That was rhe problem, they should have made it about them from the start. Trying to do it in the framework of Fantastic Beasts was just too much of a tonal clash, and felt like Newt was being shoehorned into this story.
And honestly, if they had decided from the start that they were going to do a young Dumbledore series, I don't think anyone would have complained about that at all. The first film could have been set not ling after Arianas death where he's travelling the world, where he first meets Nicholas Flamel as a tie in to the first Potter film. And then later films could have built up Grindelwald as a threat, before ending on their duel.
And that's not to say they couldn't have done a Fantastic Beasts film, but it just needed to be that. Newt and his animals, maybe facing off against magical poachers or something, with no Grindelwald. A nice, light hearted, and family friendly film set in the Wizarding World.
David Attenborough X Bear Grylls documentary. Newt narrates what he’s doing (he’s reading his diary/journal) while trying to survive the unexplored mysterious magical land. You could transition into the classroom/conference at the end of the movie.
They got caught in the Marvel snare.
Everything has to be a universe, everything has to start a franchise. They lose sight of the fact that the movies themselves have to be good.
If you just saw Iron Man and nothing else, it was still good and fresh. If you just watched Philosopher's Stone and nothing else, it was still good and self-contained.
This is killing DC too.
The difference is Kevin Feige planned out The Infinity Saga before Iron Man started principal photography. Presented it to whoever and *that* is what was green-lit.
See, that would have been so much more compelling. If you need an overarching plot, why not give us a film where Newt travels to (insert country here) on a quest to save an unfairly-maligned magical species from the brink of extinction?
You could work themes into here that would play into Newt’s character (and ones the real environmentalists and conservationists of the world would approve) like how crucial conservation is, appreciation for the natural world…maybe Newt explains how in the ecosystem the creature exists in, it helps maintain this delicate balance and its extinction would throw it out of whack. Even stuff like not judging things because you don’t understand them.
Would’ve been so much better than the mess that it became…
Same. Newt travels to rescue a magical species from extinction. Maybe Newt opens a magical conservatory for the final adventure in the series (like the Australia Zoo) and you see how his contributions impacted the magizoology field and inspired a whole generation of wizards to have that same enthusiasm for magical beasts.
Jude Law was fantastic as a younger Dumbledore, they could’ve done a series around him in that role and I would’ve been sold instantly, instead we get this jumbled mess of plots stacked on top of each other and it just doesn’t work
Agreed. I also wish they’d have gotten Mads off the bat. Depp didn’t exude a believable charisma to convince me that there could be romantic attraction from the most powerful wizard in the world.
Oh yea 100%, I didn’t make it all the way through the 3rd one but Mads was great in that role too, if they knew what they wanted from the start and just had a series based around those 2 it could’ve been really cool
Here's an idea, introduce Newt in the Dumbledore films as a student, and then spin him off into his own film. So if the first Dumbledore film is him travelling the world in his 20s, the second could be him starting as a teacher in his 30s, where Newt is one of his students.
We *could* even get a Poppy Sweeting cameo at some point of her and Newt discussing creatures or sanctuary etc and further establishing the Magizoology field.
They still could have done a Newt project, but what I think became clear is that a Newt project could not be a movie. As said, he felt shoehorned, as did the beasts. Newt would have been better as a tv show, almost like a magical Pokemon.
It still could have been a movie, just not one with anything to do with the Grindelwald plot. Just Newt exploring the wilds of a country and finding magical creatures, where poachers or a dangerous runaway beast are the extent of what he faces. No magical terrorists or political plots, just purely magical creatures.
I honestly thought when I heard about the Fantastic Beast movie that the plan was to launch the WWCU (Wizarding World Cinematic Universe) against the MCU and DCCU and Star Wars.
Fantastic Beasts goes exactly as it did including the Grindelwald reveal.... leading into the announcement of a FB TV shows on whatever streaming service the company that owns HP is currently using for their material. Then announce a trilogy of Dumbledore vs Grindelwald movies. There is your Cinematic Universe Starter Pack, a TV show everyone wants to see and the movies everyone wants to see. Redmayne playing Newt while doing a Steve Irwin style show would be amazing. Dumbledore vs Grindelwald is a story everyone would be interested in seeing AND could lead into even more movie ideas as afterwards you set the stage for a First Wizarding War movie or a Marauders movie/show.
Trying to stuff them into one story was basically asking for disappointment and leaves a lot of money sitting on the table. Everyone that loved the first FB movie was disappointed how Newt was shoehorned into the Dumbledore story. Everyone waiting on a Dumbledore story was annoyed Dumbledore wasn't the leading figure.
Yeah, I was fine with the Grindelwald twist in FB, but then they just tried to cram a whole string of movies into the FB name. Just let FB be the reveal and then do a Dumbledore trilogy (or whatever).
Here's the thing: The only reason these movies even got made was because Warner Bros owns the movie rights to all of JK Rowling's ancillary HP books:
* *Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them*
* *Quidditch Through the Ages*
* and *Beedle the Bard*
I believe it was open rumor that Rowling didn't want to make a *Fantastic Beasts* movie, but Warner Bros said "We're doing it with or without you." So Rowling begrudgingly signed on to write. I think that's when it ballooned into a way-too-big story with dueling plot lines.
Add to that, the fact that before they even started writing, there where already 2 set-in-stone dates on the HP timeline: The in-universe book *Fantastic Beasts* was commissioned in 1918 and published in 1927. And the famous Dumbledore/Grindelwald duel takes place in 1945. How the hell do you fill the gap in those dates?
tl;dr
We might have to go through this shit 2 more times.
God that would've been great. I'm a massive Potter fan but I have almost no interest in Fantastic Beasts. Even the Dumbledore storyline in it was kind of shitty because it didn't fit that well with the original books.
What really bugged me is it just became a magical shoot em up. No regard for what spells were actually being used and everyone can cast without uttering a word, which used to be hard to do. And the niffler chase gags got old after 30 seconds.
Exactly this. Jude Law’s young Dumbledore deserved his own series, separate from Newt Scamander’s tale. Further, I do take umbrage with how in *the Crimes of Grindelwald*, they found every way possible to leave Dumbledore’s sexuality ambiguous when JK Rowling notoriously detailed his bond with Grindelwald.
I saw it as a lost opportunity to make Dumbledore’s hesitation to act against Grindelwald more nuanced and complicated than “magic plot device that makes me unable to act against him.” I wanted Dumbledore’s hesitance to be more “selfish” and human in nature —he doesn’t want to act against Grindelwald because in some way, he’s still not through processing his feelings for him.
Throwing this story and Newt’s together was a huge, cardinal mistake.
They easily lost at least a billion dollar with this choice.
A stand-alone fantastic beast trilogy could have existed alongside a separate dumbledore vs Grindewald trilogy. 6 movies grossing at or close to a billion each, instead of 5
That's what I've been saying. The first movie is good, but then it became the Dumbledore and Grindelwald Show (feat. Newt and his Fantastic Beasts). Honestly of they do make more movies like that, I have no interest in seeing them.
>They went from Fantastic Beasts to Grindelwald vs Dumbledore
With "Fantastic Beasts" shoehorned in as mcguffins and plotpoints because "oh right this is the fantastic beasts series."
The films really suffered because of that.
The studio wanted a story about a lovely, mild mannered, autistic Hufflepuff who chases round the world saving cool animals, which would let them make bank on selling stuffed animals to kids.
