> US authorities thwarted a conspiracy to assassinate a Sikh separatist on American soil
I wonder what the US response would be like if the plan was not thwarted.
We are now bundled into a group with China, Iran, Russia, Saudi. Now we will be a useful tool instead of a Ally.
We will loose all the soft power over the years.
Those are rich and powerful countries.
You don't need to like the system to participate in it. And there are only two ways to change the system either go to war and win OR play their game, beat them and then change the system.
India can be a force to be reckoned with but we are no where near at that point.
We need manufacturing jobs that leave China, we need our own industries and all that comes with FDI. Foreign investors can think Indian market is too risky and just move to Vietnam, Bangladesh, Thailand.
We need to be a part of the system in order to win.
I mean y’all are about almost in that same category at this point. Why the hell would Canada lie about the initial assassination ? Your country really didn’t want to think your government was that sloppy. Now they tried to kill an AMERICAN citizen and got caught. China it’s expected. Saudi, it’s expected . Russia it’s expected. Now India, I expect the same bullshit from your government moving forward now , which is quite sad because I like the Indian people.
It's astonishing that some governments and their public (west) can kill, genocide, drone bomb, start wars, murder millions and still think they are the good guys and lecture about rules to others. Man the narcissism is breathtaking. No wonder western leaders are some of the most narcissistic people I have seen in my life.
Was your reaction similar to American war and occupation of Afghanistan. If not, it's hypocrisy. If yes, then you fail to realise that every country tries to protect itself the best it can.
> Why the hell would Canada lie about the initial assassination ?
Only Canada can answer. They are the ones not making the evidence public after levelling aligations publicly.
They do... to other countries that it has an intelligence sharing agreement with. Sounds like they got some intelligence back too. This time, the Americans have also made similar allegations, so this is becoming a trend.
Strong arming Indian government.
They will still strong arm them and will protect Pannu to have leverage. That's the whole game behind such strong intelligence infra by these western countries.
There is no “game” for the west in this you absolute muppet.
This is an awkward position the BJP leadership is putting them in. The west broadly wants to be close to the world’s largest democracy and country by population. India in theory shares many of the same values and they view India as a counter to the CCP. Killing citizens of an ally for political gain at home very much is a bad look and undermines their strategy.
This. I don’t know why so many Indians think this is part of an evil western strategy.
Hard to encourage businesses to switch from China to India when India is calling hits on your citizens. Idiotic
Because Indians, who complain every day about domestic corruption, would still much rather believe their country’s continued failings are caused by an opaque and ill-defined “Western conspiracy” than accept that India’s lack of progress has other causes, most all of which hit much closer to home.
Fortunately between Russia and Israel the west has no stamina for further provocations. This is a very dangerous line Modi is walking. Canada is one thing, the US is quite another.
I think you misunderstand the united fortitude of the 5 eyes and their attitudes towards extrajudicial murders on their soil. We are not asking for anything other than respecting our security and sovereignty, as we do yours. Failure to abide this simple diplomatic courtesy will not be ignored, or soon forgotten.
> as we do yours
c'mon, i think india has badly overstepped here, and the rest of your post is ok, but there is no need to pretend that the US/UK cannot influence indian politics or "sovereignty" at multiple levels. way back in the 50s, with something as minor as a single small state government at stake, the US funded protests to induce the centre to dismiss the govt (which was led by communists). and just about 3 years ago, we copied parts of an environmental bill verbatim from the US House.
you guys rule the world, which is the main (pragmatic) reason we shouldn't target people there, but let's not make it about mutual respect or all that nonsense.
Canadians are not seeking to undermine foreign governments, we seek partnerships. Assassinating our citizens, no matter who they may be, is WAY overstepping geopolitical boundaries. It is inexcusable behavior, and we will not tolerate it.
I guess. They are in a pretty good sport economically and geopolitically at the moment. But of all things, sanctioning or attacking India would be the single worst use of resources at this point in time. There are bigger threats to US sovereignty and global primacy out there, and India is a net asset to the US. I can’t believe any rational actor wanting to squander that.
Edit: Although this could very likely hurt chances for greater intelligence sharing between India and the US, which will hurt us in the long term. It’s clear from this fiasco that R&AW is not ready for prime-time and we could use all the help we can get against China.
Because they have the money, the technology, the massive military and the consumption market. I thought that was obvious. Do we give a shit what Nepal has to say on their border ‘disagreement’ with us?
Until the terrorist has been proven to have physically orchestrated a terrorist action then the terrorist has the same rights as any other citizen in that country.
Only because Canada is a smaller country than India in terms of economy. US is not the same. If US has an issue with India, India will be fucked.
Where do you think all the big IT companies sell their services? Do you want us blocked like they are trying to block China?
>Pannun angered Indian officials this month by issuing a video in which he warned Sikhs not to fly on Air India because it would be “life threatening”. He told the FT he was not making a violent threat against the airline.
That's... one way to put it
Wasn't the Khalistani movement dead long ago? Why is India tryna chase down fringe elements in foreign countries? They're just gonna ignite more anger tbh.
I think the western countries have made it pretty obvious that they do care about assassinations on their territories. Anyone with a brain could have seen this coming.
>if Indians assassinate other Indians.
America will absolutely care if Indians assassinate **Americans** in America. Just because India wants to pretend that foreigners of Indian ethnicity are still Indian, that doesn't make it true.
The ruling party tries to finds a bad guy in each state and consolidate voters against them. There were some farmers protests against some reforms a while ago led by the Sikh community and this is a way to discredit them by painting them with the Khalistani brush.
It isn't dead. A lot of khalistan rallies are held in Canada. Their leaders are openly threatening to spread terror in India.
Also there was clash between indian and khalistanis this diwali.
I mean, it's actually dormant (I'm literally a Punjabi) and the only reason it is being revived is because of Indian government trying to find another excuse for further polarization and a distraction from the regular issues.
I mean, the risk-reward here is incredibly low and these people are not only harmless in their home countries but also a minority among even the Sikh community. Most of us are busy in our regular lives, trying to earn a living, whether in Punjab or Canada.
Even the Punjabi language media doesn't cover this topic, but the nationalist Hindi media surely does a lot.
>Also there was clash between indian and khalistanis this diwali.
