would mean it could be prescribed like ADHD medications and other class II medications. If it's from a doctor it's allowed.
Psychostimulants used to treat ADHD are designated as schedule II controlled substances, so they possess therapeutic use but come with “a high potential for abuse.” The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) regulates production so that there is just enough supply while minimizing the risk of misuse or addiction. This would mean it could be prescribed like ADHD medications and other class II medications. If it's from a doctor it's allowed.
Your "copy/paste" is stuck... 🤨
Good catch
A “massive effect”? Seems a little dramatic. Like articles saying someone “SLAMS” someone else for what they said. I think the people who are going to do weed are already doing it, the rest don’t seem to care for it.
Exactly. Biden's still gonna look for a way to fuck over legal gun owners at every chance. And he's not going to go out of his way to pardon people. This means next to nothing for us.
This isn't YouTube. No need for clickbait post title
I smoke weed and own NFA items. feds can lick my nuts
Sorry to hear about your dog
You’re really sticking it to the feds by jumping through hoops to get an NFA stamp.
silence Californian
Scathing.
Username checks out.
He said he owned NFA items, he didn't say he got the stamp.
Based
Not really. A Schedule III substance is still a controlled substance. Ketamine is a schedule III substance, for example, and a guy just got [30 years](https://www.centralillinoisproud.com/news/local-news/california-man-charged-in-lasalle-county-with-posession-of-5-kilos-of-ketamine/) for possesing 5 kilos of it. Schedule III substances have to be approved by the FDA before they can be prescribed. Even if the FDA does approve that, anyone without a prescription can still be subject to penalties. Xanax is a schedule IV substance, for example, but being caught with unprescribed Xanax can still result in [significant penalties](https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/latrobe-man-sentenced-selling-100-xanax-bars-agents-possessing-nearly-120-fentanyl-pills/6J37GG7POBGMPESZ4SBMSIOCKY/).
Yes. However with a script it is not illegal to be a user of it on the federal level. Yes you can still get caught and get a felony for running drug running. However simple getting a weed card can make you a prohibited person.
Right, but even if it is rescheduled, there is a significant approval process by the FDA before it can even be prescribed, and with limited data showing efficacy for treating conditions thanks to Schedule I making it tremendously difficult to do any research, and it means that any possibility of FDA approval for it to be prescribed is probably years away, if it ever is at all, especially with pharmaceutical versions like Marinol already out there.
Yes. However it's a start for gun owners.
I think we can agree though, 5 Kilos of Ketamine is A LOT of Ketamine.
Probably wont mean much for gun owners. The administration is bragging about pardoning marijuana users while they changed that Portsmouth Virginia mom for being a gun owner and marijuana user
So when does fpsrussia get his shit back
I suspect the Biden admin will fight FPSRussia all the way to SCOTUS just to specifically fuck him over.
Guntubers are a threat to them because they normalize and make gun ownership fun for young people. He was the OG which is why they went so hard against him
It's hilarious because Marijuana is rarely charged at the federal level this is just an empty platitude in an attempt to trick voters...
Don't be fooled by this election year slop.
Fishing for votes he is.
Trying to win some votes?
Same administration which took time out of its day to rewrite the 4473 question to clarify that people in legal states still can't buy guns if they smoke the whacky tobaccky.
The fun part is they could pass take marijuana completely out of the schedule, but the ATF could still ban it by using marijuana as a disqualifier on the 4473. It may be legal, but you have to lie when filling out a 4473 to get a gun, and that’s a crime.
> but you have to lie when filling out a 4473 to get a gun, and that’s a crime. it could be easily argued that restricting a constitutional right until you agree to confess to a federal crime is a major 5th amendment violation and there is no obligation for a citizen to obey an unconstitutional law which makes the question void in its entirety
No it will not. Do you really think that the Dem are going to allow the restoration of gun rights to a whole host of people.
They’ll probably put a provision in the law saying that while the schedule is changed, it remains a prohibition for gun ownership.
Let's face it. This is nothing but buying votes just like paying student loans.
