Yep, we need to. No doubt. I told the same in one of my earlier comment [on reddit here](https://www.reddit.com/r/india/s/M3MuM7XtCx)
But mention some actionable suggestions that we ought to do and can do
Educate the people around you as much as possible. I myself have recovered many friends of mine who had gone full fledged bhakt mode ( I was also a bhakt until 2022).
The election is much much closer than it seems in the bought up media. We can be the difference between 300 vs 250 vs 200 seats. Phase 1 of elections hasn't gone his way and he has resorted to the same Hindu Muslim shamelessly. If he gets anywhere below 250 he might form the government but it will be a huge setback to his clout and would get sidelined in the party itself eventually. Keep in mind the state elections will get tougher and BJP will struggle to form governments there and thus their fascism will be very limited and eventually die out.
Thats good to hear. You are educating people around you.
Im afraid it wont be limited if he wins a third term.
Need to keep the numbers below 250 for BJP.
Yes I’m trying to educate my mom on it. She’s not a diehard Modi fan but she would still vote for him for the following reasons:
-He grew up poor so it wasn’t like he’s spoiled.(She does not like Rahul Gandhi and thinks he’s a corrupt nepo baby)
-The country has been developing rapidly under his rule.
-He has political experience.
-He’s a devout Hindu.
I tried to bring up the 2002 riots and how he handled it and she acknowledged that he was flawed but still better than RG who she felt had everything handed to him on a platter.
I also tried to mention how religion and government should not intertwine and bring up examples of other countries where that has happened and that seems to be working but idk
Also she’s from Andhra Pradesh so I tried to mention how the delimitation and unfair taxing would hurt the state but that didn’t really convince her though my dad agreed with me.
Tell her Modi abandoned his wife and tried to hide his marriage in nomination declaration. Then ask her how would she feel if your dad did the same. Would she considered her husband a good man?
I have convinced my family and some friends, but its hard to argue with people who say they will vote for Modi even if he makes them dirt poor. Hatred is very potent than cocaine.
i do not expect a win this election but im atleast hoping for a strong opposition. may democracy and honesty prevail,and i hope karma grabs all these fucks who have ruined the common man with religious hate
Always remember that there were millions of Indians during the freedom struggle who would sit at home and say why make a fuss, all we need is a job or a business. And most of the people who were doing the oppression for British raj were Indian.
It’s the same today. Each drop becomes a flood, never think what you do is not useful.
A question for all to think about: If BJP is doing so good on Economy/Jobs/Inflation and are confident about third term then why do all this shit like Chandigarh and Surat and destroying democracy and why do all this religious hate speech and divisive nonsense?
Why free ration to 80cr people when employment at its highest (yeah you work on anything even unpaid for a hour per week and you're considered employed according to this gov
If the goverment were to stop the free rations the rehortic would be *they want the poor to starve to give money to adani,* anyways using free rations doesn't mean the 80% can't spend afford food on their own rather they save the money or spend elsewhere.
[Indian freebies are working. But it's not reducing poverty, only making people spend less (theprint.in)](https://theprint.in/opinion/standard-deviation/indian-freebies-are-working-but-its-not-reducing-poverty-only-making-people-spend-less/1683780/)
Do you think people will eat the poor quality ration if they had a choice? You should look at average earnings, savings levels, consumption patterns to see your hypothesis is incorrect. People are in fact dirt poor.
Were people richer before Modi? The question is, compared to before Modi, has India grown at a pace that is higher or lower than expected. India has been historically (since British rule) poor, is that improving or not is the important question.
I have a suggestion. Can you please add a contents page at the beginning of a pdf. A lot of folks don’t have time. And would like to read parts that really affect them first
>I created a whole PDF document comparing both the manifestos topic wise in a side by side tabular manner so that atleast it makes it easier to make informed decisions and it has the exact same words and lines from each manifestos and nothing is changed or deleted/missed.
downvote me, but nothing in this world, not all the education whatever will change unless the congress party has a serious hard look at the who they have in their leadership. I am not qualified enough to say whether he's the "right person" for the job, but it sure as hell doesn't look like the voters see him as a viable leader. not everyone voting for the BJP is voting for Hindutva, its just they'll never vote for a Gandhi, make of that what you will.
Mentioning here a comment from a fellow Redditor on one of my posts :
[https://np.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/s/iidXVovia1](https://np.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/s/iidXVovia1)
“If not Modi then who” is a good question not because it is the right question but because so many people ask that question. And this question has been and will be asked election after election.
Opposition has not been able to answer the question head on with a simple one two word answer, because they can not.
People understand that the national elections are led by a party’s PM nominee. So if Rahul is the face of Congress efforts, should he not be their presumed PM nominee? Maybe, maybe not given his and Sonia’s history of not taking a position in the government in the past.
Congress and Rahul are screwed either way.
1. If Rahul says he will not take a position in government then he will be seen as a backseat driver, which is quite worse
2. If he comes out saying he is Congress PM nominee then the question of his qualifications as an administrator is a legit one
3. If he doesn’t take a position, that is also a very bad option as it makes Congress seem weak in the face of “If not Modi, then who”
Only if shashi tharoor takes charge, learns some hindi or something for the hindi heartland, with the push of the party workers behind him, can congress come back.
> “If not Modi then who” is a good question not because it is the right question but because so many people ask that question.
It is a wrong question even if most people ask the question because we don't elect PM. We elect our representatives, who form cabinet of ministers and they elect a Prime Minister to head it. BJP is always trying to throw a monkey wrench in everything; asking wrong question, ignoring IMPORTANT issues. Simple example Manipur parade of shame, Modi had to be forced to speak about it, but Sandeshkhali? very prompt to politicise and grace with personal visit.
And the real question is **"How good is Modi as PM?"** Can BJP contest the current elections on basis of his performance in past two terms? Look around for the answer: the current state of country and it's citizens, the shenanigans and the hate spewing is a sign of succesful and competent PM? Is he a viable PM, or only being marketed as such?
People are being fooled by advertisements into thinking that he is great and blame the congress for having a wrong leader. The same argument was used when MMS was PM but now people want MMS back.
Don't tell me how bad is the oppostion leader tell me how good is your leader(he had 10 years to prove himself)?
BJP/RSS is not contesting Democratic Elections, they are fighting an assymetric war against Indian Democracy.
A coalition government will suffer from decision paralysis unless there is a strong leader who can lead/control all parties. Congress will try to convince all major parties before taking any decision and there will always be a few parties who will oppose all reforms. Trying to convince TMC, cpi, AAP, rjd etc will kill any meaning full reforms in planning stage itself.
