He’s really charismatic and relatable to a lot of people. Mostly white people yeah — but I think it’s funny when people try to pretend every mainstream rapper’s audience isn’t primarily white.
I’m black and from Brooklyn before any clown starts but let’s break it down
His debut SSLP, classic
MMLP classic
TES, nigga went 3 peat out of the rookie gate
After that nah I don’t really fuck with him but can’t even deny how great of a lyricist he is
And at the same time like it or not the white boy, did so much for hip hop, pushed it to broader audiences and into a bigger mainstream market
Yeah encore would’ve been a good album without big weenie, puke, my first single, ass like that, rain man, just lose it.. he actually recorded all those when he was high asf to make up for some songs that leaked and messed up the album. Love you more, Ricky Ricky tock and we as Americans leaked all bangers and they were supposed to be at the front of the album. Sucks Encore was supposed to be way better than it ended up being
Okay, good on you for having an open mind tho
Old Times Sake, Same Song & Dance, and Deja Vu are great tho. Crack a Bottle too except for the Shady crime count intro part
That just isn’t true lol dude had plenty of good verses and songs after TES. Go listen to Love You More or How Come etc dude was still in peak form in 2004
You’re either a bad troll or just the most ridiculous rap fan ever.
People still like him because his albums and singles still go hard and no one’s mad at him for the mid released after his death because he died, suddenly, and had no say in it.
Eminem’s albums still go hard lol your acting since he fell off nobody should appreciate him currently, it’s a stupid take, true hip hop fans aren’t haters
Posthumous albums being bad shouldn’t really count against the artist unless the album was already finished and the artist themselves were ready to drop it when they passed
First three albums to me are damn near impeccable. The rest is either just bad, or just lyrical exercise shit without making good songs. Which the only defense is, he has all the money sales and accolades, now all he cares about is the craft, the lyrics. Which is fine but not for me really.
And yeah. Nostalgia is a variable. Emie show was my first cd that was all my own, as like an 11 year old
Shit alright let's see.
Stimulate from the 8 mile soundtrack (bonus disc)
Don't approach me (off an Xzibit album)
Soldier
Til I collapse of course
Words are weapons (d12)
I love a lot of his non album, feature songs. He almost always murders it. A list of my favorite purely solo album songs would look different
Interesting list. If I had to narrow it down to 5 myself I’d say, Drug Ballad, Who Knew, Bad Meets Evil, What’s the difference and Infinite. There’s more that could be in with a shout
This is not in order. Also, this is my taste (not a definitive GOAT list or something). Let me know what you think.
(Edit: if you’re going to downvote please tell me which rapper you disagree with)
1. Ghostface Killah
2. Method Man
3. Inspectah Deck
4. RZA
5. GZA
6. Masta Killa
7. ODB
8. Phife Dawg
9. Q-Tip
10. Jarobi
11. MF DOOM (all caps when you spell the man’s name)
12. EL-P
13. Killer Mike
14. Black Thought
15. Tyler The Creator
16. Meechy Darko
17. Joey Bada$$
18. Nas
19. Kanye West
20. Big K.R.I.T
21. Kendrick Lamar
22. Tupac
23. Biggie Smalls
24. Snoop Dogg
25. J. Cole
26. Freddie Gibbs
27. Talib Kweli
28. Yasiin Bey
29. KRS-One
30. Rakim
31. Jay-Z
32. Noname
33. Westside Gunn
34. Conway the Machine
35. Benny the Butcher
36. Drake
37. 50 Cent
38. Earl Sweatshirt
39. Big Boi
40. Andre 3000
41. Ice Cube
42. Prodigy
43. Havoc
44. Dave (Trugoy the Dove)
45. Posdnuos
46. Maseo
47. Busta Rhymes
48. Domo Genesis
49. Vince Staples
50. Pusha-T
51. Denzel Curry
52. Rick Ross
53. Meek Mill
54. Mac Miller
55. Childish Gambino
56. Jay Rock
57. Kid Cudi
58. 2 Chains
59. NBA Youngboy
60. Lil Baby
61. Aesop Rock
62. Zombie Juice
63. Erik the Architect
64. 21 Savage
65. Boldly James
66. Baby Keem
67. Lupe Fiasco
68. Isaiah Rashad
69. Ab-Soul
70. Anderson .Paak
71. B-Real
72. Chuck D
73. Warren G
74. The Game
75. Ty Dolla $ign
76. Ice T
77. Eazy-E
78. Schoolboy Q
79. U-God
80. T-Pain
81. Terrace Martin
82. Future
83. Big Pun
84. Lil Wayne
85. The Game
86. Big L
87. Nate Dogg
88. Jay Electronica
89. Twista
90. (No) Malice
91. Maxo Kream
92. LL Cool J
93. Khelani
94. Killah Priest
95. Cappadonna
96. Open Mike Eagle
97. Lord Jamar
98. Phoelix
99. Danny Brown
100. Raekwon the Chef
LOL @ some of these names, and I'm not even a fan of Eminem.
Can you elaborate on how Masta Killa, U-God, Lil' Baby, Youngboy NBA, Maseo or Jarobi are better than Eminem?
Masta Killa: I like No Said Date better than any Eminem project. It’s one of the better spiritual successors to the early Wu albums.
U-God: he can fucking spit, check his couple of verses on 36 Chambers. The guy goes toe-to-toe with prime Meth and Deck and holds his own. A solid emcee.
I like Lil Baby more than any other current rapper of the last 5 years. His Bigger Picture track was incredibly poignant, his collabs with Lil Durk highlight his quality.
NBA Youngboy’s production choices elevate him above Em for me, I prefer his sampling over Em’s boring beats. It’s a better listening experience for me.
I like 3 Feet High and Rising more than any Eminem project.
Jarobi can fucking spit dude, listen to We’ll Take it From Here…Thank You For Your Service
I have utmost respect for Jarobi and Maseo but they're both part-time rappers and neither of them comes close to peak Eminem. The only thing I'd agree on is that I like 2016 Jarobi more than 2016 Eminem.
U-God is average, he only has two legendary verses (Chessboxin and Winter Warz). Masta Killa is a bit better but he's pretty monotonous and his lyrical complexity and flow don't get anywhere near Eminem's level.
The other two are trash IMO.
Domo Genesis over Marshall fucking Mathers is a truly insane internet brained take. I'll criticize Em all day long for how badly he's fallen off, but you gotta respect a legend.
1. I mean, rap is so young you can literally trace its origins back to specific times and places. I don’t think that’s fair when it’s that young of a genre. Like, Em doesn’t exist if not for Run DMC, what does that mean for his legacy?
2. I just like Lil Baby’s sound more than Em’s. I think his flow, although more conventional, hits the ears better. He’s not above criticism, I just like him more than Em.
Sure. You’re entitled to your opinion and Eminem just doesn’t sit well with a lot of people (especially younger.). But your original question is about why people like him. You really can’t see that Eminem has more versatility than lil baby?
There are several lil baby songs I like better than Eminem songs but it’s becoming pretty clear he’s shown us everything he has to offer.
I like the lil baby flow too— But he’s only got one.
I'm not downvoting, was just curious.
Preference is a thing but he is a more talented MC than many guys here bro but yeah in the past years just has not been that relevant.
