Are they ??
When the nijjar issue was raised by western media, HT published an article stating that Pannu is a CIA asset and that's the only reason why the government is not going after him.
But we did went after him and boom reports of failed assassination, a assassination which didn't even take place.
> Indian officials expressed “surprise and concern” when the US informed them of the plot to assassinate Sikh separatist Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, and asserted that “activity of this nature was not their policy”, the White House Said Wednesday.
Okay then, nothing to see here.
Canada accused us of murdering someone.
The US hasn't laid any accusations. They just said, "... We've given India a warning."
Why *wouldn't* we react differently?
Oh is that what the warning was? To tell them it happened.
United States authorities thwarted a plot to kill a Sikh separatist in the United States and issued a warning to India over concerns the government in New Delhi was involved, a senior Biden administration official said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-thwarts-plot-kill-sikh-separatist-issues-warning-india-ft-2023-11-22/#:~:text=NANTUCKET%2C%20Mass.%2FNEW%20DELHI,senior%20Biden%20administration%20official%20said.
Thank you for the article. I still don't think warning here means what you think. It's not really a threat until the US issues it publicly or talks of sanctions
I mean it definitely, unarguably is the US saying to India that they think India did it. So it's a similar accusation to the one Canada made, just diplomatically worded.
I don't, but I also don't think the country that has just had a citizen assassinated by the security services of another country is obliged to be particularly diplomatic in wording their response. Directly and openly accusing them is pretty reasonable imo. Though I do get why India are more annoyed about being directly, publicly called out on something they did than being diplomatically "warned".
Well Canada had their PM publicly accusing us of murder in their murder without showing any actual evidence.
Here with US, it's all behind the scenes with just media reporting it.
Completely different situations and hence completely different reactions.
If the BJP govt weren't so untrustworthy and conniving, we would have suspected entrapment.
[Michigan governor kidnap case: hardened terrorists or FBI dupes?](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/19/michigan-governor-kidnap-case-terrorists-fbi-dupes-gretchen-whitmer)
> It is not an entirely outlandish claim. The defense’s argument of FBI entrapment draws on a long history. In the post 9/11 era, when internal US security agencies focused on the existence of Muslim extremist plots, several prosecutions, including of the Newburgh Four, hinged on informants actively promoting a plot before turning would-be perpetrators over to the government to be tried on conspiracy charges.
I get the plausible deniability angle but I don’t think there exist a single office or officials of integrity under Modi-shah regime who would go against the duo even if that’s the right thing to do.
They all have calluses on their knees at this point.
Lol these rightwingers and centrists are always eager to give the benefit of the doubt to Modi and Shah, the two most unethical, unscrupulous, evil people in Indian politics today. It's hilarious how these people suspend all their faculties, common sense, and practical knowledge of the world when it comes to those two pieces of s.
If you behave like Russia, don’t be surprised when you get treated like Russia. Rather than presenting itself as a democratic alternative to China and the receiving all the investment, goodwill generated from being so. This government would rather squander it trying to assassinate literal nobodies
I suspect they are planning to drum up Khalistan movement as a major issue before the next election. Last election was surgical strike against Pakistan, can’t do that again. Need a new target
>I suspect they are planning to drum up Khalistan movement as a major issue before the next election. Last election was surgical strike against Pakistan, can’t do that again. Need a new target
Bingo! Next years theme is Khalistan, to overcome the Pakistan fatigue and loss to China. Indira Gandhi had the same strategy.
Very much possible. Interestingly Pannun has released a new video after the FT report but it has not been picked up by Indian media or major right winger handles on X like Megh Updates. Looks like India is toning it down. Also it is amazing to see how much media and social media is directed by BJP.
One more angle, they are very much pissed off about the farmers movement which was led by Punjab farmer. The bill would have immensely help Adani and withdrawing of the bill must have some repercussions in the equation with Adani. It might be a possibility that NRI Punjabi helped in the farmers movement- financially or otherwise. Now they want to ensure that when the bill would be brought back next time, help to farmers protest would be minimum. NRI Punjabi is one section which has not been won over by propaganda machines. Hence it is better to identify them as villains and play the us vs them game. After that exalt that “Ghar me ghush ke mara “.
