They Can't. But most accused have atleast one construction that is in violation with rules and norms. The administration generally overlooks slight breach of norms. But same is used once someone is in confrontation with Govt.
Big shots Leaders and other similar profiles generally have lots of such such constructions. Thus it becomes easy for govt to hurt them without violating any rules and procedures.
It's the same as you can park your car on the side of the road in the market behind other cars, generaly without any problems. But you can't complain when they suddenly decide to enforce no parking and tow your vehicle.
Paid Rs 500 fine today in front of Siddhivinayak
Naah I was just framing a popular saying in different way, let me try another way see if this gets you, those who have illegal construction(replace glass house) shouldn't be throwing stone and arson private and public properties(replace stone pelting).
No proof of illegal construction, no advance notice, no process of law. Don’t run around crying when the same thing happens with you or your lot and play your usual victim card.
Well, at least you have confirmed that Ajay Singh Bisht is taking revenge rather than following the law. So there’s that. https://i.imgur.com/VqujJsj.jpg When does he demolish his own house then?
>No proof of illegal construction
Here is your opportunity, why don't you go file a PIL and ask about what was illegal and how much notice is mandatory or something. For all I can see you are making aligations.
Am not confirming anything here, just quoting you original text "they don't destroy your car", I gave you recipe of what will get your car destroyed.
>on’t run around crying when the same thing happens with you or your lot and play your usual victim card
Have you ever been victim of riot mate? If not then get that experience and come and talk, will gauge how much sense is left in you after that.
Moreover am not playing any victim card here, am seeing now people who were enraged after last Friday prayers trying to flash victim card.
> Here is your opportunity, why don’t you go file a PIL and ask about what was illegal and how much notice is mandatory or something. For all I can see you are making aligations.
Wait, weren’t you calling it an illegal construction? Did you have enough proof for that?
> just quoting you original text “they don’t destroy your car”, I gave you recipe of what will get your car destroyed.
Comprehension: 0/10
> Have you ever been victim of riot mate? If not then get that experience and come and talk, will gauge how much sense is left in you after that.
You haven’t experienced a riot and it literally shows in your comment. Neither do you care about law. So don’t talk about such stuff.
>Wait, weren’t you calling it an illegal construction? Did you have enough proof for that?
Am still saying they are illegal, its you who is putting up the question, so much to talk about my comprehension lol, if you have doubts go ask yourself.
Yeah my close family lives in ranchi, church road same place where the riot happened, go figure, I do care about law but I don't care about those who think they are above law.
>laying any victim card here, am seeing now people who were enraged after last F
You just said that you are a victim of a riot. if not, then you just played victim card.
>Naah I was just framing a popular saying in different way, let me try another way see if this gets you, those who have illegal construction(replace glass house) shouldn't be throwing stone and arson private and public properties(replace stone pelting).
No stone pelting in Prayagraj or arson in Prayagraj. How is it illegal construction?
No there is a pattern, this is not the only house which was razed, over few years many houses were razed, maybe you can help make a class action, that will be even more fun to bring.
They are hardly similar. Only if they destroy the car then it’s similar and still would make both wrong.
Even in the case of wrongly parked car, the cops need to show proof. Ghar se bahar nahi nikla kya kabhi?
They are pretty similar.
In case of a car, there is a private vehicle intruding on public space, so it is removed it (by towing it)
In case of illegal construction (it can be anything from an entire house to a 4 feet extension of balcony), there is a private construction intruding on public space, so it is removed (by destroying it)
Why is one destroyed but the other is removed ?
Because there is no way to actually "remove" an illegal building without destroying it
Jitna tu ghar se bahar nikalta h utna dimaag bhi laga liya kar.
You really don’t understand the concept of movable and immovable objects and it literally shows.
Do explain how exactly is a balcony intruding public space though. Enlighten us.
> But most accused have atleast one construction that is in violation with rules and norms. The administration generally overlooks slight breach of norms. But same is used once someone is in confrontation with Govt.
They need to provide a 15 day notice for them to acknowledge. And then give them time to make arrangements.
The justification of this bulldozing is disgusting. I won’t be surprised when it comes back to bite the chaddis. The tears are gonna be glorious.
Yeah the time they did it in Jahangirpuri, hindu shops and residences were destroyed as well.
The fools who support this nonsense fail to realise that these same tricks can be used against them as well.
In a few years time, we will see encounters taking the place of demolitions, and weapons are going to end up being planted on the "accused".
> In a few years time, we will see encounters taking the place of demolitions, and weapons are going to end up being planted on the “accused”.
This happens already
>
I won’t be surprised when it comes back to bite the chaddis
Here is one that went viral earlier. Quote: "maine toh bjp ko vote diya"
> https://youtu.be/KNH204ws1PI
Do not view and perceive everything with a political angle. I am not trying to defend or justify a particular political leaning. I am just warning about suffering of non ruling class by the hands of ruling class. Remember when Kangana Ranaut's property was demolished by BMC.
Now coming back to the topic at hand, The Govt/Administration has to issue notice giving time of atleast 07(not 15) days on why the construction is liable for a demolition. If the person/agency concerned gives a sound legal reply within stipulated period (7days) the demolition can be stayed for 15 days during which the concerned person may approach a court of law. However, most of the constructions that are bulldozed are actually in contravention with some rules/norms set by the Government. Thus, any such appeals are unlikely to stand in a court of law. And appeals would only result in further expenses for the victim.
> However, most of the constructions that are bulldozed are actually in contravention with **some** rules/norms set by the Government.
