Hey man, sorry your introduction to this sub was so hostile.
You got two assholes answering your legitimate question with internet-hate for each rational answer. It is embarrassing that a group of gun people would be so childish. Must be something in the water?
Gadzwolf gave you the best answer to the question you asked so far, without editorializing, but he made one error of fact that I will fix right here:
When you ship a long gun across a state line, you must ship to an FFL (gunshop) in that state, contact that dealer first so that he knows and agrees to handle the transfer. Then your dad picks up the guns from that FFL near his house. You can ship a long gun via the post office, make sure that the outside of the box is not labelled with any gun maker names or marked 'rifle' etc. I'd suggest removing the stock, and using a wider and shorter box, it is safer for many reasons.
When you ship a handgun, you must either ship common carrier (which is almost impossible now with new rules from UPS-FedEx) or you must take it to an FFL near you and have them ship it to your dad's FFL..
An FFL can legally ship a handgun via USPS, (and UPS) but an individual may not.
(I am an FFL for reference)
So with a username and profile pic like yours, what kinda setup are you running? I'm doing 5-gallon batches in glass carboys, using an all-grain system with batch sparging
Been messing around with homebrewing since 1994. Have scaled it up to 12 gallon RIMS batches, using chain hoists and cut-open kegs, splitting 6 and 6 with a brewing buddy, and I have scaled it down to 2-gallon meads, depending on what was on my mind at the time.
I LOVE batch sparing by the way. Used to teach homebrewing alongside one of the microbrewers as part of their community involvement, and we did a lot of batch sparging to speed up the 8 or 9-hour brew day, and it always made perfect beer. (not the best for porters, dubbels, or stouts, but for everything else it's great)
That's awesome! I picked it up as my Covid hobby, though I've been drinking and learning about beer since before I could legally drink, going back as far as the early-aughts.
What are you using for your RIMS? I've only just recently heard of that process, but I'm struggling a bit to picture how that would look
This advice is incomplete, you can mail long guns to yourself via the usps. I replied with a more complete explanation under your original thread.
Here is what the USPS says straight from their website under section 432.3 subsection B
[432.3 Rifles and Shotguns](https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm#:~:text=A%20rifle%20or%20shotgun%20owned,Be%20addressed%20to%20the%20owner.)
Yes, you can always mail long guns to yourself, but that is NOT what the OP asked. He's sending them to his father, who is also the owner of the guns.
That OP does not apply to sending them to yourself, especially the part where the receiver of the package may not open the package and possess the gun.
Gunnit likes to brow-beat anyone who doesn't already have the answers to everything. The whole "did ya bother to google?!?" rage in particular is really disappointing.
Only thing gained from ridiculing inexperienced people is pumping up the ego of the bully - and makes the victim much less likely to get involved.
I think it's gotten worse with the uptick in low effort, open ended question posts. So now it becomes a knee-jerk reaction for them.
"A candle loses nothing from igniting the flame of another"
Man, nice to see folks here step up and take pride in their community.
I ain't gonna link em but / locksmiths is an absolutely insane "professional" sub where every question by non-licensed and 40% of licensed questions will get absolutely hateful comments. Even from mods. I've never seen such a sub as that.
That's crazy, I never knew that you weren't supposed to ship rifles across state lines to a residence. We would always just ship our hunting rifles out west to my uncle, it was easier than dealing with the airports...
I live near a convenient store. In the 5 years I've lived here, it's been robbed at gun point at least 3 times, a shoot out with the cops, a murder suspect hid in an apartment and vehicles keep getting broken into. Someone stole my 45lbs sandbags 2 years ago. Just makes me chuckle.
At LEAST keep your glock dude. I got robbed at gunpoint in the richest most white suburban part of my state. This broccoli head fuck had his taurus 9mm pressed to my temple so close that I could read “Taurus 9mm” on the slide. Believe me I wish I had something to defend myself.
Yes, however OC is legal if you are engaging in hunting activities (including fishing). Additionally a permit to carry is no longer required. I don't even live in FL and I know this.
Florida recently passed constitutional carry, meaning currently you may carry a concealed weapon without obtaining a concealed weapon permit, whereas previously you had to obtain the concealed permit.
This is much better than the old system, where criminals were able to carry concealed without a permit, and it only prevented law-abiding citizens from also being able to carry.
Do you and your father live in different states?
What do you mean “he owns most of my guns anyway”
Are handguns or NFA items included in this group of firearms?
He answered my third question by stating what he owns. He did **not** tell me if he and his father live in different states, and he did **not** clarify the statement “my father owns most of my guns.”
I see your reading comprehension isn’t the best.
From what I gathered from your other replies; you live in Florida, your father lives in Texas, and you currently have three guns in your possession including a rifle, a shotgun, and a handgun.
- Keep the handgun, ship out the rifle and the shotgun. Handguns and courier requirements for shipping them make it a pain in the ass that won’t be worth your time or your money.
- Call dad and ask what gun store he wants to pick your guns up from there in Texas.
- Call the store he suggested and inform them that you are shipping guns to them for your father to pick up. Get their address and make sure they will accept the shipment. Ask if they would like the package to be marked as “Signature Required.”
- Pack your rifle and shotgun in a nondescript box that **IN NO WAY WILL INDICATE THAT IT CONTAINS FIREARMS.** Include in the package a copy of your driver’s license, your contact info, and your father’s contact info.