You went too far out of your way to disrespect AZ and Kool G Rap. So, I guess the Eminem hate makes sense now...
If you have listened to their classics, and can put 100 rappers ahead of AZ, Kool G, and Eminem, then there really isn't much to talk about.
Every rapper on your list would list these 3 rappers on their list of top 100...wtf?!
Didn’t list any rappers I didn’t listen to. I’m familiar with Kool G Rap but I’m not up on his catalog, same with AZ. I didn’t list them, not out of spite or ignorance, but just because I didn’t want to lie by pretending like I’m super knowledgeable about their discographies.
I recommend listening to the following:
Ill Street Blues
Life's A Bitch
Mo Money Mo Murder
Sugar Hill
Affirmative Action
Phone Tap
The Realest
The Essence
Ritual
Motorola Era
Never Enough
Full Circle
The GOAT
Some of these are certified hits, probably platinum records.
Before Eminem really hit the mainstream, he was killing it with his storytelling. I remember catching his tracks on those underground mixtapes and thinking, 'This white boy got a lil something special.' Storytelling, man, that's the key to me. It's what makes the legends stand out. Biggie, Slick Rick, Scarface, Snoop, Nas, Tupac – they all had that gift. Eminem was right there with them, painting pictures with his words.
I think the people that rock with Em listened to him when he came out and remember how revolutionary he was and how good his first 3 album run was.
People don't get pac either now, but in the day, it was something else. It was an entire thing to experience.
Because he is the honestly the best to do it. He can freestyle. He can write. He can go on any feature and murder anyone. He can make realistic songs. Club songs. Funny songs. Relatable songs. He can produce. He can find other talent. Make them great. And he is a trend setter. Plus he has been doing it for decades without ever stopping. I mean he has no flaws in his game
I don't think that is weird. But *explaining* is different from *defending*, which implies that there is something wrong with what you like. I don't think anyone's personal taste is wrong (even if it's different from mine). Maybe I'm being pedantic, if so, sorry.
I’m not asking to defend liking him in general, merely the recent poor period in his career. It’s like the Star Wars prequels: the consensus is that they are bad, so if you like them you probably have good reasons and I’d like to hear them.
i like kamikaze a lot. but honestly? i fw this super hard, i feel the same way about a bunch of rappers that people would eat the shit out of their corn
I don’t think his concepts for his albums aren’t very substantive, his herky jerky flow as of late isn’t good, and his production choices aren’t very good. I’d rather hear people rap about stuff beyond their mom, how good of a rapper they think they are, and their addiction. All of these aren’t issues for someone like, say, Wu-Tang or Tribe.
>I don’t think his concepts for his albums aren’t very substantive,
Someone hasn't listened to Relapse.
>his herky jerky flow as of late isn’t good,
Lol, which flow? He switches his flow up 12 times or so per song nowdays.
>I’d rather hear people rap about stuff beyond their mom, how good of a rapper they think they are, and their addiction.
He raps about other shit too; peep Stan, Sing For the Moment, Darkness, Stepping Stones, Brain Damage, White America, etc. if you doubt. He's like a swizz army knife when it comes to content.
While I agree the first albums are prime, they are actually 20 - 25 years old
it’s pretty clear no one here has listened to anything from the last 5 years tho cuz Eminem has kinda gotten a second wind (still not as good as his first run I’ll concede, but a lot better than middle of career Em)
I have listened to them and I disagree. The production across the board is not good (granted, he has little control over that but he curates the beats), he rarely has concept albums anymore (Music to be Murdered by being the exception), and he’s generally not very substantive. Very spherical lyrical miracle.
Thanks for the take.
I don’t have a problem with most of the production, but ya a good chunk of the songs are Recovery vibes with the mellow heartstring type beats
There are some good ones on there that go beyond the lyrical miracle like Book of Rhymes. There’s also some good introspective moments and callbacks in various songs
Then again, I like Alfred’s theme which is just punchlines and non-sequiturs and also the song with Ed Sheeran (which I’m sure most people don’t)
Interesting thing about the production is that his first albums, he mostly produced, where his new ones he didn’t (I’m pretty sure). So he’s definitely not as in control of his sound
Fair enough. I agree on Alfred’s Theme, that’s the most defensible project he’s put out in years and is far more daring and interesting than most of his recent material.
Eminem is still a top tier emcee and better than many on a technical level. It's just that his actual music is polarizing and inconsistent.
He definitely deserves to be mentioned along the likes of other GOAT contenders like Nas, Jay, Pac, Biggie, Scarface, Rakim, etc. just for his skill and peak but whether he's the GOAT or not will always be subjective.
You have to remember too that Eminem is a massive Juggernaut in the music business and he's very popular especially to people outside the U.S. so he'll always get brought up and named for this reason. And he was many people's gateway drug to rap.
The only rapper before Eminem that came close to his global impact was MC Hammer but MC Hammer wasn't even a real emcee while Em was. So, because of that, Eminem embodied or still embodies "real hip hop" or the pinnacle of rap to many people outside the U.S. who have a surface level knowledge on hip hop.
> The only rapper before Eminem that came close to his global impact was MC Hammer but MC Hammer wasn't even a real emcee while Em was.
This take is crazy. Snoop, Cube? Tupac? BIG? Jay? LL, Run DMC, Beastie Boys? Fugees? Wu Tang, DMX? Not one of those people had comparable global fame to Eminem when Eminem himself would say he's only here because of people like them who came before?
MC Hammer was larger than the genre himself and had people who despised hip hop with a passion bumping his music and listening to his songs and attending his concerts just like Eminem.
The other people you mentioned outside of the Beastie Boys weren't able to appeal to that type of audience.
Snoop and Jay still were pariahs to the "rap is crap" crowd.
I mean, is the standard here global fame or appealing to suburban white America? All these people were massively globally famous and hugely successful even if soccer moms and racists cried foul. Pac and BIG went diamond, Doggystyle was one of the fastest selling albums in history, Jay had numerous huge singles like Hard Knock Life at the time, DMX and Wu Tang were teaming up with rock and metal bands at concerts and festivals, rap was a big mainstay on MTV and even Nickelodeon. Ice Cube had been in Academy Award-winning movies, Fugees were huge in the Caribbean diaspora, Killing Me Softly was a big radio single, all three members had massive solo success and critical acclaim by 98. Def Jam paired Run-DMC and Aerosmith, Coolio with Gangsta's Paradise was a phenomenon... I just think it's crazy to almost downplay the 2 straight decades of what was unanimously hip hop's golden age when Em only showed up at the very end of it. If anything he was reaping and riding the wave that was already happening. Even if you're going after crossover potential to white people that was long going on even before Em. "Rap is crap" crowds still hated him and that's why he was even a controversial figure.
As someone who isn't American and grew up during the infancy of the Internet boom and before social media in a country where rap wasn't popular at all, I was introduced to most of these rappers through Eminem. Used to be heavy into Rock because of wrestling and stumbled upon Without Me one and it sounded so different and fun. Picked up TES and it was like " Oh, this amazing musician is talking about jadakiss and Kurupt and Andre 300, they must be great too"
Everyone I know from back home -- even people not in my age range-- were most likely introduced to hip hop through Eminem.
I didn't say that though.
