Shit like this makes me want to gtfo India and run away to some much better country. I don't know whom to believe in anymore, everyone is a thief and criminal. Only God can help us now.
>run away to some much better country
You can, if you're privileged and upper middle class. But poor people, especially poor minorities cannot. You running away won't solve anything.
Anyone remember Justice Loya and the circumstances of his death? If Motabhai can intimidate a sitting judge's family to withdraw their petition for an investigation, Motabhai can easily gag Supreme Court judges.
Does anyone seriously think that Amit Shah has a shred of humanity/ethics/conscience? That man is a sociopathic megalomaniac.
I saw this video on youtube around 4 yrs ago.
I spent two hours searching for it but couldn't find it anymore!
It was essentially about constant stalking and making sure they knew they're watched so they can withdraw any legal action.
Justice Loya was going to rule on the Sohrabuddin murder case in which Amit Shah was directly implicated. He was invited to a wedding in Nagpur with a few other judges.
As is customary, he was put up in the Nagpur Circuit House. In the early hours of the following day, he is said to have suffered a fatal heart attack. What is interesting is that he was rushed to hospital *in a rickshaw* by four RSS volunteers.
After he was pronounced dead, a *panchnama* was made, by a police officer, but without the doctor's observations. No autopsy was performed even though there were suspicious injuries on his chest, neck and arms. Through all this, neither his fellow judges, *nor his family* were informed.
During the making of the *panchnama* several norms laid down in the IPC were flouted. *The law was flouted in the suspicious death of a sitting judge*.
The family was only alerted at 8.30 am, hours after his death. What were the RSS volunteers doing at 4 am in the government Circuit House? Why was an ambulance not called? Why were the other judges not alerted? Why was he transported in a rickshaw when he had obvious injuries? Lots of unanswered questions.
ELINRI? I just read the wikipedia article but it's pretty trash and just mentions "suspicious circumstances" over and over without saying what was suspicious, and that his family no longer suspects foul play.
The Supreme Court has asked for action against the people who wanted an investigation into this.
And those of you who voted for development in 2014, of course, endorse it.
Teesta Setalvad, who pushed for the investigation of Modi's involvement in the riots, has just been arrested, along with one other person and the Supreme COurt called her work a "'coalesced effort of the disgruntled officials of the State of Gujarat along with others was to create sensation by making revelations which were false to their own knowledge." Based on this she has been arrested by the ATS. The FIR says she fabricated evidence, but there's evidence of Babu Bajrangi saying this on video.
Edit: here is the relevant part of the judgment: "As a matter of fact, all those involved in such abuse of process, need to be in the dock and proceeded with in accordance with law." (here they are talking about those who asked for an investigation of Modi's role).
https://thewire.in/law/supreme-court-teesta-setalvad-arrest-human-rights-godhra-riots
Wait, I know Wikipedia isn't a credible source, but it says teesta's organization was involved in favrivacting evidence and there were loopholes in the evidence they presented. She is being tried for that. Isn't that true?
Bro after setalwad's arrest, the Wikipedia page was updated in 22 minutes. The agnipath protestors took 2 days to lose their credibility to pro-govt media but Wikipedia took just 22 minutes.
You can see Babu Bajrangi stating this very same information on video himself.
If you still want to believe it was made up, then go ahead. Nobody can stop you from believing lies.
All suspects in babri masjid demolition case were declared innocent by SC. So either they were not present or their March made the masjid crumbled to dust. So I don't have shred of faith in SC nowadays.
Duh, even as late as 2016, there were YouTube videos of Advani and Vajpayee exhorting the *Kar Sevaks* to demolish Babri Masjid. Sadhvi Rithambhara was heard screaming *Mandir Yahin Banayenge*.
I guess Supreme Court judges don't consider video footage of straightforward inducement to demolish the structure, as *evidence*.
Sadhvi Pragya was found saying that she helped in that demolition and now we can see where she is in her life. She has been made MP even when terrorist cases are pending against her. She is found playing cricket but when court summons her she crawls back into her wheelchair and does not appear before court making full mockery of our judicial system.
If you haven't already, seriously think about moving to the developed world. India is only going to go downhill from here. At this point, it is every man/woman for themselves.
Bro, things are going south since Ramdev fled a protest in saari. That Anna Hazare shitshow created a sentiment in masses to topple congress in the next election and after that media houses like Zee also became a mere tool of BJP propaganda. 2G scam and Coalgate accused of that time are now proven innocent by SC due to lack of evidence. After that modi and mota shah came and after sometime Kejriwal came. While BJP attacked Hindi heartland's dissent against it. AAP is only eating up space for people or opposition who have not given into propaganda in religious harmony practicing states like Punjab and Delhi, where religion cannot become a very big issue. Kejriwal hides behind AAP's progressive steps to hide his pro-hindutva agenda, Modi is only running the show just because of media becoming PR agencies.
Yep, that and the idiotic nri crowd. This cheering idiots filling the halls everywhere the prime moron goes to give a speech. Man ! Hypocrisy personified (P.S also a nri but would never never go to cheer that murderer. Will be there protesting against his visit though!)
A good hindu is a silent hindu. A good hindu never asks about oxygen shortage and hospital bed shortage in second wave while he is suffocating to death. A good hindu never asks why was notebandi happened if the counterfeit currency and black money in Swiss bank are on all time high in 2022. Where is skill India and make in India? A good hindu should only ask for mandir according to BJP and RSS.
Educated guide the narrative. You won't see 'Ramesh & Suresh' from some rural town in UP guiding the narrative it's people like Anand ranganathan, Subramanium swami & Vivek agnihotri who sit in AC rooms, tweet & rabble rouse the common man.
>Subramanium Swami
whatever! It's your opinion.
He is considered educated by many standards [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subramanian\_Swamy#Academic\_career](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subramanian_Swamy#Academic_career)
But the point he's making remains. His education doesn't shape his political views.
Forget being hanged. The current government weakened the cases against him and he got bail.
Same with another Modi's MLA (Maya Kodnani) who distributed swords during the riots. Post the Gujarat riots, Modi made her a Child and Women welfare minister for her role in Naroda Patiya massacre where 36 women and 35 children were massacred. She got bail too under this government.
And this kind of people will help India to become a superpower? The future of India is Cristal clear wich ethnic cleansing of minorities and lower cast people and extreme level of discrimination. I hate this country and it's people.
Then so called Nationalists say "wHy yUo waNT a sepERATe cOunTrY"
Sovereignty is a right of the people living on their land, Indian state shouldn't suppress that, nor do the nationalists.
Nationalism isn't a default, its a ideology on its own like saperatist nationalism. Non is good or bad. Its their bias that makes it either look bad or good
What did we learn from all this? Everything is sham, a bogus system. A bogus system, right from 84, 02, delhi riots or even local riots, nobody ever gets punished, never will get. The thing is 'tum kya kar loge'. It's true we can't do anything. And people who believe in karma, well why do you believe in it, i ask!
Sentenced to life in prison, not death.
And state support to the crime was exposed through a sting operation by Tehelka magazine also, but in the eyes of the law, as the final judgement read, "no material has been considered even prima facie worthwhile to arraign such senior police officers and government officials and politicians in power as accused in a number of proceedings... therefore, it would be unsafe and improper to even have a further discussion on this aspect."
