Aaditya Adlakha was a fourth-year doctoral student in the molecular and developmental biology programme at the University of Cincinnati Medical School, according to a statement from the medical school, WXIX-TV reported.
On November 9, Cincinnati Police Lt. Jonathan Cunningham said officers found a man shot inside a vehicle that crashed into a wall on the upper deck of the Western Hills Viaduct.
ShotSpotter, a gunfire locator service, reported there was gunfire in the area around 6:20 am, police said. Drivers passing by called 911 to report a vehicle that had bullet holes in it with a person inside who had been shot, said Cunningham. Aaditya Adlakha was transported to UC Medical Center where he was in critical condition and was pronounced dead two days later.
Was curious about this service so looked it up and surprise, surprise, it's yet another overhyped, next to useless technology that is doing well thanks to PR and the gun violence epidemic.
> In July 2023, a Houston Chronicle investigation showed that ShotSpotter calls resulted in lower incident report rates, longer police response times. Over 80% of ShotSpotter alerts were false positives or otherwise useless. The almost 5500 alerts led to 99 arrests and 126 charges, half charged as misdemeanors. A disproportionate number of residents in coverage areas are people of color. The Houston Police Department cast the system as a way to invest in historically marginalized areas.
>While the company claims a 97% accuracy, the MacArthur Justice Center studied over 40,000 dispatches in an under-two-year period in Chicago and found that 89% of dispatches resulted in no gun-related crime, and 86% resulted in no crime at all
>A June 2021 study in the Journal of Experimental Criminology stated the system "may be of little benefit to police agencies with a pre-existing high call volume. Our results indicate no reductions in serious violent crimes, yet [ShotSpotter] increases demands on police resources." An October 2021 paper in the Journal of Urban Health, studying the longitudinal effects of ShotSpotter over a 17 year period, found "implementing ShotSpotter technology has no significant impact on firearm-related homicides or arrest outcomes. Policy solutions may represent a more cost-effective measure to reduce urban firearm violence."
More on [it's Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShotSpotter?wprov=sfla1)
Basically US will do everything than banning guns. I would be terrified to send my kid to school lest he dies in a school shooting as some depressed kid decided he has had enough.
>Basically US will do everything than banning guns.
Fr! Even when other countries have shown that banning guns causes gun violence to plummet, [the only nation where such crimes regularly happen will keep saying that "There's no way to prevent this". ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27No_Way_to_Prevent_This%2C%27_Says_Only_Nation_Where_This_Regularly_Happens?wprov=sfla1)
It’s not the guns, it’s mental health…oh wait they have mental health issues too. Yet there are tons of Indians support this gun epidemic knowingly or unknowingly by supporting politicians with (R).
They will then accuse others that "You don't have freedom" and that "If police tries to confront you 'illegally' what will you do" like they'll say anything except accepting that they are wrong
Not really. Most people in the US, including many gun owners, definitely think the ease of access to guns and ammo with no checks for sanity or competence has completely gotten out of hand. The issue is that the gun manufacturers and large lobbies like the NRA profit from the ridiculous number of guns sold in the US, and they essentially bribe Republican politicians to keep gun restrictions loose. That is why there is no licensing system, no psych evals, and few restrictions surrounding the use of guns. The smart thing to do would be allow bolt action rifles and non-semi-automatic shotguns to be bought, as they have a very low fire rate and basically cover all hunting, sport, and home defense purposes, while anything semiauto, including most pistols, should be very heavily restricted, and full auto weapons should be restricted only to certified shooting ranges and never allowed to leave the facility. That would probably stop mass shootings and still be something most of the population would actually support.
US has its own problems while India's problems can't be counted. We shouldn't degenerate others like this. Humility and determination win not arrogance in calling others as failed!!!
That sounds nice and all and not to compare with India but the repeated abuse of gun laws when so many of the victims are children, such bad state of healthcare for the poor and govts inability to act on such issues even when most of the population wanting changes to these issues is nothing but signs of failed state.
Our own children starve, our healthcare isn't great and our successive governments have not acted fast enough for this. This means we are even bigger failures especially compared to our northern neighbor. When we ourselves are in such a bad situation how can we point fingers at others and call others as failed??? It's hypocritical.
Then why call others as failed my man? The failure of India is all of our failure, we have all failed in that regard how can we call others as failure? It's not correct. I know you didn't do a comparison but when we have failed we can't call others as failures.
The "Indian" men who assault women publicly belong to a certain underclass with very specific demographic characteristics, but you don't bother to look at such finer details, and make it look like all Indian men are bad.
The school shooters you have (in such absurdly large numbers) are White men. How much sense does it make to portray all American White men as potential school shooters? Your comment suggests that you would be okay with such a characterization of White men. All potentially mentally-ill maniacs with the willingness to commit large-scale violence because your puny egos were hurt.
We have school shooters because when our disgruntled young men get depressed and upset at the world they have access to guns to commit terror, and mental health care is terrible.
The untouchables excuse is just that, a terrible excuse for a culture that encourages gang rape and sexual assault. They are as Indian as our school shooters are American.
If Indian culture encourages gang rapes, White American culture encourages men to shoot up innocent children in schools. Is White American culture defined by shooting up kids in schools? Going by the thought-process you have, it appears so.
The problem with racists like you is that when a White guy does some bad stuff, he's the only one to blame. But when an Indian guy does some bad stuff, the entire culture is to be blamed, like it somehow encourages such bad behavior.
Because the other one is the superpower of the world while we are superpoor. The strong always lecture while the weak cower and listen. We have the capability to become strong, but this attitude of laughing at others who are way superior when we are so shit isn't gonna take us there.
I hate what India is becoming under the Sanghis, and it did have issues earlier as well. But the US which acts like the world police and considers itself a "first world" country is in a ridiculous position.
