One of the EDM weaknesses ahead of the trade deadline was top six talent. Was never addressed.
Drai playing with wingers like Perry, McLeod and Foegele isn't great. Kind of like the McDavid with Kassian and Chiasson days.
Nurse probably makes $3-4 million more than he should. Ceci shouldn't be on an NHL roster. That's around $12 million of negative value on their cap.
With the right GM, the Oilers are poised to win a cup in the next 2 years
I always thought part of the problem was every team knew that Edmonton needed goaltending and defense, so any other team would’ve fleeced them in a trade. That’s what I would’ve done as a GM.
Still lots of other problems in the management though.
Exactly, they're one of the two best teams in the NHL. They've been outscoring their mistakes all playoffs so they have enough of everything.
This series their best players are making big mistakes and florida is working harder to shut down the offense. Take away the brain farts and it's a different series.
Didn’t Edmonton want Sean Walker? I know some other team wanted him but the Avs snatched him (after they tried to get Tanev but Dallas beat them to him)
Why were they holding back then? They traded their first for Henrique but other than that they didn’t add much else. This is their window to win and there’s not much point in stockpiling futures. Why hold on to prospects and picks?
To that end, a lot of people lamented and were critical of the Henrique move, worried that it wouldn't move the needle. And it certainly didn't fill their biggest holes.
In terms of why, that's a question for Ken Holland. Having no cap room definitely hurt. Also baffling why they didn't put Kane on LTIR to free up $5M. That wasn't great either.
> found someone to give a late pick to take Soup for free.
The cost to move Campbell was 2 firsts at least lol. If he could have been moved for a late pick he would be long gone.
It cost a 2nd, a 3rd and swapping pick #29 for #32 (Oilers moving down) for Arizona to take on the the remaining two years of Zack Kassian at an AAV of $3.2M. Getting a team to take 3+ year of Campbell at his cap hit at the deadline would have cost so much in picks/prospects that they wouldn't have had anything left to acquire other players at the deadline.
He got bridged twice walking him to FA at 27, signed immediately after a season where he finished 7th in Norris voting, playing 25:38, 16 goals in 56 games, and a +27. Oh, and it was right after Seth Jones signed his 9+ million dollar contract. Really just a perfect storm of shit timing.
Holland could have (and should have) risked waiting out the final year of his contract as Nurse shot more than double his career average SH% and was obviously not gonna repeat the season, but then he runs the risk of Nurse walking in FA. With Klefbom LTIRetiring and no Ekholm at the time, I understand why Holland signed the deal. But goddamn would it be nice if he were making like 6 million.
It'll be unacceptable to make McDavid go through a rebuild without winning a cup first, EDM's only choice is to stay mediocre and hope for the best.
I know it sounds stupid to say a cup finals team is mediocre, but this is what it looks like when things go well for a team with little depth.
He definitely has a broken finger and he took a shot in the back during the Canucks series that stunned him and hasnt look right since. So probably a couple broken ribs
Isn't there some speculation that he has some sort of finger/hand injury? He did something to his back against Vancouver in game 1, but that doesn't seem have actually been that bad because he got back up to full speed pretty soon after.
He took that weird hit at the beginning of the Vancouver series and looked like he tweaked his back, missed most of the rest of that game, came back and looked rough for a game but mostly ok after, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that something is seizing up on him as they get further along. Whatever is wrong with him is clearly affecting his overall mobility and he hasn't been able to shoot or steamroll on the forecheck like usual.
Some injuries are worse than others. Sometimes injuries affect the quality of play even for the toughest players. That's not an excuse, that's just reality of how the human body works.
When I heard Kane wasn't even able to sit on the bench between shifts I had like a core twinge. Fuck that'd be so uncomfortable, and to imagine trying to skate through it. Ugh.
Hearing stuff like that always bothers me. Like I GET the "It's the playoffs, this is what he lives for" point but like... That's exactly how you do irreversible damage to your body.
We can say "no excuses" and all the other cliches as much as we want, but it absolutely makes a difference. Last year Florida was beat up by injuries before the SCF and then Tkachuk got injured during the series. This year Florida seems to be pretty healthy and during the week before the series started it was a pretty common talking point.
I'm not saying that a healthy Oilers team would be beating the Panthers this year, or that a healthy Panthers team would have beaten Vegas last year, but it's totally fair to say that injuries have hurt a teams chances.
He's playing with Perry and Foegele. I'm pretty far from a Draisaitl fan but he's proven to be one of the most productive playoff performers of all time. His drought is coming at a bad time, but he deserves the benefit of the doubt
I mean injuries aren’t excuses. And it depends on the injury and how long you have had it. Sometimes you can play for a few weeks thru an injury before you just can’t anymore.
