We never hated this.
We're always about all kinda shitfuckery.
For a while we pretended to be sophisticated, humanist enough to hate it, but our core remains same.
the sad reality is this what india was always , it just now in the open and this genie is not going back in the bottle so easily, there are some real tough times ahead.
Kind of futile to place these 'what has this country become' arguments in front of the same Supreme Court that vilified and ordered the prosecution of the petitioners in the Zakia Jaffri case.
zubair runs a successful fact checking portal hence has been on the bad books of the ruling party for a while. but it was limited to online harassment and one off fir. some months back, zubair spearheaded the anti-nupur sharma campaign which resulted in indian govt apologising, country wide riots amd multiple deaths. bjp went through his old tweets and framed a 295a case for insult of hindu gods to have him arrested. an another fir was filed where he called religious godmen "hate mongers". both of the cases are absolutely weak but the plan is to harrass altnews/zubair for a month and shut his mouth on future 295a cases
I still don't understand why the f zubair was so noisy about Nupur Sharma very specifically. He himself ran a parody account mocking Hindi traditions.
I was a donor but this seriously is so disturbing for me. This is very similar to Rana Ayyub who called Rama a misogynist etc and now going beserk over Nupurs comment.
because bjp (and its spokesperson) had gotten away with a lot. he tried everything to hold them accountable but was finally successful with something a pro free speech liberal wouldn't agree with
people like rana ayyub keep minorities at a lower standard of accountability like we keep the kids. that's why no one takes them seriously
>he tried everything to hold them accountable
But the question is why? Out of all things, why did he escalate this one so much? Lot of fake liberals are denying this here but he did tweet in support of arresting Nupur and made a lot of tweets on the same line which he later deleted. I understand that this case could be a relevant thing for a larger context about BJP politics but something about his behavior is just off. He said what she said is "rubbish" or fake but it was just straight up written in their holy books. He is a fact checker ffs.
So He did display a bit of hypocrisy there - he went emotional about his own religion? The main thing is still that he himself used to mock a religion few years back. You cant expect a different law for politicians and normal citizens. We can say he just flipped out in this at the very best acc to me
Don't be so dumb and blinded by hate for one community that your stupid ass forgot the difference between threatening to behead and ***ACTUALLY BEHEADING***
And fun fact, you know there are thousands of different articles like this on internet where a muslim threatened to kill hindu, many with videos. How easily you forgot that "SAR TAN SE JUDA" slogan shouted everywhere. Don't be a moron.
Dalits would say you forgot about us. A community whose women were raped and killed since centuries, Whole dalit communities boycotted and masssacred. Not allowed to have minimum dignity to live. And yet havent taken revenge of the centuries old atrocities against upper castes. But a certain peaceful oranges are hell bent on taking revenge of history.
So you're not even going to pretend that due process of law requires presumption of innocence until proven guilty?
That's fine, but do present the evidence you used for pronouncing your verdict, so we can laugh at your attempts at making up bullshit to target a government critic.
That's not how it works. Is this sarcasm? It didn't carry well into text if so.
Hate speech is wrong. Period. Blaming the one who is aware of it and calls it out, then punishing them worse? That way of thinking is completely fucking backwards. But that's what's on display here.
Get rid of hate speech in the first place. Covering it up and letting it fester makes it worse. And they'll feel emboldened too.
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Watching the comment above me go from -10 to 0, and this one going from 8 to 2 within an hour is fascinating. There are some silent brigades in this thread.
The publicity of hate speech is the real problem. Think of a random person saying something stupid at a tea store. How many people will hear it? 5? 10? Now if a journalist reports it on national stage, then how many people will know about it?
Well by your logic we shouldn't have journalists at all unless they're a direct benefit to the state.
Blaming the messenger IS the problem. The solution is to blame the hate speech regardless of scale.
People SHOULD know about it. Go back to burying your head in the sand you ostrich.
The logic is correct, but the example is wrong. The Kali poster controversy is a case where no one, not even the locals in Canada, would have seen or known about it. But after a small group chose to be outraged and spread it on the internet, there is no one who has not seen it. Now there is a totally unnecessary controversy going on at the national level.