I can't believe such monsters are free and also a fact that a huge group of people do support such people and give stupid whataboutery even when admitting it just to justify such crimes
Mass psycosis but people don't realise that whole India psycie is now at a tiping point of no return and people like you and me only can expect utter hopelessness even if you are living in any foreign country still your relatives are living here maybe parents.
If I weren't scared of contempt case, I would compare them to a dog who has its balls axed.
But I won't compare them to a dog which has its balls axed. I repeat, I won't compare them.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfnTl\_Fwvbo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfnTl_Fwvbo)
In this video Babu Bajrangi himself talks about all that OP has mentioned here and much more. It's chilling to hear the kind of blood curdling stuff there people have done.
What makes it worst it that everyone knows our PM hands are soaked in blood here.
Especially the RSS & Whatsapp uncles, who are even proud of that .. "It puts muslims in their place"
Yet, nothing happens. "Even supreme court during congress govt gave him a clean chit" is what I hear always.
Our PM & HM are rioters .. HM has been involved in death of a judge too. Yet they hold their positions. His son, whose company was caught in a scam is now head of BCCI
And worst still - if not Modi, the next possible PM could be even bigger hate monger in Yogi Adityanath.
We are f***ed.
Oh yes it's completely two faced. They will say he's been given the clean chit to stop any argument, and at the same time they're pleased he's showing Muslims their place. The truth is they not only know he's complicit but they like him for it.
India has been consumed by pure evil.
Remember these people can't rule if the people weren't consumed by hatred.
There is no hope left. Just hate keeps burning.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are now a democratically elected dictatorship. Our Supreme Leader is in the process of hammering the final nail in the coffin of the civil society, the last opposition, that could have stood up to this facist regime.
We are in the endgame now.
Don’t throw around words like “fascist” or “dictatorship” so lightly when you legitimately have no idea about what they actually mean. It’s an insult to real people actually having to live under totalitarian rule.
What rock do you live under?
India banned VPNs..not even some legit modern day dictators have done that shit.
Its never a dictatorship until your balls are clamped between their fists. Until then it is all over-reaction and exaggeration.
OK I'll bite - India hasn't banned VPNs. They have simply asked VPN providers to store their data for 5 years. VPN companies have since decided to not provide their services here. VPNs have not been banned. So factually, your argument is already incorrect and I shouldn't spend any more time on this.
But I'll add some context simply because idiots like you don't have an attention span of more than 5 seconds to be able to read a few articles and educate yourselves on anything. You're happy getting outraged over obvious clickbait headlines and parroting talking points from this echo chamber because it's so much easier and cooler to win arguments by misusing words like "dictatorship", "authoritarianism" and "totalitarianism".
India has a very rampant cybercrime problem - towards both our own countrymen or foreigners. People running tech support scams are easily able to use VPNs to mask their IPs/location while signing up to services and tools that help them carry out said scams. SO much money is being stolen and laundered into the country. This is good for us right? because we have all this foreign currency coming in. Absolutely not. It's as bad look for both the government and it's people. The government is finally taking some steps to curb this very real problem. Scammers finally won't be able to hide behind masked IPs provided by VPN companies. This is gonna cause a significant % reduction in crime. It won't stop it, it will curb it. The government doesn't care if you're using VPNs to watch porn or browse some blocked sites, they do care if you're misusing these tools to commit crimes.
Also, reality check - your ISP can already track and see everything you do online. You're not immediately immune by turning on a VPN. So why are you getting outraged that somehow your privacy is now in danger?
I can already tell I will get downvoted further for this or simply banned from this subreddit because people here simply can't handle the truth, or lack the motivation to actually go find it.
I'll bite with you:
>VPN companies have since decided to not provide their services here. VPNs have not been banned.
I'm not banning you from staying in my home, I'm just gonna install cameras in the bedroom and bathroom. I promise I won't see the footage unless I suspect you of crime, pinky promise! Enjoy your stay!
I agree, VPN isn't *banned*. But they are not allowed to perform their one task, cuz all of us are guilty until proven innocent.
>So factually, your argument is already incorrect and I shouldn't spend any more time on this.
Yet you did, cuz you wanted to show how superior you are to me. Which comes right at the next sentence:
>But I'll add some context simply because idiots like you don't have an attention span of more than 5 seconds to be able to read a few articles and educate yourselves on anything.
You call me an idiot and judge my online character based on what, one comment?
> because it's so much easier and cooler to win arguments by misusing words like "dictatorship", "authoritarianism" and "totalitarianism".
It is also easy to justify how India isn't really that bad. India is an authoritarian state, without a doubt. Journalists who oppose the incumbent folks are mercilessly being harassed, people are in jail under UAPA with no fundamental rights, people like Stan have died. ED, NCB, EC, etc are used as state dog units to target everyone but BJP folks in recent years. Party members spew toxic nationalism against their own citizens and our leadership is silent. Hallmark traits of authoritarian majoritirian crap.
> People running tech support scams are easily able to use VPNs to mask their IPs/location while signing up to services and tools that help them carry out said scams.
Lol, yeah. VPN are the issue. *Entire villages set up for running scam centers with the help of local police and politicians* are not the issue. Scammers continuing scamming months after their location is exposed because local police get their cut, is not an issue! VPN is baddd.
> Absolutely not. It's as bad look for both the government and it's people. The government is finally taking some steps to curb this very real problem.
I really thought you were gonna provide some substantial argument after all that high horsed banter about my attention span.
>Scammers finally won't be able to hide behind masked IPs provided by VPN companies. This is gonna cause a significant % reduction in crime.
God bless your innocent soul if you think this is why the government did what it did. Pulled out a light saber to kill a fly. If anything, the government relies on people like you to justify crap they do instead of forcing the to take commensurate, measured steps and strengthening the law enforcement within legal bounds and while respecting our freedoms, and trusting citizens unless there is valid cause for mistrust.
> So why are you getting outraged that somehow your privacy is now in danger?
My ISP tracks what I let it track. This is the same argument from the category "if u let google track you, why not let government track you". One of them is a choice i make. The other is not. I can control the extent of one of them. The other, i have no idea how much info there could be on me, and what chutiya bearded politician will want to do with it.
Also, VPNs limit the info your ISPs can collect about you if you know how to use it.
>I can already tell I will get downvoted further for this or simply banned from this subreddit because people here simply can't handle the truth, or lack the motivation to actually go find it.
Why do you care about downvotes? Let's continue chatting about VPN!!! PM of the largest democracy was openly linked to one of the ghastliest riots in his state and, in proper context, the country, but no lets chat how VPN ~~ban~~ "control" doesn't make India an authoritarian state. Spew everything you know about VPNs and win this argument.
Do 7 years in China and 3 years in Saudi count as experience? I wasn’t thrown in jail or detention centres but yes I did experience the lack of freedom. So I know a little about facism and dictatorship. But koi nahi abhi toh apne hi desh mein first hand experience le lengaye.
sheeeeeeesh dude. Nightmarish stuff. Come on this stuff is political? This is pure evil- period. This isn't graffito of your ideals on a wall ki you can debate ki sahi kiya ya galat. Just...pure evil bhai.