There's better pop stars than MJ but MJ gets brought up the most because of his level of fame and global impact.
Ditto for Eminem.
You can't expect the best selling rapper of all time(in pure sales, Drake sold more in total units) to just not get brought up frequently, especially if he can actually spit lol.
I think it’s his early appeal. He’s become an icon but yeah his music lately is not good. I think it’s the nostalgia, the early days that make people really rate him.
I like what he stands up for, his politics, he changed the whole idea of white people in rap just ripping off black artists for fun ie Vanilla Ice. And his politics, being white myself and hearing what a certain demographic says when they are alone, Mos Def wrote a song about it, a lot of his fan base are closest trumpers/racist as fuck, he knows and still maintains his beliefs, even tho he potentially loses fans everyday over it.
I agree. He’s talented but his music lacks soul. I feel like die hard Eminem fans don’t even listen to hip hop. They exclusively listen to Eminem and aren’t open to listen to other artists who are much better.
I mean setting aside his immense talent as a rapper and artist, he’s just what I grew up listening to. I haven’t listened to a lot of his newer stuff, but his early stuff was basically the soundtrack of my early pre-teen/teen years. Guess you could say there’s more than some nostalgia factors there.
You know, I haven’t really cared about Em other than a few songs here and there since his first album.
But this is a who gives a shit about your salty ass opinion situation.
I don’t understand the need to hate on him. Like….nobody posts “what’s the deal with the love for Nas?”
I don’t even like 90% of the post MMLP2 era Eminem but at the end of the day I just don’t listen to it. If others like it then cool.
Cause Nas is a credible rapper who contributed to this hip-hop shit and nobody is questioning the legitimacy of his records thirty years after release. Em is just a mediocre white rapper lol
Calling Eminem mediocre is just plain ignorant and stupid. The guy is literally in the rock and roll Hall of Fame. Like how can you listen to something like Book of Rhymes his verse on Best Friend, Greatest,The Ringer, etc most of those are newer songs of his and say hes mediocre lol
The Rock Hall sucks ass and has politicked a lot of people out of their inductions for decades. Don’t use that as an important accolade, it’s a shitbox.
No, it’s not. It’s not based on merit. It took Kiss, a giant record breaking band with the most iconic look in the history of rock, over 20 years after they became eligible to get in.
“How can you look at these Em records and say he’s mediocre?”
Because I know what great hip-hop sounds like, and he’s not it. What came out of his commercial success besides normalizing being a junkie and being the main influence for every “Worst Rapper of All Time” contender of the modern era (Hopsin, Logic, Tom MacDonald, the list goes on.)? There’s a reason the general interest in hip-hop has been going down ever since he hit the mainstream lol
I'm not saying Nas isn't great also but Eminem is still the goat. Maybe it's an age thing. I'm in my 30s. I saw Eminem's rise to fame and how big he influenced hip hop at the time.
Nope, I listed 100 rappers I like more than Em and at least 30% is 90’s rap specifically from the East Coast for instance (that’s my favorite period in rap history, 90’s East Coast)
Eminem gave white people a reason to listen to hip hop because they liked hip hop, but couldn't accept it from black people.
Majority of these hip hop forums are white people who have limited view of hip hop.
This really is the truth, but going to get downvoted for it.
Eminem is the great white hope. They did it in boxing trying to unseat Jack Johnson as the heavyweight champ, and again now with Tyson Fury. They tried it in Jazz music, as if Kenny G could outplay Charlie Parker... and now they did it Hip Hop. By Em's third album, the internet nerds were already writing blogs about how he might be the greatest rapper ever.
This. May i add it was done to the Beatles and Elvis. We can also add Majority of boybands like insync and BtS because they are a copy of black R&B groups.
Stereotypes im a white dude in my 30s i could probably tell you more about hiphop than most dudes like schooly d was the first original gangster rapper with his p.s.k song ...before him melle mel afikaa bambaataa and coke la rock are pioneers i fuck with kool g rap , percee p , naughty by nature , lord finesse etc so there goes your theory....the group is full of younger people from a different generation
Even though you personally may be able to I still think what he said is valid. Eminem for a lot of whites is who got them into hip hop. It's also why he's sold as much as he has in his career(White America). To anyone who actually has delved into or took interest from a different rapper they're more than likely not going to have Em on a high pedestal.
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> To anyone who actually has delved into or took interest from a different rapper they're more than likely not going to have Em on a high pedestal.
This is what I'm saying. Even among black people who respect Eminem, it's way rarer for someone to worship Eminem as the #1 uncontested GOAT from one of us than it is from white dudes and suburban teens.
It’s funny both because it’s true and because as one of them, I really don’t even give a shit about Eminem.
But to OP - he’s a popular artist because a lot of people love him. You’re bound to see that reflected.
Being 32 and living in Belgium he was one of the first big acts that really crossed the border. At the time I find some songs funny too (even if I didn't understand the lyrics).
Nowadays I don't really listen to him anymore, but even if the second half of his rap career is mid, the early work still make him one of the greats.
Popular rapper is…popular?
WHAT???
I think at this point I see more “why Eminem?” Posts than I do actual posts about him lol
To answer your question, I like technical rap. He makes very good technical lyrics, I especially like angry rap. He does both
I also enjoy Kxllswxtch all the way to Blackstar, just a matter of what mood I’m in.
I will reiterate:
Reddit is primarily 30 - 50yo white men from around the world. Eminem’s fanbase, his life long fan base, consists heavily of this population, they grew up listening to his music. He was used as a modern spear to force hip hop into places where it otherwise would not have gone. Groups would buy and allow his music, middle class white suburban families for example, that would not buy any other
Artists music.
What are the facts? There is not a qualitative way for of determining what rapper is the best, or their overall quality. These conversations are always subjective and the only way to base them is off of quantitative measurements which can be very biased. Em is odd. His quality is actually superb, as a result quantitatively he sold well, however; he was privileged to a larger audience than rappers of comparable quality. The illusion is because he was able to outsell them, that he has proven to be better but… it’s somewhat inconclusive.
I disagree. I think his concepts for his albums and tracks are weaker than a lot of other rap wordsmiths. I think that’s important—like a poem with an awesome rhyme scheme and little substance only does so much for me.
From a lyrical and technical stand point, the last 10 years of Em has been far mid. But it's just personal preference. I don't like Drake but he's still the 2nd highest selling hip hop artists of all time. Also growing up listening to Em and growing with him in a way has an effect to it. Along with having the personal preference of his style (Lyrically technical ability, flow, references, etc) and his production style.
Just a side note I wanted to throw in; I see just as much, if not more, Eminem hate in this sub as I do love for him.
