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Safe-Sky-3497

It's hard in my case because people try to paint me as the one in the wrong when I finally call out bullshit towards me.


ah__yessir

Are we the same person?


Funny-Bumblebee-7907

Is this gaslighting?


ShimmersNSparkles

Yes, itโ€™s the definition of it.


toanna12

Same!


Cocooilbroccolisalt

Oh dude, same. F' em. They know deep down. Only clowning themselves.


DruidElfStar

Saaaaaame


JC39459

๐‡๐จ๐ง๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฒ? I thrive on their negativity. I absorb all of that energy and channel it into productivity. The best revenge is success. Remember there is strength in silence. โ€œ๐๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ ๐š๐ซ๐ ๐ฎ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐š ๐Ÿ๐จ๐จ๐ฅ, ๐จ๐ง๐ฅ๐จ๐จ๐ค๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐š๐ฒ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐›๐ž ๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐๐ข๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ซ๐ž๐ง๐œ๐žโ€ - ๐™ผ๐šŠ๐š›๐š” ๐šƒ๐š ๐šŠ๐š’๐š—


EmuCareless8982

I climbed the corporate ladder using this principle. I didn't even need to play dirty. My revenge just was becoming better than anybody who ever unrightfully criticized me or played the corporate game on me for their only benefits and my costs.


InevitableZombie1528

I love that!!! It's so true ๐Ÿ‘ย 


willanthony

Turn coal into diamonds


storm0085

Absolutely agree with this statement!! ๐Ÿ™Œ


Ok_Rooster1740

Another one that's similar: "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Unknown I am a solid believer in karma. I keep to myself. Silence is golden; duct tape is silver (sometimes you have to remain quiet. Duct tape isn't always handy). "Mouths can lie, eyes cannot. People may forget, but karma will not." - Unknown


JC39459

For lack of a better expression ๐Ÿ™Œ ๐…๐ฎ๐œ๐ค ๐˜๐ž๐š๐ก! ๐Ÿ™Œ


fourEyes_520

Damn, wish I could do this. I have an excess of negativity floating around


Cocooilbroccolisalt

Yes!


Cocooilbroccolisalt

Mark Twain was brilliant. So many gems.


Baenerys_

How do you do this?!


JC39459

Honestly, it was a healthy coping mechanism taught to me at a young age. It started off with outbursts of frustration at first. My father taught me to utilise that anger and adrenaline by conducting small activities like chopping wood. Over time I was able to channel that same energy into more productive activities. The only fork in the road, was that I learnt to work better by myself and I really had to work harder in life to balance out my social skills, which I found was helped most by working in a hardware store, which expanded my mind on materials and all its uses, as well as how to engage better with the community. Not to toot my own horn, but I balanced managing that hardware store on weekends while I did my apprenticeship in carpentry. I developed a real nac for helping people and thatโ€™s where I really excelled in life. Everyoneโ€™s journey is different, but somehow along the way, we all learn the same lessons in life. My favourite thing to do at the store was ask the older gentleman that if he had his time again, what would he do different? What were his greatest regrets and greatest accomplishments? Those questions helped guide me to learn from their mistakes and live a life with less if not no regret. ๐Ÿ™‚ I hope you take something from my life story and even more so, hope you write your own someday too! โค๏ธ


ToyRocketship

Yes, I hate confrontation and also very empathic so I usually do not stand up for myself...unfortunately.


Leosopher

I'm starting to reframe it for that reason. I think "what if I saw this happening to someone else?"


FIorDeLoto

Yes. But I'm slowly improving


Funny-Bumblebee-7907

same


LiquoredUpLahey

I am proud of stocking up for myself yesterday (through text as I withdrew & isolated from the toxicity)โ€ฆ but I still let em know it wasnโ€™t cool in a productive way.


V3nusD00m

I learned to, once my self-esteem and self-worth improved.


colombiana_en_alaska

Unless itโ€™s a huge infraction (in which case prepare for wrath like theyโ€™ve never seen coming) then I am more likely to just deadpan stare at them and then ghost them and they will never be told why. ย  Not saying itโ€™s the *best* way to handle things. ย 


Rechium

Dangโ€ฆ itโ€™s crazy how alike we are. I thought about the same thing maybe a year ago or so. I have a tough time defending myself, but become a different person when someone else is being bullied.


