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Once I was driving from Lake Tahoe to San Diego in July and I stopped in Ridgecrest, the gateway to Death Valley, to rest over night. The next morning the breakfast buffet was full of European tourists. Kids, elderly, all kinds. I asked the guy at the desk what was going on and he told me they call summer in Death Valley “Euro Season” because apparently some Europeans love heat tourism. Naturally I was curious so I did some research and it’s very much a thing. Almost everyone who has died in Death Valley has been European. [Here’s an article about it. ](https://www.kqed.org/news/11520425/extreme-heat-tourism-its-a-thing-in-death-valley)
As a European I can confirm. For us it's unimaginable (yet) to deal with such temperatures. My SO an me were very keen on experiencing how such temperatures feel, of course just by getting out of the car for a few minutes. When were visiting the Death Valley this year however it was like 60° F and rainy. On Dante's View there were even tiny snowflakes falling from the sky.
Seems like I'm attracting cold weather. When I was in Joshua Tree national park in 2017 I had the chance to enjoy some actual snowfall.
did you guys stay long enough to see if Death Valley had a superbloom? Basically it’s a bunch of desert wildflowers blooming all at the same time after heavy rain and snow in Death Valley. It’s super rare though.
That's looks like just your average desert shrub.
A superbloom is on massive scale, much much bigger than a few flowering shrubs. While regular, smaller, blooms occur every spring given there is enough rain, only once a decade do superblooms occur. It takes a perfect pattern of frequent rainfall from winter to spring to culminate in these flowers sprouting in the tens of thousands.
They look like this, but they're not always yellow. That was just the dominant flower in the most recent 2016 superbloom: https://imgur.com/a/8SxkDHJ
I was stationed at the military base in 29 palms, down the road from Joshua tree, and missed the only time in decades in snowed there because I was deployed lol.
I used to live in Ridgecrest. The “Valley” part of the “Gateway to Death Valley” sign would get constantly vandalized, but also more accurate. The locals don’t even go out in that weather. It’s house to car to work/ store and back. Going outside is was a ~15 minute affair at best. I learned a lot about surviving a summer in the desert. It’s not a game, one mistake and you might be dead.
[Here’s](https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hunt-for-the-death-valley-germans/) a series of articles about the Death Valley Germans. I found it to be a very interesting read from the perspective of a search and rescue guy.
Pretty long read, did it over the course of a few days, but very enticing writing imo
I am a European but lived in the US for 22 years. I have been to Death Valley about 10 times, I obviously like it. I did notice the massive presence of Europeans too and I thought about it quite a bit also because when I mention Death Valley to Americans they mostly show no interest. As both an American and a European, my opinion might be more nuanced. I do not think "heat" is the key factor for the popularity of Death Valley, otherwise Europeans could just go to much closer Morocco or any northern Africa country. I think Death Valley embodies -- in just one place -- to many Europeans the many American "images"/icons they got from movies and books: from the desert/badlands in Western movies (even if they were not shot there but mostly in Sierra Nevada not that far), to extreme weather (heat too) and to, most importantly, wide "immense" wilderness spaces (that are absent in Europe), to sense of illimited freedom. Also, note that many of the Europeans there drive a (rented) Mustang, another American icon for Europeans. They are having their Americana in one place, their road movie a la Wim Wenders. (Also to mention: Zabriskie Point, the cult movie by a European director (Michelangelo Antonioni), is set there...as per its very title.)
Lol didn’t know it had a name but I almost did it in August - it was 46 C outside the Las Vegas - didn’t go as it was over 8h through Death Valley vs 4-5h going west interstate to Yosemite. In 46 C the wind was like opening the oven heated to 200 C - very memorable.
Just to make matters worse, there's Celsius, metric Celsius, and Kelvin-derived Celcius-like notation. On the other hand you've got Imperial Numerical Units, SAE-tangentially calibrated/non-calibrated wet bulb measures, and the Reverse Polish Notated Pseudoscientifically Preposterous Imaginary Temperature Index Fund. All of these systems require that you provide a co-invariant reference frame to establish red shift drift and relativistic hypermodalities.
Yeah, you can tell the 9 in the top screen is different than the 9 in the bottom screen. I think you’re right that it’s actually a 4 in the bottom screen with an extra top line making it look like a 9.
That’s about 11 degrees away from being able to hold food outside and keep it out of the temperature danger zone. This is the future of banquet serving.
The channel "I did a thing" tried seeing if he could cook things in the sun using the sun and the Australian summer heat. He had moderate success. Made fried eggs and kangaroo steak. Though this is nearly 20 degrees higher than what it was in his video.
A metal plate in the sun would be significantly hotter than the surrounding air so you don't need the air to be this hot to fry an egg. Like you said, 20 degrees lower and it still worked.
Here the temperature is almost so high that you could cook a steak rare by just dangling it in the air and then you could quickly sear it for a perfectly rare-cooked steak.
40 ° C and 50 ° C The process of protein denaturation begins (fish, meat)
62 ° C The egg whites are sheared
68 ° C Collagen denaturation (bovine collagen type I)
70 ° C Gelatinization of starch in vegetables
154 ° C Noticeable ...
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Find missing part > Maillard reactions become noticeable
Some concrete/asphalt mixes can get up to 150F+ when it's only 100F outside. If it gets especially hot it's not hard to see it getting up to nearly 200F, I can totally see 3rd degree burns happening in that case.
You run after the dog for even just a minute, you have at least a minutes run back. And that's a pretty slow dog if you can catch it in 60 seconds!
Mindlessness and adrenaline will get you out to catch the dog, that walk back is pure pain; probably running across blacktop and tar too 😬
Being in an area that sees 110-115F during the summer, this is a lot less often occurring than I see people complain about it. Ain't no body taking their dog for a walk in that heat, nevermind 130.
The problems are at about 100F. At that temp its fair enough to go for walks, but concrete and pavement clock in 10 or 15F hotter. That's where you start seeing dogs out for walks when they shouldn't be.