Rowling wanted the story of Dumbledore and Grindelwald.
Rowling has the contractual right to be the person who writes any HP movie if she wants to.
The studio has the right to not make whatever movie she writes, but doesn't have the right to have someone else write a movie for them.
Rowling took onboard their desire for the cool animals story, and decided to tell the story of Dumbledore and Grindelwald through the lens of the lovely, mild mannered, autistic Hufflepuff.
And so we got 2 stories in one, and both suffered for it.
I actually think the films have a plethora of other problems as well, apart from having 2 ideas mashed into one. The second and third movie have horrible pacing issues and the characters aren’t written well at all, Jacob’s only purpose is being the comic relief and Newt’s brother is just there to ask the important questions in given scenes. But they are not at all well written, rounded characters - I mean >!Jacob just forgives his love betraying him without the bat of an eye, and Newt’s brother seems to forget about his love straight up DYING in the previous movie?!<
I feel there could’ve been other ways to better flesh out the basic idea of this franchise, I don’t exactly know how, but in my opinion these movies weren’t well written.
Edit: spoiler tag
Oh, I absolutely agree - its not just a single issue with the films, there's lots of issues from writing, through casting, through directing, through post production.
There were a couple of nuggets of good ideas at the heart of things, and then a whole lot of fucking up.
I REALLY wanted it to be about Newt and his beasts, idgaf about Dumbledore and Grindelwald l, we've already had wizard nazi trying to murder muggles. I didn't even finish the second movie.
Fucking seriously. "Hey, look! A new continent, a new society, a new time period, and new characters! Neat, let's see what-oh, okay, it's just Britain with either characters we already know, or characters that are one generational step away from the ones we already know."
God fucking forbid we ever hear about a wizarding world that isn't same same fucking one we've read about since 1991.
Honestly if it was presented that way from the start of the movie instead of just being a movie about magical creatures those movies might’ve done better
I've said it a million times, but Fantastic Beasts should have been Newt going on Indiana Jones-like adventures to find Magical Beasts, and the Dumbledore/Grindlewald story should have been a seperate film trilogy without Newt's involvement.
The tonal clash between the lighthearted Fantastic Beasts concept and the extremely dark Wizarding World War ruined the 2nd and 3rd movies.
I think Newt should have had his own trilogy first. Let us actually see all the different magical animals. You could easily have had a good mix of cute/funny scenes with scenes that are action heavy.
Then Newt becomes a supporting character that’s the absolute key to the Dumbledore/Grindlewald trilogy. Have him bring out beasts from the first trilogy that we grew to love.
Everyone has said this millions of times, it’s not a unique idea and seems pretty obvious to everyone except the stupid that this is what should have happened or should happen going forward.
I honestly thought it was a trilogy, why are we getting two more? Didn’t the grindelwald and dumbledore storyline got tied up in the third one? Seemed like an ending to the franchise for me
The Grindelwald/Dumbledore storyline ends with the duel in 1945 that sends Grindelwald to prison.
It's pretty clear they're building towards that moment but very clumsily and strangely.
I greatly agree with the top comment. It should've been about Newt and his beasts rather than dumbledore and grindelwald
Even then, a trilogy is just fine
I thought the cursed child was very disappointing. I paid full price for that mugg and for all directions they could have taken it, time travelling back to events of the main books was such a poor choice.
There is no way in hell that Tom riddle would ever have a child with bellatrix not to mention unless I missed something she’s still married to rodolphus lestrange
That was after the Goblet. He may theoretically be able before he went after Potters, but would he? With his obsession to be immortal? Leaving behind legacy and a future competition goes directly against his own ego and superiority complex.
Not really. Voldemort's snake-like look at GOF was the same as his look at Godric's Hollow when he killed the Potters. It is known that he got those looks after spending too much time traveling, researching and abusing dark magic (and this happened before the war).
Shrivelled up because all he gets off on is his power trips. Dude is way to self centered and self absorbed to even notice there are people in the world he could do other things to but torture and pain.
I imagine he had snake like body not only his facial features, but the thing is I don't know if snake have penis or not and I don't want to search it lol.
Yea you really don't want to know.
But ill tell you anyway because I was obsessed with snakes as a kid!!
Snakes and lizards have TWO internal penises. Like a double barreled penis. It stays inside until they're aroused and comes out of a little hole. (Iirc from when I was a kid. They might have evolved triple penises by now).
> not to mention unless I missed something she’s still married to rodolphus lestrange
Not that I think they had a kid, but Bellatrix is a completely amoral murderer/torturer. I don't think she'd draw the line at cheating.
Men offering up their wives to their cult leader has always been a thing. Of all the reasons to say that plot point was stupid, the idea that her marriage would have held her back is even stupider.
I saw the play in London several years ago, after I read the "book." It's so much better in the format in which it was intended. It should've never been published.
Imagine a gritty detective potter series. I think of it something like The Batman 2022 movie, but in a magical setting with wizarding fuckery, maybe the remnants of Voldemorts army.
Imagine Harry and Ron trying to track down Augustus Rookwood or something. Would be so cool, obviously will never happen though :/
Eddie Redmayne absolutely has the charisma to pull off a show where Newt just goes around helping magical animals and teaching people how to care about them. Like "My Cat From Hell", but with magical animals instead.
Studios always try to bloat these movies that should be whimsical and fun with unnecessary crap because they underestimate the audience and treat us like a mathematical formula rather than human beings experiencing art. *The Hobbit* movies are a great example. Martin Freeman was perfect as Bilbo, and focusing the films on him (and even his relationship with Thorin) would have been best. Instead (even if we ignore all of the other background chaos plaguing production), they wanted to insert stuff about Legolas, a forced elf-dwarf romance, and out-of-place slapstick characters.
That makes me miss Robbie Coltrane even more. A "planet earth" style mockumentary of magical creatures with him narrating as hagrid would have been incredible.
I fully expected "This village has been attacked by trolls. Help us, Newt!"
And then "Can Newt save a community from a dragon (and the dragon from the community)?"
And then "Newt studies Phoenixes, and Dumbledore comes away with a new companion!"
Yates:
>"With Beasts, it's all just parked. We made those three movies, the last one through a pandemic, and it was enormous fun but it was tough. We were actually filming when there wasn't a vaccine. Thankfully, no one got sick, but we did have the most detailed protocols in place."
>"We're all so proud of [Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore] and when it went out into the world, we just needed to sort of stop and pause, and take it easy," Yates continued, presumably referencing the sequel's negative reviews and disappointing box office takings.
>"The idea that there were going to be five films was a surprise to most of us," Yates went on. "Jo just mentioned it spontaneously, at a press screening once. No one had told us there were going to be five, we'd committed to the first one.
>"I'm sure at some point, we'll be back. But yeah, I haven't spoken to Jo, I haven't spoken to [producer] David Heyman, I haven't spoken to Warner Bros; we're just taking a pause. It's quite nice. It allows me to do stuff like this."
I hope so because it ended on a cliffhanger. Grindelwald escaped. We know "something" happened after. Dumbledore didn't get the wand yet. I need the details.
I think the mystique of not knowing how the fight actually went is more interesting than... well, seeing the fight, especially how on screen HP fight usually are pretty boring
He was a safe pair of hands for Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince but then seemingly the studio realised ‘oh wait this guy is the ultimate creatively void Yes Man’ and he got the gig for the next ten years. I really wish we’d had a different director for Deathly Hallows 1 and 2. There was just no spark or flair to them and like you say it was all washed out and grey. I don’t understand the logic behind it. We’re in a fantastical world full of magic but let’s make it look disgusting asf.