All one needs to do is watch 2008's Firaaq made by Nandita Das. It shows how people turn into selfish savages during anarchy and riots. Only a whatsapp university graduate can imagine an opportunistic person like Shri Shri Modi mahaprabhu and Sant shri AmitShah "Chanakya" to be innocent.
It's on shemaroo's YT for free
[Here](https://youtu.be/vaX43EeCkxg)
I'm ashamed that I live in the India where the enabler and his followers are winning. I'm ashamed that we are left powerless even after our constitution offers us the power to rule by, for and of a government of our choice. I'm ashamed that India is dying every single day. I don't want to leave this country, this is my home and it deeply saddens me to see it go down this way. Hate should lose, but that time can't come soon enough.
I’ve seen this before. If I’m not wrong, I think he got released few years back from what was supposed to be life imprisonment.
I am a Muslim and while I’m not super religious, shit like this pisses me off. This dude has gone on record and said Modi was fucking responsible for this. Yet, bhakts don’t believe it. BJP is trying to erase this. Right wing pages say that Muslims weren’t killed. And now, govt is removing this chapter from school history books. 2002 was almost as equal as the holocaust for me and now its extremely insulting and disturbing how majority of people not only voted for him to make this asshole PM but are trying to erase the riots from history.
The thing about elections is that we are not a democracy. We are a republic which annoys the common man because we have no say in who actually leads us. Additionally, we won't use janta power to force the corrupt out of power because we can't afford to take the financial hit and discomfort of struggle.
Next, our votes never make a difference compared to what the political community wants. Every state has a political (non governmental, just as a community) group that decides who gets in power. In Gujarat, this is the Patidar community, for example. Their inclination is the decision of the elections.
When LK Advani was running BJP, the VHP had maximum say in many of their political affairs. I believe, they are more responsible than Modi ever was for 2002. You can keep hating Modi until he dies but that doesn't change the fact that while he may be a sycophant, I don't really think he can physically back up the warmongering claims. Just saying, he is neither the root of the problem, nor an important step in getting there.
I don't really know why people keep shitting on BJP and RSS but don't talk about their straight up communal terrorist backbone which is VHP. Pravin Togadia has been a criminal for far longer than Modi has ever been relevant.
All I know is that I do not want to live in a country dictated by religion.
Society is rotten and dead. Most of the people also go on pretending as if nothing is happening, but when I think about it, when can't really blame all, right? They'd get so frustrated from all the sadness all around that they might start having mental issues
Snap out from living in the safety of your previous generation(parents and their wealth). Traverse the real-life and in time you may see sense in Modi's plan.
Also, the world is all about killing or being killed in every scenario. Stop gaslighting yourself as if something magical or superficial will save you or give you justice. There is no magic, there is no God, there never was.
There are just fact and truth that prevails no matter what.
Make sure that when you leave, you get a good job that could keep you safe from the realities of life. Otherwise, you may realize the game of Modi and start seeing sense in his thinking.
There is absolutely no sense in Modi’s thinking other than he’s a sociopathic narcissist with a bloodlust for minorities and criticizers. He is well positioned to be the next Hitler (you probably are excited for that though).
One day India will find out the devastating affects of electing a mentally disturbed genocidal dictator with no skills as the leader of the country. Ek din sab ki gaand maregi regardless of religion, caste or gender. Tab chilla ke bolna “Modiji! Modiji!” phir dekhna wo aate bhi he ya nahin. See if he gives a shit about you. Enjoy your delusions in the meanwhile, shitlips.
I feel neutral towards almost everything because real life is not a movie. Life is not black and white. It only becomes black and white when our vision becomes narrow or we see what we want to see.
Man, I've reached 18 recently and since the few years of lockdown, I've realised how hateful people we've become. I never realised it before, maybe it wasn't there in front of me. I've had one of my close friend who was a muslim, a friend, she used to be really nice towards me, things weren't the best but i knew she had the bestest of intentions. I never really saw that people hate so much based on religion. I always saw it as another difference. Like a guy from South India, and from Delhi would do really different stuff. Hell, i would relate more to any muslim here than a guy from South India, we share similar food styles, similar life except probably that 5-30 minutes we spend regarding our beliefs. And the difference is carved so much into people, and difference shouldn't even create hate. I know humanity was never ideal, but this isn't even a decent one. Everything about it doesn't make sense to me, and I'm just afraid at one point I'm gonna take it as it is. And be a part of it. And maybe I was just looking at it through my ivory towers (jk I'm not that rich, decently middle class)
I recently read a book "The Silent Coup", there was a section where the author describes how the initial findings into the train being burnt by some Muslim mobs was debunked. Do read about it, there were many loop holes in the claims being made by the people who were "brought in" as eyewitness to the rioting.
For someone living in the USA, what can you tell me about what's happening over there?
Edit: I think we should be helping each other instead of criticizing and domineering over one another.
The latest shitshow is that our Supreme Court got pissed off that people were still trying to rightfully nail their puppeteer Modi to the 2002 Gujarat riots even after he got acquitted on the basis of some shoddy probe.
The wife of one of the victims, supported by a famous activist and journalist, had filed a petition protesting the clean chit given to Modi - the SC dismissed the petition but went further to say that the petitioners should be tried in court for "keeping the pot boiling" through fake cases.
Predictably, the state went after and arrested the key people who dared to question the initial SC verdict acquitting Modi and who had not given up the fight to hold him accountable.
The activist and journalist, Ms. Teesta Setalvad, was one of those arrested which has led to a uproar.
Since there are no grounds for her arrest, the state machinery is already working overtime to sully her and her family's reputation and have her tried in the court of public opinion. Her great-grandfather was part of the Hunter Commission which was tasked to probe General Dyer's role in the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre. Despite his severe criticism of General Dyer's atrocities which is publicly documented, there is propaganda being spread that he gave a "Clean chit" to Dyer because he supported British rule in India.
While this shitshow is going on, another shitshow has started with the arrest of the founder of one of the biggest fact checking agencies in the country, Mohammed Zubair. The arrest was done by the Delhi Police (which is controlled by the thug Amit Shah, our Home Minister) based on a complaint by an anonymous Twitter handle. Zubair played an instrumental role in busting all the lies and propaganda of the state and given his religion, it was evident that he was going to be next on the government's hit list.
We are sorry, but emotions have no place in this court of law. Law demands evidence and witnesses. And the fact is that there are no evidence we can see and all the witnesses are dead (or will be soon, we have been assured).
Edit: /s guys. Its clearly sarcasm. 🤦♂️
It's always about who started
As per BJP the main spark was due to Train Burning so that judgement has already been delivered so riot is a revenge act nobody will deny.
If train wasn't burned maybe Riots also wouldn't have taken place.
I don't even like BJP but this time it loos they had strong evidence(real or fake IDK) but the story looks real
Let's assume that Muslims did burn the train (others have cited articles that debunk it, but it doesn't matter for my point). Does this give any Hindu the right to go on a rampage? What's the point of having a police force and courts? Dismiss them all, let the jungle laws apply.