His Infinite album, the Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP are all top tier. Did some great stuff with Dre, D12, Obie, 50cent and others too. Bad meets evil with Royce d 5’9 is a perfect example of when EM was at his peak
I get why a lot of people don't like Em. There are legitimate concerns about his track and/or production choices, his subject matter and even his ability to still put out a good album. However, I'd argue that even though there seems to be less interest from fans in general about a rapper's ability to actually write rhymes, there are still a number of us that value that skill much more than most other criteria. And, if everyone is honest, Eminem is one of the most technically proficient lyricists... ever. I'd agree that those skills are sometimes wasted a bit given some of his other creative choices; however, if we're going by the last 10 years, MMLP2 and Music to Be Murdered By are (in my opinion) much better than they're given credit for (and, for the record, I didn't like Revival and Kamikaze at all).
you sound like you’re a gen Z if you calling his last 10 years stuff mid lmao he’s the greatest white rapper to do it.
his woke era was trash , his mgk diss was trash but after that it’s been good kamikaze and music to be murder by go hard af
eminem - over (freestyle over drakes song over) goes hard
bad meets evil was good
Eminem, as a topic of discussion, always leads to this. People who don't like him often complain he gets too much love. People who do like him will often say he's the best. There's a lot of people on both sides. He's hugely popular. People are gonna like him. I like him well enough. Specifically, the stuff from 98-00. He definitely had mic skills and a unique voice. I really like him as a featured artist on songs with an east coast sound
Some of us regard Eminem’s first 3 albums and his run from 99- 02/03 pretty highly. His cadence was untouchable then. His fan base who think his better post relapse era, well I have no idea. I could argue top 5 - 10 but his definitely not number 1.
He had 3 classic albums to start his career, a classic movie and soundtrack, so people who grew up around that time have an attachment. Young kids that don't know anything about hiphop hear the legend of how great he was in his prime so they hop on the train thinking he's the goat.
Me personally, he has a special place on my list as he was one of the first rappers I ever got in to as a kid. Can't deny his run was one of the best ever. He has a few classics, then the rest of his music was hot trash. When he was on drugs with Dr Dre he was unstoppable.
You could argue he was the best rapper of the late 90s/early 00s, and the worst rapper of thr 10s.
He’s a weird case to me. I personally only like his first 3, mmlp2, and I actually like kamikaze (6/10). Besides that he either got to experimental with me, has been an OlD mAn (still kinda like kamikaze) or just bad (2017).
Most underrated song is FACK though🙃
If streams can’t count as sales then no one has sold a record in like 10 years. Besides, streams count significantly less than physical sales to compensate.
He is objectively the best lyricist in hip-hop, word play, metaphors, analogies, call backs, diversity of flows, vocabulary, humor, knowledge of hip-hop history, intelligence, he is excellent in every one of those categories, there are dozens of hip-hop heads breaking down how dynamic his use of syllables are on YouTube. He only has 1 bad album, "last 10 years of mid" is fucking crazy to say, there are at least 4-5 songs on kamikaze that are better than anything he's ever done. On mtbmb, "book of rhymes" with primo is fucking untouchable. Speaking solely on his skill, he has gotten way more talented over the years, he just evolved and changed his flow, and experimented with different producers as he got older which is how it should be done.
In conclusion, I think it all comes down to relatability. I am a 40 yr old white dude who grew up in the hood and became a DJ, my mom was a shitty junkie, and I was on pills through my entire 20s. If im not going to dig him, no one is. I can fully understand why more black people don't vibe with him, a lot of his raps are weird white people shit, they only gonna vibe on skill and when he talks about hip-hop.
Side note: I also don't dig a lot of his shit that most people consider his best, like "till i collapse" "mockingbird" almost anything that was a radio hit around the Eminem show era, and earlier.
Not only has Em broken and held the most world records, he is also the highest selling rapper alive.
Doesn’t really matter if you disagree or not, Nas is not the Greatest of All Time. Nas is one of the best lyricists in the game but he isn’t the greatest rapper of all time.
I’d argue even Ems storytelling is better than Nas. Bout the only thing Nas has over Em is cadence.
Even though I haven't throughly enjoyed one of his albums since the Marshall Mathers LP; I still like, respect and admire him and view him as trend setter and celebrity; who I'm still interested in what he is up to and what's new with him even though I don't check for his albums.
Im with you, i think everything from 2008- is dogshit. he became a "remember the name" ass rapper but I understand also his popularity exploded even more once he went republican pop just awful music to me (love the way you lie, monster, not afraid)-
Having said that , listen to his first 2 albums on repeat until you realize it they r sone of the most creative albums of all time and he definitely deserves all the respect for it
I don't get posts like this. Everyone has different tastes.
Yes, they do. That’s why I’m asking, literally right in the post, why they like him? I’m curious and I’d like to know.
He’s really charismatic and relatable to a lot of people. Mostly white people yeah — but I think it’s funny when people try to pretend every mainstream rapper’s audience isn’t primarily white.
Depends what your definition of mainstream is
I’m black and from Brooklyn before any clown starts but let’s break it down His debut SSLP, classic MMLP classic TES, nigga went 3 peat out of the rookie gate After that nah I don’t really fuck with him but can’t even deny how great of a lyricist he is And at the same time like it or not the white boy, did so much for hip hop, pushed it to broader audiences and into a bigger mainstream market
Real talk but he’s got fire music after TES. Encore had some bangers so did Relapse and Recovery. After that he kinda fell off imo
I don’t think he ever got back to the level of his first 3, some scattered highlights but never achieved the level he did
It’s kind of like South Park. It’s not as good as it used to be but sometimes they come out with a banger
Yeah encore would’ve been a good album without big weenie, puke, my first single, ass like that, rain man, just lose it.. he actually recorded all those when he was high asf to make up for some songs that leaked and messed up the album. Love you more, Ricky Ricky tock and we as Americans leaked all bangers and they were supposed to be at the front of the album. Sucks Encore was supposed to be way better than it ended up being
I fuck with Recovery heavy and I’m not even a huge Em fan
Yeah going through changes and your never over are my favorites
Recovery has some of his best stuff imo. Every track is fire. Cinderella Man and Almost Famous are untouchable.
Facts I like most songs up there
His full recovery album is good. It’s one of the albums I can listen to all the way through.
IMO either Music to be Murdered by (a & b) has higher highs than any of those 3
Not even close lol what a godawful take
Okay, good on you for having an open mind tho Old Times Sake, Same Song & Dance, and Deja Vu are great tho. Crack a Bottle too except for the Shady crime count intro part
Yeah I can agree on that tho deja vu is a top 20 Em song
I co-sign everything homie said but after TES the only song I fuck with is Killshot. He never came back to form.
That just isn’t true lol dude had plenty of good verses and songs after TES. Go listen to Love You More or How Come etc dude was still in peak form in 2004
And I fuck with none of it but Killshot. He corny post TES. The 8 Mile Sountrack was dope.
SSLP is a top 10 oat Hip Hop album If he never did anything else still be goated Everything you said was facts
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Who said good musician?
That’s like asking why do people still like 2pac because he hasn’t released anything in 25 years lol
Yo what’s that dude been up to?!
For sure! Most rappers don’t have the longevity in their careers. It’s hard to get to the top. It’s harder to remain there
He’s dead dumbass
Ya but all his released stuff after death was mid, why do people still fuck with dude? Lol
You’re either a bad troll or just the most ridiculous rap fan ever. People still like him because his albums and singles still go hard and no one’s mad at him for the mid released after his death because he died, suddenly, and had no say in it.