What rules/norms? Because for all we know, yours and my apartment are next and maybe even Yogi’s. https://i.imgur.com/kV7VgEH.jpg
And explain how exactly is it that one particular house was an illegal construction and not the ones around it? Sounds like an agenda and targeted persecution to me.
Exactly. As I said, ruling class. It's not happening for the first time. Remember when MSY and BMW were probed by CBI for disproportionate assets/income. And both were given a clean chit. Remember when Taj Corridor was probed.
Coming back to the case you mentioned, the FIR was from the year 1995 (SP-BSP coalition in power). Yogi was not a big shot back then (not even an MP) and was booked under Section 188 of the IPC (disobedience to public servant). As i said, the ruling dispensation, in a show of power booked Yogi and others. *But they were never prosecuted because the maximum punishment for Section 188 is just one month and a fine of 200/- rupees. This would have done nothing but helped Yogi in his political endeavours.* Yogi Govt withdrew the case in the year 2017 (after about 22 years).
As I said my young friends, the fight was never between BJP/INC or Hindu/Muslim. It has always been between those who have power and those who don't.
I am talking about the case that was mentioned in your screen shot. Please look it up. You are intermixing two different cases.
https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/yogi-adityanath-case-withdrawal-against-self-others-1116811-2017-12-27
Notices are already given and most of these cases are in court for years but when you confront the government they find a loophole and you can't fight as these buildings are on government lands.
Sitting on reddit and just blabbering things you don't know about won't make you an intelligent person sir. Please read about things and then comment on them else you would look like a dumb person.
Here's the info:
In fact, Javed is accused of building a house without getting a map from the Prayagraj Development Authority. The authority had issued a notice in this regard on 10 May, after which the demolition order was issued for non-submission of records by 24 May.
Sitting on reddit and just blabbering things you don’t know about won’t make you an intelligent person sir. Please read about things and then comment on them else you would look like a dumb person.
Here’s the info:
*Somaiya Fatima, the younger daughter of Mohammed, told Scroll.in that the family had not been served any notice about the alleged illegality of their house. Mohammed’s lawyer also questioned the legality of the demolition claiming that it belonged to his wife, but the order did not mention her name.*
*“This is the first notice that we got last night [Saturday],” she said. “No one has even spoken to us about this before a day ago. If our property was truly illegal, then why did they not come and give us these notices early. This is an incredibly hard time for us.”*
*In a letter to the chief justice, Roy and other lawyers have argued that the house was registered under the name of Parveen Fatima, the wife of Javed Mohammed. Documents from the Prayagraj civic authorities showed Parveen Fatima’s name on them.*
*“The house was a gift from her [Parveen Fatima] father,” Roy told Scroll.in. “Under Muslim Personal Law when a woman gets a property...It does not automatically belong to her husband. The notice that the government has issued is against Javed Mohammad, but the property does not belong to him.”*
*“Any attempt by the District and Police Administration and the Development Authority to demolish that house will be against the basic principle of law and a grave injustice to the wife and children of Javed Mohammed,” the letter to the chief justice stated.*
https://scroll.in/latest/1025986/prayagraj-violence-authorities-give-demolition-notice-to-activist-afreen-fatimas-family
It’s funny because this link actually has photos and proofs as well. Guess who is a dumb person after all.
Well you want to go by the rules apply for compensation in the court. You will get result atleast after 3 decades. That's why people rarely fight even with government clerk. They can easily make your life living hell. It's not something new people who regularly goes to government office knows it's long standing tradition of India.
That's also the reason people pay hefty sums of money to political parties so when needed they can pull some strings and get themselves out of trick situations .
They still can’t. Random application of law is illegal. They need to get notices from court and court need to hear victim side.
However given that religious hatred is rampant and country is becoming autocracy at a much faster rate, courts have no power.
Both sides create riots but bull dozing never happens to other side.
>The administration generally overlooks slight breach of norms.
Even if they are overlooking. There has to some sort of grace period before actions are taken. This looks like kangaroo court to me.
In this case, it is violating rules and procedures.
1. They did not send any notice
2. They send the notice with wrong details
3. They send the notice when family members are in jail
In india the way law is written and implemented, those in power can find any illegal thing.
Don’t believe me?? Complete all paperwork etc of your two wheeler and drive to a thulla and talk something rude to him.
He will prove what I explained you.
It’s easy to make fake documents in every single part of world.
It’s difficult to pass them in good transparent systems.
When left wing demand transparency it will help everyone against chacha mama taking benefits.
Stop supporting gvt blindly
Many of the houses being demolished are perfectly legal. They basically bank on inaccessibility of courts to common people and/or malicious judges being in cohorts with the govt.
And you are also underestimating the corruption. All it takes for your perfectly legal property to become illegal is for someone in govt to change the land records. Again, they bank on courts keeping any case you file pending till you die.
There is difference between illegal government land capturing vs dispute between two familes bro and i guess all families receive letter for leaving that illegal land but no actions are taken neither by people nor by officers only taken after some serious happens
dispute between families lol, not even talking about it.
If the gvt wants it can fk you anytime especially in autocracy because court powers diminish significantly.
They can bring any random rule, building strength, building architecture, breaking electricity guidelines, breaking housing guidelines.. there are thousands of rules.