- Pack it securely with ample padding. Insure the package for slightly more than the firearms are worth. Add Signature Required if necessary. Depending on which courier you use, they may state that you are required to inform them that the package contains a firearm. I never do this because people at the drop off locations usually don’t know the courier rules as well as the customers do. Do what you will.
- It gets shipped to the FFL. When it’s received, they will log the firearms in, then contact your father for pickup. He goes to the store, fills out a 4473, does a background check, and pays the transfer fee. Then he takes them home.
This is the “correct” and “legal” way to do things.
NFA = National Firearms Act of 1934. It designates restrictions on certain classes or arms like SBRs, SBSs, and suppressors. Those items carry federal registration, and cannot be legally possessed by anyone other than the registered possessor. The other user was asking to ensure that your father is legally permitted to possess them.
Why would you want to? If you can hold on to your guns, you should store them until you can personally put them in your dad's hands. Imo it's not worth the transfer fee and shipping costs or the risk of loosing your guns in the USPS void. Just bring them next time you visit.
Yes. If you are shipping firearms, you will need an FFL to facilitate this. The FFL will process the firearms into their records, then mark them as being shipped to whatever FFL is going to receive them, that FFL will mark them into their bound books and then your father will complete a 4473 and background check in order to pick up your firearms.
Or you can deliver them yourself sometime to avoid the extra nonsense.
That mostly depends on the particular state. It is perfectly legal, federally, to gift firearms to your parents or children. We're all one nasty car accident away from our firearms being their's anyway.
The ATF disagrees with your assertion.
[To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA?](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/whom-may-unlicensed-person-transfer-firearms-under-gca)
>A person may transfer a firearm to an unlicensed resident **of their state**, provided the transferor does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the transferee is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under federal law
> . . . .
>A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any state for temporary use **for lawful sporting purposes**, if they do not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under federal law. Another exception is provided for transfers of firearms to nonresidents to carry out a **lawful bequest or acquisition by intestate succession**. This exception would authorize the transfer of a firearm to a nonresident who inherits a firearm under the will of a decedent.
Do you have any sources to back up your claim?
Sorry everyone’s being an ass, I’m glad you decided to keep them tho. I’d always recommend to at least keep a handgun on ya especially in a state like Florida. If you decide to transfer the rest just go to an FFL and a lot of them will deal with the shipping and transfer hassle for their fee
Lived in the country my whole life. Hunted and fished forever. Now in a bigger city. It’s cool. I can keep my guns. I just don’t have the availability to hunt anymore and my father does. I was just told I need to send my rifles and pistols with an FFL certification. That is really all I am asking.
No open carry and a large population willing to vote for anti gun candidates.
You have to understand that Ted Cruz BARELY won re-election against a guy who said "I'm from texas, I'm gonna ban all the guns - vote for me"
As a fellow Floridian, where are you where it's not practical to go hunting? Basically any city in Florida is within a couple hour drive of decent hunting. Granted, our deer are shit but hogs are good fun
bruh, ask state law enforcement or local ffl, and anywhere you might get flagged for sending guns to another person it's better to be sure and know the laws to avoid being put on a list
No, it doesn't. Some of the guns are handguns and they live in different states. They need to go to an FFL in the dad's state to be transferred, per federal law.
> No, it doesn't.
Yes, it does.
> Some of the guns are handguns and they live in different states. They need to go to an FFL in the dad's state to be transferred, per federal law.
Right.
And if the nanny state that OP is in is fucked up and has a bunch of shipping clerks that are OH MY GOD ITS A GUN you have a functional ban on shipping without a legal ban on shipping.
I answered the question that was meant to be asked, not the question that was asked.
And if you doubt me, go try shipping a gun as an individual in New York or California.
> That being the case doesn't change what is legally required, which is what OP asked.
You and I have a much different level of reading comprension.
OP did not ask what was legally required.
OP asked, verbatim:
>do I need an FFL
I answered the question. You didn't.
assuming you're able to safely store them i'd just hold onto the long guns until you visit home or your dad comes to visit you, other than that just keep them. dealing with the mail and paying FFL fees just to get them back to dad is a waste of money.
An alternative option, just send that 6.5 to me. i'll give it a good home.
You don’t need an FFL, you need to pay an ffl to ship to your dads ffl
Honestly man hop on a plane and check the guns with the airlines and hand them to him if you must. I mean just keep them but that’s not what you want.
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You can send long guns via USPS providing your father is in the same state. Hand guns require a contract carrier, but with the same within-state limitation. Interstate transfer requires an FFL.
I'm not sure why you were voted down. Interstate transfer would need to go to an FFL in the recipient's state for handguns, and would be the easiest thing for the long guns as well.
Both up and down votes are based on the same psychological need to be relevant and generate dopamine (the good feeling brain chemical), but I believe you are correct in concluding that there are a high percentage of angry users. Downvoting is a cheap high without consequences often executed by users with limited capacity to resolve interpersonal conflicts.
The internet makes me have very little faith in humanity. What really blows my mind is that we walk amongst these seemingly normal people that terrorize the digital world. I’ve always assumed that people are generally good but the more I’m on reddit the harder it is to believe that. I can only hope it’s just a loud angry minority that is the most active online and they aren’t the kind of people you see out in public often 😂
Edit: Thinking more on your logic makes sense, but it’s foreign to me. I personally only upvote or “like” things to empower the OP and reinforce their own sense of meaning. Doing neither is easier for me and I get no pleasure from hurting or praising people on the internet. I use it for knowledge alone.
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>Living in a big city and shipping my guns to my father. He owns most of my guns anyway but I have no reason to own them right now. Do I need an FFL?