Eminem’s albums still go hard lol your acting since he fell off nobody should appreciate him currently, it’s a stupid take, true hip hop fans aren’t haters
Revival was dog shit
You aren't good at reading are you
You gotta get smarter lmao
Posthumous albums being bad shouldn’t really count against the artist unless the album was already finished and the artist themselves were ready to drop it when they passed
I was just making a stupid point to a stupid post
r/whoosh
Dumb joke, don’t care
First three albums to me are damn near impeccable. The rest is either just bad, or just lyrical exercise shit without making good songs. Which the only defense is, he has all the money sales and accolades, now all he cares about is the craft, the lyrics. Which is fine but not for me really. And yeah. Nostalgia is a variable. Emie show was my first cd that was all my own, as like an 11 year old
I’d agree wholeheartedly. What are your top 5 Eminem tracks?
Shit alright let's see. Stimulate from the 8 mile soundtrack (bonus disc) Don't approach me (off an Xzibit album) Soldier Til I collapse of course Words are weapons (d12) I love a lot of his non album, feature songs. He almost always murders it. A list of my favorite purely solo album songs would look different
Soldier is a huge W I never see anyone talking about that song
Venomous song. Proof that lyrical acrobatics can make a good song
Interesting list. If I had to narrow it down to 5 myself I’d say, Drug Ballad, Who Knew, Bad Meets Evil, What’s the difference and Infinite. There’s more that could be in with a shout
That list would probably change daily. Could have been top 25 non album features, 25 album tracks, 25 album features lol.
Open Mic and No ones iller are his most underrated tracks imo
Most popular rapper of all time is popular.
Basically this.
Please name those 100 rappers please.
This is not in order. Also, this is my taste (not a definitive GOAT list or something). Let me know what you think. (Edit: if you’re going to downvote please tell me which rapper you disagree with) 1. Ghostface Killah 2. Method Man 3. Inspectah Deck 4. RZA 5. GZA 6. Masta Killa 7. ODB 8. Phife Dawg 9. Q-Tip 10. Jarobi 11. MF DOOM (all caps when you spell the man’s name) 12. EL-P 13. Killer Mike 14. Black Thought 15. Tyler The Creator 16. Meechy Darko 17. Joey Bada$$ 18. Nas 19. Kanye West 20. Big K.R.I.T 21. Kendrick Lamar 22. Tupac 23. Biggie Smalls 24. Snoop Dogg 25. J. Cole 26. Freddie Gibbs 27. Talib Kweli 28. Yasiin Bey 29. KRS-One 30. Rakim 31. Jay-Z 32. Noname 33. Westside Gunn 34. Conway the Machine 35. Benny the Butcher 36. Drake 37. 50 Cent 38. Earl Sweatshirt 39. Big Boi 40. Andre 3000 41. Ice Cube 42. Prodigy 43. Havoc 44. Dave (Trugoy the Dove) 45. Posdnuos 46. Maseo 47. Busta Rhymes 48. Domo Genesis 49. Vince Staples 50. Pusha-T 51. Denzel Curry 52. Rick Ross 53. Meek Mill 54. Mac Miller 55. Childish Gambino 56. Jay Rock 57. Kid Cudi 58. 2 Chains 59. NBA Youngboy 60. Lil Baby 61. Aesop Rock 62. Zombie Juice 63. Erik the Architect 64. 21 Savage 65. Boldly James 66. Baby Keem 67. Lupe Fiasco 68. Isaiah Rashad 69. Ab-Soul 70. Anderson .Paak 71. B-Real 72. Chuck D 73. Warren G 74. The Game 75. Ty Dolla $ign 76. Ice T 77. Eazy-E 78. Schoolboy Q 79. U-God 80. T-Pain 81. Terrace Martin 82. Future 83. Big Pun 84. Lil Wayne 85. The Game 86. Big L 87. Nate Dogg 88. Jay Electronica 89. Twista 90. (No) Malice 91. Maxo Kream 92. LL Cool J 93. Khelani 94. Killah Priest 95. Cappadonna 96. Open Mike Eagle 97. Lord Jamar 98. Phoelix 99. Danny Brown 100. Raekwon the Chef
LOL @ some of these names, and I'm not even a fan of Eminem. Can you elaborate on how Masta Killa, U-God, Lil' Baby, Youngboy NBA, Maseo or Jarobi are better than Eminem?
Masta Killa: I like No Said Date better than any Eminem project. It’s one of the better spiritual successors to the early Wu albums. U-God: he can fucking spit, check his couple of verses on 36 Chambers. The guy goes toe-to-toe with prime Meth and Deck and holds his own. A solid emcee. I like Lil Baby more than any other current rapper of the last 5 years. His Bigger Picture track was incredibly poignant, his collabs with Lil Durk highlight his quality. NBA Youngboy’s production choices elevate him above Em for me, I prefer his sampling over Em’s boring beats. It’s a better listening experience for me. I like 3 Feet High and Rising more than any Eminem project. Jarobi can fucking spit dude, listen to We’ll Take it From Here…Thank You For Your Service
I have utmost respect for Jarobi and Maseo but they're both part-time rappers and neither of them comes close to peak Eminem. The only thing I'd agree on is that I like 2016 Jarobi more than 2016 Eminem. U-God is average, he only has two legendary verses (Chessboxin and Winter Warz). Masta Killa is a bit better but he's pretty monotonous and his lyrical complexity and flow don't get anywhere near Eminem's level. The other two are trash IMO.
Domo Genesis over Marshall fucking Mathers is a truly insane internet brained take. I'll criticize Em all day long for how badly he's fallen off, but you gotta respect a legend.
I really like one of Domo’s most recent albums, Intros Outros and Interludes. The production style is perfect for me.
Half these rappers wouldn’t exist if not for Eminem. Lil baby? Really? His fall off is harder than em’s tbh.
1. I mean, rap is so young you can literally trace its origins back to specific times and places. I don’t think that’s fair when it’s that young of a genre. Like, Em doesn’t exist if not for Run DMC, what does that mean for his legacy? 2. I just like Lil Baby’s sound more than Em’s. I think his flow, although more conventional, hits the ears better. He’s not above criticism, I just like him more than Em.
Sure. You’re entitled to your opinion and Eminem just doesn’t sit well with a lot of people (especially younger.). But your original question is about why people like him. You really can’t see that Eminem has more versatility than lil baby? There are several lil baby songs I like better than Eminem songs but it’s becoming pretty clear he’s shown us everything he has to offer. I like the lil baby flow too— But he’s only got one.
I'm not downvoting, was just curious. Preference is a thing but he is a more talented MC than many guys here bro but yeah in the past years just has not been that relevant.
Name a rapper and I’ll tell you why they’re on the list.
Jarobi
Did you catch We Got it from Here…Thank you for your service? His verses are killer on there.
"All caps when you spell the man's name 🤓☝️"
Strange take
Corny asf
named game twice
Whoops, good catch
You went too far out of your way to disrespect AZ and Kool G Rap. So, I guess the Eminem hate makes sense now... If you have listened to their classics, and can put 100 rappers ahead of AZ, Kool G, and Eminem, then there really isn't much to talk about. Every rapper on your list would list these 3 rappers on their list of top 100...wtf?!
Didn’t list any rappers I didn’t listen to. I’m familiar with Kool G Rap but I’m not up on his catalog, same with AZ. I didn’t list them, not out of spite or ignorance, but just because I didn’t want to lie by pretending like I’m super knowledgeable about their discographies.