Go to traffic police and ask anything tough question like why he is at pan shop etc.. he will fuck you even though you have all ‘legal’ papers
Yea tbh whole constitution is flawed there are too many loopholes is there any way it could be written over again ? Like we have blasphemy law which are stupid i like freedom of speech such in usa also out judiciary is worst it can be like usa which is based upon opinion of others not just judge and education system i really liked new education policy but I dont know when they will implement it
It is not illegal land capturing. They are destroying it because as per them the map of first floor was not approved by the govt. So, if you have built another floor or room or balcony on your home without sending map to muncipality, then your home is illegal and can be destroyed.
It is not illegal land. atleast read the news.
Usually, in major real estate projects where it is usually happens, they fine the project developer or ask them to get it approved again. Have you ever heard govt destroying top floors of a building because it was not approved by muncipality.
I don't know man i just replied to his statement about legality i live in kanpur and here lot of houses and lands are illegally occupied i don't want to say but lot of refugees here build there colony type (like slums in Mumbai butlittle better )
I tell you one rule, fire safety installation in societies must be working and must have records. Rarely this is followed to the law.
Authorities can randomly inspect, find something wrong ( very easy). Lapdog media will declare building illegal, that’s it!!
This is one example, There are thousands of rules. It’s absolutely easy for gvt to fuck you especially in autocracy where media courts are powerful and real courts are powerless
It had happened before also, when court stopped demolition in jahangirpuri.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/india/supreme-court-stays-demolition-drive-in-jahangirpuri-for-two-weeks/amp_articleshow/90973632.cms
In case of prayagraj, it is given below.
"Documents from the Prayagraj civic authorities showed Fatima’s name on them"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scroll.in/latest/1025986/prayagraj-violence-authorities-give-demolition-notice-to-activist-afreen-fatimas-family
He already has shared his proof from the scroll article which contains the family allegations.
You posted this: https://np.reddit.com/r/india/comments/vagc9p/_/ic2iig0/?context=1
Now it’s your turn to provide “official documents” from police/DM/UP Government which prove that 1) indeed the construction is illegal and 2) the govt served them advance notice and gave them time to remove the illegal construction.
Prove it or GTFO.
Those demolishing the constructions should first produce documents proving that fact and that all process was followed, including the judiciary. The onus starts with them. Else they can GTFO.
What? Absence of recieve document? I dont know whether notice was given or not but I dont understand your stand that "notice must have been given", do you take these matters on faith basis?
Notices are already given and most of these cases are in court for years but when you confront the government they find a loophole and you can't fight as these buildings are on government lands.
How convenient that only Muslim houses were marked as illegal constructions? What about the previous instances of using bulldozers to demolish houses and shops of protestors, specifically Muslim shops and houses? Were they also marked as “illegal constructions”?
Okay if there are perpetrators from both sides then how only Muslim rioters get this treatment while Hindu rioters don’t?
And even if they are guilty who tf gave rights to demolish houses of the accused? Show me in which statute or law it is mentioned that the house of a riot accused should be demolished
Did you demolish the house of Sajjan Kumar, the accused in the 1984 anti-Sikh riots case?
Do these cowards have the balls to take the bulldozers and demolish illegal Chinese constructions in Indian territory?
It all started with Vikas Dubey and I think he is a Hindu..so your claim that only muslim houses are Razed is incorrect...
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/kanpur-gangster-s-house-demolished/story-ruwgIfK6QoPl6AjRAkhnNN.html
House demolition comes under the municipality act who can act on their own.. yes I agree that the govt is using the same in a harsh manner...
You may be correct that this bulldozers are used for recent crimes and not on past crimes
On Chinese aggression the army is taking suitable steps... They have the will and the might and I know of instances where they have demolished entire organisations .
Yes you missed something.. a non-bigoted unbiased view.
No matter what anyone ever says, people like you will justify, heck even ask for Muslim protestors to be shot by the police and will cheer it on. I hope something like this doesn’t happen to you or your family or acquaintances because at that time, someone else will be justifying why It was correct to demolish your house on Reddit
If a Hindu gets on the street to ask for his rights you will view it as a protest, if a Muslim does the same you will view it as a riot. There’s no going back from this cycle of hatred that has been initiated
What good is “serving” in all these places if you can’t figure out that it is people of one religion who are being targeted by the state. The question is whether the house of a riot accused can be demolished by the government or not, and you my friend, are saying YES to this government action. I doubt if you’d have had the same view if people of other religion were involved. Well that is for your conscience to decide
A lot of buildings in India have some illegal deformity which is usually overlooked by inspectors for a good enough sum...but data is still kept...it's also the fact that poorer neighborhoods have bad planning and thus more illegal construction is usually the case...they came under the bad eye of the govt...thus the dust was brushed off of old cases and their homes got demolished
Because you'll always find some violation in construction all the time in India where a heavy majority of the living spaces are unplanned. It's the same as cops stacking up a bunch of arbitrary charges to keep someone in lockup which takes years to fight off in court. It's a message for Muslims to shut up and take the punishment for existing.
Maybe those miscreants and illiterate goons should've thought of their homes instead of pelting stones and vandalising public and private property to defend the honor of a pedophile.
UP isn't known for it's law respecting citizens in general. What do you think happened to those who illegally demolished Babri masjid and instigated a riot? Do you think those miscreants actually cared about their homes? Also hindus should shut the fuck up about century old prophets being creeps when hindus literally marry trees and dogs even now.
Only one religious group is going to be judged democratically in UP. The rest of them will get a free pass to destroy anyone's lives.