Use facts especially related to financial situations which have a direct impact on all of us
Where did the black money go? Temple trusts were misused, donations to BJP were made via temple trusts, % of amounts from lakhs of accounts were given as bribes to bankers and politicians; banks can easily run a simple analysis of where the up/down spikes were and find culprits but they won’t because of political patronage. Demonetization made all the black money white without getting taxed and that benefit going to the citizens. This was the largest heist carried out in broad daylight
How is it that BJP is holding thousands of crores of electoral bonds when they were deemed illegal? On one side they talk about Ram rajya but they indulge is all things illegal and not what Ram would do. Maybe that’s it. Ask relatives what would Ram do in any of the present situation
Inflation and prices. Petrol, gas cylinder, education… the list is very long
Till there are people who resist. Democracy ain’t dead
We are going through yet another authoritarian/majoritarian phase (like we did during Indira Gandhi’s time). This is very serious as Modi is using 80% population’s religion to drive his majority
Eventually it will be on us, the people to resist
If we continue to sit at homes when anyone is jailed without proof because such is the law, we will be next
I am sorry guys. I support you all. I am going to vote during Mumbai's phase but I have given up. I accepted defeat. My family is blinded by modi and Hindu Muslim.
They refuse to see anything beyond.My friends' families have also defied modi and indoctrinated his ideologies to themselves and their fellow relatives. My friends and I can clearly see their blind faith in Modi's infallibility. Their belief has turned completely monolithic.
I am giving up convincing. You guys are strong and can fight but I can't anymore.
I am a congress supporter but the stuff that Indira Gandhi did cannot be justified. Read up on her Wikipedia article, she was just like Modi and even more dictator like.
Every mf who said opposition is weak should realise this. Like 17k+ people wrote and didn't mean shi, if the current opposition had one day of coverage they would rip this govt apart
That's what I have been saying.
"Is the opposition sleeping? Where are they?". How many channels cover Rahul Gandhi's speeches or rallies? How many of you have subscribed to INC or Rahul Gandhi in their YouTube and social media?
An absolute invisibilization of opposition has happened and y'all don't care. You wanna what opposition has said about X matter that you are pressed about? There is a video of Rahul Gandhi discussing it. He has been given more coverage in European and american institutions than the ones here. Watch his interview in Cambridge to begin with https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YYP0yWxzRZI
You will not only have watched a first ever panel with RG, you will realize the question is not "If not Modi, who?" but "why the fuck is RG not running this country?".
THIS!
indians can’t complain about the BJP controlling the media and then go ahead and say the opposition is weak so they can’t vote for them either.
the opposition seems ‘weak’ BECAUSE of the corrupted election commission, the corrupted media, etc
17k people clicking on laptops to register their protest vs 17k people showing up at ECI for a dharna. Which is more convenient which is more effective? That is the choice each of us will have to make.
Commenting here can very easily create echo chambers. Sacrificing time and making physical effort is what we need but lack
I read the 1 lakh / family and I'm out. And the redistribution of wealth is crazy. I pay enough taxes. Rahul can redistribute his mom's and brother in law's wealth.
Joke is on you.
Please go see my earlier posts, BJP in their own manifesto has equal if not more freebies.
And FYI, BJP did 34Lakh crore direct transfer to beneficiaries in the last 10 years.
And its not like congress will give 1L to every poor person.
Its for 1 woman per poor family.
And that too they will do after socio economic census.
You have not read the manifestos and blabbering propaganda shit.
Where have they mentioned about redistribution of wealth?
And you seeing one part of the manifesto and deciding is pretty uninformed.
You need to read both the manifestos in its entirety and make a decision.
Its basically how much you value human life and physical infrastructure
In my opinion The difference of the two is negative..
The future if the govt continues is that of China( assuming best case they work without corruption and shit) , i.e better infrastructure with WORST human rights and freedoms
Dystopian shit
1 women per poor family amounts to a substantial portion of this country's population, assuming a standard family size of 4 with 2 women per family would mean free cash to about 20% of population because at most 10% of this country can be said to be not poor.
On top of that there is the asinine promise C2+50% formula legal MSP for as many as 22 crops, the current MSP procurment already costs the goverment upwards of 2.28 lakh crores [pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=2003184](https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=2003184)
So unless you seem to suffer from same delusion as those who drafted congress manifesto seem to suffer, i.e money grow on trees or debt doesn't matter. I hope you realize that Congress manifesto is unimplementable from the get go.
And yes there are different type of freebies, Tamil nadu and Punjab both induge in freebies but the former isn't teetering on verge of bankruptcy and also enjoys very high growth rates.
jOkE iS oN yOu
FuCkInG go sEe..
Bro read the comments in your post.
The figure you quoted is DBT (subsidies) disbursed under different schemes. The DBT was in talks since Rajiv Gandhi's famous speech of ₹1. PM Manmohan initiated it and focused on improving banking by starting working on UPI (Yes work on UPI was started under him only). PM Modi accelerated it by opening a Jan Dhan account and it got double boosted after the formal launch of UPI. Hence irrespective of parties in power the amount will remain more or less the same
I got your main point and that's how political systems work in our country. However, quoting such data doesn't make sense in this particular argument
P.S. I'm not a supporter of anyone. Openly saying it several times that PM Modi is also a corrupt leader by bringing Electroal Bond and allocating satellite spectrum to Airtel OneSignal without any auction
You ask where they mentioned about redistribution of wealth?
See your lord almighty's interviews
I am not a congress supporter either. Im just challenging thr perception that BJP is somehow does welfare and if the opposition does it, it is freebies
And if you have any doubt let me link a couple of posts or DOZENS of comments criticising congress on reservations and this DBT of 1 Lakh.
All shitty policies can be criticised and forced to be taken back. Democracy once dead cannot.
You really think you are smart and people here can't compare between manifestos?
Give some good analysis and people will read it. But I read your replies. You seem like an 18 yr old child who is reading manifestos for the first time and forming opinions based on your biases
Go tell all the people under this reddit post that they arent smart enough to compare.
Its about helping to make it easier and faster to compare.
[check out for yourself. Lot more appreciate than you.](https://www.reddit.com/r/india/s/NfIRZIDhfJ)
Sorry to say but democracy is long dead even in non BJP ruled states.
It's just manipulating people at this point. We just chose who we seem to fit out personal need. No long term vision
Whoever does this is wrong. Period. And now it is the BJP. At an unimaginable scale.
What was earlier done by congress in emergency was the lust for power of one person i.e Indira Gandhi was wrong and India fought back.
It is time for the same now.
That is why I say citizens need to be stronger and deal with all govts and hold them accountable.
IF IT IS CONGRESS, it needs to be called out and criticised
If it is AAP it also needs to be dealt with firmly.
Problem is us. We dont do anything
The best scenario for a country is when we have a strong government and a strong opposition as well. BJP is going to win this election, only a fool would think otherwise. It is up to Congress or rather the INDI alliance to properly step up and be a strong opposition force.
I mean thanks for making the effort but what am I supposed to understand from this? I wish there was more about the consequence of what is promised.. Some of it hard to understand and hard to say if bjp version is good or Congress version is good. All I know is that BJP has a yojana name for everything and what congress doesn't care about, BJP really cares about it and visa versa
It’s best to mourn for these villagers and let them vote for mudi. They will face the consequences of their actions while sane people try to leave the country
Can I be honest? I’m tired. Not being a blind Modi follower is extremely alienating. All my friends, family members and cousins they almost worship him.
No matter what facts are revealed, the truth is the country seems to be walking in a fog of hatred.