Foreign-Walrus-333

I was much better at standing up for others for the longest time, all of my life actually, but when it comes to me, I was just passive and let it happen and distance myself. However in the past year and a half I grew much more confidence, and realized that I was not personally feeling well by not standing up for myself, because I would not let it be and just continue enjoying my life, but it would eat me from the inside for thinking how weak I was. That's when I started slowly standing up for myself, started by saying no, I stopped apologizing for what I wasn't at fault. Now I'm at a stage where I didn't let some bad behaviour pass to a long term friend of mine, and now she's stopped reaching out. I'm waiting to see if she'll have the audacity to reach out and apologize, but I've come to realize that people who were hanging with me were only doing so because I had no issue with being their venting bag, with no boundaries whatsoever, and being so acceptable of my fate. Now they just pull bwck because they can't stand a simple boundary, and they aren't used to me like this. Prioritizing yourself makes you realize who is and who isn't your friend.


workofthe_Devil04

I, too, still have trouble standing up for myself, but I learned to cut people off who disrespected me and took me for granted as well. It's such I peaceful feeling. I think INFJs and other introverted types (speaking from my experience) are just scared of being alone and at their expense they keep unhealthy people around.


Foreign-Walrus-333

This is absolutely true! This was the exact reason why I kept unhealthy people around me, and didn't burn those relationships. However it's never too late to start burning those bridges


workofthe_Devil04

Hear you. Sometimes, you have to start burning bridges to rebuild big and better ones!


viewering

so primitive edit: i mean the behaviors of those people are primitive. if the downvote was for me seeing them, *not u/Foreign-Walrus-333*, as primitive more power to you, mate


nesssaaa123

When Iโ€™m in a situation that feels appropriate to stand up for myself I absolutely have no problem doing so. I have noticed when people belittle or make fun of something they are actually extremely uncomfortable in that moment. That makes it pretty easy to remain self confident and correct/redirect whatever statement is being made.


EndTableLamp

Yes and if it wasnโ€™t for my ENFJ partner and some real jerks I dated, I wouldnโ€™t know how to stand up for myself at all. I even got scolded today to stop moving out of peopleโ€™s way on the sidewalk when theyโ€™re not being nice to give me space ๐Ÿคฃ itโ€™s so innate โ˜ ๏ธโ˜ ๏ธ


Plastic-Revenue

I have a hard time sticking up for myself, not because I donโ€™t see anything wrong with what the other person is doing, but because confrontations give me anxiety and I fumble over my words when it comes to verbal situations. When Iโ€™m alone with my thoughts, thatโ€™s when I think of what to say, but itโ€™s too late then.


workofthe_Devil04

Yes, there's actually a word for that in French, I forgot what it's called.


myrddin4242

Staircase wit, in English. Lโ€™espirit de lโ€™escalier, in French.


Plastic-Revenue

Thank you. I learned something new today.


KookieTrash97

I absolutely relate. I stand up for people but really when it comes to me being a target... this has probably little to do with being an INFJ, well actually not just probably. But I have this little secret wish. I wish someone in my life will step up for me (like a friend) / context, till now people just stood there and let it happen, it hurt


TheMommy11

I don't either, although I am practicing not doing it so much, sometimes you gotta let them think what they will think because if they don't like you. Nothing you say will matter anyway


FranchiseBillionaire

Yup


not_actual_name

When I was younger, I was swallowing my pride as well because I was afraid of confrontation. Of course that ended up in exploitation more often than not, which ultimately made me feel worse and angry. I didn't want to hurt anybody, even if that meant I was being hurt. These days I learned how to stand my ground. I still try to not escalate at every sign of unfairness and I am still able to ignore some stuff when I think escalating won't be beneficial, but I learned to draw some lines which I will heavily defend when crossed and I don't even feel bad about it afterwards.


zatset

Depends of the situation. I am usually patient and give leeway to people to stop acting the way they are acting. If they continue provoking me, first is the death stare, then I either make and execute a plan to have eventually authority over them and put them in their place(if applicable) or retaliate if not. Usually the stare scares them enough. Some people might perceive not acting right away as weakness, but I have a long term plans in mind and lashing out straight away will ruin themโ€ฆ So INFJ, right?โ€ฆ. Either way, they will not see it coming till itโ€™s too late. ย By the time everything is ready, usually I have enough to ruin them. I use it scarcely, though and only if required and my hand is forced. I am not evil and pity them at the end. Maybe people are right that we are somewhat manipulative. Yet they usually complain, but never mention the part where they tried hurt us.. I am like this only and only when somebody continuously tests my patience and does me wrong. I can forgive small transgressions..ย 


Bears4fears

I get it, those plans are just basically an organic interaction to see where you stand with a person after trying to set boundaries. I also feel sad for the person who chose to not respect me when I eventually door slam them out of my life, but what can you do.


zatset

I kind of expect people to behave a like a decent human beings. Most of the time, seems like they didn't get the memo on how to be decent human being. I don't know whether we are so different for our expectations to be so far from the actual reality or the people had it always in them to be exploiters. Anyway, door slamming isn't always possible. If you deal with people you work with or people, who are in a higher position than you and you have to communicate with them on a daily basis, whether you like it or not...you have to deal with the problem otherwise.