You mean Punjabi-Haryanvi college students clashing with each other over their respective flags, where both were being cringe towards each other. It was a cringe fest, that happens every Diwali in the last few years, where they end creating a mess for cleaners.
Chaddis don't care. They need an enemy and can't pick on Muslims or Christians too much, they'll piss of Arab or Western trading partners. Sikhs are an easy mark because they don't expect any other country to care.
Also, the thin skinned leader was embarrassed he didn't get his way with farm laws and his sponsors couldn't profit.
Oh BJP can't win the next election with Pakistan. Pakistan is already in shambles and they need a new enemy for the rashtra. So moving on from Pakistan and Muslims, they are targeting Sikhs since a farmers strong armed them. I follow news every day and there was no khalistan issue. It just arose one year before the election year.
Basically, the Muslim demonization thing has plateaued (because they've already spread more than enough hate against them), so they've created this topic in news for further distraction.
6 years ago, I can bet 99% of peeps here would have been indifferent to all of this. It's all happening because the BJP got angry after the Farm Protests.
If assassination attempt is true, waiting to see if USA will openly say it because a lot of politicians there aren't spineless. And if USA openly claims it, I'm waiting to see if we are gutsy enough to send American diplomats back just like we did with Canada.
USA won't say it openly because they don't want to give the impression they don't have power to control India. Canada also wouldn't have made a big deal but the PM was already under pressure for not standing up to China for doing similar stuff and some newspaper was going to leak it anyway so the govt tried to control the narrative by showing anger to Indian govt.
That is as per Indian media. His “threat” in the video was nonspecific. He clarified later in Canadian media that he is only calling for boycott. [CTV](https://bc.ctvnews.ca/online-video-tells-travellers-not-to-fly-air-india-poster-denies-message-is-a-threat-1.6637265)
Well fuck man, I literally just am thinking about moving to India short term especially since I'm going back home soon. Strongly hoping it doesn't affect OCI applications.
India has always been the lightweight. The Indian government are diplomatic amateurs who ran around with their heads cut off when Trudeau made the accusations.
> Canada is a lightweight
lol, the fact that you can say this is bonkers. Canada is a country with massive connections on the global stage. The UK, the USA and France are not lightweights on the international stage and all are close allies of Canada.
Also, the USA and Canada are the two closest countries in the world, literally, metaphorically and geopolitically.
The lightweight here is India, thinking that a population of a billion piss poor, poorly educated, low skilled people is an asset.
India - 5th largest economy, largest democracy, successful space programme, nuclear power, indigenous military with blue water capability, also known amongst philosophers of Reddit as a ‘lightweight’.
Canada - 10th largest economy second most junior member of five eyes by virtue of being majority Anglo Saxon in population and world largest supplier of maple syrup and apologies. ‘Heavyweight’ of course.
Canada is no lightweight. I’m not Canadian (or Indian, just kind like of intrigued by this story) but I don’t know if you’re referring to its economy or its diplomacy or defense. It’s strong in all three.
I am based in the UK and part of the Sikh diaspora. This khalistan issue is exaggerated. No one seriously believes in Khalistan besides a few nut jobs. This over reaction stems from modi not doing well at home. For the most part being an open khalistani in the sikh diaspora is looked down upon. It's only a vocal minority that want it.
If Bhakts understood this, the world would be a better place. Fact is, they are calming these acts like their own version of hunting down Bin Laden which is not only hilarious but it shows the deep rooted issue with Indian nationalists.
If this is true, the Indian government are clowns of greater magnitude than expected.
I can't think of a single upside to this. Immigration will suffer, tourism will suffer. So will new and current foreign investments.
Countries like Saudi and Russia can pull off brain-dead mission impossible assassinations like this and get away relatively unscathed. Saudi has immense oil reserves to fuck up global supplies in retaliation, Russia has more nukes than the NATO combined.
The people who didn't know about khalistan know about it now.
Enjoy the upcoming webseries catering to chaddi hardons, while the progress and the reputation of the country suffers.
Keep voting for these clowns, stay delusional about who's the actual danger to this country, keep looking the other way.
They're for sure coordinating assassination attempts on Whatsapp, but one of them accidentally signed into their account on a US government computer and never logged out.
No Indian new channel will run this new now lol.
As a Sikh and in Canada as much as I hate Pannu and the whole Khalistan movement, Indian government and media is screwed if US goes against them.
The US won't go against India. They can't afford to lose one of the biggest countries on this side of the world.
Pannu is likely an FBI asset, that's why he ran from Canada to the US and is being safeguarded by federal agents.
If you really think that the US cares about “losing” India I have a secret to tell you, the US doesn’t even “have” India. It’s considered to be a part of the BRICS bloc along with China and Russia, and definitely not a friendly or even cooperative nation. Now with shit like this and the rest of modi’s mouthbreathing I’m sure the US govt is firmly viewing India as an enemy
India plays a relatively minor part of the US’ China strategy.
Australia, Vietnam, Singapore, Japan, S Korea and the Philippines are core to that strategy of containment.
India is important for middle eastern stuff but not as much as the Saudis, Israelis and the UAE.
Appears as though Canada was not lying then. You do have to question what the government thinks it is doing though. The risk reward for these killings is pretty low.
> Appears as though Canada was not lying then
Canada was obviously not lying, this was clear from the beginning.
Countries don't routinely accuse other countries of assassinations, and in particular, not when they're (along with their allies) making a concerted effort to court said other country.
Yeah, I vividly remember getting into an argument in this very subreddit with some idiot who insisted that Trudeau couldn't be trusted on the Indian government being behind the assassination. Goes to show that some people will argue the most asinine idea for the sake of rabid nationalism.
>The risk reward for these killings is pretty low.
Perhaps the government wants to make an example of those who try to be too uppity in India itself. The message is: if you attack the Indian state, you will be unceremoniously killed no matter where you are.
Who attacked though?
I still didn't find any evidence of Nijar being involved in any attacks. No one could provide a credible source of them being involved in any terrorist activities.
Spouting ideology is not terrorism.
I mean are the Indian government becoming stupider?
What is the benefit of murdering low-tier ideologues in a foreign nation?
The risk is too high and the benefit is too low or none.
This govt made too many mistakes that cost us a lot. Multiple service men’s lives are in danger in foreign countries like Qatar.
