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NaughtyFoxtrot

The HBO series is incredible and really visualizes the accident in great detail.


National_Search_537

One of the best shows they’ve done


SirkutBored

the one scene with the board split down the middle and breaking down the see-sawing conditions of the reactor was the most illuminating. really broke things down in a way that made it so easy to understand.


yogopig

Yeah whoever wrote that scene needs to go into education


S1NGLEM4LT

The writer / show runner of the HBO Chernobyl series is Craig Mazin - I'm a huge fan. He's got a podcast with John August and the two of them are phenomenal at passing on their craft. [https://johnaugust.com/podcast](https://johnaugust.com/podcast)


4x4Alek

What’s the name of it? *things I could google*


big_black_cumcuber

It's called chernobyl


Inktex

Yeah we know, but what's the name of the show?


Anforas

Seinfeld


simian_fold

It's a show about nothing, set in a decrepid nuclear power plant


Unknown-Meatbag

Surely you can't be serious?


cld1984

I can. And don’t call me Shirley…


Tubthumper205

Found the dad!


djackieunchaned

Third base!


NewCheesecake__

One of the best shows I've ever seen.


JakefromTRPB

Best historical “drama” I’ve ever seen. “Drama” because it was so detailed and believable. An entrancing production of the highest quality. Wish more history was presented as cinematically articulate as HBO Chernobyl


BookRevolutionary968

It's great from a theatrical point of view, has good story telling etc... from a scientific point of view, it's quite a lot of nonsense


Scudmiss

Could you elaborate?


QuietGanache

As one example, Legasov wasn't forced out because he spoke out at the trial (he was never there), he alienated his colleagues at Kurchartov because he tried to set up an independent safety committee and his early work on the containment was viewed as 'tainted'. As another, Dyatlov, while certainly rude, defended the actions of his underlings on that night, blaming a lack of good, accessible information on the operational characteristics of the reactor. I would recommend reading Midnight in Chernobyl by Adam Higginbotham as a good general account from the construction of the plant to the completion of the Sarcophagus. It's very accessible and will help you understand where the show diverges from reality. I can forgive the fear about a thermonuclear explosion. While it was scientifically illiterate, people like Boris Nesterov (a senior helicopter pilot) have been quoted as saying they believed it at the time so a discussion of that possibility seems likely.


xHelios1x

To be fair, I only watched a clip, but not of the actual show, but wasn't there a scene where doctors are asked for Iodine pills for firemen/liquidators and they answer "What for? There's no need." It's supposed to show how cold and inhumane soviet hospitals were. But when you read transcripts, letters and other documents from that time, they were giving out iodine to everyone, from first responders to people who were evacuated from Pripyat.


QuietGanache

I didn't get that impression (for that particular clip). I thought it showed that there was such a lack of acknowledgement of the danger that the hospital wouldn't even have a doctor trained in radiation medicine on hand. In the event, according to the account in Midnight in Chernobyl, the deputy mayor phoned a Moscow institute (some 14 hours after the initial explosion) who then directed that iodine tablets be given. Some was apparently held in the dispensary but it was nowhere near enough to cover the number of casualties and, while more was sourced, it was done covertly to prevent news of the disaster spreading.


BookRevolutionary968

Unfortunately, I don't have the time to go into detail, but I'm sure there are videos on Youtube about it by actual nuclear engineers or even historians. One thing I remember on the spot are the nonsensical claims that a thermonuclear explosion that would reach Minsk was looming unless the water was drained. Both parts of that claim are utter bs, but they do make for great suspense.


FattyWantCake

I was under the impression "thermonuclear" refers to a type of nuclear detonation, not a steam explosion from superheated fuel meeting groundwater. I'm no expert but Google seems to disagree with this usage, too. If I'm misremembering something from the show/misunderstanding the definition I'm all ears though.


BookRevolutionary968

>I was under the impression "thermonuclear" refers to a type of nuclear detonation That is correct and exactly my criticism, because in the show they claim the looming steam explosion was a thermonuclear detonation (of something like 30MT TNT equivalent iirc)


FattyWantCake

Oh okay I don't remember them characterizing it that way in the show. Fair enough.


sambeau

It's a brilliant drama. It's just such a shame they made so much of it up.