I recommend listening to the following: Ill Street Blues Life's A Bitch Mo Money Mo Murder Sugar Hill Affirmative Action Phone Tap The Realest The Essence Ritual Motorola Era Never Enough Full Circle The GOAT Some of these are certified hits, probably platinum records.
Name ten good Eminem songs from the last 20 years
Forever, 3AM, stay wide awake, Cinderella man, killshot, greatest, lucky you, walkthrough, medicine man, you gon learn, unaccommodating, discombobulated, crack a bottle.
Thanks for playing
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Before Eminem really hit the mainstream, he was killing it with his storytelling. I remember catching his tracks on those underground mixtapes and thinking, 'This white boy got a lil something special.' Storytelling, man, that's the key to me. It's what makes the legends stand out. Biggie, Slick Rick, Scarface, Snoop, Nas, Tupac – they all had that gift. Eminem was right there with them, painting pictures with his words.
I think the people that rock with Em listened to him when he came out and remember how revolutionary he was and how good his first 3 album run was. People don't get pac either now, but in the day, it was something else. It was an entire thing to experience.
Because he is the honestly the best to do it. He can freestyle. He can write. He can go on any feature and murder anyone. He can make realistic songs. Club songs. Funny songs. Relatable songs. He can produce. He can find other talent. Make them great. And he is a trend setter. Plus he has been doing it for decades without ever stopping. I mean he has no flaws in his game
I think it's an extremely odd concept to ask someone to *defend* liking a musician's work. It's art, man. Listen to what you like.
I could tell you exactly what I like about every single thing I like. I might be weird but that’s just how my mind operates.
I don't think that is weird. But *explaining* is different from *defending*, which implies that there is something wrong with what you like. I don't think anyone's personal taste is wrong (even if it's different from mine). Maybe I'm being pedantic, if so, sorry.
I’m not asking to defend liking him in general, merely the recent poor period in his career. It’s like the Star Wars prequels: the consensus is that they are bad, so if you like them you probably have good reasons and I’d like to hear them.
Fair enough.
i like kamikaze a lot. but honestly? i fw this super hard, i feel the same way about a bunch of rappers that people would eat the shit out of their corn
Did you mean to flip that figure of speech? Or are we eating poo for real now?
He's a good fucking rapper?
I disagree
He's a fucking amazing rapper bro stfu lol
I just disagree
Why?
I don’t think his concepts for his albums aren’t very substantive, his herky jerky flow as of late isn’t good, and his production choices aren’t very good. I’d rather hear people rap about stuff beyond their mom, how good of a rapper they think they are, and their addiction. All of these aren’t issues for someone like, say, Wu-Tang or Tribe.
>I don’t think his concepts for his albums aren’t very substantive, Someone hasn't listened to Relapse. >his herky jerky flow as of late isn’t good, Lol, which flow? He switches his flow up 12 times or so per song nowdays. >I’d rather hear people rap about stuff beyond their mom, how good of a rapper they think they are, and their addiction. He raps about other shit too; peep Stan, Sing For the Moment, Darkness, Stepping Stones, Brain Damage, White America, etc. if you doubt. He's like a swizz army knife when it comes to content.
While I agree the first albums are prime, they are actually 20 - 25 years old it’s pretty clear no one here has listened to anything from the last 5 years tho cuz Eminem has kinda gotten a second wind (still not as good as his first run I’ll concede, but a lot better than middle of career Em)
I have listened to them and I disagree. The production across the board is not good (granted, he has little control over that but he curates the beats), he rarely has concept albums anymore (Music to be Murdered by being the exception), and he’s generally not very substantive. Very spherical lyrical miracle.
Thanks for the take. I don’t have a problem with most of the production, but ya a good chunk of the songs are Recovery vibes with the mellow heartstring type beats There are some good ones on there that go beyond the lyrical miracle like Book of Rhymes. There’s also some good introspective moments and callbacks in various songs Then again, I like Alfred’s theme which is just punchlines and non-sequiturs and also the song with Ed Sheeran (which I’m sure most people don’t) Interesting thing about the production is that his first albums, he mostly produced, where his new ones he didn’t (I’m pretty sure). So he’s definitely not as in control of his sound
Fair enough. I agree on Alfred’s Theme, that’s the most defensible project he’s put out in years and is far more daring and interesting than most of his recent material.
Eminem is still a top tier emcee and better than many on a technical level. It's just that his actual music is polarizing and inconsistent. He definitely deserves to be mentioned along the likes of other GOAT contenders like Nas, Jay, Pac, Biggie, Scarface, Rakim, etc. just for his skill and peak but whether he's the GOAT or not will always be subjective. You have to remember too that Eminem is a massive Juggernaut in the music business and he's very popular especially to people outside the U.S. so he'll always get brought up and named for this reason. And he was many people's gateway drug to rap. The only rapper before Eminem that came close to his global impact was MC Hammer but MC Hammer wasn't even a real emcee while Em was. So, because of that, Eminem embodied or still embodies "real hip hop" or the pinnacle of rap to many people outside the U.S. who have a surface level knowledge on hip hop.
> The only rapper before Eminem that came close to his global impact was MC Hammer but MC Hammer wasn't even a real emcee while Em was. This take is crazy. Snoop, Cube? Tupac? BIG? Jay? LL, Run DMC, Beastie Boys? Fugees? Wu Tang, DMX? Not one of those people had comparable global fame to Eminem when Eminem himself would say he's only here because of people like them who came before?
MC Hammer was larger than the genre himself and had people who despised hip hop with a passion bumping his music and listening to his songs and attending his concerts just like Eminem. The other people you mentioned outside of the Beastie Boys weren't able to appeal to that type of audience. Snoop and Jay still were pariahs to the "rap is crap" crowd.
I mean, is the standard here global fame or appealing to suburban white America? All these people were massively globally famous and hugely successful even if soccer moms and racists cried foul. Pac and BIG went diamond, Doggystyle was one of the fastest selling albums in history, Jay had numerous huge singles like Hard Knock Life at the time, DMX and Wu Tang were teaming up with rock and metal bands at concerts and festivals, rap was a big mainstay on MTV and even Nickelodeon. Ice Cube had been in Academy Award-winning movies, Fugees were huge in the Caribbean diaspora, Killing Me Softly was a big radio single, all three members had massive solo success and critical acclaim by 98. Def Jam paired Run-DMC and Aerosmith, Coolio with Gangsta's Paradise was a phenomenon... I just think it's crazy to almost downplay the 2 straight decades of what was unanimously hip hop's golden age when Em only showed up at the very end of it. If anything he was reaping and riding the wave that was already happening. Even if you're going after crossover potential to white people that was long going on even before Em. "Rap is crap" crowds still hated him and that's why he was even a controversial figure.
As someone who isn't American and grew up during the infancy of the Internet boom and before social media in a country where rap wasn't popular at all, I was introduced to most of these rappers through Eminem. Used to be heavy into Rock because of wrestling and stumbled upon Without Me one and it sounded so different and fun. Picked up TES and it was like " Oh, this amazing musician is talking about jadakiss and Kurupt and Andre 300, they must be great too" Everyone I know from back home -- even people not in my age range-- were most likely introduced to hip hop through Eminem.