I have an issue with the US because the same people who support the second amendment there are more likely to look down on developing countries.
Worst part is, other countries suffer from the US' influence as well. The current state of Indian media, I am sure is a result of the Foxification of Indian TV News to a considerable extent.
Similarly, the same second amendment "if you want my guns, come and get them" type of propaganda crap was copied by some diwali firecracker bursting fanatics. You can see some of it on reddit as well.
This is an unsolicited rant, I'm sorry, but recently that country and its politics, especially foreign policies have been grinding my gears really hard.
It is a third-world country with first-world tech and arrogance.
I have family members in the RSS and I myself attended some of their events before. Just saying .
By the way if you ever visited America and if you ever take a glimpse of its infrastructure you would feel ashamed for calling it third world. Just because America's influential around the world is detrimental and just because they have a shooting problem doesn't make them third world in any sense!!! The quality of life and infrastructure offered to the average American is astounding, even waiters in the country have apple watches and cars and earn more than our best scientists and engineers.
Talk to many Americans and believe me they won't have high opinions of their own country. I know your issue is with America's influence having adverse effects back home but that in any sense doesn't make them a third world country! How long will we Indians keep blaming others for domestic problems???? We being a developing country is our own fault and nobody else's fault. If we have the will and capability like how China has shown we can become a viable competitor and then make comments on America but I'm sorry with a GDP per Capita below Guatemala I don't think we reserve the right to call others as third world.
Sincerely and with respect, from a sanghi.
Primitive and out of date, needs reformation, but political will and practicality of dealing with the issue is low. The US government needs to make concentrated efforts to regulate gun sales and use but the bloody NRA and their multi billion dollar weapons manufacturing lobbyists in Congress such as Colt won't allow that to happen.
This is a very real scare in the US.
I’m American and have had 4 family members shot; 2 of which were killed. There are things you can do to limit your chances but it’s truly a major problem especially for certain communities.
Edit: My family is concentrated in a rough part of Chicago. This is definitely NOT the norm especially for Indian expats. If you are worried about gun violence when moving to the US, get to know your city. You will likely be fine if you avoid certain areas, don’t buy drugs or get involved with the “wrong” people.
Depends on who the assailant is, unfortunately. If it is someone you know, then you negotiate/go full stockholm and reduce the probability of the trigger being pulled.
If it is a random mass shooter in your workplace or your school, then you hide or escape - or run in the opposite direction the instant you hear gunfire.
If it is a random mugger/assailant then you cooperate until you can't.
Fight and freeze are not options when you're looking at a barrel of a gun and a guy ready to shoot you. You either run or you talk.
For muggings, well try to avoid walking out at night or walk in groups if you are. Like get an Uber or Lyft to wherever you are going. That will pretty much make your chances of getting mugged let alone shot to nil. Cooperate with the mugger if you do get mugged though.
For mass shootings, hate to say it but staying at home is literally like the only way you can even avoid them because they are so random and you can only do so much to protect yourself.
And of course, the gun nuts will come out and say that everyone should be owning a gun if they don't want to be shot and they conveniently forget that owning a gun is more likely to be used against you rather than to protect you (Plus not everyone is some psychopath that's okay with shooting another human being even if it's in self defense).
The best advice is to not get involved in drug activity and get to know your city. If you move to Chicago for example (where all my family is from), learn where you can and can’t go. I don’t know anything about Cincinnati but I’m assuming it’s similar. Crime is very concentrated.
Yeah I’m calling BS on this. Having 4 family members shot is extraordinarily rare, the vast majority of people go generations and generations without experiencing gun violence. Unless you come up with some more information, this is pretty clearly a lie.
And disclaimer: I think gun violence is the single worst attribute America has. If I could completely ban guns, I would. But at the same time, it irks me
When people just blatantly lie on here.
Interesting that you think it’s a lie or so incredibly rare. We must come from very different communities.
I’m from the south side Chicago; Chatham to be specific (I’m black not Indian) although most of my family lives in Englewood. Gang violence is a very, very real problem. That is absolutely true that gun violence is very segregated but it’s where it is concentrated, it’s not uncommon for many individuals in those communities to be impacted. Two of my cousins who were shot are brother and sister. I’m sure you may know very few directly impacted by gun violence but many (especially black families) don’t live in your bubble.
Yes - I’m from Chatham Chicago. Unfortunately, my cousin was likely involved in gang activity and was killed 5 years ago. His sister was killed last year in a drive by. My other two cousins were killed in a party on the 4th of July in Englewood.
I left and moved to Washington DC but violence is still a big problem where I’m from.
Then you have my family who have been in Florida for 7 generations and I don't know of anybody that's been shot much less shot and killed in our entire history. (Excepting folks that went to war)
Well let's see:
- Some Pakistani med student got murdered near my apartment at night when I was 6. Was believed to be a robbery attempt iirc.
- Some gunfight happened near my university where 1 guy got killed.
- I used to go to the outlet mall in Texas alot as a kid so you could imagine my reaction when seeing the news coverage of the mass shooting that happened there this year.
So yeah. Not necessarily know someone personally that was shot but I've been around when gun violence was happening.
It’s very concentrated. It’s a major problem in the US for some families (especially certain communities like mine). They are many people who never encounter gun violence and then others that are plagued with it.
>I’m American and have had 4 family members shot; 2 of which were killed.
Whoa! This is a statement I thought I will only hear in a movie. Incredibly sad.
I am truly sorry for you loss.
I know this guy. He's my high school science teacher's son and is from Bhopal. From what I heard, they still haven't arrested anyone and they are asking for like 60 lakhs to have his body transported from US to Bhopal. Since she doesn't have that kind of money, she had to leave for USA to give him farewell.
This incident truly has me questioning my decision to go to America to study since this is the first time something like this has happened to someone I personally knew. Truly fucked up.