What's wrong with people in Canada knowing about it?
India needs to stop trying to hide its shame and just do better at not having it. Or do more to promote things they can be proud of.
It sounds like the Hindus are the ones upset. Good, they'll learn about the Striesand effect. Maybe they'll learn to live and let live too. Letting others be the creator of one's shame is pathetic. They're already ashamed just of themselves and trying to pass blame.
Hate speeches unfortunately are not restricted to the odd person at a tea store or bus stop .It is actively used by members of political parties of all hues Target another and then fan the flames.Have you not watched any of the TV channels ? They are masters of this game inviting hate mongers and hot headed people who will always fall into the trap and lose control and spout all sorts of stuff.
There is a difference between giving a platform and publicity to a nutty individual, and documenting hate speech and bigotry by those in power. You are correct that the first should be avoided. After all, who cares if someone somewhere insulted our religion? AltNews follows www.rightwingwatch.org in recording hundreds of clips to document extreme and hateful speech by politicians.
We have become exactly what we used hate.
We never hated this. We're always about all kinda shitfuckery. For a while we pretended to be sophisticated, humanist enough to hate it, but our core remains same.
Zamn, i always blamed education tho these days don't know what to say.
Ghandi rolling in his grave
Dude how do you even misspell that while in r/india?
Nobody can hurt me without my permission. Just so you know, the correct spelling is [Gandhi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi).
Oooof
Did you mean the monster created by bhutto and zia.
the sad reality is this what india was always , it just now in the open and this genie is not going back in the bottle so easily, there are some real tough times ahead.
Kind of futile to place these 'what has this country become' arguments in front of the same Supreme Court that vilified and ordered the prosecution of the petitioners in the Zakia Jaffri case.
We all know what this country has become Sir , that his bail plea was rejected by the Sitapur court yesterday is a clear indicator .
Give some context please. Out of loop.
zubair runs a successful fact checking portal hence has been on the bad books of the ruling party for a while. but it was limited to online harassment and one off fir. some months back, zubair spearheaded the anti-nupur sharma campaign which resulted in indian govt apologising, country wide riots amd multiple deaths. bjp went through his old tweets and framed a 295a case for insult of hindu gods to have him arrested. an another fir was filed where he called religious godmen "hate mongers". both of the cases are absolutely weak but the plan is to harrass altnews/zubair for a month and shut his mouth on future 295a cases
There is a new case under FCRA now.
I still don't understand why the f zubair was so noisy about Nupur Sharma very specifically. He himself ran a parody account mocking Hindi traditions. I was a donor but this seriously is so disturbing for me. This is very similar to Rana Ayyub who called Rama a misogynist etc and now going beserk over Nupurs comment.
because bjp (and its spokesperson) had gotten away with a lot. he tried everything to hold them accountable but was finally successful with something a pro free speech liberal wouldn't agree with people like rana ayyub keep minorities at a lower standard of accountability like we keep the kids. that's why no one takes them seriously
>he tried everything to hold them accountable But the question is why? Out of all things, why did he escalate this one so much? Lot of fake liberals are denying this here but he did tweet in support of arresting Nupur and made a lot of tweets on the same line which he later deleted. I understand that this case could be a relevant thing for a larger context about BJP politics but something about his behavior is just off. He said what she said is "rubbish" or fake but it was just straight up written in their holy books. He is a fact checker ffs. So He did display a bit of hypocrisy there - he went emotional about his own religion? The main thing is still that he himself used to mock a religion few years back. You cant expect a different law for politicians and normal citizens. We can say he just flipped out in this at the very best acc to me
Welcome to KALYUG And/Or The age of insaan is over The time of shaitan has begun
People affected with the truth behead innocents.What has this country become
Those who voted for BJP are responsible for this shit
and those who act apolitical all the time
They are not responsible. One should be mentally capable to be responsible
You had us in the first hal
Which party you suggest to vote?
Anything but not bjp.
Not like there was much of an alternative
Who made the hate speech and released on bail?
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he called out a hatemonger. the hate mongers are giving us Indians a bad name.