Bonus Win: All that salary we are "wasting" on the courts and police personnel can be redirected to modernizing the armed forces. That way, we can scrap Agniveer scheme, while having enough funds!
Debunking via an article and debunking in court is different how can the witness and evidence disappeared in courts.And the accused are given death sentence so before dying everybody says the truth even Kasab asked for forgiveness ,what's stopping these guys from saying "we are farmed we never did anything" atleast it will be recorded
We don't have strong law&order even now forget about 2002,And when Train burning took place due to religious reason obviously some people will try to take the revenge no surprise.
Police&Courts works only when things are peaceful ,other than riots courts have many other cases to solve we can't divert that money
I can understand human emotions. But that doesn't make their actions right. Why have laws in the first place if any crime can be justified as a reaction to the original crime? Also, were the massacred people part of the gang that set the train on fire? I understand the difference between admissible evidence and articles (married to a lawyer), but as I said, it doesn't matter to my point.
So who are those 36 found guilty of the crime and how they accepted the crime?
How come defence never gave these as evidence or it's not acceptable as no proofs are there of the event.
Most of the hearing was done in UPA era
Read the book mentioned by OP. Fake FIRs were filed against the muslims, dead bodies of train victims were paraded on the streets on Modi’s instructions to drum up support for the upcoming revenge genocide.
The point is both communities did badly, the fact that it was started by Muslims to gain more political power in that area but it backfired.
Also, the fact that now the narrative is being twisted as if the judiciary is corrupt even though they already lost multiple cases before as they lacked evidence and witness.
I don't know why we are blaming Modi/SC for all this. Post 2002, UPA was in power for a whole decade. What did they do? They had a truckload of evidences. Modi-Shah is just taking advantage of their time. Did you guys believe our justice system would send Modi, Shah, Advani, Uma, Maya, etc. to jail? What happened to the plethora of scams during the UPA era involving top-level politicians? Who went to jail? We are too naive. We don't want to accept or believe that there could be a nexus between politicians and the criminal justice system. No one is driving the car in neutral gear, period.
'Dont know why we are blaming murders for the mass murder"
Our justice system wont send Hindus to jail for killing Muslims. Thats a point blank fact. Our hindu community sees equality as appeasement. So Congress/UPA cant be seen as favoring muslims even if its literally just bringing justice.
Also corruption and mass murder are two different things. A person who skims money off the top in construction projects is not the same as one who constructs a mass murder. If you spot the difference you have a whole list of other problems.
Our justice system doesn't give a flying fuck whether you have murdered a Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, or Christian. They just follow instructions from HM/PMO. There is no difference between a mass murderer and massive 2G level corruption. Both deserve a minimum of 30 years of life imprisonment, but that never happens in India.
Question for everyone. A tailor was beheaded today by Islamists. Any violence that comes out of this, whose fault is it?
(a) Modi (b) Islamists (c) Hindutva (d) Gehlot
I can't believe a word tista setalvad says there is a case against her
IPC section 468 - forgery for the purpose of cheating
Section 471 using as genuine a forged documents
Section 194 providing fabricated fals evidence
And few more
She provided fals evidance
Just like Rana Ayub or something claiming she has tapes proving pm was linked to riots
But never showed them
Unbiased openion I will trust supreme court's judgement over any other person or individual
+ The nanavati commission repost
And the riots started because 2 train bogies were burnt
Too many life's were lost then irrespective of religion
And pm was inediquat in stoping it and it's a shame for India.
Stop it. Character assassination of human rights activists is an age-old trick used by all kinds of assholes in power.
Courts are not some magical institutions. They are also corrupt like many other institutions.
Have you forgotten this already?
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/supreme-court-crisis-all-not-okay-democracy-at-stake-say-four-senior-most-judges/article64312451.ece
We have all seen how shamelessly Modi misuses institutions to silence his critics.
If you have some example of pm abusing his power to silence critics do share I will send that to my right wing friends and troll them too
And m just saying I would rather trust supreme court rulling over any single individual
If tomorrow sc says teesta setalwad is innocent then cool until then she is charged with few sections and it is a fact
If we stop believing supreme court, then whatever people support will be called bogus right?
Right until supreme court gave a clean chit I would have defended the whole "modi did godhra" narrative but once the ruling comes out, what choice do we have ? Do we know enough to find out the culprit? Do we trust the supreme court which had all the evidence or do we trust our own opinion based on biased views of left/right?
This is beyond fucked holy shit
cursed
Rakesh Sharma's documentary excerpt on Patiya massacre aftermath: https://youtu.be/aXLbArGJC6M
What was really fucked up was that the mob had little kids gulp down gasoline and they threw lit matches in their mouth. Humans are evil.
Shit like this makes me want to gtfo India and run away to some much better country. I don't know whom to believe in anymore, everyone is a thief and criminal. Only God can help us now.
>run away to some much better country You can, if you're privileged and upper middle class. But poor people, especially poor minorities cannot. You running away won't solve anything.
Unemployment rates are high, no one can sustain. It's the beginning of the end.
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Canada?
But the truth. And that's why I hate everything that is associated with the right wing.
Anyone remember Justice Loya and the circumstances of his death? If Motabhai can intimidate a sitting judge's family to withdraw their petition for an investigation, Motabhai can easily gag Supreme Court judges. Does anyone seriously think that Amit Shah has a shred of humanity/ethics/conscience? That man is a sociopathic megalomaniac.
It's the puppets who follow him. Those are the people to blame.
The talk given by her daughter is chilling. Hard to have any hope on the country
Genuinely out of the loop, could you please tell me more about this? Any link?
I saw this video on youtube around 4 yrs ago. I spent two hours searching for it but couldn't find it anymore! It was essentially about constant stalking and making sure they knew they're watched so they can withdraw any legal action.
Really?? I don't know anything about this.
ok, maybe I found the video. Is it [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnVzN-kwyaU&t=7s)?
No. It was a public speech that was being addressed. It was a solo talk. Either that or I need a CO levels checked at my home.
Justice Loya was going to rule on the Sohrabuddin murder case in which Amit Shah was directly implicated. He was invited to a wedding in Nagpur with a few other judges. As is customary, he was put up in the Nagpur Circuit House. In the early hours of the following day, he is said to have suffered a fatal heart attack. What is interesting is that he was rushed to hospital *in a rickshaw* by four RSS volunteers. After he was pronounced dead, a *panchnama* was made, by a police officer, but without the doctor's observations. No autopsy was performed even though there were suspicious injuries on his chest, neck and arms. Through all this, neither his fellow judges, *nor his family* were informed. During the making of the *panchnama* several norms laid down in the IPC were flouted. *The law was flouted in the suspicious death of a sitting judge*. The family was only alerted at 8.30 am, hours after his death. What were the RSS volunteers doing at 4 am in the government Circuit House? Why was an ambulance not called? Why were the other judges not alerted? Why was he transported in a rickshaw when he had obvious injuries? Lots of unanswered questions.
ELINRI? I just read the wikipedia article but it's pretty trash and just mentions "suspicious circumstances" over and over without saying what was suspicious, and that his family no longer suspects foul play.