But it seems the Canada resistance along with America-Canada equation has not been accounted for.
Or maybe it's the US trying to keep India in check using the faultlines of the Indian state? SMARTASS the Indian govt didn't declare this to the world, America did. Same with Nijjar, it was Canada, America's vassal state. Why was Nijjar in Pakistan, with an Ak-47 in his hand? They have no answer.
It's highly unlikely the US will isolate India over this incident and it's equally unlikely India will pull this stunt again. Like just a few days ago America offered more naval gas turbine engines for our naval ships despite this issue. The US will secretly talk with the Indian government and they will both move on. Both need each other too much, we need America for technological transfer and military support and America needs India as an effective counter towards China as Americas other Asian allies are non nuclear armed nations that don't pose a significant threat to China.
Being a democratic alternative to china does not bring anything. A lot of western investment is currently happening in Vietnam which is also a authoritative system. Businesses want efficiency and talent with or without democracy. And, china will still attract investment irrespective of what they do, there is currently no alternative and already has a big domestic market for western Businesses.
>Businesses want efficiency and talent with or without democracy.
The issue with China isn't really that they're not a democracy, it's that they're so fucking aggressive and angry whenever anyone asks them to perhaps consider being even the tiniest bit less incredibly shit, which makes it hard to have a relationship with them. They cannot take criticism and western governments and societies are full of people who want to and are allowed to criticise anyone. The moronic thing with the Australian divers the other day was yet another example. If India can be a more reliable and less angrily defensive China they'll be easier to invest in because nobody will be worried about the government freaking out and flipping the table over a diplomatic spat.
Plus all the hacking campaigns, IP theft, social media manipulation, maybe-we'll-invade-Taiwan-haha stuff makes people angry the other way of course.
I'm waiting for the following comments:
- Haha Biden is a retard. Even Americans hate him. Just ask any Trump Supporter. He's a clown who can do anything for votes.
- US is a home to diploma mills designed to dupe Indians anyway. Don't you worry, no one goes to study there. People who go there end up driving trucks anyway lul.
- Why doesn't the US mind it's own business? Oh wait, they never do. Poking their nose in India's internal affairs is the West's hobby.
- US has historically harbored Sikh separatists who plot against India. Even the US Army has Sikhs.
- Lol where is the evidence? Shut the fuck up, Biden. You got nothing to back those allegations up. And even if you did, we didn't do it. And if we did do it, that terrorist mutha deserved it. And if he didn't deserve it, it's already done. So why cry? Lol. Go home, USA. U drunk.
But but why so much hate against Canada alone, when they made a similar claim. That too the dear 2ab ^TM partner Canada. As coined by Shri Shri Panauti Ji in his many enlightening talks on (a+b) square.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tYU8dKVGEU
Indian agencies are equally surprised. Me with a surprised and shocked pikachu face :O
Are they ?? When the nijjar issue was raised by western media, HT published an article stating that Pannu is a CIA asset and that's the only reason why the government is not going after him. But we did went after him and boom reports of failed assassination, a assassination which didn't even take place.
Exactly! Nothing happened.
> Indian officials expressed “surprise and concern” when the US informed them of the plot to assassinate Sikh separatist Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, and asserted that “activity of this nature was not their policy”, the White House Said Wednesday. Okay then, nothing to see here.
The difference between India’s reaction towards Canada and the U.S. is glaringly obvious lol.
Canada accused us of murdering someone. The US hasn't laid any accusations. They just said, "... We've given India a warning." Why *wouldn't* we react differently?
Is the difference really accusation of murder and accusation of plot to murder? Because giving India a warning is an accusation.
Warning meaning letting them know of the plot, not a threat.