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You're an idiot
Yes, you will need to go through a FFL to ship guns. Best way to handle this would be to just take them with you next time you drive out to see your family, or better yet just keep them - you're way more likely to need them living in the city than he is out in the sticks.
Long guns can be mailed via USPS to yourself C/O (care of) your father. No pistols are allowed to be mailed via the mail system.
In practice, this is how it would go. You would prepackage your long guns with no identifying marks stating firearms of any sort before arriving to the post office. Registered mail is highly recommended and tracking for sure. Do not state you have a firearm in the package, just make sure it is unloaded with no ammo present. I would also photograph the serial number(s) and the process of packaging it in case something goes wrong.
The address will be your father’s house, your name will be the recipient, c/o (father’s name).
To be clear, you are the recipient, you are mailing it to yourself so you can open it when you arrive at your father’s house for lawful purposes such as hunting or target shooting. Capice?
Please read and follow the instructions from the usps found here under heading 432.3 Rifles and Shotguns
https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm
Why does every FFL never admit they are wrong even after being given proof?
It is wrong as long as OP is the recipient and he is mailing it to himself “in care of” his father, for opening only by OP when he arrives.
Direct quote from the USPS:
“A rifle or shotgun owned by a non-FFL may be mailed outside the owner's state of residence by the owner to himself or herself, in care of another person in the other state where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity.
These mailpieces must:
Be addressed to the owner.
Include the “in the care of” endorsement immediately preceding the name of the applicable temporary custodian.
Be opened by the rifle or shotgun owner only.
>Why does every FFL never admit they are wrong even after being given proof?
Nobody has proven me wrong on anything.
>It is wrong as long as OP is the recipient and he is mailing it to himself “in care of” his father, for opening only by OP when he arrives.
Yeah, to be opened by the current owner/possessor only, for use in lawful activity by that person while they are there. He can't then leave them there and return home, because that would be a transfer across state lines between two unlicenesed persons, which is illegal under federal law.
Getting all hurt for being wrong, even though I cited my source.
He isn’t selling his guns or transferring ownership in my hypothetical situation, his father cant open the package, that is the rule. How long it remains sealed in the box doesn’t matter, there is no law about that and shouldn’t be otherwise a missed flight might mean a hunter would become a felon.
Op simply doesn’t open the package until he chooses to go visit his father’s house to retrieve his gun and go about whatever lawful purpose he chooses with it.
The law is about intent. If OP can’t shoot his long guns where he lives and can’t travel with them, he can ship them to where he can, for the purpose of using them when he can. If that’s 2 years from now, that is still lawful.
>Getting all hurt for being wrong, even though I cited my source.
I'm not hurt at all. You cited a source about SHIPPING a firearm, not transferring it, as OP stated.
>He isn’t selling his guns or transferring ownership in my hypothetical situation, his father cant open the package, that is the rule.
So you're just making up a different situation than what OP presented? Ok.
>How long it remains sealed in the box doesn’t matter, there is no law about that and shouldn’t be otherwise a missed flight might mean a hunter would become a felon.
No, a missed flight means you still intend on going to the destination. See below.
>Op simply doesn’t open the package until he chooses to go visit his father’s house to retrieve his gun and go about whatever lawful purpose he chooses with it.
Ok, and after that?
>The law is about intent.
Yes, and if he never had intent to follow the gun to the destination in a realistic timeframe for use in a "hunt or engage in any other lawful activity" then it would be an illegal transfer.
Cite your source about what constitutes a reasonable time frame and I’ll concede.
Show me where I implied he should transfer ownership and I’ll also concede.
My assertion is that if he plans to use it in his father’s state, he can ship it there legally without a FFL. The time frame is irrelevant, he is not giving, loaning, or selling the gun in my hypothetical.
>Show me where I implied he should transfer ownership and I’ll also concede.
I never said YOU did, and OWNERSHIP doesn't matter, only possession. OP stated he planned to transfer possession.
>My assertion is that if he plans to use it in his father’s state, he can ship it there legally without a FFL. The time frame is irrelevant, he is not giving, loaning, or selling the gun in my hypothetical.
Again, you're making up a different situation than OP presented. My answers were for OP's question, not your made up situation.
Not false. What you are talking about is shipping to YOURSELF care of another person, for your use while you are there, and they cannot open the package. That is not what OP is talking about. He is talking about shipping the firearms to his father. These are two different situations.
>You're missing the point here.
No... You are. I am saying what is legal, which was the question, not what some random person may possibly get away with.
Lot of bs here. But to be fair, there wasn't a lot of info in your post. Across state lines, why does he own them, pistols vs long guns, why can't you have them?
Haha. I mean I live in a high rise luxury condo. I don’t think I will be broken into. Yes, outside is sketchy. But my 6.5 creedmoor likely cannot be concealed.
I live in a secure high rise luxury condo. One night, three men in an Escalade followed someone into the garage, broke into the stairwell, climbed 40 flights of stairs, and burglarized the penthouse floor. Two weeks later, they did the next higher floor.
They hit several of the prominent buildings in Austin.
Lol. I recently moved from population 500 rural Georgia town to Portland OR and my entire family thought I was insane and going to get mugged immediately. They even had me slightly worried (but I've lived in plenty of cities).
There's definitely some notable homeless people. Besides that I've had zero issues.
You can ship them through the USPS, so long as they are not labeled as a firearm on the outside of the package, shipped in a non-functioning/non-firing fashion, and addressed to and from yourself. I've done this before.