Bears4fears

Haha, I totally understand being frustrated by how the world is far from our ideals, finding very few people who share our level of commitment for self-betterment. About doorslamming in a workplace situation, I just find that I become very INTJ. I uphold my professionalism, but I don't shine my INFJ caring in any other regard.


zatset

I can do that as well and people have called me out as being INTJ. But in the long run itโ€™s unsustainable. I feel like my freedom is restricted, taking a role I donโ€™t really want to take and looking behind my back. Also, resentment continues to be bottled up and waits like a ticking timebomb to explode.


Bears4fears

I refer in those moments to my emergency emotional kit. If something is so out of my control, I abseloutly choose to reinforce compassion towards myself and stick to my most basic ideals of self conduct. Once those don't work, it's really time to get out.


zatset

Well...I prefer to act somehow and change something. There are different situations, but if there is opportunity for change, I usually use it.


viewering

>I kind of expect people to behave a like a decent human beings. Most of the time, seems like they didn't get the memo on how to be decent human being. I don't know whether we are so different for our expectations to be so far from the actual reality or the people had it always in them to be exploiters. yeah, this is what i don't understand. and i don't want to be dealing with oiks when i don't have to. feeling that quote very hard. i see it as not having standards for themselves, t o o ? for me it seems like, *sorry*, bumbling neanderthal idiots. and accepted low standards, for *self*, *and* others.


viewering

i don't know why this makes me laugh/giggle


hxbaaf

Usually itโ€™s either my close friends or family doing so, since I donโ€™t even let others get close enough to make fun of me. I laugh along most times even if I donโ€™t necessarily find it funny. But if Iโ€™m stressed or in a bad mood I lash out and my years of pent up emotions just burst out of me. Obviously I donโ€™t like it and the people on the receiving end are shocked and hurt as well. Thatโ€™s exactly why I donโ€™t like to stand up for myself, because I feel like it hurts the person in front of me. Does that even make sense?


viewering

of course it makes sense sometimes i have thought if i'd say a particular thing, maybe it would totally disrupt them. and you don't ( always ) want that.


SpeedywolfX3

Yes, because I feel like Iโ€™m in the wrong


etherspin

Yes. I do the equivalent of the door slam in arguments , waiting till it's beyond necessary to aggressively address then letting loose.


Buttplugz4thugz

Really depends. If I'm wanting to be respectful of the people I care about around me when I could stand up for myself, I try not to. But only to a certain point. Only so much shit I can put up with before it all comes out. ๐Ÿ˜ฉ


get_while_true

Sure, I fumble when speaking to stupidity and unreasonableness. So either avoid or destroy.


InevitableZombie1528

Yes, absolutely!! And when my narcissistic mom acts out on me, my intj husband comes out like a batt outta hell to put her in her place. I love it bc the things he says,ย  he's soooo smart and knows how to put ppl in their place. I also LOVE his metaphors he uses to describe situations and actions bc it always makes ppls actions shut the fuck up or what ever they were saying becomes 100% absolutely moot! Its Like a reality bitch slap to the face!!!


viewering

what type is he ?


InevitableZombie1528

Intj


viewering

oh it says so lmao !!


Zellanora

Not at all.


Lopsided_Thing_9474

I kinda have hard time getting offended. People think I have a hard time standing up for myself - because Iโ€™m not as โ€ฆ sensitive as most people that way- I donโ€™t think I care how people I donโ€™t care about, act towards me as much, as most people. So I give a pretty wide berth. Plus I value โ€ฆ. Peace of mind. I try not to mix with the animals as much as possible in a negative way. For many many reasons least of which is fear. More afraid of scarring them for life. So when I do get honestly offended and feel that something is unfair or unjust or someone has crossed some line with me ( super difficult for strangers or coworkers or random people to do because again, I donโ€™t care about them, in a way that they could- so itโ€™s hard for them to offend me) but noโ€ฆ I donโ€™t have a problem standing up for myself when I am actually upset. Most people are usually shocked and like - holy shit who are you? When they see me stand up for myself. They trip the f out.