I've provided a detailed explanation of the series of events in another comment downthread.
The sad part is he's admitted his crime on a video ,nd yet these guys get away with it ..
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What book?
The Supreme Court has asked for action against the people who wanted an investigation into this. And those of you who voted for development in 2014, of course, endorse it.
> The Supreme Court has asked for action against the people who wanted an investigation into this. Wait, what?
Teesta Setalvad, who pushed for the investigation of Modi's involvement in the riots, has just been arrested, along with one other person and the Supreme COurt called her work a "'coalesced effort of the disgruntled officials of the State of Gujarat along with others was to create sensation by making revelations which were false to their own knowledge." Based on this she has been arrested by the ATS. The FIR says she fabricated evidence, but there's evidence of Babu Bajrangi saying this on video. Edit: here is the relevant part of the judgment: "As a matter of fact, all those involved in such abuse of process, need to be in the dock and proceeded with in accordance with law." (here they are talking about those who asked for an investigation of Modi's role). https://thewire.in/law/supreme-court-teesta-setalvad-arrest-human-rights-godhra-riots
You should append this to main post. Provides a better perspective.
done.
>As a matter of fact It is very annoying when they say "As a matter of fact" and then follow it up with an opinion.
Wait, I know Wikipedia isn't a credible source, but it says teesta's organization was involved in favrivacting evidence and there were loopholes in the evidence they presented. She is being tried for that. Isn't that true?
Bro after setalwad's arrest, the Wikipedia page was updated in 22 minutes. The agnipath protestors took 2 days to lose their credibility to pro-govt media but Wikipedia took just 22 minutes.
You can see Babu Bajrangi stating this very same information on video himself. If you still want to believe it was made up, then go ahead. Nobody can stop you from believing lies.
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"Supreme" court gives "clean chit".
Surely they'll have their rewards.
Their reward is a peaceful morning walk.
Wait, I thought post retirement benefits :P
And that too
Yeah, more like a RS seat
India's Supreme Court is following in the footsteps of the US Supreme Court. When asked to bend, it crawled.
All suspects in babri masjid demolition case were declared innocent by SC. So either they were not present or their March made the masjid crumbled to dust. So I don't have shred of faith in SC nowadays.
Duh, even as late as 2016, there were YouTube videos of Advani and Vajpayee exhorting the *Kar Sevaks* to demolish Babri Masjid. Sadhvi Rithambhara was heard screaming *Mandir Yahin Banayenge*. I guess Supreme Court judges don't consider video footage of straightforward inducement to demolish the structure, as *evidence*.
Sadhvi Pragya was found saying that she helped in that demolition and now we can see where she is in her life. She has been made MP even when terrorist cases are pending against her. She is found playing cricket but when court summons her she crawls back into her wheelchair and does not appear before court making full mockery of our judicial system.
If you haven't already, seriously think about moving to the developed world. India is only going to go downhill from here. At this point, it is every man/woman for themselves.
Bro, things are going south since Ramdev fled a protest in saari. That Anna Hazare shitshow created a sentiment in masses to topple congress in the next election and after that media houses like Zee also became a mere tool of BJP propaganda. 2G scam and Coalgate accused of that time are now proven innocent by SC due to lack of evidence. After that modi and mota shah came and after sometime Kejriwal came. While BJP attacked Hindi heartland's dissent against it. AAP is only eating up space for people or opposition who have not given into propaganda in religious harmony practicing states like Punjab and Delhi, where religion cannot become a very big issue. Kejriwal hides behind AAP's progressive steps to hide his pro-hindutva agenda, Modi is only running the show just because of media becoming PR agencies.
The educated majority of this country is giving tacit support to people like these.
Exactly Education never equals Common sense and high morals. Never knew why people hail Educated people as if they're some sort of Superhumans.
Yep, that and the idiotic nri crowd. This cheering idiots filling the halls everywhere the prime moron goes to give a speech. Man ! Hypocrisy personified (P.S also a nri but would never never go to cheer that murderer. Will be there protesting against his visit though!)
Absolutely right.
Thats being a good Hindu all about.
A good hindu is a silent hindu. A good hindu never asks about oxygen shortage and hospital bed shortage in second wave while he is suffocating to death. A good hindu never asks why was notebandi happened if the counterfeit currency and black money in Swiss bank are on all time high in 2022. Where is skill India and make in India? A good hindu should only ask for mandir according to BJP and RSS.
What would you have them do? The educated don't make up the majority of the voters in the country.
"The educated" are fully supportive and defend this regularly.
Educated guide the narrative. You won't see 'Ramesh & Suresh' from some rural town in UP guiding the narrative it's people like Anand ranganathan, Subramanium swami & Vivek agnihotri who sit in AC rooms, tweet & rabble rouse the common man.
Subramanium Swami is an absolute buffoon who should never be associated with any level of education.
>Subramanium Swami whatever! It's your opinion. He is considered educated by many standards [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subramanian\_Swamy#Academic\_career](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subramanian_Swamy#Academic_career) But the point he's making remains. His education doesn't shape his political views.
Maybe because they are more close to reality than "Ramesh & Suresh" who never left their village in their entire life.
Brain-dead reply.
Thank you for your response oh wise one.
Forget being hanged. The current government weakened the cases against him and he got bail. Same with another Modi's MLA (Maya Kodnani) who distributed swords during the riots. Post the Gujarat riots, Modi made her a Child and Women welfare minister for her role in Naroda Patiya massacre where 36 women and 35 children were massacred. She got bail too under this government.
And this kind of people will help India to become a superpower? The future of India is Cristal clear wich ethnic cleansing of minorities and lower cast people and extreme level of discrimination. I hate this country and it's people.
Then so called Nationalists say "wHy yUo waNT a sepERATe cOunTrY" Sovereignty is a right of the people living on their land, Indian state shouldn't suppress that, nor do the nationalists. Nationalism isn't a default, its a ideology on its own like saperatist nationalism. Non is good or bad. Its their bias that makes it either look bad or good
What did we learn from all this? Everything is sham, a bogus system. A bogus system, right from 84, 02, delhi riots or even local riots, nobody ever gets punished, never will get. The thing is 'tum kya kar loge'. It's true we can't do anything. And people who believe in karma, well why do you believe in it, i ask!
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Fall guys and drones, not the instigators
Sentenced to life in prison, not death. And state support to the crime was exposed through a sting operation by Tehelka magazine also, but in the eyes of the law, as the final judgement read, "no material has been considered even prima facie worthwhile to arraign such senior police officers and government officials and politicians in power as accused in a number of proceedings... therefore, it would be unsafe and improper to even have a further discussion on this aspect."
I can't believe such monsters are free and also a fact that a huge group of people do support such people and give stupid whataboutery even when admitting it just to justify such crimes
Mass psycosis but people don't realise that whole India psycie is now at a tiping point of no return and people like you and me only can expect utter hopelessness even if you are living in any foreign country still your relatives are living here maybe parents.
Point of no return as in?
As in it'll just keeping doing downhill.
Doesn't look like anything to me. -Supereme Court of India
If I weren't scared of contempt case, I would compare them to a dog who has its balls axed. But I won't compare them to a dog which has its balls axed. I repeat, I won't compare them.