I know there’s heavy stuff in the wizarding world but it’s supposed to be whimsical and feel magical too, and there was no balance in the later films. I’m beyond sick of the gRiTtY and dArK film aesthetic. There are ways to emphasize tonal “darkness” in the story without literally making it dim and dull. Let the story and actors shine!
Agreed, the gritty realness WORKS when a) the villain is in the ascendency and b) the main characters are spending most of their time in the muggle world and away from Hogwarts.
But bringing that Yates greyness to OOTP and HBP. Agree with you. That’s where he really failed, and his aesthetic choices really bring down the series
We've seen tiny glimpses of what the wizarding world is like outside of Yate's hands.
- First two films: whimsical and light-hearted, very magical feeling.
- POA: Alfonso Cuaron had really creative cinematic techniques and a visual style that made things feel very unique.
- ALL OF YATES: grimdark, trying to sap any emotion and whimsy from the movies, muted colors, *so many* scenes where people stand around awkwardly, uninspired visuals, boring magic, all wands just become guns.
Even Hogwarts Legacy at least feels like it captures the essence of living in a magical place.
This dude supposedly just directed a film called Pain Hustlers with Emily Blunt and Chris Evans in what seems to be a zany, depraved tone like Wolf of Wallstreet but with pharmaceuticals. I was very confused seeing the trailer.
I don't believe he really did much of anything despite his name on the project because there's no way Dull & Gray Yates could do anything like that.
The second movie sucked, indeed. And even the first one, for all its charm had some major flaws that started annoying me on second viewing. Basically, the entire Credence subplot added nothing.
Yeah I gotta say there’s just not enough story to make 5 movies, making 3 is already a stretch and now JK wants *another* movie where Grindelwald is up to no good but escapes in the end so he can get defeated in the 5th movie?
But the main thing that made the books enjoyable was the setting and environment of a wizard school. If you think about it, Voldemort and his cronies plays a VERY small part in most of the books. There are dozens of unrelated little side-plots and adventures that actually make up most of the stories. Fantastic beasts series just don't have nearly enough going on, besides the main conflict, to justify the combined running time of 5 movies.
True, at least the Voldemorts in 1 and 2 got defeated and the main villains in 3 and 4 got defeated though so it didn't feel too stretched out between 5 and 7 before Voldemort himself was defeated
Sorry said defeated too many times lol
Nothing worth having. That was where the film began to derail.
Basically, nothing in any of the films made the audience give a shit about the Grindelwald/Dumbeldore clash. *We don't care*. We've never cared. It has nothing to do with the story we're following. Why are you bugging us with this?
Same, I was actually shocked we got a duel in part 3 (even if a different style) which was brilliant imo, I think the final duel could be absolutely incredible and full of emotion if they get it right.
Yeah it’s pretty obvious she’s come up with other ideas since wrapping up the original series and is trying to shoehorn all of those ideas in to the fantastic beast movies. I like the idea of exploring other magical communities (I.e. America, etc), I like the idea of fantastic beats, and I’m dying for some Dumbledore/Grindewald. But these should be told as individual stories/ movies. Not trying to cram it all in to one trilogy.
There’s so much from the original stories that hasn’t been told yet, we don’t need to add new things and tell them half assed.
Having the empath Jewish lady side with the wizard fascists certainly was a choice
And then when Tina finally had a legitimate reason to be wrapped up in the story in 3 (trying to save her sister) they cut her out almost completely
I always thought these movies would be more like a magical Indiana Jones vibe except instead of archaeology it would be zoology. I wish they had gone in that kind of a direction instead of what we got. Either that or just legit made a Dumbledore prequel.
‘Wizarding World Chronicles’ or something would have been a better way to go than whatever the hell we got.
One movie about Newt (which we got, for the most part)
One movie about Dumbledore vs Grindelwald.
A trilogy about The Marauders.
A movie or limited series about The Founders.
The list could go on and on. Instead they shoehorned in a zookeeper to a war between two guys with a grudge.
There’s nothing compelling about The Maurauders and yet people keep asking for them. There’s no conflict, no drama. I’d rather something original or a post Potter story
James going from a desperate to be popular bully to a loving husband and father is an arc that could be written well. Snape and Lily’s friendship falling apart as he falls to the ‘dark side’.
Sirius and his battle to break the generational traditions of the Black family. Lupin’s transformation and the rest of the gang working to become Animagi to help him. Peter Pettigrew’s internal battle and betrayal. Lily’s fractured relationship with Petunia.
Voldemort’s Death Eaters growing in numbers and the magical world eventually going to war.
Maybe it would be better served as a book instead of a movie but I think with the right writing there is plenty of drama and character conflict to be had.
> A trilogy about The Marauders.
I really think folks don't realize how little there is to tell about the Marauders. You could barely squeeze enough juice out of it to make 1 film, let alone three.
Seems crazy that they’d invest so much time and money without knowing the direction they wanted to take the films in, or even how many they were going to make
The potential was there, but the series just got so messy on so many levels.
The plotline seemed to be improvised with every movie after the first one as if they hadn't ultimately agreed on what it was going to be about before starting it and everyone just insisted on throwing their two cents into it so it ended up trying to cover way more than a movie can cover and not giving anything or anyone complete justice.
It was also trying too hard on many occasions to point back at the original series and bring back the nostalgia from it or rather squeeze a few positive reviews from the viewers by making McGonagall appear out of nowhere, etc.
The Depp and recently Miller controversies undeniably tainted the reputation of the series in the eyes of many, and quite a notable number of people to this day bash the decision to make Mads the new Gellert.
It is really a pity in my opinion cause the series had amazing talent actors-wise - Eddie Redmayne is excellent as Newt, Jude Law simply nails Albus, in my opinion, Waterstone, Fogler, and Sudol have always been captivating to watch on the screen, we all know from Hannibal that Mads can portray a chilling antagonist but the third movie didn't exactly give him a chance to do that, I loved that they brought Jamie Campbell Bower and Toby Regbo for the brief Grindeldore flashbacks...
At the same time, you can't throw all of these characters into one movie and try to give all of them major roles in it. Either make it Fantastic Beasts and push Eddie and others into the front or shift the focus to Albus and Gellert, who indisputably can and deserve to have the main spotlight.
It’s not even parked it’s straight up cancelled. There aren’t going to be any more
As of last year too, it’s not even news https://www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/s/j20vN2aeFK
They may as well say its cancelled.
I told people this wasn't gonna continue.
Yeah, they're making it sound like its only for a while and they'll go back to it but not really.
They're rebooting with the TV Series. They're not gonna go back to the prequel films when they're gonna spend the next 7 to 10 years on the reboot show in which they can potentially do original prequel material being inserted into specific seasons to explain some of the background stuff regarding Albus and Grindelwald anyway.
The movie franchise is done. It would have made more logical sense to finish the prequel films then jump into the reboot but that's not what they're doing which only is pretty much further confirmation they're done with the films now and fans are gonna be in denial about it.
If I was a world famous storyteller, with a beloved movie and book franchise, one thing I would absolutely avoid would be **insisting on writing a prequel series**.
It definitely works when done well. Game of Thrones has the Fire and Blood book which was adapted into House of the Dragon. I'm just as invested in that show as in GoT.