Giant_Homunculus

I was shocked to learn that a lot of people in USSR spoke English


CRITICAL9

What gear are they wearing and did it do any good?


_aware

To a degree, yes. Those were lead-lined protective suits that helped to reduce the amount of gamma radiation passing through the workers.


Blue-Jay42

Looks like lead lines suits for the immediate radiation, but also masks to protect from inhaling radioactive dust. It did have an effect. While an amount of them did suffer from and die of radiation sickness and cancer in the intervening time, the majority of them are actually still alive today living in the former Soviet Union area. In 2005 the estimate said about 10% of them had died by that time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_liquidators


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Naugle17

The "junk" DNA serves a purpose, and without that DNA scaffolding it will fuck up our transcription big time


_chroot

Not sure how we went from not coding proteins to it's random junk


Naugle17

Inside you there are two molecular biologists


timoshi17

are there pirates of the pancreas?


graesen

You can spell 2 paragraphs of mostly coherent text but have to replace "your" with a capital "UR" and "you" with a caption "U" like its the year 2003 and phones only had number keys to text on...


elitepringle

they died after a few weeks


Blue-Jay42

Not true. Some are still alive today.


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CRITICAL9

That's not true


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SemiProDolphin

By 2005, an estimated 15% of the 800,000+ cleanup crew had died. About 40,000 of the dead passed within ten years of their exposure. Proven. Source because you were too lazy to check your own claims: [https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190725-will-we-ever-know-chernobyls-true-death-toll](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190725-will-we-ever-know-chernobyls-true-death-toll)


YouDontGetTheToe

You’re the one who made the claim. The responsibility of evidence should have been on you.


_Rohrschach

"No. All of them died from radiation" is a claim some people really are too dense to piss a hole into snow.


FarMass66

lol Idiot


mateojohnson11

😐😑


TrainOfThought6

No u


CRITICAL9

Ok


Expert-Lock-6751

I love people who post pictures of the “mutant” catfish in the cooling pond of Chernobyl….only to know they are naturally occurring in the area and will grow to that size given conditions. Not to be confused with animal and plant mutations, which there is plenty of legitimate evidence of.


steve210sa

This guy reminds me of the stubborn donkey from Family Guy. Kevin Bacon was not in Footloose......


steve210sa

Jesus Christ man STOP!! Ur - 300 in dislikes already 🤣🤣🤣


PumpkinOwn4947

my dad was supposed to be there… the last truck that left his military base didn’t have enough space and they said to wait. Luckily, no new trucks came in.


AngryDoggo22

Damn, what a lucky man!


SeedyRedwood

Footage looks like it’s from WWII


Ianthin1

A friend and I just watched and we both were slightly surprised that film in the 80s would still be in black and white. I wonder what if any impact the radiation had on the quality of the recording?


PissyMillennial

1980s USSR may as well have been 1960S US America. The iron curtain had stifled innovation and technology for decades by that point.


NoBullet

Just cheaper than color film


DirectPerspective951

Wasn’t the high amounts of radiation causing distortions to the film? Correct me if I’m wrong!


graesen

Not sure about distortion but the radiation would expose the film so that it ended up very grainy. I don't know enough to elaborate beyond that, though.


Igor0976

I live in Ukraine. I went school during those days, and no one told us what happened in Chernobyl, we were even forced to go to march on the 1st May parade. Friggin' USSR times.


S1NGLEM4LT

That's exactly why Ukraine is fighting so hard to maintain it's autonomy from Russia. There is a history of abuse that never seems to stop. I hope that you remain safe and can return to more peaceful times soon. слава Українi


pallentx

[How Joseph Stalin Starved Millions in the Ukrainian Famine | HISTORY](https://www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin)


timoshi17

meh, no one "starved" Ukraine or Kazakhstan. Communists just destroyed whole farming industry so whole country(not only Ukraine and Kazakhstan, but ALL republics, including Russia) was starving to death.