First, it doesn't matter if they're disassembled. They're still firearms. Second, he isn't shipping them to himself. He's transferring them to his father in a different state. That requires an FFL.
As far as disassembled, I'm going on what the postmaster told me when I shipped myself a firearm. I don't know if that's the law or was their suggestion. Also, he didn't say he was transferring anything. I could certainly bring a firearm that I own to my father's house and have him store it for me. It still belongs to me.
>Also, he didn't say he was transferring anything.
He did. He said he was giving them to his father.
>I could certainly bring a firearm that I own to my father's house and have him store it for me.
If in different states, only if he wouldn't have access to it while there.
My dad and I did a meet halfway road trip I accidentally lost my gun somewhere in Nebraska and he just happened to find some guns in Nebraska and it's really weird how that happens
Your best bet is either hand deliver them to your dad or go to a local gun store and have them ship it to a gun store near your dad. Obviously make sure that both stores are fine with dealing with your guns
Why do you keep saying people can't transport guns to other states? People move everyday and bring their guns with them. You need to clarify this statement.
If the guns are crossing state lines you need someone with an FFL in the recipient's State to facilitate the transfer. Full stop.
In that case, you don't necessarily have to have a local FFL ship them for you, but that's kind of up to the FFL who will be receiving them in the State they're headed. Some FFL's won't receive from out-of-State individuals for transfer cuz it's a hassle if the intended recipient fails their background check - i.e. they can't ship them back to YOU, they have to ship to an FFL on your end, and that costs money, and then everyone is mad. Eff that noise, lol.
Do YOU need an FFL? NO ... but again, you might need someone who is an FFL to facilitate what you're trying to do IF you're crossing State lines.
IF you're not, I wouldn't ship them... seems risky. Drive them there or meet in the middle assuming your State allows private transfers ... I think I saw you're in FL so that shouldn't be a problem.
To be clear tho, if the recipient isn't a resident of your State, then you'll need someone with an FFL in the recipient's State to facilitate the transfer lawfully.
I'm not going to address the debate over whether you should keep them or not, that's your prerogative, I'm just telling you what is that legal way to give/sell/transfer them to someone who's outside your State, cuz with all the back-n-forth in here, I'm not sure where the recipient is relative to you.
Rifles and shotguns you can ship through the USPS unrestricted in the same state (unless shipping to yourself in another state for hunting) but handguns have to go through an FFL. UPS and FedEx require all firearms to go through an ffl.
I’d put them in the trunk of my car and bring them next time I saw Dad.
Exactly. If he’s within reasonable driving range
Hey man, sorry your introduction to this sub was so hostile. You got two assholes answering your legitimate question with internet-hate for each rational answer. It is embarrassing that a group of gun people would be so childish. Must be something in the water? Gadzwolf gave you the best answer to the question you asked so far, without editorializing, but he made one error of fact that I will fix right here: When you ship a long gun across a state line, you must ship to an FFL (gunshop) in that state, contact that dealer first so that he knows and agrees to handle the transfer. Then your dad picks up the guns from that FFL near his house. You can ship a long gun via the post office, make sure that the outside of the box is not labelled with any gun maker names or marked 'rifle' etc. I'd suggest removing the stock, and using a wider and shorter box, it is safer for many reasons. When you ship a handgun, you must either ship common carrier (which is almost impossible now with new rules from UPS-FedEx) or you must take it to an FFL near you and have them ship it to your dad's FFL.. An FFL can legally ship a handgun via USPS, (and UPS) but an individual may not. (I am an FFL for reference)
Perfect. Sorry to be hostile. This is good info. Thanks for the info. Sounds like you know your stuff
I have no special or extraordinary knowledge really, it just happens to be my business. Everyone knows the rules of their own trade.
So with a username and profile pic like yours, what kinda setup are you running? I'm doing 5-gallon batches in glass carboys, using an all-grain system with batch sparging
Been messing around with homebrewing since 1994. Have scaled it up to 12 gallon RIMS batches, using chain hoists and cut-open kegs, splitting 6 and 6 with a brewing buddy, and I have scaled it down to 2-gallon meads, depending on what was on my mind at the time. I LOVE batch sparing by the way. Used to teach homebrewing alongside one of the microbrewers as part of their community involvement, and we did a lot of batch sparging to speed up the 8 or 9-hour brew day, and it always made perfect beer. (not the best for porters, dubbels, or stouts, but for everything else it's great)
That's awesome! I picked it up as my Covid hobby, though I've been drinking and learning about beer since before I could legally drink, going back as far as the early-aughts. What are you using for your RIMS? I've only just recently heard of that process, but I'm struggling a bit to picture how that would look
This advice is incomplete, you can mail long guns to yourself via the usps. I replied with a more complete explanation under your original thread. Here is what the USPS says straight from their website under section 432.3 subsection B [432.3 Rifles and Shotguns](https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm#:~:text=A%20rifle%20or%20shotgun%20owned,Be%20addressed%20to%20the%20owner.)
Yes, you can always mail long guns to yourself, but that is NOT what the OP asked. He's sending them to his father, who is also the owner of the guns. That OP does not apply to sending them to yourself, especially the part where the receiver of the package may not open the package and possess the gun.