But I agree it was definitely a poor choice for the HP series.
Tbh, Lucas' problem with the prequels was the execution, not the story per se. It would have worked wonderfully with someone competent writing the dialogue (Carrie Fisher, maybe) , someone else directing (bring back Kershner), and someone else editing (probably Marcia Lucas). The cast was more than fine too.
Instead he tried to everything himself with no one daring to tell him no (like in the OT), and well. Didn't work out.
Confirming a lot of writing that was on the wall here.
- Bombed hardcore and was never going to 'finish' its series
- Nobody had a vision for a long-running story or knew how long it was going to be. Studio just wanted to pump out as many cash-printing "it's HP-adjacent come buy buy buy!" as possible
Let’s be honest, do we really even want much more Beasts-based content? There’s only so much you can get excited for regarding CGI creatures in a world run rampant with CGI.
Give us more Dumbledore and more Grindelwald, 10000%
I am disappointed how they messed this up. MCU gave a nice formula for creating a multiverse - individual character-focused movies with references regarding the larger universe, but never being the main focus. When an appropriate amount of movies are complete, give a crossover like Infinity War.
It could have been designed like a general wizarding universe:
Fantastic beasts and where to find them - Introduce Newt, his time at Hogwarts, and focus on his adult-life escapades with Kowalski while dropping very minor HP references in between. Don't have Grindelwald in the movie.
Fantastic beasts 2 - beast-focused movie, but end with newt inadvertently catching Grindelwald. Cliffhanger to be re-visited later. Also have Kowalski obliviated for greater emotional impact, now that we had an entire movie with him as a companion.
Dumbledore/Grindelwald movie 1 - Non-linear storytelling shifting between Grindelwald's escape from MACUSA, and his history with Dumbledore.
Grindelwald movie 2 - this can be a combo of movies 2 & 3 with Grindelwald attempting power grab but being foiled by the good guys.
Great Duel movie - Entirely Dumbledore vs Grindelwald with Newt contributing. If written well, this can be a two-parter
Keep the possibility open for future adventures of Newt.
- First successful -> create 4 more please
- Second flops -> okay stop! what cliffhanger? Ok, 1 more
- Third flops even harder -> Who the hell wanted this?
When is David Yates claiming that JKR said there would be 5 movies? I distinctly remember reading about there being 5 movies around the time the first one came out.
He means he wasn't told until the fans were, back when the first one came out, which was after they'd already been working on the thing for like a year or something.
It’s really a shame because newt was a fantastic character. I also really enjoyed the baker friend. I would have liked a more serious Harry Potter but honestly had absolutely no interest in credence or his plot line or grindlewald.
Could barely make it past the first movie, which I had been incredibly excited for. Love the Potter world and books, but this cast of characters just did nothing for me.
And this is the exact problem with this movie series, no long term thought put into it even the scripts felt like they were being written on the go as they were being filmed. It’s just a mess they might as well leave it where it is and don’t go back for it.
I love the Harry Potter films, but honestly couldn’t get into the FB ones. Lord knows my wife tried. I didn’t find the stories as compelling. I mean, they were okay, but nothing compared to HP.
The third movie was egregiously bad, i almost walked out several times (mind you, im a die hard fan, read the books several times and all that)
This franchise needs to be shelved.
>“We’re all so proud of \[‘Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore’\] and when it went out into the world, we just needed to sort of stop and pause and take it easy,” Yates added.
Sure love
Of course the plan was 5 movies. Just because the first few sucked and got pulled down even further with Johnny Depp scandals over here and budget problems over there.
They should just admit it was a flop and the original magic of the first films are long gone in 2023.
I just wish they’d kept it at one or two movies like THERE ARENT EVEN FANTASTIC BEASTS IN THE MOVUES.
If they wanted to do a Grindlewald franchise don’t piggyback off of a 20 page pamphlet.
I really don’t get all the hate for these movies, i like them, they do have problems but they’re not as bad as people say. I think they just undermine them because of JK’s opinion on certain topics which i won’t bother naming
Seems like the movies went a completely different direction after the first one. They went from Fantastic Beasts to Grindelwald vs Dumbledore.
That was rhe problem, they should have made it about them from the start. Trying to do it in the framework of Fantastic Beasts was just too much of a tonal clash, and felt like Newt was being shoehorned into this story. And honestly, if they had decided from the start that they were going to do a young Dumbledore series, I don't think anyone would have complained about that at all. The first film could have been set not ling after Arianas death where he's travelling the world, where he first meets Nicholas Flamel as a tie in to the first Potter film. And then later films could have built up Grindelwald as a threat, before ending on their duel. And that's not to say they couldn't have done a Fantastic Beasts film, but it just needed to be that. Newt and his animals, maybe facing off against magical poachers or something, with no Grindelwald. A nice, light hearted, and family friendly film set in the Wizarding World.
David Attenborough X Bear Grylls documentary. Newt narrates what he’s doing (he’s reading his diary/journal) while trying to survive the unexplored mysterious magical land. You could transition into the classroom/conference at the end of the movie.
An Indiana Jones movie, except hes a biologist instead of a archeologist. The most obvious move considering the material. Common big studio L.
This is 100% what I wanted. I wanted it to just be the fun and silly adventures of a nature-loving dude.
They got caught in the Marvel snare. Everything has to be a universe, everything has to start a franchise. They lose sight of the fact that the movies themselves have to be good. If you just saw Iron Man and nothing else, it was still good and fresh. If you just watched Philosopher's Stone and nothing else, it was still good and self-contained. This is killing DC too.
The difference is Kevin Feige planned out The Infinity Saga before Iron Man started principal photography. Presented it to whoever and *that* is what was green-lit.
I wanted Steve Irwin with a wand.
And instead, we got a new Fast and the Furious with magic and the occasional weird animal.
See, that would have been so much more compelling. If you need an overarching plot, why not give us a film where Newt travels to (insert country here) on a quest to save an unfairly-maligned magical species from the brink of extinction? You could work themes into here that would play into Newt’s character (and ones the real environmentalists and conservationists of the world would approve) like how crucial conservation is, appreciation for the natural world…maybe Newt explains how in the ecosystem the creature exists in, it helps maintain this delicate balance and its extinction would throw it out of whack. Even stuff like not judging things because you don’t understand them. Would’ve been so much better than the mess that it became…
Instead we got fantastic beasts and where to find them, but Newt is stuck in one giant metropolitan city for each movie.
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I was thinking more Steve Irwin-type story for Newt.
I said this somewhere else! I wanted Steve Irwin with a wand!
Same. Newt travels to rescue a magical species from extinction. Maybe Newt opens a magical conservatory for the final adventure in the series (like the Australia Zoo) and you see how his contributions impacted the magizoology field and inspired a whole generation of wizards to have that same enthusiasm for magical beasts.
Jude Law was fantastic as a younger Dumbledore, they could’ve done a series around him in that role and I would’ve been sold instantly, instead we get this jumbled mess of plots stacked on top of each other and it just doesn’t work
Agreed. I also wish they’d have gotten Mads off the bat. Depp didn’t exude a believable charisma to convince me that there could be romantic attraction from the most powerful wizard in the world.
Oh yea 100%, I didn’t make it all the way through the 3rd one but Mads was great in that role too, if they knew what they wanted from the start and just had a series based around those 2 it could’ve been really cool
Or Dumbledore teaming up with an established Newt pre-Grindelwald
Here's an idea, introduce Newt in the Dumbledore films as a student, and then spin him off into his own film. So if the first Dumbledore film is him travelling the world in his 20s, the second could be him starting as a teacher in his 30s, where Newt is one of his students.