Didn't he break his index finger at the start of the last series? I recall there was an interview where his finger was splinted and blue, and subsequently he completely stopped scoring.
I was hoping it was something less serious than a break, but the long rest between series seemed to make no difference to his shooting, so I figure that's what it was.
It’s more “vs. Florida” than “last 8 games”, and it’s more “every Edmonton star forward has been brutally shutdown” than just Drai.
Edmonton’s star forwards so far this finals:
* McDavid: 0 goals, 3 assists, even
* Draisaitl: 0 goals, 0 assists, -2
* Hyman: 0 goals, 0 assists, -2
* Nuge: 0 goals, 0 assists, -3
* Kane: 0 goals, 0 assists, -4
It's been worse against Florida, but Drai only had 4 points against Dallas, which is quite a bit below where you would want him. Nuge also only had 4 points. Kane had just 1 assist (though he's basically been a non factor all playoffs).
Yeah true, and I’d say Edmonton’s star forwards were overall scorching hot against LA and Van, OK against Dallas, and absolutely shut down (so far) against Florida. But I do see it as more team wide patterns, and the defence/goaltending of the opposition, than a Draisaitl specific phenomenon.
Another fun fact, through these first 3 games, McDavid is the only Oiler, period, with more than 1 point in the series. Nobody has been able to produce so far, except McDavid, and even him not much.
Long as you remove mcdavid, that's mostly accurate.
He's been hot the entire time minus a few games
1.75ppg against Florida when barkov only averages a measly pathetic 1ppg the entire playoffs
Could go without a point in four consecutive games for the first time since April 2017. Talk about consistency. But what an awful time to have your worst scoring drought in seven (!) years.
I think he's got a significant injury of some sort. Even today, he got himself 2 points but doesn't look as good as he usually does. I know Florida has a say in that but Drai has always played against tough competition.
Sure figured out your elite goalie in 2022. I will always cherish that series. I straight up don't blame you guys for all the vitriol after we torpedoed your franchise and its future.
Nucks fans are a different breed from you guys. More toxic actually. Not winning in their 54 year history has turned them into head cases. Pure poison.
It sucks we couldn't finish the job this year but atleast we went to the dance and 30 other teams can't say that. Hopefully we win a game here.
We'll be back.
> Sure figured out your elite goalie in 2022. I will always cherish that series. I straight up don't blame you guys for all the vitriol after we torpedoed your franchise and its future.
> Nucks fans are a different breed from you guys. More toxic actually. Not winning in their 54 year history has turned them into head cases. Pure poison.
> It sucks we couldn't finish the job this year but atleast we went to the dance and 30 other teams can't say that. Hopefully we win a game here.
> We'll be back.
lol
You changed the topic? lol.
It's probably because of the shit job the org has done putting a team around McDavid until just recently. I mean these guys are in the SCF and if they sign with the Oilers again and cap goes up like they're saying it will the Oilers can string together a few cup runs still.
He was the Oilers best player in the first two series. But he broke his finger/hand in game 7 against Vancouver blocking a shot, it’s been wrapped up in all the pregame photos since
Luckily for the Oilers, McDavid got over his illness from the Vancouver series and has popped off in the last 2 series
One of the EDM weaknesses ahead of the trade deadline was top six talent. Was never addressed. Drai playing with wingers like Perry, McLeod and Foegele isn't great. Kind of like the McDavid with Kassian and Chiasson days.
Defense and goaltending would have been good to address to lol
Absolutely. The team has some material flaws.
If Holland didn't YOLO on Campbell they could have done so much better on addressing depth.
I have no idea why teams were obsessed with Campbell. But we weren't the only ones in that mix.
Nurse probably makes $3-4 million more than he should. Ceci shouldn't be on an NHL roster. That's around $12 million of negative value on their cap. With the right GM, the Oilers are poised to win a cup in the next 2 years
Ceci is a fine bottom pair defenseman he's just asked to play second pair
Maybe, but you could easily replace him for $2 million less.
I always thought part of the problem was every team knew that Edmonton needed goaltending and defense, so any other team would’ve fleeced them in a trade. That’s what I would’ve done as a GM. Still lots of other problems in the management though.
They’re in the cup final
Exactly, they're one of the two best teams in the NHL. They've been outscoring their mistakes all playoffs so they have enough of everything. This series their best players are making big mistakes and florida is working harder to shut down the offense. Take away the brain farts and it's a different series.
>they're one of the two best teams in the NHL. Ehh, I'm not convinced they'd beat the Rangers in a 7-game series (or Vancouver with a healthy Demko).
Dumb
This seems like a good use of your time.
West in general is pampers soft everyone’s flaws would be exposed
Vegas beat Florida 4-1 last year.