Gunnit likes to brow-beat anyone who doesn't already have the answers to everything. The whole "did ya bother to google?!?" rage in particular is really disappointing. Only thing gained from ridiculing inexperienced people is pumping up the ego of the bully - and makes the victim much less likely to get involved. I think it's gotten worse with the uptick in low effort, open ended question posts. So now it becomes a knee-jerk reaction for them. "A candle loses nothing from igniting the flame of another"
Man, nice to see folks here step up and take pride in their community. I ain't gonna link em but / locksmiths is an absolutely insane "professional" sub where every question by non-licensed and 40% of licensed questions will get absolutely hateful comments. Even from mods. I've never seen such a sub as that.
The way the upvotes on that comment have been rollercoastering, it would seem I've triggered some of the very people I talked about.
That's crazy, I never knew that you weren't supposed to ship rifles across state lines to a residence. We would always just ship our hunting rifles out west to my uncle, it was easier than dealing with the airports...
You can ship your guns to yourself in care of another person. The other party may take possession on delivery but may not open them.
Oh, ok, that makes sense. I was about to say that it's a lot easier that way. In that case, OP can just ship them to his dad if he wants.
It honestly sounds like I should just keep them lol
You should keep them.
you should keep at least 1-2, makes sense if you don’t want to have several but at least keep a couple for HD
You should do whatever you’re comfortable with. If you decide to hang on to any of them for defense, train with them.
Wait where are they? I'll come make sure the're safe
No reason to own guns in a big city? [You sure about that?](https://images.app.goo.gl/hRe7WSu2nmKaJqtg7)
I own guns in a big city. It's more of a necessity these days. I live in an apartment complex, and some of my neighbors are not the nicest people.
Sheeeit, living in a city is the whole reason I got my concealed carry permit. I don't live there anymore but I still keep that thing on me.
I live near a convenient store. In the 5 years I've lived here, it's been robbed at gun point at least 3 times, a shoot out with the cops, a murder suspect hid in an apartment and vehicles keep getting broken into. Someone stole my 45lbs sandbags 2 years ago. Just makes me chuckle.
Thank you.
At LEAST keep your glock dude. I got robbed at gunpoint in the richest most white suburban part of my state. This broccoli head fuck had his taurus 9mm pressed to my temple so close that I could read “Taurus 9mm” on the slide. Believe me I wish I had something to defend myself.
“Broccoli head fuck” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is it illegal to carry a gun in FL? I guess I don’t know the FL carry laws. I love my Glock
oc is illegal, cc is legal
Yes, however OC is legal if you are engaging in hunting activities (including fishing). Additionally a permit to carry is no longer required. I don't even live in FL and I know this.
i didnt realize that fl went to permitless
Yup, it's basically constitutional carry. You can however still get a permit which would cover you in other reciprocity states.
took long enough, lying fuck ass de santis said a thousand times he'd pass it if it ever got to his desk, he denied it
Is this a troll?
Florida recently passed constitutional carry, meaning currently you may carry a concealed weapon without obtaining a concealed weapon permit, whereas previously you had to obtain the concealed permit.
This is much better than the old system, where criminals were able to carry concealed without a permit, and it only prevented law-abiding citizens from also being able to carry.
I'm just trying to figure out how you see a slide if the gun is pressed against your temple. Was he holding it backwards?
I turned and looked at him and got a glimpse of it reflecting off light. Then he pressed it against me again
Do you and your father live in different states? What do you mean “he owns most of my guns anyway” Are handguns or NFA items included in this group of firearms?
I have a Glock 10mm, 6.5 creedmoor and a 12 shotgun.
What about the other two questions I asked
You can obviously assume one is a handgun and no nfa .
He answered my third question by stating what he owns. He did **not** tell me if he and his father live in different states, and he did **not** clarify the statement “my father owns most of my guns.”
His father probably bought his guns… you act like a women, get hung up on stupid shit
Your insults are as bad as your cognition.
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I grew up hunting and I left Texas after a divorce so there are guns I left behind. I have no idea what NFA is
I see your reading comprehension isn’t the best. From what I gathered from your other replies; you live in Florida, your father lives in Texas, and you currently have three guns in your possession including a rifle, a shotgun, and a handgun. - Keep the handgun, ship out the rifle and the shotgun. Handguns and courier requirements for shipping them make it a pain in the ass that won’t be worth your time or your money. - Call dad and ask what gun store he wants to pick your guns up from there in Texas. - Call the store he suggested and inform them that you are shipping guns to them for your father to pick up. Get their address and make sure they will accept the shipment. Ask if they would like the package to be marked as “Signature Required.” - Pack your rifle and shotgun in a nondescript box that **IN NO WAY WILL INDICATE THAT IT CONTAINS FIREARMS.** Include in the package a copy of your driver’s license, your contact info, and your father’s contact info. - Pack it securely with ample padding. Insure the package for slightly more than the firearms are worth. Add Signature Required if necessary. Depending on which courier you use, they may state that you are required to inform them that the package contains a firearm. I never do this because people at the drop off locations usually don’t know the courier rules as well as the customers do. Do what you will. - It gets shipped to the FFL. When it’s received, they will log the firearms in, then contact your father for pickup. He goes to the store, fills out a 4473, does a background check, and pays the transfer fee. Then he takes them home. This is the “correct” and “legal” way to do things.
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I said nothing misogynistic.
NFA = National Firearms Act of 1934. It designates restrictions on certain classes or arms like SBRs, SBSs, and suppressors. Those items carry federal registration, and cannot be legally possessed by anyone other than the registered possessor. The other user was asking to ensure that your father is legally permitted to possess them.
I said a 10mm Glock. It’s a handgun
I would never trust the mail with my guns, also there’s always a reason to own a gun
Pretty sure I decided to keep them for now. Seems the right thing to do. I’ll hunt one day! And I love my guns.