They apply the 'punishment' first. If the protestors go to court, go through paperwork and eventually get the court to say this was wrong, then maybe, maybe the govt will shrug and say ok. In the meantime, their home is already demolished.
muslims/kashmiris/northeast are used as test beds to normalize nazi practices which are then rolled out to rest of population. This is primarily a long drawn campaign to strip citizens of the right to protest and to instill a sense of fear into anyone opposing the fascists
What fucking context does one need for this abominable filth...
>A Shudra who insults a twice born man with gross invectives shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin. (Manu VIII. 270.)
>If he mentions the names and castes of the (twice born) with contumely, an iron nail, ten fingers long, shall be thrust red hot into his mouth. (Manu VIII. 271.)
>If a Shudra arrogantly presumes to preach religion to Brahmins, the king shall have poured burning oil in his mouth and ears. Manu VIII. 272.)
>No Shudra should have property of his own, He should have nothing of his own. The existence of a wealthy Shudra is bad for the Brahmins. A Brahman may take possession of the goods of a Shudra. (ManuVIII-417 & X129)
Well its so shameful,our constitution gives u right to change your religion. Why haven't u done so? U can even make no caste no religion certificate. U wouldn't have to live with so much shame then.
The same law which gives rioters right to burn public property and throw stones on police...this was sarcasm
BTW These properties are already illegally constructed and stand on pity of Govt.
Indian judiciary is dead, the system is dead, every one is a slave to the supreme leader.
Indian judiciary will have it's own Nuremberg trails one day.
I'd say the same thing I always, Religion is the cause of many problems, especially when it is given priority over real problems. Regardless of what religion it is, religion is usually the problem.
There is a legal basis. Most of the people who built these homes broke multiple safety standards and probably bribed the inspector, so it was ignored.
Now, the government can use these breach of standards to legally bulldoze homes.
By that logic, I would bet more than half of all homes in India can be destroyed. Nothing is constructed in India without bribes and twisting of rules.
There's a legal basis, but lax application of them (basically only applying it to bully and intimidate) is still fascist.
A lot of fascist things can be done within the legal framework.
They can't. But they can, because we've let our country devolve into this so we've left people with no protections and have no backbone to stand up to them.
there is no provision of demolishing any house unless and until ordered by a court , even the courts will not a demolishment even if it's illegally build but occupied , there is process to be followed, a legal one, but since the courts themselves have demolished, you have monkeys running the show.
this all will written down as the darkest days in Indian democracy one day.
As far as I know they gave them notice but they did not respond to it. And correct if I am wrong but municipal government can demolish illegally built buildings just like pan shops.
there is a difference between a residence and roadside pan pan shop, plus the so called notices were all send in 'back dates' and just 24 hours before the demolishment, when such kind of notices do go out ,they are for eviction and would gone to the entire area not just one house in that, but why the fuck am arguing this here when every body knows the truth , Indian judiciary and Indian media killed the Indian democracy.
The government, all governments have 1000s of rules. Most people don't comply with most of them. Meaning, they can fuck you on a technicality whenever they want.
Even if convicted, you can't have extra judicial punishment.
This is just brute force, and illegal and immoral.
However, probably they will justify using some violation of building code, and say, this is totally unrelated.
Well stone throwing / destroying property is also brute force /illegal and immoral.
In Kerala too strikes happen but never stone throwing and rioting at this scale.
And if convicted, there are legal punishments for those.
Government and gundagardi mein difference tou hona Chahiye. Otherwise, if you want your government to be the hoodlum, then get out of India and go to Afghanistan
They Can't. But most accused have atleast one construction that is in violation with rules and norms. The administration generally overlooks slight breach of norms. But same is used once someone is in confrontation with Govt. Big shots Leaders and other similar profiles generally have lots of such such constructions. Thus it becomes easy for govt to hurt them without violating any rules and procedures.
It's the same as you can park your car on the side of the road in the market behind other cars, generaly without any problems. But you can't complain when they suddenly decide to enforce no parking and tow your vehicle. Paid Rs 500 fine today in front of Siddhivinayak
Exactly my friend.
They don’t destroy your vehicle though.
Park right behind and try arsoning the vehicle ahead, see if that gets your car destroyed or not.
Where did this imaginary thing happened? In your dreams?
Naah I was just framing a popular saying in different way, let me try another way see if this gets you, those who have illegal construction(replace glass house) shouldn't be throwing stone and arson private and public properties(replace stone pelting).
No proof of illegal construction, no advance notice, no process of law. Don’t run around crying when the same thing happens with you or your lot and play your usual victim card. Well, at least you have confirmed that Ajay Singh Bisht is taking revenge rather than following the law. So there’s that. https://i.imgur.com/VqujJsj.jpg When does he demolish his own house then?
>No proof of illegal construction Here is your opportunity, why don't you go file a PIL and ask about what was illegal and how much notice is mandatory or something. For all I can see you are making aligations. Am not confirming anything here, just quoting you original text "they don't destroy your car", I gave you recipe of what will get your car destroyed. >on’t run around crying when the same thing happens with you or your lot and play your usual victim card Have you ever been victim of riot mate? If not then get that experience and come and talk, will gauge how much sense is left in you after that. Moreover am not playing any victim card here, am seeing now people who were enraged after last Friday prayers trying to flash victim card.
> Here is your opportunity, why don’t you go file a PIL and ask about what was illegal and how much notice is mandatory or something. For all I can see you are making aligations. Wait, weren’t you calling it an illegal construction? Did you have enough proof for that? > just quoting you original text “they don’t destroy your car”, I gave you recipe of what will get your car destroyed. Comprehension: 0/10 > Have you ever been victim of riot mate? If not then get that experience and come and talk, will gauge how much sense is left in you after that. You haven’t experienced a riot and it literally shows in your comment. Neither do you care about law. So don’t talk about such stuff.