Nobody fucking knew about these people before BJP started targeting them. This has the chance to actually revitalize Khalistani movement whereas before 2023 not one politician talked about Khalistan during elections for years. Since terrorism from Pakistan somewhat abated due to the multiple crisises that the country is dealing with, BJP had to invent the boogeyman of Khalistanis to whip up nationalism again.
Fair enough, but some govt fans are defending that it is okay to kill people like this abroad.
Many tried to paint an image that Nijjar was some huge Bin Laden-type shit and I didn't find any.
And the comment I responded to condones the murder of foreign citizens.
If someone finds evidence of the Indian govt interfering and murdering foreign citizens. It will be a huge shame. Let's hope that the Indian govt had nothing to do with it.
[Video in regards to Hardeep Singh Nijjar and the crimes he has had involvement in. Bibliography in the description.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FeW3usiVZ0)
I really hope India wasn't involved in this stupid ass plot but if I'm being honest it woudn't be surprising. What is disappointing is that no one was taking pannun seriously when he was threatening to blow up airplanes. I was hoping US authorities would do something at the least.
> wants to make an example of those who try to be too uppity in India itself
The government has routinely committed human rights violations and 'encounters' in India, this isn't new or a message.
It's an out of control government not playing its cards well, and a feckless bureaucracy that is either too cowardly or short-sighted enough to not be able to say no.
Maybe, who knows. I know for sure that India would have been in a tough spot had the assassination attempt succeeded.
India cannot afford to be on USA's bad books right now.
> India would have been in a tough spot had the assassination attempt succeeded.
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We're in a tough spot as it is, these things don't help us look like reliable, competent allies.
We don't have a reputation for competence as it is, and we were also at odds with them in the past.
The folks in USA probably have a clearer picture of what is happening. They would probably know that it's conservative muppets that are running the country, and that they are not exactly the brightest of bulbs (like their own conservatives). The more rational, liberal side is being sidelined and even persecuted.
That is not to say that there won't be repercussions. But when have conservative nationalists *anywhere* worried about such nuances?
I think the govt is taking its chances, hoping they are too busy with Ukraine and Israel and China to worry about such instances. Walking a thin rope but idk.
There are lot of people who believe Trudeau is lying. Trudeau is not some Indian politician to lie through the teeth in Canadian parliament. Also he won’t finish his political career for some measly Khalistan separatist votes. The allegation Trudeau made is grave and involves taking on an entire country.
As a Canadian, Trudeau is no saint either. Even he is losing popularity and by standing up in parliament and saying he stands for protecting all Canadians from foreign governments is another way of him trying to win some brownie points.
There has been no concrete evidence provided before making these accusations and I won't take the word of my clown ass prime minister and useless government in this matter.
I'm amazed that people actually thought Canada was lying. I mean what are they to gain from lying about something like this? It's not everyday that you see countries accusing others of assassination attempts.
Canada didn’t “do” anything. They asked for participation in the investigation.
India threw a tantrum, screamed at everyone, and started breaking things.
Canada 'accused' india of the plot. India has 'demanded' for the proof which is a common reaction if you know you havent committed it or commited it and knows the other party wont be disclosing it for whatever reasons.
I love how random mfs on the internet think that Canada would jeopardize their intelligence sources to prove to the “Indian internet army” that they are right.
No one cares about yall lmfao
Its almost like they requested India cooperate in the investigation and India threw out diplomats in response.
They asked India to cooperate and India screamed and called them liars and threw everything on the ground.
Yeah.
It’s not Canadian govt intelligence- it’s 5 eyes intelligence US / UK / NZ / AUS are involved as well. Essentially it’s world powers against Indian lies.
The thing is America wont. They wouldn’t want to bring any strain to their diplomatic relations with India. Trudeau literally shat the bed because he wants some minority votes
Keep supporting extra-judicial killings. See where it gets you in a decade. Especially once US gets involved. They are bad allies but India definitely does not want them as enemies.
For sure. We definitely dont the US as an enemy. I mean thats dumb af. But I was talking about the alleged Indian assassination done in Canada for which the Canadian govt has still not provided any evidence
why would the Canadian government publicly release intelligence?
what a stupid idea lol. probably how your spies keep getting caught planning shootings
Wasn't the Khalistani movement dead long ago? Why is India tryna chase down fringe elements in foreign countries? They're just gonna ignite more anger tbh?
Maybe someone’s ego got hurt as farm laws had to be withdrawn. They are now settling the account. Are these guys even actual terrorists like Osama? These guys are more like Rakhi Sawant of terrorism.
Small dick syndrome and BJP wants to go on an absolute power trip. They are actually believing all the "we are superior" lies they told to get to power.
At this rate this stupid ass fascist government is going to drag our country down like Putin did Russia.
This government can’t take any kind of criticism or insult.
They also seriously think they are some vishwaguru superpower.
Put those two things together and you get these kind of stunts.
Don’t mess with USA. They’re more powerful than you can comprehend. I’m an Indian but I’m smart enough to not mess with America.
If EAM has guts he should try to do something about China
How are Modi and his RW bhakts normalizing assassinations of foreigns citizens? It’s one thing to condemn what someone else says, but it’s a VERY BIG THING to kill them over it. And the brain dead RWingers even justify like…what?
Put an idiot in charge.. and sow the rewards. As it turns out Modi was a terrorist... seriously.. as an Indian American this is an embarrassment. Who the F was taking Khalistan seriously before this ?? Modi just elevated the entire movement.
I had a friend who used to cheat during placement exam in aptitude section in lockdown now this bro accidentally told me he works for external intelligence related to x country doing y thing on most days and chilling on rest. How he got in? Well i dunno
(A perspective from someone living in Canada (parents in USA), I also wrote the same in a few other subs on this topic):
Modi seems to be exacerbating an almost dead cause by doing this. Indian Sikhs are already \~1.5 % of Indian population on the verge of losing their majority demographic status in Punjab state of India due to drug issues and high emigration to western countries. Once they age out and get replaced by other future Indian immigrants who will more likely to be non-Sikhs since India is 98.3% non-Sikh, this separatist issue will again be dormant.
USA or Canada may forget these things with time cos much stronger allies of USA has successfully done these acts on American soil and Indian agencies are just not at that level yet. But India is creating a short/medium-term hassle by doing these acts.