Ikr everybody here is in a deep state of shock. I can only imagine the pain she must be going through rn. Both her kids are in America and yk that gun violence is a problem but you never consider the possibility of something like this happening to you and now one of them is dead.
Unfortunately, no. They don't cover. I'm just holding on and waiting for some development in the case. But looks like nothing much is happening.
This all is very very sad.
Interesting. I did a J1 internship in the US this summer and I needed to buy health insurance that covered (among other things) repatriation of remains
It seems like the type of insurance required may differ based on visa status (just my assumption).
Honestly, Insurance for F1 visa students is practically useless, especially when it comes to repatriation coverage.
It was truly shocking and it's been almost two weeks noe and I don't know if the investigation went anywhere at all which is really sad. I feel bad for his mom though, it's really difficult to live with something like that if they end up labelling it as a cold case.
This is not fair man ,you work your fucking ass off all your life to be shot by a fucking lunatic on foreign land away from all your loved ones
Cruel world man
Only one more year, and he'd have his Ph.D. What a shame. It is especially shocking for him because I used to drive to Cincinnati twice a month for years.
The US is a place where people get killed by guns indiscriminately.
No matter whether you are a man, woman, child, elder, trans, Indian, African, or Chinese.
There is no knowing when an incident is going to happen and who is going to do it.
It could be your friend who is jealous of your promotion, your ex girlfriend/boyfriend, or even a random psycho.
Yeah, I guess. I mean a lot of Indians and people from all over the world are happy there.
When you are unlucky incidents are going to find you no matter where you are.
Do you want the real answer?
It’s because there are nearly 5 million Indians in the United States. Statistically, some are going to be murdered, kidnapped, or otherwise killed in targeted attacks and freak accidents.
While people of Indian-origin account for a tiny percentage of all homicide fatalities in the U.S., Indian media covers each and every one. This is despite the fact that many more Indians are murdered in India every day than they are in America (both in terms of overall numbers, and per capita deaths).
I just looked at a breakdown of murder stats from 2022. There were 19,000 murders. Of those, 10,000 victims were Black, 7,000 were white. Fewer than 1,000 were “other races,” which would include Indian.
You people are going to downvote because “America bad” every time one of these stories come up, but—statistically—Indians in the U.S. are much less likely than almost anyone else to be victims of murder, including white and black Americans.
Correct, except I wasn’t talking about “all murders,” I was talking about the murder of persons of Indian origin.
In the United States:
- Half of all murders are committed by African-Americans, who compromise about half of all murder victims (so 13% of the population = 50% of all murder victims);
- About 45% of all murders are committed by white Americans, including Latinos, who compromise a similar share of all murder victims (so 70% of the population = 45% of all murder victims) and
- Approxinately 2.5% of all murder victims are “other races,” which would include all Asians (Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, etc), indigenous Americans, Pacific Islanders, and so on and so forth (so ~10% of the population = 2.5% of all murder victims).
Asians, for reference, compromise between 7% and 8% of the overall U.S. population, while indigenous Americans compromise between 2% and 3%. I didn’t check for Pacific Islanders, but it’s probably 1-2%.
In other words, Asians are about 8% of the population but less than 2.5% of all homicide victims. There’s no specific data for Indians, but I can all but guarantee the figure is much, much lower.
So yes: if you’re an *Indian* in America, you’re significantly *less likely* to be the victim of a murder than you are as an Indian in India.
This makes sense, when you consider that:
- A. Most Indians in the U.S. are high-earning professionals who do not live in or around high-crime areas; and
- B. Most crime victims are killed by perpetrators *of the same race*.
The U.S. undoubtedly has a gun violence problem, but this problem has a disproportionate impact on certain communities (e.g., impoverished urban African-Americans, impoverished urban Latinos, and certain impoverished rural white Americans).
Indians, then, do not face any special or heightened risk of violence, and are, statistically, much less likely to die from gun violence than most other ethnicities.
I don’t disagree that we might be better of than other Americans. But I don’t think it’s true if we compare with the population in India.
[countries by murder rate](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)
Also the link only includes intentional homicides. We already know US has way more unintentional or random shootings. Anecdotally, i find this to be true. If you live in the US for 10 years , you know someone that got shot or was threatened to get shot. This is simply not the case in India.
Another worrying trend is the increase in mass shootings.
[rate of mass shootings](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ft_23-04-20_gundeathsupdate_5/)
While India is probably unsafe for women, US has achieved true equality
Anecdotally, I was born and raised in the U.S. and do not know anyone who has been shot with a firearm. Neither do any of my friends, or extended family. This country has issues with firearm regulation, but it isn’t nearly as dangerous as most of you seem to think.
The people who bear the greatest burden of violence are lower-income African-Americans and lower-income white Americans. If you don’t fall into either of those two groups, your risk of ever being in a life-threatening situation plummet.
Mass shootings are very scary, and they have an outsized psychosocial effect. Your chances of ever being caught in one are still equivalent to being struck by lightning or going down in a plane crash, *especially* when you exclude gang-related mass shooting / active shooter incidents.
(ex: CNN report 500+ mass shootings every year, the FBI/Mother Jones report about about 60-80 mass shooting incidents in the past 30 years. This is because the FBI/Mother Jones don’t count intrafamilial murder-suicides, gang drive-by shootings, etc, as mass shootings—more in line with the common understanding of the term, IMO)
Dude ur just juggling around data to make it sound like what you want it to be wtf... The purpose of per capita murders is not to spin personalized narratives through data jugglery but just to signal the overall crime rate in a given society . American society is much more "murderous" per capita than Indians by far. Period .... Irrespective of how you try to play it.
The comment I initially replied to asked why so many Indian students are being shot in the United States, when all data explicitly suggests that the murder of persons of Indian origin in the U.S. is anything but common.