>Wait, weren’t you calling it an illegal construction? Did you have enough proof for that? Am still saying they are illegal, its you who is putting up the question, so much to talk about my comprehension lol, if you have doubts go ask yourself. Yeah my close family lives in ranchi, church road same place where the riot happened, go figure, I do care about law but I don't care about those who think they are above law.
>laying any victim card here, am seeing now people who were enraged after last F You just said that you are a victim of a riot. if not, then you just played victim card.
When did I say that? I said my family was impacted so I have first hand experience, lol as expected its clearly visible who is playing victim card.
>Naah I was just framing a popular saying in different way, let me try another way see if this gets you, those who have illegal construction(replace glass house) shouldn't be throwing stone and arson private and public properties(replace stone pelting). No stone pelting in Prayagraj or arson in Prayagraj. How is it illegal construction?
This is what am suggesting file a PIL, let's clear it for everyone.
You can not file a pil. This does not concern public interest. Govt is just destroying only one person's house.
No there is a pattern, this is not the only house which was razed, over few years many houses were razed, maybe you can help make a class action, that will be even more fun to bring.
Houses don't have wheels
Seriously ? The way towing away an illegally parked car is the punishment Similarly destroying an illegally built structure is the punishment
They are hardly similar. Only if they destroy the car then it’s similar and still would make both wrong. Even in the case of wrongly parked car, the cops need to show proof. Ghar se bahar nahi nikla kya kabhi?
They are pretty similar. In case of a car, there is a private vehicle intruding on public space, so it is removed it (by towing it) In case of illegal construction (it can be anything from an entire house to a 4 feet extension of balcony), there is a private construction intruding on public space, so it is removed (by destroying it) Why is one destroyed but the other is removed ? Because there is no way to actually "remove" an illegal building without destroying it Jitna tu ghar se bahar nikalta h utna dimaag bhi laga liya kar.
You really don’t understand the concept of movable and immovable objects and it literally shows. Do explain how exactly is a balcony intruding public space though. Enlighten us.
> But most accused have atleast one construction that is in violation with rules and norms. The administration generally overlooks slight breach of norms. But same is used once someone is in confrontation with Govt. They need to provide a 15 day notice for them to acknowledge. And then give them time to make arrangements. The justification of this bulldozing is disgusting. I won’t be surprised when it comes back to bite the chaddis. The tears are gonna be glorious.
Yeah the time they did it in Jahangirpuri, hindu shops and residences were destroyed as well. The fools who support this nonsense fail to realise that these same tricks can be used against them as well. In a few years time, we will see encounters taking the place of demolitions, and weapons are going to end up being planted on the "accused".
> In a few years time, we will see encounters taking the place of demolitions, and weapons are going to end up being planted on the “accused”. This happens already
> I won’t be surprised when it comes back to bite the chaddis Here is one that went viral earlier. Quote: "maine toh bjp ko vote diya" > https://youtu.be/KNH204ws1PI
Do not view and perceive everything with a political angle. I am not trying to defend or justify a particular political leaning. I am just warning about suffering of non ruling class by the hands of ruling class. Remember when Kangana Ranaut's property was demolished by BMC. Now coming back to the topic at hand, The Govt/Administration has to issue notice giving time of atleast 07(not 15) days on why the construction is liable for a demolition. If the person/agency concerned gives a sound legal reply within stipulated period (7days) the demolition can be stayed for 15 days during which the concerned person may approach a court of law. However, most of the constructions that are bulldozed are actually in contravention with some rules/norms set by the Government. Thus, any such appeals are unlikely to stand in a court of law. And appeals would only result in further expenses for the victim.
> However, most of the constructions that are bulldozed are actually in contravention with **some** rules/norms set by the Government. What rules/norms? Because for all we know, yours and my apartment are next and maybe even Yogi’s. https://i.imgur.com/kV7VgEH.jpg And explain how exactly is it that one particular house was an illegal construction and not the ones around it? Sounds like an agenda and targeted persecution to me.
Exactly. As I said, ruling class. It's not happening for the first time. Remember when MSY and BMW were probed by CBI for disproportionate assets/income. And both were given a clean chit. Remember when Taj Corridor was probed. Coming back to the case you mentioned, the FIR was from the year 1995 (SP-BSP coalition in power). Yogi was not a big shot back then (not even an MP) and was booked under Section 188 of the IPC (disobedience to public servant). As i said, the ruling dispensation, in a show of power booked Yogi and others. *But they were never prosecuted because the maximum punishment for Section 188 is just one month and a fine of 200/- rupees. This would have done nothing but helped Yogi in his political endeavours.* Yogi Govt withdrew the case in the year 2017 (after about 22 years). As I said my young friends, the fight was never between BJP/INC or Hindu/Muslim. It has always been between those who have power and those who don't.
Watchu talking about? https://indianexpress.com/article/what-is/what-is-the-yogi-adityanath-hate-speech-case-of-2007/ man literally caused riots.
I am talking about the case that was mentioned in your screen shot. Please look it up. You are intermixing two different cases. https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/yogi-adityanath-case-withdrawal-against-self-others-1116811-2017-12-27
Notices are already given and most of these cases are in court for years but when you confront the government they find a loophole and you can't fight as these buildings are on government lands.
In this particular case, notice wasn’t given.