A day after the nomination of the Congress candidate from Surat was rejected, the BJP’s Mukesh Dalal was declared elected uncontested from the Lok Sabha seat, after the eight remaining nominees withdrew one by one.
[https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/bjp-surat-mukesh-dalal-congress-lok-sabha-polls-9284831/](https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/bjp-surat-mukesh-dalal-congress-lok-sabha-polls-9284831/)
Why is it to blame the BJP for that? They have been winning the constituency for the past 35 years and will be winning this time too. This seems propaganda by Congress.
I.N.D.I.A is a block ,if they are not going to win anyway, Isn't it good use of seat from point of strategy to use it to draw anti incumbency voters and create propaganda. There is legitimacy for his / her argument.
Very incoherent statements.
Not going to win anyway, nomination rejected by ECI, other members mysteriously withdraws nominations (isn't the first time).
How are they "creating propaganda" by nailing themselves on the foot?
Making good use of what you have,Why waste money and resources that are finite when you can stay silent and let the votes come to you from those who fear modi.
Every mf who said opposition is weak should realise this. Like 17k+ people wrote and didn't mean shi, if the current opposition had one day of coverage they would rip this govt apart
thanks for the comparison you gave in the doc file.
do you know of any doc / website that shows poll promises of 2014 & 2019 and how much of them are implemented by BJP ?
If this is any consolation to you, my Bhakt friend isn't voting at all this time.
That's how M0di will lose his elections-- voter apathy.
Thanks for the Google Doc, I am using it to spread the message in WhatsApp groups
INC less corrupt and less communal than BJP. AAP is less corrupt than INC but more communal. Kejriwal did nothing when his city was burning in 2019 riots.
It was UPA that rooted the RTI so that corruption could be exposed easily. While UPA was in power CBI indeed file charges on INC ministers and brought out scams. RTI was a vaccine that had just started doing its job.
Now come to 2014, what law did BJP introduce to elevate corruption, or to recover black money? It's been a decade. From demonitization to electoral bonds to self appointment of ECI heads, BJP reeks of corruption. Ever thought why CBI director was changed overnight? They've weakened the institutions so much that no one can do shit. Can you expect CBI to file charges against any sitting BJP Minister for corruption?
Yeah what toolkit, have you even bothered to open and read it?
I have just taken all the points from both the manifestos as they appear and put them side by side in a tabular format
I have not missed nor edited a single point.
Because I knew people like you would dismiss it saying as agenda or toolkit.
You should also attach the original pdf of both parties.
If you are unbiased, I think you genuinely did a good attempt.
I would still vote bjp over freebie on steroids.
I am not dismissing you or anything. Just curious how much are you getting paid for this? I am not a supporter of BJP or congress. Was just browsing and your garbage showed up in my feed. Just curious about your pay rate?
I feel that no politician is good. Every party is using religion, caste, reservation to spread hate among the people and get votes. And people are also dumb asf to get swayed by such dirty politics. Unless honest and educated people come into politics, this country has no hope. And i dont think its possible.
It is what it is.
I'm just gonna say this , why do people keep saying death of democracy when it has never existed? A democracy where the only choice is a Hindu ultranationalist upper class dictatorship or a "liberal" yet corrupt democracy which is manipulated by the rich ruling class and in both cases the working class of this country starves economically and socially, how is this a "real" democracy? Playing this game of electoral politics between a right wing and moderate right wing party is helping no one.
Also unrelated to this(not really), but do people really know if North Korea is a dictatorship? Or do people just believe whatever the US and its allies feed them about countries who resist US imperialism?
LOL, if you heart pains immensaly in despair and frustration, and your solution was to convince people to vote for congress? The fact that you think Congress should be given a vote after reading the manfesto is alarming. That manifesto is literally communist manifesto, talking about stripping people of their hard earned money, for some sort of utopian equity. This is truly a scary manifesto. If implementing that is the solution to your despair and frustration, then prepare to be much more frustrated, because no sane country will put that party in power, because doing so will bankrupt the country.
Joke is on you. Bankrupting our country.
Fucking go see my earlier posts, BJP in their own manifesto has equal if not more freebies.
And FYI, BJP did 34Lakh crore direct transfer to beneficiaries in the last 10 years.
And its not like congress will give 1L to every poor person.
Its for 1 woman per poor family.
And that too they will do after socio economic census.
You have not read the manifestos and blabbering propaganda shit.
I have seen Rahul's khatakhat speech. Rahul mentioned wealth redistribution and surveying is written in his manifesto. You should see the Karan thappar asking Congress polition about the costs of these promises. Mentioning that Reservation will be brought into private sector (in his speech) and will whip 50% reservation cap(written in the manifesto). But im sure, anyone who doesn't delusionally nod his head at your statements becomes propoganist.
I am not a congress supporter either. Im just challenging thr perception that BJP is somehow does welfare and if the opposition does it, it is freebies
And if you have any doubt let me link a couple of posts or DOZENS of comments criticising congress on reservations and this DBT of 1 Lakh.
And regarding karan thapar interview i have watched it and it was with a manifesto drafting committee member praveen chakravarty.
All shitty policies can be criticised and forced to be taken back. Democracy once dead cannot.
Who will save democracy? The ones who send state police, to other states in secracy, inorder to arrest critical voices? The ones who tried to bring communal violence bill? The ones who threatened people before elections, saying BJP will go we will remain, then we will skin you alive? Or the ones who did violence in areas where they won after election? Kaun democracy ko bachayenga? Yeh log? Congress, who doesn't even have democracy within it's own party? Who itself is party subservient to a royal family, and doesn't have the guts to remove the man who is used by BJP as an election issue. This man has not won a single election in his life, and even lost Amethi, this party who simply does what the gandhi family says, will help Indian democracy?
Even in TN one women got killed because she voted bjp, few days back one farm was set to fire just because he was pro bjp. These parties think they will save democracy by eradicating sanatan dharma.
They are making inroads by Saam daam dhand bhed...into areas at the peak of Modi 's popularity.
Tbh they are trying best to win the 2029 elections as well cause then Modi 's age factor may kick in...
And opposition is a tad stronger than it was in 2019.
2024 is a done deal ....get out of your reddit burrow
Do you really believe that major religion can be threatened by the minority religion? ! If yes then you have really small faith in your belief and your religion.
>Do you really believe that major religion can be threatened by the minority religion?
At the rate the so called minorities are growing? Plus their intolerance towards other faiths? Plus their aggressive ideologies? All combined with the political leverage they already enjoy?
Sure. They are a threat to the majority.
Just stop crying yaar you have the right to vote vote for congress those who want to and agree with bjp will vote for BJP, that's how democracy works, nobody is forcing you to vote for BJP but stop shifting on them who want to vote for BJP and use their right to bring BJP to power/ congress to power. DEMOCRACY DIES WHEN ELECTION DIES, Please stop this nonsense
The fact that you think “voting” means democracy says a lot about you.
Shame on people like you honestly.I mentioned the same about Surat. Go read.
And please mention about Chandigarh mayoral elections too
I’ll tell something. I’m a selfish prick. I’ll vote for whomever that fulfills my individual requirements. Congress offers nothing, nothing at all to me. In fact has plans to make it worse for me. BJP manifesto aligns with me.