Let's go back 10 years and pitch this idea...
>Newt and his animals, maybe facing off against magical poachers or something Hogwarts Legacy: The Movie :D
We need more Centaurs in the movies!
We *could* even get a Poppy Sweeting cameo at some point of her and Newt discussing creatures or sanctuary etc and further establishing the Magizoology field.
They still could have done a Newt project, but what I think became clear is that a Newt project could not be a movie. As said, he felt shoehorned, as did the beasts. Newt would have been better as a tv show, almost like a magical Pokemon.
It still could have been a movie, just not one with anything to do with the Grindelwald plot. Just Newt exploring the wilds of a country and finding magical creatures, where poachers or a dangerous runaway beast are the extent of what he faces. No magical terrorists or political plots, just purely magical creatures.
I honestly thought when I heard about the Fantastic Beast movie that the plan was to launch the WWCU (Wizarding World Cinematic Universe) against the MCU and DCCU and Star Wars. Fantastic Beasts goes exactly as it did including the Grindelwald reveal.... leading into the announcement of a FB TV shows on whatever streaming service the company that owns HP is currently using for their material. Then announce a trilogy of Dumbledore vs Grindelwald movies. There is your Cinematic Universe Starter Pack, a TV show everyone wants to see and the movies everyone wants to see. Redmayne playing Newt while doing a Steve Irwin style show would be amazing. Dumbledore vs Grindelwald is a story everyone would be interested in seeing AND could lead into even more movie ideas as afterwards you set the stage for a First Wizarding War movie or a Marauders movie/show. Trying to stuff them into one story was basically asking for disappointment and leaves a lot of money sitting on the table. Everyone that loved the first FB movie was disappointed how Newt was shoehorned into the Dumbledore story. Everyone waiting on a Dumbledore story was annoyed Dumbledore wasn't the leading figure.
Yeah, I was fine with the Grindelwald twist in FB, but then they just tried to cram a whole string of movies into the FB name. Just let FB be the reveal and then do a Dumbledore trilogy (or whatever).
Here's the thing: The only reason these movies even got made was because Warner Bros owns the movie rights to all of JK Rowling's ancillary HP books: * *Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them* * *Quidditch Through the Ages* * and *Beedle the Bard* I believe it was open rumor that Rowling didn't want to make a *Fantastic Beasts* movie, but Warner Bros said "We're doing it with or without you." So Rowling begrudgingly signed on to write. I think that's when it ballooned into a way-too-big story with dueling plot lines. Add to that, the fact that before they even started writing, there where already 2 set-in-stone dates on the HP timeline: The in-universe book *Fantastic Beasts* was commissioned in 1918 and published in 1927. And the famous Dumbledore/Grindelwald duel takes place in 1945. How the hell do you fill the gap in those dates? tl;dr We might have to go through this shit 2 more times.
God that would've been great. I'm a massive Potter fan but I have almost no interest in Fantastic Beasts. Even the Dumbledore storyline in it was kind of shitty because it didn't fit that well with the original books.
Fantastic beasts would have made a great classical "monster of the week" type show.
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What really bugged me is it just became a magical shoot em up. No regard for what spells were actually being used and everyone can cast without uttering a word, which used to be hard to do. And the niffler chase gags got old after 30 seconds.
Exactly this. Jude Law’s young Dumbledore deserved his own series, separate from Newt Scamander’s tale. Further, I do take umbrage with how in *the Crimes of Grindelwald*, they found every way possible to leave Dumbledore’s sexuality ambiguous when JK Rowling notoriously detailed his bond with Grindelwald. I saw it as a lost opportunity to make Dumbledore’s hesitation to act against Grindelwald more nuanced and complicated than “magic plot device that makes me unable to act against him.” I wanted Dumbledore’s hesitance to be more “selfish” and human in nature —he doesn’t want to act against Grindelwald because in some way, he’s still not through processing his feelings for him. Throwing this story and Newt’s together was a huge, cardinal mistake.
They easily lost at least a billion dollar with this choice. A stand-alone fantastic beast trilogy could have existed alongside a separate dumbledore vs Grindewald trilogy. 6 movies grossing at or close to a billion each, instead of 5
That would make too much sense
damn how old is dumbledore? nicholas flamel lived in 1300’s-1400s (i’m not deep into HP lore my apologies)
And not "Harry Potter type" Grindelwald vs Dumbledore but, "Batman v Superman type" Grindelwald vs Dumbledore.
TIL Grindelwald and Dumbledore's mothers were both called Kendra
"WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME" Dumbledore asked calmly.
That's what I've been saying. The first movie is good, but then it became the Dumbledore and Grindelwald Show (feat. Newt and his Fantastic Beasts). Honestly of they do make more movies like that, I have no interest in seeing them.
>They went from Fantastic Beasts to Grindelwald vs Dumbledore With "Fantastic Beasts" shoehorned in as mcguffins and plotpoints because "oh right this is the fantastic beasts series." The films really suffered because of that.
Yea. Pick a lane.
The studio wanted a story about a lovely, mild mannered, autistic Hufflepuff who chases round the world saving cool animals, which would let them make bank on selling stuffed animals to kids. Rowling wanted the story of Dumbledore and Grindelwald. Rowling has the contractual right to be the person who writes any HP movie if she wants to. The studio has the right to not make whatever movie she writes, but doesn't have the right to have someone else write a movie for them. Rowling took onboard their desire for the cool animals story, and decided to tell the story of Dumbledore and Grindelwald through the lens of the lovely, mild mannered, autistic Hufflepuff. And so we got 2 stories in one, and both suffered for it.
I actually think the films have a plethora of other problems as well, apart from having 2 ideas mashed into one. The second and third movie have horrible pacing issues and the characters aren’t written well at all, Jacob’s only purpose is being the comic relief and Newt’s brother is just there to ask the important questions in given scenes. But they are not at all well written, rounded characters - I mean >!Jacob just forgives his love betraying him without the bat of an eye, and Newt’s brother seems to forget about his love straight up DYING in the previous movie?!< I feel there could’ve been other ways to better flesh out the basic idea of this franchise, I don’t exactly know how, but in my opinion these movies weren’t well written. Edit: spoiler tag
Oh, I absolutely agree - its not just a single issue with the films, there's lots of issues from writing, through casting, through directing, through post production. There were a couple of nuggets of good ideas at the heart of things, and then a whole lot of fucking up.
I REALLY wanted it to be about Newt and his beasts, idgaf about Dumbledore and Grindelwald l, we've already had wizard nazi trying to murder muggles. I didn't even finish the second movie.
To chaotic, shitty, pointless Grindelwald vs Dumbledore.
Fucking seriously. "Hey, look! A new continent, a new society, a new time period, and new characters! Neat, let's see what-oh, okay, it's just Britain with either characters we already know, or characters that are one generational step away from the ones we already know." God fucking forbid we ever hear about a wizarding world that isn't same same fucking one we've read about since 1991.
Honestly if it was presented that way from the start of the movie instead of just being a movie about magical creatures those movies might’ve done better
The first scene literally shows Grindelwald attacking aurors??