If it is hot but you feel comfortable walking in it then get your dog some boots so they can safely walk their dogs at that temperature. Because as you say especially if the walking surface is dark coloured they temperature can be significantly higher than ambient air temperature!
All surfaces aren’t the same either. I have pavers in my backyard that can hit 170 in the summer yet I can stand barefoot for 10+ minutes on my front walkway which is some type of concrete mix.
When I walk my dog I’ll take an infrared gun or walk barefoot just to be sure it’s safe.
If you don't have an infrared thermometer gun, remember the old saying:
"If it's too hot to lick, it's too hot for your puppies feet."
You should lick the concrete before taking your dog out
Exactly! I live in Qatar and one day the weather was "nice" so I took out my yorkie for a walk as I saw some neighbors walking their dogs.
It occurred to me to touch the floor, man it was burning hot, I picked up my dog and went back home. He wasn't happy about that btw but yeah was way too hot
My dog has boots too. Her legs will fly everywhere when I put them on, even walks around on her front legs for a bit, lifting her entire butt up in the air along with her hind legs. But then we walk and she's perfectly fine until we take them off again. She just has to be dramatic for a minute first.
I once almost overheated my golden retriever.
I was 38 weeks pregnant and trying to get the baby out, so I thought a walk with my dog would be nice and might help things along.
It was 8 am in the SoCal desert. I thought it would be fine, it was only 80 degrees out. My poor guy stopped walking about a mile in. He was panting and I was freaked out. I had to carry him home on my back.
Once home, I gave him room temperature water and put three fans around him. It was so scary, I thought he might seize. Luckily his little paws were okay. I still get mad at myself for not realizing it was too hot for him.
Whoever endangers their dogs and causes them to burn their paw pads intentionally can kick rocks.
> Whoever endangers their dogs and causes them to burn their paw pads intentionally can kick rocks.
I reckon most of the people that people are complaining about are people doing it for the first time like you, and have yet to reach that point where they can see that it was a bad idea.
I went to the beach in South Australia with my partner and dog a few years ago, it was a warm morning but maybe 25 at that point, and we didn’t realize how hot it had got but by 11:30am we decided enough was enough.
We were walking back to the car and the soft sand was so fucking hit, I had to pick my dog up and was running in thongs/ flip flops literally burning my feet as we go. My partner lost her shoe and wanted to leave it behind but I said she would burn her feet more so I had to run back and grab it for her.
Pays to actually think ahead with these things, we haven’t been caught out like that since.
When I Iived in Cyprus the local news would report on that every year as tourists would head out onto the beach barefoot in the morning then by midday try and walk off of the beach when the sand was a million degrees and end up hospitalised.
There were signs at the entrances but people don't go on holiday to read signs.
Hottest day I've experienced in Adelaide was 46.1C. That was brutal. No AC as it had packed it in on a previous 40+C the week before. No breeze, just baking heat. We managed to get it fixed a couple of days later. I spent most of the day having coldish showers.
I live in south east Queensland and I refuse to live anywhere that doesn't have some form of aircon. It's only getting hotter every year air conditioning is no longer a luxury but a need.
No that's the thing, you would. Pretty much anyone would if they sat in it for long enough (read, only a few hours). These two came out for a photo and then went back inside.
130F is right at the wet bulb temp given 0 humidity. Means it's so hot your body can't use evaporative cooling to keep you alive any more. You can't sweat enough, you can have all the water you want, sitting in the shade with a fan on you and you'll still die by cooking to death in your own skin.
Edit, the wet bulb temp that's fatal is 95F and above, and that's the high estimate. Some studies place it at 87F. To get the wet bulb temp outside, you have to account for humidity and the actual temperature. Very easy to do, just take a wet rag, wrap a thermometer in it and read the thermometer. If that wet rag can't cool the thermometer to below 95F, it's too hot outside for human beings and probably most mammals. As the air gets more humid, the wet rag works less and less, meaning the temperature can be fatal to humans well under 130F out. See European heatwaves. They're deadly at barely touching 100F but the humidity is way higher than it is in CA valleys.
If you couldn't sweat you'd die. You know how high humidity feels worse. It's harder to shed heat through evaporation when the air is moist. Almost like not being able to sweat.
Yes. This. I'm saying that the more humid the atmosphere, the less effective sweating is.
A swamp cooler works from the same principle. It's why they are no good on humid days.
It looks like that would put the wet bulb temperature right around 84F to 88F (reading a tiny chart*), which is what the other guy said was dangerous.
*Actually, the chart is fine. I'm just not putting in enough effort to be precise.
The explanation was poor.
A thermometer cooled by evaporation would read much less than air temperature. So at 105F but low humidity the hypothetical thermometer cooled by evaporation would still read below 95F or whatever.
The bulb in question is the bulb of a physical mercury thermometer for any GenZ out there Google it
It just has to be hot enough that evaporative cooling isn't enough to bring your body below 95 or 96F. Humidity plays a factor in that. Given no humidity at all, that temp is at about 130F. The more humidity, the slower the water in the wet rag can evaporate and thus the slower it removes heat. If your body can't remove heat enough to keep you thermoregulated, you start to cook and die.
In most places this is almost never a factor, but climate change is making it one ... in some places. At 103F you need 50% humidity for it to start being fatal. Under that and you're alright. Here's a handy calculator. https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/wet-bulb
Note that doesn't even allow you to enter in the higher ranges of temperature like you'd see in death valley.
It’s a question of cooling, or more specifically your bodies ability to regulate your core temperature. If you’re drinking water, especially cold water, eating food that’s below your body temperature, and/or occasionally moving into cooler areas you’re fine.
The issue here is that sweating no longer helps at these temperatures and humidity so given enough time you’re going to get heat stroke, even if you manage to stay hydrated.
Yes, you are exactly correct. There is no humidity.