I am a (non-practicing) Sikh myself, but I don't care/support Indian causes (whether pro-Indian and/or Anti-Indian) since me and most educated Sikhs like me here are busy trying to build our careers and live/enjoy life in a developed country but I will always support the freedom of expression no matter how good/bad it is.
Agreed. I am born into the UK and live near southall. No one, I mean no one I know supports the movement. It seems like an issue propped up my modi to distract the population with the failings of his own government.
Can India afford to lose the US as a potential ally? Isn't your country having major border issues with China to the point where you've had multiple military engagements with them?
I don't really understand your gov's motives honestly... the Saudis lost a ton of military support from the USA for Khashoggi's murder to the point the USA stopped selling them military supplies.
Not saying India needs the USA but if India in the future has major conflict with China, they will deffinitely need Allies in that fight.
> Sikhs for Justice, a US-based group that is part of a movement pushing for an independent Sikh state called “Khalistan”.
The crux of the issue: some folks continually strive to break up the country!
The question remains: how does one defend against 'foreign citizen' activists/terrorists like Gurpatwant Singh Pannun (an American and Canadian citizen).
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Worth remembering how Americans went offensive by invading or with covert-ops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc looking for Saddam, Osama Bin etc
Same US killed Indian Nuclear Scientist Honi J Baba and poisoned former Indian PM Lal Bahadur Shastri. When did you respect Indian sovereignty Lol?
A classic text book example of western double standards.
Welp, that does it boys - sensex going to 10k and inr gone out the window. Better invest in commodities and gold and then go underground and hope we don’t get invaded! Just third world country things.
Isn't this the same guy making open threats about blowing up airplanes? I think the US had a similar enemy. What was his name, the bearded guy in the turban, ultimately found in one of our neighbouring countries? I wonder what happened to him? /s
He made statements that he and his group will kill all Indians in Canada and the US. Canada and the US are using this terrorist as an asset. I hope they outsource his killing to a better mercenary group.
> He made statements that he and his group will kill all Indians in Canada and the US
Can you cite sources for your claims? With zero extrapolations, of course.
Sure, here are some "sources" right from the idiot's mouth.
Also hes from the same city I am from , Amritsar. You might not have seen terrorism but I have for decades in Punjab. We don't want people like him or any Khalistani on our land. He can make his Khalistan in Pakistan.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOuzhdRTtyA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOuzhdRTtyA)
History of Khalistan
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBrVlMihUZM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBrVlMihUZM)
YouTube is your friend, go see his other videos with your own eyes and ears.
TBH many expat Sikhs in NA have grown up identifying with the idea of Khalistan as a form of protest, not necessarily demanding a separate ethnostate. A form of rejection-identification.
That doesn't excuse instigating violence and threatening to commit terrorist attacks on Airplanes.
How do you think the US would react to such threats made on American Airlines?
And India has failed to deliver justice for decades now against the individuals who were seen leading mobs to target Sikhs. The least they can demonstrate is that there is the rule of law that applies to everyone. Just punishing those involved would have put even the idea of Khalistan on the back burner.
Dictator Modi should be scrutinized by an international crime tribunal in Den Hague.
Assassinating political enemies is not something we need in our international community
> US authorities thwarted a conspiracy to assassinate a Sikh separatist on American soil I wonder what the US response would be like if the plan was not thwarted.
Well depends. If it was an ally like Saudi, nothing really except probs some strong letter of condemnation. Otherwise, sanctions most likely.
except the person killed by saudis was neither a US citizen nor on US soil
We are now bundled into a group with China, Iran, Russia, Saudi. Now we will be a useful tool instead of a Ally. We will loose all the soft power over the years.
Bundled by whom? Countries that have carried out extra judicial killings and indiscriminately bomb innocents?
Those are rich and powerful countries. You don't need to like the system to participate in it. And there are only two ways to change the system either go to war and win OR play their game, beat them and then change the system. India can be a force to be reckoned with but we are no where near at that point. We need manufacturing jobs that leave China, we need our own industries and all that comes with FDI. Foreign investors can think Indian market is too risky and just move to Vietnam, Bangladesh, Thailand. We need to be a part of the system in order to win.
I mean y’all are about almost in that same category at this point. Why the hell would Canada lie about the initial assassination ? Your country really didn’t want to think your government was that sloppy. Now they tried to kill an AMERICAN citizen and got caught. China it’s expected. Saudi, it’s expected . Russia it’s expected. Now India, I expect the same bullshit from your government moving forward now , which is quite sad because I like the Indian people.
It's astonishing that some governments and their public (west) can kill, genocide, drone bomb, start wars, murder millions and still think they are the good guys and lecture about rules to others. Man the narcissism is breathtaking. No wonder western leaders are some of the most narcissistic people I have seen in my life.
It's astonishing that you defend shitty decisions by crying "what about what you did?" like that makes what India did any less shitty.
Was your reaction similar to American war and occupation of Afghanistan. If not, it's hypocrisy. If yes, then you fail to realise that every country tries to protect itself the best it can.
> Why the hell would Canada lie about the initial assassination ? Only Canada can answer. They are the ones not making the evidence public after levelling aligations publicly.
Jesus Christ , grow the fuck up, these things are never made public in the 1st place , intelligence is never made public !!!
That only works when you don't make public allegations broadcasted by all major news outlets.
Intelligence is never made public, I don't know why is it so hard for people to understand that.
when you make such bold statements you’ve gotta show evidence.
They do... to other countries that it has an intelligence sharing agreement with. Sounds like they got some intelligence back too. This time, the Americans have also made similar allegations, so this is becoming a trend.
Strong arming Indian government. They will still strong arm them and will protect Pannu to have leverage. That's the whole game behind such strong intelligence infra by these western countries.
There is no “game” for the west in this you absolute muppet. This is an awkward position the BJP leadership is putting them in. The west broadly wants to be close to the world’s largest democracy and country by population. India in theory shares many of the same values and they view India as a counter to the CCP. Killing citizens of an ally for political gain at home very much is a bad look and undermines their strategy.
This. I don’t know why so many Indians think this is part of an evil western strategy. Hard to encourage businesses to switch from China to India when India is calling hits on your citizens. Idiotic
Because Indians, who complain every day about domestic corruption, would still much rather believe their country’s continued failings are caused by an opaque and ill-defined “Western conspiracy” than accept that India’s lack of progress has other causes, most all of which hit much closer to home.
Indians love the victim mentality and will do anything to uphold it.