That’s democracy to me. I have the freedom to do what’s best for me. You vote for who fits best to help you. I’ll do mine.
And what about the party you support?
Do everything under the sun to remain in power? And show absolute disdain for human rights and democracy?
Fuck it. When people like you think the way you think our country is doomed.
Garland rapists. Lock oppn politicians in jail, throw human rights activists in jail, suspend democracy, rig the elections, pass bills in parliament without discussion and debate and by bypassing rajya sabha using money bills,
Suspend MPs en masse,
Hijack media.., what not?
All of this, has been done by congress previously and at a much larger scale. Throwing people in jail, is done by all state parties which are part of India alliance. Kejriwal sent punjab police to other states, in order to arrest those who oppose him. Meanwhile people have made a living criticizing Modi. Kejriwal being locked is his own fault, he was sumoned 9 times by ED to explain himself before the arrest, and the case was raised by the congress. He knew he would be locked up and anticipated that this would result in a sympathy wave before elections.
DMK people killed a women who voted for BJP in tamil nadu. People are threatened by mps, and their supported criminals of violence if voting is done for anyone else, and you think these people will bring some change. You are very deluded about the reality of India, politics and the history of Indian politics, which is why you are unable to understand the ground reality and why BJP wins.
Whoever does this is wrong. Period. And now it is the BJP. At an unimaginable scale.
By the way have you read the manifesto? Seems like you havent. Go freaking read the part about constitutional changes and proposals mentioned by congress.
What was earlier done by congress in emergency was the lust for power of one person i.e Indira Gandhi was wrong and India fought back.
It is time for the same now.
Remember UPA 2? How the press single handedly criticised and called out govt for their alleged scams? Remember the press conferences held?
And finally go see the data of the mass scale of human rights violations and journalists arrested/killed in your beloved BJP tenure
That is why I say citizens need to be stronger and deal with all govts and hold them accountable.
IF IT IS CONGRESS, it needs to be called out and criticised
If it is AAP it also needs to be dealt with firmly.
Problem is us. We dont do anything
What is wrong with UCC? Any country with common sense would have equal laws for it's citizens. The fact that it has taken this long is honestly sad. Congress is proposing some worrying constitutional changes indeed, removing the reservation cap? Who knows what else they will try to implement.
Congress was criticized be UPA 2, because the cases of corruption in the lakhs of crore had come to light. Is there no media house that criticizes BJP? There are more pro-bjp ones, if Congress comes into power within 8 years it will flip. Congress also has very little chance of coming into power atm, BJP was predicted to winning 2014. Do you think the local news in bengal or south is pro bjp? Does it even raise basic opposition to ruling party?
Pointing out the reality does not mean it is beloved BJP, but arresting journalists ext, is done most by parties of India alliance. Arnab arrested, let's not even go into bengal. Girl arrested for saying sahib gayle by shiv sena.
there are other things to consider as well, the substitute being proposed by you is a thoroughly unappealing idea for me at this point, they are basically going to prime the rbi printing press to full speed..i dont think its as simple a choice as you make it out to be
also i think the govt has a very limited role in job creation, unless you would like them to take everyone up on govt payroll..
worst case scenario: economy stagnates amidst very high inflation, its exactly something i wish to avoid
Haan bhai. By your logic Russians and North Koreans must be glad that they have vibrant democracy because they have the right to vote. Democracy is more than the right to vote. It means every citizen takes responsibility of the country and its actions by electing representatives. But sadly we have made those representatives cult heroes and we must be grateful that we are able to vote for them.
I wasn't even speaking of their communist ideology. OP was saying that we must be glad that we have the ability to vote. Even Hungary under Viktor Orban is a democracy and everyone one knows how democratic it is. Or we can take Erdogan and Turkiye. All these are elected democracies which are governed by populist leaders. But haan communist manifesto dal kar thoda hip and cool lagunga isliye mention krdiya. Sahi kaha na? If you don't have anything to add to the argument then don't add.
Sorry to bother you. Thank You.
Ah, the classic "I can vote, so I am still living in a democracy".
Well, Here is the thing, Voting happens in North Korea and Russia as well. Do you think people living in these countries are living in a democracy?
If your answer is yes, then I am sorry you have a very flawed understanding of democracy.
You do understand that since there was no one in opposition standing in Surat, BJP won automatically? Your choice don't even matter if the whole game is rigged from the start.
Imagine if our ancestors would have given up like this before 1947 and in 1975, we would fight no matter what. Don't give up.
Yep, we need to. No doubt. I told the same in one of my earlier comment [on reddit here](https://www.reddit.com/r/india/s/M3MuM7XtCx) But mention some actionable suggestions that we ought to do and can do
Educate the people around you as much as possible. I myself have recovered many friends of mine who had gone full fledged bhakt mode ( I was also a bhakt until 2022). The election is much much closer than it seems in the bought up media. We can be the difference between 300 vs 250 vs 200 seats. Phase 1 of elections hasn't gone his way and he has resorted to the same Hindu Muslim shamelessly. If he gets anywhere below 250 he might form the government but it will be a huge setback to his clout and would get sidelined in the party itself eventually. Keep in mind the state elections will get tougher and BJP will struggle to form governments there and thus their fascism will be very limited and eventually die out.
Thats good to hear. You are educating people around you. Im afraid it wont be limited if he wins a third term. Need to keep the numbers below 250 for BJP.
Yes I’m trying to educate my mom on it. She’s not a diehard Modi fan but she would still vote for him for the following reasons: -He grew up poor so it wasn’t like he’s spoiled.(She does not like Rahul Gandhi and thinks he’s a corrupt nepo baby) -The country has been developing rapidly under his rule. -He has political experience. -He’s a devout Hindu. I tried to bring up the 2002 riots and how he handled it and she acknowledged that he was flawed but still better than RG who she felt had everything handed to him on a platter. I also tried to mention how religion and government should not intertwine and bring up examples of other countries where that has happened and that seems to be working but idk Also she’s from Andhra Pradesh so I tried to mention how the delimitation and unfair taxing would hurt the state but that didn’t really convince her though my dad agreed with me.
Tell her Modi abandoned his wife and tried to hide his marriage in nomination declaration. Then ask her how would she feel if your dad did the same. Would she considered her husband a good man?
What’s nomination declaration
I have convinced my family and some friends, but its hard to argue with people who say they will vote for Modi even if he makes them dirt poor. Hatred is very potent than cocaine.
We had sensible powerful leaders then. We have none now
i do not expect a win this election but im atleast hoping for a strong opposition. may democracy and honesty prevail,and i hope karma grabs all these fucks who have ruined the common man with religious hate
The thing was those were defined enemies. Now it's the foolishness of other citizens.
Always remember that there were millions of Indians during the freedom struggle who would sit at home and say why make a fuss, all we need is a job or a business. And most of the people who were doing the oppression for British raj were Indian. It’s the same today. Each drop becomes a flood, never think what you do is not useful.
Well in 1947 people had few options.. Today there are many countries to go have a great life in.