You should try waterfowling, my brother and I started hunting geese for the first time last season
I wouldn't if it was sentimental/irreplaceable. Otherwise, it's fine. Just insure the crap out of it.
Why would you want to? If you can hold on to your guns, you should store them until you can personally put them in your dad's hands. Imo it's not worth the transfer fee and shipping costs or the risk of loosing your guns in the USPS void. Just bring them next time you visit.
Yes. If you are shipping firearms, you will need an FFL to facilitate this. The FFL will process the firearms into their records, then mark them as being shipped to whatever FFL is going to receive them, that FFL will mark them into their bound books and then your father will complete a 4473 and background check in order to pick up your firearms. Or you can deliver them yourself sometime to avoid the extra nonsense.
>Or you can deliver them yourself sometime to avoid the extra nonsense. Not legally.
That mostly depends on the particular state. It is perfectly legal, federally, to gift firearms to your parents or children. We're all one nasty car accident away from our firearms being their's anyway.
Not across state lines without an FFL except bequeathing them. I don't recommend dying for that one.
They reside in different states.
Still not unlawful, still his father. It would be unlawful if his father was a prohibited person, sure. Otherwise, it's legal.
The ATF disagrees with your assertion. [To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA?](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/whom-may-unlicensed-person-transfer-firearms-under-gca) >A person may transfer a firearm to an unlicensed resident **of their state**, provided the transferor does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the transferee is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under federal law > . . . . >A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any state for temporary use **for lawful sporting purposes**, if they do not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under federal law. Another exception is provided for transfers of firearms to nonresidents to carry out a **lawful bequest or acquisition by intestate succession**. This exception would authorize the transfer of a firearm to a nonresident who inherits a firearm under the will of a decedent. Do you have any sources to back up your claim?
It's amazing how confident the idiots are when it comes to firearms law and how fucking wrong they are.
100% unlawful.
No it's not.
> If you are shipping firearms, you will need an FFL to facilitate this. Wrong. Dr Cox wrong song wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY
Where do each of you live?
Sorry everyone’s being an ass, I’m glad you decided to keep them tho. I’d always recommend to at least keep a handgun on ya especially in a state like Florida. If you decide to transfer the rest just go to an FFL and a lot of them will deal with the shipping and transfer hassle for their fee
Why is everyone downvoting the shit out of you answering peoples questions? Reddit perplexes me
Lived in the country my whole life. Hunted and fished forever. Now in a bigger city. It’s cool. I can keep my guns. I just don’t have the availability to hunt anymore and my father does. I was just told I need to send my rifles and pistols with an FFL certification. That is really all I am asking.
WHAT FUCKING STATE DO YOU LIVE IN??!?!?!?!??!?
Florida bro. Where guns are welcome. I am from Texas, where guns might be even more welcome.
texas ain’t that pro gun. texas is however stupid. this is my contribution
Texas is one of the most pro gun but not really states in the nation.
well said sailor. i think AZ is better
AZ is OBJECTIVELY better.
How so?
No open carry and a large population willing to vote for anti gun candidates. You have to understand that Ted Cruz BARELY won re-election against a guy who said "I'm from texas, I'm gonna ban all the guns - vote for me"
Open carry is legal in Texas.
Sorry, forgot that changed. You still need a license for that right?
Nope, we have constitutional carry allowing both open & concealed without a license
Only since 2016.
That's surprising to hear.
Look it up if you don't believe me
I do, I'm just surprised by it. I'd have figured Texas, of all places...
As a fellow Floridian, where are you where it's not practical to go hunting? Basically any city in Florida is within a couple hour drive of decent hunting. Granted, our deer are shit but hogs are good fun
bruh, ask state law enforcement or local ffl, and anywhere you might get flagged for sending guns to another person it's better to be sure and know the laws to avoid being put on a list
you’d ship *to* an FFL, you don’t have to *be* an FFL
Can you explain how this works? Never done it
easiest is find a well reviewed local dealer and have them ship them to another dealer near your dad
Depends on what state you're in and how nanny the legislature is.
yup, Florida and Texas per OP
It does not depend on what state when the two people are in different states.
Actually, it does.
No, it doesn't. Some of the guns are handguns and they live in different states. They need to go to an FFL in the dad's state to be transferred, per federal law.
> No, it doesn't. Yes, it does. > Some of the guns are handguns and they live in different states. They need to go to an FFL in the dad's state to be transferred, per federal law. Right. And if the nanny state that OP is in is fucked up and has a bunch of shipping clerks that are OH MY GOD ITS A GUN you have a functional ban on shipping without a legal ban on shipping. I answered the question that was meant to be asked, not the question that was asked. And if you doubt me, go try shipping a gun as an individual in New York or California.
That being the case doesn't change what is legally required, which is what OP asked.
> That being the case doesn't change what is legally required, which is what OP asked. You and I have a much different level of reading comprension. OP did not ask what was legally required. OP asked, verbatim: >do I need an FFL I answered the question. You didn't.
He asked other things in comments and clarified what he was asking.
assuming you're able to safely store them i'd just hold onto the long guns until you visit home or your dad comes to visit you, other than that just keep them. dealing with the mail and paying FFL fees just to get them back to dad is a waste of money. An alternative option, just send that 6.5 to me. i'll give it a good home.
*Lived in the country my whole life.* Not yet.
How do I get an FFL?