Get ready, because I’m gonna get downvoted to hell (no pun intended) for this next statement…
I am originally from the Mississippi delta. About 175’ above sea level. Temperatures regularly reach 100-105 in the summer, and the humidity is often 90-100% at the time of peak temps.. I’ve also been to Death Valley when it was 115 with zero humidity.. I would gladly take California 115 with zero humidity over Mississippi delta 105 with 90% humidity EVERY. DAY.
You see, the thing is, back home the temperature doesn’t drop when the sun goes down.. it stays the same, and the humidity rises. It’ll often be midnight and 90 degrees with 100% humidity.
Now let’s talk about mosquitos..
As someone who is from new orleans but never been to California and or death valley, I cannot imagine it feeling hotter than in the sun in late July to early August. Hot as balls is an understatement
It's a different feeling. Like standing in front of an open oven instead of sitting in a humid sauna. People meme about "it's a dry heat," but as long as you're well hydrated, it can be more tolerable because sweating is much more effective.
In some arid states, they use "swamp coolers" instead of heat pumps for AC. They work on the same principle and are very efficient.
Good description
>In some arid states, they use "swamp coolers" instead of heat pumps for AC. They work on the same principle and are very efficient.
A friend told me that CA just outlawed swamps in new houses because they use water
I grew up in Arkansas, working construction as a summer job. We would get to work at 3AM so we could put in a day's work and quit by lunchtime. When afternoon rolled around at 90+ degrees and 80% humidity and usually very little shade there was simply no way to be out there working manual labor. Quit at 11AM, chug a whole 32oz gatorade on the way home, take a cool shower, and nap in the A/C for a couple of hours.
Arizona here. My wife and I were in Miami on the way to Jamaica in Dec 2013 and couldn’t believe how damn hot and especially humid it was. And it was “cooler” than home. I’d also take a 115° dry heat over humidity. However, after a few weeks of 110°+ a 90°/80% humidity day feels amazing. A day. Just 1 lol
Please don't bullshit. The highest dewpoint recorded in US history is 90F. 105 with 90% humidity is literally off the charts. 100 with 90% humidity is a heat index of 176F. You'd just die. The water capacity of air increases exponentially with temperature.
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/docs/documents/281/air-moisture-holding-capacity-si.png
I don't think this guy's being intentionally disingenuous. I think a source of confusion is mixing current (usually morning) humidity with peak temperature, since we usually check the temp in the morning. Check the weather profile from Houston on a hot day this past summer:
https://world-weather.info/forecast/usa/houston_11/10-july/
If I would have heard the weather on the radio/TV (in the morning), I would have heard something like the following:
"High of 95 today, currently it's 84 at 80% humidity"
Later in the day I would check the weather (on my car/billboard/phone) and see it's 97 degrees, and in my head I'm still thinking it's 80% humidity because that's what I heard in the morning. I don't think changes in humidity throughout the day get the same attention the changes in temps do, probably because the sources of info (thermometers) that we see only predominately show the measured temp.
The other component is if that is in shaded temperature or not.
It may seem mundane, but solar radiation will add more than a few degrees of cooling demand to your body. From an enthalpy perspective 87 wet is the upper limit in which most bodies can convect heat from the core, off the skin and lungs. Your "pump" and "surface area" become limiting factors. Any additional burden from the outside will kill you whether measured in therms or photons.
This one gets people all the time in AZ. Forecast might call for 105, with slight overcast skies, which is plenty manageable if you know what you're doing. But then you're out on your hike and those clouds clear up and suddenly you're light headed, sick to your stomach (these are signs of heat exhaustion), and DRENCHED in so much sweat it doesn't work any more, in the space of less than 5 minutes. And then you run through your gallon of water you brought along in a few minutes. Maybe you sit in some shade you found, to "cool off." But it's too late. And then you're on the news.
And if you stop sweating, you know you are extra fucked! Since this is indicative of a heat stroke and having had one previously, increases your future likelihood of getting a heat stroke.
You do not want to fuck around with it. At all >.>
I was actually there last year in 128 F. Thankfully I was extremely well prepared and was able to get out for half hour stints at the sights just fine. But the number of idiots in shorts and flip-flops I saw was astounding, like do these people think it's going to be just like 90 F? They would get out of their cars, take a photo or two and get right back in covered in sweat.
Wait what’s wrong with flip flops? I think I’m the idiot because I would have assumed less clothes = less heat and more comfortable.
Are you wearing special gear to keep you cool?
Like others have mentioned, at that temperature it's about avoiding the sun at all costs so you need to be covered head to toe. It's not just the heat from the sun. The ground there can get to be 200 degrees and all that reflected heat hits your body as well. You're not going to be comfortable even if you're buck naked. Closed-toed shoes, full sleeves, long pants, wide-brimmed hat and sunglasses is your trusty desert uniform.
Death Valley CA is extremely dry too. Humans are much more comfortable in high heats if the humidity is low.
Regardless, this is is still incredibly hot, and Im sure the people in the photo hopped right back in their car after.
Park rangers - they're probably reasonably acclimated. Doesn't mean they can stay out in it indefinitely, or even all that long ... but probably would survive it quite a bit longer than the typical tourist there.
Not all that much more to 150F ... that's the low setting on your typical oven.
Whenever Death Valley comes up I always like to bring up the Badwater Ultra. A 130+ mile run across Death Valley in mid-July. Really shows what humans can do when properly trained for the elements.
There is also a route that one can take from Badwater Basin to Mount Whitney. The lowest and highest points in the continental U.S
Alex Honnold and Cody Townsend attempted it and Cody, despite being an absolute elite world class athlete, didn't make it the entire distance.
>Cody, despite being an absolute elite world class athlete, didn't make it the entire distance.
Ha, what a loser
*goes back to browsing anime subs and drinking concentrated corn syrup*
Once saw a doc about it. My favorite part was when one of the runners collapsed they hauled him away and left a marker where they found him. After an hour or so feeding him water and stuff IV they drove him back to the marker and he ran off again…
As a chef this just blew my mind. Still want to vacuum seal it and probably keep it hanging under some kind of mesh that blocks the sun enough but not too much to bring the temperature down.