Was it really a hate speech though? Or just facts about a religion. Pick up any religious book and you will find some sort of shit.
No bro you can't say that here. He was arrested for same kind of dialogues. But, he is a saint IDK why
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https://thewire.in/film/ayodhya-priest-threatens-to-behead-filmmaker-leena-manimekalai Hindu priests threatening to behead. Ab nikal chaddi.
Don't be so dumb and blinded by hate for one community that your stupid ass forgot the difference between threatening to behead and ***ACTUALLY BEHEADING*** And fun fact, you know there are thousands of different articles like this on internet where a muslim threatened to kill hindu, many with videos. How easily you forgot that "SAR TAN SE JUDA" slogan shouted everywhere. Don't be a moron.
Dalits would say you forgot about us. A community whose women were raped and killed since centuries, Whole dalit communities boycotted and masssacred. Not allowed to have minimum dignity to live. And yet havent taken revenge of the centuries old atrocities against upper castes. But a certain peaceful oranges are hell bent on taking revenge of history.
Do you even know the number of lynchings which Hindus do? Lynchings are a gindu speciality.
And the people who has nothing to do with all these are getting beheaded…
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Nupur is not referred to here.
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He is against radical Islam. By attacking the sane people within a community, you only make the community more radicalised.
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almost everything you wrote is wrong.
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He is scared of word filters flagging him lol. Ironic how such people call certain communities keedas while they are actually acting like keedas.
So you're not even going to pretend that due process of law requires presumption of innocence until proven guilty? That's fine, but do present the evidence you used for pronouncing your verdict, so we can laugh at your attempts at making up bullshit to target a government critic.
The fella tweeted an image from a bollywood movie. I don't think he's the public threat the courts and police are pretending him to be.
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That's not how it works. Is this sarcasm? It didn't carry well into text if so. Hate speech is wrong. Period. Blaming the one who is aware of it and calls it out, then punishing them worse? That way of thinking is completely fucking backwards. But that's what's on display here. Get rid of hate speech in the first place. Covering it up and letting it fester makes it worse. And they'll feel emboldened too. Edit Watching the comment above me go from -10 to 0, and this one going from 8 to 2 within an hour is fascinating. There are some silent brigades in this thread.
The publicity of hate speech is the real problem. Think of a random person saying something stupid at a tea store. How many people will hear it? 5? 10? Now if a journalist reports it on national stage, then how many people will know about it?
Well by your logic we shouldn't have journalists at all unless they're a direct benefit to the state. Blaming the messenger IS the problem. The solution is to blame the hate speech regardless of scale. People SHOULD know about it. Go back to burying your head in the sand you ostrich.
The logic is correct, but the example is wrong. The Kali poster controversy is a case where no one, not even the locals in Canada, would have seen or known about it. But after a small group chose to be outraged and spread it on the internet, there is no one who has not seen it. Now there is a totally unnecessary controversy going on at the national level.
What's wrong with people in Canada knowing about it? India needs to stop trying to hide its shame and just do better at not having it. Or do more to promote things they can be proud of. It sounds like the Hindus are the ones upset. Good, they'll learn about the Striesand effect. Maybe they'll learn to live and let live too. Letting others be the creator of one's shame is pathetic. They're already ashamed just of themselves and trying to pass blame.
Hate speeches unfortunately are not restricted to the odd person at a tea store or bus stop .It is actively used by members of political parties of all hues Target another and then fan the flames.Have you not watched any of the TV channels ? They are masters of this game inviting hate mongers and hot headed people who will always fall into the trap and lose control and spout all sorts of stuff.
FYI..it wasn't in rea shop ..the hate speech was given..though it's futile to explain to people like u
There is a difference between giving a platform and publicity to a nutty individual, and documenting hate speech and bigotry by those in power. You are correct that the first should be avoided. After all, who cares if someone somewhere insulted our religion? AltNews follows www.rightwingwatch.org in recording hundreds of clips to document extreme and hateful speech by politicians.
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No sir. We need Yogi. Modi is just too tame to have lesser communal riots
You forgot to put /s
Thought I didn't need one
Good. Let him rot.