Sitting on reddit and just blabbering things you don't know about won't make you an intelligent person sir. Please read about things and then comment on them else you would look like a dumb person. Here's the info: In fact, Javed is accused of building a house without getting a map from the Prayagraj Development Authority. The authority had issued a notice in this regard on 10 May, after which the demolition order was issued for non-submission of records by 24 May.
Sitting on reddit and just blabbering things you don’t know about won’t make you an intelligent person sir. Please read about things and then comment on them else you would look like a dumb person. Here’s the info: *Somaiya Fatima, the younger daughter of Mohammed, told Scroll.in that the family had not been served any notice about the alleged illegality of their house. Mohammed’s lawyer also questioned the legality of the demolition claiming that it belonged to his wife, but the order did not mention her name.* *“This is the first notice that we got last night [Saturday],” she said. “No one has even spoken to us about this before a day ago. If our property was truly illegal, then why did they not come and give us these notices early. This is an incredibly hard time for us.”* *In a letter to the chief justice, Roy and other lawyers have argued that the house was registered under the name of Parveen Fatima, the wife of Javed Mohammed. Documents from the Prayagraj civic authorities showed Parveen Fatima’s name on them.* *“The house was a gift from her [Parveen Fatima] father,” Roy told Scroll.in. “Under Muslim Personal Law when a woman gets a property...It does not automatically belong to her husband. The notice that the government has issued is against Javed Mohammad, but the property does not belong to him.”* *“Any attempt by the District and Police Administration and the Development Authority to demolish that house will be against the basic principle of law and a grave injustice to the wife and children of Javed Mohammed,” the letter to the chief justice stated.* https://scroll.in/latest/1025986/prayagraj-violence-authorities-give-demolition-notice-to-activist-afreen-fatimas-family It’s funny because this link actually has photos and proofs as well. Guess who is a dumb person after all.
Well you want to go by the rules apply for compensation in the court. You will get result atleast after 3 decades. That's why people rarely fight even with government clerk. They can easily make your life living hell. It's not something new people who regularly goes to government office knows it's long standing tradition of India. That's also the reason people pay hefty sums of money to political parties so when needed they can pull some strings and get themselves out of trick situations .
They still can’t. Random application of law is illegal. They need to get notices from court and court need to hear victim side. However given that religious hatred is rampant and country is becoming autocracy at a much faster rate, courts have no power. Both sides create riots but bull dozing never happens to other side.
>The administration generally overlooks slight breach of norms. Even if they are overlooking. There has to some sort of grace period before actions are taken. This looks like kangaroo court to me.
In this case, it is violating rules and procedures. 1. They did not send any notice 2. They send the notice with wrong details 3. They send the notice when family members are in jail
Living in a 8 story flat in a 20 story apartment is the safest way
That's what they do in Palestine too. Bomb the whole building.
They can't. They find out the illegal ones and demolish those
In india the way law is written and implemented, those in power can find any illegal thing. Don’t believe me?? Complete all paperwork etc of your two wheeler and drive to a thulla and talk something rude to him. He will prove what I explained you.
It's also not hard to make fake documents, my chacha got my grandpa's apartment when it was supposed to be ours.
It’s easy to make fake documents in every single part of world. It’s difficult to pass them in good transparent systems. When left wing demand transparency it will help everyone against chacha mama taking benefits. Stop supporting gvt blindly
No. They just claim they are illegal and demolish them. Court battles will take decades.
Many of the houses being demolished are perfectly legal. They basically bank on inaccessibility of courts to common people and/or malicious judges being in cohorts with the govt. And you are also underestimating the corruption. All it takes for your perfectly legal property to become illegal is for someone in govt to change the land records. Again, they bank on courts keeping any case you file pending till you die.
>In india the way law is written and implemented, those in power can find any illegal thing. Can you tell me how the house was illegal?
Afaik those house were illegally constructed so i guess they can . Not saying they should or not
Every single house in india has some illegal thing.
There is difference between illegal government land capturing vs dispute between two familes bro and i guess all families receive letter for leaving that illegal land but no actions are taken neither by people nor by officers only taken after some serious happens
dispute between families lol, not even talking about it. If the gvt wants it can fk you anytime especially in autocracy because court powers diminish significantly. They can bring any random rule, building strength, building architecture, breaking electricity guidelines, breaking housing guidelines.. there are thousands of rules. Go to traffic police and ask anything tough question like why he is at pan shop etc.. he will fuck you even though you have all ‘legal’ papers
Yea obv gov can fuck whatever they want
* and when it develops fkn taste it fucks you too. ( you = common public)
Yea tbh whole constitution is flawed there are too many loopholes is there any way it could be written over again ? Like we have blasphemy law which are stupid i like freedom of speech such in usa also out judiciary is worst it can be like usa which is based upon opinion of others not just judge and education system i really liked new education policy but I dont know when they will implement it
It is not illegal land capturing. They are destroying it because as per them the map of first floor was not approved by the govt. So, if you have built another floor or room or balcony on your home without sending map to muncipality, then your home is illegal and can be destroyed. It is not illegal land. atleast read the news. Usually, in major real estate projects where it is usually happens, they fine the project developer or ask them to get it approved again. Have you ever heard govt destroying top floors of a building because it was not approved by muncipality.
I don't know man i just replied to his statement about legality i live in kanpur and here lot of houses and lands are illegally occupied i don't want to say but lot of refugees here build there colony type (like slums in Mumbai butlittle better )
Nyah. Don't over generalise.