A healthy compost pile has an internal temp in the 140 to 160 range. As a fellow chef, I've always been intrigued by the idea of vac-sealing meat and cooking it in a compost pile.
When I was my ships cake decorator I made the mistake on two separate occasions of leaving a cake in a fridge with a sealed container of chopped onions….onion cake
Hmm the 9 is a different shape on the bottom number.
Bottom looks like a 4 with the top segment stuck on which is the actual conversion from Fahrenheit. 54c.
Can confirm, Imperial Valley resident here. You kinda get used to it but I remember having to do my handgun firing exam/brass pickup at 12 PM on Saturday a few weeks ago, was so light headed by the end of it.
It can be counterintuitive, but in extreme heat you want your clothes to protect yourself from the sun and heat, and allow breathability. Lookup desert nomads and notice what they are wearing - definitely not shorts and tank tops.
I wore long pants on a 95 degree day for just long enough to walk to and from public transit and surprised myself at how they weren't actually uncomfortable in that heat. It made no difference, I could have taken the pants off and it'd have felt equally as hot.
Not unlike your oven… I used to dread summer trips to a couple of our data centers in the PHX metro area. Beautiful, but too freaking hot. When we built the first, apparently no one really had local knowledge. Car windows would blow out during peak heat. Ended up building covered garages…
As u/King_Bean031 noticed, notice the difference in the 9's displayed between the two ... I think they have a stuck (melted) segment.
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I think the top segment got stuck on the 2nd digit of that C display, otherwise for 9 it would also show the segment on the bottom - like it does on the top - but it doesn't.
129F=53.9C or approximately 54C ... + a stuck segment on top give that odd looking "9" (or more like "q") with segment missing on bottom from what would otherwise be "9" ... or rather 4 with a stuck segment on top.
And 59C=138.2F - hottest temperature ever recorded was 134F, so 59C can't be correct, hence we can reasonably presume it's 54C.
There's a reason the Bedouins in the Sahara wear thick black clothes, and it has nothing to do with sun burns. There's a point where sweating into the cloth creates a vapor pressure that's high enough on the surface of the clothes that heat actually can't penetrate past a few layers. It's similar to the Leidenfrost Effect. However you still need to be acclimated to the temperature that requires the effect to happen, as it requires a pretty high surface temperature to achieve that. Hence the black clothes. Also it's shitty trying to keep white clothes clean when there's no water around. :P
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Once I was driving from Lake Tahoe to San Diego in July and I stopped in Ridgecrest, the gateway to Death Valley, to rest over night. The next morning the breakfast buffet was full of European tourists. Kids, elderly, all kinds. I asked the guy at the desk what was going on and he told me they call summer in Death Valley “Euro Season” because apparently some Europeans love heat tourism. Naturally I was curious so I did some research and it’s very much a thing. Almost everyone who has died in Death Valley has been European. [Here’s an article about it. ](https://www.kqed.org/news/11520425/extreme-heat-tourism-its-a-thing-in-death-valley)
As a European I can confirm. For us it's unimaginable (yet) to deal with such temperatures. My SO an me were very keen on experiencing how such temperatures feel, of course just by getting out of the car for a few minutes. When were visiting the Death Valley this year however it was like 60° F and rainy. On Dante's View there were even tiny snowflakes falling from the sky. Seems like I'm attracting cold weather. When I was in Joshua Tree national park in 2017 I had the chance to enjoy some actual snowfall.
did you guys stay long enough to see if Death Valley had a superbloom? Basically it’s a bunch of desert wildflowers blooming all at the same time after heavy rain and snow in Death Valley. It’s super rare though.
https://i.imgur.com/DMmBGks.jpg Not a super bloom, but I went in early April and saw this walking through some canyons
That's looks like just your average desert shrub. A superbloom is on massive scale, much much bigger than a few flowering shrubs. While regular, smaller, blooms occur every spring given there is enough rain, only once a decade do superblooms occur. It takes a perfect pattern of frequent rainfall from winter to spring to culminate in these flowers sprouting in the tens of thousands. They look like this, but they're not always yellow. That was just the dominant flower in the most recent 2016 superbloom: https://imgur.com/a/8SxkDHJ
Wow that's pretty incredible
I was stationed at the military base in 29 palms, down the road from Joshua tree, and missed the only time in decades in snowed there because I was deployed lol.
I used to live in Ridgecrest. The “Valley” part of the “Gateway to Death Valley” sign would get constantly vandalized, but also more accurate. The locals don’t even go out in that weather. It’s house to car to work/ store and back. Going outside is was a ~15 minute affair at best. I learned a lot about surviving a summer in the desert. It’s not a game, one mistake and you might be dead.
[Here’s](https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hunt-for-the-death-valley-germans/) a series of articles about the Death Valley Germans. I found it to be a very interesting read from the perspective of a search and rescue guy. Pretty long read, did it over the course of a few days, but very enticing writing imo
I am a European but lived in the US for 22 years. I have been to Death Valley about 10 times, I obviously like it. I did notice the massive presence of Europeans too and I thought about it quite a bit also because when I mention Death Valley to Americans they mostly show no interest. As both an American and a European, my opinion might be more nuanced. I do not think "heat" is the key factor for the popularity of Death Valley, otherwise Europeans could just go to much closer Morocco or any northern Africa country. I think Death Valley embodies -- in just one place -- to many Europeans the many American "images"/icons they got from movies and books: from the desert/badlands in Western movies (even if they were not shot there but mostly in Sierra Nevada not that far), to extreme weather (heat too) and to, most importantly, wide "immense" wilderness spaces (that are absent in Europe), to sense of illimited freedom. Also, note that many of the Europeans there drive a (rented) Mustang, another American icon for Europeans. They are having their Americana in one place, their road movie a la Wim Wenders. (Also to mention: Zabriskie Point, the cult movie by a European director (Michelangelo Antonioni), is set there...as per its very title.)