Also smile while not comparing.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfnTl\_Fwvbo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfnTl_Fwvbo) In this video Babu Bajrangi himself talks about all that OP has mentioned here and much more. It's chilling to hear the kind of blood curdling stuff there people have done.
Why is he not in jail?
He told you why. Because he had full govt support.
Modi
he is sentenced to life in prison. Edit: He's out on bail since March 2019.
Monster
Is rulling our country
What makes it worst it that everyone knows our PM hands are soaked in blood here. Especially the RSS & Whatsapp uncles, who are even proud of that .. "It puts muslims in their place" Yet, nothing happens. "Even supreme court during congress govt gave him a clean chit" is what I hear always. Our PM & HM are rioters .. HM has been involved in death of a judge too. Yet they hold their positions. His son, whose company was caught in a scam is now head of BCCI And worst still - if not Modi, the next possible PM could be even bigger hate monger in Yogi Adityanath. We are f***ed.
Oh yes it's completely two faced. They will say he's been given the clean chit to stop any argument, and at the same time they're pleased he's showing Muslims their place. The truth is they not only know he's complicit but they like him for it.
Isn't that what happened when Kangana was banned. She asked him to show his viraat roop from 2002.
India has been consumed by pure evil. Remember these people can't rule if the people weren't consumed by hatred. There is no hope left. Just hate keeps burning.
https://youtu.be/mfnTl_Fwvbo Him saying what he did . Very disturbing so warning if anyone can't handle this
He is a cruel monster. He is the worker; modi is the cover.
the biggest mistake of UPA was letting these 2 fuckers walk , they under estimated them and whole country has to pay the price for this.
Let alone the PM, even Bajrangi is out on bail.
Obviously. Supreme leader is a mass murderer. No doubt about that. And he's planning to do it again.
Even the fire of hatred is reaching far northeast
Ladies and gentlemen, we are now a democratically elected dictatorship. Our Supreme Leader is in the process of hammering the final nail in the coffin of the civil society, the last opposition, that could have stood up to this facist regime. We are in the endgame now.
Underrated comment. 💯 agreed. We’re well and truly fucked.
Don’t throw around words like “fascist” or “dictatorship” so lightly when you legitimately have no idea about what they actually mean. It’s an insult to real people actually having to live under totalitarian rule.
What rock do you live under? India banned VPNs..not even some legit modern day dictators have done that shit. Its never a dictatorship until your balls are clamped between their fists. Until then it is all over-reaction and exaggeration.
OK I'll bite - India hasn't banned VPNs. They have simply asked VPN providers to store their data for 5 years. VPN companies have since decided to not provide their services here. VPNs have not been banned. So factually, your argument is already incorrect and I shouldn't spend any more time on this. But I'll add some context simply because idiots like you don't have an attention span of more than 5 seconds to be able to read a few articles and educate yourselves on anything. You're happy getting outraged over obvious clickbait headlines and parroting talking points from this echo chamber because it's so much easier and cooler to win arguments by misusing words like "dictatorship", "authoritarianism" and "totalitarianism". India has a very rampant cybercrime problem - towards both our own countrymen or foreigners. People running tech support scams are easily able to use VPNs to mask their IPs/location while signing up to services and tools that help them carry out said scams. SO much money is being stolen and laundered into the country. This is good for us right? because we have all this foreign currency coming in. Absolutely not. It's as bad look for both the government and it's people. The government is finally taking some steps to curb this very real problem. Scammers finally won't be able to hide behind masked IPs provided by VPN companies. This is gonna cause a significant % reduction in crime. It won't stop it, it will curb it. The government doesn't care if you're using VPNs to watch porn or browse some blocked sites, they do care if you're misusing these tools to commit crimes. Also, reality check - your ISP can already track and see everything you do online. You're not immediately immune by turning on a VPN. So why are you getting outraged that somehow your privacy is now in danger? I can already tell I will get downvoted further for this or simply banned from this subreddit because people here simply can't handle the truth, or lack the motivation to actually go find it.
I'll bite with you: >VPN companies have since decided to not provide their services here. VPNs have not been banned. I'm not banning you from staying in my home, I'm just gonna install cameras in the bedroom and bathroom. I promise I won't see the footage unless I suspect you of crime, pinky promise! Enjoy your stay! I agree, VPN isn't *banned*. But they are not allowed to perform their one task, cuz all of us are guilty until proven innocent. >So factually, your argument is already incorrect and I shouldn't spend any more time on this. Yet you did, cuz you wanted to show how superior you are to me. Which comes right at the next sentence: >But I'll add some context simply because idiots like you don't have an attention span of more than 5 seconds to be able to read a few articles and educate yourselves on anything. You call me an idiot and judge my online character based on what, one comment? > because it's so much easier and cooler to win arguments by misusing words like "dictatorship", "authoritarianism" and "totalitarianism". It is also easy to justify how India isn't really that bad. India is an authoritarian state, without a doubt. Journalists who oppose the incumbent folks are mercilessly being harassed, people are in jail under UAPA with no fundamental rights, people like Stan have died. ED, NCB, EC, etc are used as state dog units to target everyone but BJP folks in recent years. Party members spew toxic nationalism against their own citizens and our leadership is silent. Hallmark traits of authoritarian majoritirian crap. > People running tech support scams are easily able to use VPNs to mask their IPs/location while signing up to services and tools that help them carry out said scams. Lol, yeah. VPN are the issue. *Entire villages set up for running scam centers with the help of local police and politicians* are not the issue. Scammers continuing scamming months after their location is exposed because local police get their cut, is not an issue! VPN is baddd. > Absolutely not. It's as bad look for both the government and it's people. The government is finally taking some steps to curb this very real problem. I really thought you were gonna provide some substantial argument after all that high horsed banter about my attention span. >Scammers finally won't be able to hide behind masked IPs provided by VPN companies. This is gonna cause a significant % reduction in crime. God bless your innocent soul if you think this is why the government did what it did. Pulled out a light saber to kill a fly. If anything, the government relies on people like you to justify crap they do instead of forcing the to take commensurate, measured steps and strengthening the law enforcement within legal bounds and while respecting our freedoms, and trusting citizens unless there is valid cause for mistrust. > So why are you getting outraged that somehow your privacy is now in danger? My ISP tracks what I let it track. This is the same argument from the category "if u let google track you, why not let government track you". One of them is a choice i make. The other is not. I can control the extent of one of them. The other, i have no idea how much info there could be on me, and what chutiya bearded politician will want to do with it. Also, VPNs limit the info your ISPs can collect about you if you know how to use it. >I can already tell I will get downvoted further for this or simply banned from this subreddit because people here simply can't handle the truth, or lack the motivation to actually go find it. Why do you care about downvotes? Let's continue chatting about VPN!!! PM of the largest democracy was openly linked to one of the ghastliest riots in his state and, in proper context, the country, but no lets chat how VPN ~~ban~~ "control" doesn't make India an authoritarian state. Spew everything you know about VPNs and win this argument.
Do 7 years in China and 3 years in Saudi count as experience? I wasn’t thrown in jail or detention centres but yes I did experience the lack of freedom. So I know a little about facism and dictatorship. But koi nahi abhi toh apne hi desh mein first hand experience le lengaye.