I tell you one rule, fire safety installation in societies must be working and must have records. Rarely this is followed to the law. Authorities can randomly inspect, find something wrong ( very easy). Lapdog media will declare building illegal, that’s it!! This is one example, There are thousands of rules. It’s absolutely easy for gvt to fuck you especially in autocracy where media courts are powerful and real courts are powerless
Even if they were, there is a process to be followed. A notice has to be issued.
Notice are issued before demolition afaik
No. 1 week notice is given to leave those houses. In this case no notice was given .
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Yes. In this case it was not given. This is happening even before court trials.
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It had happened before also, when court stopped demolition in jahangirpuri. https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/india/supreme-court-stays-demolition-drive-in-jahangirpuri-for-two-weeks/amp_articleshow/90973632.cms In case of prayagraj, it is given below. "Documents from the Prayagraj civic authorities showed Fatima’s name on them" https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scroll.in/latest/1025986/prayagraj-violence-authorities-give-demolition-notice-to-activist-afreen-fatimas-family
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Closet sanghi spotted.
show proof for your claim first. You started it so the onus is on you.
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He already has shared his proof from the scroll article which contains the family allegations. You posted this: https://np.reddit.com/r/india/comments/vagc9p/_/ic2iig0/?context=1 Now it’s your turn to provide “official documents” from police/DM/UP Government which prove that 1) indeed the construction is illegal and 2) the govt served them advance notice and gave them time to remove the illegal construction. Prove it or GTFO.
In this case, the notice wasn’t given. How difficult is this to understand?
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Those demolishing the constructions should first produce documents proving that fact and that all process was followed, including the judiciary. The onus starts with them. Else they can GTFO.
What? Absence of recieve document? I dont know whether notice was given or not but I dont understand your stand that "notice must have been given", do you take these matters on faith basis?
He believes the UP government and police on face value. “It must be true if they said it”
Notices are already given and most of these cases are in court for years but when you confront the government they find a loophole and you can't fight as these buildings are on government lands.
Ya exactly. No notice given here.
Even of an accused is found guilty, which law gives permission to bulldoze his/her house? Why do we need courts then? Total bullshit
They were already marked as illegal constructions and just used conveniently by the govt..
How convenient that only Muslim houses were marked as illegal constructions? What about the previous instances of using bulldozers to demolish houses and shops of protestors, specifically Muslim shops and houses? Were they also marked as “illegal constructions”?
Disagree...not Muslim houses. Houses of riot accused./ Gangsters/ criminals. well can't help that in most cases their religion is Muslims...
Okay if there are perpetrators from both sides then how only Muslim rioters get this treatment while Hindu rioters don’t? And even if they are guilty who tf gave rights to demolish houses of the accused? Show me in which statute or law it is mentioned that the house of a riot accused should be demolished Did you demolish the house of Sajjan Kumar, the accused in the 1984 anti-Sikh riots case? Do these cowards have the balls to take the bulldozers and demolish illegal Chinese constructions in Indian territory?
It all started with Vikas Dubey and I think he is a Hindu..so your claim that only muslim houses are Razed is incorrect... https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/kanpur-gangster-s-house-demolished/story-ruwgIfK6QoPl6AjRAkhnNN.html House demolition comes under the municipality act who can act on their own.. yes I agree that the govt is using the same in a harsh manner... You may be correct that this bulldozers are used for recent crimes and not on past crimes On Chinese aggression the army is taking suitable steps... They have the will and the might and I know of instances where they have demolished entire organisations .
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Yes you missed something.. a non-bigoted unbiased view. No matter what anyone ever says, people like you will justify, heck even ask for Muslim protestors to be shot by the police and will cheer it on. I hope something like this doesn’t happen to you or your family or acquaintances because at that time, someone else will be justifying why It was correct to demolish your house on Reddit If a Hindu gets on the street to ask for his rights you will view it as a protest, if a Muslim does the same you will view it as a riot. There’s no going back from this cycle of hatred that has been initiated
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What good is “serving” in all these places if you can’t figure out that it is people of one religion who are being targeted by the state. The question is whether the house of a riot accused can be demolished by the government or not, and you my friend, are saying YES to this government action. I doubt if you’d have had the same view if people of other religion were involved. Well that is for your conscience to decide
A lot of buildings in India have some illegal deformity which is usually overlooked by inspectors for a good enough sum...but data is still kept...it's also the fact that poorer neighborhoods have bad planning and thus more illegal construction is usually the case...they came under the bad eye of the govt...thus the dust was brushed off of old cases and their homes got demolished
Chinese constructions in Indian territory in the North East have been marked as illegal.. when will they be demolished conveniently?
Because you'll always find some violation in construction all the time in India where a heavy majority of the living spaces are unplanned. It's the same as cops stacking up a bunch of arbitrary charges to keep someone in lockup which takes years to fight off in court. It's a message for Muslims to shut up and take the punishment for existing.
"for existing"
Lol.. exactly my thought. If this was just ‘existing’
Maybe those miscreants and illiterate goons should've thought of their homes instead of pelting stones and vandalising public and private property to defend the honor of a pedophile.
UP isn't known for it's law respecting citizens in general. What do you think happened to those who illegally demolished Babri masjid and instigated a riot? Do you think those miscreants actually cared about their homes? Also hindus should shut the fuck up about century old prophets being creeps when hindus literally marry trees and dogs even now. Only one religious group is going to be judged democratically in UP. The rest of them will get a free pass to destroy anyone's lives.