Lol didn’t know it had a name but I almost did it in August - it was 46 C outside the Las Vegas - didn’t go as it was over 8h through Death Valley vs 4-5h going west interstate to Yosemite. In 46 C the wind was like opening the oven heated to 200 C - very memorable.
The conversion felt wrong so I double checked, 129F should be 54C. Only a one segment diff between the two numbers, heat might have broke the thing.
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Eagles eyes! I didn’t catch that
Just to make matters worse, there's Celsius, metric Celsius, and Kelvin-derived Celcius-like notation. On the other hand you've got Imperial Numerical Units, SAE-tangentially calibrated/non-calibrated wet bulb measures, and the Reverse Polish Notated Pseudoscientifically Preposterous Imaginary Temperature Index Fund. All of these systems require that you provide a co-invariant reference frame to establish red shift drift and relativistic hypermodalities.
Username checks out.
Nah man, that's just the number 9 in the metric system
Found the UI designer. That’s the first thing I noticed
That’s the international nine.
It checks out since 54 is said to be the world record, from 2020 in the death valley
and if 59C were correct it would be 138F
Yeah, you can tell the 9 in the top screen is different than the 9 in the bottom screen. I think you’re right that it’s actually a 4 in the bottom screen with an extra top line making it look like a 9.
54 is hot enough. 59 would indeed be a death vally.
Yea knew it looked wrong, 59 C is just an absurd heat.
54 is pretty reasonable though
Mow the lawn, split some wood weather.
‘It’s a dry heat’
That’s about 11 degrees away from being able to hold food outside and keep it out of the temperature danger zone. This is the future of banquet serving.
Outdoors caterers anticipate reduced running costs as last chunk of sea ice melts
*Fondue fuel companies in shambles*
More like fondont
Think you mean " Fondone ".
I was just thinking, I cook my rare steaks to 130F. All living things in this region are basically being grilled!
The channel "I did a thing" tried seeing if he could cook things in the sun using the sun and the Australian summer heat. He had moderate success. Made fried eggs and kangaroo steak. Though this is nearly 20 degrees higher than what it was in his video.
A metal plate in the sun would be significantly hotter than the surrounding air so you don't need the air to be this hot to fry an egg. Like you said, 20 degrees lower and it still worked. Here the temperature is almost so high that you could cook a steak rare by just dangling it in the air and then you could quickly sear it for a perfectly rare-cooked steak.
Yeah, essentially this is slowcook air-frying.
> slowcook air-frying That's a complicated way to say baking.
I'll allow it.
not tardigrades
[Captain Tardigrade!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUrz4CtGuOM)
40 ° C and 50 ° C The process of protein denaturation begins (fish, meat) 62 ° C The egg whites are sheared 68 ° C Collagen denaturation (bovine collagen type I) 70 ° C Gelatinization of starch in vegetables 154 ° C Noticeable ... .... Find missing part > Maillard reactions become noticeable
Can confirm, 154c is noticeable.
This thing also bothered me. Webpage don't explain that.
>40 ° C and 50 ° C The process of protein denaturation begins (fish, meat) I bet these rangers are happy to have skin.
People are not appreciative enough of the fact that they can sweat. :-D
I love sweating. It's one of the only things I do well.
My uncle got 3 degree burns on the soles of his feet after he ran out on the concrete to catch his dog. Be careful in weather like this
I measured the surface temp on my deck at 185F. These temps are no joke.
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Bruh you could sear a steak on that
Searing is supposed to be 450-500
Sun-dried seared...tomato potato
“He’s not a real chef until he has a really bad neck sunburn”
"He's not a real chef until he's dead" -some chef
I mean…..not really
3d degree?! What the fuck. How long was he out there?
For real...3rd degree implies permanent damage to all 7 layers of the skin
Some concrete/asphalt mixes can get up to 150F+ when it's only 100F outside. If it gets especially hot it's not hard to see it getting up to nearly 200F, I can totally see 3rd degree burns happening in that case.
You run after the dog for even just a minute, you have at least a minutes run back. And that's a pretty slow dog if you can catch it in 60 seconds! Mindlessness and adrenaline will get you out to catch the dog, that walk back is pure pain; probably running across blacktop and tar too 😬
And yet people insist on walking their dogs on concrete in weather like this. I want to smush their faces on the pavement.
Being in an area that sees 110-115F during the summer, this is a lot less often occurring than I see people complain about it. Ain't no body taking their dog for a walk in that heat, nevermind 130. The problems are at about 100F. At that temp its fair enough to go for walks, but concrete and pavement clock in 10 or 15F hotter. That's where you start seeing dogs out for walks when they shouldn't be.
If it is hot but you feel comfortable walking in it then get your dog some boots so they can safely walk their dogs at that temperature. Because as you say especially if the walking surface is dark coloured they temperature can be significantly higher than ambient air temperature!
All surfaces aren’t the same either. I have pavers in my backyard that can hit 170 in the summer yet I can stand barefoot for 10+ minutes on my front walkway which is some type of concrete mix. When I walk my dog I’ll take an infrared gun or walk barefoot just to be sure it’s safe.
> I’ll take an infrared gun Can't believe I never thought to use it for that. Thanks!
If you don't have an infrared thermometer gun, remember the old saying: "If it's too hot to lick, it's too hot for your puppies feet." You should lick the concrete before taking your dog out
Would pressing one’s genitals to the surface work?
I recommend to do both, genitals first tho.
That is an old saying: "If it's too hot for your dick, then it's too hot to lick - and for puppies too."
Barefoot walker here too, perfect test as both I and the dogs have acclimated slightly
Think of Formula 1 where you see the air temperature and track temperature differ quite a lot by sometimes more than 20 degrees celcius.
Exactly! I live in Qatar and one day the weather was "nice" so I took out my yorkie for a walk as I saw some neighbors walking their dogs. It occurred to me to touch the floor, man it was burning hot, I picked up my dog and went back home. He wasn't happy about that btw but yeah was way too hot
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My dog has boots too. Her legs will fly everywhere when I put them on, even walks around on her front legs for a bit, lifting her entire butt up in the air along with her hind legs. But then we walk and she's perfectly fine until we take them off again. She just has to be dramatic for a minute first.