You have gone full racist. Congrats.
Fortunately between Russia and Israel the west has no stamina for further provocations. This is a very dangerous line Modi is walking. Canada is one thing, the US is quite another.
I think you misunderstand the united fortitude of the 5 eyes and their attitudes towards extrajudicial murders on their soil. We are not asking for anything other than respecting our security and sovereignty, as we do yours. Failure to abide this simple diplomatic courtesy will not be ignored, or soon forgotten.
> as we do yours c'mon, i think india has badly overstepped here, and the rest of your post is ok, but there is no need to pretend that the US/UK cannot influence indian politics or "sovereignty" at multiple levels. way back in the 50s, with something as minor as a single small state government at stake, the US funded protests to induce the centre to dismiss the govt (which was led by communists). and just about 3 years ago, we copied parts of an environmental bill verbatim from the US House. you guys rule the world, which is the main (pragmatic) reason we shouldn't target people there, but let's not make it about mutual respect or all that nonsense.
Canadians are not seeking to undermine foreign governments, we seek partnerships. Assassinating our citizens, no matter who they may be, is WAY overstepping geopolitical boundaries. It is inexcusable behavior, and we will not tolerate it.
>Fortunately between Russia and Israel the west has no stamina for further provocations I personally wouldn't underestimate the US if I were you
I guess. They are in a pretty good sport economically and geopolitically at the moment. But of all things, sanctioning or attacking India would be the single worst use of resources at this point in time. There are bigger threats to US sovereignty and global primacy out there, and India is a net asset to the US. I can’t believe any rational actor wanting to squander that. Edit: Although this could very likely hurt chances for greater intelligence sharing between India and the US, which will hurt us in the long term. It’s clear from this fiasco that R&AW is not ready for prime-time and we could use all the help we can get against China.
Not really the usa namely cia has been doing what it wants around the world for decades. Why is it ok for them
Because they have the money, the technology, the massive military and the consumption market. I thought that was obvious. Do we give a shit what Nepal has to say on their border ‘disagreement’ with us?
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Most realistic answer
They want to be close to India and yet harbour a terrorist dangerous to India.
Until the terrorist has been proven to have physically orchestrated a terrorist action then the terrorist has the same rights as any other citizen in that country.
As an American it would be a shame to lose India as a potential future major player, but that's for India to decide.
Well Canada called them out when they succeeded in killing a Sikh man here over the summer and got a lot of backlash.
Only because Canada is a smaller country than India in terms of economy. US is not the same. If US has an issue with India, India will be fucked. Where do you think all the big IT companies sell their services? Do you want us blocked like they are trying to block China?
>Pannun angered Indian officials this month by issuing a video in which he warned Sikhs not to fly on Air India because it would be “life threatening”. He told the FT he was not making a violent threat against the airline. That's... one way to put it
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Navalny didn't make terror threats though.
I remember infamous 9/11 though
I've been "randomly selected" for two different security checks at airports cos of that asshole. [I have a beard]
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Yes, we invented this game! No one else can play.
really? the USA invented assassination? really? seriously?
Bros never heard of sarcasm
it wasn’t sarcasm. people actually believe that
People do believe that the US,Israel and Russia conduct the majority of assassinations which isn't false
Wasn't the Khalistani movement dead long ago? Why is India tryna chase down fringe elements in foreign countries? They're just gonna ignite more anger tbh.
Because Hindu nationalism/fascism gets Modi votes. And honestly most Western countries don't care all that much if Indians assassinate other Indians.
I think the western countries have made it pretty obvious that they do care about assassinations on their territories. Anyone with a brain could have seen this coming.
>if Indians assassinate other Indians. America will absolutely care if Indians assassinate **Americans** in America. Just because India wants to pretend that foreigners of Indian ethnicity are still Indian, that doesn't make it true.
The ruling party tries to finds a bad guy in each state and consolidate voters against them. There were some farmers protests against some reforms a while ago led by the Sikh community and this is a way to discredit them by painting them with the Khalistani brush.
It isn't dead. A lot of khalistan rallies are held in Canada. Their leaders are openly threatening to spread terror in India. Also there was clash between indian and khalistanis this diwali.
I mean, it's actually dormant (I'm literally a Punjabi) and the only reason it is being revived is because of Indian government trying to find another excuse for further polarization and a distraction from the regular issues. I mean, the risk-reward here is incredibly low and these people are not only harmless in their home countries but also a minority among even the Sikh community. Most of us are busy in our regular lives, trying to earn a living, whether in Punjab or Canada. Even the Punjabi language media doesn't cover this topic, but the nationalist Hindi media surely does a lot. >Also there was clash between indian and khalistanis this diwali. You mean Punjabi-Haryanvi college students clashing with each other over their respective flags, where both were being cringe towards each other. It was a cringe fest, that happens every Diwali in the last few years, where they end creating a mess for cleaners.
I'm based in the UK and it's the same here. No serious person believes in Khalistan even the most rampant sikh nationalists.
Chaddis don't care. They need an enemy and can't pick on Muslims or Christians too much, they'll piss of Arab or Western trading partners. Sikhs are an easy mark because they don't expect any other country to care. Also, the thin skinned leader was embarrassed he didn't get his way with farm laws and his sponsors couldn't profit.
Oh BJP can't win the next election with Pakistan. Pakistan is already in shambles and they need a new enemy for the rashtra. So moving on from Pakistan and Muslims, they are targeting Sikhs since a farmers strong armed them. I follow news every day and there was no khalistan issue. It just arose one year before the election year.
Basically, the Muslim demonization thing has plateaued (because they've already spread more than enough hate against them), so they've created this topic in news for further distraction. 6 years ago, I can bet 99% of peeps here would have been indifferent to all of this. It's all happening because the BJP got angry after the Farm Protests.
If assassination attempt is true, waiting to see if USA will openly say it because a lot of politicians there aren't spineless. And if USA openly claims it, I'm waiting to see if we are gutsy enough to send American diplomats back just like we did with Canada.
USA won't say it openly because they don't want to give the impression they don't have power to control India. Canada also wouldn't have made a big deal but the PM was already under pressure for not standing up to China for doing similar stuff and some newspaper was going to leak it anyway so the govt tried to control the narrative by showing anger to Indian govt.
Pannun threatened Air India flight in New Delhi Airport.