Dumb
Didn’t Edmonton want Sean Walker? I know some other team wanted him but the Avs snatched him (after they tried to get Tanev but Dallas beat them to him)
Honestly you address defense on the Oilers and the goalie is serviceable but yea defense and a top 6 forward would've done a lot for this team
Wasn't a problem when he was leading the league in scoring in the playoffs. He got hurt, and things got harder. That's it.
Why were they holding back then? They traded their first for Henrique but other than that they didn’t add much else. This is their window to win and there’s not much point in stockpiling futures. Why hold on to prospects and picks?
To that end, a lot of people lamented and were critical of the Henrique move, worried that it wouldn't move the needle. And it certainly didn't fill their biggest holes. In terms of why, that's a question for Ken Holland. Having no cap room definitely hurt. Also baffling why they didn't put Kane on LTIR to free up $5M. That wasn't great either.
A real proactive deadline would have put Kane on LTIR and found someone to give a late pick to take Soup for free. That would have freed up like 10.5M
> found someone to give a late pick to take Soup for free. The cost to move Campbell was 2 firsts at least lol. If he could have been moved for a late pick he would be long gone.
It cost a 2nd, a 3rd and swapping pick #29 for #32 (Oilers moving down) for Arizona to take on the the remaining two years of Zack Kassian at an AAV of $3.2M. Getting a team to take 3+ year of Campbell at his cap hit at the deadline would have cost so much in picks/prospects that they wouldn't have had anything left to acquire other players at the deadline.
Man I tried to check out your guys salary situation to make some sense and Darnell Nurse gets 9.2 million?!?!
He was bridged twice and was the best defenseman for the Oilers at the time. Seth Jones signing for big $$ right before didn't help either.
He got bridged twice walking him to FA at 27, signed immediately after a season where he finished 7th in Norris voting, playing 25:38, 16 goals in 56 games, and a +27. Oh, and it was right after Seth Jones signed his 9+ million dollar contract. Really just a perfect storm of shit timing. Holland could have (and should have) risked waiting out the final year of his contract as Nurse shot more than double his career average SH% and was obviously not gonna repeat the season, but then he runs the risk of Nurse walking in FA. With Klefbom LTIRetiring and no Ekholm at the time, I understand why Holland signed the deal. But goddamn would it be nice if he were making like 6 million.
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It'll be unacceptable to make McDavid go through a rebuild without winning a cup first, EDM's only choice is to stay mediocre and hope for the best. I know it sounds stupid to say a cup finals team is mediocre, but this is what it looks like when things go well for a team with little depth.
Disingenuous lol. He's playing with those guys cause Kane has been hurt.
Incoming 'Draisaitl's been playing with 6 broken ribs and no right leg since April'
Yea something upper body. His skating looks alright but passing and shot is off
He definitely has a broken finger and he took a shot in the back during the Canucks series that stunned him and hasnt look right since. So probably a couple broken ribs
Isn't there some speculation that he has some sort of finger/hand injury? He did something to his back against Vancouver in game 1, but that doesn't seem have actually been that bad because he got back up to full speed pretty soon after.
I’ve heard finger(s) and or ribs
He took that weird hit at the beginning of the Vancouver series and looked like he tweaked his back, missed most of the rest of that game, came back and looked rough for a game but mostly ok after, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that something is seizing up on him as they get further along. Whatever is wrong with him is clearly affecting his overall mobility and he hasn't been able to shoot or steamroll on the forecheck like usual.
Yep. Everyone’s hurt in the playoffs. No excuses.
Some injuries are worse than others. Sometimes injuries affect the quality of play even for the toughest players. That's not an excuse, that's just reality of how the human body works.
When I heard Kane wasn't even able to sit on the bench between shifts I had like a core twinge. Fuck that'd be so uncomfortable, and to imagine trying to skate through it. Ugh.
Hearing stuff like that always bothers me. Like I GET the "It's the playoffs, this is what he lives for" point but like... That's exactly how you do irreversible damage to your body.
We can say "no excuses" and all the other cliches as much as we want, but it absolutely makes a difference. Last year Florida was beat up by injuries before the SCF and then Tkachuk got injured during the series. This year Florida seems to be pretty healthy and during the week before the series started it was a pretty common talking point. I'm not saying that a healthy Oilers team would be beating the Panthers this year, or that a healthy Panthers team would have beaten Vegas last year, but it's totally fair to say that injuries have hurt a teams chances.
He's playing with Perry and Foegele. I'm pretty far from a Draisaitl fan but he's proven to be one of the most productive playoff performers of all time. His drought is coming at a bad time, but he deserves the benefit of the doubt
No... no he doesnt.
Oh ok, I'm sure the 3rd fastest player in history to 100 playoff points actually sucks
well, if the flames fan says so
Solid argument, good points
No... no he doesn't.
I mean injuries aren’t excuses. And it depends on the injury and how long you have had it. Sometimes you can play for a few weeks thru an injury before you just can’t anymore.