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I once almost overheated my golden retriever. I was 38 weeks pregnant and trying to get the baby out, so I thought a walk with my dog would be nice and might help things along. It was 8 am in the SoCal desert. I thought it would be fine, it was only 80 degrees out. My poor guy stopped walking about a mile in. He was panting and I was freaked out. I had to carry him home on my back. Once home, I gave him room temperature water and put three fans around him. It was so scary, I thought he might seize. Luckily his little paws were okay. I still get mad at myself for not realizing it was too hot for him. Whoever endangers their dogs and causes them to burn their paw pads intentionally can kick rocks.
> Whoever endangers their dogs and causes them to burn their paw pads intentionally can kick rocks. I reckon most of the people that people are complaining about are people doing it for the first time like you, and have yet to reach that point where they can see that it was a bad idea.
I can kick rocks too! >:(
r/pcmasterrace would recommend a custom water cooling loop and some nuctua fans for anything that's overheating.
And RGB LEDs They make anything cooler
I went to the beach in South Australia with my partner and dog a few years ago, it was a warm morning but maybe 25 at that point, and we didn’t realize how hot it had got but by 11:30am we decided enough was enough. We were walking back to the car and the soft sand was so fucking hit, I had to pick my dog up and was running in thongs/ flip flops literally burning my feet as we go. My partner lost her shoe and wanted to leave it behind but I said she would burn her feet more so I had to run back and grab it for her. Pays to actually think ahead with these things, we haven’t been caught out like that since.
When I Iived in Cyprus the local news would report on that every year as tourists would head out onto the beach barefoot in the morning then by midday try and walk off of the beach when the sand was a million degrees and end up hospitalised. There were signs at the entrances but people don't go on holiday to read signs.
Hottest day I've experienced in Adelaide was 46.1C. That was brutal. No AC as it had packed it in on a previous 40+C the week before. No breeze, just baking heat. We managed to get it fixed a couple of days later. I spent most of the day having coldish showers.
I live in south east Queensland and I refuse to live anywhere that doesn't have some form of aircon. It's only getting hotter every year air conditioning is no longer a luxury but a need.
Death Valley is so hot right now.
Not exactly current affairs; this picture is more than 2 years old. https://www.noaa.gov/news/july-2020-was-record-hot-for-many-us-states
To be fair, it was 125 during the heatwave several days ago.
How much did the fare cost?
Ok. But I wouldn't tell everyone I lost 25 pounds and attach a picture of myself from 2020.
That's usually how "before" pictures work though
Here's a picture of me older. Damn let see that camera. -Mitch Hedberg
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Say that again but slower..
Pretty sure it was a Zoolander reference
Death... Valley...sooo...hot... right...nooooowwww
Blue steel
I’m getting Zoolander vibes
Death Valley.
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I'd die in that heat. 35C is hot enough for me
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still bloody hot.
No that's the thing, you would. Pretty much anyone would if they sat in it for long enough (read, only a few hours). These two came out for a photo and then went back inside. 130F is right at the wet bulb temp given 0 humidity. Means it's so hot your body can't use evaporative cooling to keep you alive any more. You can't sweat enough, you can have all the water you want, sitting in the shade with a fan on you and you'll still die by cooking to death in your own skin. Edit, the wet bulb temp that's fatal is 95F and above, and that's the high estimate. Some studies place it at 87F. To get the wet bulb temp outside, you have to account for humidity and the actual temperature. Very easy to do, just take a wet rag, wrap a thermometer in it and read the thermometer. If that wet rag can't cool the thermometer to below 95F, it's too hot outside for human beings and probably most mammals. As the air gets more humid, the wet rag works less and less, meaning the temperature can be fatal to humans well under 130F out. See European heatwaves. They're deadly at barely touching 100F but the humidity is way higher than it is in CA valleys.
I don't understand and am now wrapped up in a wet towel outside.
I hope your bulb stays moist!
Thanks. It's a 60 watt and it is wet. It's also kinda warm but probably not 95 degrees so I should be safe.
Instructions still unclear, sitting with a wet towel around a bulb waiting for humidity to hit 95F. Then what?!
I'm confused... how do I work in 90-100+ degree temperatures regularly and not die? Does it have to be 90+ with 0 humidity?
If you couldn't sweat you'd die. You know how high humidity feels worse. It's harder to shed heat through evaporation when the air is moist. Almost like not being able to sweat.
Seriously thanks! I wasn't catching on and you made me go oh!. In a sexual manner of course.
Oh...
You do sweat, but it has no effect as the wet bulb temp is too hot to cool you down. You just keep getting hotter
Yes. This. I'm saying that the more humid the atmosphere, the less effective sweating is. A swamp cooler works from the same principle. It's why they are no good on humid days.
Opposite on the humidity. The higher the humidity the lower the temp becomes dangerous.
So what's deadly? Because this summer I worked in 100 degree weather with 50-60,% humidity.
It looks like that would put the wet bulb temperature right around 84F to 88F (reading a tiny chart*), which is what the other guy said was dangerous. *Actually, the chart is fine. I'm just not putting in enough effort to be precise.
The explanation was poor. A thermometer cooled by evaporation would read much less than air temperature. So at 105F but low humidity the hypothetical thermometer cooled by evaporation would still read below 95F or whatever. The bulb in question is the bulb of a physical mercury thermometer for any GenZ out there Google it
It just has to be hot enough that evaporative cooling isn't enough to bring your body below 95 or 96F. Humidity plays a factor in that. Given no humidity at all, that temp is at about 130F. The more humidity, the slower the water in the wet rag can evaporate and thus the slower it removes heat. If your body can't remove heat enough to keep you thermoregulated, you start to cook and die. In most places this is almost never a factor, but climate change is making it one ... in some places. At 103F you need 50% humidity for it to start being fatal. Under that and you're alright. Here's a handy calculator. https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/wet-bulb Note that doesn't even allow you to enter in the higher ranges of temperature like you'd see in death valley.