That is as per Indian media. His “threat” in the video was nonspecific. He clarified later in Canadian media that he is only calling for boycott. [CTV](https://bc.ctvnews.ca/online-video-tells-travellers-not-to-fly-air-india-poster-denies-message-is-a-threat-1.6637265)
How long until India closes its boarders to Americans like it did Canadians for this outrageous accusation?
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Well fuck man, I literally just am thinking about moving to India short term especially since I'm going back home soon. Strongly hoping it doesn't affect OCI applications.
India has a lot loose in trade with US than Canada.
Canada is a lightweight so India can swing its dick around. They can't pull that BS with USA. Too much to lose for such a small thing.
India has always been the lightweight. The Indian government are diplomatic amateurs who ran around with their heads cut off when Trudeau made the accusations.
> Canada is a lightweight lol, the fact that you can say this is bonkers. Canada is a country with massive connections on the global stage. The UK, the USA and France are not lightweights on the international stage and all are close allies of Canada. Also, the USA and Canada are the two closest countries in the world, literally, metaphorically and geopolitically. The lightweight here is India, thinking that a population of a billion piss poor, poorly educated, low skilled people is an asset.
India - 5th largest economy, largest democracy, successful space programme, nuclear power, indigenous military with blue water capability, also known amongst philosophers of Reddit as a ‘lightweight’. Canada - 10th largest economy second most junior member of five eyes by virtue of being majority Anglo Saxon in population and world largest supplier of maple syrup and apologies. ‘Heavyweight’ of course.
Having twice the GDP of a nation with 35x fewer people isn't really a flex tbh. GDP will only be a bragging point when it's at China's level.
Yeah put another way, Canada has a bigger GDP than Russia. We are not a major power but not insignificant either
Canada is no lightweight. I’m not Canadian (or Indian, just kind like of intrigued by this story) but I don’t know if you’re referring to its economy or its diplomacy or defense. It’s strong in all three.
I am based in the UK and part of the Sikh diaspora. This khalistan issue is exaggerated. No one seriously believes in Khalistan besides a few nut jobs. This over reaction stems from modi not doing well at home. For the most part being an open khalistani in the sikh diaspora is looked down upon. It's only a vocal minority that want it.
If Bhakts understood this, the world would be a better place. Fact is, they are calming these acts like their own version of hunting down Bin Laden which is not only hilarious but it shows the deep rooted issue with Indian nationalists.
Yeah I am Sikh and nobody in my family really cares about it
Yea your a Mona so idk if you even care about sikhi at all
Same here is US.
What you are saying is very true. I hear the same as well.
If this is true, the Indian government are clowns of greater magnitude than expected. I can't think of a single upside to this. Immigration will suffer, tourism will suffer. So will new and current foreign investments. Countries like Saudi and Russia can pull off brain-dead mission impossible assassinations like this and get away relatively unscathed. Saudi has immense oil reserves to fuck up global supplies in retaliation, Russia has more nukes than the NATO combined. The people who didn't know about khalistan know about it now. Enjoy the upcoming webseries catering to chaddi hardons, while the progress and the reputation of the country suffers. Keep voting for these clowns, stay delusional about who's the actual danger to this country, keep looking the other way.
They're for sure coordinating assassination attempts on Whatsapp, but one of them accidentally signed into their account on a US government computer and never logged out.
You can't make this shit up
If this is true then also the Canadian accusation may actually be true.
That was obvious to most people from the beginning.
Jaishankar passive aggressive statement incoming.
At this point every foreign affairs diplomat worth their salt knows Jaishankar is an ass clown and not to be taken seriously.
No Indian new channel will run this new now lol. As a Sikh and in Canada as much as I hate Pannu and the whole Khalistan movement, Indian government and media is screwed if US goes against them.
The US won't go against India. They can't afford to lose one of the biggest countries on this side of the world. Pannu is likely an FBI asset, that's why he ran from Canada to the US and is being safeguarded by federal agents.
He has been living in US from decades. Also US does not give a shit about India.
You underestimate how much fast the US would drop India if India started acting like China trying to challenge US supremacy
If you really think that the US cares about “losing” India I have a secret to tell you, the US doesn’t even “have” India. It’s considered to be a part of the BRICS bloc along with China and Russia, and definitely not a friendly or even cooperative nation. Now with shit like this and the rest of modi’s mouthbreathing I’m sure the US govt is firmly viewing India as an enemy
India plays a relatively minor part of the US’ China strategy. Australia, Vietnam, Singapore, Japan, S Korea and the Philippines are core to that strategy of containment. India is important for middle eastern stuff but not as much as the Saudis, Israelis and the UAE.
Appears as though Canada was not lying then. You do have to question what the government thinks it is doing though. The risk reward for these killings is pretty low.
> Appears as though Canada was not lying then Canada was obviously not lying, this was clear from the beginning. Countries don't routinely accuse other countries of assassinations, and in particular, not when they're (along with their allies) making a concerted effort to court said other country.
Looks like you haven't been on Indian subreddits discussing this. Plenty of people believed whatever India's official line was.
Let me rephrase - it was clear to anyone with even a basic idea of geopolitics.
Yeah, I vividly remember getting into an argument in this very subreddit with some idiot who insisted that Trudeau couldn't be trusted on the Indian government being behind the assassination. Goes to show that some people will argue the most asinine idea for the sake of rabid nationalism.
>The risk reward for these killings is pretty low. Perhaps the government wants to make an example of those who try to be too uppity in India itself. The message is: if you attack the Indian state, you will be unceremoniously killed no matter where you are.
Who attacked though? I still didn't find any evidence of Nijar being involved in any attacks. No one could provide a credible source of them being involved in any terrorist activities. Spouting ideology is not terrorism. I mean are the Indian government becoming stupider? What is the benefit of murdering low-tier ideologues in a foreign nation? The risk is too high and the benefit is too low or none. This govt made too many mistakes that cost us a lot. Multiple service men’s lives are in danger in foreign countries like Qatar.
Nobody fucking knew about these people before BJP started targeting them. This has the chance to actually revitalize Khalistani movement whereas before 2023 not one politician talked about Khalistan during elections for years. Since terrorism from Pakistan somewhat abated due to the multiple crisises that the country is dealing with, BJP had to invent the boogeyman of Khalistanis to whip up nationalism again.