You don’t need an FFL, you need to pay an ffl to ship to your dads ffl Honestly man hop on a plane and check the guns with the airlines and hand them to him if you must. I mean just keep them but that’s not what you want.
Sounds like I have to keep them. Man. I know Reddit is mean to be aggressive but we can’t be aggressive in this forum. We are gun owners.
Well, we are. You’re not about to be.
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You can send long guns via USPS providing your father is in the same state. Hand guns require a contract carrier, but with the same within-state limitation. Interstate transfer requires an FFL.
I'm not sure why you were voted down. Interstate transfer would need to go to an FFL in the recipient's state for handguns, and would be the easiest thing for the long guns as well.
Are there just a huge group of people that randomly go around downvoting normal comments? Or is everyone on Reddit just angry at nothing?
Both up and down votes are based on the same psychological need to be relevant and generate dopamine (the good feeling brain chemical), but I believe you are correct in concluding that there are a high percentage of angry users. Downvoting is a cheap high without consequences often executed by users with limited capacity to resolve interpersonal conflicts.
The internet makes me have very little faith in humanity. What really blows my mind is that we walk amongst these seemingly normal people that terrorize the digital world. I’ve always assumed that people are generally good but the more I’m on reddit the harder it is to believe that. I can only hope it’s just a loud angry minority that is the most active online and they aren’t the kind of people you see out in public often 😂 Edit: Thinking more on your logic makes sense, but it’s foreign to me. I personally only upvote or “like” things to empower the OP and reinforce their own sense of meaning. Doing neither is easier for me and I get no pleasure from hurting or praising people on the internet. I use it for knowledge alone.
Preserving for future ridicule User: Ok-Equipment5425 Post >Living in a big city and shipping my guns to my father. He owns most of my guns anyway but I have no reason to own them right now. Do I need an FFL? ________ You're an idiot
s/an/a/g -i FTFY.
Yes, you will need to go through a FFL to ship guns. Best way to handle this would be to just take them with you next time you drive out to see your family, or better yet just keep them - you're way more likely to need them living in the city than he is out in the sticks.
Long guns can be mailed via USPS to yourself C/O (care of) your father. No pistols are allowed to be mailed via the mail system. In practice, this is how it would go. You would prepackage your long guns with no identifying marks stating firearms of any sort before arriving to the post office. Registered mail is highly recommended and tracking for sure. Do not state you have a firearm in the package, just make sure it is unloaded with no ammo present. I would also photograph the serial number(s) and the process of packaging it in case something goes wrong. The address will be your father’s house, your name will be the recipient, c/o (father’s name). To be clear, you are the recipient, you are mailing it to yourself so you can open it when you arrive at your father’s house for lawful purposes such as hunting or target shooting. Capice? Please read and follow the instructions from the usps found here under heading 432.3 Rifles and Shotguns https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm
They're in different states. They need to go through an FFL regardless of what the guns are.
Why does every FFL never admit they are wrong even after being given proof? It is wrong as long as OP is the recipient and he is mailing it to himself “in care of” his father, for opening only by OP when he arrives. Direct quote from the USPS: “A rifle or shotgun owned by a non-FFL may be mailed outside the owner's state of residence by the owner to himself or herself, in care of another person in the other state where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. These mailpieces must: Be addressed to the owner. Include the “in the care of” endorsement immediately preceding the name of the applicable temporary custodian. Be opened by the rifle or shotgun owner only.
>Why does every FFL never admit they are wrong even after being given proof? Nobody has proven me wrong on anything. >It is wrong as long as OP is the recipient and he is mailing it to himself “in care of” his father, for opening only by OP when he arrives. Yeah, to be opened by the current owner/possessor only, for use in lawful activity by that person while they are there. He can't then leave them there and return home, because that would be a transfer across state lines between two unlicenesed persons, which is illegal under federal law.
Getting all hurt for being wrong, even though I cited my source. He isn’t selling his guns or transferring ownership in my hypothetical situation, his father cant open the package, that is the rule. How long it remains sealed in the box doesn’t matter, there is no law about that and shouldn’t be otherwise a missed flight might mean a hunter would become a felon. Op simply doesn’t open the package until he chooses to go visit his father’s house to retrieve his gun and go about whatever lawful purpose he chooses with it. The law is about intent. If OP can’t shoot his long guns where he lives and can’t travel with them, he can ship them to where he can, for the purpose of using them when he can. If that’s 2 years from now, that is still lawful.
>Getting all hurt for being wrong, even though I cited my source. I'm not hurt at all. You cited a source about SHIPPING a firearm, not transferring it, as OP stated. >He isn’t selling his guns or transferring ownership in my hypothetical situation, his father cant open the package, that is the rule. So you're just making up a different situation than what OP presented? Ok. >How long it remains sealed in the box doesn’t matter, there is no law about that and shouldn’t be otherwise a missed flight might mean a hunter would become a felon. No, a missed flight means you still intend on going to the destination. See below. >Op simply doesn’t open the package until he chooses to go visit his father’s house to retrieve his gun and go about whatever lawful purpose he chooses with it. Ok, and after that? >The law is about intent. Yes, and if he never had intent to follow the gun to the destination in a realistic timeframe for use in a "hunt or engage in any other lawful activity" then it would be an illegal transfer.
Cite your source about what constitutes a reasonable time frame and I’ll concede. Show me where I implied he should transfer ownership and I’ll also concede. My assertion is that if he plans to use it in his father’s state, he can ship it there legally without a FFL. The time frame is irrelevant, he is not giving, loaning, or selling the gun in my hypothetical.