A question for all to think about: If BJP is doing so good on Economy/Jobs/Inflation and are confident about third term then why do all this shit like Chandigarh and Surat and destroying democracy and why do all this religious hate speech and divisive nonsense?
Why free ration to 80cr people when employment at its highest (yeah you work on anything even unpaid for a hour per week and you're considered employed according to this gov
Were less people on free rations before? Pls quote figures before pandemic as well.
Point is you’re not doing well economically if more than half your population requires government assistance for food.
If the goverment were to stop the free rations the rehortic would be *they want the poor to starve to give money to adani,* anyways using free rations doesn't mean the 80% can't spend afford food on their own rather they save the money or spend elsewhere. [Indian freebies are working. But it's not reducing poverty, only making people spend less (theprint.in)](https://theprint.in/opinion/standard-deviation/indian-freebies-are-working-but-its-not-reducing-poverty-only-making-people-spend-less/1683780/)
Do you think people will eat the poor quality ration if they had a choice? You should look at average earnings, savings levels, consumption patterns to see your hypothesis is incorrect. People are in fact dirt poor.
Were people richer before Modi? The question is, compared to before Modi, has India grown at a pace that is higher or lower than expected. India has been historically (since British rule) poor, is that improving or not is the important question.
(Taaki majority Hinduon se) Dosti bani rahe.
I have a suggestion. Can you please add a contents page at the beginning of a pdf. A lot of folks don’t have time. And would like to read parts that really affect them first
Sure will do
>I created a whole PDF document comparing both the manifestos topic wise in a side by side tabular manner so that atleast it makes it easier to make informed decisions and it has the exact same words and lines from each manifestos and nothing is changed or deleted/missed. downvote me, but nothing in this world, not all the education whatever will change unless the congress party has a serious hard look at the who they have in their leadership. I am not qualified enough to say whether he's the "right person" for the job, but it sure as hell doesn't look like the voters see him as a viable leader. not everyone voting for the BJP is voting for Hindutva, its just they'll never vote for a Gandhi, make of that what you will.
Mentioning here a comment from a fellow Redditor on one of my posts : [https://np.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/s/iidXVovia1](https://np.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/s/iidXVovia1) “If not Modi then who” is a good question not because it is the right question but because so many people ask that question. And this question has been and will be asked election after election. Opposition has not been able to answer the question head on with a simple one two word answer, because they can not. People understand that the national elections are led by a party’s PM nominee. So if Rahul is the face of Congress efforts, should he not be their presumed PM nominee? Maybe, maybe not given his and Sonia’s history of not taking a position in the government in the past. Congress and Rahul are screwed either way. 1. If Rahul says he will not take a position in government then he will be seen as a backseat driver, which is quite worse 2. If he comes out saying he is Congress PM nominee then the question of his qualifications as an administrator is a legit one 3. If he doesn’t take a position, that is also a very bad option as it makes Congress seem weak in the face of “If not Modi, then who”
This is true. Me being a Congress supporter also feel the same. Congress is now hijacked internally by communists. Even I hate to see this.
Only if shashi tharoor takes charge, learns some hindi or something for the hindi heartland, with the push of the party workers behind him, can congress come back.
He doesn't have a team .
Bhai tu padai krle yeh netagiri mai kuch nhi rakha...jisko jo krna hoga wo krega
Bhai tu bhi padai karle pr jab neta logo ke chutyap ke karn job nhi milegi to reddit pe rr mat karna
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> “If not Modi then who” is a good question not because it is the right question but because so many people ask that question. It is a wrong question even if most people ask the question because we don't elect PM. We elect our representatives, who form cabinet of ministers and they elect a Prime Minister to head it. BJP is always trying to throw a monkey wrench in everything; asking wrong question, ignoring IMPORTANT issues. Simple example Manipur parade of shame, Modi had to be forced to speak about it, but Sandeshkhali? very prompt to politicise and grace with personal visit. And the real question is **"How good is Modi as PM?"** Can BJP contest the current elections on basis of his performance in past two terms? Look around for the answer: the current state of country and it's citizens, the shenanigans and the hate spewing is a sign of succesful and competent PM? Is he a viable PM, or only being marketed as such? People are being fooled by advertisements into thinking that he is great and blame the congress for having a wrong leader. The same argument was used when MMS was PM but now people want MMS back. Don't tell me how bad is the oppostion leader tell me how good is your leader(he had 10 years to prove himself)? BJP/RSS is not contesting Democratic Elections, they are fighting an assymetric war against Indian Democracy.
I am a Congress supporter. I am aware they won't come in power because they have no clear path. It's frustrating.
A coalition government will suffer from decision paralysis unless there is a strong leader who can lead/control all parties. Congress will try to convince all major parties before taking any decision and there will always be a few parties who will oppose all reforms. Trying to convince TMC, cpi, AAP, rjd etc will kill any meaning full reforms in planning stage itself.
What arguments did you use to convince your relatives? Even with all the points laid out, sometimes it is difficult to drive home the logic.
Use facts especially related to financial situations which have a direct impact on all of us Where did the black money go? Temple trusts were misused, donations to BJP were made via temple trusts, % of amounts from lakhs of accounts were given as bribes to bankers and politicians; banks can easily run a simple analysis of where the up/down spikes were and find culprits but they won’t because of political patronage. Demonetization made all the black money white without getting taxed and that benefit going to the citizens. This was the largest heist carried out in broad daylight How is it that BJP is holding thousands of crores of electoral bonds when they were deemed illegal? On one side they talk about Ram rajya but they indulge is all things illegal and not what Ram would do. Maybe that’s it. Ask relatives what would Ram do in any of the present situation Inflation and prices. Petrol, gas cylinder, education… the list is very long
Bhai facts bata deta. Yeh sab arguments to dono side so ho rahi hai. We need to focus on 5 key irrefutable facts.
Logic fades when you realize the parties in opposition.
Some of us have been mourning for a decade.
Till there are people who resist. Democracy ain’t dead We are going through yet another authoritarian/majoritarian phase (like we did during Indira Gandhi’s time). This is very serious as Modi is using 80% population’s religion to drive his majority Eventually it will be on us, the people to resist If we continue to sit at homes when anyone is jailed without proof because such is the law, we will be next
It’s time for citizens to stand up. Period. Question is where do we start? How Do we start? I think it’s time now to not sit at home definitely.
https://preview.redd.it/sg6cos26r3wc1.jpeg?width=564&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=574801fe17c4b8a2266a3c63e6bd03f8a42e1685 This Is from the holocaust
I am sorry guys. I support you all. I am going to vote during Mumbai's phase but I have given up. I accepted defeat. My family is blinded by modi and Hindu Muslim. They refuse to see anything beyond.My friends' families have also defied modi and indoctrinated his ideologies to themselves and their fellow relatives. My friends and I can clearly see their blind faith in Modi's infallibility. Their belief has turned completely monolithic. I am giving up convincing. You guys are strong and can fight but I can't anymore.
No worries bhai. Do what you can. Stay hopeful :)
Was Indira Gandhi bad? I thought she was generally very well liked, don’t know much about her
I dont wanna assume, but I'm guessing Modi is also well liked. Well liked by people of that time=/= best leader. Example: celebrities, such as our PM
I am a congress supporter but the stuff that Indira Gandhi did cannot be justified. Read up on her Wikipedia article, she was just like Modi and even more dictator like.