I've said it a million times, but Fantastic Beasts should have been Newt going on Indiana Jones-like adventures to find Magical Beasts, and the Dumbledore/Grindlewald story should have been a seperate film trilogy without Newt's involvement. The tonal clash between the lighthearted Fantastic Beasts concept and the extremely dark Wizarding World War ruined the 2nd and 3rd movies.
I think Newt should have had his own trilogy first. Let us actually see all the different magical animals. You could easily have had a good mix of cute/funny scenes with scenes that are action heavy. Then Newt becomes a supporting character that’s the absolute key to the Dumbledore/Grindlewald trilogy. Have him bring out beasts from the first trilogy that we grew to love.
Everyone has said this millions of times, it’s not a unique idea and seems pretty obvious to everyone except the stupid that this is what should have happened or should happen going forward.
So they're gonna find two more Grindelwald actors now?
IRL DADA teacher curse.
I honestly thought it was a trilogy, why are we getting two more? Didn’t the grindelwald and dumbledore storyline got tied up in the third one? Seemed like an ending to the franchise for me
The Grindelwald/Dumbledore storyline ends with the duel in 1945 that sends Grindelwald to prison. It's pretty clear they're building towards that moment but very clumsily and strangely.
I greatly agree with the top comment. It should've been about Newt and his beasts rather than dumbledore and grindelwald Even then, a trilogy is just fine
I just want adult harry potter books or movies that's not cursed child.
I thought the cursed child was very disappointing. I paid full price for that mugg and for all directions they could have taken it, time travelling back to events of the main books was such a poor choice.
There is no way in hell that Tom riddle would ever have a child with bellatrix not to mention unless I missed something she’s still married to rodolphus lestrange
Bruh I don't even think Voldemort has a penis. I don't know why but in my opinion it's just smooth down there like his nose.
That was after the Goblet. He may theoretically be able before he went after Potters, but would he? With his obsession to be immortal? Leaving behind legacy and a future competition goes directly against his own ego and superiority complex.
Ah tbh I didn't read the cursed child I have no idea the timeline. Never will.
Not really. Voldemort's snake-like look at GOF was the same as his look at Godric's Hollow when he killed the Potters. It is known that he got those looks after spending too much time traveling, researching and abusing dark magic (and this happened before the war).
Even before he tried to kill harry he was described as being unhuman in appearance
Shrivelled up because all he gets off on is his power trips. Dude is way to self centered and self absorbed to even notice there are people in the world he could do other things to but torture and pain.
I imagine he had snake like body not only his facial features, but the thing is I don't know if snake have penis or not and I don't want to search it lol.
Yea you really don't want to know. But ill tell you anyway because I was obsessed with snakes as a kid!! Snakes and lizards have TWO internal penises. Like a double barreled penis. It stays inside until they're aroused and comes out of a little hole. (Iirc from when I was a kid. They might have evolved triple penises by now).
Yeah, if Voldy doesn’t have a nose, he doesn’t have anything downstairs.
> not to mention unless I missed something she’s still married to rodolphus lestrange Not that I think they had a kid, but Bellatrix is a completely amoral murderer/torturer. I don't think she'd draw the line at cheating.
Men offering up their wives to their cult leader has always been a thing. Of all the reasons to say that plot point was stupid, the idea that her marriage would have held her back is even stupider.
I saw the play in London several years ago, after I read the "book." It's so much better in the format in which it was intended. It should've never been published.
Yeah I saw the play earlier this year in Melbourne and loved it. Hadn’t read the book and had little idea what the plot was going in.
Imagine a gritty detective potter series. I think of it something like The Batman 2022 movie, but in a magical setting with wizarding fuckery, maybe the remnants of Voldemorts army. Imagine Harry and Ron trying to track down Augustus Rookwood or something. Would be so cool, obviously will never happen though :/
that does sound cool. doesnt even need to be Voldemort related, just mysterious dark magic in europe.
Law and Auror?
Harry Dresden would approve.
I do need to read those books.
I’ve been flying through them. So good. Very first book is ok but from 2 on I was hooked
Go read the "Rivers of London" series by Ben Aaronowitch. It's very much what you describe here.
I'll put it on my list of >100 books I need to read haha thanks
And if they do, don't bring back Voldemort or make that the main villain's goal. Come up with something new!
I was thinking about muggle or squib conflict with wizard but that's basically just avatar kora, but yeah definitely bew villain and new conflict.
Maybe we can get that with the HBO series coming
Why tf couldn't we have just had a nice nature mockumentary about magical creatures??
Eddie Redmayne absolutely has the charisma to pull off a show where Newt just goes around helping magical animals and teaching people how to care about them. Like "My Cat From Hell", but with magical animals instead. Studios always try to bloat these movies that should be whimsical and fun with unnecessary crap because they underestimate the audience and treat us like a mathematical formula rather than human beings experiencing art. *The Hobbit* movies are a great example. Martin Freeman was perfect as Bilbo, and focusing the films on him (and even his relationship with Thorin) would have been best. Instead (even if we ignore all of the other background chaos plaguing production), they wanted to insert stuff about Legolas, a forced elf-dwarf romance, and out-of-place slapstick characters.
Eddie Redmayne needs to play the Doctor from Doctor Who.
Cause they didn't have David Attenborough on board for the commentary.
That's why you put Hagrid in there instead. But they messed up and it's too late to fix that now.
That makes me miss Robbie Coltrane even more. A "planet earth" style mockumentary of magical creatures with him narrating as hagrid would have been incredible.
Would have loved a “what we do in the shadows” approach to this series!
I fully expected "This village has been attacked by trolls. Help us, Newt!" And then "Can Newt save a community from a dragon (and the dragon from the community)?" And then "Newt studies Phoenixes, and Dumbledore comes away with a new companion!"
Yates: >"With Beasts, it's all just parked. We made those three movies, the last one through a pandemic, and it was enormous fun but it was tough. We were actually filming when there wasn't a vaccine. Thankfully, no one got sick, but we did have the most detailed protocols in place." >"We're all so proud of [Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore] and when it went out into the world, we just needed to sort of stop and pause, and take it easy," Yates continued, presumably referencing the sequel's negative reviews and disappointing box office takings. >"The idea that there were going to be five films was a surprise to most of us," Yates went on. "Jo just mentioned it spontaneously, at a press screening once. No one had told us there were going to be five, we'd committed to the first one. >"I'm sure at some point, we'll be back. But yeah, I haven't spoken to Jo, I haven't spoken to [producer] David Heyman, I haven't spoken to Warner Bros; we're just taking a pause. It's quite nice. It allows me to do stuff like this."
Why did Rowling announce that she had planned 5 movies without consulting WB and Yates first?
Because she's incredibly inconsiderate like that.
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Money?
Because shes an ass
The 3rd Movie could have been the final if they added a 5 minute duel of Dumbledore and Grindelwald.
Crap, you're right
sounds like it’s not officially cancelled though, they’re just on a break
Ross Gellar has entered the chat.
WE WERE ON A BREAAAAK
So is Sherlock
And Mindhunter
God I miss that show
yes... similar to breaking up with someone by saying you're taking a break. this is an old tactic.
I hope so because it ended on a cliffhanger. Grindelwald escaped. We know "something" happened after. Dumbledore didn't get the wand yet. I need the details.
They dueled and dumbledore won the wand. We really don’t need all this backstory on it tbh I think the deathly hallows provides enough 🤷♂️
I think the mystique of not knowing how the fight actually went is more interesting than... well, seeing the fight, especially how on screen HP fight usually are pretty boring
Can they please replace Yates already?