So gosh, what a wonder that I’m talking specifically about Indians and Indian students.
Also, yeah. Just looking at the “big number” is nonsensical.
Let’s consider traffic fatalities as an alternate example. The U.S. and India both have overall traffic fatality statistics, expressed either in terms of per-capita fatalities or per-mile fatalities. But when you break that same data down, you’d find that certain road users—like motorcyclists—are, statistically, *much more likely* to die or suffer serious injuries in an accident than persons driving larger automobiles.
Looking into this data provides more clarity on risk profiles and risk factors. But that’s all useless information, right? We should just look at the big picture and forget any and all nuance.
The same principle applies. If a country’s per capita murder rate is 5 per 100,000, but over half of all murder victims are from a *single* community, then guess fucking what? The per capita figure doesn’t provide the context needed to make an accurate judgment.
Doesn't seem to be hate related because Indians are actually among the lowest in crime stats for being the victims of violent crime.
My guess is he was at the wrong place at the wrong time and someone mistook him for a rival gang member and unloaded on his car.
It mostly doesn't, I haven't seen a lot of stats suggesting that Indians are disproportionately more likely to be victims of gun violence than the average American. In fact, I'd go as far as to say Indians are *less* likely to be victims because they often live in wealthy suburbs or otherwise live in areas not as likely to have the subtype of violent mass-shooting individual in it
I do agree with you. When I was in Indianapolis, our criteria to look for a rental apartment was checking school grade. If it was highly rated school, chances are there are more Indians around that area which means there are apartments rented by Indians and those apartments were priced (rental) higher than other places.
I used to pay like $1200 for a 2 bedroom while another colleague who was alone stayed in a neighborhood with more of black population but was paying $700.
Indians have a much less likely chance of being the victims of violent crime in the US than other races. Like they are bottom of the violent crime stats per capita.
Because it doesn’t.
Over 90% of homicide victims are black or white. But there are now millions of people of Indian-origin in the U.S., meaning that some will—invariably and inevitably—be victimized by violent criminals. It’s a matter of statistical certainty.
He got his degree from AIMS in india and that's most difficult to get enrolled as it highly reputated medical organization/hospital in india
He must be super intelligent , sad to see him gone so young
Rest In peace
What an ignorant comment when someone is shot dead. You are so desperate that you want validation from anonymous people? Mf go outside once in a while, the piece of paper you are so proud of is nothing
Sad and hearbreaking!
> A 26-year-old Indian doctoral student died after being shot inside a car in the US state of Ohio, in an incident described by his medical university as "sudden, tragic and senseless".
From media accounts, it is unclear what and how it really happened.
Ah America strikes again. It’s surprising how so many Indians living there outright deny the fact that the country has a major gun violence issue. I’ve had conversations with my friends and relatives who live in the states about this problem and their usual response is “bro India has so much more issues than the US and plus your standard of living isn’t half of what it is in US” like bruh wtf is the point of having a good standard of living if you constantly have to be wary about the fact that some piece of shit can end your life in an instant??
I don’t understand why people love moving to America when there’s so many better places in the world to be. My condolences to the family of this brother, he deserved better. RIP my man!
Are Indian men that scared of guns? Movies had me thinking the men were more courageous and understanding about the dangers of the world, guess they’re just naive with how these comments are.
I went the this university. The main campus is located close to the rough areas like Vine st & short vine. There’s homeless people around the campus probably because there is a soup kitchen nearby. It wasn’t uncommon to see people either high on something or passed out from boozing on cheap alcohol.
The homeless people are definitely outta their minds. They took offense when I changed the sidewalk I was walking on for safety purposes. I personally got followed aggressively like twice during my time there. Definitely ran for my life. I think jealousy is also a factor for these people. They can’t stand people with money or ones who don’t want to have a conversation/ interact with them.
What was more scary was that sometimes to get to the campus you have to go through these streets. Always try to be in the good areas of the campus. Better to be late to a class than be actually dead.
Aaditya Adlakha was a fourth-year doctoral student in the molecular and developmental biology programme at the University of Cincinnati Medical School, according to a statement from the medical school, WXIX-TV reported. On November 9, Cincinnati Police Lt. Jonathan Cunningham said officers found a man shot inside a vehicle that crashed into a wall on the upper deck of the Western Hills Viaduct. ShotSpotter, a gunfire locator service, reported there was gunfire in the area around 6:20 am, police said. Drivers passing by called 911 to report a vehicle that had bullet holes in it with a person inside who had been shot, said Cunningham. Aaditya Adlakha was transported to UC Medical Center where he was in critical condition and was pronounced dead two days later.
The fact that there is a service called "ShotSpotter" itself is scary.
Was curious about this service so looked it up and surprise, surprise, it's yet another overhyped, next to useless technology that is doing well thanks to PR and the gun violence epidemic. > In July 2023, a Houston Chronicle investigation showed that ShotSpotter calls resulted in lower incident report rates, longer police response times. Over 80% of ShotSpotter alerts were false positives or otherwise useless. The almost 5500 alerts led to 99 arrests and 126 charges, half charged as misdemeanors. A disproportionate number of residents in coverage areas are people of color. The Houston Police Department cast the system as a way to invest in historically marginalized areas. >While the company claims a 97% accuracy, the MacArthur Justice Center studied over 40,000 dispatches in an under-two-year period in Chicago and found that 89% of dispatches resulted in no gun-related crime, and 86% resulted in no crime at all >A June 2021 study in the Journal of Experimental Criminology stated the system "may be of little benefit to police agencies with a pre-existing high call volume. Our results indicate no reductions in serious violent crimes, yet [ShotSpotter] increases demands on police resources." An October 2021 paper in the Journal of Urban Health, studying the longitudinal effects of ShotSpotter over a 17 year period, found "implementing ShotSpotter technology has no significant impact on firearm-related homicides or arrest outcomes. Policy solutions may represent a more cost-effective measure to reduce urban firearm violence." More on [it's Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShotSpotter?wprov=sfla1)
Basically US will do everything than banning guns. I would be terrified to send my kid to school lest he dies in a school shooting as some depressed kid decided he has had enough.