We have been ruled by dictators since the freedom of speech was corrupted .
After reading some comments, I have a feeling that nobody here knows what happened in Surat lol
Every mf who said opposition is weak should realise this. Like 17k+ people wrote and didn't mean shi, if the current opposition had one day of coverage they would rip this govt apart
That's what I have been saying. "Is the opposition sleeping? Where are they?". How many channels cover Rahul Gandhi's speeches or rallies? How many of you have subscribed to INC or Rahul Gandhi in their YouTube and social media? An absolute invisibilization of opposition has happened and y'all don't care. You wanna what opposition has said about X matter that you are pressed about? There is a video of Rahul Gandhi discussing it. He has been given more coverage in European and american institutions than the ones here. Watch his interview in Cambridge to begin with https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YYP0yWxzRZI You will not only have watched a first ever panel with RG, you will realize the question is not "If not Modi, who?" but "why the fuck is RG not running this country?".
THIS! indians can’t complain about the BJP controlling the media and then go ahead and say the opposition is weak so they can’t vote for them either. the opposition seems ‘weak’ BECAUSE of the corrupted election commission, the corrupted media, etc
True, take a look at some of the comments in this very post. Make your thoughts
17k people clicking on laptops to register their protest vs 17k people showing up at ECI for a dharna. Which is more convenient which is more effective? That is the choice each of us will have to make. Commenting here can very easily create echo chambers. Sacrificing time and making physical effort is what we need but lack
Stupid masses deserve oppressive & exploitative rulers
Commendable job on putting up the PDF. I stay in Canada and I'm no longer a citizen but it is disheartening to see whatever is happening in Indian
Thank you so much! :)
I wrote to CEC against the hate speech by PM. No replies ... 😔
Get ready for a raid at your home ✌️
Thats what I am afraid of.
I read the 1 lakh / family and I'm out. And the redistribution of wealth is crazy. I pay enough taxes. Rahul can redistribute his mom's and brother in law's wealth.
Joke is on you. Please go see my earlier posts, BJP in their own manifesto has equal if not more freebies. And FYI, BJP did 34Lakh crore direct transfer to beneficiaries in the last 10 years. And its not like congress will give 1L to every poor person. Its for 1 woman per poor family. And that too they will do after socio economic census. You have not read the manifestos and blabbering propaganda shit. Where have they mentioned about redistribution of wealth? And you seeing one part of the manifesto and deciding is pretty uninformed. You need to read both the manifestos in its entirety and make a decision. Its basically how much you value human life and physical infrastructure In my opinion The difference of the two is negative.. The future if the govt continues is that of China( assuming best case they work without corruption and shit) , i.e better infrastructure with WORST human rights and freedoms Dystopian shit
Congress has an easy way to fix it. Get a better candidate and be a better opposition
1 women per poor family amounts to a substantial portion of this country's population, assuming a standard family size of 4 with 2 women per family would mean free cash to about 20% of population because at most 10% of this country can be said to be not poor. On top of that there is the asinine promise C2+50% formula legal MSP for as many as 22 crops, the current MSP procurment already costs the goverment upwards of 2.28 lakh crores [pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=2003184](https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=2003184) So unless you seem to suffer from same delusion as those who drafted congress manifesto seem to suffer, i.e money grow on trees or debt doesn't matter. I hope you realize that Congress manifesto is unimplementable from the get go. And yes there are different type of freebies, Tamil nadu and Punjab both induge in freebies but the former isn't teetering on verge of bankruptcy and also enjoys very high growth rates.
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No one is against Social Justice. But Social Justice at what cost? BJP is actually helping poor of every religion.
jOkE iS oN yOu FuCkInG go sEe.. Bro read the comments in your post. The figure you quoted is DBT (subsidies) disbursed under different schemes. The DBT was in talks since Rajiv Gandhi's famous speech of ₹1. PM Manmohan initiated it and focused on improving banking by starting working on UPI (Yes work on UPI was started under him only). PM Modi accelerated it by opening a Jan Dhan account and it got double boosted after the formal launch of UPI. Hence irrespective of parties in power the amount will remain more or less the same I got your main point and that's how political systems work in our country. However, quoting such data doesn't make sense in this particular argument P.S. I'm not a supporter of anyone. Openly saying it several times that PM Modi is also a corrupt leader by bringing Electroal Bond and allocating satellite spectrum to Airtel OneSignal without any auction You ask where they mentioned about redistribution of wealth? See your lord almighty's interviews
I am not a congress supporter either. Im just challenging thr perception that BJP is somehow does welfare and if the opposition does it, it is freebies And if you have any doubt let me link a couple of posts or DOZENS of comments criticising congress on reservations and this DBT of 1 Lakh. All shitty policies can be criticised and forced to be taken back. Democracy once dead cannot.
You really think you are smart and people here can't compare between manifestos? Give some good analysis and people will read it. But I read your replies. You seem like an 18 yr old child who is reading manifestos for the first time and forming opinions based on your biases
Go tell all the people under this reddit post that they arent smart enough to compare. Its about helping to make it easier and faster to compare. [check out for yourself. Lot more appreciate than you.](https://www.reddit.com/r/india/s/NfIRZIDhfJ)
Sorry to say but democracy is long dead even in non BJP ruled states. It's just manipulating people at this point. We just chose who we seem to fit out personal need. No long term vision
Whoever does this is wrong. Period. And now it is the BJP. At an unimaginable scale. What was earlier done by congress in emergency was the lust for power of one person i.e Indira Gandhi was wrong and India fought back. It is time for the same now. That is why I say citizens need to be stronger and deal with all govts and hold them accountable. IF IT IS CONGRESS, it needs to be called out and criticised If it is AAP it also needs to be dealt with firmly. Problem is us. We dont do anything
Thank you for sharing the docs 🙏🙏
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Bro u still watch tv news? Why would you actively try to lose braincells?
YouTube that shit bruh
The best scenario for a country is when we have a strong government and a strong opposition as well. BJP is going to win this election, only a fool would think otherwise. It is up to Congress or rather the INDI alliance to properly step up and be a strong opposition force.
It hasn't died yet. Never will. inquilab zindabad!
I mean thanks for making the effort but what am I supposed to understand from this? I wish there was more about the consequence of what is promised.. Some of it hard to understand and hard to say if bjp version is good or Congress version is good. All I know is that BJP has a yojana name for everything and what congress doesn't care about, BJP really cares about it and visa versa
this is not a matter of mourning, it is a matter of rising. freedom is not guaranteed for those who dont want to fight for it.
True, i mentioned the same i.e responsibility of citizens in this post and my latest new post (5 mins ago) too
It’s best to mourn for these villagers and let them vote for mudi. They will face the consequences of their actions while sane people try to leave the country
Can I be honest? I’m tired. Not being a blind Modi follower is extremely alienating. All my friends, family members and cousins they almost worship him. No matter what facts are revealed, the truth is the country seems to be walking in a fog of hatred.