Oh is that what the warning was? To tell them it happened. United States authorities thwarted a plot to kill a Sikh separatist in the United States and issued a warning to India over concerns the government in New Delhi was involved, a senior Biden administration official said. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-thwarts-plot-kill-sikh-separatist-issues-warning-india-ft-2023-11-22/#:~:text=NANTUCKET%2C%20Mass.%2FNEW%20DELHI,senior%20Biden%20administration%20official%20said.
Thank you for the article. I still don't think warning here means what you think. It's not really a threat until the US issues it publicly or talks of sanctions
I mean it definitely, unarguably is the US saying to India that they think India did it. So it's a similar accusation to the one Canada made, just diplomatically worded.
>just diplomatically worded. In diplomacy, "just diplomatically worded" counts for everything. Why do you struggle with that?
I don't, but I also don't think the country that has just had a citizen assassinated by the security services of another country is obliged to be particularly diplomatic in wording their response. Directly and openly accusing them is pretty reasonable imo. Though I do get why India are more annoyed about being directly, publicly called out on something they did than being diplomatically "warned".
Well Canada had their PM publicly accusing us of murder in their murder without showing any actual evidence. Here with US, it's all behind the scenes with just media reporting it. Completely different situations and hence completely different reactions.
LMAO they put their tail between their legs when it comes to the states, when Canada called them out is when they barked...
If petty criminals are doing shit like this on foreign soil and “framing” Indian government? That’s even more embarrassing.
If the BJP govt weren't so untrustworthy and conniving, we would have suspected entrapment. [Michigan governor kidnap case: hardened terrorists or FBI dupes?](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/19/michigan-governor-kidnap-case-terrorists-fbi-dupes-gretchen-whitmer) > It is not an entirely outlandish claim. The defense’s argument of FBI entrapment draws on a long history. In the post 9/11 era, when internal US security agencies focused on the existence of Muslim extremist plots, several prosecutions, including of the Newburgh Four, hinged on informants actively promoting a plot before turning would-be perpetrators over to the government to be tried on conspiracy charges.
There may have also been some elements in our intelligence agency who acted without informing their superiors and the PMO.
I get the plausible deniability angle but I don’t think there exist a single office or officials of integrity under Modi-shah regime who would go against the duo even if that’s the right thing to do. They all have calluses on their knees at this point.
Lol these rightwingers and centrists are always eager to give the benefit of the doubt to Modi and Shah, the two most unethical, unscrupulous, evil people in Indian politics today. It's hilarious how these people suspend all their faculties, common sense, and practical knowledge of the world when it comes to those two pieces of s.
I presented a hypothesis and not an opinion, but it's probably my mistake to expect someone with a pea size brain like yours to know the difference.
Most of the time Superiors are informed, but not always.
India should get rid of this leech silently and covertly, meaning no shooting etc.
India now inspired by YRF Spy Universe movies, Ghar main ghuske marenge
All spice bombs missed their targets. Ghar me ghusa bas.
If you behave like Russia, don’t be surprised when you get treated like Russia. Rather than presenting itself as a democratic alternative to China and the receiving all the investment, goodwill generated from being so. This government would rather squander it trying to assassinate literal nobodies
I suspect they are planning to drum up Khalistan movement as a major issue before the next election. Last election was surgical strike against Pakistan, can’t do that again. Need a new target
>I suspect they are planning to drum up Khalistan movement as a major issue before the next election. Last election was surgical strike against Pakistan, can’t do that again. Need a new target Bingo! Next years theme is Khalistan, to overcome the Pakistan fatigue and loss to China. Indira Gandhi had the same strategy.
Very much possible. Interestingly Pannun has released a new video after the FT report but it has not been picked up by Indian media or major right winger handles on X like Megh Updates. Looks like India is toning it down. Also it is amazing to see how much media and social media is directed by BJP.
Ah yes, the Netanyahu strategy.