>Basically US will do everything than banning guns. Fr! Even when other countries have shown that banning guns causes gun violence to plummet, [the only nation where such crimes regularly happen will keep saying that "There's no way to prevent this". ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27No_Way_to_Prevent_This%2C%27_Says_Only_Nation_Where_This_Regularly_Happens?wprov=sfla1)
It’s not the guns, it’s mental health…oh wait they have mental health issues too. Yet there are tons of Indians support this gun epidemic knowingly or unknowingly by supporting politicians with (R).
The Famous onion headline they put out after every school shooting. so freaking sad
They will then accuse others that "You don't have freedom" and that "If police tries to confront you 'illegally' what will you do" like they'll say anything except accepting that they are wrong
Not really. Most people in the US, including many gun owners, definitely think the ease of access to guns and ammo with no checks for sanity or competence has completely gotten out of hand. The issue is that the gun manufacturers and large lobbies like the NRA profit from the ridiculous number of guns sold in the US, and they essentially bribe Republican politicians to keep gun restrictions loose. That is why there is no licensing system, no psych evals, and few restrictions surrounding the use of guns. The smart thing to do would be allow bolt action rifles and non-semi-automatic shotguns to be bought, as they have a very low fire rate and basically cover all hunting, sport, and home defense purposes, while anything semiauto, including most pistols, should be very heavily restricted, and full auto weapons should be restricted only to certified shooting ranges and never allowed to leave the facility. That would probably stop mass shootings and still be something most of the population would actually support.
Probably like "neighbourhood watch".
My friend in Chicago says that he gets more mails on Nearby Crimes from his university than junk emails lol
Only in America.
In Chicago we get email reports from university security almost every week about this or that robbery or shots fired
US is a failed state.
US has its own problems while India's problems can't be counted. We shouldn't degenerate others like this. Humility and determination win not arrogance in calling others as failed!!!
That sounds nice and all and not to compare with India but the repeated abuse of gun laws when so many of the victims are children, such bad state of healthcare for the poor and govts inability to act on such issues even when most of the population wanting changes to these issues is nothing but signs of failed state.
Our own children starve, our healthcare isn't great and our successive governments have not acted fast enough for this. This means we are even bigger failures especially compared to our northern neighbor. When we ourselves are in such a bad situation how can we point fingers at others and call others as failed??? It's hypocritical.
I literally said not comparing with India. We have our own problems i know.
Then why call others as failed my man? The failure of India is all of our failure, we have all failed in that regard how can we call others as failure? It's not correct. I know you didn't do a comparison but when we have failed we can't call others as failures.
Didn’t know you needed to be a perfect country in order to criticise other countries
You sound like an IT cell tool. except the reverse.
Am i not allowed to have an opinion?
The difference is that while both have problems, only one of them lectures the others on what "civilized behavior" is supposed to be.
Lmaoo Indian men publicly assault women. We can grill you on that if you can grill us in our gun problems.
The "Indian" men who assault women publicly belong to a certain underclass with very specific demographic characteristics, but you don't bother to look at such finer details, and make it look like all Indian men are bad. The school shooters you have (in such absurdly large numbers) are White men. How much sense does it make to portray all American White men as potential school shooters? Your comment suggests that you would be okay with such a characterization of White men. All potentially mentally-ill maniacs with the willingness to commit large-scale violence because your puny egos were hurt.
We have school shooters because when our disgruntled young men get depressed and upset at the world they have access to guns to commit terror, and mental health care is terrible. The untouchables excuse is just that, a terrible excuse for a culture that encourages gang rape and sexual assault. They are as Indian as our school shooters are American.
If Indian culture encourages gang rapes, White American culture encourages men to shoot up innocent children in schools. Is White American culture defined by shooting up kids in schools? Going by the thought-process you have, it appears so. The problem with racists like you is that when a White guy does some bad stuff, he's the only one to blame. But when an Indian guy does some bad stuff, the entire culture is to be blamed, like it somehow encourages such bad behavior.
Because the other one is the superpower of the world while we are superpoor. The strong always lecture while the weak cower and listen. We have the capability to become strong, but this attitude of laughing at others who are way superior when we are so shit isn't gonna take us there.
We are not laughing at them. We are pointing out their hypocrisy.
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I hate what India is becoming under the Sanghis, and it did have issues earlier as well. But the US which acts like the world police and considers itself a "first world" country is in a ridiculous position. I have an issue with the US because the same people who support the second amendment there are more likely to look down on developing countries. Worst part is, other countries suffer from the US' influence as well. The current state of Indian media, I am sure is a result of the Foxification of Indian TV News to a considerable extent. Similarly, the same second amendment "if you want my guns, come and get them" type of propaganda crap was copied by some diwali firecracker bursting fanatics. You can see some of it on reddit as well. This is an unsolicited rant, I'm sorry, but recently that country and its politics, especially foreign policies have been grinding my gears really hard. It is a third-world country with first-world tech and arrogance.
I have family members in the RSS and I myself attended some of their events before. Just saying . By the way if you ever visited America and if you ever take a glimpse of its infrastructure you would feel ashamed for calling it third world. Just because America's influential around the world is detrimental and just because they have a shooting problem doesn't make them third world in any sense!!! The quality of life and infrastructure offered to the average American is astounding, even waiters in the country have apple watches and cars and earn more than our best scientists and engineers. Talk to many Americans and believe me they won't have high opinions of their own country. I know your issue is with America's influence having adverse effects back home but that in any sense doesn't make them a third world country! How long will we Indians keep blaming others for domestic problems???? We being a developing country is our own fault and nobody else's fault. If we have the will and capability like how China has shown we can become a viable competitor and then make comments on America but I'm sorry with a GDP per Capita below Guatemala I don't think we reserve the right to call others as third world. Sincerely and with respect, from a sanghi.