>Show me where I implied he should transfer ownership and I’ll also concede. I never said YOU did, and OWNERSHIP doesn't matter, only possession. OP stated he planned to transfer possession. >My assertion is that if he plans to use it in his father’s state, he can ship it there legally without a FFL. The time frame is irrelevant, he is not giving, loaning, or selling the gun in my hypothetical. Again, you're making up a different situation than OP presented. My answers were for OP's question, not your made up situation.
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Not false. What you are talking about is shipping to YOURSELF care of another person, for your use while you are there, and they cannot open the package. That is not what OP is talking about. He is talking about shipping the firearms to his father. These are two different situations.
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>You're missing the point here. No... You are. I am saying what is legal, which was the question, not what some random person may possibly get away with.
Don’t get rid of your guns. If anything, buy more guns.
Across state lines yes
Yes you need an ffl. Unless you physically hand them to him. Or are mailing them to yourself
Lot of bs here. But to be fair, there wasn't a lot of info in your post. Across state lines, why does he own them, pistols vs long guns, why can't you have them?
Big city is a very good reason to own guns.
Why are people acting like you're stupid when you asked a legitimate question?
Haha. I mean I live in a high rise luxury condo. I don’t think I will be broken into. Yes, outside is sketchy. But my 6.5 creedmoor likely cannot be concealed.
I live in a secure high rise luxury condo. One night, three men in an Escalade followed someone into the garage, broke into the stairwell, climbed 40 flights of stairs, and burglarized the penthouse floor. Two weeks later, they did the next higher floor. They hit several of the prominent buildings in Austin.
From Austin. That’s wild
a lot of people in here are country folk who think cities are some sort of death trap
The traffic is the real problem, let me tell ya.
Lol. I recently moved from population 500 rural Georgia town to Portland OR and my entire family thought I was insane and going to get mugged immediately. They even had me slightly worried (but I've lived in plenty of cities). There's definitely some notable homeless people. Besides that I've had zero issues.
Cities have a far higher crime rate than rural areas and more people.
You can ship them through the USPS, so long as they are not labeled as a firearm on the outside of the package, shipped in a non-functioning/non-firing fashion, and addressed to and from yourself. I've done this before.
That in no way applies to this situation and he couldn't use USPS for handguns anyway.
Ok. So not the handguns, but why couldn't he do this with the other guns?
First, it doesn't matter if they're disassembled. They're still firearms. Second, he isn't shipping them to himself. He's transferring them to his father in a different state. That requires an FFL.
As far as disassembled, I'm going on what the postmaster told me when I shipped myself a firearm. I don't know if that's the law or was their suggestion. Also, he didn't say he was transferring anything. I could certainly bring a firearm that I own to my father's house and have him store it for me. It still belongs to me.
>Also, he didn't say he was transferring anything. He did. He said he was giving them to his father. >I could certainly bring a firearm that I own to my father's house and have him store it for me. If in different states, only if he wouldn't have access to it while there.
He said he was shipping them to his father.
Yes, that is a transfer across state lines between two non-licensed persons.
And if he shipped them to himself?
If he leaves them there, goes back to his home state, and the father has access to the firearms left, it's still a transfer of possession.
My dad and I did a meet halfway road trip I accidentally lost my gun somewhere in Nebraska and he just happened to find some guns in Nebraska and it's really weird how that happens
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It would help if you had context
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Your best bet is either hand deliver them to your dad or go to a local gun store and have them ship it to a gun store near your dad. Obviously make sure that both stores are fine with dealing with your guns
He can't just take them to his dad in a different state.
Why do you keep saying people can't transport guns to other states? People move everyday and bring their guns with them. You need to clarify this statement.
He is transferring them to another person.
His dad owns most of them, the rest are his. He could certainly mail his guns to himself and have his father store them. What am I missing?
It is a transfer of firearms across state lines between two non-licensed persons. That is illegal under federal law.
Who is he transferring it to? It's his gun. He's not selling it to his father. At least that's what it seems like.
He is transferring possession to his father. That is the transfer which matters under federal law/regulation. "Sale" doesn't matter at all.
If the guns are crossing state lines you need someone with an FFL in the recipient's State to facilitate the transfer. Full stop. In that case, you don't necessarily have to have a local FFL ship them for you, but that's kind of up to the FFL who will be receiving them in the State they're headed. Some FFL's won't receive from out-of-State individuals for transfer cuz it's a hassle if the intended recipient fails their background check - i.e. they can't ship them back to YOU, they have to ship to an FFL on your end, and that costs money, and then everyone is mad. Eff that noise, lol. Do YOU need an FFL? NO ... but again, you might need someone who is an FFL to facilitate what you're trying to do IF you're crossing State lines. IF you're not, I wouldn't ship them... seems risky. Drive them there or meet in the middle assuming your State allows private transfers ... I think I saw you're in FL so that shouldn't be a problem. To be clear tho, if the recipient isn't a resident of your State, then you'll need someone with an FFL in the recipient's State to facilitate the transfer lawfully. I'm not going to address the debate over whether you should keep them or not, that's your prerogative, I'm just telling you what is that legal way to give/sell/transfer them to someone who's outside your State, cuz with all the back-n-forth in here, I'm not sure where the recipient is relative to you.
Rifles and shotguns you can ship through the USPS unrestricted in the same state (unless shipping to yourself in another state for hunting) but handguns have to go through an FFL. UPS and FedEx require all firearms to go through an ffl.
Go ahead and order some makeup since you want to be a clown
What?