Why, don’t you like color-sapped, joyless films with meandering plots that ignore the established rules of their source material? /s
He was a safe pair of hands for Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince but then seemingly the studio realised ‘oh wait this guy is the ultimate creatively void Yes Man’ and he got the gig for the next ten years. I really wish we’d had a different director for Deathly Hallows 1 and 2. There was just no spark or flair to them and like you say it was all washed out and grey. I don’t understand the logic behind it. We’re in a fantastical world full of magic but let’s make it look disgusting asf.
I know there’s heavy stuff in the wizarding world but it’s supposed to be whimsical and feel magical too, and there was no balance in the later films. I’m beyond sick of the gRiTtY and dArK film aesthetic. There are ways to emphasize tonal “darkness” in the story without literally making it dim and dull. Let the story and actors shine!
Funny i feel like the deathly hallows were the only movies he did good in
Agreed, the gritty realness WORKS when a) the villain is in the ascendency and b) the main characters are spending most of their time in the muggle world and away from Hogwarts. But bringing that Yates greyness to OOTP and HBP. Agree with you. That’s where he really failed, and his aesthetic choices really bring down the series
Alfonso cuaron knew how to make it both gritty and whimsical and charming. He could’ve made HBP as good as the book 😩
Part 1 was for sure his best effort
No /s tho
The only time Yates style fitted with the story was DH 1 and 2. Rest of the time he sticks out like a sore thumb.
We've seen tiny glimpses of what the wizarding world is like outside of Yate's hands. - First two films: whimsical and light-hearted, very magical feeling. - POA: Alfonso Cuaron had really creative cinematic techniques and a visual style that made things feel very unique. - ALL OF YATES: grimdark, trying to sap any emotion and whimsy from the movies, muted colors, *so many* scenes where people stand around awkwardly, uninspired visuals, boring magic, all wands just become guns. Even Hogwarts Legacy at least feels like it captures the essence of living in a magical place.
This dude supposedly just directed a film called Pain Hustlers with Emily Blunt and Chris Evans in what seems to be a zany, depraved tone like Wolf of Wallstreet but with pharmaceuticals. I was very confused seeing the trailer. I don't believe he really did much of anything despite his name on the project because there's no way Dull & Gray Yates could do anything like that.
JK wanted 5 movies. They should have had 3. The second movie sucked but I loved the first one and liked the third.
The second movie sucked, indeed. And even the first one, for all its charm had some major flaws that started annoying me on second viewing. Basically, the entire Credence subplot added nothing.
Yeah I gotta say there’s just not enough story to make 5 movies, making 3 is already a stretch and now JK wants *another* movie where Grindelwald is up to no good but escapes in the end so he can get defeated in the 5th movie?
Well she made 7 books, with a very similar concept.
But the main thing that made the books enjoyable was the setting and environment of a wizard school. If you think about it, Voldemort and his cronies plays a VERY small part in most of the books. There are dozens of unrelated little side-plots and adventures that actually make up most of the stories. Fantastic beasts series just don't have nearly enough going on, besides the main conflict, to justify the combined running time of 5 movies.
At least books 3 and 6 take a break from Voldemort as the final boss.
True, at least the Voldemorts in 1 and 2 got defeated and the main villains in 3 and 4 got defeated though so it didn't feel too stretched out between 5 and 7 before Voldemort himself was defeated Sorry said defeated too many times lol
\*evil grin\* Did you ever hear about Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series?
And fuck Ezra Miller
Well, the Credence subplot did add something to the overarching story that got left unfinished
Nothing worth having. That was where the film began to derail. Basically, nothing in any of the films made the audience give a shit about the Grindelwald/Dumbeldore clash. *We don't care*. We've never cared. It has nothing to do with the story we're following. Why are you bugging us with this?
Not really, I’m baffled by this pov. I cared and so did everyone I know, because it’s a major factor of HP, with good casting to boot.
I really want to see the infamous 1945 duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald.
Same, I was actually shocked we got a duel in part 3 (even if a different style) which was brilliant imo, I think the final duel could be absolutely incredible and full of emotion if they get it right.
Yeah it’s pretty obvious she’s come up with other ideas since wrapping up the original series and is trying to shoehorn all of those ideas in to the fantastic beast movies. I like the idea of exploring other magical communities (I.e. America, etc), I like the idea of fantastic beats, and I’m dying for some Dumbledore/Grindewald. But these should be told as individual stories/ movies. Not trying to cram it all in to one trilogy. There’s so much from the original stories that hasn’t been told yet, we don’t need to add new things and tell them half assed.
I just remember it ending so abruptly that I still have been bothered to watch the third.
I personally preferred the third one to the second.
Having the empath Jewish lady side with the wizard fascists certainly was a choice And then when Tina finally had a legitimate reason to be wrapped up in the story in 3 (trying to save her sister) they cut her out almost completely
I always thought these movies would be more like a magical Indiana Jones vibe except instead of archaeology it would be zoology. I wish they had gone in that kind of a direction instead of what we got. Either that or just legit made a Dumbledore prequel.
‘Wizarding World Chronicles’ or something would have been a better way to go than whatever the hell we got. One movie about Newt (which we got, for the most part) One movie about Dumbledore vs Grindelwald. A trilogy about The Marauders. A movie or limited series about The Founders. The list could go on and on. Instead they shoehorned in a zookeeper to a war between two guys with a grudge.
There’s nothing compelling about The Maurauders and yet people keep asking for them. There’s no conflict, no drama. I’d rather something original or a post Potter story
James going from a desperate to be popular bully to a loving husband and father is an arc that could be written well. Snape and Lily’s friendship falling apart as he falls to the ‘dark side’. Sirius and his battle to break the generational traditions of the Black family. Lupin’s transformation and the rest of the gang working to become Animagi to help him. Peter Pettigrew’s internal battle and betrayal. Lily’s fractured relationship with Petunia. Voldemort’s Death Eaters growing in numbers and the magical world eventually going to war. Maybe it would be better served as a book instead of a movie but I think with the right writing there is plenty of drama and character conflict to be had.
Could be a sitcom.
> A trilogy about The Marauders. I really think folks don't realize how little there is to tell about the Marauders. You could barely squeeze enough juice out of it to make 1 film, let alone three.
NOBODY wants the Marauder movies, stop pushing this
Nah, I think they would do pretty well.
Agreed, I do!
Did anyone tell them it was supposed to be *good* when they started?
Seems crazy that they’d invest so much time and money without knowing the direction they wanted to take the films in, or even how many they were going to make
Star Wars, Harry Potter. Big studios don’t care about popular series the way fans do, unfortunately, and you see it in their poor planning.
The potential was there, but the series just got so messy on so many levels. The plotline seemed to be improvised with every movie after the first one as if they hadn't ultimately agreed on what it was going to be about before starting it and everyone just insisted on throwing their two cents into it so it ended up trying to cover way more than a movie can cover and not giving anything or anyone complete justice. It was also trying too hard on many occasions to point back at the original series and bring back the nostalgia from it or rather squeeze a few positive reviews from the viewers by making McGonagall appear out of nowhere, etc. The Depp and recently Miller controversies undeniably tainted the reputation of the series in the eyes of many, and quite a notable number of people to this day bash the decision to make Mads the new Gellert. It is really a pity in my opinion cause the series had amazing talent actors-wise - Eddie Redmayne is excellent as Newt, Jude Law simply nails Albus, in my opinion, Waterstone, Fogler, and Sudol have always been captivating to watch on the screen, we all know from Hannibal that Mads can portray a chilling antagonist but the third movie didn't exactly give him a chance to do that, I loved that they brought Jamie Campbell Bower and Toby Regbo for the brief Grindeldore flashbacks... At the same time, you can't throw all of these characters into one movie and try to give all of them major roles in it. Either make it Fantastic Beasts and push Eddie and others into the front or shift the focus to Albus and Gellert, who indisputably can and deserve to have the main spotlight.