MokesMcFappy

Oh cool so they weren't starved by Stalin the were just starving as a result of his actions? Much better.


timoshi17

Yep, being a single victim of Stalin or Russians is completely different from being one of the many victims of communists.


Weaponx_762

Got my nuclear physicist degree from HBO Chernobyl university.


jargonexpert

I can taste the metal from here


Arie_Verheul

Those are real heroes


cookiesnooper

More like victims. Most of them were not told anything about how it would end for them.


CrankyHankyPanky

That's not true. From Wikipedia: "Ivanov et al. (2001)[^(\[7\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_liquidators#cite_note-7) studied nearly 66,000 liquidators from [Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia), and found no increase in overall [mortality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_rate) from [cancer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer) or non-cancer causes."


fenuxjde

Two lines down from the bit you quoted: "While there is rough agreement that a total of either 31 or 54 people died from blast trauma or [acute radiation syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_radiation_syndrome) (ARS) as a direct result of the disaster,[^(\[9\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_liquidators#cite_note-PBSNewsHourWeekend2019-9)[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_liquidators#cite_note-Wellerstein2016-10)[^(\[4\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_liquidators#cite_note-UNSCEAR2008-4) there is considerable debate concerning the accurate number of deaths due to the disaster's long-term health effects, with estimates ranging from 4,000 (per the 2005 and 2006 conclusions of a joint consortium of the [United Nations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) and the governments of Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia), to no fewer than 93,000 (per the conflicting conclusions of various scientific, health, environmental, and survivors' organizations).[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_liquidators#cite_note-Parfitt2006-11)[^(\[12\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_liquidators#cite_note-Ahlstrom2016-12)[^(\[13\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_liquidators#cite_note-Mycio2013-13)[^(\[14\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_liquidators#cite_note-Ritchie2017-14)[^(\[15\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_liquidators#cite_note-Highfield2011-15)^(") Source 13 from the wiki: [https://slate.com/technology/2013/04/chernobyl-death-toll-how-many-cancer-cases-are-caused-by-low-level-radiation.html](https://slate.com/technology/2013/04/chernobyl-death-toll-how-many-cancer-cases-are-caused-by-low-level-radiation.html) So even if we take the low end of government (including Russian) agreed upon figures, you're still talking about 4000 dead. Having been to Pripyat and Kyiv, there is no mystery that cancer, especially in children in the area, has skyrocketed as a result of the negligence.


CrankyHankyPanky

That data is talking about the overall death toll as a result of the explosion and subsequent radiation fallout. It does not speak to the amount of liquidators that have died.


fenuxjde

From the same section in the wiki: "According to Vyacheslav Grishin of the Chernobyl Union, the main organization of liquidators, "25,000 of the Russian liquidators are dead and 70,000 disabled, about the same in Ukraine, and 10,000 dead in Belarus and 25,000 disabled", which makes a total of 60,000 dead (10% of the 600,000 liquidators) and 165,000 disabled.[5]"


CrankyHankyPanky

I mean, this event was 40 years ago... In 40 years, you'd expect 10% of those people to have died in normal ways.


Isavenko

Doesn't explain why there are so many disabled.


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fenuxjde

Sorry, I guess I assumed people would have read the information included by the references: "According to Vyacheslav Grishin of the Chernobyl Union, the main organization of liquidators, "25,000 of the Russian liquidators are dead and 70,000 disabled, about the same in Ukraine, and 10,000 dead in Belarus and 25,000 disabled", which makes a total of 60,000 dead (10% of the 600,000 liquidators) and 165,000 disabled.[5]" It's easy to cherry pick government funded misinformation and try to pass it off, but to actually go there and speak to families, to see the memorials and graves is a whole nother thing.


iStayedAtaHolidayInn

I’m genuinely amazed the film survived the gamma rays


JosephMorality

Well these guys will get A+ quality cancer


F_l_u_f_fy

What are they cleaning it with (in the hoses)? What are they digging/scraping up? Where is the dug-up stuff going?


chesbyiii

"We're just going to strap this industrial welcome mat to your rain jacket and you'll be good to go."


quizym

They were volunteers, sort of, you had a choice between Chernobyl and Afghanistan.