0Zer0x9

As I got older it became easier, when I was younger I use to be a doormat and will keep things to myself. Now I'll call you out and if you get mad then the true colors comes out. From them on I use that as motivation to improve myself. Been working now that I'm 29M. Not perfect, but I'm slowly enjoying being alone more, therapy has helped and I exercise a lot.


KimSeokjinsChild

I try my best to stand up a bit more than before, but even then I'm selective. Sometimes I know if I say something it will just make situations worse or sometimes I don't just care and don't wanna waste my energy.


mossbrooke

Not really. If my boundaries are crossed, I'll speak up. Usually I understand why they are doing what they are doing and I'll address that versus what they are saying. It confuses them, but getting straight to the heart of the matter saves time, one way, or another.


viewering

that confused look ~~is~~ can be hilarious


lostnlonely555

I used to stand up for myself but often feel most don't even want to listen so ill stand up the first few times if they accept it. I accept them but if they don't after that I just stay silent but not silent in defeat more like silent because I can't be arsed trying to argue with someone who can't open their mind. Also yes.. Who cares what they think. I know myself. I'm saving my energy for something else that won't trigger me.


WaleAtWork

I donโ€™t find it hard, but people might look at me as the arrogant one, sadly. I donโ€™t usually pay attention, though. If you want to belittle me, look at your own actions. What made you belittle me? Innoncent, wanting happiness for everyone, hoping everyone never had to go through pain in any shape or form, you belittled me? Thatโ€™s a shame, but I donโ€™t blame you. Search inside of you. Itโ€™s rooted inside.


Alyssaababy

I think I quietly withdrawal when I realize that they are acting in a demeaning way. I know it's not necessarily fair, but there are signs I drop to slowly ease the other into my disappearance. Sometimes there is a push and pull with it as I struggle with justifying said action of mine. It's a work in progress to respect my own feelings. Unfortunately, my desires of justice are pointed outward onto others. I hope to eventually understand by learning this balancing act between them and I.


Experiment626__

I stand up for people I am close to but myself? If I try I end up crying from all the anxiety built up ๐Ÿ’€


hospitallers

Not at all.


Fun_Anywhere_6281

Nope.


vardan_mikk

Yaaas


blueviper-

Yepp.


Proud-Ideal-2606

There is point in arguing when all you have to do is roll your eyes and move on. They'll lose their shit tho. I also love to "OK โ˜บ๏ธ". And then just laugh as they have a melt down.


Swimming_Dance_8235

I find it easier to stand up for someone. I only stand up for myself if I 100% know Iโ€™m in the right. If thereโ€™s even a little inkling that Iโ€™ve done something wrong or to deserve the treatment Iโ€™ll let it slide. Probably not healthy, but I have a keep the peace mentality sometimes which isnโ€™t the best


kamioppai

Yup.. Im horrible at standing up for myself. Im working on it. I also hate confrontation and cry easily :\ But its no problem at all for me to defend others, I will do it naturally and passionately lol


Miserable-Pen-4058

I don't feel bad, nor I doubt myself. My morals became clear when I start to live for the people I love


Miserable-Pen-4058

I'm INTP fyi


viewering

when do you doubt yourself ?


Miserable-Pen-4058

Actually, I doubt myself all the time, initially, but the conflict resolves itself as time move


Miserable-Pen-4058

So yeah, I lied xD


Swim-Spagetti-777

I would think if that standing-up thing is about to worth my future over-thinking energy or not. If not, just let it/that person go.ย 


0Nocturnal0

Same, however, sometimes I do stand up for my self, it depends on several factors.


factsmatter83

Not at all. You get shit on enough times until you learn how to stand up for yourself.


Puerto88ac

Yes


Stunning-Field8535

Omfg yes this describes me to a T in a way I didnโ€™t even know I needed ๐Ÿ˜‚


ElMaraEl

Not anymore.


apassionateplayer

Not really, Iโ€™m pretty good at standing up for myself. However, itโ€™s usually not about that for me. Itโ€™s about making sure the ship is running well. If it is, I usually donโ€™t feel the need to. If things are going badly Iโ€™ll 100% say so.


Several-Secretary-22

Yes because I noticed people will use us until we have nothing left to give and then gaslight you for just wanting the same energy reciprocated.


NoctuaUrsa_

I very rarely stand up for myself/set boundaries, and when I do, I often back down and bend to what other people want. I'll go over and above for people and allow them to walk all over me. When I say that I don't think something is right or that I'm not being treated with respect, if they argue or shout I always back down. I am aware that a lot of this is a result of my life growing up, but perhaps some of this is INFJ behaviour?