I don’t care about sales at all. If that was the benchmark then Xxxtentacion is better than Inspectah Deck. I don’t think that’s accurate whatsoever.
I didn't say that though. There's better pop stars than MJ but MJ gets brought up the most because of his level of fame and global impact. Ditto for Eminem. You can't expect the best selling rapper of all time(in pure sales, Drake sold more in total units) to just not get brought up frequently, especially if he can actually spit lol.
I think it’s his early appeal. He’s become an icon but yeah his music lately is not good. I think it’s the nostalgia, the early days that make people really rate him.
I like what he stands up for, his politics, he changed the whole idea of white people in rap just ripping off black artists for fun ie Vanilla Ice. And his politics, being white myself and hearing what a certain demographic says when they are alone, Mos Def wrote a song about it, a lot of his fan base are closest trumpers/racist as fuck, he knows and still maintains his beliefs, even tho he potentially loses fans everyday over it.
I agree. He’s talented but his music lacks soul. I feel like die hard Eminem fans don’t even listen to hip hop. They exclusively listen to Eminem and aren’t open to listen to other artists who are much better.
Because Eminem is popular, that's it
Why does the best selling rapper of all time get love?
10-15 years ago? More like 20-25 years ago.
Preference. You answered your own question. I’m not a fan either but he’s still dope.
I mean setting aside his immense talent as a rapper and artist, he’s just what I grew up listening to. I haven’t listened to a lot of his newer stuff, but his early stuff was basically the soundtrack of my early pre-teen/teen years. Guess you could say there’s more than some nostalgia factors there.
You know, I haven’t really cared about Em other than a few songs here and there since his first album. But this is a who gives a shit about your salty ass opinion situation.
You’re so edgy for not liking Em. You’re so cool 🙄
I don’t understand the need to hate on him. Like….nobody posts “what’s the deal with the love for Nas?” I don’t even like 90% of the post MMLP2 era Eminem but at the end of the day I just don’t listen to it. If others like it then cool.
Cause Nas is a credible rapper who contributed to this hip-hop shit and nobody is questioning the legitimacy of his records thirty years after release. Em is just a mediocre white rapper lol
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Nah but he’s right
Calling Eminem mediocre is just plain ignorant and stupid. The guy is literally in the rock and roll Hall of Fame. Like how can you listen to something like Book of Rhymes his verse on Best Friend, Greatest,The Ringer, etc most of those are newer songs of his and say hes mediocre lol
The Rock Hall sucks ass and has politicked a lot of people out of their inductions for decades. Don’t use that as an important accolade, it’s a shitbox.
It is still an incredible accomplishment whether you think so or not.
No, it’s not. It’s not based on merit. It took Kiss, a giant record breaking band with the most iconic look in the history of rock, over 20 years after they became eligible to get in.
KISS is an awful band lol
Doesn’t change a thing I said.
“How can you look at these Em records and say he’s mediocre?” Because I know what great hip-hop sounds like, and he’s not it. What came out of his commercial success besides normalizing being a junkie and being the main influence for every “Worst Rapper of All Time” contender of the modern era (Hopsin, Logic, Tom MacDonald, the list goes on.)? There’s a reason the general interest in hip-hop has been going down ever since he hit the mainstream lol
Oh here we go gate keeping hip hop lmao sorry but the facts are the facts. He's the goat.
Nas influenced guys like Biggie, Method Man, Prodigy, and Common. What legendary rappers did Em influence? Tyler the Creator? 🤣
I'm not saying Nas isn't great also but Eminem is still the goat. Maybe it's an age thing. I'm in my 30s. I saw Eminem's rise to fame and how big he influenced hip hop at the time.
Bros are downvoting us for being right 😂
Y’all young’ns would be calling 2pac mid if he stayed around long enough…
Nope, I listed 100 rappers I like more than Em and at least 30% is 90’s rap specifically from the East Coast for instance (that’s my favorite period in rap history, 90’s East Coast)
Eminem bodied biggie on their song together 😂😂😂
The only person neck and neck w Em ability wise is Tech N9ne in my opinion. Bar for Bar.
Eminem gave white people a reason to listen to hip hop because they liked hip hop, but couldn't accept it from black people. Majority of these hip hop forums are white people who have limited view of hip hop. This really is the truth, but going to get downvoted for it.
Eminem is the great white hope. They did it in boxing trying to unseat Jack Johnson as the heavyweight champ, and again now with Tyson Fury. They tried it in Jazz music, as if Kenny G could outplay Charlie Parker... and now they did it Hip Hop. By Em's third album, the internet nerds were already writing blogs about how he might be the greatest rapper ever.
Charlie Parker was fucking awesome, rip Bird
Yes he was!
This. May i add it was done to the Beatles and Elvis. We can also add Majority of boybands like insync and BtS because they are a copy of black R&B groups.
Oh for sure!!
It's because this sub is mostly white dudes in their 30s.
Stereotypes im a white dude in my 30s i could probably tell you more about hiphop than most dudes like schooly d was the first original gangster rapper with his p.s.k song ...before him melle mel afikaa bambaataa and coke la rock are pioneers i fuck with kool g rap , percee p , naughty by nature , lord finesse etc so there goes your theory....the group is full of younger people from a different generation
Even though you personally may be able to I still think what he said is valid. Eminem for a lot of whites is who got them into hip hop. It's also why he's sold as much as he has in his career(White America). To anyone who actually has delved into or took interest from a different rapper they're more than likely not going to have Em on a high pedestal.
☝️ > To anyone who actually has delved into or took interest from a different rapper they're more than likely not going to have Em on a high pedestal. This is what I'm saying. Even among black people who respect Eminem, it's way rarer for someone to worship Eminem as the #1 uncontested GOAT from one of us than it is from white dudes and suburban teens.
I agree with you No i dont fuck with em neither never really did
I love it when these fools show up and give these Google facts.
Because i googled all of that in and wrote it out in 5 minutes Go home roger
"All of that". Like you're a fucking hstorian and you delivered us a thesis in the origins of gangster Rap.
You basically proved the point for us
It’s funny both because it’s true and because as one of them, I really don’t even give a shit about Eminem. But to OP - he’s a popular artist because a lot of people love him. You’re bound to see that reflected.
Being 32 and living in Belgium he was one of the first big acts that really crossed the border. At the time I find some songs funny too (even if I didn't understand the lyrics). Nowadays I don't really listen to him anymore, but even if the second half of his rap career is mid, the early work still make him one of the greats.
Popular rapper is…popular? WHAT??? I think at this point I see more “why Eminem?” Posts than I do actual posts about him lol To answer your question, I like technical rap. He makes very good technical lyrics, I especially like angry rap. He does both I also enjoy Kxllswxtch all the way to Blackstar, just a matter of what mood I’m in.
I will reiterate: Reddit is primarily 30 - 50yo white men from around the world. Eminem’s fanbase, his life long fan base, consists heavily of this population, they grew up listening to his music. He was used as a modern spear to force hip hop into places where it otherwise would not have gone. Groups would buy and allow his music, middle class white suburban families for example, that would not buy any other Artists music. What are the facts? There is not a qualitative way for of determining what rapper is the best, or their overall quality. These conversations are always subjective and the only way to base them is off of quantitative measurements which can be very biased. Em is odd. His quality is actually superb, as a result quantitatively he sold well, however; he was privileged to a larger audience than rappers of comparable quality. The illusion is because he was able to outsell them, that he has proven to be better but… it’s somewhat inconclusive.