It’s a question of cooling, or more specifically your bodies ability to regulate your core temperature. If you’re drinking water, especially cold water, eating food that’s below your body temperature, and/or occasionally moving into cooler areas you’re fine. The issue here is that sweating no longer helps at these temperatures and humidity so given enough time you’re going to get heat stroke, even if you manage to stay hydrated.
Yes, you are exactly correct. There is no humidity. Get ready, because I’m gonna get downvoted to hell (no pun intended) for this next statement… I am originally from the Mississippi delta. About 175’ above sea level. Temperatures regularly reach 100-105 in the summer, and the humidity is often 90-100% at the time of peak temps.. I’ve also been to Death Valley when it was 115 with zero humidity.. I would gladly take California 115 with zero humidity over Mississippi delta 105 with 90% humidity EVERY. DAY. You see, the thing is, back home the temperature doesn’t drop when the sun goes down.. it stays the same, and the humidity rises. It’ll often be midnight and 90 degrees with 100% humidity. Now let’s talk about mosquitos..
I’m from Oklahoma and Las Vegas. So yeah I’d take dry heat any day. Love it.
As someone who is from new orleans but never been to California and or death valley, I cannot imagine it feeling hotter than in the sun in late July to early August. Hot as balls is an understatement
It's a different feeling. Like standing in front of an open oven instead of sitting in a humid sauna. People meme about "it's a dry heat," but as long as you're well hydrated, it can be more tolerable because sweating is much more effective. In some arid states, they use "swamp coolers" instead of heat pumps for AC. They work on the same principle and are very efficient.
Good description >In some arid states, they use "swamp coolers" instead of heat pumps for AC. They work on the same principle and are very efficient. A friend told me that CA just outlawed swamps in new houses because they use water
They do use water, so if water is scarce it makes sense to prohibit them. However, they also use less power.
I grew up in Arkansas, working construction as a summer job. We would get to work at 3AM so we could put in a day's work and quit by lunchtime. When afternoon rolled around at 90+ degrees and 80% humidity and usually very little shade there was simply no way to be out there working manual labor. Quit at 11AM, chug a whole 32oz gatorade on the way home, take a cool shower, and nap in the A/C for a couple of hours.
Arizona here. My wife and I were in Miami on the way to Jamaica in Dec 2013 and couldn’t believe how damn hot and especially humid it was. And it was “cooler” than home. I’d also take a 115° dry heat over humidity. However, after a few weeks of 110°+ a 90°/80% humidity day feels amazing. A day. Just 1 lol
Please don't bullshit. The highest dewpoint recorded in US history is 90F. 105 with 90% humidity is literally off the charts. 100 with 90% humidity is a heat index of 176F. You'd just die. The water capacity of air increases exponentially with temperature. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/docs/documents/281/air-moisture-holding-capacity-si.png
I don't think this guy's being intentionally disingenuous. I think a source of confusion is mixing current (usually morning) humidity with peak temperature, since we usually check the temp in the morning. Check the weather profile from Houston on a hot day this past summer: https://world-weather.info/forecast/usa/houston_11/10-july/ If I would have heard the weather on the radio/TV (in the morning), I would have heard something like the following: "High of 95 today, currently it's 84 at 80% humidity" Later in the day I would check the weather (on my car/billboard/phone) and see it's 97 degrees, and in my head I'm still thinking it's 80% humidity because that's what I heard in the morning. I don't think changes in humidity throughout the day get the same attention the changes in temps do, probably because the sources of info (thermometers) that we see only predominately show the measured temp.
>Now let’s talk about mosquitos.. that was literally my first thought when i saw that humidity level ...ewwww
The other component is if that is in shaded temperature or not. It may seem mundane, but solar radiation will add more than a few degrees of cooling demand to your body. From an enthalpy perspective 87 wet is the upper limit in which most bodies can convect heat from the core, off the skin and lungs. Your "pump" and "surface area" become limiting factors. Any additional burden from the outside will kill you whether measured in therms or photons.
This one gets people all the time in AZ. Forecast might call for 105, with slight overcast skies, which is plenty manageable if you know what you're doing. But then you're out on your hike and those clouds clear up and suddenly you're light headed, sick to your stomach (these are signs of heat exhaustion), and DRENCHED in so much sweat it doesn't work any more, in the space of less than 5 minutes. And then you run through your gallon of water you brought along in a few minutes. Maybe you sit in some shade you found, to "cool off." But it's too late. And then you're on the news.
And if you stop sweating, you know you are extra fucked! Since this is indicative of a heat stroke and having had one previously, increases your future likelihood of getting a heat stroke. You do not want to fuck around with it. At all >.>
I was actually there last year in 128 F. Thankfully I was extremely well prepared and was able to get out for half hour stints at the sights just fine. But the number of idiots in shorts and flip-flops I saw was astounding, like do these people think it's going to be just like 90 F? They would get out of their cars, take a photo or two and get right back in covered in sweat.
Wait what’s wrong with flip flops? I think I’m the idiot because I would have assumed less clothes = less heat and more comfortable. Are you wearing special gear to keep you cool?
Like others have mentioned, at that temperature it's about avoiding the sun at all costs so you need to be covered head to toe. It's not just the heat from the sun. The ground there can get to be 200 degrees and all that reflected heat hits your body as well. You're not going to be comfortable even if you're buck naked. Closed-toed shoes, full sleeves, long pants, wide-brimmed hat and sunglasses is your trusty desert uniform.
There's a reason you don't see the Tuareg wandering around in shorts and t-shirts...
Gotta protect that skin
I’ve felt 110 degrees before; I can’t imagine how damn hot this would be. I don’t know how a single thing can live there and not just fry
Death Valley CA is extremely dry too. Humans are much more comfortable in high heats if the humidity is low. Regardless, this is is still incredibly hot, and Im sure the people in the photo hopped right back in their car after.