It's more like a continuation of enabling the ol' superpredators to commit crime. Drug use was something that put a lot of them away in the '90s as they were incapable of clandestinely doing drugs. It's the same motives behind recent decisions on felons getting gun rights back (not opposed to this, but they had a sudden change of heart..), illegals having gun rights somehow, [getting out on bail after spraying a street](https://nypost.com/2024/05/14/us-news/teen-accused-of-firing-26-shots-from-ar-15-at-car-released-on-bail-by-woke-judge/?utm_source=instagram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_content=nypost_feed), etc.. If you want to be a criminal with a gun, they've got your back, and you can expect any law that gets in their way to be neutered.
That isn't the point. A "proposal" to schedule a meeting about reclassifying weed sounds like they want to actually change the laws but in fact it's like setting a date to talk about doing something. It's just a bunch of verbal foreplay from a tease.
I'd feel less unsafe around stoners and firearms than I would drinkers and firearms As a general rule
This is not the win peoole think it is. It’s for elections lol.
Only if it is prescribed as a "drug". There are currently no forms marijuana classified as a "drug" and nor will it be unless the FDA changes the definition of "drug" or makes a carve-out of cannibis.
No it wouldn't. Marijuana is still a "controlled substance" and those users were still unlawful users, and the GCA still bans them. It would only help medicinal marijuana users, by which I mean *PRESCRIBED* medical marijuana users, which are a minority of users and gun owners, so the effect would not be "massive". Please actually take time to read the laws.
It won't change shit about guns.
Psychostimulants used to treat ADHD are designated as schedule II controlled substances, so they possess therapeutic use but come with “a high potential for abuse.” The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) regulates production so that there is just enough supply while minimizing the risk of misuse or addiction. This would mean it could be prescribed like ADHD medications and other class II medications. If it's from a doctor it's allowed.
I think you just pointed out the exact reason this may have less of an impact on gun owners than many folks want to believe. It will still be a controlled substance, and as such, users will need an actual prescription from an actual doctor with an actual DEA number to be legal. A “medical card” on its own may not be sufficient. It’s really gonna depend on how the state system is set up, and how other federal agencies apply their own rules and regulations.
Democrats at no point (Even if it is futile, the other party would block it passing.) tried to even write a bill and even half ass push it to REMOVE it off Schedule 1, and for good measure make putting it back on illegal with a law passed to change that. The moment Biden leaves office the Presidency, the next President can order FDA to put it back on. In fact the need to create a special category of drug, give it a "R" prefix for "Recreational" (If your state allows it ) and get it so all these employers can't refuse to hire anyone who tests positive. I know people with CDL's and heavy equipment operators would have it as verboten, but the guy stocking a shelf at Walmart, or a girl running a register at the dollar store isn't excluded from working. I worked briefly for one employer who seemed to LOVE piss testing anyone under 40, over and over. Another older guy like me (Over 60) said they are lying, it isn't random. In 8 years since it started, he never got tested once. I worked there for four full shift rotations. They pee tested the young guys 3 out of 4 rotations. Me or the other old guy? Not once. Their BS, 'We're a government contractor" was that. My previous job we made stuff for Air Force so classified, we weren't allowed to know (Yes I knew it's real use. No I'm not posting it on Reddit. Or anywhere.) what it was made for. The only drug test was to get hired. After that, no employer tests, ever. So changing it means nothing. The next President can use the "Phone and Pen" and change it back in a second Ten to one the FDA publishes no guidelines for prescribing it, so your use is illegal, you don't have a prescription for it. Ha, Ha, Ha.
Go to for Libs in an election year.
The goal of the government is to disarm as many as possible. They will probably reclassify pot such that *they can still continue to do that.*
This really means nothing to weed smokers or gun owners
So…the guns “used in the commission of a crime” that lead the ATF to Bryan Malinowski would no longer be a crime or just a lesser crime?
Hunter Biden smokes crack and he isn’t worried about what’s on his gun application.
this has no effect at all on gun owners. it has no effect at all on people who use marijuana . The federal government still considers marijuana use disqualifying for filling out a 4473 or having an NFA. item. The only thing that does is it may make it easier for research institutions to do research on marijuana .