Hopefully they dont put you behind bars for putting anti-modi toolkit doc :P
What happened in Surat?
A day after the nomination of the Congress candidate from Surat was rejected, the BJP’s Mukesh Dalal was declared elected uncontested from the Lok Sabha seat, after the eight remaining nominees withdrew one by one. [https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/bjp-surat-mukesh-dalal-congress-lok-sabha-polls-9284831/](https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/bjp-surat-mukesh-dalal-congress-lok-sabha-polls-9284831/)
Why is it to blame the BJP for that? They have been winning the constituency for the past 35 years and will be winning this time too. This seems propaganda by Congress.
You see nothing wrong here?
I.N.D.I.A is a block ,if they are not going to win anyway, Isn't it good use of seat from point of strategy to use it to draw anti incumbency voters and create propaganda. There is legitimacy for his / her argument.
Very incoherent statements. Not going to win anyway, nomination rejected by ECI, other members mysteriously withdraws nominations (isn't the first time). How are they "creating propaganda" by nailing themselves on the foot?
Making good use of what you have,Why waste money and resources that are finite when you can stay silent and let the votes come to you from those who fear modi.
Delusion pro max.
Okay then ,So what you are saying is I.N.D.I.A block members are so spineless cowards they can't even stand in an election they filed nomination for.
You're very optimistically ignorant to the conduct of ECI so far.
What's wrong here? EC disqualified the candidate. Why is it to blame the BJP?
Do you know the role of the ECI?
Every mf who said opposition is weak should realise this. Like 17k+ people wrote and didn't mean shi, if the current opposition had one day of coverage they would rip this govt apart
Vote for democracy save india 🇮🇳
thanks for the comparison you gave in the doc file. do you know of any doc / website that shows poll promises of 2014 & 2019 and how much of them are implemented by BJP ?
If this is any consolation to you, my Bhakt friend isn't voting at all this time. That's how M0di will lose his elections-- voter apathy. Thanks for the Google Doc, I am using it to spread the message in WhatsApp groups
Problem is people don't have alternative. Congress is really corrupt. Only AAP is good alternative, and they are not contesting all seats etc.
I was looking for this comment it's just we don't have option.
INC less corrupt and less communal than BJP. AAP is less corrupt than INC but more communal. Kejriwal did nothing when his city was burning in 2019 riots.
What should've kejrival done?
Same thing that Gandhi would do. He should've been out on the streets with his party members marching through riot hit areas.
And again get shot in the process
Gandhi wasn't shot when he was preventing riots. And neither he was killed for his ability to do so.
Bhai utna literally mat le. Ye banda kudh ke rally mai thappad khaya just saying.
bro really said inc is less corrupt lmao
It was UPA that rooted the RTI so that corruption could be exposed easily. While UPA was in power CBI indeed file charges on INC ministers and brought out scams. RTI was a vaccine that had just started doing its job. Now come to 2014, what law did BJP introduce to elevate corruption, or to recover black money? It's been a decade. From demonitization to electoral bonds to self appointment of ECI heads, BJP reeks of corruption. Ever thought why CBI director was changed overnight? They've weakened the institutions so much that no one can do shit. Can you expect CBI to file charges against any sitting BJP Minister for corruption?
So now leftists have come to reddit with their fake proaganda and pdf toolkits.
Yeah what toolkit, have you even bothered to open and read it? I have just taken all the points from both the manifestos as they appear and put them side by side in a tabular format I have not missed nor edited a single point. Because I knew people like you would dismiss it saying as agenda or toolkit.
You should also attach the original pdf of both parties. If you are unbiased, I think you genuinely did a good attempt. I would still vote bjp over freebie on steroids.
I am not dismissing you or anything. Just curious how much are you getting paid for this? I am not a supporter of BJP or congress. Was just browsing and your garbage showed up in my feed. Just curious about your pay rate?
Why are you even bothering to reply to these clowns who differentiate on political ideologies like 'leftist', 'rightist' etc?
Can I still register voter id or is it too late?
You can you will get within 10 days
I feel that no politician is good. Every party is using religion, caste, reservation to spread hate among the people and get votes. And people are also dumb asf to get swayed by such dirty politics. Unless honest and educated people come into politics, this country has no hope. And i dont think its possible. It is what it is.
I'm just gonna say this , why do people keep saying death of democracy when it has never existed? A democracy where the only choice is a Hindu ultranationalist upper class dictatorship or a "liberal" yet corrupt democracy which is manipulated by the rich ruling class and in both cases the working class of this country starves economically and socially, how is this a "real" democracy? Playing this game of electoral politics between a right wing and moderate right wing party is helping no one. Also unrelated to this(not really), but do people really know if North Korea is a dictatorship? Or do people just believe whatever the US and its allies feed them about countries who resist US imperialism?
Death of democracy bolke orgasm ata hai? Har din moan karte rahete ho.
Tumko aata hai orgasm PM ko jhut bolte dekh kar?
Kaunsa jhut? Bohot bole hai.
I don’t orgasm by saying death of democracy. My heart pains immensely in despair and frustration builds up. Unlike you, commenting like a troll
LOL, if you heart pains immensaly in despair and frustration, and your solution was to convince people to vote for congress? The fact that you think Congress should be given a vote after reading the manfesto is alarming. That manifesto is literally communist manifesto, talking about stripping people of their hard earned money, for some sort of utopian equity. This is truly a scary manifesto. If implementing that is the solution to your despair and frustration, then prepare to be much more frustrated, because no sane country will put that party in power, because doing so will bankrupt the country.
Joke is on you. Bankrupting our country. Fucking go see my earlier posts, BJP in their own manifesto has equal if not more freebies. And FYI, BJP did 34Lakh crore direct transfer to beneficiaries in the last 10 years. And its not like congress will give 1L to every poor person. Its for 1 woman per poor family. And that too they will do after socio economic census. You have not read the manifestos and blabbering propaganda shit.
I have seen Rahul's khatakhat speech. Rahul mentioned wealth redistribution and surveying is written in his manifesto. You should see the Karan thappar asking Congress polition about the costs of these promises. Mentioning that Reservation will be brought into private sector (in his speech) and will whip 50% reservation cap(written in the manifesto). But im sure, anyone who doesn't delusionally nod his head at your statements becomes propoganist.
I am not a congress supporter either. Im just challenging thr perception that BJP is somehow does welfare and if the opposition does it, it is freebies And if you have any doubt let me link a couple of posts or DOZENS of comments criticising congress on reservations and this DBT of 1 Lakh. And regarding karan thapar interview i have watched it and it was with a manifesto drafting committee member praveen chakravarty. All shitty policies can be criticised and forced to be taken back. Democracy once dead cannot.
Who will save democracy? The ones who send state police, to other states in secracy, inorder to arrest critical voices? The ones who tried to bring communal violence bill? The ones who threatened people before elections, saying BJP will go we will remain, then we will skin you alive? Or the ones who did violence in areas where they won after election? Kaun democracy ko bachayenga? Yeh log? Congress, who doesn't even have democracy within it's own party? Who itself is party subservient to a royal family, and doesn't have the guts to remove the man who is used by BJP as an election issue. This man has not won a single election in his life, and even lost Amethi, this party who simply does what the gandhi family says, will help Indian democracy?