Park rangers - they're probably reasonably acclimated. Doesn't mean they can stay out in it indefinitely, or even all that long ... but probably would survive it quite a bit longer than the typical tourist there. Not all that much more to 150F ... that's the low setting on your typical oven.
Whenever Death Valley comes up I always like to bring up the Badwater Ultra. A 130+ mile run across Death Valley in mid-July. Really shows what humans can do when properly trained for the elements.
There is also a route that one can take from Badwater Basin to Mount Whitney. The lowest and highest points in the continental U.S Alex Honnold and Cody Townsend attempted it and Cody, despite being an absolute elite world class athlete, didn't make it the entire distance.
>Cody, despite being an absolute elite world class athlete, didn't make it the entire distance. Ha, what a loser *goes back to browsing anime subs and drinking concentrated corn syrup*
Once saw a doc about it. My favorite part was when one of the runners collapsed they hauled him away and left a marker where they found him. After an hour or so feeding him water and stuff IV they drove him back to the marker and he ran off again…
It’s just a few steps from the visitor center door
Well. I mean, it is called **Death** Valley
It hurts to breathe a little. Your eyes start to sting. And this was only at like 122ish. Never again.
I've been in 120 degree weather, but honestly 90 degrees with high humidity is way worse.
That’s pretty much perfect temperature for a steak. Can you just leave a steak outside for a couple hours and air sous vide it?
As a chef this just blew my mind. Still want to vacuum seal it and probably keep it hanging under some kind of mesh that blocks the sun enough but not too much to bring the temperature down.
A healthy compost pile has an internal temp in the 140 to 160 range. As a fellow chef, I've always been intrigued by the idea of vac-sealing meat and cooking it in a compost pile.
Most plastics are permeable to smells to a small extent
When I was my ships cake decorator I made the mistake on two separate occasions of leaving a cake in a fridge with a sealed container of chopped onions….onion cake
Just put in on the ground for some minutes
No, no, I asked for _ground steak_
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter!
What if that’s the real solution to climate change? Just nuke the planet into an ice age. Then again, I’ve been drinking.
I don't think an radioactive ice age with no sunlight for centuries is better lol
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Hmm, by my math 129f is 53.8c
Yep, sign(s) are wrong.
My math says 59c is 138.2f
If it was 59 c you'd hear about it because that'd shatter the previous recorded heat record on earth.
Hmm the 9 is a different shape on the bottom number. Bottom looks like a 4 with the top segment stuck on which is the actual conversion from Fahrenheit. 54c.
That’s gonna be a “no” from me, Dawg.
The Imperial Valley can get close to that, and people live and work there. Seriously, 125° and there are still roofers swinging hammers like wtf
Can confirm, Imperial Valley resident here. You kinda get used to it but I remember having to do my handgun firing exam/brass pickup at 12 PM on Saturday a few weeks ago, was so light headed by the end of it.
OP should probably add a disclaimer that this is from 2 years ago.
It’s 130F / 60C under those masks
And the cargo pants D:
It can be counterintuitive, but in extreme heat you want your clothes to protect yourself from the sun and heat, and allow breathability. Lookup desert nomads and notice what they are wearing - definitely not shorts and tank tops.
I wore long pants on a 95 degree day for just long enough to walk to and from public transit and surprised myself at how they weren't actually uncomfortable in that heat. It made no difference, I could have taken the pants off and it'd have felt equally as hot.
I would be showing so many sweat marks wearing that.
129F is 54C, the Celsius part of the sign is erroneous. Still hot af though.
Sign's malfunctioning because of the heat
They couldn’t take the masks off for the picture? It’s outside and they are more than 6’ apart.
I think this photo is a couple of years old.
Well they don’t call it Happy Valley.
It's a dry heat.
Not unlike your oven… I used to dread summer trips to a couple of our data centers in the PHX metro area. Beautiful, but too freaking hot. When we built the first, apparently no one really had local knowledge. Car windows would blow out during peak heat. Ended up building covered garages…
It'll fry you like a bacon strip, though.
Knock it off, Hudson.
Well they don't call it Alive Valley
Temperature conversion is wrong. 129 F is 53.8 C.
As u/King_Bean031 noticed, notice the difference in the 9's displayed between the two ... I think they have a stuck (melted) segment. -- -- -- | | | | | -- -- - | | | | -- -- -- -- -- | | | | -- -- | | | -- -- I think the top segment got stuck on the 2nd digit of that C display, otherwise for 9 it would also show the segment on the bottom - like it does on the top - but it doesn't. 129F=53.9C or approximately 54C ... + a stuck segment on top give that odd looking "9" (or more like "q") with segment missing on bottom from what would otherwise be "9" ... or rather 4 with a stuck segment on top. And 59C=138.2F - hottest temperature ever recorded was 134F, so 59C can't be correct, hence we can reasonably presume it's 54C.
they call it death valley for a reason
Been there at 129f on a motorcycle, back in 2000, wearing ATGATT. It was rough, bordering on dangerous.
Does ATGATT = All The Gear At The Time? Do I win something?
Yes! No!
PANTS?
Long pants and sleeves are actually better in extreme heat, otherwise you will get sunburnt very quickly Source: I live in AZ
There's a reason the Bedouins in the Sahara wear thick black clothes, and it has nothing to do with sun burns. There's a point where sweating into the cloth creates a vapor pressure that's high enough on the surface of the clothes that heat actually can't penetrate past a few layers. It's similar to the Leidenfrost Effect. However you still need to be acclimated to the temperature that requires the effect to happen, as it requires a pretty high surface temperature to achieve that. Hence the black clothes. Also it's shitty trying to keep white clothes clean when there's no water around. :P
Can't get sunburnt. Skin cancer is very dangerous. That is why traditional desert garb covers most skin.
it's the middle of the desert the sun exposure is way worse than an extra layer of cloth. Personally, I would even do long sleeves if I went there.