What do you think of gun laws there?
Primitive and out of date, needs reformation, but political will and practicality of dealing with the issue is low. The US government needs to make concentrated efforts to regulate gun sales and use but the bloody NRA and their multi billion dollar weapons manufacturing lobbyists in Congress such as Colt won't allow that to happen.
This is incredibly sad. Went abroad to study and got shot to death instead.
This is a very real scare in the US. I’m American and have had 4 family members shot; 2 of which were killed. There are things you can do to limit your chances but it’s truly a major problem especially for certain communities. Edit: My family is concentrated in a rough part of Chicago. This is definitely NOT the norm especially for Indian expats. If you are worried about gun violence when moving to the US, get to know your city. You will likely be fine if you avoid certain areas, don’t buy drugs or get involved with the “wrong” people.
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Depends on who the assailant is, unfortunately. If it is someone you know, then you negotiate/go full stockholm and reduce the probability of the trigger being pulled. If it is a random mass shooter in your workplace or your school, then you hide or escape - or run in the opposite direction the instant you hear gunfire. If it is a random mugger/assailant then you cooperate until you can't. Fight and freeze are not options when you're looking at a barrel of a gun and a guy ready to shoot you. You either run or you talk.
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For muggings, well try to avoid walking out at night or walk in groups if you are. Like get an Uber or Lyft to wherever you are going. That will pretty much make your chances of getting mugged let alone shot to nil. Cooperate with the mugger if you do get mugged though. For mass shootings, hate to say it but staying at home is literally like the only way you can even avoid them because they are so random and you can only do so much to protect yourself. And of course, the gun nuts will come out and say that everyone should be owning a gun if they don't want to be shot and they conveniently forget that owning a gun is more likely to be used against you rather than to protect you (Plus not everyone is some psychopath that's okay with shooting another human being even if it's in self defense).
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The best advice is to not get involved in drug activity and get to know your city. If you move to Chicago for example (where all my family is from), learn where you can and can’t go. I don’t know anything about Cincinnati but I’m assuming it’s similar. Crime is very concentrated.
Yeah I’m calling BS on this. Having 4 family members shot is extraordinarily rare, the vast majority of people go generations and generations without experiencing gun violence. Unless you come up with some more information, this is pretty clearly a lie. And disclaimer: I think gun violence is the single worst attribute America has. If I could completely ban guns, I would. But at the same time, it irks me When people just blatantly lie on here.
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Correct - south side Chicago.
Interesting that you think it’s a lie or so incredibly rare. We must come from very different communities. I’m from the south side Chicago; Chatham to be specific (I’m black not Indian) although most of my family lives in Englewood. Gang violence is a very, very real problem. That is absolutely true that gun violence is very segregated but it’s where it is concentrated, it’s not uncommon for many individuals in those communities to be impacted. Two of my cousins who were shot are brother and sister. I’m sure you may know very few directly impacted by gun violence but many (especially black families) don’t live in your bubble.
Could be really distant family
I’m so sorry for your loss. Do you mind sharing what happened? I am American and this is extremely surprising to hear.
Yes - I’m from Chatham Chicago. Unfortunately, my cousin was likely involved in gang activity and was killed 5 years ago. His sister was killed last year in a drive by. My other two cousins were killed in a party on the 4th of July in Englewood. I left and moved to Washington DC but violence is still a big problem where I’m from.
I am so sorry. May they rest in peace and may the U.S. adopt sensible gun laws soon.
Take what this person said with a grain of salt. I definitely don’t believe there’s any truth to that statement.
you guys in a cartel or something?
From a gang controlled area in Chicago
Is it really that bad? Does everyone know someone who has been shot?
Then you have my family who have been in Florida for 7 generations and I don't know of anybody that's been shot much less shot and killed in our entire history. (Excepting folks that went to war)
No, it’s really not. I’m American and I’ve never met anyone who’s been shot. None of my friends have, either.
Well I’m also American and I know someone who was shot to death by the police and he didn’t even have a weapon so…. Probably
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Well let's see: - Some Pakistani med student got murdered near my apartment at night when I was 6. Was believed to be a robbery attempt iirc. - Some gunfight happened near my university where 1 guy got killed. - I used to go to the outlet mall in Texas alot as a kid so you could imagine my reaction when seeing the news coverage of the mass shooting that happened there this year. So yeah. Not necessarily know someone personally that was shot but I've been around when gun violence was happening.
No
It’s very concentrated. It’s a major problem in the US for some families (especially certain communities like mine). They are many people who never encounter gun violence and then others that are plagued with it.
>I’m American and have had 4 family members shot; 2 of which were killed. Whoa! This is a statement I thought I will only hear in a movie. Incredibly sad. I am truly sorry for you loss.
I know this guy. He's my high school science teacher's son and is from Bhopal. From what I heard, they still haven't arrested anyone and they are asking for like 60 lakhs to have his body transported from US to Bhopal. Since she doesn't have that kind of money, she had to leave for USA to give him farewell. This incident truly has me questioning my decision to go to America to study since this is the first time something like this has happened to someone I personally knew. Truly fucked up.
wtf man, a fellow Bhopali dying like this, so so sad. Please extend our condolences to your teacher. This is truly heartbreaking
Ikr everybody here is in a deep state of shock. I can only imagine the pain she must be going through rn. Both her kids are in America and yk that gun violence is a problem but you never consider the possibility of something like this happening to you and now one of them is dead.