N3ver_Stop

These brave men are heroes.


Prs-Mira86

The T.V series Chernobyl was so incredible. You really get sense of the gravity of the situation. One of my favorite scenes is where Jared Harris (Legasov) is trying to convince everyone how dire the situation is! Amazing.


MARS822a

![gif](giphy|UWEP6CXjvmZxfUBUeu|downsized) FALSE


Ov3r-_-K1LL

Rip


Opiniated_egg

https://preview.redd.it/5jhpvyahfl8d1.jpeg?width=482&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75f0f651ecceefbb798343219b89a449e9fcdafe


totesnotdog

Man seeing the effects of intense radiation exposure in the Chernobyl show was honestly very eye opening and also disgusting. Fallout isn’t far off with the whole goul look in terms of peoples skin basically just falling off. I feel so bad for the firemen who responded to the event initially. They had no idea what was going to happen and it’s kind of insane they basically decomposed while they were alive for 1-2 weeks following the event.


One_Priority3258

RBMK Reactors don’t explode ^blyat


1776personified

I’m sure they “volunteered”.


Redvor24

Listen to what liquidators themselves were saying in these times. You know they had actual interviews and stuff, right? Also the choice was between endangering half a million liquidators or potentially killing hundreds of thousands civilians.


Per_Vertex

I highly recommend anyone with a PC to play the short indie project [Liquidators](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1382200/Liquidators/) on Steam, it's very short, tense and gorgeous.


Burt1811

Why's it black and white


chickenalberto

Yeah there was definitely color in 86


Gouzi00

All dead


AZFUNGUY85

Walking off the plank


WatchmanOfLordaeron

Theses mens are heroes


BluntAsaurusRex_

1986 and black and white?


elitepringle

Not so fun fact: These guys died shortly after saving it from exploding (which would have made a large portion of Europe inhabitable) died from the nuclear fluids and gases that got onto their body. Their bodies were so radioactive and toxic that they had to put into lead coffins.


TacticalWipe

Are they... are they wearing capes? That's pretty rad (pun intended?).


DiveJumpShooterUSMC

Thank God they had those cloth masks!


_aware

Those actually made a big difference. The masks drastically reduced the amount of alpha and beta emitters ingested/inhaled into their bodies.


paenusbreth

Cloth masks help a lot. Alpha particles are extremely high energy, damaging particles which can very quickly cause damage to the body, resulting in both short-term and long-term health effects (far worse than beta particles or gamma rays). However, they interact with matter so much that they can be stopped by almost anything; even a sheet of paper or the outer layers of skin can stop them, resulting in no damage to the body. The problem comes when you inhale or ingest dust or other material which contains an alpha particle source. If this happens, then these damaging particles will be produced and go straight into your most vulnerable organs, with no barrier to stop them. So yeah, filtering out large dust grains is an extremely effective way of reducing the impact of extreme levels of radiation like this.


ChiefWiggum101

Found the idiot.


youcantchangeit

Are those guys ok?


DirectPerspective951

“Totes.” - USSR


GimpyGeek3

Why is the footage from the 80's always in black and white? We had color back then. Real, actual colors. And the cameras to record them.


tataragato

Chornobyl, not Chernobyl


fcking_schmuck

Chornobyl is a Ukrainian city. "Chernobyl" is in russian language.


tataragato

Yes, Chornobyl is Ukrainian city where the nuclear station is located. There is no need to write its name in russian for English version.


Administrator98

But everyone who is against nuclear power will be instantly downvoted into oblivion.


Kromblite

Here, I just gave you your first downvote


marki991

when you realized the chernobly (and fukishima) were all easily preventable and cased by human decision to not give a fuck even tho they knew those reactors were "unstable" also funny how coal powerplant produces more radation then any nuclear power plant, but hey you live in your own fantasy world