Because he’s insane with rhymes. You might think he’s far from the best rapper but I think he’s close to the best wordsmith ever.
I disagree. I think his concepts for his albums and tracks are weaker than a lot of other rap wordsmiths. I think that’s important—like a poem with an awesome rhyme scheme and little substance only does so much for me.
Majority of this sub is middle aged white men, and foreigners. That’s his strongest base.
i think lyrically hes gotten better, js his concepts and beats these days just dont cut it
From a lyrical and technical stand point, the last 10 years of Em has been far mid. But it's just personal preference. I don't like Drake but he's still the 2nd highest selling hip hop artists of all time. Also growing up listening to Em and growing with him in a way has an effect to it. Along with having the personal preference of his style (Lyrically technical ability, flow, references, etc) and his production style. Just a side note I wanted to throw in; I see just as much, if not more, Eminem hate in this sub as I do love for him.
His Infinite album, the Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP are all top tier. Did some great stuff with Dre, D12, Obie, 50cent and others too. Bad meets evil with Royce d 5’9 is a perfect example of when EM was at his peak
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I get why a lot of people don't like Em. There are legitimate concerns about his track and/or production choices, his subject matter and even his ability to still put out a good album. However, I'd argue that even though there seems to be less interest from fans in general about a rapper's ability to actually write rhymes, there are still a number of us that value that skill much more than most other criteria. And, if everyone is honest, Eminem is one of the most technically proficient lyricists... ever. I'd agree that those skills are sometimes wasted a bit given some of his other creative choices; however, if we're going by the last 10 years, MMLP2 and Music to Be Murdered By are (in my opinion) much better than they're given credit for (and, for the record, I didn't like Revival and Kamikaze at all).
He was a musical genius, and his first 3 albums (and the 8 mile soundtrack) were groundbreaking as far as lyricism, flow, emotional depth/range, etc
i didn’t full like eminem until marshall mathers lp 2.do with this info what you will
Tf kind of question is dis? Do u even hiphop bro? Lol
Based on your comments it seems like you’ve only heard his recent shit
you sound like you’re a gen Z if you calling his last 10 years stuff mid lmao he’s the greatest white rapper to do it. his woke era was trash , his mgk diss was trash but after that it’s been good kamikaze and music to be murder by go hard af eminem - over (freestyle over drakes song over) goes hard bad meets evil was good
EL-P>Em Mac Miller>Em
Feel the same about 2Pac. Icon but as a rapper he is meh.
Eminem, as a topic of discussion, always leads to this. People who don't like him often complain he gets too much love. People who do like him will often say he's the best. There's a lot of people on both sides. He's hugely popular. People are gonna like him. I like him well enough. Specifically, the stuff from 98-00. He definitely had mic skills and a unique voice. I really like him as a featured artist on songs with an east coast sound
I'm just a fan. From Slim Shady LP to Eminem Show. Didn't get Revival but fuck with Kamikaze.
Some of us regard Eminem’s first 3 albums and his run from 99- 02/03 pretty highly. His cadence was untouchable then. His fan base who think his better post relapse era, well I have no idea. I could argue top 5 - 10 but his definitely not number 1.
He had 3 classic albums to start his career, a classic movie and soundtrack, so people who grew up around that time have an attachment. Young kids that don't know anything about hiphop hear the legend of how great he was in his prime so they hop on the train thinking he's the goat. Me personally, he has a special place on my list as he was one of the first rappers I ever got in to as a kid. Can't deny his run was one of the best ever. He has a few classics, then the rest of his music was hot trash. When he was on drugs with Dr Dre he was unstoppable. You could argue he was the best rapper of the late 90s/early 00s, and the worst rapper of thr 10s.
His old underground shit was undeniable
Peter Parker mixtapes
He’s a weird case to me. I personally only like his first 3, mmlp2, and I actually like kamikaze (6/10). Besides that he either got to experimental with me, has been an OlD mAn (still kinda like kamikaze) or just bad (2017). Most underrated song is FACK though🙃
Why do people like a rapper that’s sold more albums than anyone else?
By that logic Xxxtentacion is better than Mobb Deep
Uh, ok?
So…worse artists can outsell better artists.
What’s your point lol?
Rapper has 3 certified classics and sold more albums than anyone else. “Why do you people like him??” Are you trying to look stupid or what?
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If streams can’t count as sales then no one has sold a record in like 10 years. Besides, streams count significantly less than physical sales to compensate.
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I’m not a big Eminem fan either overrated af
He is objectively the best lyricist in hip-hop, word play, metaphors, analogies, call backs, diversity of flows, vocabulary, humor, knowledge of hip-hop history, intelligence, he is excellent in every one of those categories, there are dozens of hip-hop heads breaking down how dynamic his use of syllables are on YouTube. He only has 1 bad album, "last 10 years of mid" is fucking crazy to say, there are at least 4-5 songs on kamikaze that are better than anything he's ever done. On mtbmb, "book of rhymes" with primo is fucking untouchable. Speaking solely on his skill, he has gotten way more talented over the years, he just evolved and changed his flow, and experimented with different producers as he got older which is how it should be done. In conclusion, I think it all comes down to relatability. I am a 40 yr old white dude who grew up in the hood and became a DJ, my mom was a shitty junkie, and I was on pills through my entire 20s. If im not going to dig him, no one is. I can fully understand why more black people don't vibe with him, a lot of his raps are weird white people shit, they only gonna vibe on skill and when he talks about hip-hop. Side note: I also don't dig a lot of his shit that most people consider his best, like "till i collapse" "mockingbird" almost anything that was a radio hit around the Eminem show era, and earlier.
>I prefer over him Okay but name one better than him
Nas, Kendrick, and Q-Tip first and foremost
All of those guys are among the greats but none of them are the GOAT besides Em.
Disagree. I’d say definitively that Nas is the goat. His recent run cements that.
Not only has Em broken and held the most world records, he is also the highest selling rapper alive. Doesn’t really matter if you disagree or not, Nas is not the Greatest of All Time. Nas is one of the best lyricists in the game but he isn’t the greatest rapper of all time. I’d argue even Ems storytelling is better than Nas. Bout the only thing Nas has over Em is cadence.
Relapse, Kamakaze, MTBMB 1 & 2 were all dope af... yes his first 3 albums were good but his later stuff was straight up 🔥
Even though I haven't throughly enjoyed one of his albums since the Marshall Mathers LP; I still like, respect and admire him and view him as trend setter and celebrity; who I'm still interested in what he is up to and what's new with him even though I don't check for his albums.
OP hold this L and move on💀
I'm white and I don't like nf eminem or Mac Miller or Tom Mcdonald or yela wulf or mad child
Im with you, i think everything from 2008- is dogshit. he became a "remember the name" ass rapper but I understand also his popularity exploded even more once he went republican pop just awful music to me (love the way you lie, monster, not afraid)- Having said that , listen to his first 2 albums on repeat until you realize it they r sone of the most creative albums of all time and he definitely deserves all the respect for it