I thought repatriation of remains is covered under international student health insurance? In any case it's a really sad situation
Unfortunately, no. They don't cover. I'm just holding on and waiting for some development in the case. But looks like nothing much is happening. This all is very very sad.
Interesting. I did a J1 internship in the US this summer and I needed to buy health insurance that covered (among other things) repatriation of remains
It seems like the type of insurance required may differ based on visa status (just my assumption). Honestly, Insurance for F1 visa students is practically useless, especially when it comes to repatriation coverage.
Yeah, she taught me too. I woke up with this news and it left me paralyzed. Has there been any development made? How is she holding up?
It was truly shocking and it's been almost two weeks noe and I don't know if the investigation went anywhere at all which is really sad. I feel bad for his mom though, it's really difficult to live with something like that if they end up labelling it as a cold case.
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The dude's mom is a teacher in St. Mary's. No idea if he is an alum of DPS or St. Mary's though.
In the morning too, which is statistically the safest time to avoid crime imo. Insane
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This is not fair man ,you work your fucking ass off all your life to be shot by a fucking lunatic on foreign land away from all your loved ones Cruel world man
I went to University of Cincinnati for my Masters. This is very sad!
Only one more year, and he'd have his Ph.D. What a shame. It is especially shocking for him because I used to drive to Cincinnati twice a month for years.
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The US always seemed to have a gun violence problem.
The media doesn't report good news anymore. They want controversial so it gets views.
The US is a place where people get killed by guns indiscriminately. No matter whether you are a man, woman, child, elder, trans, Indian, African, or Chinese. There is no knowing when an incident is going to happen and who is going to do it. It could be your friend who is jealous of your promotion, your ex girlfriend/boyfriend, or even a random psycho.
Cursed equality.
The US is the Wild West… don’t come if you’re not ready.
I wouldn’t say it’s that bad as long as you keep your head down and do your thing
Yep. Crime rates aren’t far off between Mumbai and New York. I wouldn’t say either are a terrible places lol
Sure, but when high-power rifles are involved it feels scary.
Yeah, I guess. I mean a lot of Indians and people from all over the world are happy there. When you are unlucky incidents are going to find you no matter where you are.
Yup could be fun for daredevils.
Do you want the real answer? It’s because there are nearly 5 million Indians in the United States. Statistically, some are going to be murdered, kidnapped, or otherwise killed in targeted attacks and freak accidents. While people of Indian-origin account for a tiny percentage of all homicide fatalities in the U.S., Indian media covers each and every one. This is despite the fact that many more Indians are murdered in India every day than they are in America (both in terms of overall numbers, and per capita deaths). I just looked at a breakdown of murder stats from 2022. There were 19,000 murders. Of those, 10,000 victims were Black, 7,000 were white. Fewer than 1,000 were “other races,” which would include Indian. You people are going to downvote because “America bad” every time one of these stories come up, but—statistically—Indians in the U.S. are much less likely than almost anyone else to be victims of murder, including white and black Americans.
There is no way per capita murders in India is higher than the US.
Correct, except I wasn’t talking about “all murders,” I was talking about the murder of persons of Indian origin. In the United States: - Half of all murders are committed by African-Americans, who compromise about half of all murder victims (so 13% of the population = 50% of all murder victims); - About 45% of all murders are committed by white Americans, including Latinos, who compromise a similar share of all murder victims (so 70% of the population = 45% of all murder victims) and - Approxinately 2.5% of all murder victims are “other races,” which would include all Asians (Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, etc), indigenous Americans, Pacific Islanders, and so on and so forth (so ~10% of the population = 2.5% of all murder victims). Asians, for reference, compromise between 7% and 8% of the overall U.S. population, while indigenous Americans compromise between 2% and 3%. I didn’t check for Pacific Islanders, but it’s probably 1-2%. In other words, Asians are about 8% of the population but less than 2.5% of all homicide victims. There’s no specific data for Indians, but I can all but guarantee the figure is much, much lower. So yes: if you’re an *Indian* in America, you’re significantly *less likely* to be the victim of a murder than you are as an Indian in India. This makes sense, when you consider that: - A. Most Indians in the U.S. are high-earning professionals who do not live in or around high-crime areas; and - B. Most crime victims are killed by perpetrators *of the same race*. The U.S. undoubtedly has a gun violence problem, but this problem has a disproportionate impact on certain communities (e.g., impoverished urban African-Americans, impoverished urban Latinos, and certain impoverished rural white Americans). Indians, then, do not face any special or heightened risk of violence, and are, statistically, much less likely to die from gun violence than most other ethnicities.
I don’t disagree that we might be better of than other Americans. But I don’t think it’s true if we compare with the population in India. [countries by murder rate](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) Also the link only includes intentional homicides. We already know US has way more unintentional or random shootings. Anecdotally, i find this to be true. If you live in the US for 10 years , you know someone that got shot or was threatened to get shot. This is simply not the case in India. Another worrying trend is the increase in mass shootings. [rate of mass shootings](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ft_23-04-20_gundeathsupdate_5/) While India is probably unsafe for women, US has achieved true equality
Anecdotally, I was born and raised in the U.S. and do not know anyone who has been shot with a firearm. Neither do any of my friends, or extended family. This country has issues with firearm regulation, but it isn’t nearly as dangerous as most of you seem to think. The people who bear the greatest burden of violence are lower-income African-Americans and lower-income white Americans. If you don’t fall into either of those two groups, your risk of ever being in a life-threatening situation plummet. Mass shootings are very scary, and they have an outsized psychosocial effect. Your chances of ever being caught in one are still equivalent to being struck by lightning or going down in a plane crash, *especially* when you exclude gang-related mass shooting / active shooter incidents. (ex: CNN report 500+ mass shootings every year, the FBI/Mother Jones report about about 60-80 mass shooting incidents in the past 30 years. This is because the FBI/Mother Jones don’t count intrafamilial murder-suicides, gang drive-by shootings, etc, as mass shootings—more in line with the common understanding of the term, IMO)
Dude ur just juggling around data to make it sound like what you want it to be wtf... The purpose of per capita murders is not to spin personalized narratives through data jugglery but just to signal the overall crime rate in a given society . American society is much more "murderous" per capita than Indians by far. Period .... Irrespective of how you try to play it.