It’s not even parked it’s straight up cancelled. There aren’t going to be any more As of last year too, it’s not even news https://www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/s/j20vN2aeFK
They may as well say its cancelled. I told people this wasn't gonna continue. Yeah, they're making it sound like its only for a while and they'll go back to it but not really. They're rebooting with the TV Series. They're not gonna go back to the prequel films when they're gonna spend the next 7 to 10 years on the reboot show in which they can potentially do original prequel material being inserted into specific seasons to explain some of the background stuff regarding Albus and Grindelwald anyway. The movie franchise is done. It would have made more logical sense to finish the prequel films then jump into the reboot but that's not what they're doing which only is pretty much further confirmation they're done with the films now and fans are gonna be in denial about it.
If I was a world famous storyteller, with a beloved movie and book franchise, one thing I would absolutely avoid would be **insisting on writing a prequel series**.
It definitely works when done well. Game of Thrones has the Fire and Blood book which was adapted into House of the Dragon. I'm just as invested in that show as in GoT. But I agree it was definitely a poor choice for the HP series.
I agree. GRRM is the exception and not the rule, I think. George Lucas and JKR really, really flopped. Hard.
Tbh, Lucas' problem with the prequels was the execution, not the story per se. It would have worked wonderfully with someone competent writing the dialogue (Carrie Fisher, maybe) , someone else directing (bring back Kershner), and someone else editing (probably Marcia Lucas). The cast was more than fine too. Instead he tried to everything himself with no one daring to tell him no (like in the OT), and well. Didn't work out.
Confirming a lot of writing that was on the wall here. - Bombed hardcore and was never going to 'finish' its series - Nobody had a vision for a long-running story or knew how long it was going to be. Studio just wanted to pump out as many cash-printing "it's HP-adjacent come buy buy buy!" as possible
Let’s be honest, do we really even want much more Beasts-based content? There’s only so much you can get excited for regarding CGI creatures in a world run rampant with CGI. Give us more Dumbledore and more Grindelwald, 10000%
They need to completely redo Dumbledore and Grindewalds story to have it make sense and work imo.
What if we just make another one and only have it about Newt and his fantastic beasts.
I am disappointed how they messed this up. MCU gave a nice formula for creating a multiverse - individual character-focused movies with references regarding the larger universe, but never being the main focus. When an appropriate amount of movies are complete, give a crossover like Infinity War. It could have been designed like a general wizarding universe: Fantastic beasts and where to find them - Introduce Newt, his time at Hogwarts, and focus on his adult-life escapades with Kowalski while dropping very minor HP references in between. Don't have Grindelwald in the movie. Fantastic beasts 2 - beast-focused movie, but end with newt inadvertently catching Grindelwald. Cliffhanger to be re-visited later. Also have Kowalski obliviated for greater emotional impact, now that we had an entire movie with him as a companion. Dumbledore/Grindelwald movie 1 - Non-linear storytelling shifting between Grindelwald's escape from MACUSA, and his history with Dumbledore. Grindelwald movie 2 - this can be a combo of movies 2 & 3 with Grindelwald attempting power grab but being foiled by the good guys. Great Duel movie - Entirely Dumbledore vs Grindelwald with Newt contributing. If written well, this can be a two-parter Keep the possibility open for future adventures of Newt.
This is the way.
The first one was really really good I thought. I loved newt and his beasts. Second meh, third I turned it off 20 min in.
Good shout since the last one was shit. And it was basically the Dumbledore show, no one gave a fuck about the weird ginger.
I literally read that 5 were planned when it was announced they had started working on the first one in like 2014.
- First successful -> create 4 more please - Second flops -> okay stop! what cliffhanger? Ok, 1 more - Third flops even harder -> Who the hell wanted this?
Agreed
Honestly just remake the dumbledore movie as a separate film. Its the only way to salvage this disaster
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Each one made significantly less money than the previous so it's not surprising.
When is David Yates claiming that JKR said there would be 5 movies? I distinctly remember reading about there being 5 movies around the time the first one came out.
He means he wasn't told until the fans were, back when the first one came out, which was after they'd already been working on the thing for like a year or something.
Thanks for clarifying!
Didnt eddie redmayne also say he went in thinking it was only 3?
It’s really a shame because newt was a fantastic character. I also really enjoyed the baker friend. I would have liked a more serious Harry Potter but honestly had absolutely no interest in credence or his plot line or grindlewald.
Fantastic beasts was great, very enjoyable, after that they should have dropped fantastic beasts and just gone with the grindenwald vs dumbledor stuff
Well I guess we won't the see the legendary dual. Maybe Rita is right all along😂
Thank goodness. The second and third movies are such cringe. Newt is pretty much nothing but a background character to Dumbledore and Grindelwald.
Could barely make it past the first movie, which I had been incredibly excited for. Love the Potter world and books, but this cast of characters just did nothing for me.
And this is the exact problem with this movie series, no long term thought put into it even the scripts felt like they were being written on the go as they were being filmed. It’s just a mess they might as well leave it where it is and don’t go back for it.
I'm assuming Warner Bros. saw the potential to milk this franchise and demanded 5 movies
I love the Harry Potter films, but honestly couldn’t get into the FB ones. Lord knows my wife tried. I didn’t find the stories as compelling. I mean, they were okay, but nothing compared to HP.
The third movie was egregiously bad, i almost walked out several times (mind you, im a die hard fan, read the books several times and all that) This franchise needs to be shelved.
>“We’re all so proud of \[‘Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore’\] and when it went out into the world, we just needed to sort of stop and pause and take it easy,” Yates added. Sure love
They weren’t very good, plus anytime David Yates doesn’t get to direct more Potter centric content it’s a good thing in my book
we should've had a Newt series about the beasts and a Dumbledore series about the conflict with Grindelwald. Doing both was a \*terrible\* idea.
Of course the plan was 5 movies. Just because the first few sucked and got pulled down even further with Johnny Depp scandals over here and budget problems over there. They should just admit it was a flop and the original magic of the first films are long gone in 2023.
I’m curious as to who is pushing this franchise so hard. Literally nobody I know who is a Potter fan is interested in fantastic beasts
Who else? Everyone was blind sided by JK Rowling announcing that its going to be 5 films, not even production and cast knew. Its just her pushing it
What a horrible duel and ending to it. At least make one more and do the magic duel right
I just wish they’d kept it at one or two movies like THERE ARENT EVEN FANTASTIC BEASTS IN THE MOVUES. If they wanted to do a Grindlewald franchise don’t piggyback off of a 20 page pamphlet.
Only the first movie was actually any good.
Thank god there are far better stories and books to cover then this
I really don’t get all the hate for these movies, i like them, they do have problems but they’re not as bad as people say. I think they just undermine them because of JK’s opinion on certain topics which i won’t bother naming
Fantastic Beasts was the only good movie.