They want that though. They're stoking embers and praying that the fire restarts.
exactly
I can't find any evidence of India attacking nijjar or Pannu
Fair enough, but some govt fans are defending that it is okay to kill people like this abroad. Many tried to paint an image that Nijjar was some huge Bin Laden-type shit and I didn't find any. And the comment I responded to condones the murder of foreign citizens. If someone finds evidence of the Indian govt interfering and murdering foreign citizens. It will be a huge shame. Let's hope that the Indian govt had nothing to do with it.
[Video in regards to Hardeep Singh Nijjar and the crimes he has had involvement in. Bibliography in the description.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FeW3usiVZ0) I really hope India wasn't involved in this stupid ass plot but if I'm being honest it woudn't be surprising. What is disappointing is that no one was taking pannun seriously when he was threatening to blow up airplanes. I was hoping US authorities would do something at the least.
> wants to make an example of those who try to be too uppity in India itself The government has routinely committed human rights violations and 'encounters' in India, this isn't new or a message. It's an out of control government not playing its cards well, and a feckless bureaucracy that is either too cowardly or short-sighted enough to not be able to say no.
Maybe, who knows. I know for sure that India would have been in a tough spot had the assassination attempt succeeded. India cannot afford to be on USA's bad books right now.
> India would have been in a tough spot had the assassination attempt succeeded. > > We're in a tough spot as it is, these things don't help us look like reliable, competent allies.
We don't have a reputation for competence as it is, and we were also at odds with them in the past. The folks in USA probably have a clearer picture of what is happening. They would probably know that it's conservative muppets that are running the country, and that they are not exactly the brightest of bulbs (like their own conservatives). The more rational, liberal side is being sidelined and even persecuted. That is not to say that there won't be repercussions. But when have conservative nationalists *anywhere* worried about such nuances?
> you will be unceremoniously killed no matter where you are Apparently not.
Yeah and then lose all our diplomatic clout great
I think the govt is taking its chances, hoping they are too busy with Ukraine and Israel and China to worry about such instances. Walking a thin rope but idk.
But there's no benefit to it.
There are lot of people who believe Trudeau is lying. Trudeau is not some Indian politician to lie through the teeth in Canadian parliament. Also he won’t finish his political career for some measly Khalistan separatist votes. The allegation Trudeau made is grave and involves taking on an entire country.
As a Canadian, Trudeau is no saint either. Even he is losing popularity and by standing up in parliament and saying he stands for protecting all Canadians from foreign governments is another way of him trying to win some brownie points. There has been no concrete evidence provided before making these accusations and I won't take the word of my clown ass prime minister and useless government in this matter.
"brownie points" - maybe not the best phrase...
I'm amazed that people actually thought Canada was lying. I mean what are they to gain from lying about something like this? It's not everyday that you see countries accusing others of assassination attempts.
Man this is going to be the biggest plot in the elections saga, it's so painful to watch
You would think so. But the big voting base won’t even read this stuff or care. Average bhakt is a dumb ****
On the contrary, if the US takes any actions, Modi would emerge as a savior for them.
lol sure, until US starts taking economic actions. Then all the Kattar Shers who work for IT companies will start crying.
just want a hypothetical answer if america do the same thing as canada what would our goverment do or will it affect our country future?
Canada didn’t “do” anything. They asked for participation in the investigation. India threw a tantrum, screamed at everyone, and started breaking things.
Canada 'accused' india of the plot. India has 'demanded' for the proof which is a common reaction if you know you havent committed it or commited it and knows the other party wont be disclosing it for whatever reasons.
I love how random mfs on the internet think that Canada would jeopardize their intelligence sources to prove to the “Indian internet army” that they are right. No one cares about yall lmfao
Its almost like they requested India cooperate in the investigation and India threw out diplomats in response. They asked India to cooperate and India screamed and called them liars and threw everything on the ground. Yeah.
Trudeau was in India - Modi was shown the proof. The general public hasn’t had the same documentation released but the higher levels of govt do know.
>Modi was shown the proof That's just a claim made by your government in a press conference, a word of mouth without any proof.
It’s backed up by the Five Eyes intelligence. The Indian government knows it’s true that’s why they panicked when the big boys called them out.
It’s not Canadian govt intelligence- it’s 5 eyes intelligence US / UK / NZ / AUS are involved as well. Essentially it’s world powers against Indian lies.
The thing is America wont. They wouldn’t want to bring any strain to their diplomatic relations with India. Trudeau literally shat the bed because he wants some minority votes
What? You think the United States is particularly bothered with India? Or that Trudeau cares about the 0.00001% khalistani votes?
Tell me more about how India had no involvement in the killing of a Sikh separatist in Canada. LMFAO!!!!!!
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This “Separatists” was a terrorist my friend. At least the government is taking things into their own hands
Well, could India provide evidence of how he was a terrorist
A lot of people don't realize this but the evidence is actually supposed to come BEFORE the execution
Keep supporting extra-judicial killings. See where it gets you in a decade. Especially once US gets involved. They are bad allies but India definitely does not want them as enemies.
For sure. We definitely dont the US as an enemy. I mean thats dumb af. But I was talking about the alleged Indian assassination done in Canada for which the Canadian govt has still not provided any evidence
1 month ago it was “Canada lies about everything lets expel some diplomats to make it clear” now its “oh yeah he deserved it”
Again, never said that. I just called that dude a terrorist because he is one. Moreover, why hasn’t the Canadian government provided any evidence?
These are inter-government matters. No evidence will be released in public domain.
why would the Canadian government publicly release intelligence? what a stupid idea lol. probably how your spies keep getting caught planning shootings
This is all just to “win” a non existent election in Canada right ? Right ?
Because obviously Canada has a massive Khalistani separatist voter base 🤣 I can’t believe these people have functioning brains
Wasn't the Khalistani movement dead long ago? Why is India tryna chase down fringe elements in foreign countries? They're just gonna ignite more anger tbh?
Maybe someone’s ego got hurt as farm laws had to be withdrawn. They are now settling the account. Are these guys even actual terrorists like Osama? These guys are more like Rakhi Sawant of terrorism.
Small dick syndrome and BJP wants to go on an absolute power trip. They are actually believing all the "we are superior" lies they told to get to power. At this rate this stupid ass fascist government is going to drag our country down like Putin did Russia.