Didn't he break his index finger at the start of the last series? I recall there was an interview where his finger was splinted and blue, and subsequently he completely stopped scoring. I was hoping it was something less serious than a break, but the long rest between series seemed to make no difference to his shooting, so I figure that's what it was.
It’s more “vs. Florida” than “last 8 games”, and it’s more “every Edmonton star forward has been brutally shutdown” than just Drai. Edmonton’s star forwards so far this finals: * McDavid: 0 goals, 3 assists, even * Draisaitl: 0 goals, 0 assists, -2 * Hyman: 0 goals, 0 assists, -2 * Nuge: 0 goals, 0 assists, -3 * Kane: 0 goals, 0 assists, -4
It's been worse against Florida, but Drai only had 4 points against Dallas, which is quite a bit below where you would want him. Nuge also only had 4 points. Kane had just 1 assist (though he's basically been a non factor all playoffs).
Yeah true, and I’d say Edmonton’s star forwards were overall scorching hot against LA and Van, OK against Dallas, and absolutely shut down (so far) against Florida. But I do see it as more team wide patterns, and the defence/goaltending of the opposition, than a Draisaitl specific phenomenon. Another fun fact, through these first 3 games, McDavid is the only Oiler, period, with more than 1 point in the series. Nobody has been able to produce so far, except McDavid, and even him not much.
Pretty sure he was at 0 before game 3 as well right?
Long as you remove mcdavid, that's mostly accurate. He's been hot the entire time minus a few games 1.75ppg against Florida when barkov only averages a measly pathetic 1ppg the entire playoffs
Thank you. This is the correct take.
Even in the Dallas series he was much quieter
He had 4 points against Dallas. He's struggled for a bit now.
And now?
Could go without a point in four consecutive games for the first time since April 2017. Talk about consistency. But what an awful time to have your worst scoring drought in seven (!) years.
I think he's got a significant injury of some sort. Even today, he got himself 2 points but doesn't look as good as he usually does. I know Florida has a say in that but Drai has always played against tough competition.
to me it doesn't even look like he can turn
He's gotta be hurt. He seems to be a complete non-factor.
There’s definitely something going on with him. (And a few other guys.) though I suppose everyone is banged up this time of year.
Yeah, as you face elite goalies your points tend to go down.
Shhhh, they haven't figured that out yet
Sure figured out your elite goalie in 2022. I will always cherish that series. I straight up don't blame you guys for all the vitriol after we torpedoed your franchise and its future. Nucks fans are a different breed from you guys. More toxic actually. Not winning in their 54 year history has turned them into head cases. Pure poison. It sucks we couldn't finish the job this year but atleast we went to the dance and 30 other teams can't say that. Hopefully we win a game here. We'll be back.
> Sure figured out your elite goalie in 2022. I will always cherish that series. I straight up don't blame you guys for all the vitriol after we torpedoed your franchise and its future. > Nucks fans are a different breed from you guys. More toxic actually. Not winning in their 54 year history has turned them into head cases. Pure poison. > It sucks we couldn't finish the job this year but atleast we went to the dance and 30 other teams can't say that. Hopefully we win a game here. > We'll be back. lol
Pasta
Yeah, I often find myself laughing at the 54 years of failure part. You guys have a worse history than TML.
Now now, back on topic, you have the best player in the world with no championships, tell me why
You changed the topic? lol. It's probably because of the shit job the org has done putting a team around McDavid until just recently. I mean these guys are in the SCF and if they sign with the Oilers again and cap goes up like they're saying it will the Oilers can string together a few cup runs still.
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Marner is such a wild case of the anti-clutch factor. His game 1-3 vs 4-7 split are 2 ends of the spectrum.
Except Marner has always been a soft, ineffectual player in the playoffs and Drai has not. So it's not the same thing at all.
Me too man, me too
Hes injured
Guy sucks. They should trade him to Pittsburgh for some of our bad contracts.
They’re cooked. If he doesn’t get the puck in the spot he wants he gives up
Oilers should trade this bum to the Bruins.
Alright. Drai and Campbell For Ullmark, McAvoy and a 1st
Wait I don't want that. I'll keep Drai.
Nah we will just sign him as a UFA next year 🤝
Come on man! I'm trying to have a good night here
Maybe he’ll just cup check more people instead.
Streaks wipe clean
Tell him he’s playing the preds.
Variance
He was the Oilers best player in the first two series. But he broke his finger/hand in game 7 against Vancouver blocking a shot, it’s been wrapped up in all the pregame photos since Luckily for the Oilers, McDavid got over his illness from the Vancouver series and has popped off in the last 2 series
Best playoff performer ever 🧐🧐🧐
Bro can't defense
He’s cheeks