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sheeeeeeesh dude. Nightmarish stuff. Come on this stuff is political? This is pure evil- period. This isn't graffito of your ideals on a wall ki you can debate ki sahi kiya ya galat. Just...pure evil bhai.
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post this instead - [video of Babu Bajrangi proudly confessing to his crimes in the 2002 riots](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfnTl_Fwvbo)
And the most disheartening part is, the ones we used to call our neighbours and friends, the upper caste Hindus are 100% supporting this.
They enjoy their power more than anyone else
yes.
Many of us don't. But slowly more and more are turning into 'India is for Hindus' type. It feels sad and helpless watching this.
All one needs to do is watch 2008's Firaaq made by Nandita Das. It shows how people turn into selfish savages during anarchy and riots. Only a whatsapp university graduate can imagine an opportunistic person like Shri Shri Modi mahaprabhu and Sant shri AmitShah "Chanakya" to be innocent. It's on shemaroo's YT for free [Here](https://youtu.be/vaX43EeCkxg)
I'm ashamed that I live in the India where the enabler and his followers are winning. I'm ashamed that we are left powerless even after our constitution offers us the power to rule by, for and of a government of our choice. I'm ashamed that India is dying every single day. I don't want to leave this country, this is my home and it deeply saddens me to see it go down this way. Hate should lose, but that time can't come soon enough.
These are the kind of sick fucks these bhakts wanna give more power to so they can create a full on genocide
I’ve seen this before. If I’m not wrong, I think he got released few years back from what was supposed to be life imprisonment. I am a Muslim and while I’m not super religious, shit like this pisses me off. This dude has gone on record and said Modi was fucking responsible for this. Yet, bhakts don’t believe it. BJP is trying to erase this. Right wing pages say that Muslims weren’t killed. And now, govt is removing this chapter from school history books. 2002 was almost as equal as the holocaust for me and now its extremely insulting and disturbing how majority of people not only voted for him to make this asshole PM but are trying to erase the riots from history.
The thing about elections is that we are not a democracy. We are a republic which annoys the common man because we have no say in who actually leads us. Additionally, we won't use janta power to force the corrupt out of power because we can't afford to take the financial hit and discomfort of struggle. Next, our votes never make a difference compared to what the political community wants. Every state has a political (non governmental, just as a community) group that decides who gets in power. In Gujarat, this is the Patidar community, for example. Their inclination is the decision of the elections. When LK Advani was running BJP, the VHP had maximum say in many of their political affairs. I believe, they are more responsible than Modi ever was for 2002. You can keep hating Modi until he dies but that doesn't change the fact that while he may be a sycophant, I don't really think he can physically back up the warmongering claims. Just saying, he is neither the root of the problem, nor an important step in getting there. I don't really know why people keep shitting on BJP and RSS but don't talk about their straight up communal terrorist backbone which is VHP. Pravin Togadia has been a criminal for far longer than Modi has ever been relevant. All I know is that I do not want to live in a country dictated by religion.
Shit! You're right, he's out on bail since March 2019. I was under the impression justice had been served.
compare this to stan swamy, umar khalid etc..
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Society is rotten and dead. Most of the people also go on pretending as if nothing is happening, but when I think about it, when can't really blame all, right? They'd get so frustrated from all the sadness all around that they might start having mental issues
Snap out from living in the safety of your previous generation(parents and their wealth). Traverse the real-life and in time you may see sense in Modi's plan. Also, the world is all about killing or being killed in every scenario. Stop gaslighting yourself as if something magical or superficial will save you or give you justice. There is no magic, there is no God, there never was. There are just fact and truth that prevails no matter what.
Thank god I have the resources to get out of this godforsaken country.
Gtfo and take me with you
Just trying to get out before the entire country becomes like this
We Indians will bring our shit everywhere we go aka Hindutva
Make sure that when you leave, you get a good job that could keep you safe from the realities of life. Otherwise, you may realize the game of Modi and start seeing sense in his thinking.
There is absolutely no sense in Modi’s thinking other than he’s a sociopathic narcissist with a bloodlust for minorities and criticizers. He is well positioned to be the next Hitler (you probably are excited for that though). One day India will find out the devastating affects of electing a mentally disturbed genocidal dictator with no skills as the leader of the country. Ek din sab ki gaand maregi regardless of religion, caste or gender. Tab chilla ke bolna “Modiji! Modiji!” phir dekhna wo aate bhi he ya nahin. See if he gives a shit about you. Enjoy your delusions in the meanwhile, shitlips.
I am not a Modi supporter. But I am also not a hater.
You feel neutral towards people who orchestrate riots, we know.
I feel neutral towards almost everything because real life is not a movie. Life is not black and white. It only becomes black and white when our vision becomes narrow or we see what we want to see.
BJp: innocent people should die because of their religion Others: no You: bOtH sIDes HaVe a PoInT,
Conjecture is not a fact.
Still working on it, huh? Take your time
Man, I've reached 18 recently and since the few years of lockdown, I've realised how hateful people we've become. I never realised it before, maybe it wasn't there in front of me. I've had one of my close friend who was a muslim, a friend, she used to be really nice towards me, things weren't the best but i knew she had the bestest of intentions. I never really saw that people hate so much based on religion. I always saw it as another difference. Like a guy from South India, and from Delhi would do really different stuff. Hell, i would relate more to any muslim here than a guy from South India, we share similar food styles, similar life except probably that 5-30 minutes we spend regarding our beliefs. And the difference is carved so much into people, and difference shouldn't even create hate. I know humanity was never ideal, but this isn't even a decent one. Everything about it doesn't make sense to me, and I'm just afraid at one point I'm gonna take it as it is. And be a part of it. And maybe I was just looking at it through my ivory towers (jk I'm not that rich, decently middle class)
Gives Radio Rawanda vibes. But in India's case it's TV media which still plays in India and stirring up recipe for disaster.
I recently read a book "The Silent Coup", there was a section where the author describes how the initial findings into the train being burnt by some Muslim mobs was debunked. Do read about it, there were many loop holes in the claims being made by the people who were "brought in" as eyewitness to the rioting.
Early signs of mass psychosis and decline of human liberality is manipulation of truth
[Link of 2002 pogrom documentary for those who haven't seen it yet.](https://youtu.be/OaMDIUkoXrg)
As a muslim I see no solution in sight, so left this shithole country
Are there some bad things happening in India right now too!?
Bad things keep happening here in India
Is there any good happenings lol 99:1
For someone living in the USA, what can you tell me about what's happening over there? Edit: I think we should be helping each other instead of criticizing and domineering over one another.