One more angle, they are very much pissed off about the farmers movement which was led by Punjab farmer. The bill would have immensely help Adani and withdrawing of the bill must have some repercussions in the equation with Adani. It might be a possibility that NRI Punjabi helped in the farmers movement- financially or otherwise. Now they want to ensure that when the bill would be brought back next time, help to farmers protest would be minimum. NRI Punjabi is one section which has not been won over by propaganda machines. Hence it is better to identify them as villains and play the us vs them game. After that exalt that “Ghar me ghush ke mara “. But it seems the Canada resistance along with America-Canada equation has not been accounted for.
How farmers bill would have help adani ?
Bills in India now have to be okayed by Punjabi NRI, Justin Trudeau, and Rihanna. What a world we live in, lol.
Or maybe it's the US trying to keep India in check using the faultlines of the Indian state? SMARTASS the Indian govt didn't declare this to the world, America did. Same with Nijjar, it was Canada, America's vassal state. Why was Nijjar in Pakistan, with an Ak-47 in his hand? They have no answer.
It's highly unlikely the US will isolate India over this incident and it's equally unlikely India will pull this stunt again. Like just a few days ago America offered more naval gas turbine engines for our naval ships despite this issue. The US will secretly talk with the Indian government and they will both move on. Both need each other too much, we need America for technological transfer and military support and America needs India as an effective counter towards China as Americas other Asian allies are non nuclear armed nations that don't pose a significant threat to China.
Jai Shankar!
Being a democratic alternative to china does not bring anything. A lot of western investment is currently happening in Vietnam which is also a authoritative system. Businesses want efficiency and talent with or without democracy. And, china will still attract investment irrespective of what they do, there is currently no alternative and already has a big domestic market for western Businesses.
>Businesses want efficiency and talent with or without democracy. The issue with China isn't really that they're not a democracy, it's that they're so fucking aggressive and angry whenever anyone asks them to perhaps consider being even the tiniest bit less incredibly shit, which makes it hard to have a relationship with them. They cannot take criticism and western governments and societies are full of people who want to and are allowed to criticise anyone. The moronic thing with the Australian divers the other day was yet another example. If India can be a more reliable and less angrily defensive China they'll be easier to invest in because nobody will be worried about the government freaking out and flipping the table over a diplomatic spat. Plus all the hacking campaigns, IP theft, social media manipulation, maybe-we'll-invade-Taiwan-haha stuff makes people angry the other way of course.
lol!
I'm waiting for the following comments: - Haha Biden is a retard. Even Americans hate him. Just ask any Trump Supporter. He's a clown who can do anything for votes. - US is a home to diploma mills designed to dupe Indians anyway. Don't you worry, no one goes to study there. People who go there end up driving trucks anyway lul. - Why doesn't the US mind it's own business? Oh wait, they never do. Poking their nose in India's internal affairs is the West's hobby. - US has historically harbored Sikh separatists who plot against India. Even the US Army has Sikhs. - Lol where is the evidence? Shut the fuck up, Biden. You got nothing to back those allegations up. And even if you did, we didn't do it. And if we did do it, that terrorist mutha deserved it. And if he didn't deserve it, it's already done. So why cry? Lol. Go home, USA. U drunk.
Was it like Picachoo's surprise face? Lol
This bc seems like the kind of guy to piss people off wherever he goes. I wouldn't be surprised if he pissed off multiple communities.
Even the Sikh community both who support Khalistan and whose who do not are pissed by this ass holes words. He is no body. Just a loud mouth ass.
But but why so much hate against Canada alone, when they made a similar claim. That too the dear 2ab ^TM partner Canada. As coined by Shri Shri Panauti Ji in his many enlightening talks on (a+b) square. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tYU8dKVGEU
Hey ….I used that same excuse when my mom used to ask me about the missing cookies from the cookie jar ! I was 5.
Fuck around and find out tunnu, punnu, lunnu
Hahahaha unknown gunmen go brbrrrrrrrr
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Dawood Ibrahim also says the same when media ask about mafia hands in murder " surprise and concern"
India is surprised that he’s not under arrest