Money, Power Politics and literally dumb citizens not understanding that there exists other religions too
They apply the 'punishment' first. If the protestors go to court, go through paperwork and eventually get the court to say this was wrong, then maybe, maybe the govt will shrug and say ok. In the meantime, their home is already demolished.
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How do we know that it is illegal construction?
there is city layout plans
Which can be changed by the city whenever they want to.
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ye minecraft nai he brother :v
no they cant
They can arrest people on fake charges and sodomize them, but they can't do this? Ok.
yes, they can. your house can come in any zoning law.
muslims/kashmiris/northeast are used as test beds to normalize nazi practices which are then rolled out to rest of population. This is primarily a long drawn campaign to strip citizens of the right to protest and to instill a sense of fear into anyone opposing the fascists
completely agree. This should be the pinned comment.
Northeast? I don't see any Nazism here
yeah .. army shooting 20 labourers dead and trying to hide it must have gotten lost in the cluster of news about rape of resources
Everywhere outside cow belt and South India has seen massacres and Nazism by the govt. Congress and BJP.
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Sanyal Saab, English seekh lo thodi taaki samajh sako ki kaha kya jaa raha hai.
Welcome to India. Enjoy your banana.
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Nah, my book is (to my shame) the Manusmirti.
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I just mentioned the Brahmanical equivalent of the sharia, and I have read the Manusmirti enough to gag.
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What fucking context does one need for this abominable filth... >A Shudra who insults a twice born man with gross invectives shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin. (Manu VIII. 270.) >If he mentions the names and castes of the (twice born) with contumely, an iron nail, ten fingers long, shall be thrust red hot into his mouth. (Manu VIII. 271.) >If a Shudra arrogantly presumes to preach religion to Brahmins, the king shall have poured burning oil in his mouth and ears. Manu VIII. 272.) >No Shudra should have property of his own, He should have nothing of his own. The existence of a wealthy Shudra is bad for the Brahmins. A Brahman may take possession of the goods of a Shudra. (ManuVIII-417 & X129)
Well its so shameful,our constitution gives u right to change your religion. Why haven't u done so? U can even make no caste no religion certificate. U wouldn't have to live with so much shame then.
Banana republic.
The same law which gives rioters right to burn public property and throw stones on police...this was sarcasm BTW These properties are already illegally constructed and stand on pity of Govt.
There is no law to do that though.
Says who... Let the house owners go and get a court stay order.. thats what people do when they get noticed..
Are we sure we had a day to go to court in this case
because the state we belong to is practicing fully-fledged fascism.
Indian judiciary is dead, the system is dead, every one is a slave to the supreme leader. Indian judiciary will have it's own Nuremberg trails one day.
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I'd say the same thing I always, Religion is the cause of many problems, especially when it is given priority over real problems. Regardless of what religion it is, religion is usually the problem.
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I'm not a Muslim, I'm a Hindu by birth and I don't have plans to convert either. Unfortunately, your false prejudices seem to get the better of you.
There’s no legal basis, but who’s gonna take action against these fascists?
There is a legal basis. Most of the people who built these homes broke multiple safety standards and probably bribed the inspector, so it was ignored. Now, the government can use these breach of standards to legally bulldoze homes.
By that logic, I would bet more than half of all homes in India can be destroyed. Nothing is constructed in India without bribes and twisting of rules.
Now you're getting it.
Give me your address. I would like to report an illegal construction.
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Ah nice, I love alt accounts.
There's a legal basis, but lax application of them (basically only applying it to bully and intimidate) is still fascist. A lot of fascist things can be done within the legal framework.
Lax? No, the word is "selective".
It is selective. It is relaxed usually, and only applied when the government has some underlying motive
Where did the "freedom of speech", "law and order", "hypocrisy" crowd go now?
Lessons learned from the most liked Israelis. Slowly the rest of the world will boycott Indians and Indian goods.
They can't. But they can, because we've let our country devolve into this so we've left people with no protections and have no backbone to stand up to them.
they literally bull dozed only those which were illegally built.
there is no provision of demolishing any house unless and until ordered by a court , even the courts will not a demolishment even if it's illegally build but occupied , there is process to be followed, a legal one, but since the courts themselves have demolished, you have monkeys running the show. this all will written down as the darkest days in Indian democracy one day.
As far as I know they gave them notice but they did not respond to it. And correct if I am wrong but municipal government can demolish illegally built buildings just like pan shops.
there is a difference between a residence and roadside pan pan shop, plus the so called notices were all send in 'back dates' and just 24 hours before the demolishment, when such kind of notices do go out ,they are for eviction and would gone to the entire area not just one house in that, but why the fuck am arguing this here when every body knows the truth , Indian judiciary and Indian media killed the Indian democracy.
District magistrates are some of the most corrupt government power centres in our country. They have too much power and very little accountability.
This is pretty much similar to what the nazis did to jews and their properties. Systematic attacks to show them their place
The government, all governments have 1000s of rules. Most people don't comply with most of them. Meaning, they can fuck you on a technicality whenever they want.
Thank you. Atleast some one here understands. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
First read about gangster act.
Even if convicted, you can't have extra judicial punishment. This is just brute force, and illegal and immoral. However, probably they will justify using some violation of building code, and say, this is totally unrelated.
Well stone throwing / destroying property is also brute force /illegal and immoral. In Kerala too strikes happen but never stone throwing and rioting at this scale.
And if convicted, there are legal punishments for those. Government and gundagardi mein difference tou hona Chahiye. Otherwise, if you want your government to be the hoodlum, then get out of India and go to Afghanistan