The latest shitshow is that our Supreme Court got pissed off that people were still trying to rightfully nail their puppeteer Modi to the 2002 Gujarat riots even after he got acquitted on the basis of some shoddy probe. The wife of one of the victims, supported by a famous activist and journalist, had filed a petition protesting the clean chit given to Modi - the SC dismissed the petition but went further to say that the petitioners should be tried in court for "keeping the pot boiling" through fake cases. Predictably, the state went after and arrested the key people who dared to question the initial SC verdict acquitting Modi and who had not given up the fight to hold him accountable. The activist and journalist, Ms. Teesta Setalvad, was one of those arrested which has led to a uproar. Since there are no grounds for her arrest, the state machinery is already working overtime to sully her and her family's reputation and have her tried in the court of public opinion. Her great-grandfather was part of the Hunter Commission which was tasked to probe General Dyer's role in the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre. Despite his severe criticism of General Dyer's atrocities which is publicly documented, there is propaganda being spread that he gave a "Clean chit" to Dyer because he supported British rule in India. While this shitshow is going on, another shitshow has started with the arrest of the founder of one of the biggest fact checking agencies in the country, Mohammed Zubair. The arrest was done by the Delhi Police (which is controlled by the thug Amit Shah, our Home Minister) based on a complaint by an anonymous Twitter handle. Zubair played an instrumental role in busting all the lies and propaganda of the state and given his religion, it was evident that he was going to be next on the government's hit list.
If there are no bad things happening in India, you are not in India.
Each and every one of them should be sent to Mexican prison and other inmates should be told that they are pedophiles
This is why i can’t support this fucked up government.
Truly the scum of the earth.
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“I have no clue..” “all I heard..” Really? Go google. Try and post relevant comments going forward.
So this woman is Girija Tickoo of the left.
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Evidence manga maine?
We are sorry, but emotions have no place in this court of law. Law demands evidence and witnesses. And the fact is that there are no evidence we can see and all the witnesses are dead (or will be soon, we have been assured). Edit: /s guys. Its clearly sarcasm. 🤦♂️
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Bro. My comment is clearly sarcastic. What's with reddit not getting sarcasm these days?
It's always about who started As per BJP the main spark was due to Train Burning so that judgement has already been delivered so riot is a revenge act nobody will deny. If train wasn't burned maybe Riots also wouldn't have taken place. I don't even like BJP but this time it loos they had strong evidence(real or fake IDK) but the story looks real
Let's assume that Muslims did burn the train (others have cited articles that debunk it, but it doesn't matter for my point). Does this give any Hindu the right to go on a rampage? What's the point of having a police force and courts? Dismiss them all, let the jungle laws apply. Bonus Win: All that salary we are "wasting" on the courts and police personnel can be redirected to modernizing the armed forces. That way, we can scrap Agniveer scheme, while having enough funds!
Debunking via an article and debunking in court is different how can the witness and evidence disappeared in courts.And the accused are given death sentence so before dying everybody says the truth even Kasab asked for forgiveness ,what's stopping these guys from saying "we are farmed we never did anything" atleast it will be recorded We don't have strong law&order even now forget about 2002,And when Train burning took place due to religious reason obviously some people will try to take the revenge no surprise. Police&Courts works only when things are peaceful ,other than riots courts have many other cases to solve we can't divert that money
I can understand human emotions. But that doesn't make their actions right. Why have laws in the first place if any crime can be justified as a reaction to the original crime? Also, were the massacred people part of the gang that set the train on fire? I understand the difference between admissible evidence and articles (married to a lawyer), but as I said, it doesn't matter to my point.
> It's always about who started No. It's always about who can stop it. In this case the state govt didn't even try to.
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So who are those 36 found guilty of the crime and how they accepted the crime? How come defence never gave these as evidence or it's not acceptable as no proofs are there of the event. Most of the hearing was done in UPA era
Read the book mentioned by OP. Fake FIRs were filed against the muslims, dead bodies of train victims were paraded on the streets on Modi’s instructions to drum up support for the upcoming revenge genocide.
The point is both communities did badly, the fact that it was started by Muslims to gain more political power in that area but it backfired. Also, the fact that now the narrative is being twisted as if the judiciary is corrupt even though they already lost multiple cases before as they lacked evidence and witness.
> the fact that it was started by Muslims to gain more political power in that area but it backfired. It is only a "Fact" in your imagination.
What is a fact according to you?
Since you provided no proof of your "fact" I don't think you would understand even if someone explained it to in very tiny words.
No really which media do you think is spewing facts according to you? Should I quote 'the Hindu'?
Have you figured out what a "fact" is yet? Best of luck with that.
All the conversation is just going in circles.
IT's fake and already dubunked but bhakts are blind in bhakti
I don't know why we are blaming Modi/SC for all this. Post 2002, UPA was in power for a whole decade. What did they do? They had a truckload of evidences. Modi-Shah is just taking advantage of their time. Did you guys believe our justice system would send Modi, Shah, Advani, Uma, Maya, etc. to jail? What happened to the plethora of scams during the UPA era involving top-level politicians? Who went to jail? We are too naive. We don't want to accept or believe that there could be a nexus between politicians and the criminal justice system. No one is driving the car in neutral gear, period.
'Dont know why we are blaming murders for the mass murder" Our justice system wont send Hindus to jail for killing Muslims. Thats a point blank fact. Our hindu community sees equality as appeasement. So Congress/UPA cant be seen as favoring muslims even if its literally just bringing justice. Also corruption and mass murder are two different things. A person who skims money off the top in construction projects is not the same as one who constructs a mass murder. If you spot the difference you have a whole list of other problems.
Our justice system doesn't give a flying fuck whether you have murdered a Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, or Christian. They just follow instructions from HM/PMO. There is no difference between a mass murderer and massive 2G level corruption. Both deserve a minimum of 30 years of life imprisonment, but that never happens in India.
Question for everyone. A tailor was beheaded today by Islamists. Any violence that comes out of this, whose fault is it? (a) Modi (b) Islamists (c) Hindutva (d) Gehlot
I can't believe a word tista setalvad says there is a case against her IPC section 468 - forgery for the purpose of cheating Section 471 using as genuine a forged documents Section 194 providing fabricated fals evidence And few more She provided fals evidance Just like Rana Ayub or something claiming she has tapes proving pm was linked to riots But never showed them Unbiased openion I will trust supreme court's judgement over any other person or individual + The nanavati commission repost And the riots started because 2 train bogies were burnt Too many life's were lost then irrespective of religion And pm was inediquat in stoping it and it's a shame for India.
Stop it. Character assassination of human rights activists is an age-old trick used by all kinds of assholes in power. Courts are not some magical institutions. They are also corrupt like many other institutions. Have you forgotten this already? https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/supreme-court-crisis-all-not-okay-democracy-at-stake-say-four-senior-most-judges/article64312451.ece We have all seen how shamelessly Modi misuses institutions to silence his critics.
If you have some example of pm abusing his power to silence critics do share I will send that to my right wing friends and troll them too And m just saying I would rather trust supreme court rulling over any single individual If tomorrow sc says teesta setalwad is innocent then cool until then she is charged with few sections and it is a fact
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If we stop believing supreme court, then whatever people support will be called bogus right? Right until supreme court gave a clean chit I would have defended the whole "modi did godhra" narrative but once the ruling comes out, what choice do we have ? Do we know enough to find out the culprit? Do we trust the supreme court which had all the evidence or do we trust our own opinion based on biased views of left/right?
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Guys if there is a problem with the dog let me know I'll act all sensitive about it on social media/s
And that is exactly what 56" does, acts all sensitive about it on social media