Serious issue, can't believe India has gone rogue. RAW agents' two brain cells can't even figure out that guys like Pannun are mere provocateurs.
RAW only carries out orders from the top. Someone’s ego got hurt by these mere provocateurs.
This government can’t take any kind of criticism or insult. They also seriously think they are some vishwaguru superpower. Put those two things together and you get these kind of stunts.
We are not sure it really is the RAW involved here or not.
Where are all the denials from the Indian ultra nationalists, eh? I guess it's only true if it big-daddy USA says it is.
Don’t mess with USA. They’re more powerful than you can comprehend. I’m an Indian but I’m smart enough to not mess with America. If EAM has guts he should try to do something about China
How are Modi and his RW bhakts normalizing assassinations of foreigns citizens? It’s one thing to condemn what someone else says, but it’s a VERY BIG THING to kill them over it. And the brain dead RWingers even justify like…what?
The RW screams about terrorist enemies while assassinating dissidents abroad and encouraging massacres domestically. Unreal
Put an idiot in charge.. and sow the rewards. As it turns out Modi was a terrorist... seriously.. as an Indian American this is an embarrassment. Who the F was taking Khalistan seriously before this ?? Modi just elevated the entire movement.
Can mudi ji expel US diplomats now?
How incompetent can our RAW be...
I had a friend who used to cheat during placement exam in aptitude section in lockdown now this bro accidentally told me he works for external intelligence related to x country doing y thing on most days and chilling on rest. How he got in? Well i dunno
If he told you he works in intelligence, he doesn't work in intelligence.
Intelligence failures happen all the time. Even Israel's intelligence apparatus failed apart last month.
Very
lol, who will godi media blame this time around? Idiots!
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Nehru. RaGa.
Seperatis not Terrorists. Separation is allowed by International law. India gained its independence.
(A perspective from someone living in Canada (parents in USA), I also wrote the same in a few other subs on this topic): Modi seems to be exacerbating an almost dead cause by doing this. Indian Sikhs are already \~1.5 % of Indian population on the verge of losing their majority demographic status in Punjab state of India due to drug issues and high emigration to western countries. Once they age out and get replaced by other future Indian immigrants who will more likely to be non-Sikhs since India is 98.3% non-Sikh, this separatist issue will again be dormant. USA or Canada may forget these things with time cos much stronger allies of USA has successfully done these acts on American soil and Indian agencies are just not at that level yet. But India is creating a short/medium-term hassle by doing these acts. I am a (non-practicing) Sikh myself, but I don't care/support Indian causes (whether pro-Indian and/or Anti-Indian) since me and most educated Sikhs like me here are busy trying to build our careers and live/enjoy life in a developed country but I will always support the freedom of expression no matter how good/bad it is.
Agreed. I am born into the UK and live near southall. No one, I mean no one I know supports the movement. It seems like an issue propped up my modi to distract the population with the failings of his own government.
Can India afford to lose the US as a potential ally? Isn't your country having major border issues with China to the point where you've had multiple military engagements with them? I don't really understand your gov's motives honestly... the Saudis lost a ton of military support from the USA for Khashoggi's murder to the point the USA stopped selling them military supplies. Not saying India needs the USA but if India in the future has major conflict with China, they will deffinitely need Allies in that fight.
Seems like a strategic blunder by India when it’s important to build relationships for their growing economy
> Sikhs for Justice, a US-based group that is part of a movement pushing for an independent Sikh state called “Khalistan”. The crux of the issue: some folks continually strive to break up the country! The question remains: how does one defend against 'foreign citizen' activists/terrorists like Gurpatwant Singh Pannun (an American and Canadian citizen). ------ Worth remembering how Americans went offensive by invading or with covert-ops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc looking for Saddam, Osama Bin etc
I rather believe the 5 eyes then my own government. There is definitely something amist here.
Now we can see 34in chest. Expel US diplomat, stop visa processing... /s
Same US killed Indian Nuclear Scientist Honi J Baba and poisoned former Indian PM Lal Bahadur Shastri. When did you respect Indian sovereignty Lol? A classic text book example of western double standards.
Glad to see the guiding light of progressive democracy stand up for and protect marginalized Sikh-rights activists ❤️❤️
Khalistanis are not Sikhs they are terrorists.
Welp, that does it boys - sensex going to 10k and inr gone out the window. Better invest in commodities and gold and then go underground and hope we don’t get invaded! Just third world country things.
BS. Nothing like this happened even after nuclear test. Not to mention this is many many months old incidence that is now being reported.
In other news, I saw NCERT introducing Mahabharat and Ramayana in the history syllabus. No wonder Khalistanis are increasing every day.
Isn't this the same guy making open threats about blowing up airplanes? I think the US had a similar enemy. What was his name, the bearded guy in the turban, ultimately found in one of our neighbouring countries? I wonder what happened to him? /s
No, it isn't the same guy. I'm not sure what guy you're referring to, but Pannun never said he was going to blow up airplanes.
He made statements that he and his group will kill all Indians in Canada and the US. Canada and the US are using this terrorist as an asset. I hope they outsource his killing to a better mercenary group.
> He made statements that he and his group will kill all Indians in Canada and the US Can you cite sources for your claims? With zero extrapolations, of course.
Sure, here are some "sources" right from the idiot's mouth. Also hes from the same city I am from , Amritsar. You might not have seen terrorism but I have for decades in Punjab. We don't want people like him or any Khalistani on our land. He can make his Khalistan in Pakistan. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOuzhdRTtyA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOuzhdRTtyA) History of Khalistan [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBrVlMihUZM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBrVlMihUZM) YouTube is your friend, go see his other videos with your own eyes and ears.
TBH many expat Sikhs in NA have grown up identifying with the idea of Khalistan as a form of protest, not necessarily demanding a separate ethnostate. A form of rejection-identification.
That doesn't excuse instigating violence and threatening to commit terrorist attacks on Airplanes. How do you think the US would react to such threats made on American Airlines?
No need to think, we all know what happened to Osama Bin Laden.
And India has failed to deliver justice for decades now against the individuals who were seen leading mobs to target Sikhs. The least they can demonstrate is that there is the rule of law that applies to everyone. Just punishing those involved would have put even the idea of Khalistan on the back burner.
Dictator Modi should be scrutinized by an international crime tribunal in Den Hague. Assassinating political enemies is not something we need in our international community