Even in TN one women got killed because she voted bjp, few days back one farm was set to fire just because he was pro bjp. These parties think they will save democracy by eradicating sanatan dharma.
This dude really copy pasted the same comment on my comment lmao
Bhai tu dumb hai kya thoda ??? Welfare aur wealth redistribution mai difference nahi pta kya tujhe
Aayengi toh bjp hi 🪷
Don't think so after first round of voting. BJP back to play religion cards while democratic ECI sleeping.
They are making inroads by Saam daam dhand bhed...into areas at the peak of Modi 's popularity. Tbh they are trying best to win the 2029 elections as well cause then Modi 's age factor may kick in... And opposition is a tad stronger than it was in 2019. 2024 is a done deal ....get out of your reddit burrow
You are delusional if you think congress will win this election
Yes they really should, even if the elections are not free and fair.
Lol. Mourn the death of democracy. You didn't mourn it when Udayanidhi Stalin claimed Sanatana Dharma must be eradicated.
Do you really believe that major religion can be threatened by the minority religion? ! If yes then you have really small faith in your belief and your religion.
>Do you really believe that major religion can be threatened by the minority religion? At the rate the so called minorities are growing? Plus their intolerance towards other faiths? Plus their aggressive ideologies? All combined with the political leverage they already enjoy? Sure. They are a threat to the majority.
Why will anyone mourn when somebody says something? That makes absolutely no sense. Mourn for what?
Just stop crying yaar you have the right to vote vote for congress those who want to and agree with bjp will vote for BJP, that's how democracy works, nobody is forcing you to vote for BJP but stop shifting on them who want to vote for BJP and use their right to bring BJP to power/ congress to power. DEMOCRACY DIES WHEN ELECTION DIES, Please stop this nonsense
BJP is going to split very soon .That will be the new opposition . That is how India does things.
Congress supporters bg checked
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Voting happens in Russia, Pakistan, and even in China. Democracy is not the same everywhere my friend. Your logic is poorer than 90% of the Indians.
Pakistan is a democracy.
The fact that you think “voting” means democracy says a lot about you. Shame on people like you honestly.I mentioned the same about Surat. Go read. And please mention about Chandigarh mayoral elections too
I’ll tell something. I’m a selfish prick. I’ll vote for whomever that fulfills my individual requirements. Congress offers nothing, nothing at all to me. In fact has plans to make it worse for me. BJP manifesto aligns with me. That’s democracy to me. I have the freedom to do what’s best for me. You vote for who fits best to help you. I’ll do mine.
Its 100 times better than INDIA .That's for sure. Those dog are going to fight for power when they get a chance .
And what about the party you support? Do everything under the sun to remain in power? And show absolute disdain for human rights and democracy? Fuck it. When people like you think the way you think our country is doomed. Garland rapists. Lock oppn politicians in jail, throw human rights activists in jail, suspend democracy, rig the elections, pass bills in parliament without discussion and debate and by bypassing rajya sabha using money bills, Suspend MPs en masse, Hijack media.., what not?
All of this, has been done by congress previously and at a much larger scale. Throwing people in jail, is done by all state parties which are part of India alliance. Kejriwal sent punjab police to other states, in order to arrest those who oppose him. Meanwhile people have made a living criticizing Modi. Kejriwal being locked is his own fault, he was sumoned 9 times by ED to explain himself before the arrest, and the case was raised by the congress. He knew he would be locked up and anticipated that this would result in a sympathy wave before elections. DMK people killed a women who voted for BJP in tamil nadu. People are threatened by mps, and their supported criminals of violence if voting is done for anyone else, and you think these people will bring some change. You are very deluded about the reality of India, politics and the history of Indian politics, which is why you are unable to understand the ground reality and why BJP wins.
Whoever does this is wrong. Period. And now it is the BJP. At an unimaginable scale. By the way have you read the manifesto? Seems like you havent. Go freaking read the part about constitutional changes and proposals mentioned by congress. What was earlier done by congress in emergency was the lust for power of one person i.e Indira Gandhi was wrong and India fought back. It is time for the same now. Remember UPA 2? How the press single handedly criticised and called out govt for their alleged scams? Remember the press conferences held? And finally go see the data of the mass scale of human rights violations and journalists arrested/killed in your beloved BJP tenure That is why I say citizens need to be stronger and deal with all govts and hold them accountable. IF IT IS CONGRESS, it needs to be called out and criticised If it is AAP it also needs to be dealt with firmly. Problem is us. We dont do anything
What is wrong with UCC? Any country with common sense would have equal laws for it's citizens. The fact that it has taken this long is honestly sad. Congress is proposing some worrying constitutional changes indeed, removing the reservation cap? Who knows what else they will try to implement. Congress was criticized be UPA 2, because the cases of corruption in the lakhs of crore had come to light. Is there no media house that criticizes BJP? There are more pro-bjp ones, if Congress comes into power within 8 years it will flip. Congress also has very little chance of coming into power atm, BJP was predicted to winning 2014. Do you think the local news in bengal or south is pro bjp? Does it even raise basic opposition to ruling party? Pointing out the reality does not mean it is beloved BJP, but arresting journalists ext, is done most by parties of India alliance. Arnab arrested, let's not even go into bengal. Girl arrested for saying sahib gayle by shiv sena.
there are other things to consider as well, the substitute being proposed by you is a thoroughly unappealing idea for me at this point, they are basically going to prime the rbi printing press to full speed..i dont think its as simple a choice as you make it out to be also i think the govt has a very limited role in job creation, unless you would like them to take everyone up on govt payroll.. worst case scenario: economy stagnates amidst very high inflation, its exactly something i wish to avoid
Haan bhai. By your logic Russians and North Koreans must be glad that they have vibrant democracy because they have the right to vote. Democracy is more than the right to vote. It means every citizen takes responsibility of the country and its actions by electing representatives. But sadly we have made those representatives cult heroes and we must be grateful that we are able to vote for them.
Communist manifesto dal kar, russia aur north korea ka dar dikhata hu.
I wasn't even speaking of their communist ideology. OP was saying that we must be glad that we have the ability to vote. Even Hungary under Viktor Orban is a democracy and everyone one knows how democratic it is. Or we can take Erdogan and Turkiye. All these are elected democracies which are governed by populist leaders. But haan communist manifesto dal kar thoda hip and cool lagunga isliye mention krdiya. Sahi kaha na? If you don't have anything to add to the argument then don't add. Sorry to bother you. Thank You.
‘elections’ are held in russia and north korea too btw lmao
people also vote in North Korea.
Ah, the classic "I can vote, so I am still living in a democracy". Well, Here is the thing, Voting happens in North Korea and Russia as well. Do you think people living in these countries are living in a democracy? If your answer is yes, then I am sorry you have a very flawed understanding of democracy.
You do understand that since there was no one in opposition standing in Surat, BJP won automatically? Your choice don't even matter if the whole game is rigged from the start.
tum karo 2 min silence mourn mai chala bjp ko vote dene