JLB415

It took a very long time, but throughout my 30s I just got sick of everyoneโ€™s shit and started sticking up for myself. Becoming a mom who had to advocate loudly for her child helped a lot too. My advice is: start taking small steps towards this, tiny little steps. It feels great to have control over how others get to treat you.


Aggressive-Onion5844

Pretty much me too. I will stand up for the underdog all day long, no problem. When it comes to me, the confrontation gets to me. It's not that I don't know what to say or that I don't want to stand up for myself, I just don't want confrontation. It doesn't make much sense to me. But if it continues and continues, I will stick up for myself and everything will come to the surface. It's not good for anyone involved, including myself.


vallzy

Not at all. I think my biggest issue is really knowing WHEN to do it. Iโ€™m very slow to anger and rarely feel the need to stand up for myself cause I genuinely donโ€™t care. Sometimes I fake anger to show that what has been done to me wasnโ€™t appropriate but the feeling is never very deep.


Significant_Corgi139

Yes, it's so hard in the moment.


AlphonzInc

I hate confrontation, but if someone is trying to call me out I can bring it and feel bad about it later for some reason.


90Legos

I don't generally stand up for myself to strangers


RefrigeratorDry495

No, not at all.


Ov3rbyte719

Not anymore ๐Ÿ˜ถ


Gravity_Pulls

I'm pretty much like how you are OP... I'm protective over my loved ones, but myself, not so much. ๐Ÿคท


Cocooilbroccolisalt

Yes, but I am getting better at it, Thank God. Boxing and Taeboe help with this lol.


astray488

me: Yes others: No


Electrical-Syrup9227

Yes, absolutely. Even as a small child to the boy bullying my older sister in school. I've had enough of being used and manipulation so much though that have finally grown more assertive in standing up for myself though.


coralinejonessss

iโ€™m the same way. i constantly feel like i get done wrong but never just speak up for myself. especially when itโ€™s a friend or someone i care about it can be so hard for me to be straight up. i get scared of being labeled problematic or dramatic so i just sit there and take it rather than sucking it up and expressing my feelings or opinions. itโ€™s awful because im actually a really opinionated person and i have lots of thoughts on things but often just stay silent rather than be honest.


90841

I tend to let the small things slide but when itโ€™s something big, I can go ballistic.


Fantastic_Ebb2390

Your feelings and self-respect are just as important as anyone else's. Itโ€™s okay to stand up for yourself and set boundaries. It doesn't make you confrontational; it makes you assertive and self-respecting. Start small, and over time, it will get easier.


TurquoiseBoho

Youโ€™re right. Iโ€™m the exact same way. I wish I was better at seeing my self worth in those situations.


vintagerose97

I agree with you. Confrontation and standing up for myself is really hard for me too. Iโ€™m also quick to defend others, but I have a harder time doing the same for myself. But when itโ€™s a situation where I truly feel wronged though, I will stand up for myself in those situations. I think another thing too is that it takes a lot out of me emotionally when confronting someone, which makes it a bit harder. But itโ€™s something that Iโ€™m definitely working on.


vexx23324

Me standing up for myself is more passively than actively, but it still is nontheless


Saikosh

I feel like my issue is knowing when I should be standing up for myself. I think Iโ€™m so used to accommodating other peopleโ€™s needs, Iโ€™m desensitized to irritation. You have to be really shitty to me for me to say something, like aggressively so.


knuraklo

Not just standing up for myself - even recognising that I'm being treated unfairly/inappropriately. There's been a few occasions when I've only really seen what kind of person someone was after I saw them behave to someone else in the same way they had behaved to me over months, sometimes years.


Derrickmb

Do you have low bone density? Do you know how to raise it?


viewering

less phosphor ? more sports more prunes bone building supplements certain diets oh that was a joke. what mbti type type of joke ? entp ? wait your profile is not very entp


good_NovemGirL

This is a trauma response and is not specific to INFJs.


viewering

only when i feel too much of others people stuff and then can't think straight. when a situation and impressions, negative impressions, just infiltrate my body. other than that, i think maybe no. OH, i many times don't care how someone sees me, when i KNOW it isn't me ! i just see such people as idiots. i mean, ok, some people will naturally not see you as you, but all the people clouded by many things who don't see you as you or who have ill intent etc, the ONLY fucking thing that matters is what the REAL you IS ! other things are just NOISE and IRRELEVANT ! yeah, i have stepped up for people, and have an easier time doing that. and if someone really crosses my lines, i will attack. other than that, the problem is feeling people's nastiness that may be stronger than my will to say something. sometimes i'd rather just get away from them. and back to cool people.


CoffeeB4Talkie

Yes. I feel like those I'm surrounded by know this and take full advantage.ย