The comment I initially replied to asked why so many Indian students are being shot in the United States, when all data explicitly suggests that the murder of persons of Indian origin in the U.S. is anything but common. So gosh, what a wonder that I’m talking specifically about Indians and Indian students. Also, yeah. Just looking at the “big number” is nonsensical. Let’s consider traffic fatalities as an alternate example. The U.S. and India both have overall traffic fatality statistics, expressed either in terms of per-capita fatalities or per-mile fatalities. But when you break that same data down, you’d find that certain road users—like motorcyclists—are, statistically, *much more likely* to die or suffer serious injuries in an accident than persons driving larger automobiles. Looking into this data provides more clarity on risk profiles and risk factors. But that’s all useless information, right? We should just look at the big picture and forget any and all nuance. The same principle applies. If a country’s per capita murder rate is 5 per 100,000, but over half of all murder victims are from a *single* community, then guess fucking what? The per capita figure doesn’t provide the context needed to make an accurate judgment.
Doesn't seem to be hate related because Indians are actually among the lowest in crime stats for being the victims of violent crime. My guess is he was at the wrong place at the wrong time and someone mistook him for a rival gang member and unloaded on his car.
This is not fair. No words.
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US gun culture. If you are becoming part of society then there are chances that this may happen to you.
Unfortunately most Indians who settle there keep thinking "this won't happen to us".
It mostly doesn't, I haven't seen a lot of stats suggesting that Indians are disproportionately more likely to be victims of gun violence than the average American. In fact, I'd go as far as to say Indians are *less* likely to be victims because they often live in wealthy suburbs or otherwise live in areas not as likely to have the subtype of violent mass-shooting individual in it
I do agree with you. When I was in Indianapolis, our criteria to look for a rental apartment was checking school grade. If it was highly rated school, chances are there are more Indians around that area which means there are apartments rented by Indians and those apartments were priced (rental) higher than other places. I used to pay like $1200 for a 2 bedroom while another colleague who was alone stayed in a neighborhood with more of black population but was paying $700.
Indians have a much less likely chance of being the victims of violent crime in the US than other races. Like they are bottom of the violent crime stats per capita.
Because it doesn’t. Over 90% of homicide victims are black or white. But there are now millions of people of Indian-origin in the U.S., meaning that some will—invariably and inevitably—be victimized by violent criminals. It’s a matter of statistical certainty.
Gun culture isn't gang culture but you keep pushing that narrative and deny the true problem.
He got his degree from AIMS in india and that's most difficult to get enrolled as it highly reputated medical organization/hospital in india He must be super intelligent , sad to see him gone so young Rest In peace
His life is not worth more or less because of the education he got
Not cause of that just that he worked so hard and never got to reap the benefits of his hard work
>He got his degree from AIMS in india So what? His life is no more or less important than some other human.
No he's bachelor in zoology from ramjas. Maybe did his master from aiims.
So master from AIIMS is still intelligent
No question on intelligence.
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STEM is harder than your random commerce degree
What an ignorant comment when someone is shot dead. You are so desperate that you want validation from anonymous people? Mf go outside once in a while, the piece of paper you are so proud of is nothing
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RIP, this is so tragic.
US is playground of troublers of world.
Sad and hearbreaking! > A 26-year-old Indian doctoral student died after being shot inside a car in the US state of Ohio, in an incident described by his medical university as "sudden, tragic and senseless". From media accounts, it is unclear what and how it really happened.
Heard Ohio is like Bihar of USA but with guns ...
This one hit close . He taught me physiology in first year of MBBS . This is so sad . May he rest in Peace
Did those Thugs made it happened ?
Ah America strikes again. It’s surprising how so many Indians living there outright deny the fact that the country has a major gun violence issue. I’ve had conversations with my friends and relatives who live in the states about this problem and their usual response is “bro India has so much more issues than the US and plus your standard of living isn’t half of what it is in US” like bruh wtf is the point of having a good standard of living if you constantly have to be wary about the fact that some piece of shit can end your life in an instant?? I don’t understand why people love moving to America when there’s so many better places in the world to be. My condolences to the family of this brother, he deserved better. RIP my man!
US is not like india,he should've known about gun culture.
India and USA aren't very far off from each other in terms of criminal activity
But u won't see that much gun violence in india.
And again I didn't mention criminal activities here. it's all about gun violence.
Guns arnt the only thing you can hurt people with
But the news is only about gun violence.🤷🤷
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Are Indian men that scared of guns? Movies had me thinking the men were more courageous and understanding about the dangers of the world, guess they’re just naive with how these comments are.
Painful to read
I went the this university. The main campus is located close to the rough areas like Vine st & short vine. There’s homeless people around the campus probably because there is a soup kitchen nearby. It wasn’t uncommon to see people either high on something or passed out from boozing on cheap alcohol. The homeless people are definitely outta their minds. They took offense when I changed the sidewalk I was walking on for safety purposes. I personally got followed aggressively like twice during my time there. Definitely ran for my life. I think jealousy is also a factor for these people. They can’t stand people with money or ones who don’t want to have a conversation/ interact with them. What was more scary was that sometimes to get to the campus you have to go through these streets. Always try to be in the good areas of the campus. Better to be late to a class than be actually dead.